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Jessica Rose (02:56.814)
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Charlie Robinson (03:01.072)
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Jessica Rose (03:14.274)
Get your...

It's a picture that you can buy?

Charlie Robinson (03:20.22)
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Jessica Rose (03:36.205)
Hmm.

Charlie Robinson (03:49.371)
don't know about the poisons that are flowing through our system here. My goodness. Where do we even start? Could you just explain? I know who you are and what you're doing, but just in case somebody's listening here and is unfamiliar, what have you been doing these years? You've been a real, you've been taking a lot of the arrows from the vaccine community. A lot of people want to be angry about vaccines and rightly so. It's been, it's been

It's been interesting to watch the doctors get picked off one at a one. What was your experience with with coming out, speaking out against vaccines and all this in the medical industry?

Jessica Rose (04:34.03)
Yeah, interesting because primarily because I'm not anti-vaccine at all. I have a heavy science background. I'm very data science oriented. I'm against harms. So what I've been doing for the last five years is checking out adverse event data and pharmacovigilance databases, which are

you know, their government databases that surveil safety signals that are emergent from, you know, reports from human beings in temporal proximity to getting a vaccine. So it's just, it's, it's not disputable that the signals in the context of the COVID-19 shots are

You can't even use the word anomalous to describe it. It's like the difference between an average of 39,000 adverse events reported per year for all vaccines combined for the last 30 years compared to a million reports in one year alone in the context of one product. mean, come on now. you, there's nothing to...

to refute or dispute here. mean, there's more than a safety signal. And it's like, that's just the overall number, but we're talking about 14,000 different Medrocoded adverse event terms here, from death to, you know, transverse myelitis. I mean, it's a huge spectrum.

of adverse events that we're talking about that involves every single system in the human body in the context of one product. So, you know, if you want to argue that the COVID shots aren't causing anything, then what you have to do is you have to prove that that's not true. You know, because the data suggests otherwise. And so,

Jessica Rose (06:50.892)
Yeah, basically all me and, you know, a bunch of other people have been doing for the last five years is like saying, hello, you know, can you look at your own government data set and address it? First of all, and second of all, can you do the causality assessments that you're supposed to be doing subsequent to finding an emergent safety signal in your own data set? So yeah, that's, that's the gist of what I've been doing.

for the last five years.

Charlie Robinson (07:22.172)
How familiar were you with VAERS before you got into this? Apparently, so you're looking for anything out there that's causing damage, right? And of course the COVID vaccines jump on your radar for obvious reasons. But were you working in the VAERS system prior to that? And did you know about the 2009 Harvard Pilgrim?

study that showed that really like 1 % was getting through, 1 % of actual adverse effects were getting reported. So this was all new to you. So at the same time you're learning about what's going on with the COVID shots, you're like, well, let's check the reporting system. You're like, my God, what's going on with this reporting system? This thing's, this is no better, right? So what was your initial thoughts when you took a look at what VAERS was up to?

Jessica Rose (07:51.182)
I

Jessica Rose (08:12.002)
Well, was just obvious what was going on. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm unbiased on the subject matter. Like I, I've been injected with every single vaccine known to men prior to, you know, a certain year. I'm not anti-vaccine at all. I'm not even anti-inoculation. I think the concept is beautiful. It's just been bastardized. so.

Yeah, it's just, I am a pattern recognition person. I look at data, biological data, clinical trial data, and any kind of data, you know? I just look for patterns and the emergent patterns from VAERS, and I picked VAERS because it was very easily accessible. You can just download it from their website as a CSV file.

It was just so obvious what was going on. there's, it has a purpose, know, safety signal, detection. It's, like the fourth phase of clinical trials after phase three, you know, they, they, they make a determination. say, yes, look, it's safe and effective. And then they, they go from a small number of people that they tested this drug on.

or the prodrug on to a very large number of people in the general population. And pharmacovigilance is necessary in those circumstances because there are demographics that aren't covered in the clinical trials because there's a large list of exclusion criteria. So it's...

It's really, really, really, really important to do this next step, which I do call the phase four trial. and if you do find something out of the ordinary, or something emergent as a safety signal, you have to address it. That's the whole point of this. so yeah, I never, I never delved into this before cause I never had to. mean, I was just, I was just,

Jessica Rose (10:31.98)
you know, a person doing science before. I mean, I was doing a postdoc in biochemistry prior to this in protein biology. I was looking at ABC importers. Nothing to do with this. But, you know, as soon as they declared this so-called pandemic in early 2020 and

They started enforcing, you know, rules and so-called laws, fake laws and mandates, which had serious impositions on my personal life, you know, in terms of movement. was like, something is not right here. Like something is, something is cuckoo in the land of, of, of the world.

And it had nothing to do with virus. That was very apparent in all of the actions that they took. So yeah, anyway, it prompted me to start looking at this data. Especially when I started hearing that there was this one shot solution coming up in terms of a brand new experimental product that had

two novel technologies involved. mean, mean, if nothing went wrong, that would have been great, you know, but you can't just assume that nothing is going to go wrong when you deploy a brand new technology into into the, you know, the general public. mean, almost everybody got at least one of these shots. Most people got two, large proportion got three. Some people are still getting them.

today and you know if nothing else it's vital to follow these people and the adverse event profile that comes with that. So yeah the problem I've had primarily and what I've been looking at is the adverse event profile of the people who've been injected with the Pfizer and Moderna shots so it's not looking good.

Charlie Robinson (12:57.777)
What was the level of curiosity from your colleagues? Did any of them have interests in this or was there just like a wall that went up whenever it, you know, it's one thing you guys are studying proteins in the laboratory that don't have any emotional energy one way or the other, but the COVID component was really, it was political, it was ideological, it was all kinds of things. It wasn't science. Science was the last component of it, but it was all these other things.

Did you find that the people in your area of work were asking questions too or were you isolated in that?

Jessica Rose (13:34.651)
I was isolated. I was done my postdoc by the time this happened. My postdoc ended in December. I had planned a trip to Australia to go surfing as a break after three years of hard work. So yeah, I wasn't going to the lab every day, so I don't really know. I would hope that the people that I worked with and

You know, I had a good connection with would question what was going on, but I really don't know. what I can say about that is that I've been really surprised by the level of brainwashery that's been successful. you know, the, how people feel, and I really mean the word feel.

has nothing to do with their intelligence level or how many degrees they have or even life experience or age. like, it appears as though there's just a subset of people who are susceptible to believing everything that they're being told.

in the context of the legacy realm. know, the media, regulatory bodies, you know, the agencies that are meant to be looking out for us in terms of, you know, disease prevention. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like I'm still to this day called a conspiracy theorist by

people who know me, who've known me for like 50 years. It doesn't really make logical sense because I don't fall back on my degrees. I would never do that. Cause I think the whole academic thing is bullshit in one way. on the other hand, because of

Jessica Rose (15:57.879)
the nature of who I am, very curious and I'm very skeptical. I question everything, like I don't hold many beliefs per se. So it surprises me that anyone would assume that simply by my questioning something,

it would put me in some kind of category, you know, like a tinfoil hat wearing person or something, which I would be proud to say that I am, I suppose, at this point.

Charlie Robinson (16:37.425)
These days, it's a badge of honor. mean, if not just it's designation that says, I was paying attention or I have questions or things don't add up and I'm willing to raise my hand and say, I don't know about this. I have a question about that.

Jessica Rose (16:40.824)
Yeah.

Jessica Rose (16:50.894)
Maybe this little Faraday cage on my head is actually doing something to protect my brain Yeah, so I don't know like Can you remember what the question was but yeah, it's been it's been shocking and saddening because There's nothing you can do. You just kind of have to wait for people to come into their own

Truth I suppose to to confront their own You know onion peeling situation you can't rush someone into The future of who they're gonna be you just can't you can you can? Beg questions for them. You can help them to ask their own questions, which I think is the most It's the most

It's the thing that works the best. Because then you're leaving someone alone with their own thoughts and so they're battling themselves, which is what they have to do. But yeah, mean, it takes time and sometimes it never happens. you just, I don't know, you have to be forgiving. You have to be open. You have to be...

Charlie Robinson (17:52.477)
100%.

Jessica Rose (18:17.43)
non-emotional yeah just present facts and data so yeah that's that's what i try to do it's hard though because i mean we're watching the destruction of like society really

Charlie Robinson (18:34.79)
I've made this, I've had this assumption for a while, and it's incorrect apparently, that if I lay out facts and statistics and I connect the dots and I lay it out in a perfect logical manner and break it down as simply as I can, that that's what will convince somebody. And what I've found is that maybe with some people it will, but there's a segment that I can't reach them that way. They're simply just emotional.

If facts don't care, they feel a certain way, therefore it is, and the facts be damned. And so I've had to experiment in kind of the way that you mentioned, ask them questions and let them sit with that themselves. It's been the best strategy that I've come to because I've tried to sit people down and tell them how it is and that doesn't work. It feels like a lecture. Nobody wants that. But I've done something just as easy as, what do you think about this? I asked a friend of mine, hey, what do you make of

there being 38 million cases of the flu one year and then flu went away, but then there's 38 million cases of COVID. What happened to the flu? And his response was masks. And I went, well, then what about COVID? And he said, I don't know, man. It's like two questions. That was all it took for him to not have a real answer. And it occurred to me that like, somebody, maybe they haven't asked themselves, they haven't asked of themselves what's going on.

What do I think about this? Nobody's asked them any questions. They've only been told. This is what's going on. They've been told by the news, or they've been told by the doctors, they've been told by everybody, but nobody's asked them. I asked one simple question, I couldn't get a straight answer. It was amazing.

Jessica Rose (20:13.837)
It's really important to be like, I'll use the word confrontational like that. It's, it's, it is confronting because it's, is very simple. Just asking a question, which is just a series of words strung together, but it can, it can really do some, something to someone's like neural patterns. It's about habit forming. And I think, you know, in terms of

feeling comfortable, you know, going through each day, you know, feeling comfortable, you know, it's, important not to, challenge yourself too much because sometimes if you do, you'll get uncomfortable and most people don't want to feel uncomfortable. But the thing about that is, you might not

form new neural patterns and shift out of habits that maybe you shouldn't be engaged in if you don't do that. And this is one of those examples, I think. It's hard to admit that these academic journals that we all kind of rely on are run by criminals. I don't know how else to say it.

They're all capture. I mean, I always kind of knew they were captured, but I didn't really realize the extent of the cartelness of it all until I started getting my papers withdrawn and retracted and censored. I mean, me? Me? I'm irrelevant. Like why the hell is my work being retracted? That's retarded. Sorry.

You I know a lot of people are offended by that word, but it's an old school ladies' of saying, you Anyway. It's just like... Yeah, you...

Charlie Robinson (22:11.848)
this audience knows.

Jessica Rose (22:23.465)
It's hard, man. It's all about humanity and what we are as humans and the fact that we... the great things about us were preyed upon during this whole COVID con. We still are being preyed on. All of our benevolence, like to serve the greater God. Like, I... for me, this whole thing has ruined that concept.

It's ruined rainbows. It's ruined, you know, cool coloured hair. I'm sorry, but it has. mean, and it, I'm s- You might think, wow, she's jumping from place to place, but no. All of it- It's part and parcel. It's about transhumanism. It's about, like, making humans into automatons. seriously, it is.

Charlie Robinson (23:04.626)
I get it.

Charlie Robinson (23:16.744)
What mission accomplished? Is it not? Because it feels like, and I wonder if this is, I mean, there's so many people, I watch them and I don't know that they've had an original thought in quite a while. And it feels like an NPC, like a flood of NPCs out there. I don't know. mean, are.

Jessica Rose (23:20.435)
No!

Jessica Rose (23:37.71)
Yeah, that's, that's interesting. mean, uh, I can't deny that when I go through the world, that it doesn't really feel like I'm surrounded by zombies. Um, you know, from there are levels of it, right? There are people who are just disengaged or disconnected because they're, you know, engaged with this device in their hand. Um,

But there are people who are disengaged on another level that seem more like these non-player characters, I guess is the term, which does get me thinking about other things like, you know, whether or not we're in a simulation, et cetera, but...

Charlie Robinson (24:26.694)
me too, but did these shots contribute to this? because are you- i don't remember it

Jessica Rose (24:30.423)
Well, there seems to be something, there seems to be something like, let's say testable about the, the impact on, on brain biochemistry with regard to,

being able to connect to your surroundings, the environment that you're in, to other beings in that environment, there does seem to be like,

Jessica Rose (25:12.855)
I mean, I don't know if it's quantifiable, but there does seem to be some kind of,

Disconnect. don't know. I wish I had a better way to describe it, but I just haven't gotten there yet in my journey into investigating this. it's absolutely real. mean, there are so many neurological adverse events reported in all of the pharmacovigilance databases all over the world.

Charlie Robinson (25:24.723)
Yeah.

Jessica Rose (25:51.906)
We're talking about hundreds of thousands reported cases. So if you consider under reporting factors, it's probably way higher than that. And it's not just, demyelinating conditions, for example. and, and neuropathies it's, it's like there there's psychosis involved, hallucinations, all kinds, know, auditory visual.

All sorts of these. so there's absolutely something neurological, that there is not neurological involvement with regard to these COVID shots. There's no doubt about that. Nobody can refute that. The numbers are just too high. So the mechanism of action is what we need to nail down. Like I don't...

I don't even fathom a guess. mean, there's a video about this god gene thing and like that, you know, they, set out, they quote unquote set out to like turn off the god gene so that they can disconnect you from et cetera. I find that an intriguing hypothesis because, and I don't, I don't want to go down too deep into rabbit holes, but the thing is we are in the era of gene therapy.

And we're, being lied to consistently by these governing bodies. So it's really hard to believe that what they told us we were being injected with, with these COVID shots is actually what it was. I hate that thought, but it's true. And because CRISPR Cas9 is real, I mean, it works. You can, you can, you know, cut out genes, you can modify genes.

You can do whatever you want. It's a working technology. It's hard for my brain not to go there. Even if not now, even if not that's what they've done up to this point, it's definitely in the pipeline.

Jessica Rose (28:08.445)
There are some really evil bastards out there. I mean, there's no doubt about that. Nobody can refute that and a lot unfortunately It's just it statistically confirmable that a lot of psychopaths End up getting well, there's there's some kind of correlation between being very rich and psychopathy

Charlie Robinson (28:08.959)
For sure.

Jessica Rose (28:36.235)
Because in order to get really rich, sometimes you have to kind of forget about hurting humans in order to make a lot of money. This is just how it is. so a lot of these ultra-rich people, eugenicists, for example, we all know examples of those. you know, they, I mean, they probably think that they're doing the right thing.

But people who are being targeted probably don't. Nonetheless, there's...

Charlie Robinson (29:10.495)
No.

Jessica Rose (29:15.895)
You know, it involves, I'm gonna say it, it involves a certain level of psychopathy to get to the point where you're gonna be making billions of dollars off the backs of human suffering, of humans who are suffering, for example. I know that sounds very dramatic, but I mean, it's, just look at history, look at where,

Charlie Robinson (29:40.384)
No, not to me. I'm in the middle of writing a book about eugenics. I'm all over the topic. know the first time you hear it, of course, it sounds crazy. It sounds like something that would be incompatible with the decent... Yeah, and then you find, well, yeah, this has been going on for quite some time. And I wonder...

Jessica Rose (29:48.556)
Yeah.

I'm

Jessica Rose (29:59.362)
No, I mean this is a part of our history.

Charlie Robinson (30:06.195)
You know, I go back to what Rudolf Steiner talked about 100 years ago saying, you know, at some point there will be a vaccine that will disconnect our soul. And I wonder if they didn't just find it. You know, they eventually figured it out because is this the calcification of the pineal gland, a disconnection of the God molecule or particle or whatever it is, there's a light that has gone off in the eyes of some people, not everybody, not everybody with every shot every time, but there's some people.

that I've noticed that they're not themselves. They're easily agitated, they're very angry, these get set off. It feels almost like a, I wanna say, like an older person with some sort of brain disorder who gets irrationally angry and starts screaming at people, a little old lady who starts going off. I've had these experiences with people that were

normally very nice, there's that sweet cat. And I'm watching it happen, it had been theoretical and now I'm starting to have people in my own lives who are behaving in a different way. And so I'm with you. I can't deny that this is happening. I'm not qualified to go in and say exactly what it is. I don't know, but I know that there's something and it's something I can't really put my finger on.

When you were going through your work with VAERS, with everything that you've been working on the last couple of years, did you see, we were told that there was going to be a big spike in mortality in 2020, right? This is the pandemic, everybody's gonna die, and then we're gonna get the vaccine and everything's gonna be fixed and then that will drop off. Did you see that?

Did you see big spikes in mortality in 2020 or did you see those in 2021 actually when the vaccines rolled out? Or did you see them at all?

Jessica Rose (32:05.357)
I don't know, I wasn't looking. To be honest with you, but I know people who were looking and the mortality spikes came after, you know, the dissemination of these so-called vaccines. There's no doubt. mean, like, you can't... It's not just about pharmacovigilance databases. It's...

It's databases you wouldn't think to look at like life insurance.

Charlie Robinson (32:41.599)
Yes, life insurance. I'm really glad you brought that up because that was something that was sending people into tizzies. was listening to Ed Doud talk about this. I was listening to insurance companies that normally a 10 % spike in mortality is a one in 200 year event and they were having 40 % spikes in mortality. Interesting angle to this of all the things.

Insurance companies are going to be the canary in the coal mine aren't they for this? Because they don't mess around they're talking about money. They're about money man. Let's look at the actuary tail I need to know what I'm gonna be making. I can't I can't get on in on this agenda. This is about billions of dollars How are people dying? Yes or no? And if they are if they're my customers with policies and they're dying and I have to pay out on this You know, I need to know what's what so with the insurance companies. What did they find?

Jessica Rose (33:09.229)
Yeah, and young people too.

Yeah, like, Young?

Jessica Rose (33:30.049)
Exactly.

Jessica Rose (33:36.878)
Yeah, so it was working, uh, aged people, like young people where there was this, I don't know, multi-sigma, you know, signal, you know, death signal. Um, you know, I, I I don't describe it well, but like, yeah, a lot of people who shouldn't have been dying were dying at this particular time. So that's, that's what it was showing. And it's like, when you, when you combine that.

with all the pharmacovigilance data, with hospital data, with word of mouth, you know, people will say, it's just an anecdote. It's not a fricking anecdote if it's a million or millions of people from different countries that have nothing to do with each other all over the world. I mean, there's so many ways you can look at this and it's not just that it's happening that's shocking. It's the fact that it's been ignored.

so stemically. I mean, there are some government leaders who are side-eyeing the whole thing and good for them. They're gonna be the leaders of the future because they're not only not blind to what's going on, but they're actually taking action, hopefully for the benefit of their people.

Whoever clues into this, you know, the fastest is, gonna, you know, I don't know how else to say it, but when the human race, like, you know, they're going to have the best strongest, most ethical, moral society around. And that's what we need. I was thinking more about the, you know,

Charlie Robinson (35:27.967)
Is that Japan? Is that gonna be Japan? Because their studies are out now.

Jessica Rose (35:35.917)
Slovakia in particular, I think it was, who turned their back on this.

Maybe it was Slovenia as well. Forgive me for not remembering, but...

Potentially Romania as well.

Jessica Rose (35:57.014)
There are some places.

I don't know, I've been saying this for ages, like, in- in-

In the context of the legacy media, like I know that you're a machine. I know that you are paid by certain entities. I know that you guys have to read from teleprompters, but listen, if, if one of your writers clues into the fact that the people are not dumb and that they're very well aware, especially nowadays, you know, with social media and like, you know,

the internet, cetera. They're very aware of what's going on. Whoever taps into the truth and whoever like takes a moral stance, and I do mean moral, not just ethical, is going to have the huge just backing by the people. You know, it's just, it's set in stone.

It seems too easy, right? Like, whoever tells the truth, whoever stands on integrity, ethics, and morals is going to be the biggest, you know, winner, if you want to put it that way of all. It's that simple. Because the people, people, you know, it's just the way that we are as humans. We're hierarchical. We need a leader.

Jessica Rose (37:33.599)
Not all of us are leaders. There are some of us, some among us who are leaders. And if those people recognize the importance of listening to the people and, and, you know, addressing their actual needs that, that, you know, resonate with what, not just who they are as a population, humans.

you know, dirty, ugly, know, like beautiful, all the things that humans are, you know, but, acknowledge it. be truthful. They're, they're, they're going to have the best fricking society of all. And you know, if, if people adhere to, you know, universe 25 type politics, then it's just going to always end in the downfall of society.

Which is I think what we're looking at, but whatever.

Charlie Robinson (38:35.904)
I wonder how much things change now that the media has really lost their grip. mean, the mainstream corporate press is not what it used to be. I think what we saw with the No Kings 2 protest was that the only people who are really getting out there in the streets for that were getting their news from the mainstream media. And it was like old boomer age liberals. And that's the only ones that were getting it. And you're like, all right, well that's...

the last generation who still trust the television, that's nice. But of course, they've made the pivot into the mainstream alternative media, right? So it's not just, we're not on TV anymore, so you can trust us. Now we're on the computer, right? We're the names you might recognize, but in computer form, a podcast by a guy who used to be ex-CIA or something like that, or Tucker Carlson leaves.

Fox, the big establishment, now he's somehow alternative media, even though he's really not. So there's like a new, it feels like a new flavor where they're gonna try and get the new generation who is distrustful of their TV to find some new leadership group to follow. But of course, that'll be compromised. I can't imagine that they're gonna allow us to get fresh information from these people. Where do you go?

pretty good at sifting through what's truth and fiction. Where are you looking for your news when it comes to trying to get a handle on what's going on these days? Is it content person specific, like I like Vanessa Beely's writing, I trust her, I read her stuff, or is it that I like this company that delivers my news?

Jessica Rose (40:30.0)
My first thought is go inside. don't know. I don't really depend on anyone for info. There are some people that I find more reliable in terms of legitimacy. You wouldn't know any of them. They're just, you know, the

nerds in the background but yeah I don't know I just read a lot and I compare a lot and I you know contrast a lot I ask a lot of questions I question myself you know I question everything that I read I double check

Yeah, I...

In terms of sources, mean, Christ, there's nobody who can keep up with the amount of information that's being disseminated nowadays. Even in the science realm. mean, just today, I found a paper that was published really recently, like a week ago, in Science. It's pretty bad.

Jessica Rose (41:59.113)
It's a proof of concept thing and they're only in mice so far, but it's kind of like the nucleoside modified mRNA LNP wrapped technology on crack. I thought the self-amplifying thing was bad and it is, it's worse conceptually, but this is like, it's a different version.

of the technology on crack. So what they've done as a proof of concept is instead of encoding only the spike protein in, in an mRNA, you know, let's just call it a template. They've constructed, a, a, an additional piece in the template that serves as the coding material for the scaffold.

that would mount spike components, and we're talking about SARS-2 spike, and we all know about that, I hope, on its surface. So we're talking about the coding material for a nanoparticle that basically just, it's a spike bomb.

There's no other way to say it. It's a protein spike bomb. Instead of one spike, it's like a spike depth charge. Yeah, exactly. Very good analogy. Exactly. Exactly. Except like billions of them. And your own cells, your own cellular machinery is producing these proteins.

Charlie Robinson (43:37.364)
Like a sea urchin.

Charlie Robinson (43:47.038)
Right, great.

Jessica Rose (43:54.571)
which eventually they get constructed and 60 of them come together and they form one of these nanoparticles, which gets out of the cell and does the immunological journey.

I wrote this up today in my sub stack. It's just, you know, it's proof that the COVID era to me was just a segue for the next generation of shit that's coming, that's all gonna be based on this exact same technology, which is gene therapy. I'm sorry, it is.

you're you're introducing foreign genes into the human body for you know production by the the the human cell machinery and unfortunately if if we can go back to the the the original chicken recipe with just the nucleoside modified mRNA

That stuff can reverse transcribe, which means that it can integrate into your genome. And very recently, me and two colleagues, Kevin McKernan and David Speaker, have published a paper that confirms that there's shit tons of DNA in the vials of those COVID products that are meant to be only mRNA. And what that means is a bunch of stuff.

First of all, I don't even know where to start with this because all of the regulatory bodies and these disease prevention agencies, cetera, the pharmaceutical companies themselves have said, you know, very definitively, since the beginning, like there's no way that these things are gonna have any problem with your DNA because they're mRNA. Oh, okay.

Jessica Rose (46:08.47)
But they knew that was a lie because DNA was always, always a recognized impurity as part of the manufacturing process. And because they didn't do due due due diligence at the end of the synthesis process of this nucleoside modified mRNA, DNA ended up getting in the vials. And this isn't just like run of the mill DNA. This is plasma DNA, which includes

SV40 promoter enhancers, includes antibiotic resistance genes, it includes all sorts of stuff which can wreak havoc on genomic stability. And if that, you know, I know I'm going on a rant here, but it's just incredible. Like how many problems there are with this platform as it stands that haven't been acknowledged yet, let alone dealt with.

And we're moving on to, you know, version 2.0 or however many versions there have been.

It's just crazy to me. It's like dudes, you can't just come up with new coding material and wrap it in this lipid nanoparticle, which is horrifically toxic toxic by its own safety data sheet. None of this has been resolved. None of it. It's just we've okay. I'm presenting a talk in the Netherlands very soon.

which is actually going to address all of this stuff like the safe and effective narrative and how much of a lie that was with a lot of evidence and data. It's just incredible to me that this mantra, which if you look it up, they used it for DDT as well, or what was that drug that they said would help morning sickness with pregnancy?

Charlie Robinson (47:54.603)
Mm-hmm.

Charlie Robinson (48:16.07)
the, the, the marisol, no, not their Marisol, the little mine.

Jessica Rose (48:22.828)
Thank you. So that was the narrative they used to self-anlytomide as well. Go back and look at the history of the mantra of safe and effective. It's very telling. It's a complete lie. And I'm not saying that lightly. It's absolutely, like if I want to use their language, it's disinformation.

which means not only was it not correct, but the people who were saying it knew it wasn't correct. And we know that because we have dated documents. So it's...

Charlie Robinson (48:50.645)
You

Jessica Rose (49:08.126)
Wow, that was a big rant and I don't remember where I started but I guess

Charlie Robinson (49:12.147)
All right. want to talk. Well, well, when you're with this mRNA technology that comes out, gene therapy, whatever we want to call it, we've now started to have to have the conversation about turbo cancer, soft tissue cancer died suddenly. This is making its way into the public lexicon almost in some respects. When I see it reported by the mainstream media,

I kind of half wonder if the person who wrote the article is on our side trying to signal it every time they say, died suddenly. Wink, wink, wake up, you know, like almost like they're trying to say, wake up, how many times can we say died suddenly until you guys figure it out? So what have you noticed about the explosion in cancers in the aftermath of mRNA technology?

Jessica Rose (50:04.236)
Uh, well, I can tell you what I find in VAERS, which is one of the slides I'm going to present at this talk. any kind of cancer that you look at. Okay. If you look at general cancers, like if you do a query for cancer and tumor in VAERS, um, it's not just that the numbers, the absolute numbers are much higher than they've been for the past 30 years.

Like if you compare all vaccines combined against only the COVID shots, it's not just that. If you normalize it per a hundred thousand reported adverse events, it's still much higher as of 2021. And it's not just that. The scariest part is that the signal as you go, you know, progressively higher in years, it's getting higher.

And that's really significant because people haven't been getting as many shots in successively years as they have in 2021. So what that means is the denominator is smaller and the numerators, you know, bigger relatively. So the signal is getting more, more, um, it's, it's getting significantly higher as the years go on.

colon cancer in particular, breast cancer. I haven't looked at another type of cancer, so for general cancer in these two specific types, the signal is increasing, which is by definition, in my opinion, if I was working with HHS or CDC, which I might be soon,

I would consider that a safety signal worth investigating further. Like why is the signal in VAERS for colon cancer, for example, like why has it increased 4,000 % between 2020 and 2021? And why is it increasing, you know, by 500 % every year after 2021 when the number of shots being administered is decreasing?

Jessica Rose (52:25.899)
I would ask those kinds of questions. Personally, I don't think it's just the shots, but I think what the shots, something about these COVID shots take whatever problems might be existent and push them over the edge. If you're close to death, if you're old, it's going to kill you.

It's clear in the data that that happened. It's very clear. If you have an autoimmune condition that's suppressed, it'll reemerge. Multiple sclerosis, perfect example. If you have inflammation, which everybody has low-level inflammation because we live in a toxic world,

You you're, you're, you're going to have that amplified as well. If you have,

cardiac issue. You could just name everything. it's just whatever the mechanism of action is, it's immunological for sure. But whatever this, you know, there has to be some kind of commonality. It's weird because it's not everybody who succumbed to adverse events in the context of these shots, but a large percentage of people did.

Charlie Robinson (53:33.346)
Yeah.

Jessica Rose (54:00.874)
I've been saying about 15%, but maybe it's higher. and we just haven't seen, you know, their, their, their adverse event profile because it's too far out. but it's absolutely a real phenomenon and it's immunologically based and we have to figure out like what, what is

What is the mechanism of action? Or if there are many different kinds of mechanisms of actions within different demographics, for example, so we can help people. That's the bottom line here. Like that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.

Charlie Robinson (54:42.594)
Yeah.

Charlie Robinson (54:48.45)
For sure, what do we do? If we've got somebody who's experiencing these feelings, they took the shots, they have regrets about it, they have physical issues, they're starting to freak out a little bit, they're saying, all right, well, I want to be proactive about this, maybe I feel okay right now, but I'm worried that maybe I'll feel worse in the future. Where do you send them? You don't want to say it's hopeless, you don't want to say there's nothing to do, there's got to be something you can do.

Jessica Rose (55:15.197)
of course it's not hopeless.

Charlie Robinson (55:15.948)
Where do we send them? What is there, what can they do to start to purge their body of these poisons or I don't even really know how it works.

Jessica Rose (55:26.579)
I think you send them to nature and I'm really serious about that. If you don't live in a place where they're spraying acrocytes everywhere, you can and you should ground every single day. Put your bare feet on the ground. I'm not kidding. Saunas are miraculous. I've heard great things about ice baths.

which I couldn't tolerate myself, but apparently they have something to do with vagal nerve writing, exercise movement, fascia release, sunshine, the most important thing. I know this sounds kind of granola and you guys might be surprised that I'm saying this, but these are the keys to longevity.

Charlie Robinson (55:59.564)
Neither.

Charlie Robinson (56:20.48)
I had Dr. Cruz on here. We talked about sunshine. They know. We talked about grounding. My audience isn't gonna think it's weird at all. In fact, it's quite, quite...

It really is the answer, right? The more you get closer to nature, further away from...

Jessica Rose (56:35.691)
Of course it is. It's getting, it's what you know, bring, right? Like when you think about how most people spend most of their days in fake light, which is terrible. Like, do you guys know that most of the lighting in most of these buildings that we have now is like flashing like how many times a second? We don't have incandescent bulbs on the go anymore. So it's like,

This is doing something to your brain. And it's, it's, it's a certain wavelength. You know, I don't know enough about it, but it's for me, if I spend, I'm serious. If I spend even five minutes in a fake environment, like a mall or, or, or a bunch of offices, I, I, I'm like, like, I have to get out of there.

Like, it's like a visceral response to something that is not where I'm meant to be, quote unquote, as a human being. It's the opposite when I go out into the sunshine and put my feet on the ground, which I haven't done in way too long. natural tendency toward the things that kind of

made us who we are. the, the realm from which we developed technically, and that includes food. Like, you know, you know, some people are vegetarians, some people are vegans, you know, whatever you want to do. I've been at all. but it seems like because we can eat meat, you know, we probably should.

Our bodies are designed to tolerate it, so it seems to me logical that we probably should ingest animal fats as part of...

Jessica Rose (58:47.327)
balance, maybe not all the time, but like, don't know. The main thing I think for everyone to kind of tap into is what's good for you. Like, because every single person is individual, we all have epigenetic landscapes, which we have to deal with. Our environment is most likely providing us with hordes of toxins.

You might not even be aware of electromagnetic, know, light, fricking, you know, endocrine disruptors from, from microplastics and fricking everything. Sorry, sorry, but it's like, it's so hard to avoid all of this stuff. like minimizing your toxic ingestion from all the branches and then honing in on like what makes you feel good. And.

Charlie Robinson (59:27.299)
Paint. It's everywhere. We're in a soup.

Jessica Rose (59:44.585)
You'll know that it's just something that comes from inside. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what else to say about that.

Charlie Robinson (59:54.084)
Let's wrap up with this. Let's get to the real question. Best places you've ever surfed and the place on your list that you still haven't gone that you wanna go.

Jessica Rose (01:00:04.199)
Noosa, of course. and place that I want to go.

Jessica Rose (01:00:16.128)
Hmm.

Jessica Rose (01:00:19.851)
I don't know. A wave that I want to surf that I haven't surfed.

Jessica Rose (01:00:30.123)
I don't know, it's probably some wave I've never heard of along the...

Maybe the Pacific Coast, but

Jessica Rose (01:00:42.943)
I don't know. Never thought of it.

Charlie Robinson (01:00:44.899)
Where's a good surf trip? Where's a good surf spot? A good surf trip for people to go. I had some friends that were going to Costa Rica. I everyone loves that. Where would you suggest?

Jessica Rose (01:01:01.419)
I know. I had a good time in Sri Lanka, but Sri Lanka has changed since COVID. Yeah, know, everywhere has. El Salvador looks like, you know, it's kind of pumping from all the competitions. Panama, of course. There's...

Jessica Rose (01:01:27.709)
Indonesia, I mean, come on. mean, there's there's like some of the best waves ever there. I've never been. Maybe Indonesia is where I would go on a surf trip that I haven't been that probably has waves that I'd be like, I've been dead until this moment in my life because I haven't seen this wave. my God, I need to surf again.

Charlie Robinson (01:01:48.066)
Yeah

Charlie Robinson (01:01:55.781)
So there aren't, there's not a whole lot of overlap that I've found between doctors and surfers. Are you a genetic, what's your, Carey Mullis, yes, nevermind. I'll take that back. Yeah, he's the king then. So is there a thing, that what it is you do serious, hardcore, heavy?

Jessica Rose (01:01:57.451)
Yeah.

Jessica Rose (01:02:11.647)
Harry Mollis? Are you kidding?

Charlie Robinson (01:02:23.972)
brainwave work all day long and then you zen out on a surfboard.

Jessica Rose (01:02:29.905)
Nah, it's not like that. It's all the same to me. Like, the way that my brain works when I'm pondering how molecular machines work is the same way that it works when I'm out in the water. It's more detached when I'm out in the water because I'm not thinking when I'm out there. It's more...

You you go more into a meditative state after a while because I don't know, it's just what happens. but it's, I'm sure it's the same, like, you know, neural connections connecting.

same thought processes.

I don't know.

Charlie Robinson (01:03:24.58)
Get out of the way of your body. Get, let your mind just run a little bit free, whether you're on the waves or staring at Petri dishes.

Jessica Rose (01:03:38.283)
Yeah, I haven't stared at Petri dish in a long time though, not since 2018.

Charlie Robinson (01:03:42.596)
I'm just assuming what your job is. I'm just making I'm just all right

Jessica Rose (01:03:46.997)
That was my job when I was in postdoc. Yeah. I used to, I did a lot of protein purification. you have to make a lot of protein and we used to need coli systems. So yeah. yeah, I used to wake up in the morning and run to the lab and be like, I do have colonies. cause sometimes, you know, your, your antibiotic resistance gene wouldn't work out.

Charlie Robinson (01:04:10.926)
Yeah.

Jessica Rose (01:04:14.975)
in the way that you hoped. Anyway.

Charlie Robinson (01:04:17.998)
That's funny. how things have changed. Now you're just saving the world. Now you're just saving humanity from these poison shots. Dr. Rose, what's the best place for people to find you? Would it be, obviously, Substack is a great place. I've been republishing Substack over on Activist Post as well. So is there any place else that you would send people to find your work?

Jessica Rose (01:04:41.419)
Nope, that's about it for now. There might be some stuff coming up in the future, so stay tuned. Yeah, I post on Twitter though. The number of subscribers is a little bit bigger, but I'm pretty censored on Twitter. There are some people controlling that platform who don't really like what I'm saying.

Charlie Robinson (01:05:08.9)
That's how you know you're doing it right. Yeah, well, if you were being boosted by the algorithms, I think I'd probably be a bit suspicious because the things that we're talking about are the things that they don't want anybody else to know about. So being de-boosted is actually a badge of honor. That's Dr. Jessica Rose, everybody. Please go support her work. Go to Substack and get yourself educated. Follow her. If you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.

Jessica Rose (01:05:10.776)
Hmm. Yeah.

Jessica Rose (01:05:19.239)
Exactly! That's how it works.

Charlie Robinson (01:05:37.336)
That IO is the way to do that. Thank you everybody. We'll talk to you again soon.