<v Speaker1>I immediately just had a flashback to when we did the cereal myth.

<v Speaker1>Do you remember Jamie and Adam were doing the myth that there's more nutrition

<v Speaker1>in a cereal box than the cereal itself?

<v Speaker1>And they did a whole experiment with mice that went horribly wrong.

<v Speaker0>Horribly wrong. Welcome, MythFits.

<v Speaker0>Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of MythBits, the podcast.

<v Speaker0>Carrie, it's been a while. You've been traveling quite a bit. Where'd you go?

<v Speaker1>So I was just in Australia for a cybersecurity conference.

<v Speaker1>I was doing a keynote on future-ready skills for the next generation and how

<v Speaker1>we can inspire kids into STEM careers.

<v Speaker1>It was a it was I basically took the job because it was in Sydney and I wanted

<v Speaker1>to visit some friends in Sydney.

<v Speaker1>So I turned it into like a work play trip.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. No kidding. I mean, getting paid to travel. Those are the best jobs ever.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. I also like that whole the STEM festival is like my my other gig where

<v Speaker1>I'm trying to make it global.

<v Speaker1>So I was pitching the National STEM Festival to Australia to see if like they want to do it, too.

<v Speaker1>But the fun part was I got to go see both some old friends that you've never

<v Speaker1>met, but our old cameraman Benny and I had like... I saw the photo.

<v Speaker0>I'm so jealous.

<v Speaker1>You two used to be bachelors in the city running around, having a good time.

<v Speaker1>And now you're both dads. He's got three boys. I know.

<v Speaker0>They are a handful. It's so weird because you know how like you meet somebody

<v Speaker0>later in life, you know, your adult life and, you know, it's like the friends

<v Speaker0>that you have when you're a kid, you stay close forever, right?

<v Speaker0>But Ben was like a person who was like, how did we not, like we should have

<v Speaker0>met each other when we were little kids.

<v Speaker0>Like how did we miss out on hanging out this long because you're so much fun

<v Speaker0>and one of my best friends.

<v Speaker1>Oh, he was definitely your buddy on the show. The two of you were so tight.

<v Speaker1>And I was so excited to have some glasses of wine with him.

<v Speaker1>And while we were outside, because we were in Manly, which is like beach town.

<v Speaker1>All of a sudden, like a skywriter started writing, marry me.

<v Speaker0>Oh, no way.

<v Speaker1>And I was like looking around, just like totally trying to see somebody who was excited.

<v Speaker1>And like the boys were watching. We were all just like, oh, my God.

<v Speaker1>Oh, my God. Are they going to say no? Where is this person? We could never figure out who was it for.

<v Speaker0>Yeah.

<v Speaker1>But I was it had me thinking because, you know, I posted it because I thought

<v Speaker1>it was so, so, you know, it was adorable. So I posted on Instagram instantly, my DMs filled up.

<v Speaker1>Kim trail conspiracies.

<v Speaker0>Oh, whoa.

<v Speaker1>I mean, that's when they came into Mythbusters all the time.

<v Speaker1>The Kim trail conspiracy that like, you know, that erroneous long belief that

<v Speaker1>the government is spraying chemicals in into the condensation out of airplanes.

<v Speaker1>And that you can tell because they the trails stay longer than regular trails.

<v Speaker1>And I think it was in the 90s.

<v Speaker1>It started people were just going crazy for chemtrails but it's one of those

<v Speaker1>conspiracy theories that's been debunked but i thought it would be like kind

<v Speaker1>of a fun myth buster episode

<v Speaker0>Wait who debunked it are you sure about that really i'm i'm telling you there's

<v Speaker0>so many things that are conspiracy theories that are now coming true that it's

<v Speaker0>like it's i feel like you you know you do a little bit of research because i

<v Speaker0>like i don't know show me show me well i.

<v Speaker1>Mean the scientific community has been, has debunked this over and over and

<v Speaker1>over for many years that this, you know, it can't be true, that it's just condensation,

<v Speaker1>that, you know, the government isn't spraying chemicals. But I will give you this.

<v Speaker1>There was this book a long time ago. I think we've talked about this called Behold the Pale Horse.

<v Speaker1>And it is like, it's just a hotbed for

<v Speaker1>conspiracies and everybody my age who

<v Speaker1>is super into conspiracy theories read this

<v Speaker1>book long ago and there you put in

<v Speaker1>a bunch of conspiracy theories that were untrue but a couple that were true

<v Speaker1>just so it kind of gave it a basis one of them was that in 1950 the navy did

<v Speaker1>an experiment to see what kind of biological warfare would work in fog so they

<v Speaker1>basically sprayed a bacteria you

<v Speaker1>That was like some sort of rhinovirus, something that would give you,

<v Speaker1>you know, just like nasal congestion into the San Francisco Bay fog to see how far it would spread.

<v Speaker1>And one dude actually died from his sickness.

<v Speaker1>Like, but lots of people caught it. So it actually kind of proved that you can

<v Speaker1>do this with bacteria in the fog.

<v Speaker1>Thank God for climate change because there's just like way less fog out here

<v Speaker1>now. So I feel a lot safer.

<v Speaker0>I mean, like the whole MKUltra, right?

<v Speaker0>That the CIA was experimenting on unbeknownst subjects with LSD.

<v Speaker0>And they, you know, they had no idea. Are you familiar with that?

<v Speaker1>I am familiar with that. That it was given to soldiers, right?

<v Speaker0>Well, it was, they were experimenting on men who were going to brothels because

<v Speaker0>they didn't, you know, the guy is not going to go, oh, I went to this brothel.

<v Speaker0>And I started having insane thoughts.

<v Speaker0>And so it was this whole program where they were giving, and they may have given

<v Speaker0>it to soldiers as well, but they were trying to see if they could control people,

<v Speaker0>mind control, with using LSD.

<v Speaker1>Have you ever done LSD?

<v Speaker0>That's all. No, I've never done LSD. I've done shrooms.

<v Speaker1>I did it once at a Grateful Dead show because I feel like when in Rome and I

<v Speaker1>could see how your mind would be controlled. It was a weird sort of young,

<v Speaker1>misspent youth experience.

<v Speaker1>I never did it again, but I just didn't like feeling that out of control.

<v Speaker1>But suddenly I understood tie-dyes. Like, oh, I get this. I absolutely get jam

<v Speaker1>bands and I totally get just really spirally tie-dyes.

<v Speaker0>That's funny. It's funny. I saw that picture of Ben and you and I was so jealous.

<v Speaker0>Cause I just, I love Australia. And every time I would go, I would go stay with him.

<v Speaker0>And it's like they're trying to kill themselves.

<v Speaker0>By drinking like it literally like every night we would go out we would have

<v Speaker0>our you know they would order beers and then we wouldn't even be like halfway

<v Speaker0>through and somebody's ordering another around it was just like how do you guys

<v Speaker0>do it like you are literally drinking like there is no tomorrow yeah.

<v Speaker1>I did I did have a couple glasses of wine with Benny when I was there for sure

<v Speaker1>that's that's just kind of felt like Australian tradition our whole crew was

<v Speaker1>Australian And they used to start kicking off, cracking open beers at like four o'clock.

<v Speaker1>And we're like, yeah, dude, it's it's a Tuesday and I'm using a power saw. I can't join you.

<v Speaker0>But he was one of the best cameramen on the show because before him are the

<v Speaker0>cameramen where they were a little bit lazy sometimes where, you know,

<v Speaker0>where he would try to be right where the action was.

<v Speaker0>I remember we were doing an experiment at the trapeze school in Oakland,

<v Speaker0>and I had to climb up to the top of this platform.

<v Speaker0>I forget what the episode was, but he climbed up first so that he can get the

<v Speaker0>shot of me climbing up the ladder.

<v Speaker0>And I'm going, oh, my God, like every other cameraman would just be they'd stay

<v Speaker0>on the ground and just film up at the platform. And this guy is like,

<v Speaker0>I'm going to come up ahead of you to get the shot.

<v Speaker0>And then I remember one time we were getting, I was getting dragged by a horse

<v Speaker0>and he was following me on an ATB filming.

<v Speaker0>You know, somebody was driving the ATB and he was holding onto the guy filming

<v Speaker0>to, to capture me as I'm getting dragged by the horse.

<v Speaker0>He was just the craziest cameraman.

<v Speaker1>That was gnarly.

<v Speaker1>Being dragged by a horse. That was such a gnarly experiment.

<v Speaker1>And I remember that day it was over, it was like over a hundred degrees and

<v Speaker1>I got heat stroke and fainted.

<v Speaker1>Like just was like, like, and I wasn't even being dragged.

<v Speaker0>You were, you were a delicate, you were a delicate little flower.

<v Speaker1>Delicate little flower.

<v Speaker0>That was, what episode was that?

<v Speaker0>That was, uh, if your genes catch on fire from friction, right? Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Yeah.

<v Speaker0>And so I get in these pair of jeans and I have all this body armor on and they

<v Speaker0>start dragging me and I had a helmet on.

<v Speaker0>God, I just remember, like, I felt concussed after because my head was just

<v Speaker0>bouncing along the ground.

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<v Speaker1>The fact that you were always the crash test dummy, the live guinea pig, like you did.

<v Speaker1>Anytime there was something where you could get horribly hurt,

<v Speaker1>they're like, oh, Tori will do it.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. Yeah. It was just that, God, I don't know.

<v Speaker1>I mean, you sent me a clip recently of an experiment that, you know,

<v Speaker1>that somebody said they did better.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. So we, this was an idea that came from Jamie years ago.

<v Speaker0>And he always had this idea of a bus that didn't have to stop to let people off.

<v Speaker0>So basically, as the bus is going, your stops coming up and it kind of ejects

<v Speaker0>you and you just pop out of the bus and land on the street and the bus can keep going.

<v Speaker0>He's like it would save traffic jams. It would save on time.

<v Speaker0>It would just be so much, you know, a more efficient way to ride the bus.

<v Speaker1>Jamie and his dangerous efficiency. Like, are you kidding me?

<v Speaker1>Right now you jump off the bus while it's still moving

<v Speaker0>So we came up

<v Speaker0>with this concept that they were going to put a treadmill

<v Speaker0>in the back of a truck and then i would get on that treadmill and then as we

<v Speaker0>were driving the treadmill would shoot me backwards so that way when the when

<v Speaker0>i'm off the truck the momentum of going backwards counteracts the momentum of

<v Speaker0>the truck going forward and so i I would just drop straight down.

<v Speaker0>But then the producers thought it was going to be too dangerous.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. I mean, that was rare that they thought it was going to be too dangerous.

<v Speaker1>I know, right? To throw you out the back of a moving vehicle.

<v Speaker1>I mean, they threw you off of buildings.

<v Speaker1>They dragged you behind a horse. You were buried alive. Like,

<v Speaker1>why was this the line? You were willing to do it.

<v Speaker0>Yeah. I don't know why. And I remember we came up with this, like, dumb excuse.

<v Speaker0>You know, it was this weird, we shot this scene.

<v Speaker0>Location where the producer's phone goes off and the insurance company says,

<v Speaker0>oh, it's too dangerous for Tory to do it.

<v Speaker0>I don't know why. I don't remember why they decided we shouldn't do it this way.

<v Speaker0>And so it was like this weird setup where the director's phone rang and we're

<v Speaker0>like, oh, you ruined the shot, case of beer.

<v Speaker0>And like they turn the camera on the producer and he's like, oh, hello.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, this is Australia. I'm talking to Australia. And they're saying that insurance

<v Speaker0>won't cover this experiment.

<v Speaker1>That was so dumb we hated that we're like why are

<v Speaker1>you faking this like why are we doing this this is so dumb like can't you just

<v Speaker1>like make it real because the show is mostly like 99.9% real except for the

<v Speaker1>the blueprint room so like why would you fake this oh Tori can't do it why couldn't

<v Speaker1>we just be like yeah nah we don't want to kill Tori

<v Speaker0>I think it was so bad that it

<v Speaker0>never made the episode like it it read so

<v Speaker0>fake that they didn't even cut it into the episode and they

<v Speaker0>just explained it you know one of us explained it on camera but so then we we

<v Speaker0>the way we were going to test it is we took a air cannon put a soccer ball in

<v Speaker0>it put that in the back of a truck and then grant would shoot the cannon at

<v Speaker0>a certain moment and we would see if the ball,

<v Speaker0>did literally just drop straight down oh.

<v Speaker1>My god that one was so cool because it just looked i mean we tried it over and

<v Speaker1>over and over to get the momentum exactly correct but when we did and the ball

<v Speaker1>on the high speed looked like it was holding still like

<v Speaker0>Yeah it was so.

<v Speaker1>Freaking brilliant that this clip in particular is used in so many science classes

<v Speaker1>like i went back to my old high school this was the clip that they were showing to explain it yeah

<v Speaker0>You know it's crazy it took so long to

<v Speaker0>get the timing right um and i

<v Speaker0>remember oh god i was so mad

<v Speaker0>because it was just like we were testing

<v Speaker0>it testing it was just all day it was like it's not

<v Speaker0>working it's not working and you know i'm just like standing on the sidelines

<v Speaker0>trying to like make commentary all right that one went that one looked good

<v Speaker0>let's check in with uh grant and carrie and i remember this one time the cameraman

<v Speaker0>just went and he shut the camera off and put the camera down and i was like,

<v Speaker0>what i was so i was like i bet you wouldn't have done that to jamie or adam

<v Speaker0>like like i was it was I'm like,

<v Speaker0>I am trying to come up with things to say, and you're just going to decide,

<v Speaker0>eh, not interested, button off.

<v Speaker0>Oh, my God. I was just, I was like, oh, I was livid. I was like,

<v Speaker0>I cannot believe, like, what a dick. Anyway.

<v Speaker1>I do, but I do remember the moment when it went right. Like,

<v Speaker1>the three of us were just like, it was one of those moments of elation where

<v Speaker1>the three of us were like, everybody's screaming.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, because I feel like we had done it at two different locations.

<v Speaker0>We did it once at the bunkers up near Tracy, and then we did it again out at

<v Speaker0>Alameda Runway, and it was just, it was like,

<v Speaker0>Like, we can't get this thing to work. Like, once we finally got it to work,

<v Speaker0>it was like, thank God, we're done.

<v Speaker1>I mean, it was just like a little bit of tweaking. I mean, back then,

<v Speaker1>I think a lot of people watch the videos from Mythbusters with,

<v Speaker1>like, the hindsight and the current technology in mind.

<v Speaker1>And they don't realize we were doing this for no money and super scrappy and

<v Speaker1>just, like, going for it in a way that, like, now people have a lot of inspiration.

<v Speaker1>I guess you could say where they can replicate what we did from those mistakes.

<v Speaker1>But like like when we were doing it, it was it was very new and we were using

<v Speaker1>things that like were being invented, like an air cannon to fire a soccer ball.

<v Speaker1>That's not just a common thing you have lying around. That was that was something created for us.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, totally. And I remember Grant built that thing. It was dangerous.

<v Speaker0>I mean, it was so much fun because we would just, we would fire it off in the shop.

<v Speaker0>I remember another time when we were out on location on that shoot,

<v Speaker0>because we were there so long, like we just kept running it over and over and

<v Speaker0>everybody was getting bored, that Matt Pardova, he ran up on the hill where

<v Speaker0>we were driving and he just would moon us every time we drove by. Do you remember that?

<v Speaker1>Oh, my God. Yeah. The old days were different. So dumb.

<v Speaker1>No HR. like something you could do in modern day sets like i took a 45 minute

<v Speaker1>sexual harassment test last time i went on set anywhere can you imagine that

<v Speaker1>would have been like one of the questions can you moon the hosts right

<v Speaker0>And get away with.

<v Speaker1>It so

<v Speaker0>After we did that experiment i was really bummed that we never did it with a

<v Speaker0>human like i you know i was just like,

<v Speaker0>we've got to be able to figure this out but we never did we

<v Speaker0>did you know they were just like no we we showed the

<v Speaker0>the science we showed how the physics works we got

<v Speaker0>it to to drop but we're moving on to another episode and it was a bummer because

<v Speaker0>it was like where's the there's no danger in this episode like how how cool

<v Speaker0>would that be if we actually had a person get launched backwards and land safely

<v Speaker0>on the ground from a moving vehicle like that would have been a perfect I feel like a perfect Indy.

<v Speaker0>But then this guy sent me this video online and I was like, holy crap,

<v Speaker0>these guys did it. They figured it out. Let me show you.

<v Speaker0>So you're basically the person on the vehicle, their momentum is with the vehicle, right?

<v Speaker0>So if you were to jump off, you'd still be going forward like the vehicle.

<v Speaker0>But what these guys have done, have created this mechanism on this back of this

<v Speaker0>flatbed that actually like slingshots the person off of the vehicle to overcome the forward momentum.

<v Speaker0>And so that back momentum cancels out.

<v Speaker0>So when you are away from the truck, you drop straight down. You don't go forward.

<v Speaker0>You don't go backwards. It's it's brilliant. Like this is what we should have done on the show.

<v Speaker1>That is really good. I think we

<v Speaker1>could have done that. We could have built that. You could have done that

<v Speaker0>I mean look how look how safe that is you.

<v Speaker1>Were we were driving at to match the air cannon we were driving at like 50 miles

<v Speaker1>an hour and trying to shoot the air cannon at 50 right yeah

<v Speaker0>What's even more insane is there is a technique for

<v Speaker0>soldiers to get off of a moving truck as well they basically just run off the

<v Speaker0>truck watch this i got a clip for you wait what so they train them They just

<v Speaker0>basically run the length of the flatbed of the truck to get over the forward

<v Speaker0>momentum of the vehicle.

<v Speaker0>And so when they hit the ground, they just drop straight down.

<v Speaker1>Oh my God, that hurts my knees watching.

<v Speaker1>These soldiers are jumping completely off the back of the truck and landing like Spider-Man.

<v Speaker0>Is that wild?

<v Speaker1>I've broken my knees too many times watching that. Seriously.

<v Speaker0>Now look at this guy. This guy, he wanted to try it out for himself.

<v Speaker0>So he rented a little vehicle trailer and he's attached it to this truck and

<v Speaker0>he's basically doing the same thing. He's just running in the opposite direction

<v Speaker0>that the vehicle is moving, and that overcomes the vehicle momentum.

<v Speaker0>And so then you just hit the ground.

<v Speaker1>Dude, look at that.

<v Speaker0>Tori totally could have done that. Right? I mean, that to me makes me nervous.

<v Speaker0>Like, that looks pretty scary because what if you're not running fast enough

<v Speaker0>or if you're running too fast?

<v Speaker1>Well, I guess you've got to test how fast you can run and then drive at that

<v Speaker1>exact speed so that you can jump off. I don't know. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

<v Speaker1>That looks, I mean, you're canceling your momentum, but getting it wrong seems

<v Speaker1>like worst case scenario hurts. Like really hurts.

<v Speaker0>What I loved about the other testers was they created this flatbed slingshot.

<v Speaker0>But one idea I thought we should have tried, this is when I was trying to figure

<v Speaker0>out how we would test it with a human,

<v Speaker0>was basically have like a harness that you hook onto and it's like,

<v Speaker0>let's imagine a pipe that goes, you know, from the top of the truck down to

<v Speaker0>the back of the truck and you would hook onto that and whenever you would release,

<v Speaker0>you would slide down this pole and get enough momentum to land safely on the ground.

<v Speaker1>Wait, but you're hooked to it.

<v Speaker0>No, but it would be like a...

<v Speaker0>Imagine like two pipes together like.

<v Speaker1>A zip line almost

<v Speaker0>Kind of like a zip line except you could be released from it when you get to the bottom i.

<v Speaker1>Mean all of our troubles with quick releases and things not actually releasing

<v Speaker1>i feel like that'd be your jackass moment it would be the bike jumping over

<v Speaker1>the wagon moment where all of a sudden it's like oh god and then tory smashes

<v Speaker1>his balls on the on the zip line

<v Speaker0>It would have been it would have been so cool though if we could have recreated

<v Speaker0>that but it just it's awesome to see that these guys did and that's what i love

<v Speaker0>about you know youtube and instagram now it's like all these people that used

<v Speaker0>to watch our show they're now retesting the stuff that we tested.

<v Speaker1>Oh, wait, wait, wait. We have a clip of a guy who's like, thanks, Mythbusters.

<v Speaker1>You know the one I'm talking about? Like you commented on it.

<v Speaker1>Roll this clip. It was cracking me up.

<v Speaker0>Does anybody else remember that episode of myth busters where they

<v Speaker0>said that if you walk in the rain you actually

<v Speaker0>get less wet than if you run i don't know

<v Speaker0>why but that was like a core memory for me and i've taken it very seriously

<v Speaker0>from that day on and i just found out recently that they made a updated episode

<v Speaker0>where they said actually they were wrong and they did the testing correctly

<v Speaker0>and you should be running never saw that one you know i'm dumb i've looked 23

<v Speaker0>years of my life it's and pouring rain out.

<v Speaker0>I'm like, people are like, why are you walking? I'm like, Mythbusters.

<v Speaker0>Dude, so good.

<v Speaker1>Oh, dude. He wants an apology and I'm like, you should apologize for not being

<v Speaker1>a big enough fan to watch the follow-up revisit.

<v Speaker0>Oh my God. You know what's funny is there's so many, there's like a lot of these

<v Speaker0>video memes of people walking in the rain and going, yeah, Mythbusters.

<v Speaker0>You know, they're like, what are you doing?

<v Speaker0>Mythbusters. So the first time that we tested this, it was Jamie and Adam.

<v Speaker0>And what they did is they took over this warehouse, set up a sprinkler system,

<v Speaker0>and then put on these jumpsuits and spray the water.

<v Speaker0>They would walk and run through. Then what they would do is they would take

<v Speaker0>off the clothes and weigh it and

<v Speaker0>see which one was heavier, which one had actually caught more raindrops.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, the gimp suit underneath was the funny part because they went to Mr.

<v Speaker1>S. Leather and got a for real, like, gimp suit. I mean, it was a weird rubber suit.

<v Speaker1>I just, I loved how many times we had to go to the leather daddy shop to get things because like,

<v Speaker1>you don't sell a full body rubber suit at a regular store, but it had,

<v Speaker1>you know, openings and zippers in all the right places.

<v Speaker0>San Francisco, right? I bet there's not a lot of stores with one of those.

<v Speaker0>But then, so what happened was,

<v Speaker0>Because they didn't account for windblown rain, that whole experiment was inconclusive.

<v Speaker0>So the methodology was wrong. So you, Grant, and I had to go retest that myth.

<v Speaker0>And I remember we were at the shop and it was a rainy day, but it wasn't raining

<v Speaker0>constantly. So it was like as soon as the rain would come, we'd put on our jumpsuit

<v Speaker0>and walk and run in the rain. That was such a crazy day.

<v Speaker1>How is he wearing the GIMP suit? Is it comfortable? Like,

<v Speaker0>No you've.

<v Speaker1>Got kind of a hairy chest i imagine it would not be

<v Speaker0>Awesome yeah it does it catches it doesn't catch it's not like a wetsuit a wetsuit

<v Speaker0>is you know it's got the lining inside so it just slips on and off and it's

<v Speaker0>like you know it's it's uh it does did.

<v Speaker1>You have to do you have to powder yourself to get in that thing i can't remember

<v Speaker0>I don't remember if we did we must have we powdered the suit we would have to powder the suit but.

<v Speaker1>Yeah that's that's that's that's some uh experiential information i feel like

<v Speaker1>most people don't know what it's like to wear a gimp suit so

<v Speaker1>that's a takeaway for them like oh yeah you gotta powder your gimp suit

<v Speaker0>Yeah but it's like because of the gimp suit that was to keep our sweat from

<v Speaker0>skewing the results because if we're sweating profusely,

<v Speaker0>we would be adding more moisture to the clothes and that would tip to scale, so to speak.

<v Speaker1>Well, I don't know how many people went, but it was going for, you know, over a decade.

<v Speaker1>But the Mythbusters Explosive Exhibition was our museum exhibition that traveled all over the country.

<v Speaker1>And we had a constant experiment going

<v Speaker1>with running or walking in the rain you

<v Speaker1>and your friend would uh both you know

<v Speaker1>there was two tunnels one where you'd walk one where you'd run but

<v Speaker1>um there was like a iridescent um something oh yeah like so you look in the

<v Speaker1>mirror you could see glowing drops you count how many drops were in it and then

<v Speaker1>you'd add to the data so we've got over a decade of data to prove or disprove

<v Speaker1>that myth at this point Yeah.

<v Speaker0>God, that was... And even to this day, it wasn't until...

<v Speaker0>This is how long ago we did this experiment that still to this day,

<v Speaker0>I'm like, not sure. Is it better to run or walk through the rain?

<v Speaker0>But it turns out it is better to run than walk.

<v Speaker1>How many people have we sabotaged that didn't watch the revisit that are walking in the rain right now?

<v Speaker0>Is that hilarious?

<v Speaker1>Man, so many people are just getting needlessly wet.

<v Speaker0>Well, you know what else is crazy? Did you see the one you sent it?

<v Speaker0>So, yes, you probably saw this.

<v Speaker0>That's a dumb thing to say. Did you see that video that you sent me?

<v Speaker0>It was the one that the guy retested bull in a china shop.

<v Speaker1>Oh, my God. Yes.

<v Speaker0>And his result was completely different than ours.

<v Speaker1>It was completely different. I just got so. So he set up the experiment almost

<v Speaker1>the same way. I went and read all the comments because I thought the comments were really funny.

<v Speaker1>He let a bull off into a china shop. He used movie glass china.

<v Speaker1>He set up his shelves within like a little pen. Same as we did.

<v Speaker1>I mean, we didn't expect for our bulls when we did bull in a china shop to dance

<v Speaker1>around. We used like six bulls, one, then two, then three.

<v Speaker1>And our bulls didn't knock anything over.

<v Speaker1>I don't, maybe it was an Australian bull because he's got, you know,

<v Speaker1>he's got that accent or maybe that was more of a pissed off bull.

<v Speaker1>Maybe we use calm, you know, Northern California bulls.

<v Speaker0>Because that was, we tested that one. It was a side test that we did.

<v Speaker0>We were testing red flag to a bull.

<v Speaker0>And because we were up there working with these bullfighters,

<v Speaker0>we were like, why don't we set up a little China shop in one of the pens and

<v Speaker0>we'll let a bull in and see what happens.

<v Speaker0>You know, it'll be a quick, I remember we were just like, it'll be just a quick

<v Speaker0>throwaway myth. It'll be, you know, perfect.

<v Speaker0>We have time to do it. So we went and bought all these, we went to all these

<v Speaker0>thrift stores, bought all this old Chinaware. It wasn't really China, obviously.

<v Speaker1>We didn't have that kind of budget.

<v Speaker0>We set up these shelves in this 40 by 40 foot hen. It wasn't that big.

<v Speaker0>And we let the bull in and the bull was like freaking out.

<v Speaker1>But not hitting it. Yeah, our bulls were running. They were freaking out,

<v Speaker1>but they were so much more agile. I don't know.

<v Speaker1>I don't know why our bulls were ballerinas, and that guy's bull was in a china

<v Speaker1>shop, the way that the saying goes.

<v Speaker1>I also learned that in Germany and a lot of other countries,

<v Speaker1>it's not bull in a china shop. It's an elephant in a china shop.

<v Speaker1>I had never heard that. We could have done a supersized revisit.

<v Speaker0>What i what i remember was they they let

<v Speaker0>in one bull and it just it was very self-aware it knew exactly not to bump into

<v Speaker0>these shelves and we're like okay this is this is blowing our minds let's send

<v Speaker0>in another bull so we had two bulls and i think what did we get up to like four

<v Speaker0>or five bulls in there at once and then one bull just.

<v Speaker1>Kept going just kept

<v Speaker0>One bull bumped a shelf and knocked over a little bit of China,

<v Speaker0>but nothing like this guy's video, like this guy's video, his bull destroyed his faux China shop.

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<v Speaker0>It's a digital frame. So you can load up any photo you want from anywhere.

<v Speaker0>And it's great, because you'll be walking through the house and you're like,

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<v Speaker0>For my aura frame, I like to put on pictures of our kid, obviously, and our dog.

<v Speaker0>That's basically what there's a few of us, but it's mostly our kid and our dog.

<v Speaker1>I mean, since you can get them preloaded before you ship them off to people,

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<v Speaker1>You know, it's fun for me to watch is like I really do believe that Mythbusters

<v Speaker1>was kind of a different show and it inspired so many YouTube, TikTok,

<v Speaker1>Instagram influencers to redo a lot of the experiments that we did.

<v Speaker1>I mean, like Mark Rober has done like Shark Week and Testing Dogs and like just like going

<v Speaker0>Through the Mythbusters catalog. Let's try that one.

<v Speaker1>Clearly a fan. but like I just I love how it's kind of sparked like a continual

<v Speaker1>curiosity and like people want to do what we did and we were lucky enough to just

<v Speaker1>get to do it in the first place.

<v Speaker0>I know.

<v Speaker1>We didn't have a guidebook on how to do it. We were so lucky to have those experiences

<v Speaker1>that I will forever be grateful because I'm never going to be at a party and

<v Speaker1>not have a good story to tell about whatever that we need to relate it to. I mean...

<v Speaker0>You're like Cliff Clavin from Cheers. Let me tell you, that's actually not true.

<v Speaker1>I got data on that.

<v Speaker0>Let me tell you what actually would happen.

<v Speaker1>My daughter loves to go, Yeah, I learned that from Carrie Byron. Such a brat.

<v Speaker1>What's that, Carrie Byron from Mythbusters? Do you have some data on that?

<v Speaker0>Speaking of daughters, oh, my God.

<v Speaker0>Okay, the other night, she's a little rambunctious, this kid.

<v Speaker0>She just turned four, and as soon as we get out of the car, she's just running down the street.

<v Speaker0>So it's like, you've got to stay with Mommy and Daddy. You can't just take off.

<v Speaker0>And so we go we're trying to go to

<v Speaker0>dinner with my parents they're meeting us at the restaurant

<v Speaker0>and we're chasing our all around and we're

<v Speaker0>like come on we're gonna get to the restaurant she's like yeah let's go to the

<v Speaker0>restaurant but as we're going to the restaurant we pass a candy store and she

<v Speaker0>runs in and loses her mind I we're like no no candy we got to go dinner first

<v Speaker0>and then we'll come back and get something she has a complete meltdown I have

<v Speaker0>to carry her out of the candy store, screaming, crying.

<v Speaker0>So I tell my family, I'm like, why don't you guys go get a table?

<v Speaker0>I, as soon as I try, I'll try to calm her down. Once I calm her down,

<v Speaker0>I'll come in and join you guys.

<v Speaker0>I'm like, she's literally fit to be tied. I wish I had a straitjacket.

<v Speaker0>She's punching me in the face, screaming and crying.

<v Speaker0>People are walking by looking at me and you could tell the people who have kids

<v Speaker0>and they're just like, oh, you poor bastard. Like I've been.

<v Speaker1>Yeah, I remember that.

<v Speaker0>Punching me in the face and I'm like, come on, just calm down.

<v Speaker0>Come on, we're going to go. You're like trying everything I can.

<v Speaker0>Then this guy walks by and he's like, and she's screaming, where's mommy? Where's mommy? Right.

<v Speaker1>Oh, no. And he's like,

<v Speaker0>This guy walks by and he's like, yeah, where's her mom?

<v Speaker0>And I'm like, my wife, her mom is at the restaurant right now.

<v Speaker0>I'm trying to get her to calm down.

<v Speaker0>How do I know that? How do I know that that's your daughter?

<v Speaker0>And I'm like, dude, look at her. She looks like we look alike.

<v Speaker0>And if I was trying to abduct this kid, do you think I would be sitting here

<v Speaker0>in the middle of the plaza trying to calm her down? Or wouldn't I just take her and run?

<v Speaker0>And he's like, I'm going to call the cop. I go, call him, please.

<v Speaker0>And he's like, this is my town. I'm like, oh, this is your town.

<v Speaker0>Tell me about your town. Meanwhile, he's wearing a Dodgers jersey.

<v Speaker0>So I'm like, is this really your town? Like, where are you from?

<v Speaker0>If you're a Dodgers fan, you're probably not from Northern California.

<v Speaker0>Just my guess. But anyway.

<v Speaker0>I was so livid. I was like, I want to kill this guy. But at the same time.

<v Speaker1>If your daughter was being kidnapped, it would have been like,

<v Speaker1>the story would have been like, and then a good Samaritan actually took notice.

<v Speaker0>Right. He was trying to be a hero, right? And I'm like, dude,

<v Speaker0>do you see I'm trying to calm my daughter down?

<v Speaker0>The last thing I need right now is for you to be a hero.

<v Speaker1>Oh, parenting, man. Parenting at that age can be quite an experiment. Yeah.

<v Speaker0>Holy.

<v Speaker1>I mean, I all the time will walk past like somebody in the grocery store and

<v Speaker1>their kid is laying on the ground, like the dirty ground, kicking and screaming

<v Speaker1>because they can't get some candy.

<v Speaker1>And you're just I just walk by like, yeah, I get like give them the knowing

<v Speaker1>nod like it's all right, man. I know. Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Oh, you know, they say that, I mean, that's also something that's supposedly debunked. What?

<v Speaker1>There have been multiple experiments to say that sugar does not create hyperactivity

<v Speaker1>in kids and make them freak out.

<v Speaker1>But anecdotally, I feel like every single parent I've ever met completely refutes

<v Speaker1>that. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

<v Speaker1>Every Saturday morning, my dad would bring home a big, giant thing of donuts.

<v Speaker1>Nuts and by noon my sister and I were clawing each other's eyes out oh yeah

<v Speaker1>like crashing like there's there's no way it doesn't make us crazy yeah

<v Speaker0>No we we totally see a difference like if you give her,

<v Speaker0>a lot of sugar she will be like crazy.

<v Speaker1>Scientists be damned i don't believe it so

<v Speaker0>You're trying to inspire kids to get into science is that that's the whole.

<v Speaker1>Yeah yeah yeah i mean it's like a byproduct of mythbusters i saw how many teachers

<v Speaker1>were using our clips in the classroom so even in the most rowdy crowds when

<v Speaker1>i've been giving a talk to a bunch of kids the second you put up a video even

<v Speaker1>the like snarkiest most obnoxious kid just shuts up and watches the video yeah

<v Speaker1>and they're learning it,

<v Speaker1>whether they're, you know, showing off for their friends or not,

<v Speaker1>they're all focusing on the video. So I'm like, this is powerful.

<v Speaker1>So I started working with a learning platform that, you know,

<v Speaker1>does digital storytelling.

<v Speaker1>And through that, we started the National STEM Festival and saw like,

<v Speaker1>you know, how much you can inspire kids into really cool careers. So yeah, I'm which

<v Speaker0>Will all be taken away by AI.

<v Speaker1>Not all of them. Yeah. We have been telling our kids coding,

<v Speaker1>coding, coding, and now AI can do it.

<v Speaker1>And I'm like, we should have been telling them critical thinking.

<v Speaker1>We should have been telling them humanities.

<v Speaker0>I don't know.

<v Speaker1>Those are future ready skills. Like you have to figure out storytelling.

<v Speaker1>Like those are future ready skills. And I feel like we're the only way we're

<v Speaker1>going to prepare our like next generation of kids is to teach them things that

<v Speaker1>are more essential than just like the basics. Like coding is great.

<v Speaker1>It's great to understand it. But like, nah, you've got to know critical thinking.

<v Speaker1>I want to play a clip for you about an experiment that was done with mice.

<v Speaker1>Obviously, I've been a little obsessed with mice ever since.

<v Speaker1>A lot of people have been emailing me because on a show I was talking about

<v Speaker1>I had a mouse infestation.

<v Speaker1>Everything's fine now, guys.

<v Speaker1>My house is mouse and rat free. And the rat that died inside my car,

<v Speaker1>inside the seat, inside the controls that rotted there, it's all been taken

<v Speaker1>care of, except for like every now I have a ghost smell.

<v Speaker0>You're a regular pie piper.

<v Speaker1>But hey, that is an AI-proof job. Exterminator. Right there.

<v Speaker1>Roll this clip. In 1968, American scientist John Callan created an environment

<v Speaker1>for mice that had everything.

<v Speaker1>Unlimited food, clean water, the perfect climate, and hundreds of nests.

<v Speaker1>In theory, this utopia could support nearly 4,000 mice. To start,

<v Speaker1>Callan just placed eight mice.

<v Speaker1>And just like Noah's Ark, four males and four females would go on to populate

<v Speaker1>this utopia. At first, everything looked perfect.

<v Speaker1>The mice bred rapidly, their numbers doubling every two months.

<v Speaker1>But then, the nightmare began.

<v Speaker1>Despite endless resources, the population began to collapse.

<v Speaker1>Callan noticed disturbing behavior.

<v Speaker1>Some males became withdrawn, spending their days grooming themselves obsessively

<v Speaker1>and refusing to fight or mate. He called them the influencers.

<v Speaker1>Just kidding, their children were the beautiful ones. There were also dominant

<v Speaker1>males that guarded their own harrow and prevented the weaker ones from accessing it.

<v Speaker1>These weaker mice would hang out with the females, but not to mate with them.

<v Speaker1>Interestingly enough, these vicar mice would instead attempt to mate with the dominant males.

<v Speaker1>What? That's so interesting, right? But then, the females also started to abandon

<v Speaker1>and even kill their young.

<v Speaker1>Violence and hypersexuality spread, with mice attacking each other at random.

<v Speaker1>Eventually, reproduction ceased entirely.

<v Speaker1>Perhaps Universe 25 wasn't just about mice, but a mirror held up to humanity.

<v Speaker1>Perhaps material abundance alone isn't enough for a thriving society.

<v Speaker1>That is terrifying. Eight mice become 2,000 mice. They're living in a utopia.

<v Speaker1>They are living with no need, but it breaks down because they have no purpose.

<v Speaker1>The reason I had pulled that clip up, because obviously my feed is full of all

<v Speaker1>sorts of like weird science things that I'm following.

<v Speaker1>But that one, I immediately just had a flashback to when we did the cereal myth.

<v Speaker1>Do you remember Jamie and Adam were doing the myth that there's more nutrition

<v Speaker1>in a cereal box than the cereal itself? and they did a whole experiment with mice that went...

<v Speaker1>Horribly wrong.

<v Speaker0>Horribly wrong. It was a bloodbath. Do you remember? Yes.

<v Speaker0>But they set up these two chambers, these mice,

<v Speaker0>and they had one feeding the mice the cereal, and then another chamber where

<v Speaker0>they were just feeding them the cardboard box of the cereal. And...

<v Speaker0>It took a while. It took a while. But then the mice starved.

<v Speaker0>The ones who were getting no food, who were getting the box.

<v Speaker0>They weren't eating it, but they were getting hungry.

<v Speaker0>And so they started eating each other.

<v Speaker1>Oh, it was so grim. So grim.

<v Speaker1>I feel like the show that we used to make, I don't know if we could make it anymore.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Like the dead pigs, the mice.

<v Speaker1>This is, I mean, maybe it's just a mouse thing because I'll tell you what,

<v Speaker1>when I was a kid, I was like very sensitive.

<v Speaker1>And I couldn't stand in the pet store that they were feeding these live mice

<v Speaker1>to snakes and that you could buy feeder mice and they were alive.

<v Speaker1>So I used to take my allowance when I was really little.

<v Speaker1>It was feral. This was like the 80s. I would go down to the pet store and I

<v Speaker1>would spend my allowance to save these mice.

<v Speaker1>And I'd always keep one or two as a pet and then I would let the rest go.

<v Speaker0>Well, I remember when Jamie and Adam were doing the experiment,

<v Speaker0>I think this is like, this is what happened. If my memory serves me correct.

<v Speaker1>I know it was like 25 years ago.

<v Speaker0>Which lately it hasn't been. But I remember we went in to do like a checkup every morning.

<v Speaker0>They would come in and do a checkup on the mice. And they were like,

<v Speaker0>there were four mice in here and there was only three.

<v Speaker0>Did one get out? And they didn't, I don't think they understood until like the

<v Speaker0>next day where another mouse had been eaten and, you know, they started finding

<v Speaker0>fur and blood and then they realized what was happening.

<v Speaker0>Ugh, so gross. Cannibalism.

<v Speaker1>Universe 25. So Tori, when we start our punk rock band, can we call it Universe 25?

<v Speaker1>I feel like that's going to be it right there. That's us. Yeah.

<v Speaker0>Um, how are we doing? Should we do a, should we take a fan question?

<v Speaker1>Should we take a fan question? Yeah, I feel like it's that time of the episode

<v Speaker1>where we take a fan question.

<v Speaker0>All right, Carrie, this, so this fan question comes from Meg Hicks writes,

<v Speaker0>I'm sure it is a long shot that you guys see this, but somebody posted a TikTok

<v Speaker0>of an Adam and Jamie Halloween costume, and it might be the greatest thing I've

<v Speaker0>ever seen. Oh, yeah. Have you seen this?

<v Speaker1>Oh, okay. Play this. I want to see it. So it's a tall blonde guy and like a

<v Speaker1>black haired shorter girl and not what I would expected.

<v Speaker1>They do that thing where they put the hand to the camera and then like it's Adam and Jamie.

<v Speaker1>But like the girl is Jamie and she.

<v Speaker0>I know. What? It's so good.

<v Speaker1>How did she? She.

<v Speaker0>What?

<v Speaker1>That costume. They nailed it. So, yeah, it's not a long shot.

<v Speaker1>We saw it, you guys. And it is amazing. Oh, my gosh.

<v Speaker0>That's so good. Good stuff. Good stuff.

<v Speaker1>I remember when the show was really popular, people would send me their kids dressing up like us.

<v Speaker0>Yeah.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. I don't have them saved anymore because the Internet is not forever,

<v Speaker1>like they told us. It's not forever.

<v Speaker0>They're scrubbing it as we speak.

<v Speaker1>Yeah. Yeah. You can't get past a certain amount of Google searches anymore,

<v Speaker1>so you only get, like, the top 10 or something.

<v Speaker1>Like, no, the Internet is not forever. I was totally trying to find somebody

<v Speaker1>who dressed up like a little Tori for just to show you. But nah.

<v Speaker0>How cute.

<v Speaker1>Thank you, guys.

<v Speaker0>Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks for sharing that. Thank you guys for listening.

<v Speaker0>Thank you guys for watching. It's so good to see everybody.

<v Speaker1>And Tori, it's so fun to hang out with you every single week.

<v Speaker1>So please, you guys, if you love us, like, subscribe, follow so that Tori and

<v Speaker1>I can keep having this weekly date.

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