Speaker0: I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild, wild stuff.
Speaker0: Because behind the scenes, everybody kicked in. So we did a myth with gun cotton
Speaker0: for an old-timey rocket.
Speaker1: Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker0: We had to create some very noxious, toxic gases when we were mixing the gun
Speaker0: cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets.
Speaker0: I heard some mythology about how that gun cotton was created.
Speaker1: Yeah.
Speaker0: You're allowed to tell the stories now. The show's off the air.
Speaker1: Welcome, MythFits.
Speaker2: Hi, Carrie. How are you doing today?
Speaker0: Why are you talking like Steve Burns from Blue's Clues?
Speaker2: Ever since we interviewed him, I want to start every episode.
Speaker1: Hi, Mythfits.
Speaker2: Mythfits. How are you guys doing?
Speaker0: Welcome, Mythfits. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Carrie Byron.
Speaker0: This is Troy Belichi. We've known each other since Mythbusters,
Speaker0: so we'll probably talk about that a bunch.
Speaker2: Welcome back. And if you're a first-time listener, welcome. And Carrie,
Speaker2: how are you doing today? Why are you smelling cinnamon?
Speaker0: This is the weirdest thing. I was shopping. I was like trying to,
Speaker0: my daughter likes some stuff from Trader Joe's.
Speaker0: So I stopped by when I was, after I was leaving suburbia and visiting my sister.
Speaker1: And she's like, have you seen these whisks?
Speaker0: I'm like, what the heck is that? It's like, it's a little tiny whisk broom that
Speaker0: smells like cinnamon. I don't understand what you do with it.
Speaker0: I don't get it. I don't know if there's
Speaker0: some sort of Thanksgiving item or something, but it smells amazing.
Speaker0: It's just, it's a cinnamon whisk. Have you seen this? What is this for?
Speaker2: No, no. But you know what? It's tis the season of pumpkin lattes.
Speaker2: I mean, everything is pumpkin flavored. Have you ever had a pumpkin latte?
Speaker0: Well, you know what I've had is pumpkin and it tastes nothing like all of this pumpkin spice stuff.
Speaker0: Why don't they just make it like cinnamon season? Because I just pumpkin's disgusting.
Speaker0: Like it's it's it's gooey. It's gross. It's something I'll put on my dog's food
Speaker0: when her stomach is sick. Like what? Why a pumpkin latte? I don't get it.
Speaker2: I don't get it. I don't I don't either. But everyone was like,
Speaker2: oh, pumpkin latte, pumpkin latte. I'm going to get a pumpkin latte.
Speaker2: So I was like, you know what?
Speaker2: there's everybody's talking about it there's got to be something to it so i'm
Speaker2: going to get one it was the like the worst thing i've ever had it really a sugar
Speaker2: bomb i had the worst headache for the rest of the day i felt sick to my stomach
Speaker2: i was like who came up with this god-awful
Speaker2: formula of pumpkin latte this is the dumbest thing ever guess
Speaker0: Who's never advertising on our show.
Speaker2: I'm not saying where I got the pumpkin latte Oh that
Speaker0: Is true That is true I'm sure it could be anywhere You just assume That makes a sugar bomb,
Speaker0: latte.
Speaker0: How do you take your coffee? I mean, since Mythbusters, I'm like just hardcore, thick black coffee.
Speaker0: I love the cheaper, the better for some reason.
Speaker2: Did you say thick?
Speaker0: Yeah. Like coffee, super strong, like black coffee.
Speaker0: Like, like every time I make coffee, everybody's like, whoa, that is strong.
Speaker0: Like I just, I just remember like getting up for Mythbusters.
Speaker0: You knew you had a big, hard, long day.
Speaker0: And it was just, I just needed to kickstart.
Speaker0: So I would make my coffee almost like with the grounds in it.
Speaker0: Like if I was picking grounds out of my teeth, that's how strong my coffee had
Speaker0: to be. And to this day, it's just like straight trucker coffee.
Speaker0: Got my Rick and Morty mug here. I'm ready to do it.
Speaker2: No, my go-to is a flat white every day. It's like shots of espresso and a little
Speaker2: bit of warmed milk. A flat white. My go-to? You're so fancy.
Speaker2: My go-to is a flat white all the time.
Speaker2: I like my fancy coffees.
Speaker0: You like your fancy coffee.
Speaker2: Carrie, our guest today, we have a very, very close friend of ours who was very
Speaker2: close to the show. He was one of our producers for many years,
Speaker2: starting when we started on season two. He came on as a producer.
Speaker2: Are you excited to talk to?
Speaker0: This is an infamous member of the Mythbusters because he did all of our blueprints.
Speaker0: Like this guy, like he is so important to the show because his comic book style,
Speaker0: like he's a comic book artist in his his real life.
Speaker0: So getting to to do all of our blueprints, he really upped our game.
Speaker0: Yeah, totally. Oh, my God.
Speaker2: Our drawings sucked compared to his. And so whenever you would see the episode
Speaker2: And you would see the hand Drawing the blueprint That was this producer
Speaker0: He's the hand That's his appearance in our shows He's the hand And don't forget
Speaker0: Stick around to the end of the episode Because that's when we answer all of
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Speaker0: Please post your questions Like, subscribe, follow, all that And if you want,
Speaker0: we might add you in the show Do it Next up, Eric Haven,
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Speaker2: Now, our guest that we have on today is one of the brilliant producers from
Speaker2: Mythbusters, our good friend, Eric Haven. Eric, how the heck are you?
Speaker1: Hello. Hi, Tori. Hi, Carrie. I'm doing well. How are you guys?
Speaker1: You guys are doing really well.
Speaker2: It's so good to see you.
Speaker0: Yeah, we're just, you know, being parents, doing podcasts. Yeah, wow.
Speaker0: I don't think a lot of people know, actually, our fans, they all know,
Speaker0: this is the gentleman who does all of the blueprints after Tori and I used to
Speaker0: do the chicken scratch of blueprints when they started getting good.
Speaker0: It's because Eric Haven was drawing them.
Speaker1: Yeah, that was a fun gig, doing those blueprint drawings. But you guys were
Speaker1: so talented. I don't know why you didn't keep doing it.
Speaker2: I think they wanted to be able to tell what the drawing was.
Speaker0: I mean, they stopped kind of being planning. And, you know, because at first
Speaker0: we were just kind of working through stuff on the blueprint table.
Speaker0: But then when they wanted it to look like really cool sort of interstitials
Speaker0: or like the name of the actual episode, like you did such great comic book art.
Speaker0: You've got a background in comic books, right? Right.
Speaker1: Yeah, that's right. So I brought that kind of ethos to the blueprint drawings,
Speaker1: which you're right before it would kind of show how the device is going to work
Speaker1: or what you're trying to do.
Speaker1: And I was just like, oh, it's called ice cannon and show an ice cannon blowing
Speaker1: up or something because I didn't know how anything worked.
Speaker1: But I was a comic book guy, so I could draw in that way.
Speaker1: So that's that's why they all ended up that way.
Speaker0: So, Eric, you are a producer on the show. For people who don't know what a producer
Speaker0: does, what was the day-to-day activity for you? What does a producer do on Mythbusters?
Speaker1: Uh you source the location you source
Speaker1: the talent you source the um the
Speaker1: items or the the stuff that you'll
Speaker1: be building so it's just kind of putting the show together as a puzzle piece
Speaker1: like where are you going to shoot it where is the where is the best place to
Speaker1: do this and who are the best people to do it with like what kind of experts
Speaker1: will we need and then how do you get the stuff that you're going to need,
Speaker1: like whether it's outrageous chemicals or explosive stuff.
Speaker1: So that's what it was. It was just basically sourcing and procuring stuff.
Speaker0: And the occasional mixing of gun cotton.
Speaker1: Yeah, yeah. And along the way, you start to talk to the same people over and over again.
Speaker1: You start to engender a relationship almost where you can tell them what you
Speaker1: need and they're not going to be thinking you're crazy or a terrorist or something.
Speaker1: they're more going to be helpful. And so that was a lot of fun.
Speaker0: So you knew Tori and Grant and Adam and Jamie, you knew them all before Mythbusters.
Speaker0: What was your impression of them when you first met them? Were you guys like
Speaker0: instantly friends or were they the weirdos that you would watch from where all of the suits lived?
Speaker0: Like, what was the jam? Take me back.
Speaker1: I don't think I knew Tori. I don't think that we had ever talked at ILM.
Speaker1: I had talked to Grant and I knew Adam. We had talked a few times and I hadn't met Jamie at all.
Speaker1: My first time meeting Jamie was at M5 and it was probably on the first day or the second day.
Speaker1: And I had done, I had gotten some kind of weird paint or something that we needed.
Speaker1: I don't remember what the application was, but it wasn't exactly what he wanted.
Speaker1: And I came up to him, like trying to explain, like, this isn't the bright blue
Speaker1: color and it's not going to work the same way.
Speaker1: And Jamie has really clear eyes and he was just looking at me, uh,
Speaker1: And I didn't know what to do. Like, I hadn't met him before.
Speaker1: So I wasn't sure how to deal with this individual.
Speaker1: And I was just went back to it. And like, I think it will work.
Speaker1: If you want me to get something else, I can get something else.
Speaker1: And again, he was just looking at me. Through you.
Speaker1: Yeah. Through me, I was turned into, like,
Speaker1: he was looking at my internal structures, my organs,
Speaker1: even the atoms that make me up uh and you know making decisions and calculations
Speaker1: in his mind how how he should address this i don't remember what the outcome
Speaker1: was but i just remember being like so uh
Speaker1: unsettled by the experience of trying to i didn't know i i didn't i didn't know
Speaker1: how to interact with him but shortly thereafter i realized how to engage with
Speaker1: jamie and you know um yeah you can just talk about uh universal joints and stuff
Speaker1: and he'll he'll he'll ease off to the races
Speaker0: I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild wild stuff like our because
Speaker0: behind the scenes everybody,
Speaker0: kicked in so when things like we
Speaker0: did a myth with gun cotton for an old
Speaker0: time oh wow yeah and it was
Speaker0: it was some uh we had to create some very noxious toxic
Speaker0: gases uh when we were mixing the
Speaker0: gun cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets and when you were on set
Speaker0: i heard some some mythology about how uh that gun cotton was created yeah you're
Speaker0: allowed to tell the stories now the show's off the air we can't get sued anymore how many.
Speaker2: Years of your life have you lost from that that that experience
Speaker1: Oh my god i i'm i'm surprised you guys remember that like oh wow that's something
Speaker1: that i've kind of put out of my mind
Speaker0: Dude i remember because the small scale experiment when
Speaker0: we were doing it just in the shop right grant's girlfriend
Speaker0: was like a chemical engineer she she she came in and she's like what are you
Speaker0: guys doing like we were doing it in the sink in the shop and she was just like
Speaker0: you don't have any of the right equipment like this is toxic and then like i
Speaker0: think they give you guys some respirators and they're like go make it on set no.
Speaker1: No respirators we didn't even have respirators like we we should have had respirators
Speaker1: and like a hood yeah like a exhaust hood
Speaker1: But no, we're in a bathroom in a hotel outside Mojave Desert.
Speaker1: And just I'm sure people have made worse stuff in the bathtubs.
Speaker2: Outside of the Mojave Desert.
Speaker1: In the hotels outside Mojave Desert. But yeah, we made gun cotton in there.
Speaker1: I remember me and Danny D, maybe John Hunt and Peter.
Speaker1: We were in there like running the nitric acid through a bath and the fumes it
Speaker1: was given off were, yeah,
Speaker1: I guess not only toxic, but possibly like deadly. Yeah.
Speaker2: That's why you probably can't remember that. Your memory of that is foggy.
Speaker1: Yeah. But I remember the stuff, it worked. Like we collected it.
Speaker1: dried it brought it out to location and
Speaker1: it was in a my memory of it i unless
Speaker1: i'm misremembering it it was in a pyrex bowl of
Speaker1: some sort and um we had it off
Speaker1: to the side out in the open and as the sun started hitting it like it was lighting
Speaker1: it on fire like it was it was popping and like bursting into flame um and we
Speaker1: like i i don't think the whole thing went up but we had to like move it into
Speaker1: shade so that it wouldn't explode.
Speaker2: Was that for Confederate rocket? Was that the myth?
Speaker0: Yeah.
Speaker1: God. Yeah.
Speaker0: Man, that myth was dangerous.
Speaker1: Yeah. Yeah. There's so much on that one. Yeah. Remember the test at M7? Yeah.
Speaker2: Where the rocket went awry? When we smoked out the entire place?
Speaker1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker2: That's when, after that episode aired, that's when the fire department or the
Speaker2: health like OSHA some guy came from OSHA and like broke into our safety meeting
Speaker2: and they were like where's Tori?
Speaker1: Yeah
Speaker2: You guys.
Speaker1: In the middle of our safety meeting. Yeah.
Speaker2: Oh, my God.
Speaker0: Hey there, I want to interrupt for just a second. We are getting into a very sensitive topic here.
Speaker0: So I wanted to just caution you that we are going to be talking about torture.
Speaker0: And it's very sensitive.
Speaker0: And it was something that we filmed on the Mythbusters episode.
Speaker0: But it is actually something we have some regrets around. So just to give you
Speaker0: a little caution before this conversation goes any further.
Speaker0: Do you have any other memories of, like, wild stuff we put you on?
Speaker0: Because I imagine when you came in and you're like, oh, I'm going to be a researcher and a producer.
Speaker0: You didn't know you were going to be doing things like mixing gun cotton.
Speaker1: Yeah. No. One weird one was, and this was a yucky episode, but the unfortunately
Speaker1: titled Chinese Water Torture.
Speaker0: Oh, God. That episode was awful.
Speaker1: It was awful. But I don't know who, whether it was the higher ups at Beyond
Speaker1: or someone decided they wanted to have a torture expert on camera.
Speaker1: And I don't know if it ever made it on camera. I didn't see the episode.
Speaker2: No, it didn't.
Speaker1: But he wanted him to talk like he was an expert. And it turned out that I found a guy.
Speaker1: I didn't know. Where do I start? Amnesty?
Speaker1: Wow. But I found a guy who was willing to come on the show and talk about torture.
Speaker1: and it's so weird because we're we're
Speaker1: entertainment we're a tv show and it seemed
Speaker1: really almost disrespectful to to do this um but the guy was very kind he came
Speaker1: on he was very soft-spoken it turns out that he he himself was a victim of of
Speaker1: torture of some sort and maybe that's why why he was pursuing it in in legal action but the the
Speaker1: The thing that was so weird was at the time that I was asked to find a torture
Speaker1: expert, the same time as we had just learned about Abu Ghraib,
Speaker1: like the, the pictures of people like prisoners who are stacked like in pyramids
Speaker1: and being, you know, humiliated by us soldiers was half and waterboarding.
Speaker1: It was all like, that was, it was part of the conversation that was happening
Speaker1: at that time politically.
Speaker1: And here I am like, uh, uh,
Speaker1: Can you come on my show and talk about torture? We're going to
Speaker0: Have a little fun with some water torture, which I don't know if anybody really thought it through.
Speaker0: So the myth is that you're tied down and that a constant drip of water onto
Speaker0: your head can create madness.
Speaker0: And first of all, they wanted it to look really real. Like this whole thing
Speaker0: was like that. That episode shouldn't have happened.
Speaker0: They wanted it to look really real. So we created a table that was sort of burned.
Speaker2: I built like this old, like it was a, like a stretch.
Speaker2: What is that? That old table where, you know, they have two,
Speaker2: they tie your hands in your feet to the wheels and then they stretch you.
Speaker2: So they wanted it to look like an old torture device. So that was.
Speaker0: And it did.
Speaker2: That was the basis. And then we had straps. We were each. No,
Speaker2: we had shackles. Yeah, we were shackled to this table.
Speaker0: Yeah. And it was, the table had some splinters to it because it was,
Speaker0: it was supposed to look raw.
Speaker0: And I remember, like, into the experiment, I mean, this just must have been
Speaker0: hard to watch, but, like, into the experiment, I started crying.
Speaker0: And I'm like, no, I'm just going to make it through because it was actually freaking torture.
Speaker0: And then afterwards, yeah, I mean, Tori did a little bit better.
Speaker0: We kept trying to up it with, like, a stream of water.
Speaker0: But the whole thing was just, like, awful. And then, you know,
Speaker0: we got so caught up in the entertainment of it and, you know,
Speaker0: the cartoon like idea of it, because it was, you know,
Speaker0: it was definitely something had been used in movie tropes before that I don't
Speaker0: think any of us really understood like what we were doing.
Speaker0: And then when we all sat down with the torture expert and he's like,
Speaker0: why are you guys screwing around with this and started telling us real stories?
Speaker0: All of our hearts just kind of sank and we're like.
Speaker0: This is a terrible idea.
Speaker2: Do you remember how it happened? Like you brought him in. It was either me or
Speaker2: you. I think I might have been on the table at the time.
Speaker2: And he walked in and I just remembered you introducing your old.
Speaker2: This is our torture expert.
Speaker2: And he looked at us and it was like a father coming in and just disappointed by his kids.
Speaker2: And he looked at us and he was like.
Speaker2: Why are you guys doing this? Why are you doing? Like, he literally was just so, like, outraged.
Speaker2: That we were doing this. And we all just were like,
Speaker1: Because it's for television? I don't know.
Speaker0: Your producer told us to.
Speaker1: Oh, God. It was. Yeah. He was profoundly distressed.
Speaker2: Yeah.
Speaker1: Yeah. And rightfully so.
Speaker2: Rightfully so. And then he started telling us about, like, the dental torture
Speaker2: that he went through. And then we were just like.
Speaker1: Exactly. I'm so sorry.
Speaker2: We did this
Speaker1: Yeah yeah yeah we shouldn't be doing this i seem to recall he was also like
Speaker1: he had a story about quicksand and i was also working on the quicksand story
Speaker1: at the same time like he'd also experienced quicksand like gotten caught in
Speaker1: quicksand like the poor guy
Speaker2: You're all quick come with me you're not going to be upset with this one yeah
Speaker0: Right i feel like it really changed how we uh
Speaker0: we we started to assert our opinions about when a myth was bad at the onset
Speaker0: like we we definitely uh figured out like okay no we're not gonna do that and
Speaker0: it definitely laid some groundwork for us because that was that was a one-of-a-kind pretty awful yeah.
Speaker1: Yeah in the early wild west days of of the show
Speaker2: Well i i remember one thing he brought to our attention he goes look you guys are
Speaker2: you're make believing like this is you're playing torture in a real torture
Speaker2: situation you don't know if you're going to get out alive like you can never
Speaker2: test that in this experiment and that's why you'll never get to the bottom of
Speaker2: it and it was like god he's right like we could do
Speaker2: go through this horrible experience and it would suck.
Speaker2: But to know that someone's going to release you when you say I'm done,
Speaker2: you don't have that luxury in a real torture situation.
Speaker0: Do you have any more fun stories?
Speaker2: Carrie, what goes in hard and comes out soft?
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Speaker0: What were your myths up at New Mexico Tech?
Speaker1: We blew up a cement truck with AMFO, like a huge amount of AMFO.
Speaker1: And that was really cool because the crew vehicles, which were parked like literally
Speaker1: a mile away, were all damaged.
Speaker1: Like they had pieces of fragment and shrapnel, like it just tore through them.
Speaker1: And it was it was hilarious because, you know, they're all rental cars from
Speaker1: Enterprise. and we're like driving them back to turn them in.
Speaker1: They're like, what happened?
Speaker1: You know, they're drivable, but they're just like, they had giant tears through
Speaker1: them. They're just shredded.
Speaker0: Oh my God, we did that a lot with rental cars. I know that when we were out
Speaker0: in the desert with our rental cars and we were trying to kick up a dust storm
Speaker0: by driving around in a circle for a mid-air.
Speaker1: I was in that circle, yeah.
Speaker0: Yeah, like the dust cloud was supposed to hide our heat signature and it was
Speaker0: from, what movie was that from?
Speaker1: I forget. It's a Ridley Scott movie with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker0: Right. So they were switching cars so you didn't know where the kidnapped victim was going.
Speaker0: And it was a heat signature from a helicopter. So we had a helicopter above.
Speaker0: We were creating this big dust cloud.
Speaker0: And we created these ditches because the playa is really soft.
Speaker0: And one of the drivers had, I think it was Noble, had the car tire hit a ditch
Speaker0: and we rolled the car. And then we returned it to the rental agency.
Speaker2: No, that one did not get returned. That went to the junkyard.
Speaker2: I remember we were behind him. So Noble, you guys got to know who this guy is.
Speaker2: He was one of our builders on Mythbusters.
Speaker2: But he looked like he stepped out of Mad Max.
Speaker2: Like he looks like he looked like Mad Max.
Speaker2: We just always in black fatigues. And he just, he like chains.
Speaker2: I mean, he was hilarious.
Speaker2: So he was taking this experiment way too seriously and was like,
Speaker2: We learned that if you would turn the wheel and hit the gas,
Speaker2: it would kick up a huge cloud of dust.
Speaker2: And so he was just in it to win it. It was just like, and then he turned the
Speaker2: wheel too hard and he hit the gas too hard. And the whole thing just flipped.
Speaker2: And we were like, God, like, holy crap, they're dead.
Speaker0: Well, I mean, all those cars, the ones that we didn't flip, we definitely returned
Speaker0: very, very, very, very dirty.
Speaker0: They were a little worse for wear. I'm sure that there was a little bit of damage
Speaker0: done. I hope you guys got the extra insurance for that one.
Speaker0: I mean, if you don't return a car, how do you explain that?
Speaker1: Yeah. We lost it.
Speaker2: Do you remember Noble? So we had Noble And then John was another producer On
Speaker2: the show they were both in that
Speaker2: Vehicle and I just Remember the two of them The way they reacted Noble jumped out and like was all
Speaker2: like that was awesome everyone okay and john came out like in shock he was just like what
Speaker1: Happened yeah yeah yeah
Speaker1: his shoulder was pretty banged up on that one that
Speaker1: was terrifying because as we were driving around in the circle like and the
Speaker1: dust is being generated you can't see how close you are to the car in front
Speaker1: of you yeah like eventually you'll see the the the taillights but you can't
Speaker1: see them until you're right on top of it. And so it was it was kind of scary.
Speaker1: And everyone on the radio is going, we have to go faster. We have to go faster.
Speaker1: So you're like trying to go faster and you're terrified.
Speaker2: I can't see the car in front of me.
Speaker1: Yeah. Right.
Speaker0: Trying to remember if there was ever a time where you said no,
Speaker0: like, guys, that's that's just not going to happen because no matter what it
Speaker0: was, like, you'd be like, oh, we'd be like, hey, we need a civil war rifle.
Speaker0: And you're like, OK, hey, we need a pig stomach with all of the tubes attached.
Speaker0: OK, we need 10 cars and this many pounds of explosives.
Speaker0: OK, yeah. Do you ever remember saying no to us like that is ridiculous?
Speaker0: We'll never get a race car and a major league baseball player like what?
Speaker1: Oh, that's a good one. Doing the F1 car in a wind tunnel upside down.
Speaker1: Yeah. To show the downforce.
Speaker1: Yeah. Uh, there was always an idea to try to do this in a wind tunnel,
Speaker1: um, which is conceivable.
Speaker1: Like it should work, but I couldn't, that one I couldn't make happen.
Speaker1: Um, the people at the wind tunnel places were all like, uh, uh,
Speaker1: like didn't matter if they were fans of the show.
Speaker1: Right. Like this cost a billion dollars.
Speaker1: you know you're not gonna put an F1 race car over here upside down and hope that it's gonna work
Speaker2: The elusive F1 upside down myth it still haunts us to this day like it's one
Speaker2: of those that everybody it always comes up because it's just like
Speaker2: Like, would it work? Like, all we need to do is get a self-driving F1 car and a Helix ramp.
Speaker2: You know, let's do it. You know, it's just, it's always eluded us.
Speaker0: Tori, we need a Kickstarter. Maybe the fans can do a Kickstarter so we can do
Speaker0: one more episode for a billion dollars.
Speaker0: Just raise enough money so that we can get this done. I mean,
Speaker0: Eric's already got the contacts. We got the will.
Speaker2: So we used to do a lot of stuff at the Bomb Range. And the bomb range,
Speaker2: it was this weird soil where it was like when it would get wet,
Speaker2: if it had just rained, it turned into like crazy, almost like quick sand mud.
Speaker2: Your leg would just go straight into it. But it was also just very uneven.
Speaker2: And I remember there was this one time and it was a dry day.
Speaker2: So it wasn't like it was muddy, but you were walking up from the bomb range up onto the road.
Speaker2: and you just like you just twisted just
Speaker2: wrong enough and you went down on
Speaker2: the ground you're like ah oh i just
Speaker2: remember and i looked down and we were screaming we're like paramedic paramedic
Speaker2: and he just kind of calmly walked down the road and we're like run and he got
Speaker2: to us and goes if i run and fall then i can't help him and we're like yeah all
Speaker2: right good point but then i I don't know if he cut open your pant leg or just rolled it up,
Speaker2: but your kneecap was to the side of your leg.
Speaker2: Like it had moved over to the side and it, I turned white.
Speaker2: You were white. We're all just like, oh my God.
Speaker0: I have flashbacks of this all the time. I remember I was just wrecked for a
Speaker0: while because it was just like a game. It was like, oh God, oh God, I can feel your pain.
Speaker0: And I can't believe that of all the injuries on set, like you get injured.
Speaker0: Like, you're behind the scenes and you got seriously jacked up.
Speaker1: Yeah. And that was so dumb too. Like I've, I've walked and jogged and run all
Speaker1: over the bomb range before.
Speaker1: And I'm, I'm just like you guys, very familiar with the terrain.
Speaker1: Um, it was just a, uh, you know, I needed to talk to JD.
Speaker1: JD was up on the road and I was running up from that little gully area and the,
Speaker1: the earth was dry and, um,
Speaker1: it just kind of slipped out from under me and, and just, I've never had a knee
Speaker1: injury like that. And it just slipped out.
Speaker1: And I totally remember...
Speaker1: going.
Speaker1: And it wasn't from pain. I don't remember feeling any pain at all.
Speaker1: It wasn't until hours later that I felt pain.
Speaker1: It was more looking down and being completely grossed out by what I was looking at.
Speaker1: Like the leg was completely bent in a way that it wasn't supposed to be.
Speaker1: So it's like a horror movie. I was suddenly looking at my leg in a horror movie.
Speaker2: It was the pure horror.
Speaker2: But the paramedic, when we were out on the bomb range and that happened,
Speaker2: the paramedic popped it back in, right?
Speaker1: Yeah, he did. He told me afterwards he wasn't supposed to do that.
Speaker1: Like, he's supposed to take me to the hospital if something like that happens.
Speaker1: But he's done it many times before. He knew what to do.
Speaker1: He was very calm. And when you mentioned that he walked there,
Speaker1: like, walked very slowly, yeah, that's what they're trained to do.
Speaker1: Like, just assess the situation as they're approaching. and he
Speaker1: just yeah he just popped my knee back in and it was fine and i was on adrenaline
Speaker1: at that point so i like i'm popping up and like okay let's let's get back to
Speaker1: it okay next shot and everyone's looking at me like you're all sweaty white your face
Speaker2: Is all pale all right let's get to work
Speaker0: Myth buster through with some trauma bonding like all of us have become such
Speaker0: family because I don't think that, you know, when you go through something like,
Speaker0: oh, I went ziplining with my friends. It brought us closer.
Speaker0: Like the stuff we were doing was like so much adrenaline and so much work that
Speaker0: all of us kind of stayed really, really hardcore friends after that.
Speaker0: I know that like you've been working with like behind the scenes crew at many other jobs.
Speaker0: Like we're all just such good friends over the year. And it's so awesome.
Speaker0: I remember when I went on maternity leave, I missed you guys so hard because
Speaker0: you were like, I spent more time with you guys than my family.
Speaker0: And I had a very special spot in my heart for you, Eric, because I,
Speaker0: You don't have kids. And I remember just having so much fun always kind of fucking
Speaker0: with you because like your gross factor wasn't very high.
Speaker0: So I would be bored at home. Not that maternity leave is bored. Oh, yeah.
Speaker0: Took pictures of her all day. But every now and then she slept a lot.
Speaker0: So every now and then I would just send you gross pictures, but with like really mundane, sweet titles.
Speaker0: And this was before malware and, you know, a picture of a puppy might turn your
Speaker0: computer on and take all of your information. So you saw a little,
Speaker0: little, little JPEG that said, open here, picture of Stella's first house. Do you remember that?
Speaker1: I think so.
Speaker0: Yeah. It was just a bucket of my bloody placenta bag. And I just remember everybody was like.
Speaker2: Geez, Carrie. That could be considered harassment now.
Speaker0: I got a whole bunch of texts that were just like, oh, that freaked out Eric hard.
Speaker0: I feel like we don't have an HR department back then for a reason.
Speaker1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Things were different back then. Yeah.
Speaker1: Well, you know, we went through so much together, but we're also working on
Speaker1: this weird show that hadn't been done before.
Speaker1: And we're doing it for what we thought was a good cause, you know,
Speaker1: like with entertainment and with science.
Speaker1: So I think that it was a huge bonding experience, something that, that,
Speaker1: It was different than any other job. And we kind of self-selected for our crew.
Speaker1: Like, the other people behind the scenes were all, like, friends of friends.
Speaker1: And if they weren't, like, and they didn't work out, they'd kind of cycle out. Yeah.
Speaker1: So we ended up having this really close-knit crew that would do anything for each other.
Speaker1: And, like, it really felt that way when you're out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker1: and you have to get shit done.
Speaker0: Oh, you had to be calm. You had to be hard. You had to take things not so seriously.
Speaker0: You had to have a cool head. And you definitely had to have a sense of humor.
Speaker0: Like a really strong sense of humor.
Speaker2: Your sense of humor was my favorite because you were just always so dry.
Speaker2: And you would hammer people. I remember one time, this might have been when
Speaker2: we were out at the playa, at Burning Man, that playa there.
Speaker2: So I remember when we were out at the desert, one of our producers had gone
Speaker2: up to some hot springs that were nearby.
Speaker2: and they spent the night out there underneath the stars and who knows they were
Speaker2: like getting nude and doing drugs
Speaker2: supposedly and so the next day we're all out on the playa and it was like midday
Speaker2: and this producer looks up and she's like oh my god it's a solar flare and Eric
Speaker2: you're just like you're still high off your drugs there's no solar flare and
Speaker2: then you looked up and you're like oh god look it's a solar flare
Speaker1: Yeah I remember that
Speaker1: it was so good yeah you're such an idiot that's not a hey it's solar flare
Speaker1: is
Speaker0: It true that uh because you used to wear a fedora when you'd walk around with
Speaker0: us that people thought you were adam.
Speaker1: Oh yeah yeah you know i have to say i'm still mistaken for adam to this day
Speaker1: just literally two weeks ago i i was mistaken for for adam out out in public they're like, hey,
Speaker1: anyone ever tell you you look a lot like Adam Savage? I'm like, hey.
Speaker1: Yeah, yeah, I get that. As a matter of fact. They don't even know how close they are.
Speaker1: Like, by the way. One person removed. Yeah, I worked with them.
Speaker1: I'm a producer on the show.
Speaker1: They have no idea.
Speaker0: You should just like make their day. Be like, I am Adam Savage and take that picture.
Speaker0: They won't figure it out for a long time till they post it. Okay,
Speaker0: lightning round. Favorite myth?
Speaker1: Gorn cannon.
Speaker2: Yeah.
Speaker0: Favorite prop?
Speaker2: Gorn cannon.
Speaker1: Yeah.
Speaker0: Hardest build?
Speaker1: Ice cannon was kind of hard.
Speaker0: Worst smell.
Speaker1: Ear candle.
Speaker2: Yeah, earwax. Disgusting.
Speaker1: That was the worst.
Speaker2: That was the worst.
Speaker0: That was the worst. But favorite Mythbuster?
Speaker1: You, Carrie.
Speaker2: That's an easy one.
Speaker0: I know, it was me. It was me. I know. Oh, Eric, you were one of my favorite people.
Speaker0: I miss you so much. Thank you so much for doing our podcast.
Speaker2: Yeah, so good to see you.
Speaker0: Behind the scenes magic.
Speaker1: Yeah, so great to see you guys, talk with you guys and, you know,
Speaker1: relive some of these memories.
Speaker2: Yeah, we miss you, dude. Good to see you.
Speaker1: Miss you guys, too.
Speaker2: Thank you.
Speaker0: Everybody stick around because when we come back, we're going to answer a fan question.
Speaker2: Carrie, do you remember I showed you a picture of my little chihuahua and he'd
Speaker2: gotten a hold of the sausage and he couldn't get it down? It was like too big for his mouth.
Speaker0: It was so cute.
Speaker2: Well, that little guy will literally eat anything. But here's the thing.
Speaker2: Just because he'll eat anything doesn't mean it's always good for him.
Speaker0: He's old. Does he have like teeth problems?
Speaker2: Does he have teeth that's the real question he's got like he's got like two left that's it poor guy
Speaker0: Well i'll tell you one thing uh so my dog currently eats
Speaker0: sundays for dogs and uh i i switched recently because she's you know she's really
Speaker0: sensitive she's a little pure red staffy and so she really easily gets like
Speaker0: itchy paws and stuff so i i decided to level up and uh it's i've seen a huge improvement.
Speaker0: Mostly the dog loves it. It's kind of like a bowl of beef jerky is what it looks like.
Speaker2: Do I got to send you a picture of my dog? Because his teeth have fallen out,
Speaker2: his tongue is constantly stuck.
Speaker0: Oh my God. Are you kidding me? You've got the tongue on the side dog.
Speaker2: That's so cute.
Speaker0: Oh, well, my dog is still two years old, so she is full of energy. Her coat's really soft.
Speaker0: She's way less itchy since she started eating Sundays for dogs. So I'm pretty excited.
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Speaker0: Tori, I know that your dog doesn't have any teeth and you have to use the wet
Speaker0: food, but I gotta say, I get so grossed out by having to scoop wet food.
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Speaker0: And we're definitely going to post pictures of our dogs. So lucky.
Speaker2: Yes, it will.
Speaker2: Carrie. Oh, my. That was so great to see Eric.
Speaker0: I love it when we talk to people who used to work on Mythbusters because it's
Speaker0: just like a little reunion and they have memories that I just don't remember it's so fun and.
Speaker2: I just I forgot how much I miss hanging out with them like you know yeah I haven't
Speaker2: I think we the last time we saw him was at J.D.
Speaker2: Nelson the bomb range the bomb techs
Speaker2: retirement party. We saw a whole bunch of people from Mythbusters and that was
Speaker2: the first time I'd seen him in years, probably like almost a decade.
Speaker2: And I just forget how much fun he is to hang out with.
Speaker0: Yeah, we all, you know, in the office of Mythbusters, we had our desks arranged
Speaker0: in like these little islands. So it was your desk pushed up against Matt Korgodova's
Speaker0: desk and Eric Haven's desk.
Speaker0: Like the three of you had something you guys called Man Island.
Speaker0: And then I was over in the corner with like Linda pushed up against my desk.
Speaker0: So we kind of had our little island over there.
Speaker0: And I remember you guys just used to joke around all the time,
Speaker0: whether you were tasering each other or like putting on silly hats or something
Speaker0: like you guys were just goofballs over there.
Speaker2: Yeah, we had our little man island. It was it was a good that was a good time.
Speaker0: You guys used to do Movember. I remember you guys started growing awkward mustaches every November.
Speaker2: Did I?
Speaker0: Yes. We made, but like. You know what?
Speaker2: I didn't do the mustache. I did the full beard.
Speaker0: Yeah, but I mean, for you though.
Speaker2: I went full beard.
Speaker0: I've never met anybody with a more aggressive five o'clock shadow than you.
Speaker0: Like in the beginning of the day versus the end of the day, like legitimately
Speaker0: you had a beard by the end of the day.
Speaker0: So Movember could have just been you cheating. Like you could have just.
Speaker2: Just not shaving that day.
Speaker0: Yeah. For like two days.
Speaker2: Do you remember we had a director who we were doing an interview and she's like.
Speaker2: um can we check there's something shading his face just like from his like nose
Speaker2: down and we're all looking at each other we're like it's my five o'clock shadow like
Speaker2: and it literally was from the morning to the afternoon you're
Speaker0: Just too mannish.
Speaker2: Tori Sicilian it's the Sicilian of you all right are we ready for our fan question yeah
Speaker0: You guys thank you for sending in a video we have one that came in through the
Speaker0: website actually that's where we're Collecting questions now.
Speaker0: And we've got a good one. All right.
Speaker1: Hi, Carrie and Tori. I'm just curious how often you had people snooping around
Speaker1: the workshop or snooping around other work locations where you might be at.
Speaker1: I was in San Francisco once, maybe in 2010 with my brother, and we got fairly
Speaker1: close to where we thought you might be after Googling it.
Speaker1: But I didn't want to stop too close or stop in because I didn't want to bother
Speaker1: you guys. Thanks for taking my question.
Speaker2: That's a good question. Thanks. Thanks for that question.
Speaker0: The shop is, you know, just like a warehouse, but it says M5 Industries out the front.
Speaker0: But like, I, I think, I think after a while, I remember fans started showing
Speaker0: up and taking selfies in front of the door, but you couldn't really,
Speaker0: there was no doorbell to get in. It was just like Fort Knox.
Speaker2: Yeah.
Speaker1: Yep.
Speaker2: Totally. I remember there was one guy that had been, this was, this was a little weird.
Speaker2: I don't know if you remember this because, so M5 was at one location and then
Speaker2: we were M7, which is a completely different location. blocks away from Jamie's shop.
Speaker2: We didn't get that many surprise guests because they would always go to M5.
Speaker2: Obviously the sign was out front.
Speaker2: They knew where to go. Where ours was tucked away.
Speaker2: We didn't get a lot of surprises. But I remember one time there was this guy
Speaker2: who had been messaging me weird stuff.
Speaker2: I think this was during the MySpace days. Remember MySpace?
Speaker2: And all of a sudden I get a call and he was just saying weird stuff. And I was like,
Speaker2: Keep an eye out for this person, whatever. All of a sudden, I get a call from
Speaker2: M5, and they're like, Tori, no need to worry, but there's a guy here with his
Speaker2: parents. We called the police.
Speaker2: They're explaining what the situation is. Apparently, this guy had told his
Speaker2: parents. They were from Spain.
Speaker2: He said they were taking him to see his friend in San Francisco.
Speaker2: He might have not been all there mentally.
Speaker2: And so the police showed up, and they explained it to the parents.
Speaker2: And the parents, they felt terrible. But this poor guy, he like came all the
Speaker2: way to San Francisco to see his friend,
Speaker1: Me.
Speaker0: Oh, wow.
Speaker2: Yeah, it was kind of weird.
Speaker0: I know there was, because we had some very distinct locations and we always named them in the show.
Speaker0: There was a while where I believe the fan club was doing kind of a little tour
Speaker0: of places that we would do.
Speaker2: Oh, that's cool.
Speaker0: Yeah, like you could roll around and see like, oh, here's the Alameda runway.
Speaker0: Oh, here's where they did this.
Speaker0: Here's where they did that. So it was kind of like a fun little Bay Area tour
Speaker0: because we are so Bay Area.
Speaker0: So like it was definite locations that we used over and over and over.
Speaker0: But I can't imagine that you'd be like, oh, my God, I want to go to San Francisco.
Speaker0: Let's go see the bomb range in Dublin, the Alameda runway.
Speaker0: Let's go over to Jamie's shop. He's definitely not answering the door.
Speaker0: Oh, that was that that would have been. Yeah. Yeah. We've definitely had some
Speaker0: stragglers coming in every now and then, though, we would be out front.
Speaker0: And I took some pictures with people. Didn't you? Yeah.
Speaker2: Everybody was always so nice. Like they would just show up and be like,
Speaker2: hey, I found you guys. I just want to say hi.
Speaker2: And we would take photos and they were they were super, super friendly.
Speaker0: Yeah. I mean, mostly was we've had a lot of visitors come through the show.
Speaker0: Like somebody would know somebody or a friend of a friend or a Make-A-Wish Foundation
Speaker0: would come through or a couple of class trips.
Speaker0: I always, you know, when my daughter was little, like I was like.
Speaker0: preschoolers there is do you just want to you just want to come see the shop
Speaker0: the preschoolers don't want to come see the shop right.
Speaker2: They're not watching the show
Speaker0: I'm like buddy you could just come on go go come on
Speaker0: in we had we had some fun people like famous comedians and
Speaker0: and just like people were like wanted to come get little tours and it was always
Speaker0: it was always kind of fun showing a shop around because it was not a open set
Speaker0: it wasn't like i don't know it wasn't like a hollywood thing to come visit it
Speaker0: was just a dirty shop and the first thing everybody always said when they walked
Speaker0: in they're like whoa i thought it would be fancier yeah.
Speaker2: Right you thought it was a tv set no
Speaker0: No it's just a workshop and then the offices had uh that the the like the the
Speaker0: the ceiling were those tiles that you would have in elementary school that were
Speaker0: made of cork that you'd throw the pencils up and then they would which.
Speaker2: We did we did which we did up into
Speaker0: Yeah every now and And then a pencil would just, like, drop from the ceiling.
Speaker2: That was good times.
Speaker0: Yeah, it was just, like, you know, gross carpet and bad lighting and just,
Speaker0: you know, it was an industrial office and shop. But, hey, if you wanted to come by.
Speaker2: See, you should have just come. You and your brother should have just popped
Speaker2: in. We would have been like,
Speaker0: Hey, what's up?
Speaker2: We wouldn't have had any problem with it.
Speaker0: Nah, it's too late now. But, hey, you ever see Tori out at the Home Depot? Just come say hello.
Speaker2: Come up and say hi. Well, thank you guys again. This has been fun. Carrie, good to see you.
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