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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of the Baseball America fantasy podcast is your host Jeff Ponce alongside me as always is my co-host up in a great white north The fighting city at Toronto that would be dealing white former NFBC main event co-champia haven't said that in a while doing wanted to break it back up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going on, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's because it's all it's all ancient history

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and not bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, first time in a while, it's cold slushy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's earned a mouth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So pretty gross, but uh, things to do in a well, the hot stove is warm, which is keeping me warm up here in in Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the winter meetings just, uh, kind of ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think this this evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so some big deals will be talking about those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we had the rule five draft as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to get into any rule five stuff because we actually had a breakdown podcast that came out right after the rule five, you can go back and listen to that should be the podcast above this one in the baseball America podcast feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we can also maybe talk about them in a couple of weeks, because we'll be through a position of rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be talking short stops today, but before we get into that, Dylan, let's talk about some of the news, some of the news, some of the happenings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the biggest deal that's dropped thus far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that be Peter Lanzo signs with the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good move for the Orioles offense, bad for Kobe Mayo and some of the other guys in Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's a lot of money in a lot of years for an older first baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This could age pretty poorly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess in a vacuum for for 2026 and then going forward from a dynasty perspective, do you like the fit or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it matters when you have power like Alonzo has, you had like what 53 home runs or something like that and like 46 last year or something I don't know, something ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't really matter what park it is, it doesn't matter if the park has the left field fences move back, he'll be a power hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's a bit surprising to spend so much money on a, you know, right hand hitting first basement, like you said, they don't age that well, like usually it's like 0.5 war per year, but like first basement, D h times it's like 0.7 war is kind of like the Asian curve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so he was like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These like three and a half, I think projected this year, so that's going to drop, or maybe three, and it's going to drop pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, these long term deals, it's always like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first three, like the for 60% of the deal is above water as I think it's under water quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Lanzo, like they're they're pushing in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that for baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that for the Blue Jays and the AL East, just making a bit tougher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he has signed everybody, no, and you're wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true, that is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that the market's robust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it's robust for these types of, you know, like the CJ Cronz and all that, like they weren't getting any money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now it's kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Laws is going to use money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it's a different player, different stratosphere, but yeah, no, I think it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever people are spending, especially when there's a cognitive bargaining thing on the horizon and they're still spending, I think it's encouraging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is encouraging as well and speaking of spending the fillies went out and they bring back Kyle Schworber on a pretty big deal as well obviously miss has been These have probably two of the premier home run hitters in the game we talked just about the home run hitting abilities Schworber's been the top guy the last handful of years

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you expect this to age?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does some of these DH type players can age fairly well?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the aging curve can slow down a little bit because they are just hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're bigger stronger guys like this, I'm not so concerned about bats speed going away or just atrophying at a quick rate or at the time them falling off the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the end of this deal, it may not be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just like 2026 value and then going forward sort of how are you viewing this move of sure we're going back to fill it all here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much similar comment about the Alonzo like this is a DH and the spending you know 30 million per year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the day to have five war last year, which is pretty impressive, but 56 home runs, 132 RBIs, 365 OPP, 152 WRC+.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's projected for three war, which is pretty impressive considering he's a DH, like it's all bad, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a huge adjustment down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to hit three war as a DH is pretty impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think it's going to age pretty much like the Alonzo, but maybe a bit slower like he said because he's DHing, so he's not in the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the wear and tear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could might have like a David or T stack of longevity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's projected 45 home runs 133 WRC plus going to steamer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, even in in three years, like he's still going to be in a above average hitter with like 30 home runs per year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it doesn't really change his his value at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: same idea as the law.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no park is going to contain him, but does really matter where he signs, that the known commodity in Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like his value in Peter Lawson's value and the guidance to question is basically the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think obviously, which Robert, it doesn't concern me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even like that three-year window, I think with both of these guys, I'm pretty comfortable looking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Know what you're going to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, more comfortable with Schwerber than I am with Alonso, just in terms of like what I think you're going to provide the home runs like all that sort of thing, um, you know, Alonso's fluctuations in batting average from year to year or a little bit tricky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He leaves the mats after they sign, get the lambs to talk about that last week's show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on Edwin Diaz going to the Dodgers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously one of the more established closers in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers have been searching for that closure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done a lot well over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've won back to back-world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been a tremendous organization top to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't really had a stable closer

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your thoughts on Evan Diaz going to the Dodgers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think this work is the long search over?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Brown's quarterbacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know your Canadian see me not get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers had a tough time last year in the night, the Tanner Scott, much maligned to Tanner Scott.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blake tried and was pretty bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Evan Phillips was on the D.I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Allen and Kirby Yates wasn't very effective and Vesia was injured as well and had some other stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think very good for the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when he signed Edwin DS, it's gonna improve your club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has the third highest war of the last five years

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[SPEAKER_01]: he missed a whole season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's pretty impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What he's done, it's just lights out, like, let's see here, is majorly career Capronine is 14 and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His career ERA is 2.82 and all his peripherals are even below that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's only 32, like for a three-year deal, it's going to be, it's going to be lights out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, this is not good for the Tanner Scots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not good for Roki Sasaki owners who thought that maybe he might be the closer, but maybe it's good that he's going to move back to the rotation, but you know, the rich keep getting richer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder what it feels like to be a Metz fan,

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[SPEAKER_01]: who are probably two of your favorite players if you're a Met's fan, other than like Lindor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he losing kind of the heart and to end and soul of the club, I wonder how it feels right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you know, they got some good players still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that organization's going to be okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Dylan, we just ran through some of the news and notes we're going to take a quick break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We come back on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about these very loaded short stop rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Dylan, you ready?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and we are back, Dylan, short stop rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: top 60 overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the deepest positions in fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Think especially because you have sort of like this, this feeder system to a variety of other positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mostly throughout the infields sometimes in the outfield as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But most of your very, very, very talented tooled up prospects come into the game as short stops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the move to third base, the move to second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to move all the way down the spectrum like a rock, Mount Castle, the first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Born to the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a very loaded group, very talented group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super talented at the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with number one, Bobby Witt Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, this guy stands alone in his own tier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the elite players in fancy, potential number one overall type of pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts in terms of Bobby with Junior versus some of the other top names the game and how does he lay out if you know you're starting a dynasty team today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have him third, and I could see him maybe even being number one, I had a botani depending how, you know, your roster situation is because maybe you don't get the the flacks of botani a picture, or you don't want to clog up your utility spot, but I mean, Bobby Witt is elite material, power, speed, batting average, even OPP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the fastest

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[SPEAKER_01]: his floor and his fantasy floor is so high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in his mid 20s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like he's just going to lock down your position in your roster and the royals for for you know five to ten years comfortably kind of that superstar status.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean he's been taken in redraft in like the top three spots like Otoni judge which I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was it number two for a while?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I judge his past him now, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably more a testament to the rest of the shortstop class in the 2026 that a comment on on wit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think, you know, he is the best combination of power, speed, counting stats, hitting ability, you know, sort of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's him and Otani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's shortstop eligible, metal infield eligible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's a little bit more versatile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand in many of your league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're able to use Otani as a picture, whether you're able to use him as a hitter in a picture on the same day as a whole other conversation or off the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't so that takes away a little bit of the first utility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that conversation 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, number two and number three, I think are kind of their own tier that be level will say are a minus level in terms of dynasty players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does Ellie Daylock Cruz, who I have, you can see is glove right behind my head and Gunnar Henderson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, two very young players that have had success in the major league level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Gunnar has been a little bit more, I'll say consistent from game to game at bat to it bat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The upside with Ellie, though, is as high as anybody, maybe even as high as Bobby with Jr. if it all sort of clicks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are some real hit tool concerns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for you, why Ellie Dayla Cruz over Gunnar Henderson?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably prefer Gunnar as a,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a player I'd want to build around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Ellie, because he's still 67 bases and I last year with the year before, like that's huge in fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it has the huge upside in fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, about the hit tool concerns, you know, you had a 31% strikeout rate in that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still 67 last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He cut that down to 26%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's WRC pluses are kind of like 110 to 120.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's not that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: room to go down before you're an average hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an average hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Gunner, his majorly career averages, 132.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, 120 last year in a kind of a down year, but he had 154 the year before in his age 23 season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got eight more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got huge upside too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like from a real life point of view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't have the like 75 stolen base potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we have

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number two, number three, obviously, sure sucks, but like six and seven in the overall ranking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like pick the guy you want to build around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the arguments for both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a good question because I could lean either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I actually have Ellie on more of my dynasty teams that I do Gunnar or it might even be even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these are two guys that I definitely seek out as my shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we haven't seen the best of either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a potential 40 home run, like 15 to 20 steel season in Gunnar Henderson's bat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a chance for like a 40, 50 season with Ellie, especially in that ballpark,

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[SPEAKER_00]: improves incrementally over the next couple of years or takes a big jump going to 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a little more contact, a little more play to approach from either side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, him making more contact is just naturally going to lead to more home runs and a lot more exciting plays because of all the things that he can do in a baseball field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But till we're going to ask a great question now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How good is Prospect Connor Griffin?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have him ranked number four overall amongst these 60 short stops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our number one Prospect in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody I've seen play multiple times throughout the season kind of at the very beginning in spring training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the very end with his last games, when he was eliminated without tuna in the double eight Easter week playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of has it all doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are in a lot of prospects that come along that you cover, that you can kind of look at a player and say, him being in all star a few times, would almost be a discipline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's a lot of lofty expectations to put in a team major, somebody who's going to be 20 years old in next season, but I think when you watch Connor Griffin play, just the maturity in terms of the game, the maturity from in the consistency from it that to it bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the contactability, kind of the understanding of the strikestone and discerning I, and just, you know, the natural feel for hitting of just knowing when to be aggressive, what types of bitches be aggressive on, and the type of stuff to lay off of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's big and strong and projectable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably even more strength coming into that big frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's super athletic and twitchy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The exit velocity data is tremendous, the underlying

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plates skilled data is very, very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good batch of all skills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't have an outrageous chase rate or anything along those lines, but I would say is aggressive enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not overly passive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody that doesn't let an opportunity to put something into the outfields and to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really versatile defender, of course, is a double plus runner and some of the stole 50 bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in his professional debut, I mean, this guy put up historic numbers his first time playing professional baseball and I think there's even more swing tweaks that could unlock more power and more consistent backspin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a finished product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is exciting as any of these guys we're talking about Bobby with Jr. You know, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the cunias, the titesis, those kind of guys, I think within a year or two, we could be talking about him in the same breath and could be going within the first round, early second round in redrafts in a year or two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of player that I think we're talking about here with Connor Griffin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you agree or disagree with my high probably there, but I don't think it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think this is, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since I've been here, our number one prospects had been, no, it was kind of a trio year with Adley, Julio and Bobby Witt Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those guys were all number one caliber prospects and we said it at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunner Henderson and Corbin Carroll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman Anthony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, other guys that have kind of been never ones at certain point James would was one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all pretty big young stars in the game of Jackson Cheerio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All guys that got big contracts and have performed at the major league level very, very young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he might be as good if not better than all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least as a prospect and it's first year, if he ends up with a similar type of trajectory to Bobby Witt Jr, I think he'd be pretty satisfied with that, just in terms of how great Bobby Witt is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's what the ceiling is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ceiling is here that this guy could unseat Bobby Witt Jr in a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think you've said it all, he is next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, the crew's next Bobby went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The question is, where is he going to be the full-time player for the, for the pirates?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was talk that you know, maybe they'd extend them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to compete for the role on the starting role, but you know, they may kind of slow play them to I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just to talk about how he's going in redrafts of Bobby Witt and like I said, it's kind of going, you know, in the top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously that's where Connor Griffin can go if if he actualizes all the hype that we're talking about he's been going in like the 19th 20th round and redraft Brian slack and I who I co-managed his DCs with we had the men on him at like 14.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Four, like the 14th round in the strap that I've been right now, we went in the 12th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's creeping up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob Silver was on James Edison's podcast and was basically waxing poetic about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to see him creep up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the 12th round is like where Dan's B. Swanson's going as the Albee's brand and wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so like these are producers in fantasy and, um, you're betting on the upside, uh, a kind of Griffin can bring with the possible downside that he's not even up until, say, August.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't think that's likely, but, you know, there is that possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or he comes up and he struggles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, I think that's a testament to, you know, his, his potential,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so athletic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a huge career ahead of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a fun one in our rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give us a little bit of credit here, doing going into last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We took some flack for how high we rank Zack NATO in our overall top 500 and in our shortstop rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was inside the top 50 overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That proved to be a pretty smart move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to step further this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nino over Lendor, man, are you crazy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Explain yourself to the people out there, the really meds fans that, you know, your heart was bleeding for before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you're stabbing on the back, you know, over Lendor, should we make a trade here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, Steve, get something in the phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that just is, you're getting 25, 25 production as kind of a median floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lindor has average like 30, 30 last three years, so obviously he's been producing and producing for such a lot of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got the track for a cracker, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The difference is the age agneto is heading into his age 25 season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and ascending into his bribe when door is in his 30s doing say 25 25 just for the sake of argument and he's heading into his age 32 season so he's going to decline so it's kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: crossing over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lendor is probably better this year than NETO and maybe even next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, in a Dynastee League, it's three-year window, five-year window, it's a Dynastee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I leaned age there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could easily say Lendor being the pick you want, but, you know, I'm a NETO guy, so I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you stumping for your guy with Zack Nitto, you know, I think it makes it a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an interesting ranking as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have CJ Abrams at seven that we have JJ weatherhole to head of Trade Turner, Moohi Bats and Cory Seeger, some luminaries at the position Are those guys finally sort of beginning to fade?

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[SPEAKER_00]: and are any of those guys' fades for you in Dynasty The Shield Delage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, I think I have mookie as my fade, uh, he just hasn't been good the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is purely an age and fantasy thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: CJ Abrams is, you know, 25 years old goes like 20 30, um, like I said with Neto, he's like ascending in his prime, his age curves are kind of heading up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you're going to get this theoretically for, you know, a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Triturner is in his thirties, some of you bats is in his thirties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cory Seeger is thirties and doesn't give you speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives you everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like if you're competing now you'll probably want the turners and the bats is and the Seeger's if you're starting doing a startup you probably want weatherhold or CJ Abrams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of again that thing where the the aging curves are crossing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not the fun part of Dynasty trying to figure out when to get out from the veterans or when you, you can maybe pluck a veteran who still has a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Tray Turner and Mookie Bester are still going to be productive guys for three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No question, but there may be, Dynasty managers who have them and are scared that, you know, Tray Turner, you're 32, he's not going to steal the bases that he stole, but I mean, he still has spring speed near the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You maybe you can exploit these managers by having them be scared of the cliff coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, they're all, I like all of these guys, and it's kind of just how you want to build your roster and do you want the WRC Plus, I like to build around WRC Plus, OPS, WRC Plus, well, well, all that stuff, like the main, like hitting stat is highly correlated to the counting stats, highly correlated to fantasy value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like having a Cory Seeger is very good, although it's only four categories instead of five categories and typical five by five, it's still like you've got a huge base, that's really great, like the flag where it was great base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Miguel Cabrera used to be like that great base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just how you want to build your roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want the speed, you have the CJ rooms, straight turner, if you want just all around the fantasy value, you're movie bats, Corey Seedier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, I talked around in circles there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like them all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of an age versus versus, you know, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think that makes sense 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's wrap up the show

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[SPEAKER_00]: in 2025 or 2024 here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2025, Dylan, do you think that he can repeat his performance?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it possible?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think you'll get close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's just going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: His WRC plus his majorly career average was like 138 last year he had 720 plate appearances like just that plate appearance number is going to come down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a makeup guy, the Diamondbacks really like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They signed him to an extension.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hits near the top of the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was seven more last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get the playing time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to hit the top of the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to get benched or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he went 20, 27 last year, 20, home runs 27 stolen bases with those triple slash Ostox game out, 300, 400 basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So projections have them coming down to like 15 23.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, you know, I might take the over on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 15 home runs is right, but I think he'll steal more bases, but if you are batting average on base percentage, like this is a guy to take he's going in the sixth round in, in, in done, uh, don't see in or in redraft right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that's that's a good value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking them there and six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of building, I'm missing out on the wits and the delacruses and the Henderson's in DC's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, and I'm taking the Prado-Mose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives you the average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives you the stolen bases, but gives you an opportunity to take the school bowls or have lads up front.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then settling for Prado-Mose in the sixth is not that much of a downgrade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's great value in DC's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be very good in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's 25 years old, so he's great in dynasty too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's right up there in the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ask you another question here, actually we'll wrap it up on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a sleeper, Dylan, that you're going to be targeting in leagues in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sleeper, who did I write?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's my route.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to, you see, he'll tow bar as my sleeper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, in his age 22, in his age 22 season, I mentioned this in the Blair, he hit 26 homerods with a 270 batting average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at age 22, while playing like excellent shortstop defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So because he plays in chorus, the babb, it's gonna be high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that batting average is always gonna be doing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he continues playing good shortstop, he's gonna have a high floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a bit of a down year last year, but that was when he was 23.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like he's got a huge upside still ahead of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the rockies as an organization, and this is just me talking, is kind of on the upswing, I think they, you know, they're making some interesting hires in their front office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think that tow bar is being slept on right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going in like the 17th round, which is way too low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think for value in 2026, he is good value and then for Donasley League, because he's going to be in his age 24 season, playing for the Rockies, playing short stuff for the Rockies, hitting at the top of the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is excellent too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the greatest in OBP leagues, but he should have a 270 year spouting average for a while now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that one a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, it could be pretty valuable and a good suggestion, you know, I can't hate on that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go out there and I'm going to throw out Cole to Emerson, all right, little little little less risky even he doesn't get up to the big leagues this year to late, little less risky than tow bar of course, I think he really turned a corner last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The price is relatively high, but maybe the market hasn't fully caught up to what he can be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seattle isn't the greatest landing spot for hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is some of that, like you, you, you have to realize that, um, the overall slash lines probably going to get paper down a little bit just because of the park.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the same guys haven't been successful ever for he does have a really good balance of plate skills approach power and all started to show up last year wrote about a little bit more from June first on there's a swing change it took place in late May 306 404 508 he did reach triple A by the end of the season one of their top players in a guy that I think if he's hitting in the PCL for the first two months of the year first month and a half and any part of the Seattle offense particularly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the infield is struggling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a real chance that Colt Emerson does get called up and, you know, is productive and hitting in the middle that line up hitting for average, getting on base hitting for some power, giving you some counting stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could be really, really exciting one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think right now is probably a time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to trade for Emerson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, he's a top prospect, a little bit different from an balanced back, like a tow bar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that, you know, I don't think the market is fully necessarily adjusted yet to what he can be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Dylan, that's our show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any other thoughts on this very, very big sports top group of top 60 short stops?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think the cold Emerson just wasn't final button on the cold Emerson talk is that he is a year younger than Kevin McGonagall and his inzone contact is was better last year 87% versus 86% and his 90% by the likes of the last days basically the same 105 for cold Emerson 105.3 for McGonagall and so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, JJ put out that article about how McGonagall is like in the top of multiple categories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ever since right there, too, he he tastes a bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't barrel as much, but it's it's only like a few percentage points difference and he's a year younger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying the market hasn't caught up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're you're right on there, because you know, he was he came into the season with a whole bunch of us cold Emerson did and he had a bit of a

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of a down year from the expectations, you know, some people were having him in like the top 10, top 20 prospects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that, you know, the market is kind of cooled on him and I think maybe just like he said, it's a, uh, that's a mistake by the market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, final thoughts on the short stops, uh, very, very deep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just said tow bars a sleeper and we have him like ranked 31.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that just kind of a test evidence to how deep the, uh, the short stop, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool is a guy who had 26 homeruns hit 270 as a 22 year old playing, you know, 99% of defense is right 30 in a dynasty startup and he plays in course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just a testament to how the short stops are mad at he wrote an article about like outside his view to, you know, winning dynasty leagues and he says, like focus on short stops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You touched on it beginning this this podcast short stops have a long runway defensively, they get moved around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're starting at the top of the spectrum and so like that just extends the career because they can move to second They can move to to center field and move to third base So yeah, you could you could do you can do a lot worse than starting with a bunch of short stops and your done as you start up I think you are correct and I think that's a good note to end this short stop podcast on this has been the baseball America of any podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing thanks for listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We back next week