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Speaker: [00:00:00] Hello everyone, and

Speaker 2: welcome.

Speaker: You didn't even give me a chance this time. I thought you were saying hello. Hello to you.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Are we friends? We're real life friends now. We're not just internet friends. We met once. We met one time and now we're like real life friends. That's how it works. All right,

Speaker: why don't you, you go ahead.

Lead us in.

Speaker 3: What's up? Hey, cool. Cats and kittens. Welcome to the radio podcast, hour of Mr. Pick, me and the Man Hitter. My name is Checo on the Once and Dos. Better known to hymns hers, and these as Mr. Pick

Speaker 4: me on the show with me right now is my partner in crime, Reagan.

Speaker: Hi, it's me, Reagan, AKA, the man hater.

Even though I don't hate men. I was very tickled by the politically correct radio dj.[00:01:00]

Don't get enough of that. Let me tell you's

Speaker 3: I don't, I'll cool cats and kittens was pushing it, so I had to make sure to, uh, like, because there's no, there's no gender there, but you know.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Um, I had to make sure to bring it, bring it back around and show that I am aware You're a cool dj that I I get it.

I'm, I'm, I'm with it. Your hip. Yep. Can I, on the radio, uh, I like a proud parent moment. Uh, was, so my, my daughter found a babysitter's club on, uh, I think Netflix. I think it is, it is where they have a show, uh, they have a show. Oh. And they, they talk about like, uh, trans rights. Mm-hmm. They talk about all sorts of, but they have a whole specific, uh, episode.

And I was just listening in the background doing something. I was, oh, babysit club. That's great. That's fine. I just approved it without, normally I like to Great. Like series. Yeah. And so, uh, but there was, and, and my favorite thing about it was that she watched the entire episode and had zero questions because it wasn't, [00:02:00] that was like, she's been exposed to so much that like, it's, it was not like.

Dad, what is this? It was just like, oh

Speaker 5: my God. Yeah.

Speaker 3: I was like, and that's what happens when you, and it's the, the little thing, we've, I've never had a straight up conversation, necessarily a full, like we've tried to break down gender to her, but we have books in our home that has representation of people.

Right. And we have friends in our life. Right. And so, anyways, I was, it was pr I was proud of the fact that she had zero questions or thoughts about it, and that it was just any episode for her, and that's how this get should be. They

Speaker: always, they act like it's gonna be like earth shattering, like, oh my, my God,

Speaker 3: how do I have this conversation with my child?

It's like, well, the problem is you're not having any conversations with your children up to this point. Hey, Carl. Carl. And then you had to wait. Hey, Carl,

Speaker: when's the last time you've spoken to your child? Right. Besides yelling at them, it's like,

Speaker 3: like, come on, shut up dad. Like you ever talk to your child about anything?

Ever.

Speaker: Right? Right.

Speaker 3: When's the last time you sat down with played a board game with your child? [00:03:00]

Speaker: What's the name of your child's doctor real quick? Carl? No. All right. Nothing. Thanks. Teacher

Speaker 3: can, how about one of their teachers? Any of their teachers for the past since school? Name of their school. Name of their school.

What time does school start? What? Do you have

Speaker: her middle name?

Speaker 3: What did they eat for breakfast? Any day this week.

Speaker: Give me two allergies. I'll give you $2. That's

Speaker 3: it. Come on. Gimme something. Carl.

Speaker: Oh, Carl, this is why you're gonna go no contact in.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. 10

Speaker: years. Oh it Well, no. It's going to be thrust upon you, not your choice.

It's gonna be thrust upon, not your choice. No.

Speaker 3: No point. Where is this coming from? This fad of no contact.

Speaker: Uh, then you're gonna have a, a TikTok run by Carl where he tells everyone about his kids that left him for no reason, for no

Speaker 3: reason

Speaker: straight. Did you see Spirit?

Speaker 3: You see that the, uh, Oprah has like a new show.

I think,

Speaker: uh, uh, it's kind of inter, [00:04:00] so Oprah put out a podcast. Mill Robbins is now doing something with it, like mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: It's

Speaker: just interesting that at the time where economically people might have to be giving up their homes to their parents. Mm-hmm. And there's also legislation where the financial burden may fall upon people.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like their parents' financial burdens fall upon the children. Isn't it interesting that at that same time, all of a sudden everybody's anti no contact. Right.

Speaker 3: I also think it's funny, they're like this new fad, this new TikTok trend of going and I'm like, I no contact. I wrote in the content, like the comments, I was like, I, I was like, you guys know this is not new.

Right. I was like, I went no contact with my father 25 years ago. It wasn't because I saw it on TikTok. Hey,

Speaker: I liked no contact before. It was cool. I liked it. It was '

Speaker 3: cause I Googled it. What do you do when you have an abusive parent and you're old enough to not have to rely on them for anything anymore?

Have you tried no contact?

Speaker: [00:05:00] Yeah. You know, as long as there's been trauma, there's been Yeah.

Speaker 3: And it's not like I didn't no contact. I wanna be clear. I am not claiming that I invented no contact.

Speaker: Do y'all know Chi's go

Speaker 3: invented no contact? You know, I was the first one. I was the very first one to ever go no contact.

Speaker: Uh, how about back in the day when people would just like move continents to be know

Speaker 3: I, those, those days it was probably fairly simple to do it before you just move out of town and just walk away. They don't have your new number. It's like, alright, send me a letter,

Speaker: bitch. Yep. Send me a pigeon

Speaker 3: it, a walk around town yelling your name.

Speaker: I know, because if you didn't have their address.

Speaker 3: No, just.

Speaker: Just like, oh, Debbie's dead now. She left. We can't find her.

Speaker 3: I have, it's funny, I think about like the fact that I have friends that I lost complete contact with pre-social media solely because social media didn't exist. It was like, I have one friend that refuses to, I mention her Inre show, the me friend that I don't talk to.

I was like, well, I haven't talked. I should give her a call. I haven't talked to her like one of my [00:06:00] best friends in the world, Uhhuh. But she just does not do anything. Not even Facebook, nothing social media wise. And so if they're not on there, I just kind of forget people exist. That's the ADHD thing. I know too.

I'm like, oh, forgot about them outta to set

Speaker: outta mind. Mm-hmm. Yep. But you'll pick right back up where you left off. Mm-hmm. I am so pro no contact with people who treat you poorly. I'm all about it.

Speaker 3: No. Yeah. I don't see any reason to. Yeah. I, I think people make it into a much bigger deal, and I think it's, there's a lot of religious undertones to why people are upset about people going no content.

Oh, yeah. Makes sense that you're so, no, that's, that is your blood. That is your, you're supposed to respect your mother and father. Even if they abuse you for your entire life, you forgive them. Did you try take that Jesus not being abused? Did you try that even, what part did you play? What did you, did you were, were you asking for the abuse?

Oh, no, Jessica.

Speaker: No, no, no. [00:07:00] I know we're joking. It's so bad. I know. That's bad. I, I, you know what? I, I do think that's very hilarious that they're asking, acting like it's this new hip thing to do. Yeah, I know. Have you heard of No Contest This

Speaker 4: brought to you by TikTok

Speaker 3: is like as if, as if somehow that was never, nobody had ever even considered going no contact before social media.

Speaker: And also a lot of times the parents are no contact until they want contact. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? They're not like, actively involved. They're like, oh, looks like I need a picture for my Facebook. Mm-hmm. To show everybody, my cute grandkids, I'm coming over. Like, no. And

Speaker 3: a lot of times it'll be like, 'cause there's, they'll be, well, you know, parents can go, not go no contact too.

Why do you, why are we so demonized for it? And I'm like,

Speaker: well, well, you brought them here.

Speaker 3: Yeah. There is. There's. You did play a role in getting them to the point where you don't want to be around 'em anymore.

Speaker: Remember when you decided to bring them on this earth that [00:08:00] that's on you a little bit because

Speaker 3: they, they don't want to take any responsibility also for what they did throughout the, that child's life to get them to the point where, man, this person's a real shithead.

Not my, not my bad, not my fault. I told you

Speaker: there was a, we we'll get on track at some point. Yeah. Um, there was a spiritual back in the day when I was try. Mm-hmm. I thought the spiritual people were like really loving and accepting of everyone. Mm-hmm. Wrong. But there was a woman who was in that circle, and I overheard her saying that it, her soul contract mm-hmm.

As she said, was merely to bring the kids into the world. And that that was it. Mm-hmm. She had no other, uh, uh, just because the universe has told her, which is just her own mind in my opinion.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: That all she had to do was bring the kids in the world and she has no responsibility to them to feed them, take care of them, make sure they're okay.

All that's out the window, because she said so. Yeah. So that's an, that's a fun one.

Speaker 3: I'm sure there are ex exceptions to this where Yeah, [00:09:00] like, you did it, you did a good, what you could, or some sort of shit happened that turned the child Sure. Into a horrific person. Um, whatever it is like there, you know, there could be any, any number of reasons why you could have a legitimate claim to, to doing it.

But it's like 99% of the time when you hear it and then you hear them talking about mm-hmm. What they were doing, it's like, well, okay, I don't think you're as innocent in this as I, as I think you are to the 1% hearing this, that getting upset. I'm sure you're the exception.

Speaker: I doubt those people listen to this podcast.

If probably not, if we're being honest.

Speaker 3: Probably not.

Speaker: We love accountability and that's, we do not the vibe.

Speaker 3: No.

Speaker: I have seen some of those estranged parents videos and it is very, like, there is a whole community of them.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Uh, there's like doormat mom, have you ever heard of Doormat mom? No. Yeah, she's she's leading the charge.

Yeah.

Speaker 3: Ugh. But it is like a lot of these videos, I'm like, [00:10:00] okay, I see what I, I know, I, I know

Speaker: there's so many that immediately go and that, that's why we're not talking.

Speaker 3: Did you see, I'm sorry, this is another, this is another one I've long pre-show, uh, or or long tease show start of the show show. We're this, I mean, this is not a pre-show, but this is the show before the, this is us talking before the show.

Um, did you see the one mom that tried to say it's not toxic to want to go on vacation with your son without his wife? Ever seen. I

Speaker: did see that. I almost made a video about it. Yes, I made it. Yeah. I almost, I

Speaker 3: saved it to make a video on her. I was like,

Speaker: did, she was like, it's not toxic. It's not to just wanna bring your kids and not invite their wives or husbands, you know?

Not saying it's definitely my son.

Speaker 3: Yeah. It was definitely, I was like, oh, because I don't think she did say wives, but it was like immediately I was like, I bet you she has sons.

Speaker: I bet this woman has three sons.

Speaker 3: A boy mom, uh mm-hmm. That is, is [00:11:00] very jealous of, uh, the, these women that have come into their lives.

I was like, I, it's, it's so absurd to, and we don't need, that could be a whole episode, but that pissed me off so much 'cause mm-hmm. That that's your It's weird. It was weird. And then she, and then it was, she's gonna be the one, but I don't know why they don't visit me anymore, even though I treat my daughter-in-law like

Speaker: shit.

Speaker 3: Because I hate her. I mean,

Speaker: she, she doubled and tripled down on the thought, but yeah. Uh,

Speaker 3: unrelated, uh, or semi-related I, not to parenting, but I think it's too, uh, to not taking accountability is that there's something here. Oh. So there was a thread and I think, uh, that I think is really funny. And it was, ladies, what's something men think is attractive but actually gives you the ick instantly.

Speaker 4: Oh God. Theme song You want Bad advice, man. I'll give it out. Glad I got some good advice for you. You don't, [00:12:00] I know you don't. I got some good advice for you. No, you don't. No you

Speaker 3: don't. Should I wear this for the rest of the show? Hello? I am being,

Speaker 5: looks like you're wearing just part of underwear on your face.

It

Speaker 3: does. I, I just, I didn't, until I did that, I was like. Is this weird that I have underwear on my face? This is a plastic part of a mask that I'm making that, uh, it's a Deadpool mask that I'm building.

Speaker: I'm probably gonna cut that out because it's fishable is, this is something,

Speaker 3: this is something that's cool.

Making Deadpool masks is something that's really cool that I'm sure all women think is attractive, right?

Speaker: Oh, so 3D printing,

Speaker 3: 3D printing masks for cosplay,

Speaker: but only just the piece that looks like,

Speaker 3: the part that looks like that. I'm wearing a crotch.

I only figured out vi visual humor. This is, this is our, [00:13:00] our weekly visual humor. I figured out how to print it and I made it slightly bigger. I, I had to download a program for it, but it didn't make it quite big enough, so I don't think it's actually gonna fit me correctly when it's all said and done. So I think it's gonna, oh, scratch myself.

I'm gonna have to give it to, uh. To somebody. Maybe, maybe one of our followers will win a Deadpool mask. Do you want a bulge mask from Jet Go? You wanna bulge, you want, you want this, uh, this bulge face mask?

Speaker: You know what, let's talk about non-visual things, shall we? Sure.

Speaker 3: Uh, so there, there's a bunch of 'em on here.

I'll, I'll read some of the, the, the most liked ones.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker 3: Uh, so, uh, saying they're not political, like they think that means they're a chill guy. No, bro, if you're a voting age, you should be caring about politics.

Speaker: That's so good. And it's also almost always a sign that they're conservative.

Speaker 3: It's 90. I think that goes for any honesty.

That's a genderless, uh, yeah. Phrase there too. Anytime someone says, I'm not, I'm just not [00:14:00] into into politics. Do

Speaker: you know what else it is? It's if you get into like a tricky conversation where someone's gonna have to be accountable or like, think about how they're. Party is doing something maybe iffy.

That's the first thing they'll say is be like, oh, I don't really, I don't really follow politics. I don't really like, like that. Uh, that's a privilege to not have to. Mm-hmm. Like, most people have to follow it to make sure they still have a rights.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Have you ever met someone? 'cause it's the reason they're almost, I would say they're always conservative when that happens.

'cause I don't think I've ever met someone who was like, you know, I'm not really into politics. And then you catch them like being a socialist.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 3: They're like really into

Speaker 4: Yeah. Like,

Speaker 3: uh, donating to like, uh, maternal healthcare mm-hmm. And other feeding the poor. Right. Like, it's not, there's, that's a, it's almost always

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: If not 100% of the time because they know their views are shitty. Mm-hmm. And if they actually say them out [00:15:00] loud, they're like, well, but I like the people that dis that I don't care about,

Speaker: but I want to get laid.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I'd like to have. Sex. So I'm just not, you know, I just don't understand why I have to make politics such a big deal.

I'm just, you know, middle class white guy. I don't understand. Like, it doesn't play a role with my life. Doesn't affect me. Yeah. I'm a I'm a middle class white guy in California. Who cares? There's not really, I, I just can't see it have playing a role in my life. Yeah. Uh, but then I think that's, that's definitely, um, I think a lot of guys think they're pulling a fast one on their Tinder profiles.

Speaker: That's exactly it. That's what they'll put. What, like, if you have to put whatever your affiliation is, they'll put not, not political.

Speaker 3: You would think they'll, they always, the thing that I think is funny about conservatism being such a repellent to, like women nowadays, that's such a common theme is that they, they, but they're still drawn to it thinking that no women don't know what [00:16:00] they're talk, they, they'll get over it, they'll stop and like then that, why do you have this growing?

Uh, gap, like, I think, um, what's her name? Tilly. I've mentioned her before on this podcast, but she, she, uh, debated Charlie Kirk back in, like in the, in uk, uh, Cambridge way back was, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. But she made a, a post about the fact that young women are often dating older men because they're not red pilled.

Right. And they're not in, they're not su they're, it's, it's less, not saying they're less conservative, but it's less like in your face about Right. All those kind of things. And men are like, no, women don't know what they're talking about. They, they love this stuff as, as the women their age are completely avoiding them.

Like the plague number two, holding up a dead animal trophy.

Oh man. That is, uh, that is rough. That is, I, I don't understand the, uh. Hunting in general. Uh, and this is, I'm a kid. This is me being a full-on city kid. I get that. I [00:17:00] don't, I don't wanna judge necessarily fully, but I don't get it.

Speaker: I don't understand like why you think a woman would be like attracted to that, I guess.

Mm-hmm. There are some women who also enjoy that activity who maybe would appreciate if you got a big buck or whatever. Mm-hmm. A mal or a mallard, whatever. But I think unless you enjoy the sport of hunting, like why would you be thrilled to see someone holding a corpse? I don't know. And you know that he probably has a gun.

Speaker 3: Yeah. That's probably.

Speaker: He probably has several guns. Mm-hmm. I don't know. A hunter that doesn't have multiple guns.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Just a thought that's, I would, yeah. I've never, I, I don't, it's not my favorite wall dressing either. No. I, like, I, that's my,

Speaker 3: it it really bugs my wife. If we go anywhere where she sees like a head, like a, even a rest, like something, it really gets under her Skimm where she's just like, Nope.

[00:18:00] Can we go? I wanna, I, I don't wanna be here. I don't wanna eat here.

Speaker: I'm not anti, I don't wanna, how, I don't, not trying to be judgmental, but it's not the most appealing thought to me that someone enjoys killing something.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: That's all. And

Speaker 3: I, I, I wanna know, at least, at the very least, 'cause I'm, God knows, I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, so I, I'd be really judgmental if I'm like,

Speaker 5: yeah.

Speaker 3: Like, no, but I wanna know that you're killing it to like, eat it, I guess. Like to, if you're gonna actually. Do the, you know what I mean? Like, like yeah. I think, I think trophy hunting is complete and utter asinine bull. I will talk shit about that. Like people that go just kill just for the sake of killing, murdering an animal.

Like that's, fuck you. I, I don't, I don't think that I'm, I am comfortable with you not liking me for if I say it Yeah. If I'm offending you for that. 'cause I think that's bullshit if you're doing it. I think there's a gray area there. Some people might be mad at me for even saying there's a gray area.

Mm-hmm. Um, but like, if, if, you know, like, if, if you're, if you're hunting to feed your family, it is what it is. But, uh, [00:19:00] that's, I don't think that's gonna get you, uh, laid though.

Speaker: Yeah. I don't think specs appeal is, is up there that

Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's the, uh, the guy holding a fish on their, always, their pro ball tube.

Speaker: Always.

Speaker 3: Have you heard the theory behind why that so many men have, uh, pictures of them holding fish? It's 'cause it's the only time someone takes pictures of them. It's kind of sad. Like it feels Oh my God.

Speaker 5: Yeah. It's '

Speaker 3: cause they're, nobody takes like, it's, they're not taking pictures of themselves 'cause it's, which is part of this whole, 'cause it's not masculine to, it's

Speaker: only socially acceptable only to get a photo.

It's only acceptable photo of them when they're only, that's the only photos they

Speaker 3: have are from when they caught a big fish. Or frankly that's a deep

Speaker: cut. That's like, isn't it?

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: That's eyeopening. 'cause I've always wondered like, do they think women are into that? But now that you've said that mm-hmm.

If you never get your picture taken

Speaker 3: Right. When would you have one the time to have it? When do you feel with it? Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's funny. Holding a fish with buddies. I think fishing [00:20:00] could be fun. I dunno. Oh

Speaker: yeah. My, I grew up around fishing. In fishing. Yeah.

Speaker 3: I would like to, I don't, once again, this is like inner, like growing up like central city.

Uh, and without like, uh, you know, with, with a mom that was working 80 hours a week and no dad. Mm-hmm. I didn't, when was I gonna do any of this stuff growing up? So I see people do that stuff. I'm like, I feel like fishing could be fun.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker 3: But yeah,

Speaker: I, I feel too, I'm like a big baby now. I feel bad for the fish.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: I feel bad for the worms.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: I need help. I'll tell you.

Speaker 3: But, but you're not a vegan either.

Speaker: No.

Speaker 3: Right. And so I'm

Speaker: a hypocrite. I guess

Speaker 3: that's why I always, I feel so hypocritical. 'cause I'm like, I, I try, I was a vegetarian at least for six months. 'cause I was dating, this was back when I was before my wife.

I was dating a ve a vegan.

Speaker: That'll, that's how it happens usually. And I

Speaker 3: was like, I can try. Because I, because I agreed nothing she, everything she said, I was like, yeah, how'd you percent fuck. Yeah. I can't disagree with you. That's everything you're saying. [00:21:00] Uh, and then while I was with her, I slowly, and she knew it.

I was like, I can't, I need, I can't do this. I can't do this. I'm so sad.

I think I was, I was pescatarian for a while there because apparently. Fish and chicken.

Speaker: Yep. I've done per, oh, I think it's fish. Fish or No, just

Speaker 3: fish. No, just fish. I moved fish. I think if you're adding chicken, you're just not it. O lac, lac. There's a term for it. Chicken, uh, or like eggs. Uh, because that's what I, it wasn't chicken.

I was eating eggs and fish. Uh, that's what I was, I was eating. I was eating it. You could have milk, cheese, fish, and like eggs was like a, there's a term for it. Someone's gonna be, I'm gonna look it up now. Terms gonna be screamy. Its lacto. Pescatarian or something like that. Yeah. Lac lacto, pescatarian. Yeah.

So you have eggs. There we go. We've learned something. Eggs, fish. All right. So I was doing that for a while. I do try to eat less red meat, like as little red meat as possible nowadays.

Speaker: I, I do too, actually. Mm-hmm. I try to eat.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what, what would [00:22:00] could probably push me over. I wanted to get a pet chicken, uh, and I think if I had a pet chicken, then that would, that would ruin chicken for me.

Speaker: I know people, there are a lot of people who raise chickens that are of the least care about chicken. I'm like, holy hell. But are

Speaker 3: they? But those are like normal human beings that, right. Like I feel like if I grew an emotional attachment to,

Speaker: that's the thing, if you get attached to it, like Mr. Cls,

Speaker 3: whatever, I name 'em, like that would be, there's no way I would've been scarred

Speaker: for life.

Yeah. There is is no doubt about it. If I grew up and loved something and then someone we're eating dinner, they're like, that's penny the chicken.

Speaker 3: What made me step really like cut down on red meat. I have, I should cut down more of it, but what we really cut down on it was like seeing how like cows are like, can be like dogs like that.

They're actually a hundred percent, they're super like, that's my favorite

Speaker: animal.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm like, oh.

Speaker: That's not talk. Go the next one. I know, I

Speaker 3: know, but I, sorry. No, no. You're gonna mess. It was a whole, [00:23:00] this is us, us being sad that we have no, we're sad if we're hypocrites. Willpower. Because every time I don't argue with my friends that are vegan because I'm like, no, you're right.

You're right. I'm, you're Everything from pollution to like animal treat welfare, health wise. Like there, I can't make a good argument about why I like a steak sometimes.

Speaker: I am going no contact with this conversation. Go to the next

Speaker 3: part. Okay. Okay. The ones that have the cars that make that stupid noise when they change gear,

Speaker: I don't get it.

I hate on me. I guess I do not understand when people have shitty cars.

Speaker 5: Um, love

Speaker: that are so loud. Yeah. I don't get it with motorcycles. Mm-hmm. At least like, motorcycles are aesthetically pleasing, looking sometimes. Mm-hmm. But like, when they're just like, these cars that just, and there's just like, and you're, I'm just like, for what?

And for what, sir? I hear you. I see you. It's like [00:24:00] the, um, south Park sketch was like, pay attention to me. Pay attention to me.

Speaker 3: The big truck is like, um, big penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. Penis. My big penis, penis,

Speaker 4: penis.

Speaker: It's guy. I mean, it, it's like, yeah. It's, it's one of the, like, least talked about needs for attention.

Mm-hmm. Because if, like anybody else did that, like, went out somewhere was like, look at me, look at me, look at me. I need attention. Mm-hmm. Like, you would obviously notice that, but so many men wanna make their cards so loud just to get, uh, people to turn and look at them. It's just bizarro.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I'm not about it.

I don't know. I, I think there's, there's a guy that posted on dreads this morning that he was like, 57 own two Corvettes and something else. I forgot what he said, but it was like, and it was just a picture of himself. Like, do you think that, I think he, I think he was like, look at ladies. You could have these Corvettes,

Speaker: you could sit in this car maybe, although maybe not.

[00:25:00] 'cause I'm probably weird about that. I wanna

Speaker 3: read exactly what I wrote. I know it, it's on here somewhere. Live in Texas, own a business and corporate chemical engineer. Own two C eight Corvettes 57. Also, you own a business and a corporate chemical engineer. You own a corporate. Anyways, what? And, uh, yeah, I don't know.

I think, I think this is the whole, uh, falling into the idea that, uh, women, women only care if you have money. Right? And so, well, you have tot Corvettes, right? Also,

Speaker: it's also like, you like that there are women, they're all, all gender slight cars, but like

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Speaker: A lot of the time it's pushed for men to like cars.

I,

Speaker 3: I should also be clear, it's, it's, yeah. When we're talking about these, I'm not trying to mock, uh. People that, like these hobbies that we're, that we're going into, it's the idea that men think that this is so impressive to women, to women to women specifically. Right. When And, and these are, I'm only choosing the ones that have like tens of thousands of likes.[00:26:00]

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: Uh, on them. 'cause it's not, uh, it, it is not usually the thing that's like, that was how I knew he was the one when I, he popped my eardrum when he rubbed his engine.

Speaker: That's the thing is that was

Speaker 3: the day

Speaker: we're talking about the loud ones. Like Right. The volume of the car has never been something I have had a woman say to me in a positive way.

Whew.

Speaker 3: It's gonna be the vapor from seeing that car go by that loud. Oh my

Speaker: God. I didn't, I heard it before I saw it. Yeah. And then it was not much to look at, but the sound.

Speaker 3: Or the, what I, there was this one. He, I, I hope he was a teenager. Maybe it was midlife crisis, but my old neighborhood, it was every, every, it wasn't every night, but you would hear him like, peel out and, and he would do it like once or twice a week.

They're like, ah, man, I hope you're okay. What does this, what He's your dealing with something, bud? It was never like, whoa, that guy is so cool. Like,

Speaker: what does he think? Does [00:27:00] he like, it had to be, does he drive away? And he's like, that was cool,

Speaker 3: man. Everyone's thinking, who's that cool guy? Waking up by napping children every day.

Oh,

Speaker: they've gotta do it for a reason. They're ha you like, what do they feel like, what do you feel when you do that? Nothing. They, they're

Speaker 3: trying to feel something as what it is. They don't feel anything. And this is them a break

Speaker: from how dead inside I feel. Oh,

Speaker 3: empty Their life is,

Speaker 5: oh man.

Speaker 3: Um, I used to do that when I, I remember being a teenager with, uh, it was all about stereos.

Like, especially in like the, uh, early two thousands late. I don't know if it still is, but I remember back then having that loud stereo in your car was a big deal. Cool. My older brother, my older brother had the cool, he bought these giant speakers that probably caused permanent hearing damage to, to him at some point.

'cause they were so loud. And I remember going, we, we'd be, whenever I was in somebody's car with it, he'd like, yeah ladies, you hear [00:28:00] that? You hear this? I can't hear you. I hear nothing anymore. I just hear. This, my ears are bleeding, but

Speaker: I went deaf two blocks ago.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. But so if you pull, if you like, flag us down to come over and talk to you, which is clearly what I'm imagining happening is that Yeah.

Someone's gonna be like, woo, come over here. Yeah.

Speaker: Let me, I can't hear you. Okay. I don't, no. Can you that, can you write, can you write your number? It's so self-centered in the sense of like. Instead of thinking about what women want mm-hmm. They just thrust what they want on women. Mm-hmm. And expect that it's the same.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Which I, I just don't think it's the case. Most, I have not experienced it. Like, I have never had a woman in all my days, and I do have straight friends

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Ever say. And, and friends that, like men, not straight.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: But like, I've never, I've never had them be like, damn, that car was so [00:29:00] loud. Do

Speaker 3: you hear that engine?

Speaker: Ooh, woo.

Speaker 3: Man, I would love to sit in that car, go to Arby's, uh,

Speaker: curly fries. It

Speaker 3: is, it is. And it's, it's fine. Like, if that's your, like, there, there's a difference between like, you can, like your thing, like your like, yes. That's great. If that's what you're into, but like, also don't like fucking wake up my kids with your car.

I'm just anno. I, there's a, that I'm talking about this one, something specifically

Speaker: to just clearly it really,

Speaker 3: really pissed me off because like we just put the kids down to bed. It'd be like 11 at night. I know that's not like late, late, but it's like, come on man. Get it. You have such a huge dick, dude. I'm so, so impressed.

Wow. So big, big pee pee energy. Thanks for that man. Now I have to spend the next hour getting my daughter to fall back asleep. You asshole.

Speaker: Yeah, we have some, there's a family here where the dad really enjoys little vehicles. Mm-hmm. And then the [00:30:00] kids also now enjoy them. So there's like these motorbikes that go through the neighborhood and all these different little, like all these different vehicles.

I'm like, I don't even know what that one's called. That's a weird looking thing, but it's so loud and I'm just like. To what end? Yeah. What do you want? What is this? But yeah, I don't get it. But again, it's not, the issue is not that they enjoy it, it's the idea of thinking that is appealing to women. But

Speaker 3: that's gonna be the thing that that's the thing they're gonna like, yeah.

Like something to like, it also don't like it because you think this is gonna be what gets me women. Like, that's, that's when it's so clearly not something that's, that is, that's something that women put up with.

Speaker 2: A hundred percent. It's not something

Speaker 3: that put, they're like, well, he is a nice guy. I, he loves his car.

You know? I, I think, and I think it's beautiful. He has a hobby, you know? That's great. Yes. I, it's really loud, but,

Speaker: um, it's expensive too. It's a very expensive hobby.

Speaker 3: Yeah. All right. Next is, uh, [00:31:00] talking about getting into physical fights and beating people up.

Uh, yeah.

Speaker 5: That's so good.

Speaker 3: I think about that. 'cause I, I knew guys that were like, yeah, gonna fight. Like, like I know all the time. Like, I don't want to, I, maybe I shouldn't say it. There was usually smaller guys.

Speaker 5: Oh, a hundred percent. Like

Speaker 3: the, the, it's like, they're like the ones, least in my personal experience, anecdotal experience, the guys I've known that were like, the ones that got in lies were like the ones that felt they had something to prove.

They're like, these jacked five, six guys

Speaker: that were like, it's like, I need you to know that I can physically take other men, bigger men, even bigger than me. It's like, I don't, again, I don't like the violence. I don't, no. I like, I think, I think people wanna know that the person they're with will defend them.

Mm-hmm. And would like, but that's never the vibe of what these guys are saying. No, I think

Speaker 3: if it just feels like you'd, you'd be mean to me. Like not the [00:32:00] others. Yeah. You're putting your guys that also are like seeking out fights are not protecting you from danger. They're putting you actively in danger.

They're the ones starting shit. They're the ones starting always, look, I protected you, babe. That guy was just like, stop. He bumped into you, you asshole. Like, God, what? Now? He might, what if he

Speaker 4: had a gun? Brad,

Speaker: I'll take it with these guns. And then he, yeah. Um, I, I would, you know what I'll throw in that category is also the guys who like have to prove they're stronger than you.

Mm-hmm. There's been so many times that I dated guys that I would say I was strong and they would immediately wrestle me. Right. Like immediately to show that stronger. Like wrestl. Really? Yes. It's so common. That's weird. Do you not know this weird? No. Like wrestling or like showing their char or they're like, they're like, they're like, okay, well get out of this.

They're like, do this. Yeah. All the time. Also, I did get out of it a lot of the time for the record.

Speaker 3: I do. I didn't wonder, wonder that this might be a blind spot for me because I'm a check. No

Speaker: one's doing that to you, Jessica. You've been six foot since you were 12.

Speaker 3: You've seen, you've met, you've we're real life friends now.

Right? [00:33:00] You've met me in real life. There's no one's doing

Speaker: that

Speaker 5: to you.

Speaker 3: I, and that's what I'm saying. This might actually be a full on blind spot for me where I've just never had to, like, I don't, and that, that was when, when in college I'd be at places where people, where there'd be fights, I'd be drinking at bars and things like that.

And there were, there were definitely multiple times where someone got mad at me, but then they're like,

Speaker 5: nah,

Speaker 3: not worth it. Like it's, and it's not that I look tough. I definitely, you've seen me, I'm not like an intimidating, as far as like, I, I don't look like you,

Speaker: you look like you could do damage to someone though.

But I,

Speaker 3: I'm, yeah. I'm big enough. They're like, well, I'm no one's walking away from this not feeling someone's getting hurt.

Speaker: Yeah. From this, even if it's on accident.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: I've been in many verbal fights, but I have never even gotten close. I've been in a dance fight, which is stupid. Mm-hmm. I had a girl, we were in a dance hall, like an actual dance

Speaker 4: paddle.

Yeah. No, but a dumb one.

Speaker: But a dumb one. No, but this is great. Tell. It was in high school. It was in high school and it was me, which I danced, but I wasn't like, I [00:34:00] wasn't going to, I wasn't like a prima ballerina, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I wasn't like top tier, but I had my You had a dance off. Hold on, hold on.

I had a friend with me who was, she is one, was one of the best dancers. She was in the top school, like in our area, like she was incredible. So this one we're dancing and it was like a mixer. I'm like, why are we dance back? No. Also, everyone involved was white and I need you to know that. Was this when you

Speaker 3: got served, came out?

Was this right around the same?

Speaker: Uh, I don't know. I don't know what it was. It, I'm sure B two Ks playing in the background. No, God, probably Britney Spears, who knows. Yeah. Yeah. So I we're doing this dance. She walks up to me, I walk up thinking my friend is coming with me. Who is the dancer? If anyone should have walked up, it should have been her.

And I go up and she did, she dips. She goes back. I'm like, girl, please help. So I go up to, and the girl does this crazy dance thing, Uhhuh, and then she puts her hand up and she goes, slap, slap not, not hard, uhhuh, but she did hit me in the face and I just [00:35:00] stopped dancing and I was like. Did you just hit me?

It was uncalled for. I was like not into it. I was like, I've just been like, what the fuck? And then the whole time I was with this people, my guy friends, and then the whole time she was like staring me down across the mixer like she was gonna fight me. I'm like, first of all, neither of us are fighting.

Look at, we were probably at a private school dance would be my guess. Yeah. I don't remember what mixer it was. I'm like, neither of us is fighting either. Anybody. Certainly not you. You're smaller than me. And I was very small at the time. Let's not play games. Christina, or whatever the hell her name was

Speaker 3: existed.

I didn't know that was a real thing.

Speaker: Oh, people do mixers. Oh my God. Stupid shit. Stupid. But yeah, that was the closest I've gotten. And she did not hit me hard, but it was enough that I was like, I'm not do, I don't wanna be hit in the face like ew. But that's the closest I've come to find. The last

Speaker 3: time I got punched was, uh, in eighth grade.

Speaker: Oh.

Speaker 3: So it was like, there was, that's what I'm saying, this is a long time ago. And it was because I, so I like went up and like. [00:36:00] Jokingly pushed somebody and he, he took it as like a challenge. And he went in and he punched me in the face. And I was like, why'd you punch me? My reaction was not like,

Speaker: same. I was like,

Speaker 3: what

Speaker 4: did that for?

And he was like, are you? I was like, no. I was like, why are you, what the hell is your problem, man? I love that. You're like a

Speaker: challenge swing. That's crazy.

Speaker 3: My, um, it felt a little fun little trauma dumping here. Uh, my story, I found out from my mom that, uh, because my father, he had, uh, hands that were like, like claws.

Like, like, like, like so disheveled. Like he could barely even use them. Like it's severe, severe arthritis. And so I used to worry. That I, I was like, oh man, it must be hereditary. I'm probably gonna get that happen to me too. Right. I was like, so like for years and I talked to my doctor and she was like, what's something to be aware of will be, 'cause he was, uh, it's crazy to me to think about it.

He was [00:37:00] my age when, when he's younger than me at that point. Um, and I remember like thinking, oh my God, this is something. And I kept gonna, my doctor, or especially like in my late thirties, so I was like, you know, this is around the age. I remember when it was real bad for him, right? She was like, you're you, you don't really.

Anything. I remember I talked to my mom, she was like, oh, well he, he broke his hands like hundreds of times. And I was like, what do you mean? She was like, he, he, I don't, she told me and she, and she was, she thought about it for a long time. There was not a single date they went on that did not end with him fighting somebody like fist, like beating the shit outta somebody.

My dad was insane.

Speaker 2: Oh.

Speaker 3: And so as, and I remembered hearing like about my dad being a fighter, and I as a, as a kid, you're like, that's so tough and it makes sense now why? He was such a shitty, that's so tough. Human being, it was like crazy. Right? Like he, like he was

Speaker: beating people on the regular,

Speaker 3: my mom said he would like, I, I've had longer conversations about the, in the, like in the time since.

He would, they'd be out and other people would [00:38:00] be fighting or starting a fight and he would just jump in swinging. 'cause he was, he was loved fighting.

Speaker 5: I have never had that instinct in my life, ever. No. And it's so funny, I don't think it's

Speaker 3: weird, weird to me that that's my bloodline. Right. And, and I look like I am the smiting image of him.

Like, like face side. There's definitely, you really have the

Speaker: body for it too. If you would've just been

Speaker 3: a little angrier. He was a like a bulky guy. Like a big guy too. He was a little shorter than me, but still like, he was probably like, thank God you were not that way. He was the brown Berets, which was like, uh, yeah.

Yeah. He was, my dad was a guy.

Speaker: You would, you would be literally deadly, like with your size. Yeah. Holy shit.

Speaker 3: Luckily, I'm, I'm a very gentle giant and I don't have that aspect of my, uh,

Speaker: oh, my, well, so my, my dad's, my dad's probably went into fights, but he's not, he's not a fighter. But

Speaker 3: to the point where he, he, no, no, no.

Speaker: But uh, but then my dad's [00:39:00] dad was like a, he was a, what was he? Oh my god. A colonel something, Lieutenant Colonel. Is that right? Ah, dammit. Anyways, he was in the army and he, like, he went to Korea, Vietnam, like he was a tough mother. Pew was a tough motherfucker. Mm-hmm. But his dad, by the time I knew him, he was like this really gentle.

Mm-hmm. He was like old, you know, he was old. He would've been in his seventies, eighties, like soft spoken.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: I thought he was a sweet, sweet, gentle man. Wrong. No, he was a bare knuckle boxer. He was infamous for how hard he could hit. He w he was like, he actually would ra be a bouncer because mm-hmm.

When people saw that he was there, they were like, fuck that. Mm-hmm. He survived. Um, he worked in the mines. There's bonder mines is like in Missouri. There's these mines.

Speaker 3: A bare knuckle boxer that worked in the mines [00:40:00] is so, and this is a real, this is real. That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker: He was in the mind when it collapsed.

Came out.

Speaker 3: Wow.

Speaker: Fucking survive. He was the toughest motherfucker. And then look at me. What happened?

Speaker 3: I know, I think about like, my, my, my, uh, my dad was in the army and he like, you know, was in all these, these random fights. My, uh, my uncle was in Vietnam. My, my great uncle was in the Korean War. My grandmother was a World War II Marine.

She was a Rosie the Riveter. Like, I have all of these, like, I made, like all of my uncles were in the military uhhuh. And then there's, I am a

Speaker 4: teacher and a podcaster and a take.

Speaker: I make videos online. I make

Speaker 4: videos on the internet. About, about guys that hurt my feelings.

Speaker: I, yeah, you gotta wonder if they don't like, think like, Hmm.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Well we gave him, we gave him the jeans to be the next dinner, a disaster. And you threw it [00:41:00] away. You decided to care.

Speaker: I don't have to be fair, I don't have any of the genes that, yeah, I don't know. I don't think because I, he, he wasn't, my great grandpa was not that big either.

He was just fucking, yeah. Like, just strong. One of those little

Speaker 4: guys with the,

Speaker: well, yeah, no, he's, I bet he was probably six foot, but he, I mean, like, you know when they have that, like the Muscle man build, where it's like, they kind of look normal, but like mm-hmm. They could probably punch through a brick.

Speaker 3: Right, right.

Speaker: Oh, and then, yeah, then there's me. I, there's just nothing here.

Speaker 3: You know what muscle I decided to use

Speaker: your. Brain. Mm-hmm. Your heart.

Speaker 3: My heart. It's the most important

Speaker: muscle. I mean, also, no one's gonna fucking fight you. So that's also,

Speaker 3: I mean, it is. I have, I, I have not had a lot of, I had, I had found out, a friend of mine, a friend, uh, way back when used to, uh, I thought we were good friends, but I found out that he, 'cause he was a shit talker [00:42:00] and so Oh, he needed you.

He invited me places to go with him because nobody would like try to fight him. 'cause he wasn't a fighter. He was just a shit talker. You

Speaker: know what, that is something I've never had to struggle with. Is, is wondering, did they only invite me here? 'cause I'm so tough looking. We found out

Speaker 3: later on, I was like.

That's the only reason why he used to invite me to go places with them is because what a little shit. I'd be standing next to him and nobody would, would come up and try. Yeah. Uh, yeah.

Speaker: I, I'll tell, I have, I will get in the mix if I think someone's doing something bad. Like I mm-hmm. Like, I've definitely gotten into the mix with women, um mm-hmm.

Defending women, other women. Mm-hmm. Um, but I've never, I, I, I don't think clearly in those moments, I need to be smarter.

Speaker 3: I am, I am, uh, ferociously protective of my family, though. That is one thing I, I am, that's the one time, like my wife even will be like, like she'll, she'll send me places 'cause she knows that I will like fucking, like, like I [00:43:00] don't back down if, if, if I feel someone fucked over my kids or my wife, I am like.

Let me talk to them. And it's, you can see, and I, she said before it, I get this look in my eyes, dam. Yeah. That is genuinely scary. Scary. My wife talks about

Speaker: it. She's like, uh oh. Mm-hmm. I also, like, I lived my house, had like, my sisters are very intelligent. My parents are both really smart. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Very

Speaker: intelligent.

And so like, we would battle words and like you had to be on the, your fucking a game in my house. Mm-hmm. Or you were gonna get eviscerated. Mm-hmm. And so, like, if it comes down to a battle of words, I feel quite confident. 'cause I also don't back down very easily. Mm-hmm. And like, I, I, I think sometimes men are not prepared mm-hmm.

For the energy with which I bring my arguments because then they're like, oh shit. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to do this. Actually

Speaker 3: I had, uh, my older brother used to beat the shit outta me. When I was younger, but he would, but the way he would do it [00:44:00] was, and I think, I don't, I'm not even mad at him for it.

'cause I think he thought he was like being the fill in father where he would punch me and if I made a noise, he was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna punch you harder in this exact same spot. And so I have this absurdly high pain tolerance that I think I built up just because I had years of my older brother like abusing me so that I wouldn't, and then finally, God, before it used to be, oh no, at first it was make a noise.

Like a man, he would say to me, 'cause I would go like I'm a little boy, I'd be like, oh, oh,

Speaker 4: call Whatcha doing that? It,

Speaker 3: and then I, so I learned to go like so, and then he was like, now no noise. Every Jesus

Speaker: Christ, Jessica.

Speaker 3: Yeah. He thought he was, he was making me a man and clear. It just made me realize, I was like, why do people like getting punched?

It sucks.

Speaker: I did have a sister grow a foot over a summer and had proprioceptive issues. A third

Speaker 3: foot?

Speaker: Yes, exactly. No, [00:45:00] but like we were about the same height. And then after one summer we were not close to the same height and I was still being a shit disturber. And, um, she has proprioceptive issues. Mm. So she would wail on me and not know she was wailing on me.

Oh no. And then I had, there was finally one time it, she like smacked my, I don't, she like smacked my chest. I can't remember. Yeah. But it left a red mark and I was like, look. Mm-hmm. And she was like, horrified.

Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.

Speaker: She had no idea she had hit me that hard. I was like, yeah, but are

Speaker 3: my kids don't. Like physically fight almost ever.

And they, every once in a while they'll one of 'em hit another one. 'cause they're, you know, they're young kids and, and I get so upset. I'm like, so upset. And I think back, I'm like, I wonder why. No, I know. But I'm like, it, it's, I get so mad at them like, for doing it and I'm like, that I don't like scream at or anything, but I'm, I'm like, you know, that is, that is something I have we talk about.

'cause that is not okay. You do not use your hands that way. It just a blah, blah, blah. But I think about it, I'm like, man. When we were growing up, like everybody's brother and sister, [00:46:00] at least in my like friends, they used to beat the shit out of each and our parents didn't care at all.

Speaker: Yeah. We were more, we were like wrestled and roughhouse, but there were definitely some whammies.

Yeah. I was not, a lot of times it was, there was some, I would honestly, I would've preferred a hit to some of the verbal altercations Yeah. That we got into. They were like diabolical. Oh God. My, my, we could, you could rip each other's souls out with certain Yeah. Who said the right thing, but holy hell. Yeah.

I, I knew I, yeah. I've, I've knew people who got like, whooped growing up, like

Speaker 3: mm-hmm. I'm like,

Speaker: I, it's a very, I did not like,

Speaker 3: I feel that's, I feel bad when I like am too loud with my kids.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I have to go apol. I have to go talk to her and apologize. That was not acceptable.

Speaker: I will think, I'll literally be like, God, I hope I didn't take my emotions out on her.

Mm-hmm. Like I was, I was upset at the thing that she did, but I hope it wasn't too much. Right. That wasn't okay. I look at how everybody else grew up. I'm like, oh, I think we're all right. [00:47:00] Yeah. I think

Speaker 3: they're probably gonna be fine. I think we're over overthinking this. It's, it's a good thing to overthink.

I think caring about your kids' long-term being is, is, is good. And I'm happy. I don't beat my kids. So

Speaker: I feel like you either like, turn into your parents in some ways mm-hmm. Or you didn't like something that mm-hmm. About the way they raise you, and you fight very hard not to go that

Speaker 3: route. Mm-hmm. My, my, uh, my youngest learned, like, she knows that hitting is bad, and so, mm-hmm.

Uh, she'll say like, like, uh, I remember one time she was, she decided to say like, why are you hitting me? And we're like, not even touching her. Or wait, or she'd go to the other parent that was in and she would like, dad, mommy hit me. And I'm like, that's

Speaker: insane

Speaker 3: behavior. Yeah. She would go, but she knew 'cause hitting was bad and she would, yeah.

She's

Speaker: like, what's bad enough that I can get something from this? And

Speaker 3: we didn't believe it. 'cause neither of us hit her, hit the kids. And we're like, and at one point we were like, baby, you can't, you can't tell people that. Like, that's not what we're doing. Like you're making

Speaker: false sports [00:48:00] here.

Speaker 3: She um, she also elopes she'll run and so like, occasionally like, like if she was like running toward the street, I like drive over and grab her.

Mm-hmm. Uh, and she'd be like, why'd you hit me? I'm like, I was keeping you from getting hit by the car.

Speaker: That is not how that went. Exactly. That is

Speaker 3: not hitting. And I feel like I've done, we've done such a good job of not hitting our kids that they don't know what hitting is. They've heard about it, they've seen it on tv.

I guess this is

Speaker: your hand grabs me. Must, must be hitting

Speaker 4: this. Must be, this is abuse.

Let me run in the street with the cars. How dare you, father Zaza.

Speaker: Oh man, I, the other day I was, uh, my daughter, we were getting ready for school. She just could not stay on task. The only thing in the world I wanted her to do was

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Eat this bowl of cereal. She was just doing all kinds of crazy. She was like [00:49:00] playing, doing all this different stuff.

She finally comes back to eat the cereal after, like, I, you know, I've corrected it a couple times and told her, you know, come back and say, and I like went to go get something and I just hear And then splat, Uhhuh, she has spilled the entire cereal bowl. And I'm like, I told you. Mm-hmm. I got so mad. And then after there was something where something happened, which I di it, I didn't care that it had happened.

And I was like, Hey, there's no reason to get upset over small things. And she's like, well, you got angry with me earlier. And I was like, why do you, did I get angry though? Because for the fifth time, yeah. Uh, you finally sat down to eat cereal mm-hmm. And spilled the entire bowl. Like went through, like, got into the wood.

I was like,

Speaker 2: right.

Speaker: Ah. But she was like, well actually you got quite angry with me mother. Mm-hmm. Like, I did not, I barely even raised my voice.

Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories of uh, of like similar thing of kids being smart asses were like, [00:50:00] oh, that's not okay to do Was when, uh, I, we were tra we were driving when I was little.

I was like eight. And remember back in the day, they would have cigarette lighters in the backseat of cars. Oh

Speaker: God. Yes.

Speaker 3: And I as a curious child.

Speaker 2: Oh

Speaker 3: no. And I am, and it was, I remember it like you, it, the rings were fully burned onto my finger and my, and we're in the middle. Oh, I remember specifically where we are.

We grew up in Bay Area. We were driving through a long tunnel, so there's nowhere to pull over. And I am screaming bloody murder. My brother's in the backseat. He's like, and my and my mom said, his words were, this is bad mom. This is real bad. And she's like, I can't pull over. I can't pull over. 'cause we're in a tunnel.

And he says to her, you sure can always find somewhere to pull over when you wanna smack us.

Speaker 5: Jesus.

Oh my God. And

Speaker 3: she was like, that's, you're gonna get your, [00:51:00]

Speaker 5: I'll smack you when we

Speaker 3: get outta the tunnel. First off, I'm gonna smack you. Then I'm gonna check out and make sure that checo is okay. Uh, man, that would that. I'm surprised I still have fingerprints though. 'cause that was a real bad one.

Speaker: I'm very lucky.

I did not grow up a smacking house. I don't think I would've survived. My mouth was cashing checks.

Speaker 3: I didn't, she didn't? Yeah, she didn't hit, like we didn't get beat, but it was always our, our punishment would be the, like, it was something like that hand smack. Like a hand smack. And that was enough though.

Like if she, if it got to that point, we knew we fucked up. Like that was, uh, and it, I mean, I had a couple spankings, like when it was like one time I was lighting matches and putting 'em under the couch. Oh, I, I, I found a bag of magic. My mom walks in and she was like, I'm, I'm fairly, sounds like burning.

What is, I was really apparently into fire of like, that's two stories related right there. Um, luckily I never burned anything, but she came in, she was like, what's, do you guys smell that? And I was like, no. I had my hands around my back. And she's like, [00:52:00] what do you have? And I held up this empty pack of matches and she, and it was like, it was, and she looks under the, the, so I had, luckily I didn't burn down her house, but that one, that one, I'm not even that mad about it.

That got me a, uh, it got me a, a pretty bad spanking 'cause I was like, I learned not to play with matches that day. My first, my first Boy scout meeting, I got, uh, almost kicked out. Did I ever share this story with you? I don't think so. My first, I didn't go to the Boy Scouts. I was, I went to one Boy Scout meeting and decided it wasn't for me because we were at a, uh, they had candles in the middle of the table and I, I lit something on fire and the guy came over, gave me a badge and cut the quarter off of it because it was like, supposed to be like that.

I don't remember specifically what it was, but was like my fire chit or something. He was like, 'cause it, I broke a rule and I got in trouble and I was like, I don't, I don't, okay. And so I was like, I don't, I remember going home, I was like, I don't wanna go back there anymore.

Speaker: He took your badge from you? He gave me a

Speaker 3: [00:53:00] badge that was a fire badge and cut off the corner of it because I broke a rule.

I remember specifically, I don't what he gave me. What does that mean? I don't know, but it was, it was, that was supposed to be a big deal.

Speaker: Oh, he cut off a corner. Oh, he's got a corner off his badge. He's, he's a bad boy.

Speaker 3: He, he is a fire starter and so that's the

Speaker: equivalent of a loud muffler for a boy scout.

Right.

Speaker 3: Whoa. Have you? But have you seen, have you seen his fire badge?

Speaker: He's got, all the boys are cutting all the sides off. They're like doing it on purpose. Like

Speaker 3: know if someone was in the Boy Scouts and has any idea what I'm talking about. That's my memory Of what? Of this interaction. I have no, I have nothing else to go by other than my, but I also create narratives to fit my feelings.

Does that make like, in my memories, I will, I will have full on narratives that I have decided how something went.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Uh,

Speaker 3: and uh, it's only later on when I like really usually with a therapist and like unpacking it. I'm like, that didn't, that isn't what happened at all. [00:54:00] When, uh, there was one time I got in trouble, uh, I didn't get hit for this one, but I remember we were at a, some sort of a park where they were, they had like these like things where you got to like shoot spears out of It was, that's where we were going to, but I didn't get to go there 'cause I was being a little shit doing something.

And so my mom took me back to the car when, mm-hmm. When my brother and my cousin got to go and I was so mad and I was apparently in the backseat. Drawing pictures of like, oh, watch. And I, my mom said I was, I gave her one picture and it was like me with no mom, and it was just me sad. Like, this is how I feel right now.

Speaker 4: Exactly. I'm on

Speaker 3: fire. It's like, it is like, once again, I was like, but I was like giving, apparently the, we were not, there was not a word that was said. We were sitting in the car and I was just furiously drawing pictures about how upset I was that I didn't get to shoot the spears or whatever.

Speaker: There's so many things, don't think I did it.

Like kids that I [00:55:00] thought were like brutal and then like, like you idiot, like I, there was one time it was something completely insignificant, but I was like. Screw it. I'm running away and for no reason whatsoever.

Speaker 2: Uh,

Speaker: so I packed a little suitcase and I started walking and it was like cold out and my mom's like, Hey, whatcha doing?

I'm running away. And she's like, okay. She's like, well, um. How about I make you like a cup of hot cocoa before you go. Mm-hmm. And then you can just go ahead and run away. And I was like, fine, I will have hot cocoa mother. And I wheeled my little mixed suitcase back in. And then obviously I freaking stayed because I had hot cocoa at that point.

Of

Speaker 3: course you, you're not mad. You forgot why you were even mad at that point there.

Speaker: There was that one time my sister chased me down on bikes when I was staging a runaway again, I was not running away and I was not, there was no reason I was doing it other than I was being a brat. Yeah. But I remember I was like, ah, I've been busted ing.

No, you

Speaker 3: got me the cops.

Speaker: Oh, [00:56:00] behind me, the cop has got me.

Speaker 3: You're yelling at your sister's Acab Acab.

I

Speaker 5: serpentine. Oh

Speaker 3: shit. I was, I never, my mom never had to worry about that with me. 'cause I was so worried all the time. So the idea of like leaving my house Yeah. Was, I was such a rule. Like it goes back to the rule following, but that was like, that was never a threat I made. It was more so me, everyone was gonna be very aware that I was upset with the situation.

And, well, my mom said the one thing that really, there was a certain point probably around, and she said it was around like 11 or 12 where I, I was, I was always ver, and this is the autism coming out again, the undiagnosed, but I was, things had to be correct and I, and I was at around 11 or 12, I read so many books like, like in the hundreds a year.

Right. And I'd spend so much [00:57:00] time reading and researching in the library that I knew a lot of random factoids. And so somebody would say something and I'd be like. Actually, oh no. And she, and they said it. My mom said they couldn't always, and it was about halfway through the argument, they'd realized that I was right.

And she was like, at that point, you can't just at that, because I was being a little shit though, it wasn't like I was just being like, oh, actually I read this thing. Did you know? Yeah. Did you know actually no. This, this, it was me being like, not knowing how to con to express my information. So she's like, and it was, she was like, it pissed her off.

'cause it was like, uh, it happened over and over again at, right, right around 12, where she realized that if I was upset about something, it was because I was probably right and shit. It was so upsetting because you couldn't also just give in at that point. Mm-hmm. Because then it's more, because it's about the principle in that moment of like, yeah, respecting your, your [00:58:00] caregiver to, you know.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: But I was such a little shit. I think about it, I'm like, oh God. But I mean, it wasn't my fault. I didn't know why I was so concerned with rules and correction and all that goes into that. Mm-hmm. Uh, my teachers loved it too.

Speaker: I bet they did. I bet they loved it. Yeah. I've

Speaker 3: shared, I've shared stories about that before about like, I did find out that the teacher that I thought fucking hated me mm-hmm.

That she, years later when I was, I went back and visited, they asked me to host this thing and she was like, no, you were one of my favorite students I've ever had. And I was like, all this time I thought you fucking hated me. She was like, well. You were terrible. Like in my class. You were, you were very hard.

She was like, but she was like, you were a

Speaker: nightmare.

Speaker 3: You were an n absolute nightmare. And it's, I guarantee like in my, in hindsight, I know I didn't feel like I was being that way. Now that I have a child, it's very much like me. I'm like, oh, that's probably what was going on. [00:59:00] And I was fully oblivious to all of that.

I think my, my, my son is, that's, his brain works very similar to me in that regard. And he'll bring up something and he doesn't like the fact that I'm also very aware of what's going on. And so we, we will, but we we're able to, um, when we do it, we, we go back and forth. It's like ping pong. It's like boom, boom, boom.

Right? And finally we, we land on the right answer, but him and my wife get in such like arguments like where you, I could tell like, okay, I'm gonna step in right now because I think this is not going, because their brains don't process information in that, that same weird way. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: Wow. So we really got off track here.

Speaker 3: We did. I don't remember what we were, we, we were talking about, talking about the fighting one. We're

Speaker: talking about women's s

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: From your Reddit list.

Speaker 3: Yeah. There's a bunch more we could have gotten. This is on, uh, threads, but, uh Oh,

Speaker: threads.

Speaker 3: Yeah. There's way too many men mention their privates under their prowess far too soon.

Speaker: Ew. [01:00:00]

Speaker 3: Like, ugh.

Speaker: Yuck. But I can't even fathom. Biased.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I, uh, like the, the amount of women I know that receive pictures, you know, from Oh, unsolicited all the time. Mm-hmm. And it's like, it's, there's, there's no comparison for men. Like, 'cause like there's, I've, you know, I'm, I'm big enough on the internet and you've read my comment sections, not, I've never received an unsolicited picture because it's wrong.

'cause that's, that's a, you know, that, that's, I think for some reason women are able to understand that that's really problematic to send something unsolicited. Even though I'm sure many men will be like, not care, uh, because of, but, but it's, they, but they can't understand. The idea that this is horribly wrong, uh, in doing that, but.

Good Lord. Also, if a guy's bragging about how good they're in bed, what percentage of them are actually good in bad zero. You have to, I have to imagine that that co I don't, it's one of the places where confidence to like overconfidence is not gonna benefit you because you're not. I feel [01:01:00]

Speaker 5: if you're your own referral that I fear you're not good.

Speaker 3: Hmm. Every woman loves it because it's also the thing, oh, it's my move, my special move that I have that every woman likes.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. And that's, sorry sir.

Speaker 3: It's almost like women are different.

Speaker: It's almost like they're people with different wants and desires. It's wild.

Speaker 3: Oh, this is another good one. Uh, I know we only have a few minutes left, but, uh, telling you, you're not like the other girls.

Speaker: Oh God. That's been said to me so many times. That's like very clearly they don't like women

Speaker 3: or backhanded compliments that put down women. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 'cause that means you don't normally like women. So the fact that I am quote unquote different from them.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: It also sets, it, it sets you up for them to like, it's, it's a good manipulation to keep you being what they want.

Right. Because then it's like, oh, but you're different. So stay different.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Continue to do this cool girl shit. Don't be like, like other ones

Speaker 3: that nobody likes.

Speaker: Yeah. [01:02:00] You don't wanna be like the other women. I like you 'cause

Speaker 3: you're cool with me treating you like shit.

Speaker: You know how you let me treat you like shit.

Keep that up girl. Like, I like

Speaker 3: that.

That's, um, I like

Speaker: that a lot. Just so

Speaker 3: you know, bonus points in my book.

Speaker: You know how you have the bar that's in hell? Mm-hmm. For men, you keep it there. Girlfriend, you can lower that sucker,

Speaker 3: like walked out the door when I did this, but you stayed.

Speaker: You're not like

Speaker 3: the other girls. You have zero standards.

Speaker: I've had that said to me. Brutal. I've had that said to me for so many dumb fucking reasons. Like it could literally just be like, I play video games Uhhuh. And they're like, oh, you're not wanting other girl, like, other girls play video games. You weirdo, they just don't wanna play with you.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker: God.

Speaker 3: Well, it's also the, the, the reason why you don't hear women playing video games as much is because of [01:03:00] the horrific shit that gets said and done to women.

Whenever their voice is heard while playing them. It's like, oh, it's weird. I never, I never see any women in these, in this online game that I'm playing. It's, yeah. 'cause they all have their microphone turned off. Like,

Speaker: shut up bitch.

Speaker 3: I'm like, there, there, it's, you guys are horrific. Anytime one of them man, like actually says, their word in voice says a word in voice chat.

I love the, I love the pro gamers that are the That's what I was gonna say.

Speaker: There's like these beautiful women who get in there and like. Not only do they eviscerate them in the game mm-hmm. They're just like, stunning, funny. And the guy's like, you're, you're an old stop, blah ugly. And you're like, uh, actually, aesthetically speaking, she's probably the woman of your dreams.

It's like amazing to see what they insult, having no idea who they're talking to.

Speaker 3: Those guys would be the first ones to say like, why can't I find a woman that likes gaming too? And then they'll go on again. You fucking, you stupid. Go make me a a [01:04:00] sandwich bitch. What are you doing outside the kitchen to be a here?

Why can't

Speaker: I find a nice girl? Why? I

Speaker 3: just don't understand it. I just wants to play games with me. No,

Speaker: they're always attacking her physique and like her looks and they're like, God, why do women care so much about? Looks like I don't get it.

Speaker 3: You do? Yeah. I just don't get it.

Speaker: Ugh. This is so hard to be a male gamer.

Speaker 3: Ugh, man. I'm happy. We had this whole conversation about how, how hard it is to be a man these days.

Speaker: Yeah, it's tough out there. Well, friends, thank you so much for listening. Sorry we've had a little hiatus on and off here, but we're back. Uh, give us some grace as it is the holiday season. So we don't know when we'll be posting. There might be a gap or two.

Speaker 3: Maybe we'll post, maybe I'll start posting some of our, uh, our, our original episodes from background.

Our classics. Our classics.

Speaker: I have, yeah, place some of the hits. I have some that are my favorites. I cry. I still can cry, laugh to some of the, I've told you my favorite one [01:05:00] will always be the, uh, uh, one girl versus a hundred men. Isn't that what it was? Because I have never seen you more serious about, I thought we were gonna go in there with the lulls and just like, shoot the shit and you're like, listen, scientifically, I stand

Speaker 3: by this.

I think there's a lot of like, uh, people that are actually of scientific backgrounds that have come with me. This is my flat earth moment where I still stand by. A gorilla would beat the shit out of Haman.

Speaker: I agree. And also like mm-hmm. I agree. People would bail if they even showed up.

Speaker 3: Right. I, I think and would

Speaker: be mentally, literally.

Yeah. We don't

Speaker 3: need to rehash the whole thing again, but, uh, maybe I will repost that one again. But I do think to repost

Speaker: it,

Speaker 3: the point that I was trying to make is this psychological aspect of fighting a gorilla is not something that anybody is taking into account. You can't just think of physiologically like a hundred men versus a gorilla.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure. A hundred pound, a hundred men bombarding a gorilla. That's not gonna happen though. [01:06:00] All of which is one of them getting their skull crushed. Anyway, that's a whole, we did an hour long episode of this. We don't need to imagine. Well,

Speaker: and also then we'll stop. It's not just that, it's also the overconfidence with which the men would go into the battle.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then realize like, oh shit.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, all right, friends. Well, thank you for listening. As always, make sure to check out our socials, which you'll see linked in this episode, and we will see you next time.

Speaker 3: Bye. Love you though. Bye.