<v Speaker0>I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild, wild stuff.

<v Speaker0>Because behind the scenes, everybody kicked in. So we did a myth with gun cotton

<v Speaker0>for an old-timey rocket.

<v Speaker1>Oh, wow, yeah.

<v Speaker0>We had to create some very noxious, toxic gases when we were mixing the gun

<v Speaker0>cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets.

<v Speaker0>I heard some mythology about how that gun cotton was created.

<v Speaker1>Yeah.

<v Speaker0>You're allowed to tell the stories now. The show's off the air.

<v Speaker1>Welcome, MythFits.

<v Speaker2>Hi, Carrie. How are you doing today?

<v Speaker0>Why are you talking like Steve Burns from Blue's Clues?

<v Speaker2>Ever since we interviewed him, I want to start every episode.

<v Speaker1>Hi, Mythfits.

<v Speaker2>Mythfits. How are you guys doing?

<v Speaker0>Welcome, Mythfits. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Carrie Byron.

<v Speaker0>This is Troy Belichi. We've known each other since Mythbusters,

<v Speaker0>so we'll probably talk about that a bunch.

<v Speaker2>Welcome back. And if you're a first-time listener, welcome. And Carrie,

<v Speaker2>how are you doing today? Why are you smelling cinnamon?

<v Speaker0>This is the weirdest thing. I was shopping. I was like trying to,

<v Speaker0>my daughter likes some stuff from Trader Joe's.

<v Speaker0>So I stopped by when I was, after I was leaving suburbia and visiting my sister.

<v Speaker1>And she's like, have you seen these whisks?

<v Speaker0>I'm like, what the heck is that? It's like, it's a little tiny whisk broom that

<v Speaker0>smells like cinnamon. I don't understand what you do with it.

<v Speaker0>I don't get it. I don't know if there's

<v Speaker0>some sort of Thanksgiving item or something, but it smells amazing.

<v Speaker0>It's just, it's a cinnamon whisk. Have you seen this? What is this for?

<v Speaker2>No, no. But you know what? It's tis the season of pumpkin lattes.

<v Speaker2>I mean, everything is pumpkin flavored. Have you ever had a pumpkin latte?

<v Speaker0>Well, you know what I've had is pumpkin and it tastes nothing like all of this pumpkin spice stuff.

<v Speaker0>Why don't they just make it like cinnamon season? Because I just pumpkin's disgusting.

<v Speaker0>Like it's it's it's gooey. It's gross. It's something I'll put on my dog's food

<v Speaker0>when her stomach is sick. Like what? Why a pumpkin latte? I don't get it.

<v Speaker2>I don't get it. I don't I don't either. But everyone was like,

<v Speaker2>oh, pumpkin latte, pumpkin latte. I'm going to get a pumpkin latte.

<v Speaker2>So I was like, you know what?

<v Speaker2>there's everybody's talking about it there's got to be something to it so i'm

<v Speaker2>going to get one it was the like the worst thing i've ever had it really a sugar

<v Speaker2>bomb i had the worst headache for the rest of the day i felt sick to my stomach

<v Speaker2>i was like who came up with this god-awful

<v Speaker2>formula of pumpkin latte this is the dumbest thing ever guess

<v Speaker0>Who's never advertising on our show.

<v Speaker2>I'm not saying where I got the pumpkin latte Oh that

<v Speaker0>Is true That is true I'm sure it could be anywhere You just assume That makes a sugar bomb,

<v Speaker0>latte.

<v Speaker0>How do you take your coffee? I mean, since Mythbusters, I'm like just hardcore, thick black coffee.

<v Speaker0>I love the cheaper, the better for some reason.

<v Speaker2>Did you say thick?

<v Speaker0>Yeah. Like coffee, super strong, like black coffee.

<v Speaker0>Like, like every time I make coffee, everybody's like, whoa, that is strong.

<v Speaker0>Like I just, I just remember like getting up for Mythbusters.

<v Speaker0>You knew you had a big, hard, long day.

<v Speaker0>And it was just, I just needed to kickstart.

<v Speaker0>So I would make my coffee almost like with the grounds in it.

<v Speaker0>Like if I was picking grounds out of my teeth, that's how strong my coffee had

<v Speaker0>to be. And to this day, it's just like straight trucker coffee.

<v Speaker0>Got my Rick and Morty mug here. I'm ready to do it.

<v Speaker2>No, my go-to is a flat white every day. It's like shots of espresso and a little

<v Speaker2>bit of warmed milk. A flat white. My go-to? You're so fancy.

<v Speaker2>My go-to is a flat white all the time.

<v Speaker2>I like my fancy coffees.

<v Speaker0>You like your fancy coffee.

<v Speaker2>Carrie, our guest today, we have a very, very close friend of ours who was very

<v Speaker2>close to the show. He was one of our producers for many years,

<v Speaker2>starting when we started on season two. He came on as a producer.

<v Speaker2>Are you excited to talk to?

<v Speaker0>This is an infamous member of the Mythbusters because he did all of our blueprints.

<v Speaker0>Like this guy, like he is so important to the show because his comic book style,

<v Speaker0>like he's a comic book artist in his his real life.

<v Speaker0>So getting to to do all of our blueprints, he really upped our game.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, totally. Oh, my God.

<v Speaker2>Our drawings sucked compared to his. And so whenever you would see the episode

<v Speaker2>And you would see the hand Drawing the blueprint That was this producer

<v Speaker0>He's the hand That's his appearance in our shows He's the hand And don't forget

<v Speaker0>Stick around to the end of the episode Because that's when we answer all of

<v Speaker0>our fan questions So you can be a part of the show,

<v Speaker0>Please post your questions Like, subscribe, follow, all that And if you want,

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<v Speaker2>Now, our guest that we have on today is one of the brilliant producers from

<v Speaker2>Mythbusters, our good friend, Eric Haven. Eric, how the heck are you?

<v Speaker1>Hello. Hi, Tori. Hi, Carrie. I'm doing well. How are you guys?

<v Speaker1>You guys are doing really well.

<v Speaker2>It's so good to see you.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, we're just, you know, being parents, doing podcasts. Yeah, wow.

<v Speaker0>I don't think a lot of people know, actually, our fans, they all know,

<v Speaker0>this is the gentleman who does all of the blueprints after Tori and I used to

<v Speaker0>do the chicken scratch of blueprints when they started getting good.

<v Speaker0>It's because Eric Haven was drawing them.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, that was a fun gig, doing those blueprint drawings. But you guys were

<v Speaker1>so talented. I don't know why you didn't keep doing it.

<v Speaker2>I think they wanted to be able to tell what the drawing was.

<v Speaker0>I mean, they stopped kind of being planning. And, you know, because at first

<v Speaker0>we were just kind of working through stuff on the blueprint table.

<v Speaker0>But then when they wanted it to look like really cool sort of interstitials

<v Speaker0>or like the name of the actual episode, like you did such great comic book art.

<v Speaker0>You've got a background in comic books, right? Right.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, that's right. So I brought that kind of ethos to the blueprint drawings,

<v Speaker1>which you're right before it would kind of show how the device is going to work

<v Speaker1>or what you're trying to do.

<v Speaker1>And I was just like, oh, it's called ice cannon and show an ice cannon blowing

<v Speaker1>up or something because I didn't know how anything worked.

<v Speaker1>But I was a comic book guy, so I could draw in that way.

<v Speaker1>So that's that's why they all ended up that way.

<v Speaker0>So, Eric, you are a producer on the show. For people who don't know what a producer

<v Speaker0>does, what was the day-to-day activity for you? What does a producer do on Mythbusters?

<v Speaker1>Uh you source the location you source

<v Speaker1>the talent you source the um the

<v Speaker1>items or the the stuff that you'll

<v Speaker1>be building so it's just kind of putting the show together as a puzzle piece

<v Speaker1>like where are you going to shoot it where is the where is the best place to

<v Speaker1>do this and who are the best people to do it with like what kind of experts

<v Speaker1>will we need and then how do you get the stuff that you're going to need,

<v Speaker1>like whether it's outrageous chemicals or explosive stuff.

<v Speaker1>So that's what it was. It was just basically sourcing and procuring stuff.

<v Speaker0>And the occasional mixing of gun cotton.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, yeah. And along the way, you start to talk to the same people over and over again.

<v Speaker1>You start to engender a relationship almost where you can tell them what you

<v Speaker1>need and they're not going to be thinking you're crazy or a terrorist or something.

<v Speaker1>they're more going to be helpful. And so that was a lot of fun.

<v Speaker0>So you knew Tori and Grant and Adam and Jamie, you knew them all before Mythbusters.

<v Speaker0>What was your impression of them when you first met them? Were you guys like

<v Speaker0>instantly friends or were they the weirdos that you would watch from where all of the suits lived?

<v Speaker0>Like, what was the jam? Take me back.

<v Speaker1>I don't think I knew Tori. I don't think that we had ever talked at ILM.

<v Speaker1>I had talked to Grant and I knew Adam. We had talked a few times and I hadn't met Jamie at all.

<v Speaker1>My first time meeting Jamie was at M5 and it was probably on the first day or the second day.

<v Speaker1>And I had done, I had gotten some kind of weird paint or something that we needed.

<v Speaker1>I don't remember what the application was, but it wasn't exactly what he wanted.

<v Speaker1>And I came up to him, like trying to explain, like, this isn't the bright blue

<v Speaker1>color and it's not going to work the same way.

<v Speaker1>And Jamie has really clear eyes and he was just looking at me, uh,

<v Speaker1>And I didn't know what to do. Like, I hadn't met him before.

<v Speaker1>So I wasn't sure how to deal with this individual.

<v Speaker1>And I was just went back to it. And like, I think it will work.

<v Speaker1>If you want me to get something else, I can get something else.

<v Speaker1>And again, he was just looking at me. Through you.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Through me, I was turned into, like,

<v Speaker1>he was looking at my internal structures, my organs,

<v Speaker1>even the atoms that make me up uh and you know making decisions and calculations

<v Speaker1>in his mind how how he should address this i don't remember what the outcome

<v Speaker1>was but i just remember being like so uh

<v Speaker1>unsettled by the experience of trying to i didn't know i i didn't i didn't know

<v Speaker1>how to interact with him but shortly thereafter i realized how to engage with

<v Speaker1>jamie and you know um yeah you can just talk about uh universal joints and stuff

<v Speaker1>and he'll he'll he'll ease off to the races

<v Speaker0>I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild wild stuff like our because

<v Speaker0>behind the scenes everybody,

<v Speaker0>kicked in so when things like we

<v Speaker0>did a myth with gun cotton for an old

<v Speaker0>time oh wow yeah and it was

<v Speaker0>it was some uh we had to create some very noxious toxic

<v Speaker0>gases uh when we were mixing the

<v Speaker0>gun cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets and when you were on set

<v Speaker0>i heard some some mythology about how uh that gun cotton was created yeah you're

<v Speaker0>allowed to tell the stories now the show's off the air we can't get sued anymore how many.

<v Speaker2>Years of your life have you lost from that that that experience

<v Speaker1>Oh my god i i'm i'm surprised you guys remember that like oh wow that's something

<v Speaker1>that i've kind of put out of my mind

<v Speaker0>Dude i remember because the small scale experiment when

<v Speaker0>we were doing it just in the shop right grant's girlfriend

<v Speaker0>was like a chemical engineer she she she came in and she's like what are you

<v Speaker0>guys doing like we were doing it in the sink in the shop and she was just like

<v Speaker0>you don't have any of the right equipment like this is toxic and then like i

<v Speaker0>think they give you guys some respirators and they're like go make it on set no.

<v Speaker1>No respirators we didn't even have respirators like we we should have had respirators

<v Speaker1>and like a hood yeah like a exhaust hood

<v Speaker1>But no, we're in a bathroom in a hotel outside Mojave Desert.

<v Speaker1>And just I'm sure people have made worse stuff in the bathtubs.

<v Speaker2>Outside of the Mojave Desert.

<v Speaker1>In the hotels outside Mojave Desert. But yeah, we made gun cotton in there.

<v Speaker1>I remember me and Danny D, maybe John Hunt and Peter.

<v Speaker1>We were in there like running the nitric acid through a bath and the fumes it

<v Speaker1>was given off were, yeah,

<v Speaker1>I guess not only toxic, but possibly like deadly. Yeah.

<v Speaker2>That's why you probably can't remember that. Your memory of that is foggy.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. But I remember the stuff, it worked. Like we collected it.

<v Speaker1>dried it brought it out to location and

<v Speaker1>it was in a my memory of it i unless

<v Speaker1>i'm misremembering it it was in a pyrex bowl of

<v Speaker1>some sort and um we had it off

<v Speaker1>to the side out in the open and as the sun started hitting it like it was lighting

<v Speaker1>it on fire like it was it was popping and like bursting into flame um and we

<v Speaker1>like i i don't think the whole thing went up but we had to like move it into

<v Speaker1>shade so that it wouldn't explode.

<v Speaker2>Was that for Confederate rocket? Was that the myth?

<v Speaker0>Yeah.

<v Speaker1>God. Yeah.

<v Speaker0>Man, that myth was dangerous.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Yeah. There's so much on that one. Yeah. Remember the test at M7? Yeah.

<v Speaker2>Where the rocket went awry? When we smoked out the entire place?

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Yeah.

<v Speaker2>That's when, after that episode aired, that's when the fire department or the

<v Speaker2>health like OSHA some guy came from OSHA and like broke into our safety meeting

<v Speaker2>and they were like where's Tori?

<v Speaker1>Yeah

<v Speaker2>You guys.

<v Speaker1>In the middle of our safety meeting. Yeah.

<v Speaker2>Oh, my God.

<v Speaker0>Hey there, I want to interrupt for just a second. We are getting into a very sensitive topic here.

<v Speaker0>So I wanted to just caution you that we are going to be talking about torture.

<v Speaker0>And it's very sensitive.

<v Speaker0>And it was something that we filmed on the Mythbusters episode.

<v Speaker0>But it is actually something we have some regrets around. So just to give you

<v Speaker0>a little caution before this conversation goes any further.

<v Speaker0>Do you have any other memories of, like, wild stuff we put you on?

<v Speaker0>Because I imagine when you came in and you're like, oh, I'm going to be a researcher and a producer.

<v Speaker0>You didn't know you were going to be doing things like mixing gun cotton.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. No. One weird one was, and this was a yucky episode, but the unfortunately

<v Speaker1>titled Chinese Water Torture.

<v Speaker0>Oh, God. That episode was awful.

<v Speaker1>It was awful. But I don't know who, whether it was the higher ups at Beyond

<v Speaker1>or someone decided they wanted to have a torture expert on camera.

<v Speaker1>And I don't know if it ever made it on camera. I didn't see the episode.

<v Speaker2>No, it didn't.

<v Speaker1>But he wanted him to talk like he was an expert. And it turned out that I found a guy.

<v Speaker1>I didn't know. Where do I start? Amnesty?

<v Speaker1>Wow. But I found a guy who was willing to come on the show and talk about torture.

<v Speaker1>and it's so weird because we're we're

<v Speaker1>entertainment we're a tv show and it seemed

<v Speaker1>really almost disrespectful to to do this um but the guy was very kind he came

<v Speaker1>on he was very soft-spoken it turns out that he he himself was a victim of of

<v Speaker1>torture of some sort and maybe that's why why he was pursuing it in in legal action but the the

<v Speaker1>The thing that was so weird was at the time that I was asked to find a torture

<v Speaker1>expert, the same time as we had just learned about Abu Ghraib,

<v Speaker1>like the, the pictures of people like prisoners who are stacked like in pyramids

<v Speaker1>and being, you know, humiliated by us soldiers was half and waterboarding.

<v Speaker1>It was all like, that was, it was part of the conversation that was happening

<v Speaker1>at that time politically.

<v Speaker1>And here I am like, uh, uh,

<v Speaker1>Can you come on my show and talk about torture? We're going to

<v Speaker0>Have a little fun with some water torture, which I don't know if anybody really thought it through.

<v Speaker0>So the myth is that you're tied down and that a constant drip of water onto

<v Speaker0>your head can create madness.

<v Speaker0>And first of all, they wanted it to look really real. Like this whole thing

<v Speaker0>was like that. That episode shouldn't have happened.

<v Speaker0>They wanted it to look really real. So we created a table that was sort of burned.

<v Speaker2>I built like this old, like it was a, like a stretch.

<v Speaker2>What is that? That old table where, you know, they have two,

<v Speaker2>they tie your hands in your feet to the wheels and then they stretch you.

<v Speaker2>So they wanted it to look like an old torture device. So that was.

<v Speaker0>And it did.

<v Speaker2>That was the basis. And then we had straps. We were each. No,

<v Speaker2>we had shackles. Yeah, we were shackled to this table.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. And it was, the table had some splinters to it because it was,

<v Speaker0>it was supposed to look raw.

<v Speaker0>And I remember, like, into the experiment, I mean, this just must have been

<v Speaker0>hard to watch, but, like, into the experiment, I started crying.

<v Speaker0>And I'm like, no, I'm just going to make it through because it was actually freaking torture.

<v Speaker0>And then afterwards, yeah, I mean, Tori did a little bit better.

<v Speaker0>We kept trying to up it with, like, a stream of water.

<v Speaker0>But the whole thing was just, like, awful. And then, you know,

<v Speaker0>we got so caught up in the entertainment of it and, you know,

<v Speaker0>the cartoon like idea of it, because it was, you know,

<v Speaker0>it was definitely something had been used in movie tropes before that I don't

<v Speaker0>think any of us really understood like what we were doing.

<v Speaker0>And then when we all sat down with the torture expert and he's like,

<v Speaker0>why are you guys screwing around with this and started telling us real stories?

<v Speaker0>All of our hearts just kind of sank and we're like.

<v Speaker0>This is a terrible idea.

<v Speaker2>Do you remember how it happened? Like you brought him in. It was either me or

<v Speaker2>you. I think I might have been on the table at the time.

<v Speaker2>And he walked in and I just remembered you introducing your old.

<v Speaker2>This is our torture expert.

<v Speaker2>And he looked at us and it was like a father coming in and just disappointed by his kids.

<v Speaker2>And he looked at us and he was like.

<v Speaker2>Why are you guys doing this? Why are you doing? Like, he literally was just so, like, outraged.

<v Speaker2>That we were doing this. And we all just were like,

<v Speaker1>Because it's for television? I don't know.

<v Speaker0>Your producer told us to.

<v Speaker1>Oh, God. It was. Yeah. He was profoundly distressed.

<v Speaker2>Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. And rightfully so.

<v Speaker2>Rightfully so. And then he started telling us about, like, the dental torture

<v Speaker2>that he went through. And then we were just like.

<v Speaker1>Exactly. I'm so sorry.

<v Speaker2>We did this

<v Speaker1>Yeah yeah yeah we shouldn't be doing this i seem to recall he was also like

<v Speaker1>he had a story about quicksand and i was also working on the quicksand story

<v Speaker1>at the same time like he'd also experienced quicksand like gotten caught in

<v Speaker1>quicksand like the poor guy

<v Speaker2>You're all quick come with me you're not going to be upset with this one yeah

<v Speaker0>Right i feel like it really changed how we uh

<v Speaker0>we we started to assert our opinions about when a myth was bad at the onset

<v Speaker0>like we we definitely uh figured out like okay no we're not gonna do that and

<v Speaker0>it definitely laid some groundwork for us because that was that was a one-of-a-kind pretty awful yeah.

<v Speaker1>Yeah in the early wild west days of of the show

<v Speaker2>Well i i remember one thing he brought to our attention he goes look you guys are

<v Speaker2>you're make believing like this is you're playing torture in a real torture

<v Speaker2>situation you don't know if you're going to get out alive like you can never

<v Speaker2>test that in this experiment and that's why you'll never get to the bottom of

<v Speaker2>it and it was like god he's right like we could do

<v Speaker2>go through this horrible experience and it would suck.

<v Speaker2>But to know that someone's going to release you when you say I'm done,

<v Speaker2>you don't have that luxury in a real torture situation.

<v Speaker0>Do you have any more fun stories?

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<v Speaker0>What were your myths up at New Mexico Tech?

<v Speaker1>We blew up a cement truck with AMFO, like a huge amount of AMFO.

<v Speaker1>And that was really cool because the crew vehicles, which were parked like literally

<v Speaker1>a mile away, were all damaged.

<v Speaker1>Like they had pieces of fragment and shrapnel, like it just tore through them.

<v Speaker1>And it was it was hilarious because, you know, they're all rental cars from

<v Speaker1>Enterprise. and we're like driving them back to turn them in.

<v Speaker1>They're like, what happened?

<v Speaker1>You know, they're drivable, but they're just like, they had giant tears through

<v Speaker1>them. They're just shredded.

<v Speaker0>Oh my God, we did that a lot with rental cars. I know that when we were out

<v Speaker0>in the desert with our rental cars and we were trying to kick up a dust storm

<v Speaker0>by driving around in a circle for a mid-air.

<v Speaker1>I was in that circle, yeah.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, like the dust cloud was supposed to hide our heat signature and it was

<v Speaker0>from, what movie was that from?

<v Speaker1>I forget. It's a Ridley Scott movie with Leonardo DiCaprio.

<v Speaker0>Right. So they were switching cars so you didn't know where the kidnapped victim was going.

<v Speaker0>And it was a heat signature from a helicopter. So we had a helicopter above.

<v Speaker0>We were creating this big dust cloud.

<v Speaker0>And we created these ditches because the playa is really soft.

<v Speaker0>And one of the drivers had, I think it was Noble, had the car tire hit a ditch

<v Speaker0>and we rolled the car. And then we returned it to the rental agency.

<v Speaker2>No, that one did not get returned. That went to the junkyard.

<v Speaker2>I remember we were behind him. So Noble, you guys got to know who this guy is.

<v Speaker2>He was one of our builders on Mythbusters.

<v Speaker2>But he looked like he stepped out of Mad Max.

<v Speaker2>Like he looks like he looked like Mad Max.

<v Speaker2>We just always in black fatigues. And he just, he like chains.

<v Speaker2>I mean, he was hilarious.

<v Speaker2>So he was taking this experiment way too seriously and was like,

<v Speaker2>We learned that if you would turn the wheel and hit the gas,

<v Speaker2>it would kick up a huge cloud of dust.

<v Speaker2>And so he was just in it to win it. It was just like, and then he turned the

<v Speaker2>wheel too hard and he hit the gas too hard. And the whole thing just flipped.

<v Speaker2>And we were like, God, like, holy crap, they're dead.

<v Speaker0>Well, I mean, all those cars, the ones that we didn't flip, we definitely returned

<v Speaker0>very, very, very, very dirty.

<v Speaker0>They were a little worse for wear. I'm sure that there was a little bit of damage

<v Speaker0>done. I hope you guys got the extra insurance for that one.

<v Speaker0>I mean, if you don't return a car, how do you explain that?

<v Speaker1>Yeah. We lost it.

<v Speaker2>Do you remember Noble? So we had Noble And then John was another producer On

<v Speaker2>the show they were both in that

<v Speaker2>Vehicle and I just Remember the two of them The way they reacted Noble jumped out and like was all

<v Speaker2>like that was awesome everyone okay and john came out like in shock he was just like what

<v Speaker1>Happened yeah yeah yeah

<v Speaker1>his shoulder was pretty banged up on that one that

<v Speaker1>was terrifying because as we were driving around in the circle like and the

<v Speaker1>dust is being generated you can't see how close you are to the car in front

<v Speaker1>of you yeah like eventually you'll see the the the taillights but you can't

<v Speaker1>see them until you're right on top of it. And so it was it was kind of scary.

<v Speaker1>And everyone on the radio is going, we have to go faster. We have to go faster.

<v Speaker1>So you're like trying to go faster and you're terrified.

<v Speaker2>I can't see the car in front of me.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Right.

<v Speaker0>Trying to remember if there was ever a time where you said no,

<v Speaker0>like, guys, that's that's just not going to happen because no matter what it

<v Speaker0>was, like, you'd be like, oh, we'd be like, hey, we need a civil war rifle.

<v Speaker0>And you're like, OK, hey, we need a pig stomach with all of the tubes attached.

<v Speaker0>OK, we need 10 cars and this many pounds of explosives.

<v Speaker0>OK, yeah. Do you ever remember saying no to us like that is ridiculous?

<v Speaker0>We'll never get a race car and a major league baseball player like what?

<v Speaker1>Oh, that's a good one. Doing the F1 car in a wind tunnel upside down.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. To show the downforce.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Uh, there was always an idea to try to do this in a wind tunnel,

<v Speaker1>um, which is conceivable.

<v Speaker1>Like it should work, but I couldn't, that one I couldn't make happen.

<v Speaker1>Um, the people at the wind tunnel places were all like, uh, uh,

<v Speaker1>like didn't matter if they were fans of the show.

<v Speaker1>Right. Like this cost a billion dollars.

<v Speaker1>you know you're not gonna put an F1 race car over here upside down and hope that it's gonna work

<v Speaker2>The elusive F1 upside down myth it still haunts us to this day like it's one

<v Speaker2>of those that everybody it always comes up because it's just like

<v Speaker2>Like, would it work? Like, all we need to do is get a self-driving F1 car and a Helix ramp.

<v Speaker2>You know, let's do it. You know, it's just, it's always eluded us.

<v Speaker0>Tori, we need a Kickstarter. Maybe the fans can do a Kickstarter so we can do

<v Speaker0>one more episode for a billion dollars.

<v Speaker0>Just raise enough money so that we can get this done. I mean,

<v Speaker0>Eric's already got the contacts. We got the will.

<v Speaker2>So we used to do a lot of stuff at the Bomb Range. And the bomb range,

<v Speaker2>it was this weird soil where it was like when it would get wet,

<v Speaker2>if it had just rained, it turned into like crazy, almost like quick sand mud.

<v Speaker2>Your leg would just go straight into it. But it was also just very uneven.

<v Speaker2>And I remember there was this one time and it was a dry day.

<v Speaker2>So it wasn't like it was muddy, but you were walking up from the bomb range up onto the road.

<v Speaker2>and you just like you just twisted just

<v Speaker2>wrong enough and you went down on

<v Speaker2>the ground you're like ah oh i just

<v Speaker2>remember and i looked down and we were screaming we're like paramedic paramedic

<v Speaker2>and he just kind of calmly walked down the road and we're like run and he got

<v Speaker2>to us and goes if i run and fall then i can't help him and we're like yeah all

<v Speaker2>right good point but then i I don't know if he cut open your pant leg or just rolled it up,

<v Speaker2>but your kneecap was to the side of your leg.

<v Speaker2>Like it had moved over to the side and it, I turned white.

<v Speaker2>You were white. We're all just like, oh my God.

<v Speaker0>I have flashbacks of this all the time. I remember I was just wrecked for a

<v Speaker0>while because it was just like a game. It was like, oh God, oh God, I can feel your pain.

<v Speaker0>And I can't believe that of all the injuries on set, like you get injured.

<v Speaker0>Like, you're behind the scenes and you got seriously jacked up.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. And that was so dumb too. Like I've, I've walked and jogged and run all

<v Speaker1>over the bomb range before.

<v Speaker1>And I'm, I'm just like you guys, very familiar with the terrain.

<v Speaker1>Um, it was just a, uh, you know, I needed to talk to JD.

<v Speaker1>JD was up on the road and I was running up from that little gully area and the,

<v Speaker1>the earth was dry and, um,

<v Speaker1>it just kind of slipped out from under me and, and just, I've never had a knee

<v Speaker1>injury like that. And it just slipped out.

<v Speaker1>And I totally remember...

<v Speaker1>going.

<v Speaker1>And it wasn't from pain. I don't remember feeling any pain at all.

<v Speaker1>It wasn't until hours later that I felt pain.

<v Speaker1>It was more looking down and being completely grossed out by what I was looking at.

<v Speaker1>Like the leg was completely bent in a way that it wasn't supposed to be.

<v Speaker1>So it's like a horror movie. I was suddenly looking at my leg in a horror movie.

<v Speaker2>It was the pure horror.

<v Speaker2>But the paramedic, when we were out on the bomb range and that happened,

<v Speaker2>the paramedic popped it back in, right?

<v Speaker1>Yeah, he did. He told me afterwards he wasn't supposed to do that.

<v Speaker1>Like, he's supposed to take me to the hospital if something like that happens.

<v Speaker1>But he's done it many times before. He knew what to do.

<v Speaker1>He was very calm. And when you mentioned that he walked there,

<v Speaker1>like, walked very slowly, yeah, that's what they're trained to do.

<v Speaker1>Like, just assess the situation as they're approaching. and he

<v Speaker1>just yeah he just popped my knee back in and it was fine and i was on adrenaline

<v Speaker1>at that point so i like i'm popping up and like okay let's let's get back to

<v Speaker1>it okay next shot and everyone's looking at me like you're all sweaty white your face

<v Speaker2>Is all pale all right let's get to work

<v Speaker0>Myth buster through with some trauma bonding like all of us have become such

<v Speaker0>family because I don't think that, you know, when you go through something like,

<v Speaker0>oh, I went ziplining with my friends. It brought us closer.

<v Speaker0>Like the stuff we were doing was like so much adrenaline and so much work that

<v Speaker0>all of us kind of stayed really, really hardcore friends after that.

<v Speaker0>I know that like you've been working with like behind the scenes crew at many other jobs.

<v Speaker0>Like we're all just such good friends over the year. And it's so awesome.

<v Speaker0>I remember when I went on maternity leave, I missed you guys so hard because

<v Speaker0>you were like, I spent more time with you guys than my family.

<v Speaker0>And I had a very special spot in my heart for you, Eric, because I,

<v Speaker0>You don't have kids. And I remember just having so much fun always kind of fucking

<v Speaker0>with you because like your gross factor wasn't very high.

<v Speaker0>So I would be bored at home. Not that maternity leave is bored. Oh, yeah.

<v Speaker0>Took pictures of her all day. But every now and then she slept a lot.

<v Speaker0>So every now and then I would just send you gross pictures, but with like really mundane, sweet titles.

<v Speaker0>And this was before malware and, you know, a picture of a puppy might turn your

<v Speaker0>computer on and take all of your information. So you saw a little,

<v Speaker0>little, little JPEG that said, open here, picture of Stella's first house. Do you remember that?

<v Speaker1>I think so.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. It was just a bucket of my bloody placenta bag. And I just remember everybody was like.

<v Speaker2>Geez, Carrie. That could be considered harassment now.

<v Speaker0>I got a whole bunch of texts that were just like, oh, that freaked out Eric hard.

<v Speaker0>I feel like we don't have an HR department back then for a reason.

<v Speaker1>Oh, yeah. Yeah. Things were different back then. Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Well, you know, we went through so much together, but we're also working on

<v Speaker1>this weird show that hadn't been done before.

<v Speaker1>And we're doing it for what we thought was a good cause, you know,

<v Speaker1>like with entertainment and with science.

<v Speaker1>So I think that it was a huge bonding experience, something that, that,

<v Speaker1>It was different than any other job. And we kind of self-selected for our crew.

<v Speaker1>Like, the other people behind the scenes were all, like, friends of friends.

<v Speaker1>And if they weren't, like, and they didn't work out, they'd kind of cycle out. Yeah.

<v Speaker1>So we ended up having this really close-knit crew that would do anything for each other.

<v Speaker1>And, like, it really felt that way when you're out in the middle of nowhere

<v Speaker1>and you have to get shit done.

<v Speaker0>Oh, you had to be calm. You had to be hard. You had to take things not so seriously.

<v Speaker0>You had to have a cool head. And you definitely had to have a sense of humor.

<v Speaker0>Like a really strong sense of humor.

<v Speaker2>Your sense of humor was my favorite because you were just always so dry.

<v Speaker2>And you would hammer people. I remember one time, this might have been when

<v Speaker2>we were out at the playa, at Burning Man, that playa there.

<v Speaker2>So I remember when we were out at the desert, one of our producers had gone

<v Speaker2>up to some hot springs that were nearby.

<v Speaker2>and they spent the night out there underneath the stars and who knows they were

<v Speaker2>like getting nude and doing drugs

<v Speaker2>supposedly and so the next day we're all out on the playa and it was like midday

<v Speaker2>and this producer looks up and she's like oh my god it's a solar flare and Eric

<v Speaker2>you're just like you're still high off your drugs there's no solar flare and

<v Speaker2>then you looked up and you're like oh god look it's a solar flare

<v Speaker1>Yeah I remember that

<v Speaker1>it was so good yeah you're such an idiot that's not a hey it's solar flare

<v Speaker1>is

<v Speaker0>It true that uh because you used to wear a fedora when you'd walk around with

<v Speaker0>us that people thought you were adam.

<v Speaker1>Oh yeah yeah you know i have to say i'm still mistaken for adam to this day

<v Speaker1>just literally two weeks ago i i was mistaken for for adam out out in public they're like, hey,

<v Speaker1>anyone ever tell you you look a lot like Adam Savage? I'm like, hey.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, yeah, I get that. As a matter of fact. They don't even know how close they are.

<v Speaker1>Like, by the way. One person removed. Yeah, I worked with them.

<v Speaker1>I'm a producer on the show.

<v Speaker1>They have no idea.

<v Speaker0>You should just like make their day. Be like, I am Adam Savage and take that picture.

<v Speaker0>They won't figure it out for a long time till they post it. Okay,

<v Speaker0>lightning round. Favorite myth?

<v Speaker1>Gorn cannon.

<v Speaker2>Yeah.

<v Speaker0>Favorite prop?

<v Speaker2>Gorn cannon.

<v Speaker1>Yeah.

<v Speaker0>Hardest build?

<v Speaker1>Ice cannon was kind of hard.

<v Speaker0>Worst smell.

<v Speaker1>Ear candle.

<v Speaker2>Yeah, earwax. Disgusting.

<v Speaker1>That was the worst.

<v Speaker2>That was the worst.

<v Speaker0>That was the worst. But favorite Mythbuster?

<v Speaker1>You, Carrie.

<v Speaker2>That's an easy one.

<v Speaker0>I know, it was me. It was me. I know. Oh, Eric, you were one of my favorite people.

<v Speaker0>I miss you so much. Thank you so much for doing our podcast.

<v Speaker2>Yeah, so good to see you.

<v Speaker0>Behind the scenes magic.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, so great to see you guys, talk with you guys and, you know,

<v Speaker1>relive some of these memories.

<v Speaker2>Yeah, we miss you, dude. Good to see you.

<v Speaker1>Miss you guys, too.

<v Speaker2>Thank you.

<v Speaker0>Everybody stick around because when we come back, we're going to answer a fan question.

<v Speaker2>Carrie, do you remember I showed you a picture of my little chihuahua and he'd

<v Speaker2>gotten a hold of the sausage and he couldn't get it down? It was like too big for his mouth.

<v Speaker0>It was so cute.

<v Speaker2>Well, that little guy will literally eat anything. But here's the thing.

<v Speaker2>Just because he'll eat anything doesn't mean it's always good for him.

<v Speaker0>He's old. Does he have like teeth problems?

<v Speaker2>Does he have teeth that's the real question he's got like he's got like two left that's it poor guy

<v Speaker0>Well i'll tell you one thing uh so my dog currently eats

<v Speaker0>sundays for dogs and uh i i switched recently because she's you know she's really

<v Speaker0>sensitive she's a little pure red staffy and so she really easily gets like

<v Speaker0>itchy paws and stuff so i i decided to level up and uh it's i've seen a huge improvement.

<v Speaker0>Mostly the dog loves it. It's kind of like a bowl of beef jerky is what it looks like.

<v Speaker2>Do I got to send you a picture of my dog? Because his teeth have fallen out,

<v Speaker2>his tongue is constantly stuck.

<v Speaker0>Oh my God. Are you kidding me? You've got the tongue on the side dog.

<v Speaker2>That's so cute.

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<v Speaker0>And we're definitely going to post pictures of our dogs. So lucky.

<v Speaker2>Yes, it will.

<v Speaker2>Carrie. Oh, my. That was so great to see Eric.

<v Speaker0>I love it when we talk to people who used to work on Mythbusters because it's

<v Speaker0>just like a little reunion and they have memories that I just don't remember it's so fun and.

<v Speaker2>I just I forgot how much I miss hanging out with them like you know yeah I haven't

<v Speaker2>I think we the last time we saw him was at J.D.

<v Speaker2>Nelson the bomb range the bomb techs

<v Speaker2>retirement party. We saw a whole bunch of people from Mythbusters and that was

<v Speaker2>the first time I'd seen him in years, probably like almost a decade.

<v Speaker2>And I just forget how much fun he is to hang out with.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, we all, you know, in the office of Mythbusters, we had our desks arranged

<v Speaker0>in like these little islands. So it was your desk pushed up against Matt Korgodova's

<v Speaker0>desk and Eric Haven's desk.

<v Speaker0>Like the three of you had something you guys called Man Island.

<v Speaker0>And then I was over in the corner with like Linda pushed up against my desk.

<v Speaker0>So we kind of had our little island over there.

<v Speaker0>And I remember you guys just used to joke around all the time,

<v Speaker0>whether you were tasering each other or like putting on silly hats or something

<v Speaker0>like you guys were just goofballs over there.

<v Speaker2>Yeah, we had our little man island. It was it was a good that was a good time.

<v Speaker0>You guys used to do Movember. I remember you guys started growing awkward mustaches every November.

<v Speaker2>Did I?

<v Speaker0>Yes. We made, but like. You know what?

<v Speaker2>I didn't do the mustache. I did the full beard.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, but I mean, for you though.

<v Speaker2>I went full beard.

<v Speaker0>I've never met anybody with a more aggressive five o'clock shadow than you.

<v Speaker0>Like in the beginning of the day versus the end of the day, like legitimately

<v Speaker0>you had a beard by the end of the day.

<v Speaker0>So Movember could have just been you cheating. Like you could have just.

<v Speaker2>Just not shaving that day.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. For like two days.

<v Speaker2>Do you remember we had a director who we were doing an interview and she's like.

<v Speaker2>um can we check there's something shading his face just like from his like nose

<v Speaker2>down and we're all looking at each other we're like it's my five o'clock shadow like

<v Speaker2>and it literally was from the morning to the afternoon you're

<v Speaker0>Just too mannish.

<v Speaker2>Tori Sicilian it's the Sicilian of you all right are we ready for our fan question yeah

<v Speaker0>You guys thank you for sending in a video we have one that came in through the

<v Speaker0>website actually that's where we're Collecting questions now.

<v Speaker0>And we've got a good one. All right.

<v Speaker1>Hi, Carrie and Tori. I'm just curious how often you had people snooping around

<v Speaker1>the workshop or snooping around other work locations where you might be at.

<v Speaker1>I was in San Francisco once, maybe in 2010 with my brother, and we got fairly

<v Speaker1>close to where we thought you might be after Googling it.

<v Speaker1>But I didn't want to stop too close or stop in because I didn't want to bother

<v Speaker1>you guys. Thanks for taking my question.

<v Speaker2>That's a good question. Thanks. Thanks for that question.

<v Speaker0>The shop is, you know, just like a warehouse, but it says M5 Industries out the front.

<v Speaker0>But like, I, I think, I think after a while, I remember fans started showing

<v Speaker0>up and taking selfies in front of the door, but you couldn't really,

<v Speaker0>there was no doorbell to get in. It was just like Fort Knox.

<v Speaker2>Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Yep.

<v Speaker2>Totally. I remember there was one guy that had been, this was, this was a little weird.

<v Speaker2>I don't know if you remember this because, so M5 was at one location and then

<v Speaker2>we were M7, which is a completely different location. blocks away from Jamie's shop.

<v Speaker2>We didn't get that many surprise guests because they would always go to M5.

<v Speaker2>Obviously the sign was out front.

<v Speaker2>They knew where to go. Where ours was tucked away.

<v Speaker2>We didn't get a lot of surprises. But I remember one time there was this guy

<v Speaker2>who had been messaging me weird stuff.

<v Speaker2>I think this was during the MySpace days. Remember MySpace?

<v Speaker2>And all of a sudden I get a call and he was just saying weird stuff. And I was like,

<v Speaker2>Keep an eye out for this person, whatever. All of a sudden, I get a call from

<v Speaker2>M5, and they're like, Tori, no need to worry, but there's a guy here with his

<v Speaker2>parents. We called the police.

<v Speaker2>They're explaining what the situation is. Apparently, this guy had told his

<v Speaker2>parents. They were from Spain.

<v Speaker2>He said they were taking him to see his friend in San Francisco.

<v Speaker2>He might have not been all there mentally.

<v Speaker2>And so the police showed up, and they explained it to the parents.

<v Speaker2>And the parents, they felt terrible. But this poor guy, he like came all the

<v Speaker2>way to San Francisco to see his friend,

<v Speaker1>Me.

<v Speaker0>Oh, wow.

<v Speaker2>Yeah, it was kind of weird.

<v Speaker0>I know there was, because we had some very distinct locations and we always named them in the show.

<v Speaker0>There was a while where I believe the fan club was doing kind of a little tour

<v Speaker0>of places that we would do.

<v Speaker2>Oh, that's cool.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, like you could roll around and see like, oh, here's the Alameda runway.

<v Speaker0>Oh, here's where they did this.

<v Speaker0>Here's where they did that. So it was kind of like a fun little Bay Area tour

<v Speaker0>because we are so Bay Area.

<v Speaker0>So like it was definite locations that we used over and over and over.

<v Speaker0>But I can't imagine that you'd be like, oh, my God, I want to go to San Francisco.

<v Speaker0>Let's go see the bomb range in Dublin, the Alameda runway.

<v Speaker0>Let's go over to Jamie's shop. He's definitely not answering the door.

<v Speaker0>Oh, that was that that would have been. Yeah. Yeah. We've definitely had some

<v Speaker0>stragglers coming in every now and then, though, we would be out front.

<v Speaker0>And I took some pictures with people. Didn't you? Yeah.

<v Speaker2>Everybody was always so nice. Like they would just show up and be like,

<v Speaker2>hey, I found you guys. I just want to say hi.

<v Speaker2>And we would take photos and they were they were super, super friendly.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. I mean, mostly was we've had a lot of visitors come through the show.

<v Speaker0>Like somebody would know somebody or a friend of a friend or a Make-A-Wish Foundation

<v Speaker0>would come through or a couple of class trips.

<v Speaker0>I always, you know, when my daughter was little, like I was like.

<v Speaker0>preschoolers there is do you just want to you just want to come see the shop

<v Speaker0>the preschoolers don't want to come see the shop right.

<v Speaker2>They're not watching the show

<v Speaker0>I'm like buddy you could just come on go go come on

<v Speaker0>in we had we had some fun people like famous comedians and

<v Speaker0>and just like people were like wanted to come get little tours and it was always

<v Speaker0>it was always kind of fun showing a shop around because it was not a open set

<v Speaker0>it wasn't like i don't know it wasn't like a hollywood thing to come visit it

<v Speaker0>was just a dirty shop and the first thing everybody always said when they walked

<v Speaker0>in they're like whoa i thought it would be fancier yeah.

<v Speaker2>Right you thought it was a tv set no

<v Speaker0>No it's just a workshop and then the offices had uh that the the like the the

<v Speaker0>the ceiling were those tiles that you would have in elementary school that were

<v Speaker0>made of cork that you'd throw the pencils up and then they would which.

<v Speaker2>We did we did which we did up into

<v Speaker0>Yeah every now and And then a pencil would just, like, drop from the ceiling.

<v Speaker2>That was good times.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, it was just, like, you know, gross carpet and bad lighting and just,

<v Speaker0>you know, it was an industrial office and shop. But, hey, if you wanted to come by.

<v Speaker2>See, you should have just come. You and your brother should have just popped

<v Speaker2>in. We would have been like,

<v Speaker0>Hey, what's up?

<v Speaker2>We wouldn't have had any problem with it.

<v Speaker0>Nah, it's too late now. But, hey, you ever see Tori out at the Home Depot? Just come say hello.

<v Speaker2>Come up and say hi. Well, thank you guys again. This has been fun. Carrie, good to see you.

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