Garrick (00:01.912)
Hello and welcome to this episode of the Curious Advantage podcast. My name is Garret Jones and today I'm here with my co-author Simon Brown.

Simon Brown (00:10.212)
Hello.

Garrick (00:11.507)
And we're delighted to be joined by Christian Kressman. Hello, Christian.

Christian (00:15.491)
Bye, nice to meet you guys. Thanks for having me.

Garrick (00:17.71)
Welcome to the Curious Advantage podcast, Christian, you're an actor, you have a PhD in creativity, and you're a systemic coach. Your work explores how curiosity fuels creativity. It's right in our wheelhouse and helps ideas become both new and useful. Shaped by life-changing misdiagnosis in his 20s, Christian brings a unique perspective to coaching and research, helping leaders and creators focus their energy.

and act with clarity. You also bring these themes to life in film, telling stories that balance humour, fragility and courage. Christian, it's a fascinating story about how you got here, about what you're doing. So you've got this journey from acting and theatre to chemistry, physics and learning and development. It's really broad and amazing. And how did Curiosity guide you through these different paths and...

How did it shape your focus on creativity? Basically, did you get to where you are today?

Christian (01:23.523)
Thanks for the question. It sounds so spread out, I know, but basically it's all the same. It's all about creativity or creative problem solving just applied to other dimensions of life. When I was 12 years of age, I remember I was fascinated by the TV show MacGyver, the one who could, well, fix atom bombs from exploding with just, what is it, a chewing gum and a bullet pen or a ball pen.

And I was intrigued by how he approached life and I also got into making art and making music just from an early age promoted by my parents. And I think that kind of kept me through the ages. So I started playing guitar when I was 14, but not thinking of it for being special. I just loved doing that kind of work, being curious.

so to speak, for all the things that I can learn. And that translated into my studies then because I was curious in science and because I was introduced into MacGyver and the closest thing that could, well, that would meet his daily life would be chemistry and physics in my opinion back then. And so I started studying chemistry and physics and I was always driven by curiosity to explore how the world works and

That same holds true for how human beings work. So I just didn't know any better. So I was curious about how the mechanics of interaction and resilience, leading yourself, mindset and all that are going, which brought me into coaching. And I didn't name it curiosity back then. I just was curious about those things and wanted to learn more about it.

And finally this all came to, well, a conclusion or to summarize it all in my PhD then. Because then I had the chance to, wow, that's how you call it what I was doing all the time, being curious or being creative and solving problems creatively, which I then did in my employment at a large company, in my self-employment. And the same is true for acting, coaching and...

Christian (03:50.179)
filmmaking. And we can explore more about this in a few, but that's just the gist.

Garrick (03:56.493)
And then you got from physics and science into creativity and creative problem solving. And that was the core of your PhD research, wasn't it? So what creative problem solving then for you?

Christian (04:05.856)
Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Christian (04:12.518)
according to LinkedIn learning, it is the most desirable skill that companies desire in employees. Well, officially, I don't know if it's true, but that are the publications. And I think we can see it in our world right now that it is kind of getting complex, with AI on the forefront with AI emerging and kind of, attacking.

organizations as how they are right now and how they do business as usual, it all gets very complex. And this is actually what creative problem solving means to deal with the most complex problems in a way that can that they can be managed. So basically, creative problem solving means the more complex a problem is, the more variables they are, the not the more creative we need to be to solve this problem. So

the more out of the box thinking and original approaches we need to, well, make a meeting out of this situation that we don't know anything about it, and then come up with ideas, solutions and all that.

Simon Brown (05:25.509)
So that feels like that's a skill that is becoming more and more required and the problems that we need to solve are getting more and more complex. There are more and more variables.

How has your research shown that we go about tackling those or what's your suggestions for how we deal with some of these, some people would say sort of wicked problems of these huge sort of complex things of how do we navigate through uncertain future, how do we deal with geopolitics and all that's going on, these are big complex problems. Where do we start to tackle those?

Christian (06:05.847)
Well, you mentioned my research on my work and that was where I combined my coaching expertise or background with my studies. Well, I couldn't help it. It was just me being curious about that topic, so I did it. And I found great support from the creative problem solving group in Buffalo, New York, who did and well, I was standing on the shoulders of giants, of course.

and they already did amazing research and practical applications of individualized creativity. So the basic question is not how creative are we. What they ask is how are we creative? So what is our approach to creativity? So very individualized, tied to personal aptitudes and preferences approach. And this is, in my opinion,

the way out of solving those complex problems because we need to look at all the different people, how they prefer to deal with problems, what are their strengths, what are their capabilities, and how can we use them in those evolving companies. It can be compared with writing, maybe to give a good example. So Simon, are you right or left-handed? Let me ask. Good. So you can write your signature with your left hand as well, right?

Simon Brown (07:24.389)
and right handed, yes.

Simon Brown (07:30.981)
not very well, but I could have a go.

Christian (07:34.082)
Yeah, yeah, that's the point. You could do it somehow, but you prefer to do it with your right hand. And that is what preference is. And the same is true for creativity. Let me give an example. When being creative, we need to process informations. And some people prefer to do it by speaking with them. My father does so. when he says, Chris, I want to talk, I said, God, he doesn't want to talk.

Simon Brown (07:40.025)
Yes.

Christian (08:01.415)
Well, he wants to talk, but not to get a conversation. But that's the way how he processes his information. then afterwards, after 30 minutes of him speaking, he says, well, what a good conversation it was. And some people are more introverted and they like to digest information more with pen and paper on themselves. And there are other dimensions to creativity, but

This is individual preferences of how we like to approach complex problems, how we like to, well, address all the different dimensions of creative problem solving. And I think with focusing on those individual preferences within the people of the organization, we can help navigate those challenging times.

Garrick (08:54.286)
So are we talking about collaborative problem solving and collaborative creativity, or are we talking about individual problem solving? What context or what logical level are we focused on? And my question then leads to imagine there's a complex problem that needs solving, how would you recommend we go about it?

Christian (09:18.403)
Well, first of all, I really hated this question in my PhD, because it is all kind of combined and tied together. it is an academic way of nitpicking. The practical applications in the real world are... Well, I like to be more hands-on.

and not to divide collaborative problem solving, individual problem solving, creative problem solving, all that. We can do that for academic purposes, but they're all overlaps in the real world. So if we do it together, like you and I, Gerrick, talk about a problem, it is kind of collaborative problem solving. If I then go in the back of the room and think about it, well, it would be individual problem solving to some extent, but you have your influence. So I don't find it's a very

meaningful and important to dive. Yeah, yeah, And I think there is a reason to do that in academia. But for practical applications, I don't think it is necessary to divide it properly. But to answer your question.

Garrick (10:20.034)
because we're moving between these modalities all the time.

Christian (10:44.237)
hands-on problem solving. Well, the biggest mistakes people do is they merge the two phases of creative thinking together, which shouldn't be merged or combined together. They try to come up with ideas, but at the same time, they censor themselves or evaluate, are they any good? Does that make sense? And whatever. they kind of, yeah, hinder themselves in the two different ways of thinking.

the real deal is to just separate those thinking styles. So there should be a clear brainstorming phase and then afterwards we can comment and evaluate all those shitty ideas, but not at the same time. So if we're in a company, it would be really helpful to allow for people to just go crazy with ideas.

and not censor them and not evaluate them, but give them time to let them come up with the weird stuff and frame it in a way that, well, it's okay to be weird at this stage. Later on, we can say if it's good or if it's bad. And for that as well, just to bring in the individual aspect, it would be helpful to look at all the different people. So what I found in the PhD, just last comment on that.

is that inclusion or diversity goes hand in hand with creativity because we need those out of the box thinking. We need to have those outside perspectives from people that are different and other than us. this is, in my opinion, the combination of diversity, inclusion and creative thinking and all that. But I'll make a point here.

Simon Brown (12:33.572)
Yeah, that was where my mind was going, because as you were describing sort of those preferences for different ways of thinking, it sort of went to actually therefore in getting to the best possible, most creative answer, presumably having a very diverse set of people with different ways of thinking, different preferences.

brings you into that strongest answer. I guess then it sounds like from then the two phases, if the first is that sort of divergence, get lots of ideas out there and then you converge on the rest, then that first phase, presumably diversity plays a critical role in that.

Christian (13:08.376)
Yeah, totally. But I think the underlying theme is curiosity, to be honest, because we have to be curious in both aspects. So to coming up with all those new ideas, be curious about the different people, the different mindsets, different backgrounds and all that. Or, well, if I see an idea that I don't understand why they do that or why they came up with that, just be curious about, well, why did they? And then later on, we do need the curiosity as well.

to in how many ways can this fail or suck, to be honest. So how can we still make it happen or what needs to be done that it's still valid? And we need to be curious about all the potential pitfalls that we can tap into.

Simon Brown (13:59.621)
So a divergence from where we're heading, but my own curiosity is playing on me. So Garak in his introduction sort of sowed the seeds of a curious question around how you were shaped by a life-changing mid-diagnosis in your 20s. And my curiosity is playing on me as to what was this thing that shaped your life and what you're doing now? I'm curious.

Christian (14:15.406)
Yeah.

Christian (14:25.132)
Well, thanks for asking. I think that was my real PhD in creative problem solving because that was the real world application of what I did and I did my PhD later on after being diagnosed. So I was diagnosed when I was 22 with multiple sclerosis, which then turned out to be a false diagnosis in such a way that there isn't any explanation yet why this happens or why certain conditions happen to people. well, doctors just say...

well, it might be a good fit for multiple sclerosis, I don't know. Just really abbreviated. And he gave me a look into my future. So he told me, well, Mr. Kressman, looking at you, being half blinded, describing all the symptoms, the severity of your symptoms, well, you might end well in a wheelchair and blind by the age of 32.

Well, I'm 32. I'm really good. I'm not in a wheelchair. I do sit, yeah, but the solution to that was my endeavor for being really, really creative because I didn't want to accept this explanation. And this led me into gene tests, into exploring high dosage of vitamin D and all the supplemental factors like magnesium and...

complex and all that because well I had this background in chemistry and physics so I could understand some of the science but I really went through lots of papers and used well I was desperate of course because with that what is it view I had into the future I wouldn't accept it and so so I embarked on this journey to not let me

ruled by this, kind of.

Garrick (16:18.97)
Can you talk a little bit about this? It's an awful situation. There's a terrible diagnosis with a terrible prospect, which is a shock, right? Shock to the system, a shock to all of our, can't and I can't really imagine just the impact of that. But what you're saying is that it led to a un-pouring of creativity in your, and it led you to take a creative path.

Christian (16:43.822)
Yes.

Garrick (16:47.98)
to solve and figure out a way forward. Can you talk a little bit more about what you did? Where was the creativity? What did you do that was outside of the ordinary?

Christian (17:03.588)
So, as you said, I was on a cross way. So I had two choices, either to accept it and be devastated by it or to not accept the circumstances and ask the right questions. And this is what drives me in my work as a coach or this is also what drove me in my employment back then that

the quality of our questions determines the quality of our lives because each question we ask kind of has a pooling or kind of a curiosity buried within that when we ask the right question there's a drive inside of us that we need an answer to that question. when I answered, I could have answered the question, why does it happen to me?

Why am I so punished by the universe or whatever? Which lots of sick people do and I really did ask those questions but I didn't stop there. Instead I asked a question which may sound weird but first, how can I make this, what is happening right now to me, to be the source of my greatest bliss in life? So how can I transform this into something valuable for me?

There was one major mental help aspect and the practical questions for solving this situation was, right, what information exists there about this diagnosis? So we do have three steps in problem solving. First is understanding the current situation, making quite a clear goal for the future and then bridging the gap between those two states. And I didn't.

any idea about those diagnoses. I didn't have any idea about my conditions and whatever. So I needed to understand the situation first and I read about 1,000 papers, around about maybe less, maybe more, I don't know. But I often had my browser open for... Well, you couldn't see the crosses on the tabs in the browser. So many were open. And...

Simon Brown (19:17.294)
This was presumably for the AI, so you actually had to read them rather than have them summarised for you.

Christian (19:24.632)
Well, I didn't read everything. I was glad that lots of researchers did use the abstracts for the key findings. And when there was something intriguing, I went into more of it. And then I got an idea and I stumbled upon vitamin D and autoimmune diseases. And then a book fell into my lab and just talked about vitamin D and its applications because

Most people think it's a vitamin, but it's a hormone or pro-hormone, pre-hormone. And I didn't know about it either. And I didn't know about that it does control 10 % of the genetic code in our system, which is insane. there were those were some cues to follow that path. again, curiosity was kind of my guiding principle to find out more about, well, this author says,

that he took 100,000 international units of vitamin D daily and he kind of got rid of all his pain. That is weird. I don't believe it. And so I stood on course and I didn't get rid of it. And this took me like five years or six years. And it wasn't a proper therapy or a protocol back then. So there were only

YouTube videos of some Brazilian neuro... that's a tough one. Neurologist. And he did some studies and some experiments and I was curious and I was insane actually to try it on my own. And I had to pay the price as well because I didn't manage to do all that was what he was actually doing. But I didn't supplement magnesium and other stuff. So I got cramps because the vitamin D took on my...

the storage of the magnesium in my body, is needed for the synthesis or the translation. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I didn't do it. So I had really amazing success. So lots of conditions I had, like a thumb, a numb leg, or not being able to feel heat and...

Garrick (21:31.768)
Yeah, to make the bio available, need the mechanism.

Christian (21:50.607)
coldness on my leg and all that that that stayed with me, but when I started supplementing I Really I really could feel Everything coming back to normal and I don't have it anymore and this took me about three months and it was crazy I cried all the time. I laughed all the time. I couldn't Understand what's happening right now, but then something shifted that I got cramps and I thought that's no good but

it helped me. So I was confused. What shall I do? And I stay curious as well, but I couldn't find any information. And by a really, really happy incident, some other woman who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis went over to Brazil to interview this neurologist. And he brought over the so-called Kuimbra protocol, which isn't only directed

at multiple sclerosis, but also autoimmune diseases because vitamin D is one of the agents to control the immune system. just fast forward, the protocol was established. Currently, 126 doctors are trained in Germany to supervise this. I got in contact with one and since three and a half years, I'm into a very individualized therapy at Charité, a Berlin hospital.

Garrick (25:13.302)
just to bring it back to your coaching and to how do you, what is your recommendation to ordinary people, everyday people in terms of curiosity and how they should apply this in our everyday lives from what you've learned?

Christian (25:30.318)
think everyone does, but most of the time people don't allow themselves to pursue their curiosity or they're trained by society or whatever to not do in a way that they would love to do. To ask the question that they really care about because they are afraid that the answers they will get or know that asking the questions will...

will upset the person who gets it or they're unsure about what will happen. So I think most of the time people refrain from following their inner heart or really asking the questions that they have within themselves. my guidance or my suggestions is to try it, to really, really try asking the question that...

you have inside of you that comes with a burning, that comes with...

with that that doesn't that doesn't go away. And of course, there are technical things to it. We can really learn to ask better questions, of course. But following that desire is my idea.

Garrick (26:51.726)
So don't be afraid of the difficult questions. Don't be afraid of the things you might be afraid of. Is that what I'm hearing? Face the things, face the difficult questions. the things that you, perhaps when you talk about the burning, the things that you really want to know, that you might be afraid to know the answer to. You're saying, go there. Go there.

Christian (26:59.235)
Yes.

Christian (27:14.446)
Yeah, well, that is my experiential answer. When I was diagnosed, one of the most pressing questions is, well, this is the end of my life now, or isn't it? And then the next question was, yeah, well, what if this is the end? How do I want to pursue the rest of it? So I was kind of faced with my own mortality early on.

And asking me the question, how do I really want to spend my life on Earth and I'm making it consciously that big? Changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it changed everything. And it reminds me all day each day that do I really want to piss that guy or that girl off? Do I want to be rude or do I want to be like a pain in the B? No, I don't want one.

Simon Brown (27:49.908)
big question to be asking. absolutely.

Christian (28:08.952)
To be that person, of course, it doesn't work every day. No, it doesn't. But it's always a reminder of how do I want to be and a guiding principle of... Well, and that was just an example of asking the big questions or not being afraid to ask those questions. Well, facing mortality is kind of a thing, I guess.

Garrick (28:31.382)
Ha.

Simon Brown (28:32.462)
It sounds like that experience though, because then things change and it sounds like, as you say, it's a misdiagnosis. And now, that isn't the path that you've ended up on, but that process that going through that, sounds like you've made a conscious choice to keep some of the mindset that you achieved through that process.

Christian (28:53.708)
Well, it could have been my presence, my present. If I wouldn't have asked those questions, I would just end up in the medical system. They would have treated me well, not right, I guess, because they don't ask those questions. It's not common in the medical system in Germany to ask those kind of questions. The system isn't designed for that. it was, well, kind of...

Yeah, how it was, but I didn't plan for this to happen, of course.

Simon Brown (29:30.372)
I'd like to come on some of your other work. So I understand you were involved in designing immersive learning environments. There were some things there involving escape rooms. Tell me more on what you did there and the linkage, I guess, of how curiosity took you into those immersive learning environments.

Christian (29:32.461)
Yes.

Christian (29:51.217)
thank you. I love to talk about other stuff, of course, not only the disease or diagnosis. I think it's kind of misplaced in this podcast. it's not the health podcast, but more learning oriented. yeah.

Simon Brown (29:55.524)
you

Garrick (30:04.448)
I'm curious podcast that we love. We love when people really love what's to just I really want you to answer Simon's point, but there is something unbelievably impactful about hearing you tell your story and where it came from and what you've been through and how that has led you to not only change your life and have a different outcome, but also reflect on on things that are useful for all of us. And just your being able to tell that story, I mean, is incredible.

Christian (30:10.242)
Yeah.

Garrick (30:34.352)
incredibly impactful and we'll thank you for that very much. But anyway, back to immersive learning environments and escape rooms.

Christian (30:44.804)
I think again, it was MacGyver's ghost inspiring me. But to paint a picture, when I did this escape game designing room, I had this condition. I wasn't over it. So I had this fear of, well, how will I end up? Well, tomorrow will I wake up and my eyes blind again or I'm blinded again or I get paralyzed in a leg and all that. That was kind of my

my daily routine to wake up and worry and then manage myself to other states. So there was real training and being curious and solution oriented. And then I had the idea, well, can we somehow transfer this into learning applications? Because I studied, I'm a former

former physics and chemistry teacher, so I studied learning and pedagogy. And I was always so bored with classical teaching and I did want to change it. that transferring process kind of was inspired by MacGyver and being curious. And then I didn't invent the escape game concept and I didn't either invited for the

pedagogical department but just transfer back to chemistry and physical education because well that's how I grew up I watched him doing those unusual things solving problems with nothing at hand and I learned so much about it and that inspired me to can we create this consciously can we create an environment that is fun that feels like a play to people where they just go about it and learn stuff

And so what we created was...

Christian (32:45.892)
We designed a complete room, like a hall, a storage room with locks and barriers and key chains and all, no, not key chains, with chains to tie different areas, to lock different areas. And the students need to try some chemical and physical experiments with that. For instance, find a...

find out about the voltage of a lemon battery. And if it's in that area, it is the digit one for the lock. And so they combined all those experiments and gathered all those numbers to open up the locks section by section to end up in the very middle or center of that area where there was, of course, sweets, snacks, candy and all that.

and the final key to get out of it. And the feedback from the two test groups we had was amazing. did really, really well. They enjoyed so much, well, being in that room and working collaboratively together, which they did, and being creative together, because they had to. Some experiments were designed in a way that they needed two or three persons working together on one problem.

Otherwise, they wouldn't get the answer. Like someone's holding a rope and another one is turning a toggle later on so that it would create kind of a ripple effect in that design. Just to get that number, of course. And all that included into some chemical or physical experiments, which was, of course, the reason we wanted to make chemistry or physics education fun and just don't let people

Finish it. Inspired was it by the idea that people actually like to go into escape rooms? I didn't know about it before that, but the idea was just that was maybe my me being creative. Can we use that already existing concept just for educational purposes?

Simon Brown (35:03.426)
And this was in the context of school-age kids, college-age kids. was the audience.

Christian (35:08.26)
Both. Tenth grade and then above. Yeah. And I also did it then when I also gave my own lectures in my PhD phase for chemistry students. And I taught the concept to teachers in Germany in a reduced form. So how can we transfer that into a daily classroom business?

Garrick (35:39.407)
It's fascinating, the idea of the different ways of teaching, different ways of getting the point across, especially in the new world that we're inhabiting. And one of the things you mentioned earlier was AI. What is your view on AI and how that's going to impact or is impacting the learning environment or what changes are coming to us that you perhaps...

have some insight on.

Christian (36:10.136)
Yeah, thank you so much for the question. I think we feel it, that it kind of changes the way how we think or how we need to think. And it isn't a new thing. It was the same with the calculator when it emerged, when it came, that we need, well, we had an assistance to not write those equations on a paper and we could accelerate our process, but it kind of changed.

skills we have and I think the same is true for AI, that it changes the skills that we have. And if we do it consciously I think it is very helpful. If we don't do it consciously I think it can be quite challenging for us or for our future. For AI we don't have to come up with the ideas in such a way that we have to really think about how many

maybe 100 ways how we can teach that topic in a classroom or in company for the L &D department. But we have to understand the implications of the answers that AI gives us. So if it comes up with 100 ideas, we still have to make sense out of them. And we have to think more strategic, in my opinion, instead of being

tactical. So guiding this intelligence in a way that we want, but not just accept all the answers that it gives us. We can also of course use it to teach people about critical thinking and creative thinking as well, because there are two dimensions to it, the divergent and convergent.

thinking and we can use it to create a learning path with them. I did so in a coaching program I gave to ask the group.

Simon Brown (38:14.724)
All right.

Christian (38:19.864)
How can AI be your coach? can you create or pre-frame the AI to coach you based on the knowledge that we gathered in the educational training to coach you through that particular topic, but on the methods that we used? So they had to kind of teach the skills to another entity, which was really good for learning. And then they could benefit from the fruits and...

They kind of were very creative in that aspect. And we can go very deep into all the different applications of AI because I'm really a fan of playing around with it.

Simon Brown (39:04.58)
Yeah, you and us both, so it's certainly where we're spending a lot of our thinking time at the moment. Maybe on that, you've described yourself as being hugely curious, fascinated by the MacGyver influences as well that have appeared throughout your career, but what, at the moment, are you most interested in or most curious about? where is your curiosity being pointed at the moment?

Christian (39:29.124)
I'm really intrigued by how society, not society, is it? Economics will change with the current Trump region. So I liked America for quite some time. I've been there, I have friends there. And I see the impact of

his decisions on German economic, German economy, like the auto mobile economy is really suffering from the solar but please I don't know the English word for that. The the fee that you have to pay. Yes, that's and about 102,000 people were laid off.

Garrick (40:16.238)
tariffs. Yeah.

Simon Brown (40:16.462)
The tariffs, yes.

Christian (40:26.414)
due to these changes, because the automotive industry isn't sure where it's going, where it's heading. And I find it very interesting to look into this future, how is German economy changing based on the decisions of one man in another country? And what are the connections and the interactions of this global

economy, political decisions and how am I as Christian in Berlin being impacted by them? well, one thing is prices on butter and milk and orange juice are increasing. So there we can see that and I cannot change it, of course, but I'm really curious about how it all will play out.

Garrick (41:22.222)
Well, Christian, we'd love to spend more time talking with you, but we have to bring it to a close and I'm going to ask you...

Just to think about one thing, one thing you'd like to leave our list with, what would that be? But before you answer that, I'm going to try to summarize. Now, this is something that Simon I've learned. I've learned from Simon. He's pretty good at this and I still do my best. But some of the things you've talked about with us today in this fascinating conversation has been from how you move from physics and science to art and creative thinking and specifically your coaching, but also how that

impacts decision making. And you talked about how you solve complex problems using creativity. And you think it's a required skill for solving wicked problems or things. And reason being because in order to navigate through these complex worlds, we need to use creative problem solving. And we need to look at the people, which you said, and look at the people that we're working with and without understanding.

trying to get underneath what their preferences are and what makes them make the decisions they do and how does that impact us all together. We talked about the practical application of the hands-on and being hands-on and how that impacts us and then we talked about not self-censoring.

and not being afraid of the questions that we ask and asking the questions through the brainstorming and the evaluation. You said it's okay to go crazy and try and encourage leaders to allow people to go crazy and to ask the difficult questions. We talked about diversity and how that goes hand in hand and we need the diversity to take us beyond ourselves.

Garrick (43:10.294)
And curiosity is really so much about different people and learning from them. And you said something which really has stayed with me, which I think is really one of my take-homes, is that the quality of our questions leads to the outcomes in our lives.

which if I just reflect on that for a moment is an enormous statement and which is rings so true that the quality of our questions leads to the quality of the outcomes of our lives. And you've demonstrated that in your own life and not accepting a diagnosis and not allowing yourself to be put into a common medical protocol. You went outside and you were curious and you came across different protocols which have led to life changing results for you. And this thing about the quality of our question leads to

the quality of our life is extremely profound, think, and really telling it is really resonating with me. But then how can we transform our current situation is based on what those outcomes we're looking for and how we bridge the gap. We of course talked about vitamin D, which I'm going to do some more research about because I think there must be something in it. I didn't know that it regulates 10 % of our genetics, which is astonishing.

I thought it was just the sunshine vitamin, but you're talking about it being one of the regulating hormones, which I really want to learn more about. Go on along. You talked about the question making and how we...

need to learn and appreciate the classical learning. You talked also about some of your explorations in learning and pedagogy and really making physical experiences and labyrinths and escape rooms where you've proved that by creating these learning paths in these physical environments creates for a phenomenal learning experience, which of course then has impacts for AI and our conversation around what AI is doing to the learning journey and the learning paths and how

Garrick (45:10.896)
how we can...

ask better questions because of AI and we can also teach other entities frameworks which of course has a, it changes the way that we learn but you talk about it as a impact, a positive opportunity for new learning across the board, organisations, schools and so on. I mean it's so fascinating talking to you and it's brilliant hearing your own stories. So Christian, if there's one thing you'd like to leave our listeners with, what would it be?

See you.

Christian (45:45.924)
Well, can I piggyback your show?

Garrick (45:49.23)
for sure.

Christian (45:50.69)
Well, it is, stay curious. Or, well, if you aren't, allow yourself your inner curiosity to come out. Because that changed all the things in my life. But I didn't realize it until I needed it the most.

Garrick (46:10.382)
Christian Kressman, absolutely fascinating talking with you. Thank you for coming on the Curious Advantage. We had a great conversation. Thank you.

Simon Brown (46:19.524)
Thank you.

Christian (46:21.56)
Thanks to you guys.

Garrick (46:23.31)
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