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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, and welcome to Baseball America's draft podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Carlos Clauseo joined by Peter Flaherty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're going to talk a little draft report cards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How you doing, Peter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing well, let's say it's kind of a nice and more slow-ish time of year, otherwise known as handbook season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're all grinding away on our prospect season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were respective handbook chapters and were fresh off

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, without a doubt, the best world series since 2016 for me in my lifetime at least for having a fully formed brain out, really remember the two times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are my two as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've got what five, six years on you may be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in terms of like world series, I can remember, it's probably similar, similar pool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like up until this world series 2016 to me was like clearly the top dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this one,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a one-two for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure exactly how I would order it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one's obviously fresh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot more star power in this series, comparatively, and just seeing the massive numbers it did, or just cool to see as a baseball fan in general.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we were treated with a great one this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's no doubt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's absolutely those two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't, I couldn't form a thought for the 2001 World Series with the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yankee's in D-back, so I've, I can't have no words to say about either, but yeah, at least compared to 2016.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I might be a little bit of a prisoner at the moment with 25, but like, that game's seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to think of a better individual baseball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the 2016 game seven was just as wild with the moments in that one with

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the cubs weren't a couple of go ahead runs and extras, but man, that was, that was unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's also on top of the 18 and game earlier on in the series, the ending to game six, so it was like the perfect buildup that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like somehow the 18 in game and all that happened in the ninth inning of game six still led up to like this crescendo that outweight all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was it was unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was all that everyone hoped for and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know in our previous pod and we'd both shared the sentiment, but you let off with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were like, yeah, I hope it just goes seven games and it's really competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's always the hope right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was like that is the like if you're writing up the world series or any of us were writing up the world series and like how it would go in a perfect world and in all this I don't think we could have thought up all that happened across those seven games so it was unbelievable Blue Jays were excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they were they were

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I'm not rubbing any salt on the wound for any blue jays listeners or scouts slash evaluers listening, but they were that they were as close as you can get right I mean the ball falls a little bit differently on a single play there's a different bass running outcome like

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[SPEAKER_00]: literally one different pitch separates them from from losing and winning in a world series game seven extra innings So yeah, you're right as close as you possibly can come to winning and although it sucks They should feel absolutely no shame in how they played because they were a ton of fun to watch I also just love me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is common for baseball But just the players who are not prominent who come up with clutch moments and just big performances

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[SPEAKER_00]: is always a lot of fun just seeing what Ernie Clement did throughout the postseason was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're in the period where we kind of just have to sit and wait for spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I am enjoying just the fall season in general and like we mentioned at the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are in the middle of our top 10s rollout prospects season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We call it here at Baseball America this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got all the NL East teams on the site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see updated prospect rankings and reports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are on the site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got chats every day as we roll out top 10s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're a fan of an American League team or a non-NL East team, don't worry, it will be coming on the site before you know it, and for most people who are listening to this podcast, you're probably just a general prospect fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, we got this just kind of rolling out consistently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what are we possibly talking about related to the draft today, Peter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not to spoil our next episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are the episode after this one will be doing kind of a deep dive into all of the pictures that fit at the top of the class, at least on the collar side with guys like Lee and Peterson and Kim Fluke, Hugh Jackson, Flora, a couple of others in kind of getting in the weeds a little bit similar how we did with Rock Chelsea, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, you, you, you share a really cool exercise post draft every year and it's the draft for poor cards that you send around to all 30 teams and I think it's a super productive exercise not only for myself and like, you know, seeing how teams are thinking, but you also for BA as a whole, because it's a blend it's, you know, that the teams will send back their respective responses and it's also a blend of what you think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so how works is, well, I'll send out like our draft report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I kind of inherited this as something that I came up with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a long last long standing piece at Baseball America, draft report cards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically the exercises to try and shine some light on each team's respective draft class, highlight a few, it's more superlatives than draft grades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We call it draft report cards, but I know some people who are maybe new to the series or I was like, it's report cards, but there's no grades here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we kind of have a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're allergic to putting grades on a draft this this far out, but mostly it's just to kind of highlight some players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Highlight a team's given draft class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some teams do take the time to kind of respond to the survey we send out and give their responses with some more detail on players, other teams who choose not to, I'll just kind of work through their classes kind of on my own and pick out the winners for each category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like it is a good, like we're far enough away from the draft itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit less than an older era as we get some playing time for the prospects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no team this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that didn't have any of their players playing official games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is something to look at from pro debuts from all these classes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, I think it's a it's a useful exercise even for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who's like covering the draft is closely as you possibly can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously you're in that bucket as well, Peter, but like

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're always players who you either didn't know as much about, or maybe you kind of had them further down the pecking order of a draft class that just stands out to you for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either because it's a player that we didn't know a ton about who a team is really excited for because they saw them late in the year or they were just a hideout guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're always fun players with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like when teams can have interesting names for the most intriguing background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these guys will know why they're interesting in the first place, but they're always some fun kind of human element background pieces here So it's just kind of fun to to get a look at all all 30 teams a few a few months out from the draft

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there are so many, I mean, if you haven't already checked it out, I highly and I would highly encourage you to, because there are a lot of superlatives and a ton of players mentioned, and you can kind of go deep a little bit on the class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's hard to ask you what stood out the most with all 30 of them, but were there any players

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least brought up, like, you know, if you take out the best 11th round pick and on slash UDFA, if you take guys from that bucket out of it, were any players, we can go in any direction, where any guys mentioned that, you know, we're not surprising to you, but, you know, set off, you know, in alarm bell or two is like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: this is a guy to circle and maybe keep close or tabs on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of curious because in scrolling through this myself, I've already seen a handful of interesting names, but I'm curious who of any stood out to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we should ping-pong it back and forth, maybe on that front just players who stood out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I said the first one who stood out to me is Ethan Conrad for the Cubs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a player who I think is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super fastening just because of the toolset but just hearing some of the feedback from Chicago on this like how excited they are about him as a defender even like when I think about Ethan Conrad what I mostly get excited about is just the the context skills the power upside for him I mean six foot three 220 pounds one of these bigger players are the more compact swing then you would expect and he has this really lengthy track record of great back to ball skills

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I mean, he's on a draft class with Ken Capley, who, we both thought was one of the very best defenders in the class at large college or high school, whatever position you want to bring up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we, if you ask myself or Peter, like, hey, name the five best defenders in this class, I would, I would assume both of us would name Capley in that group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marriott Houston Billy Carlson, Kane Capley, Vantani Cut or like the Captain Boatine Luke Stevenson, those are kind of the names I immediately point to and then Conrad does even like just even him being mentioned in a long with Kane Capley for best defensive player in this class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just speaks to his athleticism and how highly the clubs think of him because again, we great again, Kepley out as a 70 grade defender and here Ethan Conrad is a guy who I may be thinking of as less likely to play corner, I'll feel just given that feedback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I certainly think he

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[SPEAKER_00]: should get it every opportunity to play center field because he does run well enough for the position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've seen so many big physical defensive center filters play the position well that like size is not a huge concern to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you get these sort of athletic freaks, you can just move around well enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm even more excited about what Ethan Conrad is going to be moving forward than I was beforehand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: sleeping on Conrad too much like I was pretty enamored with the tool set so that's he's maybe one of the first guys that I'll take out from this exercise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's it out to me as well especially once you brought it up and it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: I echo your sentiment completely because obviously you know, at least the draw for the main draw for me and probably everyone is you know the hit power combo with Conrad and you know he's got this big league body and you know kind of looks the part more of a corner guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Long term that he does in center field, but to have that kind of feedback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even though it's internal, I think is an extreme testament to how highly the the cubs think of, um, of Conrad and what kind of, for me, like you said, that's in a system that also drafted came capital who, you know, we toss around as one of the best defenders in the class and

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[SPEAKER_01]: are best tools draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you know, he checks a whole lot of boxes and they saw some video that was tweeted out of him like a few weeks ago at the complex or the backfields in Arizona.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That coming off of Scholar surgery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his pro debut and a lot of other guys who didn't make their pro debut post draft, but I know from a position player standpoint,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to his pro debut in 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who would be a player for you, who either was like a surprising name in a certain category or a guy that you're like more excited about now or just a name of note.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was more looking and kind of going towards like the like the deep-ish sleep route and yeah, honing in on organizations you know like the astros or the Dodgers or you know maybe the rays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with the astros what stood out to me was the amount of guys that fit into like their respective

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, these necessarily like super prominent graphics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so to speak, like, you know, especially on the pitching side, it's fun to envision how the Astros might handle and develop someone like a Nick Potter or a Kellen Oaks, Nick Potter, which a Toastate right hand or his fastball

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, pairs it with a sire like profiles as a reliever probably at the next level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then Kellan Oaks, who was the winner of the best secondary pitch, um, super relative like his 509 throunders respectively for these two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, his sweeper is a really good building block for his profile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that's it out to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also they're best athlete being Boeing greens DJ Newman, who was their 15th round pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was excellent at Boeing Green, um, throughout his three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of dealt with injuries a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, in 24 and 25, especially in 25, but career 3-8 hitter, um, with 15 homers, and then in the mound, career A of 3-6 with 91 punchouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of avenues from a development standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go with Newman for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least just when he first kind of popped onto the scene in 23 just from a sheer level of performance like he's always fit in the Performance over tools bucket like I'm not sure what's there in terms of actual tools, but he's been a really steady performer he can do it on both sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think anytime you're looking at the ashes to in this 10 plus round range, got to be curious about the players because we were talking about like notable players or teams who've had success in the 10 plus round range and in our Slack the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the 2021 and 2022 drafts, the Astros already have three major ligars who they draft to 10 plus in those two drafts, Chad Stevens, Zach Desenzo, and then Will Wagner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, none of these players have been break through like high impact players, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Simply getting a big leaguer after the 10th round is a success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of the quality of that big leaguer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe Newman was one of only three players selected as two way players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And our draft database, you can sort by two way players specifically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Newman was the last two way player drafted in the 15th round in addition to Mitch Voitte.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the Metz, pick 38 and then Josh Owens in the third round at pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 84, so we'll see how long the two-way experiment actually lasts with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like for most buyers, it doesn't last too long, but one of three is pretty fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my guess will be not very long because right, everyone will not ever run, but you know, my take and it's kind of a cross one of two way players not existing, like I just and pro ball certainly, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's one, there's one person on the planet who's a high-impact two way player at the big league level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we all know who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, anyways, I digress, but speaking of sort of the two time

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone like a landed Viteric was a guy that it was intriguing to me in the lead up to the draft just because I think I wrote about him in like an underrated prospects piece or something in the lead up to the draft just for, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the rock tools that he has that's kind of the name of the game here with Gitterick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gitterick has I feel like he's kind of the exact sort of player who shines in the category like this because like you could point to almost any of his tools and they're quite loud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's if he's not like the leading favorite to win a category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's certainly in the conversation for many of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly how many we list him for, but it had to have been at least three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, I mean, Thurbrown pick and outfielder at Cincinnati, he was, you know, listed as the best power hitter, the fastest runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, he's also probably in can, I don't know, a best defense player, but, you know, you're on the money with at least two of them, but, you know, looks the part, there's real bad speed there quality contact to all fields like the bad at ball data and the lead up to the draft, what is what stood out to me, especially like the performance was the performance, but it wasn't necessarily like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: super loud knocker socks off type of deal, but you know, the under the hood data was a real boost to what was already there from a tool standpoint with him and it was cool to see that Translate to his pro debut as well because just pulling some of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: the better ball data for debut hitters and kind of lining them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his 90th percentile exevelocity was the best of any player who had 50 more plate appearances, 110.3 miles per hour is what we had it as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Topping guys like Nolan Schubert, like Jared Jones, Ethan Frey, like big huge sluggers from more prominent programs that that certainly had more fanfare in the run up to the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our member when Vittorick was was taken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had him as a late entry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: onto our draft board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he entered our list and maybe April or May.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember the exact time that he came on, but we didn't have him ranked in the top 100 or near it, although his tools probably weren't being a little closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like our member when he was taken, it was kind of a surprise to a number of people when we were talking about it on the desk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a player who you could point to and say he has three pluses on his car between his arm, his raw power, and his speed, and Dan O'Dowd is just like, like the Dodgers take guys like this and try and figure out the hitting with them moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was happy to see the Dodgers in particular draft of player like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was excited about Mason LaGens and the sixth round for a similar reason and wish he had signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Vittorick is a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, it's sort of what Dan O'Dowd alluded to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you guys were talking about Viteric, the X factor with him is how much he's going to hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if he's able to put the ball and play enough to get to these loud tools and generate this high quality impact on a regular basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Cincinnati, but I'd have to pull what the overall contact rate is, but the overall contact rate for Vitterek was just 75% or a shade under and then the inzone was 79% but he's a, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of a almost a passive hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't swing a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the zone swing was sub 60%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can get more aggressive on pitches kind of in his go zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could serve him well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But moving the baseball with him is the key.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, the data is really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an average EV of 93.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 90th percentilex of velocity of 110, a lot of bad evolves, north of 110, you can pull the ball in the air, so I mean it's bad speed, it's all fields Jews, you can pull the ball like I mean if

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he hits enough, he's got a real chance in, like you said, he's also a plus runner and, you know, it's how to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not just this free runner who will kind of get on base and run into outs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was 39 of 40 in cylinder base attempts this past spring at sincey and then he went three for three in 16 games with

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he was he's he's a really fun player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had him circle going into the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have him even more heavily circle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's thrown a highlight on the map.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just given who he's with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, and I think again, not to be to dead horse here with the Dodgers, but Sam Horn has always been a fascinating player to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, when quickly before you get into him, when he was taken on the 17th round, did you expect him to sign?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they sent him for just under $500,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess with the signing bonus contingency, he got $500,000, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wasn't sure when he was taking in that range if he would was going to be signing or Or what was going to happen with him because he didn't throw a ton and you could maybe make a case for him running it back and log in more innings because He's got like top three rounds pure arm talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of like health and putting it together, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'll say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't totally sure if he would when I heard his name call, just because with horn, another variable in all of this, this he's a, or is was, I don't know how you want to phrase it now, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a standout football player, Missouri is one of their team captains this year in was kind of in this early season battle for QB1, but he had fortunately like in one of their first plays from scrimmage in week one against like an FCS team central arc and saw lower body injury out for the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something with this, I don't want to speak at a turn and

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[SPEAKER_01]: say what his injury was without actually knowing 100% what it was, but it was some of this leg that I think required surgery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fractured tibia and it's right leg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, not awesome, but I mean, as you can hear, it's a pretty interesting path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he kind of easily took home the most intriguing background superlative

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[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff on the mound is is really, really appealing and he's also this low mileage college arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I think like, you know, he's an intriguing one for any organization to get their hands on, but if it was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It also just fits with the Dodgers like the Dodgers and the Braves to me have taken so many of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the Dodgers specifically have like a multi-sport to a player sort of bias like the Braves definitely have, but they both are willing to take players with injury history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition to the football injury that just talked about he also had TJ and has limited time in the mountain because of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Dodgers seem perfectly willing to take these injury prone guys or guys with injury histories if they have great arm talent because they can just throw what's on of those arms at you hope to patch together the rotation and the bullpin and figure it out throughout the season with with tremendous depth but they're gonna have batmissers who just maybe won't be giving you 200 innings every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I mean getting him and getting this kind of arm talent the 17th it's like why not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's why I didn't know if he was even going to sign but Kudos to them for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we tossed around the phrase like moldable ball of clay a lot like this is that I think to a T like they're great building blocks here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a dynamic mover six four 220 pounds with you know big time arm speed the fastball was up to 98 to 99

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, with a ton of life through the zone, um, it's at its best when elevated and then, you know, he's only thrown 15 innings, so there's only so much of a sample to go off of, but he's got this two plane slider and the load of mid 80s that looks the part of a, of a potentially effective off speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's kind of crude in the fact, you know, he's a two pitch guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, control questions, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, from at least for a picture like, you know, we don't really talk about the pictures having tools, but like for the sake of this exercise, like the tools are in place, you know, especially for someone like a daughter, excuse me, I got a little yipped up there, but for someone like a daughter to develop this guy and turn him into a into a really effective arm, you know, even if even if he fits into that reliever bucket long term, which is where I

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot to like with horn and even more so, just given who drafted him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take us to the American League and to go into the American League's central here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a couple pictures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're interesting with the guardians in this tram class and specific pitch types in particular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about, though, just before we get into those arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we need to change what we think about a kind of Cleveland model hitter after this draft here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Jay Slavio let Nolan Schubart, we're certainly not the sort of hitting profiles I associated with them, I guess aside from them being left-handed, but it does feel like in recent years they've just taken a little bit more thump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they previously have, they still have their contacts of on further down in this draft class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys like Luke Hill, guys like Riley Nelson, Anthony Martinez, are all sort of the kind of contact first hit-rish types that definitely fit with Cleveland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess just a note, still funny to me to think of Cleveland drafting, not only J.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love you, let

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the first, but also in the third, which I think for any team, regardless of Tennessee, as she writes, powers may be too much to pass up when you're at pick 101.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting sort of trend in the last couple years, at least with Cleveland, we'll see if it continues in a 26.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, where they took Jay, I think is a more than adequate spot, even given the 25 season than you kind of endured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's weird because if you're someone who doesn't, if you don't like those profiles if they scare you,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But because they scare everyone else too, it keeps going further and further down the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like where does everyone draw the line for where the risk is tolerable?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is such a fun conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to be able to like go around a room for every team or every decision maker and say like, okay, what point is when it's okay for you to take ex profile that you maybe would typically just not want to take?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the town's too good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of forced to take it at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a great point as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can argue, you know, love a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly fits that description, but there's a chance depending on how you view him in the lead up to the draft that shoe art also fits in that description.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's double plus raw power from the left side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he gets into that, in game consistently is a pretty big F, but it's like how,

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[SPEAKER_01]: far do you let a profile like that slide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's personally not my cup of tea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, at the guardians are such a smarter organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, when they pick you kind of listen a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yours perk up a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, to, uh, definitely interesting picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, the pictures I want to get into in particular, though, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for best secondary pitch, Harrison Bodendorf, his change up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a low 80s pitch that he used this spring in generated nearly a 50% misraged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was right under that at 49%, he throws it to both lefties and righties who hit just 149, 194, 190 against that pitch and also Bodendorf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: took home the most intriguing background category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know this prior to the draft, but he was not a player who got a ton of interest coming out of college and actually was a preferred walk-on at Hawaii.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He pitched there for two years and then transferred to Oklahoma State where he was one of the most important pitchers on that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's always very cool to hear about a player who's like a walk-on or preferred walk-on just didn't have a lot of buzz in attention and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: a legitimate draft prospect and gets to a power conference and power program and really does well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that pitch is one to keep an eye on, even if it's maybe not the most obvious, best secondary pitch in the system, like Will Heinz, his breaking ball is also mentioned here and it's a pretty exciting high spin sweeper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other pitch, maybe the more fascinating one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is an old mist right hander will mccocent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have him down in the best fastball category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you were to mention mccocent in this category 10 years ago, you'd probably scratch your heads and like like wonder, okay, did they just not take a lot of hard throwers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they have a really hit or heavy draft?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not a fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that has a ton of velocity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sits in the low 90s with the pitch, I think he averaged just over 91 miles per hour, less spring, he'll touch 94.95.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's touching velocity that's like close to average for a major league right handed starter these days, but it is an absolute invisible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very flat angle, flat approach angle, the VA is sub 4, which is in a lead number

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got a 38% mistake with the fastball this spring with all miss and I believe only Liam Doyle had a swing strike rate higher than McCawson swing strike rate this spring of any picture and like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doyle's fastball was famous throughout the entirety of the draft cycle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really everyone is very aware of just how good his fastball wasn't when it's seven miles power harder coming out of a left handed start in the SEC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that does give it some more gravitas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Wilma Costland is definitely a pitch that I think you're going to want to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just make sure you check in on and keep in mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also had a pretty solid debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He threw 10 innings in low A, struck out 15 batters, walked four, had a 2.70 ERA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are two pitchers, I think, who are really interesting, will be intriguing to follow from an organization that just tends to do pitching development really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and starting with Bowdoin Dorf, it's a plus change up for me at least, you know, if it's not already there, it's easy to envision it becoming a plus pitch and like from a ceiling standpoint, it's not this like monster ceiling, but he's a 65 lefty with funk, you can probably add, you know, 10 to 15 plus pounds to his body and, you know, you see this stuff and, and Velo took up across the board, but you know, like I think there's a chance he's an effective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: back of the rotation arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When all of a sudden done, you know, it strikes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He commands the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a legit three pitch mix had line by the change up, but, you know, he's a funky left hander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like him a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then with Wilma cause on the psyche brought him up because in our piece that we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right after the second and now final day of the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was the favorite of yours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you drafted him right in our little follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I tapped Wilma Coslin and it was for the exact reason that you said with the invisible with his heater and you touched on everything perfectly with the, you know, ultra flat and elite approach angle and, you know, it's from a Velo standpoint, it's not really overwhelming, but everything under the hood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: similar vertical approach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's like more just like crazy carry, but it's a similar like really low release point flat heavy ride pitch that plays well up from the like 93 velocity that you see from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully you can add a little bit more velocity to that pitch and make it even more lethal moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was encouraging to see him have a

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[SPEAKER_01]: a strong pro debut as well, which you would also brought up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he's he's trending in the right direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, on top of his heater, he's got this kind of cut-slide hybrid that's an effective secondary late glove-side life and other effective pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are two really interesting arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, with some organizations and we'd brought this up before leading into a, I think it was Viteric,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you pay attention a little bit more to what third organizations do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the audience, especially when it comes to pitching, you kind of listen a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess on that note, you know, Seattle with right hand or Lucas Kelly in the six round taken out of Arizona State, it's another big time here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was up to 99 with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This past spring at ASU and again, just kind of a classic like Seattle development arm to watch, like I think the with rate on it was 35% You know, with solid extension a pretty flat vertical approach angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this side arm slotty throws from as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, there's a lot of unique traits there with Kelly and then Kate Anderson is Kate Anderson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he unsurprisingly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fit or won a number of these, uh, extra super relatives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For the pitching categories when you're taking something like kid Anderson, it kind of boxes a lot of people out so it can be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the teams, the last team I want to mention here is we kind of get close to the, the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't talked a ton about specific like best 11 plus round pick categories over all for a team, but like the plot rays were maybe one of the most interesting teams for this category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in general, just the volume of names that I found really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they spent $654,000 on Troop Madonna, who's a catcher out of Washington high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just fascinated in what the podries see of him, what they have here with Troop Madonna, because I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a ton about him, but they paid him a lot of money to get him out of a UCLA commitment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's immediately just just the money where they took him, um, I'll be curious if his name comes up at all in your reporting and writing of the pod raise system this off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were also one of the most aggressive teams on the undrafted free agent market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had one player in this range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We ranked on the B.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 500 Northwest Florida, Northwest Florida, Alphate or Cray lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got solid speed and power, making these state outfield or corner western burgers a guy that we had on our senior sign list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe, top of the scale runner, maybe a really good defender in center field and then Mercer shorts up Bradley Fry is coming off over the strong season where he homework 12 times, double 18 times and also stole 16 bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like the pod rays in general, I always appreciate how they scout and evaluate players, it feels like they,

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[SPEAKER_00]: make prospects appear out of thin air year after year after liquidating all of your prospect capital and trades and the next year boom we're talking about all these rising prospects who have kind of reinvigorated a system that we went in the offseason thinking oh it's really shallow it falls out for the quickly next summer I'm sure we're going to be talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a prospect or a handful that all of a sudden are looking really, really exciting, I'm not saying that like any of these guys are going to shoot up into the top 100, but I do think it's a really interesting collection of post top 10 round players to watch out for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so at least with True Madonna, I mean, he's someone that they view pretty highly and just having their system for our prospect handbook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he came up in conversations for, you know, right outside the top 10 kind of knocking on the door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he'll be in a solid spot probably in the teens like kind of this classic big physical catcher arm strength power guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but there's a lot to like with him and then create a lot is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I'm psyched you, A went to the powder is and also B brought up a lot because he was selected out of high school by the Orioles in the 15th round in 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really liked the pick then if they were able to sign them, but they weren't able to sign them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes to Northwest Florida

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, now tools but like big time upside, like I don't want to say five tool upside because that's such a bullish ceiling to stick on someone, but there's real upside here with lot on both sides of the baseball means 65 190.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, certainly looks the party's gotten stronger, um, since being drafted, obviously as a prepster, kind of had an underwhelming freshman year at Northwest Florida State, um, was obviously eligible again for the draft being in a junior college, one undrafted, um, and then comes back this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 371 with nine doubles, nine homers, swipe 17 bags, um, it's on uptick and power,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um...

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's bad speed now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's more bad speed to come and develop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's continuing to get stronger and put on more muscle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's great baseball sense there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that the potter is internally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not even outing anyone with whom I've had a conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the potter is internally or really, really fired up about this pick because there's a ton to like with Kraylot and getting him in the spot that they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there is plenty more to be found in the actual draft report card pages on the site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a landing page on the site where you can access every single DRC that we have and really

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[SPEAKER_00]: go through the full list for every team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would probably take us a very long time to go through every team and touch on a lot of the players where interested in each of these clubs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely check out the full piece on the site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter, any final thoughts, any final comments, anything on a plug mentioned?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get off your chest here before we wrap up the show today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, get off my chest, that's the, that's the, that's the deeper question on the draft pocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was a fun exercise as always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I encourage you to go over the site and check out the draft for poor cards because, you know, not only we read up on, you know, a number of prominent picks and, you know, maybe why the club that drafted them values them so high, but you might also stumble across some other names that you find intriguing and you can do a deep dive on yourself, but I encourage you to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: pre-order the the prospect handbook and or the the baseball America Almanac both are outstanding guests whether it's for a huge baseball fan or family or even for yourself you know the holidays are coming up uh and i think if you pre-order it you'll get pf access to it

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to just say January publicly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know last year was out even before then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, you'll get access last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you'll get access to the handbook as early as anyone does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, far before the print product comes out if you get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it's just free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get access to the PDF alongside your, your purchase of the physical copy that'll be shipped in around March or so, it's typical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, regardless of what it is, you'll be one of the first people to, to get a handbook access if you prefer it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So ordering those would would be a wise choice, I think, and then heading on over the website, as we always say, whether you're a college, not draft, not more focus on prospects and in the professional side of things, or even

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, fantasy and in the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's anything that you could possibly want over on the site at baseballamerica.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So would very much encourage you popping on over there and subscribing because it allows us to do what we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we cannot thank you guys enough for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't need to add any more to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Peter and thank you guys for listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang out this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you'll have a great weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See us back here on the draft pod in two weeks from now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for Peter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Carlos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So long everybody.