WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:04.457 I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild, wild stuff. 00:00:04.937 --> 00:00:10.537 Because behind the scenes, everybody kicked in. So we did a myth with gun cotton 00:00:10.537 --> 00:00:12.117 for an old-timey rocket. 00:00:12.137 --> 00:00:12.917 Oh, wow, yeah. 00:00:13.117 --> 00:00:18.997 We had to create some very noxious, toxic gases when we were mixing the gun 00:00:18.997 --> 00:00:21.377 cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets. 00:00:21.437 --> 00:00:26.817 I heard some mythology about how that gun cotton was created. 00:00:27.157 --> 00:00:27.637 Yeah. 00:00:29.257 --> 00:00:31.937 You're allowed to tell the stories now. The show's off the air. 00:00:32.997 --> 00:00:33.797 Welcome, MythFits. 00:00:53.872 --> 00:00:55.652 Hi, Carrie. How are you doing today? 00:00:56.092 --> 00:00:58.472 Why are you talking like Steve Burns from Blue's Clues? 00:00:59.012 --> 00:01:02.552 Ever since we interviewed him, I want to start every episode. 00:01:02.772 --> 00:01:03.572 Hi, Mythfits. 00:01:03.972 --> 00:01:05.812 Mythfits. How are you guys doing? 00:01:06.652 --> 00:01:10.052 Welcome, Mythfits. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Carrie Byron. 00:01:10.152 --> 00:01:12.212 This is Troy Belichi. We've known each other since Mythbusters, 00:01:12.252 --> 00:01:14.392 so we'll probably talk about that a bunch. 00:01:14.852 --> 00:01:18.932 Welcome back. And if you're a first-time listener, welcome. And Carrie, 00:01:19.012 --> 00:01:21.092 how are you doing today? Why are you smelling cinnamon? 00:01:21.532 --> 00:01:24.752 This is the weirdest thing. I was shopping. I was like trying to, 00:01:24.952 --> 00:01:26.832 my daughter likes some stuff from Trader Joe's. 00:01:26.952 --> 00:01:30.392 So I stopped by when I was, after I was leaving suburbia and visiting my sister. 00:01:30.512 --> 00:01:33.192 And she's like, have you seen these whisks? 00:01:33.352 --> 00:01:36.452 I'm like, what the heck is that? It's like, it's a little tiny whisk broom that 00:01:36.452 --> 00:01:38.692 smells like cinnamon. I don't understand what you do with it. 00:01:38.972 --> 00:01:39.992 I don't get it. I don't know if there's 00:01:39.992 --> 00:01:42.652 some sort of Thanksgiving item or something, but it smells amazing. 00:01:43.372 --> 00:01:46.352 It's just, it's a cinnamon whisk. Have you seen this? What is this for? 00:01:46.412 --> 00:01:50.992 No, no. But you know what? It's tis the season of pumpkin lattes. 00:01:51.352 --> 00:01:54.752 I mean, everything is pumpkin flavored. Have you ever had a pumpkin latte? 00:01:55.472 --> 00:02:00.232 Well, you know what I've had is pumpkin and it tastes nothing like all of this pumpkin spice stuff. 00:02:00.372 --> 00:02:04.052 Why don't they just make it like cinnamon season? Because I just pumpkin's disgusting. 00:02:04.392 --> 00:02:07.752 Like it's it's it's gooey. It's gross. It's something I'll put on my dog's food 00:02:07.752 --> 00:02:11.092 when her stomach is sick. Like what? Why a pumpkin latte? I don't get it. 00:02:11.232 --> 00:02:13.712 I don't get it. I don't I don't either. But everyone was like, 00:02:13.812 --> 00:02:16.652 oh, pumpkin latte, pumpkin latte. I'm going to get a pumpkin latte. 00:02:16.932 --> 00:02:17.912 So I was like, you know what? 00:02:19.052 --> 00:02:21.932 there's everybody's talking about it there's got to be something to it so i'm 00:02:21.932 --> 00:02:27.772 going to get one it was the like the worst thing i've ever had it really a sugar 00:02:27.772 --> 00:02:31.852 bomb i had the worst headache for the rest of the day i felt sick to my stomach 00:02:31.852 --> 00:02:36.052 i was like who came up with this god-awful 00:02:37.092 --> 00:02:40.672 formula of pumpkin latte this is the dumbest thing ever guess 00:02:40.672 --> 00:02:42.872 Who's never advertising on our show. 00:02:45.692 --> 00:02:47.632 I'm not saying where I got the pumpkin latte Oh that 00:02:47.632 --> 00:02:51.472 Is true That is true I'm sure it could be anywhere You just assume That makes a sugar bomb, 00:02:52.576 --> 00:02:53.056 latte. 00:02:55.416 --> 00:03:01.416 How do you take your coffee? I mean, since Mythbusters, I'm like just hardcore, thick black coffee. 00:03:01.716 --> 00:03:03.896 I love the cheaper, the better for some reason. 00:03:04.336 --> 00:03:05.336 Did you say thick? 00:03:05.696 --> 00:03:10.716 Yeah. Like coffee, super strong, like black coffee. 00:03:10.856 --> 00:03:14.296 Like, like every time I make coffee, everybody's like, whoa, that is strong. 00:03:14.336 --> 00:03:17.476 Like I just, I just remember like getting up for Mythbusters. 00:03:17.476 --> 00:03:19.496 You knew you had a big, hard, long day. 00:03:19.656 --> 00:03:22.556 And it was just, I just needed to kickstart. 00:03:22.816 --> 00:03:26.996 So I would make my coffee almost like with the grounds in it. 00:03:27.136 --> 00:03:30.756 Like if I was picking grounds out of my teeth, that's how strong my coffee had 00:03:30.756 --> 00:03:34.056 to be. And to this day, it's just like straight trucker coffee. 00:03:34.276 --> 00:03:37.676 Got my Rick and Morty mug here. I'm ready to do it. 00:03:38.336 --> 00:03:46.676 No, my go-to is a flat white every day. It's like shots of espresso and a little 00:03:46.676 --> 00:03:50.736 bit of warmed milk. A flat white. My go-to? You're so fancy. 00:03:51.636 --> 00:03:54.116 My go-to is a flat white all the time. 00:03:55.456 --> 00:03:57.996 I like my fancy coffees. 00:03:58.156 --> 00:03:59.236 You like your fancy coffee. 00:03:59.696 --> 00:04:06.116 Carrie, our guest today, we have a very, very close friend of ours who was very 00:04:06.116 --> 00:04:09.716 close to the show. He was one of our producers for many years, 00:04:09.996 --> 00:04:13.596 starting when we started on season two. He came on as a producer. 00:04:15.046 --> 00:04:16.446 Are you excited to talk to? 00:04:16.786 --> 00:04:24.226 This is an infamous member of the Mythbusters because he did all of our blueprints. 00:04:24.446 --> 00:04:30.746 Like this guy, like he is so important to the show because his comic book style, 00:04:30.886 --> 00:04:33.506 like he's a comic book artist in his his real life. 00:04:33.686 --> 00:04:37.726 So getting to to do all of our blueprints, he really upped our game. 00:04:37.906 --> 00:04:39.726 Yeah, totally. Oh, my God. 00:04:39.866 --> 00:04:44.306 Our drawings sucked compared to his. And so whenever you would see the episode 00:04:44.306 --> 00:04:48.346 And you would see the hand Drawing the blueprint That was this producer 00:04:48.346 --> 00:04:54.326 He's the hand That's his appearance in our shows He's the hand And don't forget 00:04:54.326 --> 00:04:57.926 Stick around to the end of the episode Because that's when we answer all of 00:04:57.926 --> 00:05:00.606 our fan questions So you can be a part of the show, 00:05:01.226 --> 00:05:05.146 Please post your questions Like, subscribe, follow, all that And if you want, 00:05:05.186 --> 00:05:08.766 we might add you in the show Do it Next up, Eric Haven, 00:05:09.518 --> 00:05:14.918 I spend a lot of time thinking about cybersecurity and everything that's going on online. 00:05:15.078 --> 00:05:21.038 Going online without ExpressVPN is like not closing the door when you use the bathroom. 00:05:21.238 --> 00:05:27.818 Even if you think you have nothing to hide, why give random creeps a chance to invade your privacy? 00:05:28.718 --> 00:05:33.378 ExpressVPN reroutes 100% of your traffic through secure encrypted servers. 00:05:33.538 --> 00:05:36.998 So your ISP can't see your browsing history. 00:05:36.998 --> 00:05:39.518 Oh, what's in your browsing history that you're trying to hide, Tori? 00:05:39.618 --> 00:05:43.298 That's my little secret. 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Yeah, wow. 00:07:13.121 --> 00:07:16.881 I don't think a lot of people know, actually, our fans, they all know, 00:07:17.181 --> 00:07:22.801 this is the gentleman who does all of the blueprints after Tori and I used to 00:07:22.801 --> 00:07:25.461 do the chicken scratch of blueprints when they started getting good. 00:07:25.741 --> 00:07:28.101 It's because Eric Haven was drawing them. 00:07:28.341 --> 00:07:32.281 Yeah, that was a fun gig, doing those blueprint drawings. But you guys were 00:07:32.281 --> 00:07:35.021 so talented. I don't know why you didn't keep doing it. 00:07:35.201 --> 00:07:38.461 I think they wanted to be able to tell what the drawing was. 00:07:40.981 --> 00:07:45.361 I mean, they stopped kind of being planning. And, you know, because at first 00:07:45.361 --> 00:07:48.201 we were just kind of working through stuff on the blueprint table. 00:07:48.321 --> 00:07:53.021 But then when they wanted it to look like really cool sort of interstitials 00:07:53.021 --> 00:07:59.981 or like the name of the actual episode, like you did such great comic book art. 00:08:00.761 --> 00:08:02.781 You've got a background in comic books, right? Right. 00:08:03.181 --> 00:08:08.521 Yeah, that's right. So I brought that kind of ethos to the blueprint drawings, 00:08:08.701 --> 00:08:13.561 which you're right before it would kind of show how the device is going to work 00:08:13.561 --> 00:08:15.321 or what you're trying to do. 00:08:15.481 --> 00:08:20.421 And I was just like, oh, it's called ice cannon and show an ice cannon blowing 00:08:20.421 --> 00:08:23.261 up or something because I didn't know how anything worked. 00:08:23.281 --> 00:08:26.921 But I was a comic book guy, so I could draw in that way. 00:08:27.201 --> 00:08:29.661 So that's that's why they all ended up that way. 00:08:29.661 --> 00:08:34.721 So, Eric, you are a producer on the show. For people who don't know what a producer 00:08:34.721 --> 00:08:40.321 does, what was the day-to-day activity for you? What does a producer do on Mythbusters? 00:08:41.261 --> 00:08:44.441 Uh you source the location you source 00:08:44.441 --> 00:08:47.621 the talent you source the um the 00:08:47.621 --> 00:08:50.561 items or the the stuff that you'll 00:08:50.561 --> 00:08:54.481 be building so it's just kind of putting the show together as a puzzle piece 00:08:54.481 --> 00:08:58.101 like where are you going to shoot it where is the where is the best place to 00:08:58.101 --> 00:09:02.881 do this and who are the best people to do it with like what kind of experts 00:09:02.881 --> 00:09:08.441 will we need and then how do you get the stuff that you're going to need, 00:09:08.601 --> 00:09:13.581 like whether it's outrageous chemicals or explosive stuff. 00:09:14.741 --> 00:09:19.121 So that's what it was. It was just basically sourcing and procuring stuff. 00:09:19.321 --> 00:09:21.401 And the occasional mixing of gun cotton. 00:09:21.841 --> 00:09:26.241 Yeah, yeah. And along the way, you start to talk to the same people over and over again. 00:09:26.321 --> 00:09:30.441 You start to engender a relationship almost where you can tell them what you 00:09:30.441 --> 00:09:34.921 need and they're not going to be thinking you're crazy or a terrorist or something. 00:09:34.921 --> 00:09:38.961 they're more going to be helpful. And so that was a lot of fun. 00:09:39.161 --> 00:09:43.521 So you knew Tori and Grant and Adam and Jamie, you knew them all before Mythbusters. 00:09:43.681 --> 00:09:46.481 What was your impression of them when you first met them? Were you guys like 00:09:46.481 --> 00:09:53.421 instantly friends or were they the weirdos that you would watch from where all of the suits lived? 00:09:53.581 --> 00:09:55.601 Like, what was the jam? Take me back. 00:09:55.841 --> 00:10:01.341 I don't think I knew Tori. I don't think that we had ever talked at ILM. 00:10:01.481 --> 00:10:07.181 I had talked to Grant and I knew Adam. We had talked a few times and I hadn't met Jamie at all. 00:10:07.901 --> 00:10:13.421 My first time meeting Jamie was at M5 and it was probably on the first day or the second day. 00:10:13.621 --> 00:10:18.821 And I had done, I had gotten some kind of weird paint or something that we needed. 00:10:18.821 --> 00:10:24.081 I don't remember what the application was, but it wasn't exactly what he wanted. 00:10:24.301 --> 00:10:30.001 And I came up to him, like trying to explain, like, this isn't the bright blue 00:10:30.001 --> 00:10:33.841 color and it's not going to work the same way. 00:10:34.041 --> 00:10:40.941 And Jamie has really clear eyes and he was just looking at me, uh, 00:10:41.666 --> 00:10:44.706 And I didn't know what to do. Like, I hadn't met him before. 00:10:44.706 --> 00:10:47.206 So I wasn't sure how to deal with this individual. 00:10:48.306 --> 00:10:52.546 And I was just went back to it. And like, I think it will work. 00:10:52.666 --> 00:10:55.186 If you want me to get something else, I can get something else. 00:10:55.946 --> 00:10:59.126 And again, he was just looking at me. Through you. 00:10:59.646 --> 00:11:02.486 Yeah. Through me, I was turned into, like, 00:11:02.546 --> 00:11:06.386 he was looking at my internal structures, my organs, 00:11:06.386 --> 00:11:13.166 even the atoms that make me up uh and you know making decisions and calculations 00:11:13.166 --> 00:11:17.786 in his mind how how he should address this i don't remember what the outcome 00:11:17.786 --> 00:11:20.526 was but i just remember being like so uh 00:11:21.321 --> 00:11:26.801 unsettled by the experience of trying to i didn't know i i didn't i didn't know 00:11:26.801 --> 00:11:31.261 how to interact with him but shortly thereafter i realized how to engage with 00:11:31.261 --> 00:11:37.101 jamie and you know um yeah you can just talk about uh universal joints and stuff 00:11:37.101 --> 00:11:40.441 and he'll he'll he'll ease off to the races 00:11:40.441 --> 00:11:46.241 I have some distinct memories of you doing some wild wild stuff like our because 00:11:46.241 --> 00:11:47.421 behind the scenes everybody, 00:11:47.941 --> 00:11:50.921 kicked in so when things like we 00:11:50.921 --> 00:11:53.901 did a myth with gun cotton for an old 00:11:53.901 --> 00:11:56.781 time oh wow yeah and it was 00:11:56.781 --> 00:12:00.401 it was some uh we had to create some very noxious toxic 00:12:00.401 --> 00:12:03.301 gases uh when we were mixing the 00:12:03.301 --> 00:12:07.921 gun cotton to create the accelerant for these rockets and when you were on set 00:12:07.921 --> 00:12:15.941 i heard some some mythology about how uh that gun cotton was created yeah you're 00:12:15.941 --> 00:12:20.721 allowed to tell the stories now the show's off the air we can't get sued anymore how many. 00:12:20.721 --> 00:12:23.901 Years of your life have you lost from that that that experience 00:12:23.901 --> 00:12:28.401 Oh my god i i'm i'm surprised you guys remember that like oh wow that's something 00:12:28.401 --> 00:12:30.161 that i've kind of put out of my mind 00:12:30.161 --> 00:12:33.401 Dude i remember because the small scale experiment when 00:12:33.401 --> 00:12:36.601 we were doing it just in the shop right grant's girlfriend 00:12:36.601 --> 00:12:41.921 was like a chemical engineer she she she came in and she's like what are you 00:12:41.921 --> 00:12:46.301 guys doing like we were doing it in the sink in the shop and she was just like 00:12:46.301 --> 00:12:51.501 you don't have any of the right equipment like this is toxic and then like i 00:12:51.501 --> 00:12:56.381 think they give you guys some respirators and they're like go make it on set no. 00:12:56.381 --> 00:13:02.681 No respirators we didn't even have respirators like we we should have had respirators 00:13:02.681 --> 00:13:05.641 and like a hood yeah like a exhaust hood 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.360 But no, we're in a bathroom in a hotel outside Mojave Desert. 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:16.260 And just I'm sure people have made worse stuff in the bathtubs. 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:17.700 Outside of the Mojave Desert. 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:23.560 In the hotels outside Mojave Desert. But yeah, we made gun cotton in there. 00:13:23.740 --> 00:13:28.580 I remember me and Danny D, maybe John Hunt and Peter. 00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:39.180 We were in there like running the nitric acid through a bath and the fumes it 00:13:39.180 --> 00:13:41.340 was given off were, yeah, 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:45.720 I guess not only toxic, but possibly like deadly. Yeah. 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:50.600 That's why you probably can't remember that. Your memory of that is foggy. 00:13:52.900 --> 00:13:58.160 Yeah. But I remember the stuff, it worked. Like we collected it. 00:13:58.740 --> 00:14:02.320 dried it brought it out to location and 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.540 it was in a my memory of it i unless 00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:08.420 i'm misremembering it it was in a pyrex bowl of 00:14:08.420 --> 00:14:11.500 some sort and um we had it off 00:14:11.500 --> 00:14:17.760 to the side out in the open and as the sun started hitting it like it was lighting 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:23.480 it on fire like it was it was popping and like bursting into flame um and we 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.320 like i i don't think the whole thing went up but we had to like move it into 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:28.920 shade so that it wouldn't explode. 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:32.120 Was that for Confederate rocket? Was that the myth? 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:32.620 Yeah. 00:14:33.300 --> 00:14:34.060 God. Yeah. 00:14:34.660 --> 00:14:36.260 Man, that myth was dangerous. 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:43.820 Yeah. Yeah. There's so much on that one. Yeah. Remember the test at M7? Yeah. 00:14:43.920 --> 00:14:48.140 Where the rocket went awry? When we smoked out the entire place? 00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:50.040 Yeah. Yeah. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.620 That's when, after that episode aired, that's when the fire department or the 00:14:54.620 --> 00:14:59.920 health like OSHA some guy came from OSHA and like broke into our safety meeting 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:03.600 and they were like where's Tori? 00:15:04.280 --> 00:15:04.980 Yeah 00:15:06.117 --> 00:15:06.777 You guys. 00:15:07.197 --> 00:15:08.897 In the middle of our safety meeting. Yeah. 00:15:09.677 --> 00:15:10.797 Oh, my God. 00:15:11.617 --> 00:15:16.737 Hey there, I want to interrupt for just a second. We are getting into a very sensitive topic here. 00:15:16.857 --> 00:15:19.477 So I wanted to just caution you that we are going to be talking about torture. 00:15:19.637 --> 00:15:20.437 And it's very sensitive. 00:15:20.637 --> 00:15:23.017 And it was something that we filmed on the Mythbusters episode. 00:15:23.477 --> 00:15:28.697 But it is actually something we have some regrets around. So just to give you 00:15:28.697 --> 00:15:30.997 a little caution before this conversation goes any further. 00:15:31.577 --> 00:15:35.557 Do you have any other memories of, like, wild stuff we put you on? 00:15:35.557 --> 00:15:40.477 Because I imagine when you came in and you're like, oh, I'm going to be a researcher and a producer. 00:15:40.517 --> 00:15:43.437 You didn't know you were going to be doing things like mixing gun cotton. 00:15:43.997 --> 00:15:53.357 Yeah. No. One weird one was, and this was a yucky episode, but the unfortunately 00:15:53.357 --> 00:15:55.917 titled Chinese Water Torture. 00:15:56.197 --> 00:15:58.497 Oh, God. That episode was awful. 00:15:58.857 --> 00:16:04.137 It was awful. But I don't know who, whether it was the higher ups at Beyond 00:16:04.137 --> 00:16:10.437 or someone decided they wanted to have a torture expert on camera. 00:16:10.597 --> 00:16:14.057 And I don't know if it ever made it on camera. I didn't see the episode. 00:16:14.337 --> 00:16:14.937 No, it didn't. 00:16:14.937 --> 00:16:19.897 But he wanted him to talk like he was an expert. And it turned out that I found a guy. 00:16:20.197 --> 00:16:22.977 I didn't know. Where do I start? Amnesty? 00:16:23.777 --> 00:16:29.317 Wow. But I found a guy who was willing to come on the show and talk about torture. 00:16:29.317 --> 00:16:32.817 and it's so weird because we're we're 00:16:32.817 --> 00:16:36.077 entertainment we're a tv show and it seemed 00:16:36.077 --> 00:16:42.597 really almost disrespectful to to do this um but the guy was very kind he came 00:16:42.597 --> 00:16:48.297 on he was very soft-spoken it turns out that he he himself was a victim of of 00:16:48.297 --> 00:16:55.357 torture of some sort and maybe that's why why he was pursuing it in in legal action but the the 00:16:56.593 --> 00:17:01.133 The thing that was so weird was at the time that I was asked to find a torture 00:17:01.133 --> 00:17:05.153 expert, the same time as we had just learned about Abu Ghraib, 00:17:05.333 --> 00:17:11.593 like the, the pictures of people like prisoners who are stacked like in pyramids 00:17:11.593 --> 00:17:16.493 and being, you know, humiliated by us soldiers was half and waterboarding. 00:17:16.773 --> 00:17:20.573 It was all like, that was, it was part of the conversation that was happening 00:17:20.573 --> 00:17:21.633 at that time politically. 00:17:21.933 --> 00:17:23.913 And here I am like, uh, uh, 00:17:24.509 --> 00:17:28.289 Can you come on my show and talk about torture? We're going to 00:17:28.289 --> 00:17:33.029 Have a little fun with some water torture, which I don't know if anybody really thought it through. 00:17:33.229 --> 00:17:38.589 So the myth is that you're tied down and that a constant drip of water onto 00:17:38.589 --> 00:17:40.589 your head can create madness. 00:17:40.929 --> 00:17:45.249 And first of all, they wanted it to look really real. Like this whole thing 00:17:45.249 --> 00:17:47.609 was like that. That episode shouldn't have happened. 00:17:47.909 --> 00:17:52.709 They wanted it to look really real. So we created a table that was sort of burned. 00:17:53.609 --> 00:17:58.109 I built like this old, like it was a, like a stretch. 00:17:58.329 --> 00:18:01.449 What is that? That old table where, you know, they have two, 00:18:01.449 --> 00:18:05.629 they tie your hands in your feet to the wheels and then they stretch you. 00:18:05.689 --> 00:18:10.069 So they wanted it to look like an old torture device. So that was. 00:18:10.169 --> 00:18:10.649 And it did. 00:18:10.809 --> 00:18:14.349 That was the basis. And then we had straps. We were each. No, 00:18:14.349 --> 00:18:16.709 we had shackles. Yeah, we were shackled to this table. 00:18:17.489 --> 00:18:20.569 Yeah. And it was, the table had some splinters to it because it was, 00:18:20.709 --> 00:18:22.369 it was supposed to look raw. 00:18:22.969 --> 00:18:28.189 And I remember, like, into the experiment, I mean, this just must have been 00:18:28.189 --> 00:18:32.169 hard to watch, but, like, into the experiment, I started crying. 00:18:32.449 --> 00:18:36.669 And I'm like, no, I'm just going to make it through because it was actually freaking torture. 00:18:37.109 --> 00:18:40.469 And then afterwards, yeah, I mean, Tori did a little bit better. 00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:43.529 We kept trying to up it with, like, a stream of water. 00:18:43.649 --> 00:18:47.149 But the whole thing was just, like, awful. And then, you know, 00:18:47.229 --> 00:18:50.049 we got so caught up in the entertainment of it and, you know, 00:18:50.109 --> 00:18:52.989 the cartoon like idea of it, because it was, you know, 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:55.989 it was definitely something had been used in movie tropes before that I don't 00:18:55.989 --> 00:18:59.849 think any of us really understood like what we were doing. 00:18:59.849 --> 00:19:03.229 And then when we all sat down with the torture expert and he's like, 00:19:03.349 --> 00:19:06.329 why are you guys screwing around with this and started telling us real stories? 00:19:06.729 --> 00:19:09.089 All of our hearts just kind of sank and we're like. 00:19:10.465 --> 00:19:12.165 This is a terrible idea. 00:19:12.545 --> 00:19:16.985 Do you remember how it happened? Like you brought him in. It was either me or 00:19:16.985 --> 00:19:19.425 you. I think I might have been on the table at the time. 00:19:19.785 --> 00:19:23.485 And he walked in and I just remembered you introducing your old. 00:19:23.565 --> 00:19:24.865 This is our torture expert. 00:19:25.065 --> 00:19:32.725 And he looked at us and it was like a father coming in and just disappointed by his kids. 00:19:32.925 --> 00:19:35.185 And he looked at us and he was like. 00:19:36.050 --> 00:19:42.370 Why are you guys doing this? Why are you doing? Like, he literally was just so, like, outraged. 00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.830 That we were doing this. And we all just were like, 00:19:45.610 --> 00:19:47.930 Because it's for television? I don't know. 00:19:48.110 --> 00:19:49.610 Your producer told us to. 00:19:50.370 --> 00:19:55.750 Oh, God. It was. Yeah. He was profoundly distressed. 00:19:55.990 --> 00:19:56.250 Yeah. 00:19:56.810 --> 00:19:58.370 Yeah. And rightfully so. 00:19:58.610 --> 00:20:02.010 Rightfully so. And then he started telling us about, like, the dental torture 00:20:02.010 --> 00:20:03.970 that he went through. And then we were just like. 00:20:04.390 --> 00:20:05.550 Exactly. I'm so sorry. 00:20:05.550 --> 00:20:06.590 We did this 00:20:06.590 --> 00:20:12.550 Yeah yeah yeah we shouldn't be doing this i seem to recall he was also like 00:20:12.550 --> 00:20:16.970 he had a story about quicksand and i was also working on the quicksand story 00:20:16.970 --> 00:20:21.070 at the same time like he'd also experienced quicksand like gotten caught in 00:20:21.070 --> 00:20:23.030 quicksand like the poor guy 00:20:23.030 --> 00:20:28.090 You're all quick come with me you're not going to be upset with this one yeah 00:20:28.090 --> 00:20:31.790 Right i feel like it really changed how we uh 00:20:31.790 --> 00:20:36.730 we we started to assert our opinions about when a myth was bad at the onset 00:20:36.730 --> 00:20:42.110 like we we definitely uh figured out like okay no we're not gonna do that and 00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:48.490 it definitely laid some groundwork for us because that was that was a one-of-a-kind pretty awful yeah. 00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:52.050 Yeah in the early wild west days of of the show 00:20:52.050 --> 00:20:57.670 Well i i remember one thing he brought to our attention he goes look you guys are 00:20:59.110 --> 00:21:03.890 you're make believing like this is you're playing torture in a real torture 00:21:03.890 --> 00:21:07.930 situation you don't know if you're going to get out alive like you can never 00:21:07.930 --> 00:21:12.190 test that in this experiment and that's why you'll never get to the bottom of 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:15.350 it and it was like god he's right like we could do 00:21:16.074 --> 00:21:19.194 go through this horrible experience and it would suck. 00:21:19.234 --> 00:21:23.574 But to know that someone's going to release you when you say I'm done, 00:21:23.794 --> 00:21:27.874 you don't have that luxury in a real torture situation. 00:21:28.314 --> 00:21:29.554 Do you have any more fun stories? 00:21:31.714 --> 00:21:34.574 Carrie, what goes in hard and comes out soft? 00:21:34.794 --> 00:21:37.114 I am terrified of where this is going. 00:21:37.854 --> 00:21:40.034 Pasta, what's wrong with you? 00:21:40.494 --> 00:21:45.754 Well, I know that we have an ad to read for Rougiette. 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And so Rougiat knows we sent you. 00:23:20.728 --> 00:23:23.808 What were your myths up at New Mexico Tech? 00:23:24.748 --> 00:23:30.808 We blew up a cement truck with AMFO, like a huge amount of AMFO. 00:23:31.008 --> 00:23:35.568 And that was really cool because the crew vehicles, which were parked like literally 00:23:35.568 --> 00:23:38.148 a mile away, were all damaged. 00:23:38.468 --> 00:23:45.148 Like they had pieces of fragment and shrapnel, like it just tore through them. 00:23:45.368 --> 00:23:49.268 And it was it was hilarious because, you know, they're all rental cars from 00:23:49.268 --> 00:23:52.868 Enterprise. and we're like driving them back to turn them in. 00:23:52.968 --> 00:23:55.848 They're like, what happened? 00:23:56.208 --> 00:24:00.848 You know, they're drivable, but they're just like, they had giant tears through 00:24:00.848 --> 00:24:02.528 them. They're just shredded. 00:24:03.088 --> 00:24:08.128 Oh my God, we did that a lot with rental cars. I know that when we were out 00:24:08.128 --> 00:24:12.248 in the desert with our rental cars and we were trying to kick up a dust storm 00:24:12.248 --> 00:24:15.808 by driving around in a circle for a mid-air. 00:24:15.808 --> 00:24:17.248 I was in that circle, yeah. 00:24:17.248 --> 00:24:22.268 Yeah, like the dust cloud was supposed to hide our heat signature and it was 00:24:22.268 --> 00:24:24.928 from, what movie was that from? 00:24:25.815 --> 00:24:30.335 I forget. It's a Ridley Scott movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. 00:24:30.655 --> 00:24:35.295 Right. So they were switching cars so you didn't know where the kidnapped victim was going. 00:24:35.535 --> 00:24:38.455 And it was a heat signature from a helicopter. So we had a helicopter above. 00:24:38.595 --> 00:24:39.835 We were creating this big dust cloud. 00:24:40.155 --> 00:24:45.615 And we created these ditches because the playa is really soft. 00:24:45.895 --> 00:24:53.075 And one of the drivers had, I think it was Noble, had the car tire hit a ditch 00:24:53.075 --> 00:24:57.535 and we rolled the car. And then we returned it to the rental agency. 00:24:57.775 --> 00:25:02.275 No, that one did not get returned. That went to the junkyard. 00:25:02.475 --> 00:25:06.975 I remember we were behind him. So Noble, you guys got to know who this guy is. 00:25:07.055 --> 00:25:09.215 He was one of our builders on Mythbusters. 00:25:09.395 --> 00:25:11.575 But he looked like he stepped out of Mad Max. 00:25:11.835 --> 00:25:14.835 Like he looks like he looked like Mad Max. 00:25:14.995 --> 00:25:19.915 We just always in black fatigues. And he just, he like chains. 00:25:20.075 --> 00:25:20.955 I mean, he was hilarious. 00:25:21.215 --> 00:25:25.635 So he was taking this experiment way too seriously and was like, 00:25:25.815 --> 00:25:29.435 We learned that if you would turn the wheel and hit the gas, 00:25:29.615 --> 00:25:32.555 it would kick up a huge cloud of dust. 00:25:32.715 --> 00:25:38.175 And so he was just in it to win it. It was just like, and then he turned the 00:25:38.175 --> 00:25:42.955 wheel too hard and he hit the gas too hard. And the whole thing just flipped. 00:25:43.095 --> 00:25:47.075 And we were like, God, like, holy crap, they're dead. 00:25:47.987 --> 00:25:52.167 Well, I mean, all those cars, the ones that we didn't flip, we definitely returned 00:25:52.167 --> 00:25:54.567 very, very, very, very dirty. 00:25:54.967 --> 00:26:02.787 They were a little worse for wear. I'm sure that there was a little bit of damage 00:26:02.787 --> 00:26:04.907 done. I hope you guys got the extra insurance for that one. 00:26:05.027 --> 00:26:08.227 I mean, if you don't return a car, how do you explain that? 00:26:08.587 --> 00:26:10.567 Yeah. We lost it. 00:26:12.087 --> 00:26:18.367 Do you remember Noble? So we had Noble And then John was another producer On 00:26:18.367 --> 00:26:19.987 the show they were both in that 00:26:20.747 --> 00:26:27.927 Vehicle and I just Remember the two of them The way they reacted Noble jumped out and like was all 00:26:28.939 --> 00:26:35.559 like that was awesome everyone okay and john came out like in shock he was just like what 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:41.419 Happened yeah yeah yeah 00:26:41.419 --> 00:26:44.839 his shoulder was pretty banged up on that one that 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:49.139 was terrifying because as we were driving around in the circle like and the 00:26:49.139 --> 00:26:53.119 dust is being generated you can't see how close you are to the car in front 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.779 of you yeah like eventually you'll see the the the taillights but you can't 00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.799 see them until you're right on top of it. And so it was it was kind of scary. 00:27:02.239 --> 00:27:06.139 And everyone on the radio is going, we have to go faster. We have to go faster. 00:27:06.459 --> 00:27:09.779 So you're like trying to go faster and you're terrified. 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.579 I can't see the car in front of me. 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:12.739 Yeah. Right. 00:27:12.879 --> 00:27:15.279 Trying to remember if there was ever a time where you said no, 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:20.319 like, guys, that's that's just not going to happen because no matter what it 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.479 was, like, you'd be like, oh, we'd be like, hey, we need a civil war rifle. 00:27:23.479 --> 00:27:28.099