1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,000 Caitlin Van Mol: Hey, everyone, just want to quickly announce up 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,940 top that I have a new Patreon page at patreon.com/lived to 3 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:12,960 tell for $2 a month, you get ad free episodes and access to a 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,380 private community. For $4 a month, you get all of that, plus 5 00:00:16,380 --> 00:00:20,960 extended video of my guests and a newsletter. Everyone loves a 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,220 newsletter, and for six hours a month, you get all that plus, 7 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:30,380 plus, plus a bonus episode, a whole extra episode, just for $6 8 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:36,140 a month, please subscribe. Thanks. This episode contains 9 00:00:36,140 --> 00:00:40,100 descriptions of domestic violence. If you or someone you 10 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:43,840 know needs help. You can call the National Domestic Violence 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:54,220 Hotline at 807 99 safe or 800-799-7233 or visit the 12 00:00:54,220 --> 00:01:00,692 hotline.org there's also some salty language in this episode, 13 00:01:00,692 --> 00:01:02,612 so take care while listening. 14 00:01:04,472 --> 00:01:09,212 Christy: I'm really competitive, really competitive, and it was 15 00:01:09,212 --> 00:01:12,212 one of those things that people told me I couldn't do. If you 16 00:01:12,212 --> 00:01:17,312 tell me I can't do something, this is like telling me to go do 17 00:01:17,312 --> 00:01:19,112 it twice because I'm going to 18 00:01:20,132 --> 00:01:23,660 Caitlin Van Mol: Christy Martin grew up in a very small town, 19 00:01:23,780 --> 00:01:28,220 Mullins, West Virginia, in a coal mining family. Her dad was 20 00:01:28,220 --> 00:01:32,300 a miner, her uncles were miners, and her brother was a miner. 21 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,920 Christie was studying to be a teacher in college, but when she 22 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:43,000 entered and won a tough man boxing competition. In 1987 she 23 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,600 was hooked. She fought when she could in her area, and in 1990 a 24 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,080 promoter wanted her to work with a trainer in Tennessee. 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,440 Christy: I thought, What the heck I'm about to graduate from 26 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,680 college. I'll go down there and cut up for six months then come 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,140 back and get a job and for life, it was really just, I'm gonna 28 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:07,740 just have fun and relax before I have to start my life. You know, 29 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:08,880 apart from being a grown 30 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,300 Caitlin Van Mol: up, yeah, yeah. I don't know if boxing is my 31 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,060 idea of relaxing, but, well, 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,480 Christy: yeah, you know, I never thought of it. It was gonna be 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,340 my career, because I had never seen any other female fighter do 34 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:26,360 it, and, you know, walk into the gym and it was clear that he did 35 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,400 not want to train a female fighter. 36 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,020 Caitlin Van Mol: The trainer, Jim Martin, was against women in 37 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:37,880 boxing, but saw Christie's raw talent and agreed to train her. 38 00:02:38,780 --> 00:02:42,400 Christie moved to Bristol, Tennessee, and she didn't know 39 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,080 anyone but Jim. He didn't seem to have any friends, either. So 40 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,020 they started having dinner together at the end of training 41 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:52,420 every day, just to have some company. 42 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,360 Christy: And it was kind of how sometimes, you know, when you 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:01,680 get, like, enamored by that coach or that teacher or that 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,040 somebody that, wow, they have all this knowledge that I want, 45 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:08,580 I want to soak up all that knowledge. And it was a little 46 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:10,560 like that. It just happened, 47 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:12,960 Caitlin Van Mol: their relationship went from 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:19,560 professional to romantic, but, like, barely romantic, and it 49 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,980 certainly was not a healthy relationship. 50 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:27,020 Christy: Yeah, well, so this is a little bit how crazy this 51 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:30,320 whole situation and relationship was. He actually told me, before 52 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,980 I married him, that if ever I left, he would kill me. I'm 21 53 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,860 years old. 22 years old. I, you know, laugh, yeah, 54 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:42,939 Caitlin Van Mol: jokes were different back then, 55 00:03:44,139 --> 00:03:48,639 Christy: but, but as time went on, and I've often thought like, 56 00:03:48,819 --> 00:03:54,219 when was that moment where I knew he was going to there 57 00:03:54,219 --> 00:03:55,419 wasn't a joke anymore, 58 00:03:56,979 --> 00:04:00,719 Caitlin Van Mol: this is live to tell the podcast where I talk to 59 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,559 some of the bravest people who have been through the most 60 00:04:04,559 --> 00:04:10,439 horrifying things and lived to tell the tale. I'm Caitlin van 61 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:18,539 mol. Other than the threats, there were several other hurdles 62 00:04:18,539 --> 00:04:24,679 for this to be a love story. First, Jim was 25 years older 63 00:04:24,679 --> 00:04:29,899 than Christie, older even than her dad. Second, and probably a 64 00:04:29,899 --> 00:04:32,659 bigger hurdle, Christie was gay. 65 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,420 Christy: In my mind, it wasn't like I was married to Jim 66 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:40,780 Martin. I was married to boxing, and that's what I did. You know, 67 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:48,520 we do boxing all the time, yeah, and it was okay, well, my focus 68 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:54,460 on boxing and just get better and work harder and try to be 69 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,200 successful with that. And and it made it like had an escape, I 70 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,340 guess. Even though he was controlling everything, it was 71 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:06,000 still okay. This is what I'm gonna do. 72 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:11,520 Caitlin Van Mol: Christy and Jim got engaged in 1992 as part of 73 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,080 his proposal, he told her that her family would disown her if 74 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,300 they found out she was gay, which they already knew but they 75 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:24,980 didn't know. No, you know, it was just unspoken of in their 76 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:29,420 family. Jim and Christy were married the day after this 77 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:36,140 proposal. I know you were encouraged by your mom to be 78 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,320 with him. How did you take that? Because you were enamored with 79 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,580 his, like, knowledge of boxing, but he was also, you know, 25 80 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,420 years older than 81 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:49,540 Christy: you than my dad. Yeah, he's older than my dad. 82 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,640 Caitlin Van Mol: But was that weird to have your mom be like, 83 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,240 be with this guy instead of just be with a guy? I 84 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,120 Christy: think it would have been any guy. It just happened 85 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,360 to be Jim at that time, and so she pushed forward to be Jim. 86 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:10,440 And it could have been any mol, I think, but Jim, also, he was, 87 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,860 you know, he was such a narcissist, and, and he played 88 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:17,640 my mother, they played each other. They they would join 89 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:23,000 forces to to work against me, and, and it worked for both of 90 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,520 them. Did not work so well for me, but it worked for both 91 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,340 Caitlin Van Mol: of them. Was that tough to have your mom kind 92 00:06:28,340 --> 00:06:29,720 of conspire against you, like that? 93 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:36,140 Christy: I Yes. And you know, my mom just passed in February. I 94 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:39,380 know I'm sorry she had cancer, and so, you know, we knew it was 95 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,780 inevitable, but like, I try really, really hard to, I don't 96 00:06:43,780 --> 00:06:46,600 know if you could say, make things right, patch things up, 97 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:53,740 you know something? Yeah, no, it never happened. I'm sorry. And 98 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:56,260 it's hard. You know, as far as it's tough when somebody's gone, 99 00:06:56,260 --> 00:07:00,900 then you're like, we can't try anymore. You can't fix it. But I 100 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:05,160 try to remind myself that, you know, it did put a fourth in 101 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:05,460 effort. 102 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Caitlin Van Mol: The Economics of being a boxer just starting 103 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,360 out aren't great. Most boxers at Christie's level had jobs to 104 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,740 support themselves and trained when they weren't at work. But 105 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,220 Jim wouldn't let Christy have a job. 106 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,140 Christy: There was plenty of time to at least work a part 107 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:31,040 time job or something, just so you have some money coming in. 108 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:35,420 Caitlin Van Mol: Why do you why was he so opposed? I think he 109 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:39,500 Christy: didn't want anyone else to talk to me and that maybe 110 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:45,400 they would say, this isn't this. This guy's crazy. This what 111 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:51,640 situation you're in isn't right? Yeah, and he never had a job. He 112 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 never had a job first, when we were first together, he 113 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,780 basically was just taking money from my dad. My dad's a coal 114 00:07:58,780 --> 00:08:02,700 mine, a hard working man. Thank God I made enough money to pay 115 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,580 it back to boil, but I did. I couldn't pay it 116 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:08,700 Caitlin Van Mol: back. He wouldn't let Christy have a job, 117 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:13,200 but he would set up fights for her, just not the kind you'd 118 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,640 think. He told Kristy. He arranged for her to spar with 119 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,700 some men, but instead of going to a boxing gym. He took her to 120 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:27,140 their hotel rooms. She knew these quote, unquote sparring 121 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:30,500 sessions weren't about boxing. It 122 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:34,220 Christy: was like being a prostitute. That's how I felt. I 123 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:38,420 think it was acceptable to Jim, because Jim, like, was a sexual 124 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:44,620 deviant. And so not only is this guy getting some kind of whacked 125 00:08:44,620 --> 00:08:50,440 out sexual fantasy pleasure, I'm not sure the gym was in the 126 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:50,740 world. 127 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,080 Caitlin Van Mol: How many times did that happen? 128 00:08:55,059 --> 00:08:56,799 Christy: Maybe like five or six times. 129 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:02,159 Caitlin Van Mol: But things started to pick up for Christie 130 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:06,179 in the actual boxing ring, and through the early 90s, 131 00:09:06,239 --> 00:09:11,759 Christie's star was on the rise. She went undefeated from 1990 to 132 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:17,519 1998 and was the first woman to sign with the legendary boxing 133 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:22,699 promoter Dawn King. King put her on the undercard of Mike Tyson 134 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:27,919 versus Frank Bruno in 1996 the undercard fights are kind of 135 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:32,719 like the openers of a concert. Christie fought Deirdre gogarty, 136 00:09:32,899 --> 00:09:37,519 who broke Christie's nose in the second round. Christie continued 137 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:42,579 the fight with blood streaming down her face. Their performance 138 00:09:42,579 --> 00:09:46,539 during this fight is credited as a turning point in legitimizing 139 00:09:46,539 --> 00:09:51,099 women's boxing. But this success did make Christie and Jim's 140 00:09:51,099 --> 00:09:52,539 relationship better. 141 00:09:53,620 --> 00:09:58,660 Christy: Jim was nice when we were in front of people. Jim was 142 00:09:58,660 --> 00:10:04,260 nice when. When it benefited Jim, but when it was just the 143 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:10,620 two of us, he would most of the time be telling me how whatever 144 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:13,860 possibly happened. It wasn't because of me or my work. It was 145 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:17,400 because of what he had done, or it really wasn't, you know, he 146 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,740 told somebody to say that. They really weren't gonna say, you 147 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:26,960 know, they liked my shoes, you know, some stupid but he was 148 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,220 all, I told him to say that, 149 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:30,380 Caitlin Van Mol: were there any happy times? 150 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,900 Christy: I mean, you won a big fight, all the team's happy, 151 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:42,760 everybody's high fiving. And good job that was happy. Was 152 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,600 there ever like, happy? Because I'm married to this man? 153 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:51,460 Probably not. Yeah. I mean, it was always like, this probably 154 00:10:51,460 --> 00:10:52,660 wasn't a good decision. 155 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,240 Caitlin Van Mol: And other threats of murder aside, did you 156 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,740 think you could do it without him 157 00:11:00,580 --> 00:11:05,460 Christy: after a while, and after signing with Don King and 158 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:11,100 fighting on those Tyson cards and really learning how to box, 159 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,700 I would often ask him, Can we get me another trainer? Because 160 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,180 I want to, you know, he got me to this level, but I wanted to 161 00:11:18,180 --> 00:11:23,180 get to this level, and that would set him off. I think I 162 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:25,640 could have done it without him, but I needed him to teach me 163 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:29,180 what he had taught me, but to continue to grow. I needed not 164 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:32,000 they couldn't know about myself. I needed someone else. I needed 165 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,420 another coach just to teach me more about conditioning, about 166 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:41,860 mental relaxation in the ring, just all the bigger things that 167 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:44,800 you have to you learn through experience, but if somebody can 168 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,800 teach you a little bit or talk to you about it beforehand, it 169 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:48,940 certainly would help. 170 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah, just more variety of skills for you to use 171 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:59,080 that Jim didn't know. But that would mean giving up some 172 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,780 control over Christie's career, and that would not fly with Jim. 173 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:09,540 How much control over your life did you have while you were 174 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:09,960 married? 175 00:12:10,620 --> 00:12:16,680 Christy: I mean, he told me what to wear, who to talk to, what to 176 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,240 eat. There was really nothing that I made a choice on my own. 177 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,060 Caitlin Van Mol: Did Jim ever sabotage your career, whether 178 00:12:23,060 --> 00:12:24,860 intentionally or unintentionally? 179 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,540 Christy: I wonder about that a lot, because after my contract 180 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:32,840 with Don King was over, and I took some fights, and I clearly 181 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,820 won and and I got losses. I mean, I won the fight, there's 182 00:12:37,820 --> 00:12:42,640 no question. I went and fought in Boise, Idaho, and I clearly 183 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,720 won the fight, and they gave to a girl, and one of like, one of 184 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,720 the judges, it was a 10 round fight, and one of the judges had 185 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,960 seven rounds. Even you can't have seven rounds. Even you 186 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,120 don't even supposed to have an even round, but you do 187 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:01,260 sometimes, but seven so I did often wonder, yeah, how those 188 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,160 those things happen 189 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Caitlin Van Mol: at the end. What was your guess? 190 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,540 Christy: I think as long as I was boxing, he had control of 191 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:15,060 me, but and if I would lose, then that would make him think 192 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,240 that I would think I needed him more. I needed him to train me 193 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,620 harder. I needed to work harder. 194 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,900 Caitlin Van Mol: Did you ever try to really leave him 195 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:28,580 Christy: in my mind? You know? I would go through my mind and 196 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:32,240 say, okay, my birthday is coming up. For my birthday present, I'm 197 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,540 gonna leave him, you know. And then it's so my birthday is in 198 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:38,540 June. June would come and go, and I would be there. And then 199 00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:42,220 it'll be like, okay, Christmas is coming. I'm gonna leave him. 200 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,420 Christmas will come and go. 201 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,820 Caitlin Van Mol: Christie had some bad losses in the mid 2000s 202 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,760 and she was approaching 40. She was still training, but the big 203 00:13:54,760 --> 00:14:00,420 fight offers just weren't coming in. Then one day, Jim brought 204 00:14:00,420 --> 00:14:02,400 home a bag of cocaine 205 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,300 Christy: at that that time, you know, in my mind, I was, I was 206 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:10,200 done with boxing. And so if I'm done with boxing, he knows I'm 207 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,060 gonna leave. It's just, you know, matter of time, yeah, and 208 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:21,320 so then that's when cocaine came in to play. He helped me get 209 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:25,400 addicted to cocaine. He said he was my supplier. I mean, clearly 210 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:29,840 I was the one that bent over and did line after line. He made it 211 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,440 easy though. Well, I mean, when I first started with a coke I 212 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,560 was going to, I was still training, and I would just use 213 00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:41,680 on, like, Saturday and Sunday, and then it was Saturday, 214 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Sunday, Monday, then it was this, every day, 24/7 up for 215 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,600 days, and that was his biggest way to control me, because at 216 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,500 this point my boxing career was over, so he had lost control. 217 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,540 Now he needed to introduce something else. And. Some other 218 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:05,700 way to get control and keep control, and he did that through 219 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:06,420 the cocaine 220 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,620 Caitlin Van Mol: Jim not only controlled her supply, but 221 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:13,860 Christie found out he had planted cameras around their 222 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:23,000 house. Did the surveillance stuff start as he felt he was 223 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,320 losing control, because your boxing career was declining, or 224 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,720 was that kind of an always thing? 225 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Christy: I honestly don't know. I think it was kind of toward 226 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,500 the end when I discovered 227 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,140 Caitlin Van Mol: this. Yeah, how did, how did you find out 228 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:42,340 Christy: some crazy stuff kept happening. I, you know, would 229 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:47,920 have a conversation in the house when it would be just me, and he 230 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,560 would know something that I said. And then sometimes, you 231 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,880 know, maybe some conversation I would have, or I talked to 232 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,440 somebody on the phone, and then he would make reference to it. 233 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,520 You know, there were too many things happening that that made 234 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,960 me, whoa, something's not right. Then I found the camera, and I 235 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,180 was like, you gotta be, you know, you gotta be shooting me. 236 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,720 I can't, you know, can't believe this. And I don't know why I 237 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,560 couldn't believe it. 238 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:19,980 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah, did you confront him about it? Oh, yeah, 239 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:21,140 what did he say? 240 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:25,220 Christy: He he doesn't know. It wasn't that. It wasn't true. Oh, 241 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:26,960 my, it's right. Here I have it. You 242 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,200 Caitlin Van Mol: know, who else's camera is this? Right? I 243 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,700 didn't put this here, right, right? And you just didn't. 244 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,500 Christy: I don't know. I don't know how I got there. Okay? So 245 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:39,560 that you know, sometimes it's like, I know the truth and you 246 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,040 know the truth. So really, what are we going to sit here and 247 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:42,940 argue about? 248 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:46,060 Caitlin Van Mol: Like, if you can't even come through this 249 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,280 conversation in a re in reality, then I just don't know how to 250 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:51,880 engage with 251 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:57,340 Christy: you. And he, I think he lied so much that he not only 252 00:16:57,340 --> 00:17:00,960 convinced himself that the lies that he told were true, but he 253 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,460 forgot what was true, because he just would lie. 254 00:17:06,719 --> 00:17:10,259 Caitlin Van Mol: After about four years of using cocaine just 255 00:17:10,259 --> 00:17:14,939 about every day, in late November of 2010 Christie 256 00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:20,239 decided she was just done, done with cocaine, and most 257 00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:22,579 importantly, done with Jim. 258 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:27,080 Christy: I walked through the house, I saw myself, and this 259 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,580 isn't who you are. So it took me a couple days, but I told him, 260 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:36,020 I'm leaving. He said, and if you leave me, I'll kill you. And I 261 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:39,320 said, look them straight in his eyes. And said, Do what you have 262 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,620 to do, Jim. And at that point I know he was gonna kill me, I 263 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:47,140 drove away knowing that he was gonna kill me. 264 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,940 Caitlin Van Mol: And why at that point was that not troubling? 265 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,220 Christy: What are you gonna do? I mean, what are you gonna do 266 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:57,820 this? This is, this is what is tough, because obviously I'm not 267 00:17:57,820 --> 00:18:01,080 gonna tell someone else. This is how they should handle any 268 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,920 situation they need to go immediately and find somebody to 269 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,540 take care of them, find them, find safety. I need this. I'm so 270 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:14,100 much like so many other victims. You know, you don't know who's 271 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,580 no one can believe you, because they can't understand what is 272 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:21,620 happening to you. If you're unless you're getting the crap 273 00:18:21,620 --> 00:18:24,080 beat out of you, and you can go show Bruce. Look, if he would 274 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,720 beat me up, and I could have gone to my dad and said, Look, 275 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,720 this is what he's doing to me. None of this would have 276 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,080 happened, 277 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,460 Caitlin Van Mol: yeah, but it's just like 1000 little things, 278 00:18:34,460 --> 00:18:39,920 Christy: and you can't explain emotional to someone that has 279 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:45,880 never had it or seen it, you can't explain that. So So I 280 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,440 left, and then I actually went and met Sherry. 281 00:18:50,860 --> 00:18:52,480 Caitlin Van Mol: Sherry was Christie's high school 282 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,920 girlfriend. They had recently reconnected over Facebook and 283 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,660 decided to meet in St Augustine, Florida, where Sherry was 284 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:02,040 already visiting friends, 285 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,160 Christy: spent the night with her, and I, you know, I told her 286 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,380 everything, because I really knew it was going to kill me. So 287 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:11,100 I might, I want somebody to know my story. 288 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,700 Caitlin Van Mol: But he had followed you. He had followed 289 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:18,000 Christy: me. He had called my phone. He had said he was so 290 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,180 close he could touch me. And of course, I didn't, you know, I 291 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:23,300 didn't know it was follow me. You know, he wanted me to know 292 00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:27,680 that he was watching me. He was gonna, he was gonna kill me. 293 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,080 Then I actually went back, and everything was, you know, I was 294 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,760 in the house. He was in the house. 295 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:38,840 Caitlin Van Mol: So she had gone back to the house, and Jim 296 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,180 hadn't done anything to her. She left again for a commentating 297 00:19:43,180 --> 00:19:48,700 gig, and while she was away, Jim called Christie's mom, outing 298 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:54,340 her as gay, and sent her private photos of Christie. Meanwhile, 299 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,720 during her drive home, Christie called a couple people in her 300 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,640 life to say goodbye. Okay, that's how sure she was about 301 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,020 her inevitable murder. 302 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,500 Christy: Well, I told Sherry I was, I have this terrible 303 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:11,100 headache, but I have to go back. She said, memorize my phone 304 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:11,940 number before you go 305 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:13,740 Caitlin Van Mol: back. Why did you have to go back? I 306 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:20,220 Christy: wasn't gonna run the rest of my life. And I go in. 307 00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:23,540 You know he's he's still there. He's actually still been at the 308 00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:26,240 gym. He said I had somebody else taking care of the gym tonight. 309 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,300 Okay, I'm gonna go lay down. My head's killing me, my stomach's 310 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,820 hurting. I'm gonna lay down for just a little bit, and I'm gonna 311 00:20:31,820 --> 00:20:34,220 go to the gym and work out. I'm getting back in shape. I'm on a 312 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:34,640 fight. 313 00:20:35,780 --> 00:20:38,300 Caitlin Van Mol: Yes, she did say earlier her boxing career 314 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:42,220 was over, but she was getting clean from the Coke, and she was 315 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:46,180 leaving Jim, it was a whole new leaf turning, and that meant 316 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,300 maybe her career wasn't as done as she thought. 317 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:55,000 Christy: So he came into the room and said he had something 318 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,840 to show me, and I thought he had a boxing contract, because this 319 00:20:59,020 --> 00:21:01,440 is what we had been talking about, that I need to get back 320 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,620 in the ring, whatever. What he had to show me was a knife, and 321 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:12,600 he stabbed me repeatedly, puncturing my lung, cut my calf 322 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,400 muscle almost from my leg. And then we get on the floor, and he 323 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,620 starts beating my head against the dresser. And it was like, 324 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:24,320 boom, that's when the switch split. And I was like, 325 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:29,420 motherfucker, you cannot kill me. And I meant it. I mean I 326 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:33,080 meant it. He couldn't kill me. He stopped beating me. He had 327 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,980 cut his own hand when he was stabbing me, and he went to take 328 00:21:36,980 --> 00:21:39,980 care of his own wound and left me laying there. 329 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,900 Caitlin Van Mol: She begged him to get her help. My 330 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:47,620 Christy: lung was gurgling, and I'm like, don't let me die. Give 331 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:50,320 me help. And I tried everything. You know, I'm like, but my mom 332 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,680 and dad had a stillborn child, so they've already lost one 333 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,300 child, please, you know, don't put them through it. I tried 334 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,160 everything. Pleaded in every way. 335 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:03,300 Caitlin Van Mol: Is he saying anything back? He's 336 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,420 Christy: just looking at me, and he walks in and out, in and out. 337 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,600 Finally, you know, he came. He stood at my feet. 338 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,620 Caitlin Van Mol: He now had Christie's pink revolver in his 339 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:14,100 hand. 340 00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:19,200 Christy: I guess I wasn't dying. So he stood at my feet with my 341 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:23,240 my gun, and I told him, You don't have the balls to shoot 342 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:30,740 me. And he shot me. Missed my heart by three inches, and he 343 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,620 wiped off the gun, he wiped off the knife, he put everything 344 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:38,600 beside me, and went and got in the shower. When he got in the 345 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,760 shower, I'm like my eyes to God's eyes. I say I were looking 346 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,220 through this little register in the ceiling and say, God, please 347 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,200 let me get out. Let me get out of here. And it was immediately 348 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,740 they heard the shower water turn on, and I knew it's my time. 349 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,000 This 350 00:22:57,999 --> 00:23:00,059 Caitlin Van Mol: was her opportunity to get out of the 351 00:23:00,059 --> 00:23:01,799 house and get some help. 352 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,960 Christy: Every time I would raise up, blood would squirt out 353 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,300 of all these holes. And so it was scared me. I would lay back 354 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:10,380 down. But this time, I took a t shirt, and I was pressing on the 355 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,260 on the gunshot wound, which was actually shot me through the 356 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:17,520 same one of the same stab wounds. And I picked up the gun 357 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,800 and I picked up my car keys go out the front door and get to 358 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,300 the car had their own keys. Oh, shit. What am I gonna do? So I 359 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:30,380 went to the middle of the road, and first car goes by me on the 360 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:35,060 hill. Can this guy go by me? The next car might know where 361 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:40,040 they're letting them buy he was my angel, Rick Cole, and he 362 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,180 picked me up. I gave him the handed in the gun, and just 363 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:46,480 said, Please don't let me die. He took me to the Apopka 364 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,800 hospital, and I would tell him, I'm sorry, sir, I'm bleeding all 365 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,620 over the back of your car. Actually, I just talked to him 366 00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:56,020 recently. He's like, Yeah, I traded that car after that there 367 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:57,280 was blood all over the backseat. 368 00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:01,560 Caitlin Van Mol: How do you sell a bloody car? Yeah, 369 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,180 Christy: so I get to the hospital, and I'm begging them, 370 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:09,300 you know, don't let me die. Don't let me die. They actually 371 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:12,120 life flighted me down to Orlando, to the trauma trauma 372 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,760 hospital, and, you know, stitched me up, put me back 373 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:21,020 together. He sat me four times to start with, and then he had 374 00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:25,520 pistol whipped me. So my ear, I guess that was during the pistol 375 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,240 whipping part. My ear was actually ripped off. My ripped 376 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,440 from my head that stitched that back on. I had cuts on my face, 377 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,160 and this they had stitched me different places on my 378 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,080 shoulders, and then he cut my calf muscle, which was just it 379 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,340 looked like it was gonna fall off, and they put it all back 380 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:48,580 together. The doctor was afraid I wasn't gonna be able to walk. 381 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,940 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah. How did you walk out from the house? 382 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,160 Christy: I did. I think God carried me. 383 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Caitlin Van Mol: Was it the cut from the top down or from the 384 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,080 bottom up? 385 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,559 Christy: I. He cut from the top down, 386 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,240 Caitlin Van Mol: yeah, and it was just kind of like flopping 387 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,720 away, 388 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:10,920 Christy: barely hanging on. I mean, really, literally, barely 389 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,280 hanging on the whole thing. You know, he had a sharp knife. 390 00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:16,920 While I was laying down, I could hear him sharpen that knife, but 391 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:20,840 he did that often, so I didn't think anything about it. But the 392 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,960 good thing was, you stayed with someone with a sharp knife. It 393 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,260 doesn't really hurt. Had it been dull, it would have probably 394 00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:28,280 been much more painful. 395 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,780 Caitlin Van Mol: That's the positive. We'll be right back. 396 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,840 So while you're in the hospital, who is there for you. 397 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,700 Christy: Well, Sherry. Sherry was there my mom, my mom and dad 398 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,800 and my brother and my sister in law came down. 399 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:50,740 Caitlin Van Mol: Who was the one to tell your parents what 400 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:51,160 happened? 401 00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:56,800 Christy: I called there from the hospital, but I don't know if I 402 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,160 called before they some people, I guess ESPN and ABC News. I 403 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,200 mean, it went out pretty fast. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know some of my 404 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,260 friends were like, Oh, shit. You know, people were trying to call 405 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:12,720 me. Of course, the police. Have my phone ever seen that on 406 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,560 national news? 407 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:18,480 Caitlin Van Mol: A huge part of the news about your attack was 408 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,460 she left him for another woman and something you had been 409 00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:28,400 hiding your whole life was now out there. How did that feel? 410 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,580 Well, 411 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,660 Unknown: it didn't have to, I, I didn't have to, like, creep out, 412 00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:33,620 you know. 413 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,180 Christy: So, you know, I didn't have to tell people gradually, 414 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,620 one on one, everybody knew. So that was a positive. 415 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:45,760 Caitlin Van Mol: Less work for you absolutely, 416 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,920 Christy: you know, I just, I said, from the hospital, you 417 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,600 know what? At this point, people can get on the on the train or 418 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,920 off. It doesn't matter. Just mattered less. This is who I am, 419 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,340 like me or not, doesn't really matter. 420 00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:04,920 Caitlin Van Mol: Was there? What was the reaction from like, the 421 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,180 boxing community? 422 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080 Christy: It's so funny because your man convinced me that the 423 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,200 boxing community would would turn their back and would hate 424 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,680 me, and it's been absolutely the opposite. I'm still in the 425 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,840 boxing world, if they had turned their back on me, I would have 426 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,260 been gone. 427 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,020 Caitlin Van Mol: How? I mean, I guess, how throughout your 428 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:30,440 career, How nervous were you about that secret coming out? 429 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:35,240 Christy: I would tell him often that, you know, he wanted me to 430 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,660 say really negative, nasty things to opponents that were 431 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:42,040 gay. I would tell him, somebody's gonna come from my 432 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:49,060 past, and this isn't smart, this isn't a smart approach. But he 433 00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:54,280 would insist that I say pretty nasty things, and if I didn't, 434 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:56,920 then you know what? People don't understand. They could be pissed 435 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,780 off that I said these things, but you choose your battles. Do 436 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:04,200 I want to just say this battle with this person for a minute? 437 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:08,040 Or do you want to go back and have to listen to him? Beat me 438 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040 down, beat me down. Beat me down. And I want to get ready 439 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,220 for the fight. I don't want to go argue with him because I 440 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:20,540 didn't call this person a die. Is I just again? You pick or 441 00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:21,320 choose your battles. 442 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,020 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah, do you regret anything you said? 443 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,820 Christy: Yeah, of course, I'm not really a nasty person. Yeah, 444 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080 I love shit talk though. I mean, I love the whole press 445 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,400 conference banter back and forth. But, you know, someone's 446 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,980 sexuality was simply, is really off limits. You know, you know 447 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,080 some things you don't talk about. 448 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:49,300 Caitlin Van Mol: After a six day search, Jim Martin was found in 449 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:53,860 a neighbor's shed and arrested. When did you find out that he 450 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:54,520 was arrested? 451 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,420 Christy: I was in the hospital and saw it on the news. I think 452 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,220 either we saw, I don't remember if the police came and told us, 453 00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:03,360 or if we saw it on the news? 454 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:06,540 Caitlin Van Mol: Remember, too much information is being shared 455 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:11,880 with you via the news, yeah, instead of from an officer of 456 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,420 some kind? 457 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,300 Christy: Yeah, and he could have, I can't, I don't, I just 458 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:15,540 don't. 459 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:18,120 Caitlin Van Mol: Remember, before you knew he was caught, 460 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,320 were you afraid at all that he would try to hurt you. 461 00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:25,160 Christy: So they had me in a locked in on unit at the 462 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,580 hospital where no one could get to me. So that made me feel 463 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:34,160 comfortable, but I felt also that he might try something this 464 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,940 could never tell. 465 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:38,600 Caitlin Van Mol: While she was in the hospital, Christie found 466 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,700 out her home was being foreclosed on. This was shocking 467 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,420 to her, because, to her knowledge, the house was paid 468 00:29:46,420 --> 00:29:47,020 off. 469 00:29:47,980 --> 00:29:51,820 Christy: He basically scammed or schemed. I don't know which we 470 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:55,540 should say, one of my friends that worked at the bank and 471 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,140 mortgaged a house that was paid for, I always would say to him, 472 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:03,960 Look. I can work at Walmart and pay my utilities. My house was 473 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,520 paid for. I don't have to worry. But didn't work out like that. 474 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:13,500 Well, the good thing is, my dad got here and they got 475 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:14,940 everything, all my stuff out. 476 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,120 Caitlin Van Mol: Did you ever ask to see any of like the 477 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400 financial stuff at all? 478 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:24,620 Christy: Well, the crazy thing was, like, I did most of the 479 00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:28,100 financial stuff, but he was doing backdoor deals with 480 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:32,420 everybody, until the end, when cocaine was crazy. I mean, I was 481 00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:38,180 doing was coke 24/7 you know, I didn't, every 10s of 1000s of 482 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:42,760 dollars go places and I didn't see it, but I think part of that 483 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,820 was, like backdoor stuff. Was money he was getting that I 484 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:50,440 didn't know anything about what like, what like. I think, you 485 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,220 know, I made X amount of dollars for my fights, and then he got a 486 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:58,180 side deal from, you know, whoever was the promoter at the 487 00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:05,760 time, I would go to different places to make appearances, and 488 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,100 I would get x, and he would get y, and I never knew about y, and 489 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,580 I argued with him all the time about, you know, investing the 490 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:19,020 money at that particular time, buying houses anytime is good to 491 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:23,180 buy real Estate. But at that time, stuff was cheap and and it 492 00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:27,800 was always he would go buy a new car, new motorcycle, a new 493 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,000 Rolex. Was 494 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,100 Caitlin Van Mol: it? Did you guys ever work out? I mean, I'm 495 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,940 assuming not, but like, work out an arrangement of, like, if my 496 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,320 purse is this much, then you get this much, or was it just all, 497 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,400 What's mine is yours? 498 00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:45,700 Christy: So I tried that, I tried that, and His thing was, 499 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:50,260 okay, fine. I'll take my 30% and then I'll still have half of 500 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:53,800 what you have because I'm your husband. I like, Okay, so that's 501 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,140 not gonna work, but you don't try. I tried. I made it. I 502 00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:03,300 really, really tried. I made poor decisions because I gave in 503 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,500 to to the fights. And I should have, I should have just stood 504 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,900 my ground, but I didn't. So you know, this is where I am today, 505 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,980 Caitlin Van Mol: and it's also like you spend all this mental 506 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:19,440 energy on training that your life can't be 100% fights, so 507 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,000 something's gotta go. You can't be fighting in every which way, 508 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,440 in every aspect of your life. 509 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,960 Christy: You get to the point of, you know, you pick and 510 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,900 choose your battles. But I should have stood my ground, but 511 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:30,320 I didn't. 512 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:33,800 Caitlin Van Mol: Christie was in the hospital for over a week 513 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:38,120 when she left the hospital. Where do you think she went? 514 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,660 First? Somewhere to rest, of course not, she went to the gym. 515 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,740 Why were you so eager to go to the boxing gym right after you 516 00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:50,860 got out of the hospital, I would go to 517 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:55,420 Christy: bed because I that's just where I felt the safest. 518 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,660 That's where I wanted to be. That's where I wanted to show 519 00:32:58,660 --> 00:33:02,940 people that, no, he did not kill me. He did not win this fight, 520 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,900 and I'm going to win this fight. So I went back to the gym. I 521 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:10,380 still had, I don't even know, hundreds of stitches in my leg, 522 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440 and the bullet was still in my back, well, because it went in 523 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440 my chest, and then I was laying on the floor, so it didn't go 524 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,440 all the way through me, but you could feel it like right there, 525 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,660 yeah, under my skin, 526 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,780 Caitlin Van Mol: so you went back to the box, saying, Jim, 527 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,500 when did you become determined to fight again? Oh, from the 528 00:33:27,499 --> 00:33:31,699 Christy: hospital. I called Miguel Diaz and asked him if he 529 00:33:31,699 --> 00:33:34,279 would train me. And he's, of course, 530 00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:38,660 Caitlin Van Mol: Christie agreed to a fight against Dakota stone 531 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:46,000 for March 12, 2011, just three months after the attack. To me, 532 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:52,600 this sounds just like absolutely unfathomable, if not only for 533 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,460 the your shot, your lung collapsed, but to have your calf 534 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,920 almost sliced off, how reasonable was it actually to be 535 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:06,180 back in a professional fight in three months? 536 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,500 Christy: Probably wasn't very reasonable. When I went back to 537 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:15,720 the gym and started to spar, I my rib got broken in sparring, 538 00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:19,740 yeah, and pretty certain that that rib was broken from the gun 539 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:26,480 shop, and then when I got hit in it just like broke completely. 540 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,200 Caitlin Van Mol: Was anyone saying, This is too soon? 541 00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:34,700 Christy: Well, no, because I'm around boxing, people that are 542 00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,640 like, Oh, we can make a lot of money off you getting right back 543 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,060 in the ring. 544 00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:42,999 Caitlin Van Mol: Her broken or re broken rib. Didn't allow her 545 00:34:42,999 --> 00:34:44,259 to fight in March, 546 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:51,100 Christy: it healed, and then I fought in in June, so it was 547 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:55,540 still pretty quick, like six months after being shot. Yeah, I 548 00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:59,920 fought, and then I broke my hand in that fight, pretty severely. 549 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,240 Caitlin Van Mol: Three, there were 50 seconds to go in the 550 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:08,520 last round to give Christie her 50th win. She had dropped Dakota 551 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,380 stone in the fourth round, so she knew she was winning, but 552 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:17,280 she landed a punch that broke her hand, and the referee saw 553 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,040 her briefly turn away. He stopped the fight, which meant 554 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,480 Christie lost. 555 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080 Christy: Oh, when I when my hand was broken, that was ridiculous. 556 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,480 I mean, I told the doctor afterwards, I this is crazy. He 557 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,700 said, Yeah, but Christie, you spoke at a ringside physician 558 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:38,780 conference, like a couple years ago, and you say, we as ringside 559 00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:41,740 physicians have to protect fighters from themselves. I 560 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,880 said, Yes, motherfucker, but I wasn't talking about me. Come 561 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,540 on, man. 50 seconds from getting my 50th win, I just got shot and 562 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:51,760 stabbed, and you want to start this fight because I have a 563 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,600 broken hand? Ridiculous, ridiculous. All I had to do was 564 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,180 finish on my feet. 50 more seconds, 565 00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:02,520 Caitlin Van Mol: Christie had to have surgery on her hand, and 566 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:05,880 Christy: when they put me to sleep to fix my hand, I had a 567 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:12,240 stroke. So was like, geez. I said, God, I know you've only 568 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,780 put on us so much as we can take, but you think I'm a lot 569 00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:17,160 stronger than I am? 570 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:19,800 Caitlin Van Mol: That's my mom always had to build character. 571 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,380 Just be like, I'm all set. I'm good on character, yeah. What do 572 00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:29,120 you think caused this stroke? Was it the cocaine, just like 573 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520 wear and tear from boxing, like being 574 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,940 Christy: hit? You know, boxing blames the hospital. Hospital 575 00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:41,860 blames boxing. Was it stress? Was it cocaine? Was it punches 576 00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:45,160 behind the head. Was it? God just telling me Christie's 577 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,600 enough? I don't know. 578 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,540 Caitlin Van Mol: Sherry was still in Christie's life and 579 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:53,500 helped her get back on her feet after this setback. How 580 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,640 important was it for you to have Sherry help you? 581 00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,900 Christy: Oh, before the stroke, we had decided we were sleeping, 582 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,900 then I had the stroke, and she stayed and took care of me. So 583 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:14,640 we continued to try, but this wasn't gonna work. Yeah, so I 584 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,080 appreciate probably more than she'll ever know the fact that 585 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,020 she's stayed beside me two times. No do the shooting and 586 00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:27,860 stabbing. And so she stayed with me then. And then, after the 587 00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:34,520 stroke, when we both were done, she stayed and and tried to help 588 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,460 me get her, you know, get back on my feet. And part of it was 589 00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:41,080 probably mental and emotional, but like, I couldn't see. I have 590 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,920 double vision still today. No, I woke up, I couldn't walk, I 591 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,920 couldn't talk. There was a lot of issues, and I didn't have 592 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,720 insurance, so it wasn't like I could go have therapy, so I was 593 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:56,620 just trying to do it on my own, get back up. 594 00:37:56,860 --> 00:38:01,920 Caitlin Van Mol: But insurance, no, is I? There's no, like, 595 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,440 boxers insurance. 596 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,980 Christy: Well, yeah, it was $50,000 they fixed my hand. 597 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:12,780 That's it, you know, they fixed my hand, and I had the stroke, 598 00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:18,480 drug surgery. So the good thing was, hospital got a little 599 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,240 nervous, I think. And, yeah, the bills went away. 600 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,440 Caitlin Van Mol: But, but yeah, insurance not covering like 601 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,120 mental health services? No, yeah, no, so the hospital bill 602 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,920 went away. But even after getting shot, stabbed, a broken 603 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,880 hand and a stroke, Christy was determined to get her 50th win. 604 00:38:43,659 --> 00:38:46,059 Christy: The doctor told me, do not get hit in the head again. 605 00:38:46,479 --> 00:38:50,739 But I was set in my mind that I want to get 50 wins. I want to 606 00:38:50,739 --> 00:38:53,619 get a win without Jim Martin, because that's important to me. 607 00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:57,099 And I'm going to pick this person that I already beat and 608 00:38:57,099 --> 00:39:00,299 that I know can't really fight, and I'm going to beat her so 609 00:39:00,299 --> 00:39:04,619 I'll get my 50 wins. Bad decision. Bad decision. I didn't 610 00:39:04,619 --> 00:39:10,199 train you shouldn't fight after having a stroke, so I did and 611 00:39:10,259 --> 00:39:14,519 and I lost to somebody that doesn't not in my class, 612 00:39:15,179 --> 00:39:17,939 Caitlin Van Mol: someone knew about the stroke and still let 613 00:39:17,939 --> 00:39:19,859 you fight. I'm grown. 614 00:39:21,179 --> 00:39:24,199 Christy: I'm grown a lot of people, you know, people close 615 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:28,459 to me, new but I'm grown. What are you gonna do? Maybe I want 616 00:39:28,459 --> 00:39:29,599 to make my own decisions. 617 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,700 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah, has anyone ever looked out for your 618 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:39,140 best interest? I don't know. 619 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,220 Christy: Yeah. Good question. That's a really good question. 620 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,559 Caitlin Van Mol: It just seems like, yeah, you are grown. You 621 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:55,119 can make your own decisions for yourself, but like, at some 622 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,979 point someone's got to be like, Look. 623 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,240 Christy: I mean, like, right now, Lisa, trust Lee. Says, 624 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,440 telling me I can't do the 625 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,980 Caitlin Van Mol: I can't do boxing. Lisa is her wife, 626 00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:07,680 Christy: and you know, all these people are making really good 627 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,880 money to come back and and have celebrity boxing matches. And 628 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520 you know what the truth is, she's right because I don't have 629 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:25,760 the, I don't have the energy to train like you have to, but if I 630 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,540 did have the energy to train and to really get back in shape, I 631 00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:32,060 Oh, it would be hard to tell me that I keep 632 00:40:32,659 --> 00:40:36,379 Caitlin Van Mol: but she did have one more fight, not in a 633 00:40:36,379 --> 00:40:42,879 boxing ring, but in a court of law. How did you react when he 634 00:40:42,879 --> 00:40:47,619 pled not guilty? We're not surprised. What was his defense? 635 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,820 Christy: He had no defense. I mean, that was the whole thing. 636 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,320 He had no defense. He I think he said, I don't think or no self I 637 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,020 was in the courtroom, so I don't remember if it was he tried to 638 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:04,140 say was self defense. It's a little 639 00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:06,360 Caitlin Van Mol: tricky to believe self defense when your 640 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,500 only wound was self inflicted and the other person is stabbed 641 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:15,000 a bunch of times and shot. Yeah? What was testifying like? 642 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,800 Empowering? 643 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:23,120 Christy: Yeah. And it was, it was good. It was good to be 644 00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:27,980 there in front of him and look him in his eyes and tell him 645 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,420 when I answer questions, you know, answering to him, let him 646 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:36,020 see that I'm strong, and he wanted to screw me up there for 647 00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:36,920 a little while, but I'm 648 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,800 Caitlin Van Mol: back on track. Did he react to anything you 649 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,380 said? He didn't, 650 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,600 Christy: I don't know if they had him drugged, because he's 651 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,560 really arrogant and so for him not to make any expression, 652 00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:54,820 because there's no way that some of the things I said and didn't 653 00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:57,580 push buttons enough to make a reaction. 654 00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:02,040 Caitlin Van Mol: Jim Martin was found guilty and sentenced to 25 655 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,680 years in person. He was 67 years old at the time, and would be 92 656 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:12,480 when he got out. Did you give a victim impact statement for his 657 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:18,180 sentencing? End it. How did that feel to be able to just speak 658 00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:18,780 freely? 659 00:42:19,619 --> 00:42:26,419 Christy: I was speaking and his counsel objected. And then the 660 00:42:26,419 --> 00:42:29,539 judge told me I had to be finished. And I told the judge, 661 00:42:29,539 --> 00:42:33,319 hold on a second, because I'm not done. I mean, this man tried 662 00:42:33,319 --> 00:42:37,579 to kill me, and I should get to say what I want to Yeah. And so 663 00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:42,579 hold on judge. And I finished, and I walked right to him and 664 00:42:42,579 --> 00:42:46,719 said, mother fucker, I hope you burn in hell. And my attorneys 665 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,299 were like, she's crazy, but I think deep inside, they loved 666 00:42:52,299 --> 00:42:52,479 it. 667 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,720 Caitlin Van Mol: Now that Jim was in prison and Christie's 668 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,680 boxing career wasn't coming back, she needed to figure out 669 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,720 what to do with herself. She had gone to college to become a 670 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,360 teacher, so that's what she fell back on. 671 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,840 Christy: So one thing really was cool, I am I taught school in 672 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,420 Charlotte for a little while after being shot and stabbed. 673 00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:17,220 And, you know, my name is really back to Christie Salters, so I 674 00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:21,080 go into school and and no one knows Christy Martin, they just 675 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,700 know Christy Salters and I made relationships with people 676 00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:30,200 Christie, Christie Salters never telling them about the domestic 677 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,540 violence, never tell them about boxing, never telling them 678 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,120 anything. And it was pretty cool. You know, I felt like, 679 00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:45,760 wow, these people like me, because me not, not because 680 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,560 what? Anything else, they don't even know that person. So it was 681 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,660 I needed that at that time of my life. 682 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,380 Caitlin Van Mol: She also reconnected with Lisa Halloween. 683 00:43:57,340 --> 00:44:01,620 Christie had fought and won against Lisa in her last fight, 684 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:06,960 promoted by John King in 2001 How did you reconnect with her? 685 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:09,300 Christy: She just called me after being, you know, after 686 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,540 everything happened, and checking, checking up on me. 687 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:15,420 Caitlin Van Mol: Did you guys like, know? I mean, I know you 688 00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:19,080 fought her, but were you friendly at all for before, 689 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:22,280 Christy: not really like she came and sparred with me a 690 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,940 couple times, but I didn't, I didn't stay in touch with her, 691 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,220 you know, on a even a casual basis. Yeah, she called me and 692 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:35,180 then she came to one of my fight promotions in Charlotte. 693 00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:39,080 Caitlin Van Mol: This is now 2017 and Christie had added 694 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,440 promoter to her boxing repertoire, 695 00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:44,980 Christy: just to kind of hang out and check out one of the 696 00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:46,060 fights that was promoted, 697 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,320 Caitlin Van Mol: just to hang out. 698 00:44:47,619 --> 00:44:49,659 Christy: Well, I don't know. She must have a plan. 699 00:44:52,179 --> 00:44:54,039 Caitlin Van Mol: When did you guys get together? 700 00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:56,620 Christy: So we got together right away, and then we got 701 00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:57,400 married in 2017 702 00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:00,540 Caitlin Van Mol: Well, how long were you dating? Mol, 703 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,960 Christy: not mol. It was quick. I told her, is it like a shotgun 704 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,720 Caitlin Van Mol: with it? Did you have any Well, I guess not, 705 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,680 since you got married so fast. But did you have any problems 706 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,440 like trusting her, given your last relationship, even though 707 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,780 it's night and day, because you actually liked her? 708 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,960 Christy: Yeah? Me. To me, trust is a big thing with everybody. 709 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,780 You know, I don't trust, I don't trust hardly anybody, yeah, so 710 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:37,340 it's a big issue, yeah, for sure, trust. And, you know, I 711 00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:41,080 was, I was just out there having fun thinking I was a teenager, 712 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,020 and then boom, here she came so 713 00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:49,540 Caitlin Van Mol: but whether or not her parents really accepted 714 00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:52,780 her sexuality is still unspoken. 715 00:45:54,820 --> 00:46:00,180 Christy: Think my dad's okay. He loves Lisa, except and 716 00:46:00,180 --> 00:46:06,420 understand, are probably two different things. So how is your 717 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:15,540 mom? She's, I guess, I don't know. She never really like I 718 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:19,260 said, except isn't even a right word, probably. And then 719 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:22,700 understand, I don't even know. I don't know how to say how she 720 00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:23,120 felt. 721 00:46:23,420 --> 00:46:29,060 Caitlin Van Mol: Yeah. Jim Martin died on November 26 2024 722 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200 How did it feel when you heard that news? 723 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,660 Christy: You know, I've had so much happening. Sometimes I'm 724 00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:44,620 not sure that put any thought to it, to it or or let myself have 725 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:49,240 any feeling or emotion to his death. 726 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,680 Caitlin Van Mol: Haven't really dealt with that yet. Does that 727 00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,480 almost feel like freedom, the ability to just not be terribly 728 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,600 affected, or are you just kicking the can down the road? 729 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,680 Christy: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that that I'll ever 730 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,980 feel free from his ties. 731 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,400 Caitlin Van Mol: How do you still feel those today? 732 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,660 Christy: I certainly hear his voice sometimes with, you know, 733 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:25,760 bringing negative stuff like, my stuff is good, I sometimes hear 734 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:32,420 this negative take on things or something negative, yeah, but, 735 00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:35,120 you know, that's just one of the things I have to deal with, 736 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,060 still, still trying to defeat, you know, 737 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:43,240 Caitlin Van Mol: like he's become the self critical part of 738 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:50,680 you. Probably in 2021 Netflix released a documentary about 739 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,740 Christie called untold deal with the 740 00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:56,680 Christy: devil. Yeah, I look at the messages a lot of support 741 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,980 from it, that it was helping other people, giving them 742 00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:03,960 inspiration, and giving them knowledge about domestic 743 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,160 violence and how to get out and to get away. Not less, same 744 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,100 things happen to them. And then also parents dealing with their 745 00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:18,720 children's sexuality. Had a lot of parents contact me about 746 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,400 about their children. That made me feel that made me feel really 747 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,420 good, good. 748 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,260 Caitlin Van Mol: Christy also has a biopic coming out Friday, 749 00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:31,460 November 7. That's this Friday. If you are listening to this the 750 00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:33,140 week this episode is released. 751 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520 Christy: I mean, to be the movie in city. Sweeney playing me is 752 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:41,800 really cool, really I told her, you know, she's gonna be 753 00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:45,580 connected to me for life, because we're gonna make a 754 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:48,520 difference for a long time. Yeah, people are gonna be 755 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,800 surprised about Cindy sweetie's performance. She got down and 756 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,120 dirty and became me 757 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:59,680 Caitlin Van Mol: today. Christie is a public speaker, and she and 758 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,480 her wife Lisa, are still in the boxing world, just 759 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,660 Christy: if anybody you know like trying to book speakers, 760 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:11,520 and we're all out there. Christy martin.net, we're having fun. We 761 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,720 both love boxing. We just bought a land for training center here 762 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,480 in Central Florida, which we're gonna do box, real boxing, but 763 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,480 we're also going to do punching for Parkinson's. When I was in 764 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,320 North Carolina, the domestic violence shelters, they would at 765 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,320 least bring the kids that were in the shelter to the boxing 766 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,280 gym, which was, I felt like, was positive for the kids, yeah. And 767 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,860 then sometimes the mothers that were in the shelters would come 768 00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:41,380 and bang the bags. And boxing is a good it's a good outlet, and 769 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:45,100 it's, I tell everybody that boxing is not going to teach you 770 00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,700 how to fight, and that's not what using boxing for domestic 771 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:53,440 violence struggle is what it does, is it helps your self 772 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:59,920 confidence, and confidence is what we need. So through boxing. 773 00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:05,340 Or any physical exercise, I think, but boxing is my sport, 774 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,480 so I think it just builds your self confidence, it builds your 775 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,060 self esteem, and now you believe in yourself. 776 00:50:22,739 --> 00:50:25,879 Caitlin Van Mol: Then Caitlin, this is live to tell I'm Caitlin 777 00:50:25,879 --> 00:50:30,739 van mol. You can follow the show on Instagram and Tiktok at live 778 00:50:30,739 --> 00:50:35,719 to tell podcast, and you can follow me at Caitlin van mol, 779 00:50:36,259 --> 00:50:40,359 please rate review and subscribe to the show. It really helps. 780 00:50:41,139 --> 00:50:44,379 You can also join me over on Patreon, where we have a 781 00:50:44,379 --> 00:50:48,819 community chat, extended videos and bonus episodes. That's 782 00:50:48,819 --> 00:50:54,459 patreon.com/lived to tell I'll see you in two weeks. You.