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Unknown: Well, hello. Hello,
guys. You're listening to beauty

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bites with Dr Kay secrets of a
plastic surgeon, and today's

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podcast is so super interesting.
I want to talk all about

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peptides and peptide science,
and we're doing it with a

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amazing expert. This is Patricia
Boland. We call her Trish. She

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leads color science as the
Senior Vice President of R and D

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and quality, and she has a huge
experience in product innovation

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and development, and I love how
cosmosetically elegant all the

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color science products are, and
she's one of the people that's

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responsible for the form, the
final formulations of these

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amazing, patented, award winning
products, some of my favorite

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sunscreens out there. But I
think today's podcast is

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particularly interesting because
we're going to talk about the

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role of vitamin D the skin
barrier, and how your skin makes

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its own vitamin D if you get the
right exposures and the right

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boosters. And she is a beautiful
second generation Texan wife a

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mother of two. She's a boss at
color science, and she's also

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even worked at Laura Mercier
cosmetics as chief beauty

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director, and I think she brings
so much interest and interesting

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innovation to what we're doing
in cosmeceuticals. So welcome to

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the podcast, Trish.

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Thank you so much. It's great to
be with you. I'm always honored

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and excited to spend more time
with you. So thank you.

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Yeah, Trish is one of my
favorite people at meetings to,

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like, escape the meeting and go
sit somewhere and just talk.

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Likewise. Likewise. What are we
doing for our lifestyle,

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longevity and, like, great,
latest and greatest supplements,

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products and things that we're
trying? So talk to us a little

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bit. You Bet you've had this
remarkable career going from

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Laura Mercier to over to color
science, and here at color

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science really leading research
and development and innovation

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with brand new ingredients. And
what are the ingredients that

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are you're so excited about this
year? Gosh,

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there. There have been a few.
You know, we're always meeting

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with different ingredient
suppliers. And, you know, we

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have some that that we really
lean into a lot, because they do

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so much, so much clinical
studying on their ingredients.

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They look at them in different
dosages. And you know, they know

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that that is one of the
prerequisites for using a an

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ingredient in one of our
formulas is that we need to know

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that it has clinical evidence.
We need to know at what dosage

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does it provide, what benefit.
And so, you know, a lot of times

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we get access to them first. And
are, you know, constantly

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looking at the pipeline and
looking at, where can we use

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this? Where is it going to make
the greatest impact? What is it

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synergistic with? And so there
have been some really cool

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peptides we've seen in the last
few years. There have been a lot

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of great botanical extracts too.
You know, I think we're seeing

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this resurgence of botanicals.
And, you know, some of these

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fantastic properties that they
can offer to our skin and our

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skin processes. So that's, I
think, what I'm most excited

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about. And then the synergy, you
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then, of course, with sun care
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I love that color science is
definitely a leader in mineral

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sunscreens. What are some of the
biggest innovations that you've

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seen in this space? Because you
guys have recently come out with

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a bunch of products that have
gone viral and are just so

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usable and so beautiful and
great for skin.

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Yeah, thank you. Thank you for
that. Thank you for that. You

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know, I think it's, it's just
finding technology partners that

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understand your mission. You
know, our mission is to be sure

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that we create ways that SPF
becomes a daily habit. It

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becomes, you know, as intuitive
as brushing our teeth or taking

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a shower, or, you know, getting
dressed. And so we look for ways

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that we can incorporate wearing
sun protection in everyday life.

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I always say the best product is
something that you can live in,

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and to me, that means that you
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it. It is very intuitive, and
it's something that you like the

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way it makes you feel, or you
like the way it makes you look,

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and if those things are true,
you will continue to reach for

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it. And so I think the biggest
innovations have been these

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unique zinc oxide dispersions,
so that they go into different

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formulas. And. A very
cosmetically elegant way. You

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don't have the white cast that
used to be associated with

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minerals. The texture is nice.
It's not drying on the skin. It

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doesn't feel heavy or occlusive.
And then I think the the benefit

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of being able to combine things
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mineral SPF active with things
like iron oxides that are

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delivering not only immediate
color. So you have that cosmetic

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benefit, cosmetic enhancement,
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the HEV protection. You know, we
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also iron oxides help with
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light, and while we get the most
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exposure, it's the cumulative
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about. So, you know, a lot of
times people will say, Well, I'm

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inside all day. You know, I
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work from home, and so I don't
really, you know, feel like I

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need SPF every day, but we're
trying to create products that

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are doing more, you know, going
beyond just the UV going into

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HEV, going into into IR
pollution protection. So there

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have been a lot of really cool
advancements in mineral

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sunscreens in the last few
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Love that. I think that is so
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that sunscreens will evolve to
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come into the skin with while
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against damage.

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I hope, I hope so. I think that
that would be so cool. But, you

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know, a lot of what what you see
brands doing now, a lot of what

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we do at color science is that
total protection. So it may not

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be with just one active but, you
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zinc oxide, for example, zinc
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UVA part of the spectrum, but it
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the UVB. That's why you see, you
know, formulas that are using

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only zinc oxide for the SPF
protective benefit. But then you

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also, like I was saying before,
you can combine that with

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different levels of the yellow
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oxides, and that, combined with
zinc oxide, is also giving you

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HEV. And then we do know that
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have attenuation benefits out
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spectrum. So I think right now,
not necessarily one ingredient

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that does all of it, but I think
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combination of ingredients
readily available today that we

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can use in the right amounts,
the right dosages to still get a

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really nice, you know, complete
broad spectrum attenuation, but

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also have a Nice, you know,
esthetic benefit, have textures

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that you can wear and that you
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I love that. So there's been a
lot of talk this year about skin

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barrier and how important the
skin barrier is to keep it

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intact and replenished. Skin
being your biggest organ. Can

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you talk a little bit about skin
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Yeah, I think, I think skin
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Barrier, I think, has become a
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last few years, but I think, you
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in the industry, we think of
skin barrier as making sure that

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our skin is protected, making
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fundamentals. I think of it that
way. We've got to be sure that

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we're keeping the skin hydrated.
We have to be sure that collagen

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and elastin is still being
produced, and that it's quality

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collagen and elastin. We have to
think about things like skin

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cell turnover, and you know,
that slows down as as we age. So

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we want to be sure that we're
paying attention to that, that

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we're focusing on things that
are regenerating skin, that are

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helping it to heal and repair.
So I think even though barrier

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health skin barrier has become a
term or a buzzword that we're

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hearing a lot more in the last
few years. I think it really

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just comes down to
fundamentally, what are the

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things that we can do for our
skin and I think it also a and

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I'd be interested to know if you
agree with agree with us. I

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think it lends itself to such a
wide range of skin types. You

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know, it's, it's not something
like hyperpigmentation or

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redness rosacea, that's more
targeted barrier health is

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something that we all need. We
all need to be focused on. And

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it, it should be, I think, very
much kind of table stakes for.

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Or, you know, a skin care
formulation.

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Yeah, the more we learn about
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the more important. I think that
barrier is because this whole

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idea of the skin being connected
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connected with the brain, like,
there was a really interesting

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study that showed patients in a
nursing home when they just had

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skin barrier repair, like,
literally, something so simple

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as putting a good lipid
emollient on their extremities

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every day that their dementia

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improved and they had to
control, wow, so crazy.

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Like, is that the human
interaction of massaging it in?

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I think it's more than that. I
literally think that this, you

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know, the crate texture and the
loss of trans epidermal water

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and, like, the exposure to
organisms and inflammatory

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mediators that come in through
your skin, like, right,

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the immune defense piece of it,
and then, yeah, that was

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so super interesting. So I think
there's such a big gut, brain

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connection and connection to the
skin, of course, and we've seen

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this that when we improve the
barrier, the symptom,

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inflammatory symptoms, go down,
right, like rosacea, right? Get

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calming effect. And then we see
the opposite to where our

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patients do too much on their
skin, like too much retinol, too

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much Retin A, too much needling,
lasering, like not giving the

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barrier yes to regenerate. So I
think that's super important as

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Yeah, I think so too, because I
think our skin fatigues right

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when we're doing so many things
to it, and there you we have to

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give it time to heal. We have to
give it time to repair. And we,

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you know, have to give it all of
those things that it needs in

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order to function as optimized
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you're right. I think we've and
it's got to be a in a the right

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harmony, right the the kind of
the right consistency of of it

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Exactly. Now you guys have come
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some barrier issues. Let's talk
about that, because that's so

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exciting. It has both barrier
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of stimulating skin's production
of vitamin D levels.

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Yes, absolutely. So before I get
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sort of back up a little to how
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this idea is, you know, to your
point point barrier health,

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we're talking a lot more about
it and understanding that it is

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a primary need, a fundamental
need, for all of our skins. And

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so about a year ago, maybe a
little more than a year, we

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launched our barrier pro
platform of products, and so we

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just launched with a cleanser
and a moisturizer. But the the

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moisturizer, especially, it's so
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and we call it our essential
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it has essentially a hydration,
moisturization complex. It has a

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microbiome complex. So we have a
pre, a pro and a post biotic in

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the formula. And then we also
have ingredients that we refer

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to as I know you've heard us say
this adaptive response. And to

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us, adaptive response means
there are so many ingredients

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that are able to help our skin
respond better to certain, you

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know, things. So the opsins in
our skin that respond to light.

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So there's an ingredient, a
hydrolyzed pea protein, that is

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helping with the DNA repair
pathways and helping our skin to

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better respond when we're
exposed to light. So it helps to

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our skin to defend itself more
readily, more aptly. And so I

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think you know this approach of
having all of those together,

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it's, again, so much more than a
moisturizer, and I mentioned

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that we did a cleanser as well.
And so this next step was

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launching a serum spray. And so
we wanted something that could

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be delivered in a slightly, you
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So serums, you think of
typically, you know, pumping in

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your hand and massaging them
into the skin. We wanted

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something that you could spray
on, but something that you could

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use, not just for your face. You
could use it for face, for neck,

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for decollete. I mean, you could
spray it on your shoulders,

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really, anywhere. And our
thought was, let's infuse it

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with those same barrier repair,
barrier health ingredients, the

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hydration, the microbiome,
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But can we take the adaptive
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being that we, you know, offer
so many mineral SPF options,

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what we hear a lot is, well,
what about my vitamin D? What

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about my vitamin. D, and we know
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deficient or deficient and have
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not only do we not have enough
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have isn't working as
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you know, one reason or another.
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different ingredients and
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opportunities to address this,
we came across a very unique

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Chrono peptide ingredient that
has great synergy with a plant

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cell, nectar that comes from a
succulent plant, and together,

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these two have the ability to
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activation more consistent, but
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synthesis of vitamin D in both
our fibroblast and in our

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keratinocytes. So actually being
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vitamin D synthesis to the
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kind of aha moment for us,
seeing these two ingredients,

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learning about them again,
looking at the dosages that the

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ingredient suppliers had
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at, how can they be really
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offer, also offering that
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helping those light repair
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this concept was born, and the
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be outside in order to trigger
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activation and to start that
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I think a lot of people are not
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take as an oral supplement
exists and goes down fully

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different metabolic pathways
than the vitamin D that your

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skin, right internally, makes
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little bit about that, like,
what's Yeah,

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so you know that was interesting
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taking some type of Vitamin D
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supplement that we're ingesting
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our liver, and it's very
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that is created in our skin. So
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into this, I didn't realize how
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actually created by our skin and
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90% of the vitamin D, that is,
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that our body is using, is
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your point earlier, our skin is
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think about it, and you have
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make sense, and it also makes
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many of us are vitamin D
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in our vitamin D production, and
so when we are exposed, and so I

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miss I mentioned UV because
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vitamin D called the sunshine.
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our vitamin D receptors in our
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off, you know, an entire process
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those receptors then are able to
act as vitamin D can then act

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as, you know, co factors, and is
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see that it's both in our
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fibroblast. There are even
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melanocytes. And so

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you don't realize that, I didn't
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making vitamin D,

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right? And so we, as we started
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what kind of things, you know, I
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that's so cool. But then, what
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look like on the skin? Because,
you know, there are lots of

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things that that we could spray
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but at the end of the day, we're
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of change or sign of
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started studying this more and
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improved circulate, like micro
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better oxygenation of the skin.
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We saw things like redness start
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you know. I automatically think
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eyes and and things like that.
We saw that start to improve. We

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saw luminosity in the skin start
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because the initial study we

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did, I should mention, was a
four week study. It was a four

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week in you study. We wanted to
use it on subjects that were

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either using, you know, maybe
more novice and we're using very

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straightforward skin care
regimens. And then we also

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wanted to use it on, you know,
people like you and I that are,

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that are have access to a lot of
different treatments, and, you

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know, are using a lot of
different, maybe more advanced,

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skin care options. And in both
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improvement in skin what looked
like skin tautness, one of the

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studies called it skin tonicity.
So not necessarily, necessarily

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meaning color of the skin, but
like, if you think of tone when

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you exercise and your muscles
get toned, you know, just the

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kind of the overall quality of
our skin. And so we saw

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improvements in that where it's
too early, you know, four weeks

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is really too early to start
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and oxygenation and hydration
that's also happening as as a

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result of vitamin D synthesis
and all of this started almost

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mimicking, if I could use that,
that kind of word, started

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mimicking the look of stronger,
firmer skin, just the overall

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quality, smoothness, pore size
was improved. So it was we've

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got more studies that we're
starting right now, but that was

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a real, you know, eye opener for
for us to to see all of the

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things, all of the ways that
vitamin D can impact the look

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and the quality of our skin.

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So for me, that implies that I
will put this spray on in the

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mornings, first layer, but I'm
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sunscreen on top of that, like,
what is that going to impact the

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sun exposure and the
magnification of the vitamin D

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production, because some UVB is
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It's not so, yeah. So I'm so
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way that we recommend using it
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so morning and evening, after we
cleanse our skin, this is going

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to be one of the first things
you put on, put on. So if you're

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putting on a toner or something
that requires, you know, you to

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wipe something on, then you
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would come next, and you want to
give it a moment to absorb into

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the skin. But then you do, you
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regimen, absolutely, we're going
to want to do SPF. But then if

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you do go out and you're exposed
to to UV, and we're worried,

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right? You're you mentioned,
well, the SPF is sort of, it's

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it's shielding, it's protecting
from that UV. So how is the

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vitamin D being synthesized? And
so that's where this unique

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chronoppeptide. This peptide
ingredient is really unique and

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differentiated, because it has
the ability to keep that vitamin

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D receptor activated even if
you're not exposed to UV so that

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means that at night, when we're
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UV or even you don't have to be
sleeping. You're just the sun

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has gone down, and you know,
there is no UV exposure. There

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is still a vitamin D receptor
activation happening, which

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means that you can, you have the
ability to continue synthesizing

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the vitamin D that then combined
with this plant cell nectar that

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I mentioned, comes from a
succulent plant. And this plant

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has the ability to regulate its
its its water capacity, its

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water content. It has the
ability to protect itself

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against UV but most importantly,
we saw at different dosages, it

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has the ability to increase
vitamin D synthesis, and it was

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studied in both keratinocytes
and fibroblasts. It also has the

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ability, I mentioned the
hydration piece to increase the

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tissue water index, so we have
more hydration in our skin as

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well. And so when you have those
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with an SPF 50 cream, which I
thought was so brilliant and so

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unique. Being that, you know
we're, we're really trying to

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make daily SPF a habit as I, as
I shared now, you have this

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really unique ability that you
don't need UV to trigger that

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vitamin D, vitamin D receptor
activation. You don't need that

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to happen, because you've got
this unique chronoptide, and

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then you have this plant cell
nectar that is helping with your

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reserves of vitamin D and
helping to hydrate the skin

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through that tissue, you know,
water index measurements. And so

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we can see that that is
happening, and then it's leading

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to all of these great benefits
that you can see in terms of

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your your barrier health and
your skin quality.

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That's so fascinating that we
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plant that, probably through
millions of years of evolution,

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developed this characteristic
because it has to avoid getting

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scorched and like, right retain
water, and so this peptide kind

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of fits like a lock and key
right into that human vitamin D,

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you know, trigger and whatever
receptor is prompting the

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production of vitamin D. That's
so interesting. Do you see blood

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levels change of vitamin D? Or
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We haven't gone that far. We are
heading into that next so we are

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just now kicking off. I should,
I shouldn't say just now kicking

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off. We've actually been working
on the protocol for quite some

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time, but we are about to start.
We are starting with the subject

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enrollment. We're using a third
a third party lab, and our

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starting subject enrollment, and
we will look at, not only blood

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serum levels for the vitamin D
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different microbiome benefits
that this this ingredient,

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because it still has that pre
Pro and post biotic. And we know

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that the the synergy between our
barrier, our microbiome, you

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know, vitamin D, synthesis, all
of those things work to work

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together. It's important to
have, you know, a healthy,

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balanced microbiome, so that you
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D in the skin that all of these
processes are optimized. So part

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of the study will be not only
the serum levels, not only the

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microbiome piece, but then also
looking at some instrumentation

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data, looking at hydration
levels in the skin, looking at

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any changes in for example,
redness, skin tone, elasticity,

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firmness, those kinds of things.
So I'm really excited for that

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to kick off. It's going to be a
longer study. This one is a 12

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week study across, you know,
many subjects, I think it's 30

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subjects that we're going with,
and so that, you know, we'll be

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excited to share that data once
we get it.

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That's exciting. I think it's so
important in this industry

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that's really filled with a lot
of marketing hype, that brands

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like color science, you guys are
very good at investing in

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clinical studies and actual data
to kind of build trust with

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physicians and consumers.

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I think you have to, I mean, I
really think that clinical

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studies today are their table
stakes. You You have to be able

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to really demonstrate what your
product is doing, and sometimes

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also what it's not doing. And I
think that we at color science

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are in a in a unique situation,
because we sell, as you know,

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direct to to the consumer, but
we also sell directly to you as

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the you know physician, as the
skin health professional. And so

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we have to make sure that when
we're creating a new product,

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that we've looked at the
science, not just of the

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ingredients, but what is that
biological process that the

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ingredient or that the complex
or the product itself is

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targeting, and then, how do we
prove it to you? How do we prove

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it to you as the professional?
And are we able to, you know,

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speak that same language and to
properly articulate what what

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the product benefit is, but also
being able to distill that a bit

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and explain to the consumer why
this is a meaningful addition to

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to their daily routine and what
those benefits are. So I think

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again, clinicals, we really
pride ourselves not only on

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studying the products that we're
bringing to market, but studying

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them in unique ways so that we
can articulate the benefit and

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how that fits into someone's
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This product is going to be
amazing. I love the thinking

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that's gone in. To it like just
the concept of putting a

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prebiotic and a postbiotic and a
probiotic, all of that in one

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bottle. And yeah, love that. It
uses peptides, which are some of

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the strongest communicating
molecules in our body. I

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think they're the best, yeah. I
mean, yeah, they're the best.

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And there are so many peptides,
you know, we're seeing so many

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of them, so making sure that the
delivery is there and that we're

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able to deliver them where we
need them. But yeah, we we love

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peptides. We turn to peptides a
lot. And you know, most peptides

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work in the dermis, but we have
another peptide that we use and

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some of our other products, it's
actually in our barrier Pro,

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essential moisturizer that works
specifically in the epidermis.

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So I think we'll continue to see
a lot of innovation in, you

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know, various peptides and
combinations of peptides. So

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very exciting.

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That's the year of the peptide.
Yeah, I love it. Well,

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dermascope Magazine said that
you were a beauty architect.

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What do you think is one of the
most important kind of blueprint

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for, you know, taking care of
your skin? Like, if you had to

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recommend a single most
important piece of advice for

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protection, for the blueprint
for beauty?

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Yeah, I think it's SPF. I think
we say a lot at color science

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that sun care is the first step
to skin care, and that, you

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know, really SPF is skin care.
I'll tell you, I was not good to

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my skin. You know, as as a young
woman, I loved being in the sun.

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We had a house near the beach,
and spent every weekend there.

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And, you know, back then it
that's, if you used SPF, you

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would use it if you're, you
know, on the beach all day or

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something like that. And, and I
just, I grew up in the in the

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time of tanning beds, and, you
know, the the more tan you were,

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the more fit you looked. I mean
crazy things that when I say

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them now, they just sound
ludicrous, because they are, but

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I can tell you, just in the last
13 years, even of you know,

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being part of color science and
leading this innovation team

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wearing an SPF 50 every day has
so dramatically changed my skin.

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And, you know, I've done other
things too, right, but the way

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that it has transformed. And so
I would, I would just say, you

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know, starting with an SPF, I
tell my daughter, you know, my

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son, the number one thing is to
wear an SPF every day. And then,

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of course, you want to be sure
that you're, you know, hydrating

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your skin, that you're focusing
on barrier health. Antioxidants

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are great. I sort of think of
that as barrier health too. But

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I think finding a great, you
know, barrier product that you

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love, but also just making sure
you have an SPF that you'll

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apply every day, having
something that you can reapply

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is great as well. But just for
sure, sun protection,

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that's right, 90% of aging is
from the lovely sun. Well, this

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has been so fascinating. I hope
everybody listening got an

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insider's peek into the ideas of
vitamin D production coming from

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your skin, intrinsically and
being so important, I think, for

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overall skin glow. Thank you.
Trish, where can people find you

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if they want to reach out?

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Yeah, thank you. So I am on
LinkedIn. You can find me

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Patricia McGill Boland. You can
also find me at our Instagram.

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So you can, you can go to the
color science, or you can find

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me at color science,

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Trish. I love it. Well, guys,
you heard it here first. It's

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all about vitamin D in the skin.
This is, this is new. We only

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thought of vitamin A in the
past, and now we're going to

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have all these conversations
about vitamin D, and I'm here

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for it. That's it for now. Guys,
don't forget to find me on my

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instagram. It's Beauty by Doctor
k, d, r, k, a, y, and our

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website is the same. It's Beauty
by Doctor kay.com and that's

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where you can learn more and
more about skin longevity and

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all the things we're doing for
health, beauty and wellness.

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Love you guys and stay
beautiful. You