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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Mera, radio entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm playing Santa Claus is coming to town, which is probably, uh, ill advise because he came to town last week, but it is a Christmas extra.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you got everything you wanted, Maddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did everything in more, um, everything in more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love hearing that, I love happiness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a Michael Mary's show, Extra, Gerald Buddy Rob, and this is as literal treat for me, because I often bemoan the fact that so many people I've hired have eclipsed me in their scope of their career, but none, I'm more proud of than Maddie Massiello, who is now the executive editor of The New York Times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I get that right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually I run the whole near you run the whole outfit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am the whole great lady That's fit and I'm glad you got that promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Maddie you're running What is your title?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what has to do with the New York Times podcast division?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I am the technical operations manager toward the audio team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it and you got your start I guess you started almost concurrently with the micromarish show and the jack diamond show Because I remember when you were doing both internships at the same time

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was working at Mix Leno some in three as like a promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's there's no better job in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say lots of running around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a lot of being a radio promotions person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, by the time you got to it, it wasn't like when I was doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When one of the jobs was driving the town around when they were drinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, the goal was to be the person drinking and have someone else drive you, and I got there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's a wonderful career, this radio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, but I did, I used to have to like drive the radio car around, but like a fun talked about me, and I have really bad road rage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, they could have asked me to stop driving because the car would be wrapped like advertising the station, and they want people walking at others while promoting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's cleaner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bad look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's even worse than how's my driving call this number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're actually telling them what station that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and then I would get in DC's littered with all the speed cameras, and then I would get a couple tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it really wasn't the job for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a friend I knew in college after much much he worked so hard he got a job at the classic rock station and their excel 102 and in exchange for doing like one overnight weekend shift he would do promotions work during the week and he if one of his first gigs was the classic rock camper I believe is what they called it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: such a bad industry and he took out the classic rock camper to go to like a chili cookoff or something and went under and overpass and took all the broadcast gear right off the top of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sheared it right off on his first day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, They did not get fired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not get fired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not get fired, but he felt really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him feeling so bad about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it prevented people from hearing Excel 102 not in retrospect, not really such a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What year did you intern for the micro-marish show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you came on when we were, you never came to a living room studio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were always a DC intern, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm always in DC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're asking me to do math now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I interned when I was in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think I was like a sophomore in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been like 2015.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then off your college and then I think I worked there after I graduated and then stayed on until I was probably like 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so like seven years, a good amount of times, because you were doing double duty, you were uh, interning for the Michael Marasho and pretty much invented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: our social presence on the TikTok and the Instagram and all that stuff because you would edit our videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We always did try to stay at least a step ahead and I think video presentation on a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were one of the first ones to litter the socials with that and you were amazing at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of your, I can think of two amazing pieces of work, the fruitcake video, which is still out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we could upload that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the night in the wax museum video,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot how creepy that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the worst.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and now, I don't know what this says about me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, if you're a new listener, I'm really only really scared of two things, and that are bats and wax museums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was an ad online that you could spend the night at Madame Tuso's wax museum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and sleep among the figures saying it now gives me the creeps again and i brought it up as a bad idea and i got peer pressured into doing it with three other so marvellous broadcasters and we've got to take the whole thing um... and maddie put together great presentation it was really great

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob, no, I'm mocking such a deep memories where I completely, I remember the fruit cakes like I have, I think every like no member, some sort of like trauma response every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't make any, I didn't make any of this year as a time that away from me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm so sorry, so yeah, so you'll get your your traditional text about dates next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I didn't get a tease this evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the wax museum I had completely blocked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was me, pony, Rob Ford, and Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny can't doubt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had his own catchphrase at Podville, which was Johnny know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but Johnny gets because he went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do remember that Johnny one time wanted to write copy for the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, can I write it for the drink mix?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said liquid for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, no, that's liquid IV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Roman numerals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like intravenous Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you spend a good time at Podville or then Podville media and then the Michael Marishow as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you have any favorite memories?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to mine you, you know, for this sort of gooey's sort of beautiful stuff, but it is Christmas, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like overall probably the live shows in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Top, top, the chart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like those were really, that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: baddie tatties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the live show was fun, but not as fun as just getting in a gang and going around free monster eating gambling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel like I remember he says like you and me, the golden nugget, probably we think, quite too much money, but it was, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite memory if I, because I know you care, it's sort of two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is nicer than the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The nice one is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day, the company used to buy lunch for everybody pretty frequently and we'd all meet in the conference room and we'd talk and, you know, jaw as they say in the south.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes watch what was the show where the guy and the girl had sex in the windmill and it was a contest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it that wasn't the golden bachelor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the bachelor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was the normal bachelor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were regular bachelor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OG as the kids would say the OG bachelor and so I had very little interest in the reality programming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Maddie and I would just talk and make up stories about stuff we done in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people laughed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a few people that believed them all, which always surprised me, that is a beautiful memory, but I think my favorite memory is, and I'll not say any names, but when Podville Media was at its peak of having a lot of employees, there was a lot of youths, and these youths loved talking about themselves because they were great, and, you know, I've been at this for a long time,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're in sort of like what we would call the bullpen which is a circle of computers and everyone is talking about how great they are and Maddie and I start texting each other really really mean things about these employees and you would lie all the time to make up stories we would text but I do recall being called into a meeting both of us and say guys don't be mean girls

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a flat on the wrist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, like the meanness that you and I had wrong was like kind of the light hardened mean when like, yeah, there was other meanness going on around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a situation comedy kind of meanness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what you would get on full house?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they were at the one to really need it a talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I agree, I agree, but we were always sort of, I think we were the best at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't lie, but I always enjoyed working with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved also another thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just did last week a show where I spotlighted some of my favorite promos over the last 15 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd forgotten how great your serial promos were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ones that parity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the show that invented podcasting serial?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you were interviewing for the show or you had just started, and you recorded something, and I ran, and I went to Oscar, I said, she sounds just like the serial lady, and he said, what do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, well, you know, serial, and I said, if we were to write her something that sounded like from serial, it would be the show, and I came to you, and you actually wrote all those, and they were fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think you were a genuinely large,

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[SPEAKER_00]: crocheted panel in the quilt of the bicomaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, that's very sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to me, that's like really a full circle thing for me because that now I work somewhat regularly with sericanic from theory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy because the times acquired cereal a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they recorded our videos and we support them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it like listening to yourself?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I mean, she tells me all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maddie, I lived here for almost on the microwave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone loves us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, people think cereal was a big cereal happened because of the micro mesh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But moving on, you have a couple holiday stories that are my favorites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, I think only one of them has to do with the holidays, but the other two are fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we can start and I'd love telling my mom this story because she thinks it's wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have not brought up the fact that your father,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was for a good long time the mayor of the city of Buffalo and well known and I will say this I've talked to people independent of knowing you that are from Buffalo he's below let's yes, he was below there being and very well known and it forgive me I can't think of his first name is a mic tone of course it's Tony hey, Tony Masziello and could you tell the story of when you were at a

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you were not yet 21 and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so great and it's just one punchline, but you are overserved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if you can please tell that tale, I would love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I was probably going into my senior year of high school and back of the day in Buffalo that would have these, like every Friday, I think during the summer, they would have the big outdoor concerts, like right on the waterfront.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a really good kind of summer, activity that everybody would kind of go down there for and they would have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with trucks there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like really, really like the things to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get down there and honestly what time I get down there, I probably am already in that shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you put a game to pre-game, to pre-game into a little too close to the side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how has thing that I beg I remember is like passing out on a bolder and like on the side of a stage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know security kind of picks me up from

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[SPEAKER_01]: and puts me in the back of an ambulance, and I don't make it, I don't actually have to go to the hospital side or I want to say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, that's what we call the silver lining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, but some am in the back of this ambulance and people of, you know, they're calling my dad to pick me up and I hear that, you know, my dad's on on his way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I look at this EMT in the back, treating me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like my own version of, do you know who I am?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I look at you and he said, and I'm like, you're gonna laugh when you see who it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't confirm nor deny, but I don't think anybody left when they saw who it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, well, so, so many, you know, what is comedy, but tragedy, what's time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know where that came from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why me felt the need to flex like that, but apparently I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, if you're in the state of mind that you're passing out on a rock, you're probably not at your best level of judgment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was unfortunate, but yeah, I got picked up from the ambulance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I continued to hurry up in my backyard for more tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, I believe there's still a plaque at the Mayor's Mansion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take a brief break and when we come back, really, my two favorite holiday stories of them all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Michael Mary Show Extra with Maddie Massello, in turn, Hall of Famer, and we're back after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Matti, just how Italian are the maciello's?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a good question, actually Rob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we say half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, my dad's signed 100% Italian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've never... With a name like Tony Maciello, it does not surprise me that you would be pure Italian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never done like a 23 in me because we feel like if my dad finds out he's anything less than a hundred percent Italian he'll have like an identity crisis and we don't want that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't give you that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Mayor, you're Swiss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I mean, it just can't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you've got your Italian heritage, which you are very proud of, and you should be as a matter of fact in the Michael Mariff family show cookbook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You submitted the Tiramisu, and I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to make it this holiday season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're recording ahead of time, so people know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't even knocked down the White House yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: don't kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're recording this a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's build up to the story of the glass table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you would, now this one, this story is magical to me because you told it so off-handedly, I almost thought it was one of our line games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you told this story, but I can picture it clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were both at computers right there in the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about your father.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buffalo is when you think, Buffalo, you don't necessarily think that it is a town of friends of ours, if you know what I mean, you know, or crime that is not disorganized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't tend to think of that, but there in any big city, you're going to have some mob action, some mafia action, and because your father who was, by the way, a crystal pure, driven snow politician, no involvement with the mob, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to encounter and it was definitely a facet of running the city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, I give it to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually, I don't even think this, this is where it takes place in New York, actually, I think, which was even more of like a mop hub at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll leave, but he, he's at a, he's at a restaurant in Yubica, and I think it's like straight off the godfather, like it's like the red game of table clocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really big, like heavy bar, and sitting at the bar, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like kind of money is on business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's there alone and the sky is next to him and he keeps telling my dad about how much he likes his time And like his next try.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the first one is like like I can very much I don't even know what the the title looks like to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should find that out

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if you were to look into the microfiche, you could probably go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil the ending.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where it's those, but my dad's like, thank you and it's guy like keeps going on throughout the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I'm just going to go that side and after all my notes like you like the tires so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to give it to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like Frank Sinatra would do or Jim Nance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Classroom all around class again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well people should know that at the end of every CBS golf run yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Nance gives his tie to a child.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like Jim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was I wish I was kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he gives him the next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has some of the next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't begin anything of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think like months go by at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my dad's back in Buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no longer in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just in his office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like reading the papers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like on the front page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, big New York state mob boss taken down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a picture of this same man who was at the restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shot dead, taken out because he's his big mom boss and in the pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's wearing my dad's tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who, you know, we don't, who's the maid?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the tie had anything to do, was that anything?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it probably saved your father's life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what happened is another mob was said, I hate that tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that tie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hate that tie, hate that tie, hate that tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so that's part of the family war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I love that story and and good to know that your father lived and he mostly goes with an open collar nowadays Yes, he's never worn a tides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now This next story will be our final story today and I appreciate you guys staying with us because this one was worth the wait this was If I'm not mistaken, it started out as sort of a holiday gone wrong, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or am I am my misremembering

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a holiday gone wrong, it was the Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, definitely go right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, it's true enough, true enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it started out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a normal Thanksgiving, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I guess, outset, I'll set the scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to you in my house, and usually pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like we talked about a big Italian family and usually like 40, 40-packed people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I do have a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard the tradition that in some houses, and I'd get this from Doc Severance, and who's been not on television for a thousand years, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: he liked he used to say he liked lasagna for Thanksgiving and instead of turkey I'm wondering is that an Italian-American thing did you guys ever have lasagna at your Thanksgiving?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's creepy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought so crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, the maciella is we're fast to assimilate, which is why you fit in and took control of buffalo politics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lasagna are Christmas Eve maybe, but like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is thanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a traditional turkey and mashed potatoes Thanksgiving traditional Thanksgiving, but so like Thanksgiving to me has always been like the kind of beef and we have like big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like it because there are less responsibilities than pulling off Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to put up a tree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to wrap present.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just focused on food and the feeling that it's a beautiful thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so because it means so much to me, I'm in college at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And dear friend of mine, she...

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[SPEAKER_01]: lived in California and she wasn't going to go home for the holidays because there was to be where in D.C. and it was just going to be too far for her to go for like kind of a performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hey, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My Thanksgiving is always so wholesome and lovely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you, you should come up to Buffalo and blend it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I see you all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly forgot there was an outsider there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes it so much tastier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she was like, oh my God, I'm up to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'd dry him up to the top of the lower.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Having a great time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's there for Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All is going according to plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're everyone's on the best behavior except for I am like a bunch of little like boy cousins running around and the two stars of the show Are Giovanni who's like probably right who I want to say it's like probably six Hey Giovanni and now Giovanni is 58.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Joey, who I want to say is like nine or 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why I'm leaning on that, especially this year, but I just it all comes together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like they just were then like usual for like young good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like really warehousing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a large family too, and when we get together, there are subsets within the family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sort of under 10 subsets, they will grab onto each other, and they'll make a David.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they will argue and fight and rough house and rassal and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that's foreign to any family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like there's a couple of times like I think my mom's like especially because like when there's like Cooking going on a kitchen and like there's we put out the food like on a buffet with like a chicken dishes So like there's a lot of going right it's like so I think multiple people would like yell at them to stop at certain points but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you guys don't mess around and we can't have the kids messing around either, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally, um, but they just like would not stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but dinner goes off, you know, without a hitch, everything's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I think at this point, it's kind of like the wall between dinner and desserts, where everybody's kind of just like digesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're watching football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, doing the squares, the figuring out who's going to make all of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go upstairs for like five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then all of a sudden I were you escaping like the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you what drove you to go upstairs?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably was a skit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably just needed like two minutes to myself, you know, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you're all a young to have that sort of mature attitude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I live a life of I need two minutes now, but that's good for a college kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but all the sudden upstairs, and I hear the loudest crash come from underneath me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after the crash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it was much bigger than that, but that's what I had handy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so big, and like, but after the crash,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After the crash there's like three seconds of silence, which was the boss haunting park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like start to run downstairs and then like the crash was coming from one end of that house and everybody was on the other end of the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like watching the the stampede and the Lion King afterwards of like everybody rushing rushing to where the crash

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like all the adults.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was Giovanni and Joey in this one room where the crash was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what had happened was Giovanni, I guess, pushed Joey onto this glass table and the living room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Joey and so Joey fell through the last table, it shattered from underneath him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Joey gets up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He stands up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he sees that

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[SPEAKER_01]: stuck in his side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we haven't even had dessert yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't even had dessert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like pretty lodged into his side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they like, my aunt rushes into the bathroom, saying he's like leaving a trail of blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giovanni is like sobbing, like in control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just know what to do because he only says he's going up the river.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's dad like scoop them into another room to like calm him down.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just like commotion everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're trying to figure out what to do with the glass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's like calling an ambulance to figure out what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to stop the bleeding all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so why that's happening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very, again, we got to stick with the names because everybody's name is about to be big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a big, big and little neck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Little bit is Joey Fab, and Big Vick is Vick's Fab.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Joey is grandfather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Big Vick is older, like maybe at this point 60s, 70s maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Big Vick says to Little Mick about Joey, well, it's a good thing he's so fat, or else it would have, it would have lasted it in his liver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was it a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, valid if not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How, how, how round is Joey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Husky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Julie now is like 17th and that like, like, like, great looking kid that all were done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you tell this story again next year, could we have him with us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to get his counterpoint on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would be like a buy, like wicked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know the Wizard of Oz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Want to know the buy in the scene?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can ask him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he'd like, we've never talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of much trauma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he remembers it, but probably a little with a little less levity than we're giving it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so if he hadn't been so fat, he probably would be

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[SPEAKER_01]: it probably would have like scats his liver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I don't have children, but like, that's not what I want to hear when my fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like bleeding out on things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like not helpful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not helpful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not helpful comment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now that the corner are fighting, like, truly like going at like little vix like

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[SPEAKER_01]: you dad like that's that's not but that's all what I want to hear right now and then they just like how Jerry told me like at the off like on her father and like they're just like totally like training and each other and that like my answer like trying to like help Joey who's like now that he's gonna die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now question, while Vick Vick is going on, and that's this is the only time of the year I get to use that phrase.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vick Vick, I imagine there's a general amount of commotion in addition to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with them yelling, it's really just sort of sealing the deal that this is hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's how and then also the one other thing people are funny about is like that week or something like the new children's hospital in Buffalo had just opened um so like people didn't know if they should send him to the children's hospital so now people are fighting about which hospital he should go to like it just was absolutely you guys can agree on anything but eventually like the fire department came

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like really relieved that nobody had taken the glass shard out of his side that it was still in and so they took him away And I think Joey had spent the night in the hospital, which he woke up in the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next day was his birthday

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you like woke up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many wrinkles and layers to this now, forget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he had to have his side staples and all the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the, again, the kicker was a big go back to this story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole time, my friend from college is at my house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See you later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I promised her like a really nice, like family Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she, like being like the angel that she has, she didn't know what she's like to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because while my whole family was a big, be big is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, like you Joey's bleeding out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was just like, I didn't know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just started putting on the food away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like when it names off, like do like she's the best, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is that kind of thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this is an extraordinary circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's very, very rarely children getting stabbed at a family get together for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you bring a guest to a big get together like that, and I've done this myself

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[SPEAKER_00]: you become painfully aware that stuff that you would just let roll off your shoulders is ah, that's my family is really weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way your family operates is, you know, or my family or anyone's family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's isolated from other families.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you started to realize that this poor girl traveled to see this, you have to feel some sympathy or embarrassment or how are you feeling?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, well, I think she did understand that, not every year, somebody in my family got staffed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was an understanding, but yeah, well, that would be not the time to tell her about the tie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leave that out of it at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but like I think there was not that it was funny, but like there was a part of her that like was, and we still talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is a, this is a funny story in like my circle of friends, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's a legendary story as far as I did Joey get to keep the shard of glass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't ask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't ask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this will have to find out for next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if not, I was, I've been looking on eBay for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he, so Joey, again, is mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes to Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think Thanksgiving is like his favorite holidays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is resilient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Jim, no, what did you say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's fun to Thanksgiving in or out since I'm going to be totally up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, would you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I would have a reputation to uphold, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, I'm going to say that I'm going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie, that is true, that's story, all those stories, truly, things of beauty and remember if nothing else to take away, please don't wear a necktie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wear a necktie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wear a necktie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't wear a necktie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't wear a necktie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love talking to you so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, Maddie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for coming back and doing this and the next time you're in DC, please Lunches or dinners on me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We we have we have much to discuss a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talks out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and also people should know that you still hear Maddie's voice on the show every day One more make sure you check out the Michael Maribona show get it at Michael Marishow.com

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mattie, I hope you had a Merry Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you all the best for 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope our paths can cross.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk you next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye bye.