Speaker1: I immediately just had a flashback to when we did the cereal myth.
Speaker1: Do you remember Jamie and Adam were doing the myth that there's more nutrition
Speaker1: in a cereal box than the cereal itself?
Speaker1: And they did a whole experiment with mice that went horribly wrong.
Speaker0: Horribly wrong. Welcome, MythFits.
Speaker0: Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of MythBits, the podcast.
Speaker0: Carrie, it's been a while. You've been traveling quite a bit. Where'd you go?
Speaker1: So I was just in Australia for a cybersecurity conference.
Speaker1: I was doing a keynote on future-ready skills for the next generation and how
Speaker1: we can inspire kids into STEM careers.
Speaker1: It was a it was I basically took the job because it was in Sydney and I wanted
Speaker1: to visit some friends in Sydney.
Speaker1: So I turned it into like a work play trip.
Speaker0: Yeah. No kidding. I mean, getting paid to travel. Those are the best jobs ever.
Speaker1: Yeah. I also like that whole the STEM festival is like my my other gig where
Speaker1: I'm trying to make it global.
Speaker1: So I was pitching the National STEM Festival to Australia to see if like they want to do it, too.
Speaker1: But the fun part was I got to go see both some old friends that you've never
Speaker1: met, but our old cameraman Benny and I had like... I saw the photo.
Speaker0: I'm so jealous.
Speaker1: You two used to be bachelors in the city running around, having a good time.
Speaker1: And now you're both dads. He's got three boys. I know.
Speaker0: They are a handful. It's so weird because you know how like you meet somebody
Speaker0: later in life, you know, your adult life and, you know, it's like the friends
Speaker0: that you have when you're a kid, you stay close forever, right?
Speaker0: But Ben was like a person who was like, how did we not, like we should have
Speaker0: met each other when we were little kids.
Speaker0: Like how did we miss out on hanging out this long because you're so much fun
Speaker0: and one of my best friends.
Speaker1: Oh, he was definitely your buddy on the show. The two of you were so tight.
Speaker1: And I was so excited to have some glasses of wine with him.
Speaker1: And while we were outside, because we were in Manly, which is like beach town.
Speaker1: All of a sudden, like a skywriter started writing, marry me.
Speaker0: Oh, no way.
Speaker1: And I was like looking around, just like totally trying to see somebody who was excited.
Speaker1: And like the boys were watching. We were all just like, oh, my God.
Speaker1: Oh, my God. Are they going to say no? Where is this person? We could never figure out who was it for.
Speaker0: Yeah.
Speaker1: But I was it had me thinking because, you know, I posted it because I thought
Speaker1: it was so, so, you know, it was adorable. So I posted on Instagram instantly, my DMs filled up.
Speaker1: Kim trail conspiracies.
Speaker0: Oh, whoa.
Speaker1: I mean, that's when they came into Mythbusters all the time.
Speaker1: The Kim trail conspiracy that like, you know, that erroneous long belief that
Speaker1: the government is spraying chemicals in into the condensation out of airplanes.
Speaker1: And that you can tell because they the trails stay longer than regular trails.
Speaker1: And I think it was in the 90s.
Speaker1: It started people were just going crazy for chemtrails but it's one of those
Speaker1: conspiracy theories that's been debunked but i thought it would be like kind
Speaker1: of a fun myth buster episode
Speaker0: Wait who debunked it are you sure about that really i'm i'm telling you there's
Speaker0: so many things that are conspiracy theories that are now coming true that it's
Speaker0: like it's i feel like you you know you do a little bit of research because i
Speaker0: like i don't know show me show me well i.
Speaker1: Mean the scientific community has been, has debunked this over and over and
Speaker1: over for many years that this, you know, it can't be true, that it's just condensation,
Speaker1: that, you know, the government isn't spraying chemicals. But I will give you this.
Speaker1: There was this book a long time ago. I think we've talked about this called Behold the Pale Horse.
Speaker1: And it is like, it's just a hotbed for
Speaker1: conspiracies and everybody my age who
Speaker1: is super into conspiracy theories read this
Speaker1: book long ago and there you put in
Speaker1: a bunch of conspiracy theories that were untrue but a couple that were true
Speaker1: just so it kind of gave it a basis one of them was that in 1950 the navy did
Speaker1: an experiment to see what kind of biological warfare would work in fog so they
Speaker1: basically sprayed a bacteria you
Speaker1: That was like some sort of rhinovirus, something that would give you,
Speaker1: you know, just like nasal congestion into the San Francisco Bay fog to see how far it would spread.
Speaker1: And one dude actually died from his sickness.
Speaker1: Like, but lots of people caught it. So it actually kind of proved that you can
Speaker1: do this with bacteria in the fog.
Speaker1: Thank God for climate change because there's just like way less fog out here
Speaker1: now. So I feel a lot safer.
Speaker0: I mean, like the whole MKUltra, right?
Speaker0: That the CIA was experimenting on unbeknownst subjects with LSD.
Speaker0: And they, you know, they had no idea. Are you familiar with that?
Speaker1: I am familiar with that. That it was given to soldiers, right?
Speaker0: Well, it was, they were experimenting on men who were going to brothels because
Speaker0: they didn't, you know, the guy is not going to go, oh, I went to this brothel.
Speaker0: And I started having insane thoughts.
Speaker0: And so it was this whole program where they were giving, and they may have given
Speaker0: it to soldiers as well, but they were trying to see if they could control people,
Speaker0: mind control, with using LSD.
Speaker1: Have you ever done LSD?
Speaker0: That's all. No, I've never done LSD. I've done shrooms.
Speaker1: I did it once at a Grateful Dead show because I feel like when in Rome and I
Speaker1: could see how your mind would be controlled. It was a weird sort of young,
Speaker1: misspent youth experience.
Speaker1: I never did it again, but I just didn't like feeling that out of control.
Speaker1: But suddenly I understood tie-dyes. Like, oh, I get this. I absolutely get jam
Speaker1: bands and I totally get just really spirally tie-dyes.
Speaker0: That's funny. It's funny. I saw that picture of Ben and you and I was so jealous.
Speaker0: Cause I just, I love Australia. And every time I would go, I would go stay with him.
Speaker0: And it's like they're trying to kill themselves.
Speaker0: By drinking like it literally like every night we would go out we would have
Speaker0: our you know they would order beers and then we wouldn't even be like halfway
Speaker0: through and somebody's ordering another around it was just like how do you guys
Speaker0: do it like you are literally drinking like there is no tomorrow yeah.
Speaker1: I did I did have a couple glasses of wine with Benny when I was there for sure
Speaker1: that's that's just kind of felt like Australian tradition our whole crew was
Speaker1: Australian And they used to start kicking off, cracking open beers at like four o'clock.
Speaker1: And we're like, yeah, dude, it's it's a Tuesday and I'm using a power saw. I can't join you.
Speaker0: But he was one of the best cameramen on the show because before him are the
Speaker0: cameramen where they were a little bit lazy sometimes where, you know,
Speaker0: where he would try to be right where the action was.
Speaker0: I remember we were doing an experiment at the trapeze school in Oakland,
Speaker0: and I had to climb up to the top of this platform.
Speaker0: I forget what the episode was, but he climbed up first so that he can get the
Speaker0: shot of me climbing up the ladder.
Speaker0: And I'm going, oh, my God, like every other cameraman would just be they'd stay
Speaker0: on the ground and just film up at the platform. And this guy is like,
Speaker0: I'm going to come up ahead of you to get the shot.
Speaker0: And then I remember one time we were getting, I was getting dragged by a horse
Speaker0: and he was following me on an ATB filming.
Speaker0: You know, somebody was driving the ATB and he was holding onto the guy filming
Speaker0: to, to capture me as I'm getting dragged by the horse.
Speaker0: He was just the craziest cameraman.
Speaker1: That was gnarly.
Speaker1: Being dragged by a horse. That was such a gnarly experiment.
Speaker1: And I remember that day it was over, it was like over a hundred degrees and
Speaker1: I got heat stroke and fainted.
Speaker1: Like just was like, like, and I wasn't even being dragged.
Speaker0: You were, you were a delicate, you were a delicate little flower.
Speaker1: Delicate little flower.
Speaker0: That was, what episode was that?
Speaker0: That was, uh, if your genes catch on fire from friction, right? Yeah.
Speaker1: Yeah.
Speaker0: And so I get in these pair of jeans and I have all this body armor on and they
Speaker0: start dragging me and I had a helmet on.
Speaker0: God, I just remember, like, I felt concussed after because my head was just
Speaker0: bouncing along the ground.
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Speaker1: The fact that you were always the crash test dummy, the live guinea pig, like you did.
Speaker1: Anytime there was something where you could get horribly hurt,
Speaker1: they're like, oh, Tori will do it.
Speaker0: Yeah. Yeah. It was just that, God, I don't know.
Speaker1: I mean, you sent me a clip recently of an experiment that, you know,
Speaker1: that somebody said they did better.
Speaker0: Yeah. So we, this was an idea that came from Jamie years ago.
Speaker0: And he always had this idea of a bus that didn't have to stop to let people off.
Speaker0: So basically, as the bus is going, your stops coming up and it kind of ejects
Speaker0: you and you just pop out of the bus and land on the street and the bus can keep going.
Speaker0: He's like it would save traffic jams. It would save on time.
Speaker0: It would just be so much, you know, a more efficient way to ride the bus.
Speaker1: Jamie and his dangerous efficiency. Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker1: Right now you jump off the bus while it's still moving
Speaker0: So we came up
Speaker0: with this concept that they were going to put a treadmill
Speaker0: in the back of a truck and then i would get on that treadmill and then as we
Speaker0: were driving the treadmill would shoot me backwards so that way when the when
Speaker0: i'm off the truck the momentum of going backwards counteracts the momentum of
Speaker0: the truck going forward and so i I would just drop straight down.
Speaker0: But then the producers thought it was going to be too dangerous.
Speaker1: Yeah. I mean, that was rare that they thought it was going to be too dangerous.
Speaker1: I know, right? To throw you out the back of a moving vehicle.
Speaker1: I mean, they threw you off of buildings.
Speaker1: They dragged you behind a horse. You were buried alive. Like,
Speaker1: why was this the line? You were willing to do it.
Speaker0: Yeah. I don't know why. And I remember we came up with this, like, dumb excuse.
Speaker0: You know, it was this weird, we shot this scene.
Speaker0: Location where the producer's phone goes off and the insurance company says,
Speaker0: oh, it's too dangerous for Tory to do it.
Speaker0: I don't know why. I don't remember why they decided we shouldn't do it this way.
Speaker0: And so it was like this weird setup where the director's phone rang and we're
Speaker0: like, oh, you ruined the shot, case of beer.
Speaker0: And like they turn the camera on the producer and he's like, oh, hello.
Speaker0: Yeah, this is Australia. I'm talking to Australia. And they're saying that insurance
Speaker0: won't cover this experiment.
Speaker1: That was so dumb we hated that we're like why are
Speaker1: you faking this like why are we doing this this is so dumb like can't you just
Speaker1: like make it real because the show is mostly like 99.9% real except for the
Speaker1: the blueprint room so like why would you fake this oh Tori can't do it why couldn't
Speaker1: we just be like yeah nah we don't want to kill Tori
Speaker0: I think it was so bad that it
Speaker0: never made the episode like it it read so
Speaker0: fake that they didn't even cut it into the episode and they
Speaker0: just explained it you know one of us explained it on camera but so then we we
Speaker0: the way we were going to test it is we took a air cannon put a soccer ball in
Speaker0: it put that in the back of a truck and then grant would shoot the cannon at
Speaker0: a certain moment and we would see if the ball,
Speaker0: did literally just drop straight down oh.
Speaker1: My god that one was so cool because it just looked i mean we tried it over and
Speaker1: over and over to get the momentum exactly correct but when we did and the ball
Speaker1: on the high speed looked like it was holding still like
Speaker0: Yeah it was so.
Speaker1: Freaking brilliant that this clip in particular is used in so many science classes
Speaker1: like i went back to my old high school this was the clip that they were showing to explain it yeah
Speaker0: You know it's crazy it took so long to
Speaker0: get the timing right um and i
Speaker0: remember oh god i was so mad
Speaker0: because it was just like we were testing
Speaker0: it testing it was just all day it was like it's not
Speaker0: working it's not working and you know i'm just like standing on the sidelines
Speaker0: trying to like make commentary all right that one went that one looked good
Speaker0: let's check in with uh grant and carrie and i remember this one time the cameraman
Speaker0: just went and he shut the camera off and put the camera down and i was like,
Speaker0: what i was so i was like i bet you wouldn't have done that to jamie or adam
Speaker0: like like i was it was I'm like,
Speaker0: I am trying to come up with things to say, and you're just going to decide,
Speaker0: eh, not interested, button off.
Speaker0: Oh, my God. I was just, I was like, oh, I was livid. I was like,
Speaker0: I cannot believe, like, what a dick. Anyway.
Speaker1: I do, but I do remember the moment when it went right. Like,
Speaker1: the three of us were just like, it was one of those moments of elation where
Speaker1: the three of us were like, everybody's screaming.
Speaker0: Yeah, because I feel like we had done it at two different locations.
Speaker0: We did it once at the bunkers up near Tracy, and then we did it again out at
Speaker0: Alameda Runway, and it was just, it was like,
Speaker0: Like, we can't get this thing to work. Like, once we finally got it to work,
Speaker0: it was like, thank God, we're done.
Speaker1: I mean, it was just like a little bit of tweaking. I mean, back then,
Speaker1: I think a lot of people watch the videos from Mythbusters with,
Speaker1: like, the hindsight and the current technology in mind.
Speaker1: And they don't realize we were doing this for no money and super scrappy and
Speaker1: just, like, going for it in a way that, like, now people have a lot of inspiration.
Speaker1: I guess you could say where they can replicate what we did from those mistakes.
Speaker1: But like like when we were doing it, it was it was very new and we were using
Speaker1: things that like were being invented, like an air cannon to fire a soccer ball.
Speaker1: That's not just a common thing you have lying around. That was that was something created for us.
Speaker0: Yeah, totally. And I remember Grant built that thing. It was dangerous.
Speaker0: I mean, it was so much fun because we would just, we would fire it off in the shop.
Speaker0: I remember another time when we were out on location on that shoot,
Speaker0: because we were there so long, like we just kept running it over and over and
Speaker0: everybody was getting bored, that Matt Pardova, he ran up on the hill where
Speaker0: we were driving and he just would moon us every time we drove by. Do you remember that?
Speaker1: Oh, my God. Yeah. The old days were different. So dumb.
Speaker1: No HR. like something you could do in modern day sets like i took a 45 minute
Speaker1: sexual harassment test last time i went on set anywhere can you imagine that
Speaker1: would have been like one of the questions can you moon the hosts right
Speaker0: And get away with.
Speaker1: It so
Speaker0: After we did that experiment i was really bummed that we never did it with a
Speaker0: human like i you know i was just like,
Speaker0: we've got to be able to figure this out but we never did we
Speaker0: did you know they were just like no we we showed the
Speaker0: the science we showed how the physics works we got
Speaker0: it to to drop but we're moving on to another episode and it was a bummer because
Speaker0: it was like where's the there's no danger in this episode like how how cool
Speaker0: would that be if we actually had a person get launched backwards and land safely
Speaker0: on the ground from a moving vehicle like that would have been a perfect I feel like a perfect Indy.
Speaker0: But then this guy sent me this video online and I was like, holy crap,
Speaker0: these guys did it. They figured it out. Let me show you.
Speaker0: So you're basically the person on the vehicle, their momentum is with the vehicle, right?
Speaker0: So if you were to jump off, you'd still be going forward like the vehicle.
Speaker0: But what these guys have done, have created this mechanism on this back of this
Speaker0: flatbed that actually like slingshots the person off of the vehicle to overcome the forward momentum.
Speaker0: And so that back momentum cancels out.
Speaker0: So when you are away from the truck, you drop straight down. You don't go forward.
Speaker0: You don't go backwards. It's it's brilliant. Like this is what we should have done on the show.
Speaker1: That is really good. I think we
Speaker1: could have done that. We could have built that. You could have done that
Speaker0: I mean look how look how safe that is you.
Speaker1: Were we were driving at to match the air cannon we were driving at like 50 miles
Speaker1: an hour and trying to shoot the air cannon at 50 right yeah
Speaker0: What's even more insane is there is a technique for
Speaker0: soldiers to get off of a moving truck as well they basically just run off the
Speaker0: truck watch this i got a clip for you wait what so they train them They just
Speaker0: basically run the length of the flatbed of the truck to get over the forward
Speaker0: momentum of the vehicle.
Speaker0: And so when they hit the ground, they just drop straight down.
Speaker1: Oh my God, that hurts my knees watching.
Speaker1: These soldiers are jumping completely off the back of the truck and landing like Spider-Man.
Speaker0: Is that wild?
Speaker1: I've broken my knees too many times watching that. Seriously.
Speaker0: Now look at this guy. This guy, he wanted to try it out for himself.
Speaker0: So he rented a little vehicle trailer and he's attached it to this truck and
Speaker0: he's basically doing the same thing. He's just running in the opposite direction
Speaker0: that the vehicle is moving, and that overcomes the vehicle momentum.
Speaker0: And so then you just hit the ground.
Speaker1: Dude, look at that.
Speaker0: Tori totally could have done that. Right? I mean, that to me makes me nervous.
Speaker0: Like, that looks pretty scary because what if you're not running fast enough
Speaker0: or if you're running too fast?
Speaker1: Well, I guess you've got to test how fast you can run and then drive at that
Speaker1: exact speed so that you can jump off. I don't know. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.
Speaker1: That looks, I mean, you're canceling your momentum, but getting it wrong seems
Speaker1: like worst case scenario hurts. Like really hurts.
Speaker0: What I loved about the other testers was they created this flatbed slingshot.
Speaker0: But one idea I thought we should have tried, this is when I was trying to figure
Speaker0: out how we would test it with a human,
Speaker0: was basically have like a harness that you hook onto and it's like,
Speaker0: let's imagine a pipe that goes, you know, from the top of the truck down to
Speaker0: the back of the truck and you would hook onto that and whenever you would release,
Speaker0: you would slide down this pole and get enough momentum to land safely on the ground.
Speaker1: Wait, but you're hooked to it.
Speaker0: No, but it would be like a...
Speaker0: Imagine like two pipes together like.
Speaker1: A zip line almost
Speaker0: Kind of like a zip line except you could be released from it when you get to the bottom i.
Speaker1: Mean all of our troubles with quick releases and things not actually releasing
Speaker1: i feel like that'd be your jackass moment it would be the bike jumping over
Speaker1: the wagon moment where all of a sudden it's like oh god and then tory smashes
Speaker1: his balls on the on the zip line
Speaker0: It would have been it would have been so cool though if we could have recreated
Speaker0: that but it just it's awesome to see that these guys did and that's what i love
Speaker0: about you know youtube and instagram now it's like all these people that used
Speaker0: to watch our show they're now retesting the stuff that we tested.
Speaker1: Oh, wait, wait, wait. We have a clip of a guy who's like, thanks, Mythbusters.
Speaker1: You know the one I'm talking about? Like you commented on it.
Speaker1: Roll this clip. It was cracking me up.
Speaker0: Does anybody else remember that episode of myth busters where they
Speaker0: said that if you walk in the rain you actually
Speaker0: get less wet than if you run i don't know
Speaker0: why but that was like a core memory for me and i've taken it very seriously
Speaker0: from that day on and i just found out recently that they made a updated episode
Speaker0: where they said actually they were wrong and they did the testing correctly
Speaker0: and you should be running never saw that one you know i'm dumb i've looked 23
Speaker0: years of my life it's and pouring rain out.
Speaker0: I'm like, people are like, why are you walking? I'm like, Mythbusters.
Speaker0: Dude, so good.
Speaker1: Oh, dude. He wants an apology and I'm like, you should apologize for not being
Speaker1: a big enough fan to watch the follow-up revisit.
Speaker0: Oh my God. You know what's funny is there's so many, there's like a lot of these
Speaker0: video memes of people walking in the rain and going, yeah, Mythbusters.
Speaker0: You know, they're like, what are you doing?
Speaker0: Mythbusters. So the first time that we tested this, it was Jamie and Adam.
Speaker0: And what they did is they took over this warehouse, set up a sprinkler system,
Speaker0: and then put on these jumpsuits and spray the water.
Speaker0: They would walk and run through. Then what they would do is they would take
Speaker0: off the clothes and weigh it and
Speaker0: see which one was heavier, which one had actually caught more raindrops.
Speaker1: Yeah, the gimp suit underneath was the funny part because they went to Mr.
Speaker1: S. Leather and got a for real, like, gimp suit. I mean, it was a weird rubber suit.
Speaker1: I just, I loved how many times we had to go to the leather daddy shop to get things because like,
Speaker1: you don't sell a full body rubber suit at a regular store, but it had,
Speaker1: you know, openings and zippers in all the right places.
Speaker0: San Francisco, right? I bet there's not a lot of stores with one of those.
Speaker0: But then, so what happened was,
Speaker0: Because they didn't account for windblown rain, that whole experiment was inconclusive.
Speaker0: So the methodology was wrong. So you, Grant, and I had to go retest that myth.
Speaker0: And I remember we were at the shop and it was a rainy day, but it wasn't raining
Speaker0: constantly. So it was like as soon as the rain would come, we'd put on our jumpsuit
Speaker0: and walk and run in the rain. That was such a crazy day.
Speaker1: How is he wearing the GIMP suit? Is it comfortable? Like,
Speaker0: No you've.
Speaker1: Got kind of a hairy chest i imagine it would not be
Speaker0: Awesome yeah it does it catches it doesn't catch it's not like a wetsuit a wetsuit
Speaker0: is you know it's got the lining inside so it just slips on and off and it's
Speaker0: like you know it's it's uh it does did.
Speaker1: You have to do you have to powder yourself to get in that thing i can't remember
Speaker0: I don't remember if we did we must have we powdered the suit we would have to powder the suit but.
Speaker1: Yeah that's that's that's that's some uh experiential information i feel like
Speaker1: most people don't know what it's like to wear a gimp suit so
Speaker1: that's a takeaway for them like oh yeah you gotta powder your gimp suit
Speaker0: Yeah but it's like because of the gimp suit that was to keep our sweat from
Speaker0: skewing the results because if we're sweating profusely,
Speaker0: we would be adding more moisture to the clothes and that would tip to scale, so to speak.
Speaker1: Well, I don't know how many people went, but it was going for, you know, over a decade.
Speaker1: But the Mythbusters Explosive Exhibition was our museum exhibition that traveled all over the country.
Speaker1: And we had a constant experiment going
Speaker1: with running or walking in the rain you
Speaker1: and your friend would uh both you know
Speaker1: there was two tunnels one where you'd walk one where you'd run but
Speaker1: um there was like a iridescent um something oh yeah like so you look in the
Speaker1: mirror you could see glowing drops you count how many drops were in it and then
Speaker1: you'd add to the data so we've got over a decade of data to prove or disprove
Speaker1: that myth at this point Yeah.
Speaker0: God, that was... And even to this day, it wasn't until...
Speaker0: This is how long ago we did this experiment that still to this day,
Speaker0: I'm like, not sure. Is it better to run or walk through the rain?
Speaker0: But it turns out it is better to run than walk.
Speaker1: How many people have we sabotaged that didn't watch the revisit that are walking in the rain right now?
Speaker0: Is that hilarious?
Speaker1: Man, so many people are just getting needlessly wet.
Speaker0: Well, you know what else is crazy? Did you see the one you sent it?
Speaker0: So, yes, you probably saw this.
Speaker0: That's a dumb thing to say. Did you see that video that you sent me?
Speaker0: It was the one that the guy retested bull in a china shop.
Speaker1: Oh, my God. Yes.
Speaker0: And his result was completely different than ours.
Speaker1: It was completely different. I just got so. So he set up the experiment almost
Speaker1: the same way. I went and read all the comments because I thought the comments were really funny.
Speaker1: He let a bull off into a china shop. He used movie glass china.
Speaker1: He set up his shelves within like a little pen. Same as we did.
Speaker1: I mean, we didn't expect for our bulls when we did bull in a china shop to dance
Speaker1: around. We used like six bulls, one, then two, then three.
Speaker1: And our bulls didn't knock anything over.
Speaker1: I don't, maybe it was an Australian bull because he's got, you know,
Speaker1: he's got that accent or maybe that was more of a pissed off bull.
Speaker1: Maybe we use calm, you know, Northern California bulls.
Speaker0: Because that was, we tested that one. It was a side test that we did.
Speaker0: We were testing red flag to a bull.
Speaker0: And because we were up there working with these bullfighters,
Speaker0: we were like, why don't we set up a little China shop in one of the pens and
Speaker0: we'll let a bull in and see what happens.
Speaker0: You know, it'll be a quick, I remember we were just like, it'll be just a quick
Speaker0: throwaway myth. It'll be, you know, perfect.
Speaker0: We have time to do it. So we went and bought all these, we went to all these
Speaker0: thrift stores, bought all this old Chinaware. It wasn't really China, obviously.
Speaker1: We didn't have that kind of budget.
Speaker0: We set up these shelves in this 40 by 40 foot hen. It wasn't that big.
Speaker0: And we let the bull in and the bull was like freaking out.
Speaker1: But not hitting it. Yeah, our bulls were running. They were freaking out,
Speaker1: but they were so much more agile. I don't know.
Speaker1: I don't know why our bulls were ballerinas, and that guy's bull was in a china
Speaker1: shop, the way that the saying goes.
Speaker1: I also learned that in Germany and a lot of other countries,
Speaker1: it's not bull in a china shop. It's an elephant in a china shop.
Speaker1: I had never heard that. We could have done a supersized revisit.
Speaker0: What i what i remember was they they let
Speaker0: in one bull and it just it was very self-aware it knew exactly not to bump into
Speaker0: these shelves and we're like okay this is this is blowing our minds let's send
Speaker0: in another bull so we had two bulls and i think what did we get up to like four
Speaker0: or five bulls in there at once and then one bull just.
Speaker1: Kept going just kept
Speaker0: One bull bumped a shelf and knocked over a little bit of China,
Speaker0: but nothing like this guy's video, like this guy's video, his bull destroyed his faux China shop.
Speaker1: Sorry, I am not always the best shopper for everyone. It's hard to find a gift
Speaker1: that's really personal.
Speaker1: It's something that people actually want. Nobody wants my baked goods. They're not that good.
Speaker1: So it's hard to find a solution that's something that you can really give that's
Speaker1: personal. Like, what is the solution for that?
Speaker0: I'm glad you ask, because that's Aura Frames. And we've actually worked with them before.
Speaker0: It's a digital frame. So you can load up any photo you want from anywhere.
Speaker0: And it's great, because you'll be walking through the house and you're like,
Speaker0: look over. It's like, oh, my God, remember that.
Speaker0: For my aura frame, I like to put on pictures of our kid, obviously, and our dog.
Speaker0: That's basically what there's a few of us, but it's mostly our kid and our dog.
Speaker1: I mean, since you can get them preloaded before you ship them off to people,
Speaker1: you know, I personally, for some of my friends, like to find all of my embarrassing pictures of them.
Speaker1: See, we can go back and edit later and add the good pictures.
Speaker1: But I love when it first starts rolling through.
Speaker1: We like, uh-huh. Remember when you did that?
Speaker0: Remember, you didn't want to see this photo ever again.
Speaker1: Everybody's got access to the app that has the link.
Speaker1: So you can go in and actually change the photos and update them all the time.
Speaker1: So you can you can bring it back to the niceness. But, you know, I'm that friend.
Speaker0: But what I love about it is rarely do you go through your photos.
Speaker0: At least I rarely go through my photos unless I'm looking for like,
Speaker0: what were we doing a year ago? Whatever for for this holiday.
Speaker0: What's nice about this is it's just constantly on wherever you have it in your
Speaker0: house. and it's just memories flooding through and it's just it's such a great
Speaker0: like reminder of oh man we went and did that or whatever.
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Speaker1: You know, it's fun for me to watch is like I really do believe that Mythbusters
Speaker1: was kind of a different show and it inspired so many YouTube, TikTok,
Speaker1: Instagram influencers to redo a lot of the experiments that we did.
Speaker1: I mean, like Mark Rober has done like Shark Week and Testing Dogs and like just like going
Speaker0: Through the Mythbusters catalog. Let's try that one.
Speaker1: Clearly a fan. but like I just I love how it's kind of sparked like a continual
Speaker1: curiosity and like people want to do what we did and we were lucky enough to just
Speaker1: get to do it in the first place.
Speaker0: I know.
Speaker1: We didn't have a guidebook on how to do it. We were so lucky to have those experiences
Speaker1: that I will forever be grateful because I'm never going to be at a party and
Speaker1: not have a good story to tell about whatever that we need to relate it to. I mean...
Speaker0: You're like Cliff Clavin from Cheers. Let me tell you, that's actually not true.
Speaker1: I got data on that.
Speaker0: Let me tell you what actually would happen.
Speaker1: My daughter loves to go, Yeah, I learned that from Carrie Byron. Such a brat.
Speaker1: What's that, Carrie Byron from Mythbusters? Do you have some data on that?
Speaker0: Speaking of daughters, oh, my God.
Speaker0: Okay, the other night, she's a little rambunctious, this kid.
Speaker0: She just turned four, and as soon as we get out of the car, she's just running down the street.
Speaker0: So it's like, you've got to stay with Mommy and Daddy. You can't just take off.
Speaker0: And so we go we're trying to go to
Speaker0: dinner with my parents they're meeting us at the restaurant
Speaker0: and we're chasing our all around and we're
Speaker0: like come on we're gonna get to the restaurant she's like yeah let's go to the
Speaker0: restaurant but as we're going to the restaurant we pass a candy store and she
Speaker0: runs in and loses her mind I we're like no no candy we got to go dinner first
Speaker0: and then we'll come back and get something she has a complete meltdown I have
Speaker0: to carry her out of the candy store, screaming, crying.
Speaker0: So I tell my family, I'm like, why don't you guys go get a table?
Speaker0: I, as soon as I try, I'll try to calm her down. Once I calm her down,
Speaker0: I'll come in and join you guys.
Speaker0: I'm like, she's literally fit to be tied. I wish I had a straitjacket.
Speaker0: She's punching me in the face, screaming and crying.
Speaker0: People are walking by looking at me and you could tell the people who have kids
Speaker0: and they're just like, oh, you poor bastard. Like I've been.
Speaker1: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker0: Punching me in the face and I'm like, come on, just calm down.
Speaker0: Come on, we're going to go. You're like trying everything I can.
Speaker0: Then this guy walks by and he's like, and she's screaming, where's mommy? Where's mommy? Right.
Speaker1: Oh, no. And he's like,
Speaker0: This guy walks by and he's like, yeah, where's her mom?
Speaker0: And I'm like, my wife, her mom is at the restaurant right now.
Speaker0: I'm trying to get her to calm down.
Speaker0: How do I know that? How do I know that that's your daughter?
Speaker0: And I'm like, dude, look at her. She looks like we look alike.
Speaker0: And if I was trying to abduct this kid, do you think I would be sitting here
Speaker0: in the middle of the plaza trying to calm her down? Or wouldn't I just take her and run?
Speaker0: And he's like, I'm going to call the cop. I go, call him, please.
Speaker0: And he's like, this is my town. I'm like, oh, this is your town.
Speaker0: Tell me about your town. Meanwhile, he's wearing a Dodgers jersey.
Speaker0: So I'm like, is this really your town? Like, where are you from?
Speaker0: If you're a Dodgers fan, you're probably not from Northern California.
Speaker0: Just my guess. But anyway.
Speaker0: I was so livid. I was like, I want to kill this guy. But at the same time.
Speaker1: If your daughter was being kidnapped, it would have been like,
Speaker1: the story would have been like, and then a good Samaritan actually took notice.
Speaker0: Right. He was trying to be a hero, right? And I'm like, dude,
Speaker0: do you see I'm trying to calm my daughter down?
Speaker0: The last thing I need right now is for you to be a hero.
Speaker1: Oh, parenting, man. Parenting at that age can be quite an experiment. Yeah.
Speaker0: Holy.
Speaker1: I mean, I all the time will walk past like somebody in the grocery store and
Speaker1: their kid is laying on the ground, like the dirty ground, kicking and screaming
Speaker1: because they can't get some candy.
Speaker1: And you're just I just walk by like, yeah, I get like give them the knowing
Speaker1: nod like it's all right, man. I know. Yeah.
Speaker1: Oh, you know, they say that, I mean, that's also something that's supposedly debunked. What?
Speaker1: There have been multiple experiments to say that sugar does not create hyperactivity
Speaker1: in kids and make them freak out.
Speaker1: But anecdotally, I feel like every single parent I've ever met completely refutes
Speaker1: that. Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker1: Every Saturday morning, my dad would bring home a big, giant thing of donuts.
Speaker1: Nuts and by noon my sister and I were clawing each other's eyes out oh yeah
Speaker1: like crashing like there's there's no way it doesn't make us crazy yeah
Speaker0: No we we totally see a difference like if you give her,
Speaker0: a lot of sugar she will be like crazy.
Speaker1: Scientists be damned i don't believe it so
Speaker0: You're trying to inspire kids to get into science is that that's the whole.
Speaker1: Yeah yeah yeah i mean it's like a byproduct of mythbusters i saw how many teachers
Speaker1: were using our clips in the classroom so even in the most rowdy crowds when
Speaker1: i've been giving a talk to a bunch of kids the second you put up a video even
Speaker1: the like snarkiest most obnoxious kid just shuts up and watches the video yeah
Speaker1: and they're learning it,
Speaker1: whether they're, you know, showing off for their friends or not,
Speaker1: they're all focusing on the video. So I'm like, this is powerful.
Speaker1: So I started working with a learning platform that, you know,
Speaker1: does digital storytelling.
Speaker1: And through that, we started the National STEM Festival and saw like,
Speaker1: you know, how much you can inspire kids into really cool careers. So yeah, I'm which
Speaker0: Will all be taken away by AI.
Speaker1: Not all of them. Yeah. We have been telling our kids coding,
Speaker1: coding, coding, and now AI can do it.
Speaker1: And I'm like, we should have been telling them critical thinking.
Speaker1: We should have been telling them humanities.
Speaker0: I don't know.
Speaker1: Those are future ready skills. Like you have to figure out storytelling.
Speaker1: Like those are future ready skills. And I feel like we're the only way we're
Speaker1: going to prepare our like next generation of kids is to teach them things that
Speaker1: are more essential than just like the basics. Like coding is great.
Speaker1: It's great to understand it. But like, nah, you've got to know critical thinking.
Speaker1: I want to play a clip for you about an experiment that was done with mice.
Speaker1: Obviously, I've been a little obsessed with mice ever since.
Speaker1: A lot of people have been emailing me because on a show I was talking about
Speaker1: I had a mouse infestation.
Speaker1: Everything's fine now, guys.
Speaker1: My house is mouse and rat free. And the rat that died inside my car,
Speaker1: inside the seat, inside the controls that rotted there, it's all been taken
Speaker1: care of, except for like every now I have a ghost smell.
Speaker0: You're a regular pie piper.
Speaker1: But hey, that is an AI-proof job. Exterminator. Right there.
Speaker1: Roll this clip. In 1968, American scientist John Callan created an environment
Speaker1: for mice that had everything.
Speaker1: Unlimited food, clean water, the perfect climate, and hundreds of nests.
Speaker1: In theory, this utopia could support nearly 4,000 mice. To start,
Speaker1: Callan just placed eight mice.
Speaker1: And just like Noah's Ark, four males and four females would go on to populate
Speaker1: this utopia. At first, everything looked perfect.
Speaker1: The mice bred rapidly, their numbers doubling every two months.
Speaker1: But then, the nightmare began.
Speaker1: Despite endless resources, the population began to collapse.
Speaker1: Callan noticed disturbing behavior.
Speaker1: Some males became withdrawn, spending their days grooming themselves obsessively
Speaker1: and refusing to fight or mate. He called them the influencers.
Speaker1: Just kidding, their children were the beautiful ones. There were also dominant
Speaker1: males that guarded their own harrow and prevented the weaker ones from accessing it.
Speaker1: These weaker mice would hang out with the females, but not to mate with them.
Speaker1: Interestingly enough, these vicar mice would instead attempt to mate with the dominant males.
Speaker1: What? That's so interesting, right? But then, the females also started to abandon
Speaker1: and even kill their young.
Speaker1: Violence and hypersexuality spread, with mice attacking each other at random.
Speaker1: Eventually, reproduction ceased entirely.
Speaker1: Perhaps Universe 25 wasn't just about mice, but a mirror held up to humanity.
Speaker1: Perhaps material abundance alone isn't enough for a thriving society.
Speaker1: That is terrifying. Eight mice become 2,000 mice. They're living in a utopia.
Speaker1: They are living with no need, but it breaks down because they have no purpose.
Speaker1: The reason I had pulled that clip up, because obviously my feed is full of all
Speaker1: sorts of like weird science things that I'm following.
Speaker1: But that one, I immediately just had a flashback to when we did the cereal myth.
Speaker1: Do you remember Jamie and Adam were doing the myth that there's more nutrition
Speaker1: in a cereal box than the cereal itself? and they did a whole experiment with mice that went...
Speaker1: Horribly wrong.
Speaker0: Horribly wrong. It was a bloodbath. Do you remember? Yes.
Speaker0: But they set up these two chambers, these mice,
Speaker0: and they had one feeding the mice the cereal, and then another chamber where
Speaker0: they were just feeding them the cardboard box of the cereal. And...
Speaker0: It took a while. It took a while. But then the mice starved.
Speaker0: The ones who were getting no food, who were getting the box.
Speaker0: They weren't eating it, but they were getting hungry.
Speaker0: And so they started eating each other.
Speaker1: Oh, it was so grim. So grim.
Speaker1: I feel like the show that we used to make, I don't know if we could make it anymore.
Speaker1: Yeah. Like the dead pigs, the mice.
Speaker1: This is, I mean, maybe it's just a mouse thing because I'll tell you what,
Speaker1: when I was a kid, I was like very sensitive.
Speaker1: And I couldn't stand in the pet store that they were feeding these live mice
Speaker1: to snakes and that you could buy feeder mice and they were alive.
Speaker1: So I used to take my allowance when I was really little.
Speaker1: It was feral. This was like the 80s. I would go down to the pet store and I
Speaker1: would spend my allowance to save these mice.
Speaker1: And I'd always keep one or two as a pet and then I would let the rest go.
Speaker0: Well, I remember when Jamie and Adam were doing the experiment,
Speaker0: I think this is like, this is what happened. If my memory serves me correct.
Speaker1: I know it was like 25 years ago.
Speaker0: Which lately it hasn't been. But I remember we went in to do like a checkup every morning.
Speaker0: They would come in and do a checkup on the mice. And they were like,
Speaker0: there were four mice in here and there was only three.
Speaker0: Did one get out? And they didn't, I don't think they understood until like the
Speaker0: next day where another mouse had been eaten and, you know, they started finding
Speaker0: fur and blood and then they realized what was happening.
Speaker0: Ugh, so gross. Cannibalism.
Speaker1: Universe 25. So Tori, when we start our punk rock band, can we call it Universe 25?
Speaker1: I feel like that's going to be it right there. That's us. Yeah.
Speaker0: Um, how are we doing? Should we do a, should we take a fan question?
Speaker1: Should we take a fan question? Yeah, I feel like it's that time of the episode
Speaker1: where we take a fan question.
Speaker0: All right, Carrie, this, so this fan question comes from Meg Hicks writes,
Speaker0: I'm sure it is a long shot that you guys see this, but somebody posted a TikTok
Speaker0: of an Adam and Jamie Halloween costume, and it might be the greatest thing I've
Speaker0: ever seen. Oh, yeah. Have you seen this?
Speaker1: Oh, okay. Play this. I want to see it. So it's a tall blonde guy and like a
Speaker1: black haired shorter girl and not what I would expected.
Speaker1: They do that thing where they put the hand to the camera and then like it's Adam and Jamie.
Speaker1: But like the girl is Jamie and she.
Speaker0: I know. What? It's so good.
Speaker1: How did she? She.
Speaker0: What?
Speaker1: That costume. They nailed it. So, yeah, it's not a long shot.
Speaker1: We saw it, you guys. And it is amazing. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker0: That's so good. Good stuff. Good stuff.
Speaker1: I remember when the show was really popular, people would send me their kids dressing up like us.
Speaker0: Yeah.
Speaker1: Yeah. I don't have them saved anymore because the Internet is not forever,
Speaker1: like they told us. It's not forever.
Speaker0: They're scrubbing it as we speak.
Speaker1: Yeah. Yeah. You can't get past a certain amount of Google searches anymore,
Speaker1: so you only get, like, the top 10 or something.
Speaker1: Like, no, the Internet is not forever. I was totally trying to find somebody
Speaker1: who dressed up like a little Tori for just to show you. But nah.
Speaker0: How cute.
Speaker1: Thank you, guys.
Speaker0: Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks for sharing that. Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker0: Thank you guys for watching. It's so good to see everybody.
Speaker1: And Tori, it's so fun to hang out with you every single week.
Speaker1: So please, you guys, if you love us, like, subscribe, follow so that Tori and
Speaker1: I can keep having this weekly date.
Speaker0: Yeah. It's so fun. And go get a t-shirt. Go get a t-shirt or a sweatshirt or
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