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Speaker: [00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome to the Mr Pick, me and the Man Hater Show. Why are you counting me down?

Speaker 2: What was

Speaker: that for?

Speaker 2: Like television.

Speaker: I was

Speaker 2: talking

Speaker: be like,

Speaker 2: I know, but I was already my mind. That's what's gonna happen.

Speaker: I thought you were gonna do something dumb at the end. When it got to one, I was like, oh God,

Speaker 2: no.

Speaker: Uh, I was being counted down by Checo even though I was speaking. Uh, welcome. A

Speaker 2: video delay. I did it before you started, just

Speaker: as there's clearly not no visual delay. Yeah. Welcome to our podcast.

Speaker 2: Hey.

Speaker: Oh my God. Visual prank. The phantom is here.

Speaker 2: This isn't me, it's the Phantom.

Speaker: Oh,

Speaker 2: this is how the Phantom talks.

Speaker: Is it

Speaker 2: the fantom of the Aara inside?

Speaker: [00:01:00] I will not be your Christine, and I need you to know that

Speaker 2: I don't, you know, do you wanna hear something embarrassing? Yes. As a musical theater, I've never seen Phantom, the Opera.

I'm gonna see it live later this year.

Speaker: I've seen it. So many I've seen,

Speaker 2: I know the Mu, I've heard all the music a million times, but I've never actually seen,

Speaker: I've seen the Gerard Butler version. I saw it on Broadway. I was very shocked because. Like the musical version. He's very almost angelic. He has like a beautiful mm-hmm.

Just, just like ethereal voice. Mm-hmm. And then of course there was the j Gerard Butler version, which was like, yeah, sing Shall Get With Me. Like the rocker version, which I loved. I I was a big Dard Butler fan, which is odd.

Speaker 2: Okay. I wanna see it. I'm gonna see it live. It's gonna be at the Pantages and we're gonna get tickets to go this year to see.

Speaker: It's, it's good. I mean the whole idea of it as you get older is a bit odd 'cause it's like, I'm your dad. Just kidding. I am in love with you. You should come into my [00:02:00] Dun. I

Speaker 2: do have a favorite Phantom

Speaker: Who,

Speaker 2: even though I've never seen it. Rae Kalu.

Speaker: Who? Rae

Speaker 2: Kalu or Ramen Ramin. I think it's Rameen. I don't

Speaker: know.

Speaker 2: You know who Rae Kalu is?

Speaker: Sorry. I'm really bad with actors names.

Speaker 2: He's like, or theater. Arguably the, the best Broadway singer of all time. Arguably I was Oh, oh, shit. You could, you could literally say 10 different people and put and, and make a good case for

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: Them being that, but like, his, his voice is pretty good.

Like, it's like one of those ones you're like,

Speaker: God damn,

Speaker 2: like ev like the way, it's just, yeah. Mm-hmm. I would say, uh, you know, do you have a favorite Broadway, uh, actor?

Speaker: Broadway actor?

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Mm. I still like Adina Menzel. I know that's,

Speaker 2: yeah.

Speaker: A cliche one, but that was like the first time I heard somebody's voice and I was like.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Can people sing like that?

Speaker 2: That's, that, is that allowed?

Speaker: I was just like, [00:03:00] sweet Jesus. Which she, she could like her belt. Mm-hmm. How like far she can belt? Mm-hmm. Like, like it was just, and like more, oh God, Maureen. I just, the whole thing.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: So that was when she was in rent, because, you know, gay awakenings and things.

Right. I was like, oh, the, um, take me or leave me. I was like, mm-hmm. What's happening? What is happening? But, uh, yeah, she, I just had never, I'd never heard anybody sing like that before. Mm-hmm. So I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Audra McDonald is good too, obviously,

Speaker 2: but Aaron, I don't, I'm so bad with saying their names.

I always like know their, I've raid their names on like, it's, uh, Aaron, uh, t ve tit. T-V-I-E-E-I-T-I

Speaker: dunno,

Speaker 2: is an amazing voice. Uh. Like Norm Lewis. Have you heard Norm Lewis? He, he had a, he I really enjoyed his, uh, he played, um, uh, JVE. Not Jve. No, it Jve. Wow. My God. I'm like, I'm like losing all,

Speaker: I dunno.

Speaker 2: Uh, [00:04:00]

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Jve. Jve, he played Jve on, uh, on Miz.

Speaker: Ooh.

Speaker 2: Jave Jve. Um, he played a bunch of other stuff too, but that's, that's one of my favorite ones of his, uh, I always, I know him all from my clips from YouTube because I'm not, I'm on, I'm in California, so I don't get to go to Broadway and actually watch these things.

That's, um, but yeah, Sutton Foster is one of my favorites. Just because when, uh, I was, she Oh, I know. There's the, the, but like from as far, I'm talking about just purely from

Speaker: my face, immediately drops. Hugh Jackman. You shut up a bitch.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker: I just, I wish she wasn't connected to it.

Speaker 2: I know.

Speaker: Because now people don't even recognize her talent and they're like, oh, you know Hugh Jackman's new girlfriend.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But then when I started dating my wife, she was playing thoroughly. She was playing Millie and that was right after Set Foster's run and thoroughly as thoroughly water milli. So that's why

Speaker: she's talented.

I'll give her that. I didn't [00:05:00] enjoy their clearly PR stunt swimming shoot that they did.

Speaker 2: I didn't even see that.

Speaker: Yeah. They're like, I, once I picked up on how often like the celebrities call the paparazzi on themselves.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like anytime, like, and they have like a movie coming out or something. Mm. You'll see them do a stage type of shoot.

Mm-hmm. And like, there's one with him and Sutton in the water, and they're like hugging. And the way they, I'm like, bitch, I've been in the ocean before when you were like, beat by waves. Like, nobody's just like get venting in the ocean, like by themselves. I was just like, stop it. You're looking it up, aren't you?

Speaker 2: No. Oh. Maybe.

Speaker: Oh,

Speaker 2: what was I googling it? Yes. No, I'm not. Yes. I'm here. I'm back in the show.

Speaker: You can see it, look at it and tell me it's not staged. How about

Speaker 2: that? Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It does feel very much like here are poses. Yeah,

Speaker: I know. I was like, I, [00:06:00] I haven't seen photos of myself from like, playing on the beach.

Speaker 2: I know, I know.

Speaker: That is not what it looks like, but,

Speaker 2: um,

Speaker: you know. We'll, we'll let that one slide.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: For right now.

Speaker 2: I don't also, Norman Leo Norman nor Leo Buttz. You know, the guy, uh, Norman, Leo Buttz Butts. He doesn't get enough, uh, credit for being a amazing singer too. He was, I think he was the first one on, uh, in like, in, in Wicked, uh, to play the, the Prince.

Speaker: I'm just getting butts. I don't want that

Speaker 2: BUTZ, just so you know.

Speaker: Oh, well that will help.

Speaker 2: But I was, I was sad he didn't have any sort of a cameo in the movie because he was, you know, all the rest of 'em. Got it. But no love for Norman. No love for Norman. Did I say that in a pre show? I was watching a, uh, uh, like a montage of

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: All the guys that played piano and I'm just like, riveted. I was like, I'm not turning away. I'm in love. A single one of these. Like, am I, I I, I, I really, there's [00:07:00] something about like powerful performers that I just find so attractive regardless of gender. Like I'm just like. Woo. Oh my, my gosh. Uh, that is the most like genderless, uh, attraction I can feel towards somebody is when I see someone like rock a performance on stage.

I'm like, that was, you were, you were amazing.

Speaker: I'm in love with you now.

Speaker 2: Um,

Speaker: that's fair.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is our first show after of the new year. Even though this will be the second show of the new year that people are hearing because we recorded an episode and forgot that we did

Speaker: the holidays. Goddess,

Speaker 2: our kids are home.

Speaker: It's a nightmare.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't mean like our kids, 'cause people always are like, you guys are married. That's your wife, right?

Speaker: Yeah. Why are you in Shepherd Roofs

Speaker 2: our separate children in different states to different spouses? We are married to both to a woman. So

Speaker: there's,

Speaker 2: that's there's one thing [00:08:00] we have in common.

Speaker: The only thing we have in common,

Speaker 2: the only thing is that we both like women. After I went on a tangent of saying how attracted I was to,

Speaker: to men,

Speaker 2: all the fieros.

Speaker: That's a separate category.

Speaker 2: No, I, I do think that

Speaker: the women and Fiero,

Speaker 2: yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm attracted to Women and Fiero. Mm-hmm. That's, that's my sexuality.

Speaker: Hey, I'm attracted to imaginary men like characters, but a

Speaker 2: asexual

Speaker: in real life, I'd be like, ah,

Speaker 2: yeah. Oh no.

Speaker: Get away from me. So

Speaker 2: it's

Speaker: okay.

Speaker 2: So yeah, we're back. We're back baby.

Speaker: We're back baby.

Speaker 2: So, uh, we are, uh, going to make sure we get a weekly show out to everybody this year. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: That's our promise.

Speaker: Will we stick to it?

Speaker 2: Who knows? Yeah. That's the goal though. No, we, we'll, the goal is to have a weekly show, and even if we have to have like guest hosts, uh, we will treat this like a real podcast and not just like a, uh. [00:09:00] Something that Reagan and I use do to excuse having a two hour, uh, gossip Fest talk for Rant Fest online therapy sessions every week.

Speaker: So true

Speaker 2: that we,

Speaker: I would love if you did an episode by yourself, because I just can't imagine how it would unravel. I

Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I feel like I need, I need you to keep, like, or is another person to like bounce stuff off to. 'cause I could talk, could I talk for an hour? Yeah.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: But like, I, but where

Speaker: would it end up?

Speaker 2: I, yeah. I don't know. It wouldn't be about the topic.

Speaker: It would not be the topic.

Speaker 2: No. We would leave the topic very quickly.

Speaker: We would end on childhood drama.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just, I'm crying at the end of it. Just

Speaker: you would too.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Like, anyways, that was our show.

Speaker 2: Show.

Speaker: Don't tell I said that

Speaker 2: to. Love you. What are, what are we talking about today, Reagan?

Speaker: I actually don't know. [00:10:00] It's your video.

Speaker 2: Today we are talking about, uh, someone that has a strong opinion about why women should be the ones proposing

Speaker: Oh,

Speaker 2: theme song.

Speaker 3: You want bad advice, man. I'll give it out. Glad I got some good advice for you. No, you don't know. You don't. I got some good advice for you.

Don't.

You don't.

Speaker: Ooh, boy. Which, hey, I've seen a lot of videos of women proposing lately.

Speaker 2: Yeah. We, there will be, uh, there's something I wanna point out after we play it for the audio listeners. I want to, I want to explain something that I think is a funny observation, uh, about this video. Uh, anyways. We'll, uh.

Speaker: What's,

Speaker 2: do you want

Speaker: me to play it?

Speaker 2: If you, I send it to you.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker 4: I genuinely believe women should propose to men. Here's why. Okay? Look at [00:11:00] what a girl gets to benefit from, from getting my hand in marriage. The question is, what do I benefit? What do I get? Right? If you look at it on paper, I risk losing half of everything I own. I risk having to pay spousal support, child support if it doesn't work out.

So like, I'm gonna go ask the woman to then have me buy the balls because if she walks away, I lose 50% of everything. Does that make sense to you guys? No. So women should prove to the man why you could trust her with having access to 50% of everything, and a certain percentage. By the way, in California it's almost 30% of your income.

For life. Okay, for life. Why? Why would I do that? You know, all the richest women in the world, all the billionaires, with the exception of like Taylor Swift and three others, okay? Every female billionaire became a billionaire by divorcing a guy. So why would these idiots [00:12:00] men go propose to a woman who literally risks it all?

You, you're risking your entire life's work for marriage. So I'm gonna beg her to take all my shit. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Women should propose to men and prove to men why they should even give them access to their world.

Speaker 2: I guess first off, to answer his question, he absolutely should never propose to.

I think that, I think we're all in agreement here that he, you know what? You're right. Should, in fact, you know what, buddy? It's not worth it. You wait. Stay away from women as long as possible. You wait and then you get, so my favorite observation. About this video is, is like he's talking on with his phone and he is like, look what I have to offer.

And he points it to his house. He is like, uh, the only thing I have to offer is not nothing about me is like, look at, look at all that I have to offer. [00:13:00] The camera goes away from you.

Speaker: Also, I'm pretty sure that's not his house. There's a bunch of dudes there.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: In the background, there's a bunch of men. I wouldn't be surprised if he like lives with people.

Do you know who he is?

Speaker 2: Uh, no. If

Speaker: he like lives with people or they've rented it out for content.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Wouldn't, would not be surprising at all would

Speaker: it? Because I'm like, why are there all these dudes in the background?

Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's who he really wants to marry. That's, that's who he wants to spend his time with.

Speaker: You know what? That is his dream woman. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: I really do think a lot of these videos I just might start responding to, why don't you guys just kiss each other? It was two guys just like talk, just kiss each other. That's what they want. You could sell. I hate, I hate, I hate women. I hate women. I hate

Speaker: Come here Brad.

Speaker 2: Brad. Lemme just talk to you. I love you so much, Brad. I

Speaker: saw I saw this interview and then we'll get back to this video.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: I saw this interview of this [00:14:00] guy and he's like, Ooh, what would you do if you were had a woman's body for five minutes?

Speaker 2: Oh, I saw this.

Speaker: Or, or, or whatever. You had a woman's body Day, day or something day.

Yeah. And the guy was like, oh, he had an accent. I'm not doing it. Um, but he is like, oh, I would, you know what I would do? I have a bunch of single guy friends. I would let them play with it boys. And it was like, wait, you wanna have sex with your guy friend? He was like, act like, 'cause I'm a true bro.

Speaker 2: I feel like I, that one I thought was pretty funny.

I actually thought that was like a DI, I couldn't

Speaker: tell

Speaker 2: he

Speaker: was serious

Speaker 2: because I didn't respond to that one. 'cause I, but I still, I was like, it feels like he's trying to be really funny. But it, but you're right. I think there's a greater truth there.

Speaker: I don't think he was joking. I think Don't so think because like, you're in the body, man, so.

Mm-hmm. Also, wait,

Speaker 2: I wish

Speaker: I, I'm like, did you just come out?

Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, Hey man, you know, like there was, uh, there, have you ever seen that one song that was like, uh, [00:15:00] if, uh, like if, if gay guys like butt sex, we have the same bodies, so it's okay if straight guys like butt things too or, so it's like that guy from um, what have you ever seen?

Hold on. I gotta find it now.

Speaker: No, I don't know that I wanna hear it.

Speaker 2: No, no. It's, it's funny, it's funny, it's a comedy, uh, thing.

Speaker: I shudder to think what you're looking up.

Speaker 2: I know. I'm worried my

Speaker: like butt stuff.

Speaker 2: I, but like if gay, if gay guys like butt stuff and that's,

Speaker: your algorithm's really about to change.

Speaker 2: I immediately went to something I shouldn't.

Um

Speaker: That's okay. I was looking up the butt guy and Butts came up

Speaker 2: anyways. Yeah. I don't, I can't find, but it's, I think it's uh, I think it's one of the tri like Grant from the tri guys. Isn't that what his name or is not Tri guy? No, no, it's not.

Speaker: I don't know the tri guys or I know them, but I don't like them, so I don't know that.

Speaker 2: Maybe it's not from the tri. I don't know. I mix up all the, the white comedian guys. All,

Speaker: most people do. [00:16:00] Its its song about, it's not gay to, but

Speaker 2: stuff, it's like if gay guys like butt stuff. Then we, it we like should, I don't remember what it was, but it's funny.

Speaker: Thank you for bringing this up.

Speaker 2: Somebody comment with what I'm talking, I know there's at least one person that knows what I'm talking about and has the capability of being like, oh yeah, that's why this one saved.

It's in my favorites. Um,

Speaker: oh man. What was the point of the song?

Speaker 2: The point was like, Hey buddy, if you let you know

Speaker: yeah.

Speaker 2: You have the capability of fucking your friends.

Speaker: If they also want to,

Speaker 2: you can let 'em hit if they want. No, no. Offer it up. But hey guys, you know. We could,

Speaker: it was just like, it was so funny 'cause he was like trying to come across as like red pill.

Like

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Like

Speaker 2: that's

Speaker: thought buddy. He had,

Speaker 2: I, I thought it had to be a joke because, but it, maybe it wasn't,

Speaker: I don't think it was, he looked really serious. Like, I think he thought it was saying like, I'm one of the bros. I let my, I like almost like if, if you had a woman that you'd offered up to her, but it was like, [00:17:00] you're a woman in this

Speaker 2: case.

Yeah. In this scenario, that is your body. This is not you becoming another woman, it's of you personally.

Speaker: Oh God,

Speaker 2: were a woman for that day.

Speaker: That's a slip. I think a little, that revealed a little bit more than I think he intended to. 'cause the guy was interviewing him, was like,

Speaker 2: oh, I, I really do think it's a new campaign.

Kiss your bros. Stop harming women, man. Just kiss your bros. Just

Speaker: kiss your Yeah.

Speaker 2: Stop. Like, you clearly don't like women.

Speaker: You hate women. Maybe you like men.

Speaker 2: Maybe. Maybe. I think, I do think a lot of these guys are like, there's, there's those that, that data that shows like some of the most hateful,

Speaker: I mean, are a lot of the most anti-gay people are gay.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Think that wouldn't

Speaker 2: be surprised.

Speaker: I, I don't, I don't want people to think we're casting it off like, oh, you're gay. But it's like,

Speaker 2: yeah.

Speaker: I think, I truly believe that sometimes men hate women so much and want to be men. So much envy men. Mm-hmm. Like [00:18:00] envy men's bodies. Think about men's bodies.

There's a point, a point at which it's like, where

Speaker 2: it's like, do you,

Speaker: are you more?

Speaker 2: And it's, and there's nothing. We're very pro gay.

Speaker: I know I am.

Speaker 2: Yeah. We're, I know. I mean, hey, apparently me too with fi. Yeah.

But like, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. Just like, like, let, let it, like, don't, don't, like, if, if your, if your choice is like to like be in these miserable relationships where you're harming women,

Speaker: right.

Speaker 2: Or just kiss your bros, you know, just kiss your bros, you know, just

Speaker: like that. Yeah. I mean, it makes you wonder like if you can hate women that much, are you attracted to them?

Speaker 2: Right. Right. That's, that's always been like my, where my mind goes. I'm like, there's a recent, like, I, like women, like of course, like I'm attracted to women, so of course I also want to be friends with, with women because I like women.

Speaker: It, it's almost like I'm, I'm attracted, the only thing I am [00:19:00] attracted to is like the physical.

Form. Mm-hmm. Like, that's it. But everything else about being a woman I hate. It's like, um,

Speaker 2: that doesn't, that doesn't track to me, though. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker: I, I don't understand it.

Speaker 2: No.

Speaker: I love women. I, I couldn't be me. There

Speaker 2: was somebody I got called to pick me in real life the other day because I, on threads, I mean, not really.

It's still threads, it's still in the internet, still threads. Uh, but it was somebody, somebody said, why don't, uh, why don't men have lesbian friends in the same way that, that, uh, women have gay friends. Mm-hmm. And I was like, my best friends lesbian. We a podcast together. And it was so, like, there were like one, it was, it was a joking, like, pick me call.

Like, okay, fucking checo. We get it.

Speaker: We get it. You're the best. You're

Speaker 2: not like the other men. Right. One person was like, you don't, you don't count.

Speaker: Yeah. Well, it's also because, uh, as a lesbian mm-hmm. Like [00:20:00] more often than not. The way that like, straight men will try and bond with me.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Unless they're like, actively have unpacked, you know, their shit.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: They'll try and like bond with me like a misogynist. Like, they'll try and like talk about women, like, yeah.

And I'm like,

Speaker 2: oh, you, you like women, so you must also hate women.

Speaker: I know we've talked about it, but

Speaker 2: I'm like, since you're sexually attracted to women, you must also hate them. Right. That's the, that's the,

Speaker: I'm like, oh no, that's, and I've, I've actually said that to them. I'm like, oh, I don't do that. I'm not about, that's not, that's wrong.

Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know what it's like to be the, uh, the victim of that kind of mentality. Yes,

Speaker: yes, I do. I'm like, I am a woman. I don't hate like,

Speaker 2: yes.

Speaker: But I think it's d like gay, gay men and straight women have a different

Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they absolutely do.

Speaker: Yeah. To like

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Energy. Uh, so, and it's also like straight men often are misogynist and that reflects in the way that they treat.

Even if you're a

Speaker 2: lesbian. I've had a, I've had a [00:21:00] lot of close friends to lesbians throughout the years, though. I mean, I mean,

Speaker: pick me, everybody

Speaker 3: pick me a clock.

Speaker 2: No, but I mean, it, it, I don't know. Most of my friends are women in general. Like, like I, but my two best friends in the world for most of my life have been men.

So it's not like I don't have male friends. But

Speaker: I mean, I think in my experience, lesbians are very quick to pick up on, uh, like misogyny. Especially, there's like a, like I know a lot of lesbians who are

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Very selective about the mm-hmm. Men, they like let in their circle and it's so, they, it's like it, you're outside of it.

Like, even me, like I was v when I was dating men, I was like so

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: In the midst of everything with men. Mm-hmm. And once I was out, like, it's like I could see things so much clearer, right? Like, it was much more easy, like easier for me to identify like bad behaviors and misogynistic behaviors for men.

And I think like a lot of lesbians are really quick to see it.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: [00:22:00] Because they don't have like the at attract, like they're not attracted to men, so there's not like, it's not playful or fun. Like, they're like, Ooh, I don't like that. And so I think it's, it's much harder. Like I think they're quick to be like, oh, nope, misogynist, bye bye get out.

So yeah. That's what

Speaker 2: I, no, that makes sense. And I, and I do think there's a, it goes back to the whole, uh, men not understanding how to have. Any sort of intimacy that's not sexual intimacy.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: And so it's like if you, if you can't, like, you have to have, be able to have platonic friendships with anybody that doesn't, don't go over it.

And if they're not having any platonic intimacy with their male friends mm-hmm. Then they also don't know how to have it with a woman that's not interested in them. And so that ends up, yeah.

Speaker: Uh, I remember when I had like, this best friend from work really liked this guy. Like, we were like, like ban, you know, like banter, like back and forth, joking, right.

Like, he was like my favorite person to joke around with. And then like one day we were going home and I like, I distinctly remember this, [00:23:00] we were like in the elevator and he was like, you know, if you weren't gay, by the way, fully, I don't know if he was engaged, but he was, had a long term girlfriend and I also had a long term girlfriend.

Right, right. And he was like, yeah, if you weren't gay, we would be the perfect match. I was like, what the hell?

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: What do you mean. What does that mean?

Speaker 2: Yeah, because he doesn't say it. Has he ever said that to one of his guy friends? You know, if you were a woman,

Speaker: we'd be great.

Speaker 2: We we'd be great together.

Speaker: Well, it's almost like the only thing that's keeping us apart is that you're, it's like, no, actually,

Speaker 2: so there's much more to it than, than that.

Speaker: I can give you a list.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's so, yeah. It's, it's, it's almost like even if they're not actively sexualizing you, they're thinking about that, what the potential would be.

Mm-hmm. Like even if they're not trying to turn you, per se. Right. They're like, well, if you were, I get that you're gay. Mm-hmm. But if you weren't, we would be really good. That's not the first time that's happened, and I'm just like. What the, like, what the hell are you even talk [00:24:00] like, why are you even thinking of me that way?

Please don't. Also, that's very weird to say. When you have a partner, they'll say like, it's very common to hear weird things like that.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: I'm like, I don't know. I'm good. Actually. Have you seen the clip? It was like, there's the, the Ital, it's like a British, hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about.

It's a British news show.

Speaker 2: That's the game. Today's game is us. We vaguely describe random.

Speaker: You tell us TikTok

Speaker 2: clips,

Speaker: you tell us. But there's this g this guy who's like, he's Italian and he's, he's the chef and he is always saying crazy shit to them. He is like, what are you talking about? And this girl, this one of the hosts eating something, he made

Speaker 2: Uhhuh

Speaker: and it's like, I think it's like a mac and cheese or something.

And she's like, you know, if there was bacon in this, it would be more like a carbonara. And he's like, if my grandma, what do you

mean?

Speaker: Yeah. If my grandmother had a two wheels, she would've been a bike. What are we talking about? I die every day. She would've been a bicycle. Mm-hmm. Like,

Speaker 2: I'm part Italian, so I'm allowed to do that accent.

Speaker: I, I guess I shouldn't

Speaker 2: [00:25:00] matter.

Speaker: I'm just trying to, I'm trying to do it justice, but it's so outrageously funny. Yeah. And that's how I feel about it. It's like, yeah. Okay. What, I

Speaker 2: guess

Speaker: I'm doing new do

Speaker 2: I'm doing New York Italian here too. I'm also not doing a, uh,

Speaker: what,

Speaker 2: sorry? I'm doing like New York Italian.

Speaker: I know.

He would know he was Italian. Italian. Mm-hmm. But it makes me laugh 'cause it's like, what are you, what is it, what does this mean to you? Like, in your head? Is it, I I do think a lot of guys like to have a weird feeling.

Speaker 2: The fuck Are you saying

Speaker: what the, you saying to me? Um, I do feel like they like the fantasy of like, oh, I could get you though.

Right. If you,

Speaker 2: I could.

Speaker: I'm like,

Speaker 2: I could, I could turn her if I, I really wanted,

Speaker: if you weren't gay, we'd be together. Wrong.

Speaker 2: Yeah. There's def there has to be like a whole genre of, of like, uh, men that, that think that they could turn some with the Right. Oh, they just haven't found, I've heard

Speaker: people say it to me.

Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.

Speaker: I'm like, that's a, have you met women? Right. You're gonna go compete with a woman

Speaker 2: By that logic then could any men, do you think any men could also be turned? Like if you find the [00:26:00] right, like, you know, by a gay man, could, could they turn any man, you know, if you believe any No. Does not. If you No, it's only for women.

It's only women that are lying about their sexuality. Uh, that could turn their Oh, you mean

Speaker: with them? That's

Speaker 2: what I'm, could, could found if you it

Speaker: on them. Yes.

Speaker 2: If you truly believe that anybody could be with, you know, and that, and that way could be turned to quote unquote. Then could you also, John, could

Speaker: you be, you

Speaker 2: know,

Speaker: Chad, could you be turned Chad,

Speaker 2: you know, if you, if the right guy came along and what if he's like, I mean, yeah, probably.

Speaker: Maybe I'm like, oh,

Speaker 2: okay. I probably could. I, well, at least you're consistent. He's, I never tried it, but I mean,

Speaker: I've thought

Speaker 2: about it. I haven't met him yet. I've thought about a lot. A lot. You wanna see my searches? Three.

Speaker: Don't check my browser.

Speaker 2: You wanna see my searches history?

Speaker: Yeah. I, I, I just, I, I can't get over like, there's so many of these fucking bros that like, go to a content house that either live together, like I would bet this is like an event [00:27:00] that they're like, and no, I'm gonna walk around and pretend this is my house.

I mean, people have been busted. There's this guy who, um. I did a, did a video of like, I bought this, this, uh, apartment and it was like this huge, uh, like suite, like almost like a floor level. Mm-hmm. Uh, and there's a YouTuber named Gunner. It's irrelevant. Okay. But he has a background in real estate. I don't, I don't know.

I don't know how he got here. I, anyways, so he was, I real estate and he recognized the apartment, or like the suite, whatever. I'm kidding. That was being around, so, what do you call it? It's not an apartment when it's like a huge condo, I guess. Whatever. It was like a, uh, like a 5 million big rental

Speaker 2: property.

Speaker: Property.

Speaker 2: Property.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And so he, he recognized it because it was in, he's from Miami and it was in Miami, and he like called them up. He's like, can you buy any of these properties? And they're like, no, these are exclusively for rent.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: And so like, there's so, there's so many of these dudes. Yeah.

Like, like what on what, like what world? Or It's the same people who like will film and fake jets, like where you're film, like how can you sleep at night? You're filming [00:28:00] yourself somewhere that's not yours. And you're like, this is my house.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: How do you not feel shame?

Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's all about the scale, but they, I think it's with some of these guys specifically kinda related to like these, these like red pill kinda misogyny, guys that you do this though, it's, they're so used to lying about the aspects of their identity and they're, that it's, it's like, no, no, this is fine.

Like what? This is no different than me wearing lifts in my shoes and pretending that I'm six feet tall. Right. How is that any different? Like, how is it any different than me, like telling people that I make a million dollars a year when, you know, I'm still living in my mom's basement? Like it's the same type of life.

Speaker: That's such a good point. Because, well, obviously I don't like lying. I'm not a good liar and I don't lie. Yeah. I just bad at it. But like, because, because that's what I think to myself. I'm like, how do you not like, feel bad about lying, but you're so right. I mean, they're constantly lying. Mm-hmm. They're lying about who they are.

They lie about how much they make. So it's like, what's the difference? Now I'm just lying to, on a [00:29:00] bigger scale, to more people.

Speaker 2: If I could lie, I'd be unstoppable.

My other, I think my issue is, my main issue with being a bad liar is that I forget so much. Like if I'm not, I have to tell the truth. Oh yes. For any consistency. 'cause I forget things all the time. Even for like, I remember when I lied to like a teacher about why I was like, absent one day from class back in college, and they said, I don't, they asked about it and I was like, what are you talking about?

And luckily it was like, it was not a big deal.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Um, but uh, yeah, it was in those moments where I was like, the fuck Who said that? In my mind it was like, my mom was like, what? Who, who do you think you're talking to? And it was like me, like that, it was that click of like, oh no, I

Speaker: lied.

Speaker 2: She's fine. Or like, my car is okay.

I think, I think that's what it was. I think I lied about my car getting into a car accident.

Speaker: Oh my god.

Speaker 2: I was, but even I was, it was, it was [00:30:00] fine. It was a mi it was like a minor accident, but yeah. That's why I had to miss class today. They're like, how's your car? I was like, like, how's my car, my crystal? You talk, I haven't driven my car in like a week.

I live on campus.

Speaker: I mm-hmm. Couldn't be, I cannot lie. I'm a horrible liar. Like, I, if I even have an interaction where I perceive that maybe I was seen as being rude to someone

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like, I just didn't make the, like, I, okay. I'll give you an example of something really stupid I did.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: I, one time was at a restaurant and the waitress was really overwhelmed and she had like this big plate of glasses.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And she was like, like wobbling, like, like I was, I thought they were all gonna fall. Mm-hmm. And I like reached to grab. A, one of the cups mm-hmm. Without thinking of like the weight distribution on the tray. Mm-hmm. And she was like, no, no, no, don't do that. [00:31:00] And I, I didn't even, I didn't even do it. And I still think about it to this day.

I was like, oh my God, that was so terrible that I did that. Well

Speaker 2: for you

Speaker: thinking I do that Reagan, she needed me. I'm sure she hated me, and I'm sure I mess up her shift.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Like, so thinking about like, lying to someone. Mm-hmm. I, I cannot handle the

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: The guilt of that.

Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's, I think it's, uh, there, there, there's, there's an art.

Do you have to have a little be, be a least slightly sociopathic, you know, I don't know if there is a love, can you be a little, a little bit of a sociopath to be able

Speaker: to, I think you can have tendencies.

Speaker 2: Yeah. To be able to like, be a good liar. I think you have to have the ability to like to, to like fully envelop yourself in that lie.

Mm-hmm. Like, you know, I can't even keep accents during a, during a play.

Speaker: I, I have some family members that are like, excellent liars. Oh, father, my

Speaker 2: father was [00:32:00] amazing.

Speaker: Look, you dead in the face mm-hmm. And lie to you.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And, and make you the bad guy in a lie. Mm-hmm. And you're like, like there's something about people who are that good at lying, where you actually go, especially in the heat of the moment, you're like, am I wrong?

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Is, is the sky actually green?

Speaker 2: Right. Right.

Speaker: Like, maybe it's,

Speaker 2: I think here I, I have one exception. Um, I'm, I am good at like, uh, like for my lectures in my classroom mm-hmm. I often, I teach through storytelling. Sure. Right. And so I'll, I'll tell stories about real, and sometimes there'll be like a small detail that'll change, uh, to like, I was like, well, it doesn't fit exactly, but this really helps get the point.

Sure. It's mostly a true story, but I've been telling some of those stories for so many years now. 20 years of teaching that I don't, I don't even remember Where's the teaching? No, but like, there is like, that's so, I mean, I'm technically lying for, I know for many of these stories, there's, there are lies interspersed.

But I've told, I've told the lie so many times in my lecture, but I can't remember the truth [00:33:00] because my brain is so broken that I have no, like, I don't even remember what the,

Speaker: what was the truth?

Speaker 2: What was the truth?

Speaker: You know what I, if, if it comes down to mm-hmm. Something could embarrass someone like, like mm-hmm.

Like a white lie.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Not like I'm gonna set someone up. Feeling

Speaker 2: positive lives I think are different,

Speaker: but like, if it was like. They, they tripped or something? Yeah. I did not see it. Mm-hmm. Unless we're both laughing about

Speaker 2: it. That's d that's different. Yeah.

Speaker: No, but like those are lies, like that type of lying,

Speaker 2: I guess you're right.

Yeah.

Speaker: The great for the greater good of something. Yeah. I, I'm 10 toes down on those lies. Mm-hmm. Like, I will back those lies. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Because I think, I think there's a difference though between like, there is a, a delineation you have to make between like, because I can li like if I have a surprise gift for somebody Yes.

Same. I am amazing at sot I just flash behind me.

Speaker: I don't think,

Speaker 2: I swear I just sounded like a flash somewhere. Am I, am I, am I okay Anyways? Yeah. If there was a flash [00:34:00] in the recording, you let me know. Okay. Uh, at this point, um,

Speaker: leave a comment.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Leave a comment telling me if you saw if I'm not, if I'm not losing my mind.

I swear there was like a flash somewhere. Uh. Is the, is there paparazzi in the room? Um,

Speaker: oh my God. They got you.

Speaker 2: Yeah. But if it's like for a gift for somebody, yes. Like a surprise. I think we've talked about this in the show before, but if it's something like that, I don't, consi. I mean, I know, I guess technically they're lies.

They're not, it's not true. But it's like, it's, it feels like that's not a lie, a real lie.

Speaker: You know what I think it is though? Mm-hmm. Because like, I have a, I think I've brought this over, but my aunt is a psychiatrist.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Or no, so that's wrong. My aunt is a therapist. You lied to me. I lied to you. No, my aunt is a therapist.

Um, she's a doctor, but she's a

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: And she, we, we've talked about like lying and liars. I think we've talked about this before, but it's like we are okay with lying because we feel justified in the reason for the lie. Like when we're doing it for good, [00:35:00] we we're like, okay, this is for good reason, this is for kindness.

And it's like they're equally as justified. In their lie, but it's about their, in their mind. Yeah. Their reason. Which is like, what? Like it's just a nefarious reason, right? It's like, I wanna get out of this.

Speaker 2: I guess that, I guess that's what you have to, it's you have to have the brain that can justify the me.

Yeah. The means do the, you know?

Speaker: Yeah. Like the, the ends justif justify the

Speaker 2: means. Yeah. And just justify, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. A hundred percent. Because they're like, like I the liars. I know. I like, like you like, oh, people feel guilty. No, no. You could catch 'em. I could, I have caught people on lies and they're like, Nope.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And then that's, uh, that's, do you know who Dr. Romney is?

Speaker 2: Uh, that sounds familiar.

Speaker: Narcissist expert.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: Uh, she, she has said, I think it was on a red table talk actually, but she has said like, like the difference, and this is probably a brutal misquote, but just, sorry. But the difference between like a liar and like someone who's narcissistic or has something else [00:36:00] going on is like, if you're just lying and you're given evidence that you're lying.

A lot of times they're gonna admit that they lied.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Uh, but if you have something else going on, like a narcissistic person, you could give them evidence that they lied and they're gonna stay and say, no, I didn't like you. Like when faced with evidence, if they don't shift, they just Right. They're like, no, actually I'm gonna gaslight you.

I don't care what evidence. You're crazy.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: I think that's very, a lot. I, I know some people like that. I'm like, Jesus, I feel bad about everything. You don't feel bad about anything

Speaker 2: there. Is there any worse feeling than getting caught in a lie? I don't know if there I, as far as, I mean, there are obviously worst feelings that exist, but

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Like, God, the thing that, like that like when you, because it's when, especially when it's, there's no reason for it. Like, it's a little why like, 'cause I don't lie about anything big because I know myself and I know I'll get caught. But like [00:37:00] when you lie for no reason, like reading a book or seeing a movie.

Yes. Obviously. Have you seen that movie? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Oh

Speaker 2: no.

Speaker: What, what's your favorite part?

Speaker 2: The first part, this is what's your favorite part? And it's so obvious at that point that you didn't that, but you can't like, because it's, there's no, there would've been zero consequences for telling the truth.

Have you seen that, that TV show? Yes. It's one of my favorite shows

Speaker: I had the other day. Mm-hmm. I was like not listening and I recognized while my wife was talking that I was not listening. Mm-hmm So she was, we were watching the show alone,

Speaker 2: Uhhuh,

Speaker: I dunno if you know that show, but it's like they send 'em out into the woods or some, some crazy environment and they have to literally be by themselves.

They have like 12 items or something, and then they have to survive. With no human interaction. Mm-hmm. It's, it's very interesting. But she [00:38:00] was trying to, I didn't know it, I didn't understand at the time she was trying to describe the show to my daughter. And so she was like, oh, and did, you know, they built that shelter like all by themselves, and I didn't click what was happening, but I clicked that I should have been listening.

And so I was like, oh yeah, that's interesting. That's the point of the show is that they build this shit and they, they like, and she's like, I was talking to the child.

Speaker 2: I've done

Speaker: that before. Be like, oh, interesting. Oh,

Speaker 2: okay. Wow.

Speaker: She's like, that was a very enthusiastic response.

Speaker 2: I've, I've, that, that is probably, I guess if that counts as a lie.

I've done that before where, and like my wife knows it, where I'm like, my brain just hasn't switched under the conversation. And uh, I've tried to be a lot more honest about that now, and I've gotten better at being like, I'm sorry. I was still thinking about the thing I was doing for at least the first 20 seconds of you talking.

Yes. And I have no [00:39:00] idea what, so I've gotten better at like, admitting it and I found that leads to a lot less problems,

Speaker 4: step one.

Speaker 2: Yeah. But, uh, but I've definitely in the past been like, Hmm. And I've realized, oh no, I can't tell them. I didn't know what they So you're, you're, you're piecing together what it is and just hoping they don't ask you questions until you figured out what it was that you missed.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I, uh, sometimes I think I should lie. 'cause like the, uh, there's a, there's a, I'm not gonna say the show 'cause it's a good show, but there's a, a TV show that my wife and I have been watching for years. Mm-hmm. And re just the past season. I just haven't been into it. Uh, and I just thought, I'm like, it's fine.

It's still a good show. It's just, maybe it's just me. I just, whatever reason, then nothing's changed. Mm-hmm. And I just, it's just, I'm not as it. So the other night I had my book, my Headphone, and I was listening to my book while we were watching it together. And she, and she said, and I, I'm just, 'cause I'm, I'm just in my own world of the book, staring at the TV screen.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 2: And, and she said something to me about it and I was like, oh, I'm not watching. And [00:40:00] she was like, I thought we were watching this together right now. I was like, oh, I'm just, I'm really, there's a really, we're at like a critical point in the book I'm listening to and I'd rather hear that right now than watch the show.

And she was like, but you really like the show. I was like, I did really like the show.

Speaker: Not today.

Speaker 2: I could say it was the, I felt, I felt so bad 'cause it did feel like, I was like, oh no, I've been misleading you. In thinking that I still really like this show. I felt bad because it was, she was like, this is a show.

It's a show we watch together.

Speaker: That happens to me all the time. Yeah. Where my wife loses usually, or, or me, one of us will lose interest in the show. And it's like, it's like, you don't wanna admit that. Like, I don't really like this.

Speaker 2: I don't. And I like that. I like that it still brings her joy. So I don't wanna be like, I, I don't really, and 'cause we don't, there's not a lot of time we have to watch TV with the

Speaker: kids.

Yes. Ex Yes. Precious

Speaker 2: time. And so I'm like, okay, I like that you watch this. I like sitting with you on the couch. You know, I like being with you. I'm still getting most of what I enjoy about watching this show with you.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker 2: I just want to hear [00:41:00] my book right now. It's just that we, there's a different story.

We can both win right now.

Speaker: What is it called? It's like a DHD or like, like, uh, non neurotypicals, like to do, like, where they both do something together, but two different things.

Speaker 2: Like is it mi No,

Speaker: it's parallel. Parallel something.

Speaker 2: I don't think, I know there's a,

Speaker: what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: Body doubling bo

Speaker: Oh, body doubling.

There's another one that's for where, another word for it. Where you do two, you're both doing that separate activities together.

Speaker 2: That same Yeah. To But

Speaker: body doubling. Yes. It's like, yeah. Sometimes you just have to be clear that that's what you're doing.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: Because if they think you're doing the same activities.

Speaker 2: But I feel bad because it was a sh there was a shift. 'cause this was for years. This is a show that we were both into, and I just, I don't know. It just, I, I, it happens me with a lot of shows, like, you know, it's the, there's a couple like really famous show. I'll, I'll share these ones. I have not seen like Battlestar Galactica.

Have you ever watched it? I was really It Love it. I never saw the last three episodes. [00:42:00]

Speaker: Wow. That's a rough cut.

Speaker 2: I know. I didn't see the last three. And it's the, the big confin. At first it was because I wanted to wait for the right time to watch it, like to finish the series. Oh. I wanted to, so I could devote myself to it.

And then I just, life got in the way and I was like, oh, I just, I never got around to it. I never saw the last season of Lost.

Speaker: I never saw any of lost. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2: I, I was super into lost.

Speaker: Didn't it go

Speaker 2: off the

Speaker: rails though?

Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was, I, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed, yeah. For, for what it was, it is, you know, I was into it.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: It was very, I think if, as far as I remember, it was like they replaced the entire writing, like writers behind it or something like that. And so it was like, the original ideas were just kind of changed into something. I don't remember. You correct us in the comments.

Speaker: Yeah, I, I know they will. Yeah. I definitely, the Walking Dead was one that I really liked and then all of a sudden I was like, ah,

Speaker 2: I've only seen the first season of that.

Speaker: It, I do wanna watch it. I just lost intro. I just was like, I don't,

Speaker 2: there's too many, sometimes like if I fall too far [00:43:00] behind, I'm like, I can't, isn't like 12 season, how many seasons of the Walking Dead are there?

Speaker: Uh, and now there's multiple versions too.

Speaker 2: Yeah. There's like, don't fear The Walking Dead and mm-hmm.

Speaker: Beware of

Speaker 2: The Walking Dead. There's 11 seasons of Walking Dead. I can't, when am I gonna find time to.

Speaker: It was

Speaker 2: really good. Been the season it wa of the season. I watched, I liked,

Speaker: I thought, but then eventually I was like, hmm. Like I, I was out before Negan, I was out before that.

Speaker 2: I don't even know,

Speaker: which, I'm glad because what that is.

Speaker 2: So

Speaker: he come, he kills one of the characters I really liked.

Speaker 2: Tell me spoilers.

Speaker: He's an evil guy. He's gonna kill somebody.

Speaker 2: It's

Speaker: only been,

Speaker 2: it's only been 15 years since the, the show came out.

Speaker: You know what, there are some characters that they're just like, he's introduced to someone who's gonna kill someone.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Right?

Speaker: So you don't have to worry.

Speaker 2: I have a weird ability though, to avoid spoilers. Like of, of like shows that I wanna watch. Put your phone down. It'll, well, I don't, I I'm, I'm good at like, not seeing the spoiler. Like, like my wife would be like, oh yeah, I [00:44:00] saw blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know how. But like, it'll be a movie that's been out for a month.

That I really wanna see. And I'm in all the fandom things for that, I just shut down. 'cause I hate spoilers so much.

Speaker: I made a huge error.

Speaker 2: Oh no.

Speaker: I did. Um, after, when Stranger Things, when the series finale came out, I posted a conspiracy theory about it. Mm-hmm. Or like a, like a, like there's, uh, something was open-ended and I posted my theory on the open-endedness.

Right. And someone was like, it was like the day later or something, and someone was like, mm-hmm. Um, I, and I didn't, oh, where'd you go? Hi, I'm

Speaker 2: here. Sorry, I meant to hit, I meant to hit the microphone so I could cough.

Speaker: Jessica's gone. He doesn't wanna hear this. I, um. I, so I posted and then someone's like, I hope nobody who hasn't seen it has, because I, I didn't, like, I just started talking.

Mm-hmm. And I, I guess I [00:45:00] should have said spoilers. So then I like dropped it down because I was like, oh God, I'm gonna spoil it. So I literally took it down, re-edited it to have like stranger things and then me saying spoilers,

Speaker 4: uh,

Speaker: and put it back up. 'cause I was like, oh God. Yeah. Because I hate when that happens.

I've had that happen to me. It's the worst. Yeah, it's the worst. You're like, I had, I had one of the biggest twists of Stranger things. Mm-hmm. Spoiled for me. I was like, yeah. But it wasn't even, it wasn't even spoiled. Um

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Like they knew it was the outcome or that, that they knew that it was like a theory.

Speaker 2: Can I give you an idea of just how good? 'cause I still think I wanna watch Stranger Things at some point.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Um, I don't even know what the show's about. That's how like, just to gimme that I literally

Speaker: strange things.

Speaker 2: I, I quite, I know there's something to do with d and d 'cause I've seen like

Speaker: true,

Speaker 2: there's, there's, I've seen people talking about Dun Dragons more often.

Mm-hmm. And so I've seen that connection literally. It, it, is it live [00:46:00] play? D and DI don't know. I have know with like, I, that's, I mean, I know it's not, but like, I, I literally, I don't know. It's not 'cause I haven't seen an episode, but it, it is funny. I, I know absolutely nothing about the show at all.

Speaker: It is one of the only times, like the insanity mm-hmm.

That went on with people. It, it reminded me of Game of Thrones.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: But because of the way that the, the duffer brothers like, talked about it and have always been like, there's more to it and this is secretly this and make sure to watch this episode and there's some, there's an undercurrent and it's gonna be a dark Christmas or whatever.

Mm-hmm. Um. People were so unhappy with the, uh, finale. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That they have this crazy theory that like, it wasn't the finale and there's actually gonna be another finale. Okay. And like, people are still thinking that like, it is the, it is the wildest thing to watch.

Speaker 2: How many shows can you think of where people didn't hate how it ended?[00:47:00]

Speaker: Oof. I can more think of how people hated it

Speaker 2: ended. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to think of. I mean, I think like, maybe breaking bad people.

Speaker: Yeah. People really s like the way that one ended. That was a But you know what's so funny is like you have. The Duffer brothers saying we've known all long how it was gonna go out.

And clearly they didn't. They're a liar. They're a lying liar who lies.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: And then you have Breaking Bad With, which, you know, arguably has a really great finale and they're like, oh, we were totally just making it up. They're like, we, we didn't know one season to the next exactly what we were gonna do.

It's like, just be honest. You look, it looks worse when you're lying. Yeah. Like it's, I said, I said before the finale came out, I was like, I was like, the Duffer brothers are our bad boyfriends. Mm-hmm. Because of all the, like, they just keep acting like they're doing good things that they're not, and they're just, it like they're trying to gaslight us into thinking these things and then this finale comes out and I'm like.

Oh, because they're still, they're, it's like they're trying to make us think they're smarter than they are. Mm-hmm. They knew more than they did. They were always planning this, and it's like, if you were just honest

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: [00:48:00] People would be less crazy about it if you're just like, I

Speaker 2: wonder,

Speaker: sorry

Speaker 2: if, if they get test audiences of people like me who like,

Speaker: it's great

Speaker 2: every, like I, I've told you this before, I liked how, how I met your mother ended,

Speaker: I knew,

Speaker 2: which is like one of the most universally hated endings.

Speaker: I hate it.

Speaker 2: Of, I was like, this is a great show. And my, and like, I remember my wife, like,

Speaker: how dare you?

Speaker 2: And like, nobody, I've never, I've, I've met like one other person that's ever been like, yeah, no, I liked it. Um, like Game of Thrones. I was like, yeah, it's a good ending.

Speaker: Oh, you know, it's, here's what I think it is.

Yeah. Just like Game of Thrones.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: I think a hot take.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: I think the Duffer Brothers, well one, there's the Divorce Gate theory, which I don't think is necessarily wrong. Uh, one of the duffer brothers was married to the, I feel like it's the writer and director, maybe a Fear Street.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: So she, and, and she was someone who was like really into queer storylines and stuff.

Mm-hmm. And without getting into the details of [00:49:00] it, there's like some queer storylines that go just get messed up. Okay. And so, like, when, when the divorce happened is kind of around the time the writing got not as good. Mm-hmm. So there's a theory that that was potentially why, that she was maybe involved in the writing process.

Mm-hmm. Which like, I think could be very true. 'cause like I, if I have fellow writers that I'm around. I collaborate with them, even if it, like, I have this idea, like, what do you think?

Speaker 3: Of course, of course.

Speaker: So that makes sense to me. But, so I think that might be part of it, but I also think they were, they got really wrapped up in their own sauce.

Like they were really like, where it's like they got way, way too precious with everything. Mm-hmm. Like you could just tell like it was almost like they thought they were doing this crazy amazing thing. Mm-hmm. Which is not that, it's not crazy and amazing necessarily. Right, right. But it's the inability to be like objective, I think, and look at things.

Like there's, I feel like there's so many things that if they had somebody who was also not like, this [00:50:00] is the best, right? Like that maybe they would identify,

Speaker 2: right,

Speaker: Hey, this, maybe this is, we, we, this isn't tied up, or maybe this character needs more screen time or whatever. Mm-hmm. Um, like even in the behind the scenes, you can just tell they really were like, we, we are amazing.

We are doing the best things and we are the best guys. And Right. Um, they also, I just did a video on this, um, uh, can, so this is not related to the show, but there, there was a time where one of the children, there's like a dummy that was made, I won't tell you why, of one of the kids for one of the scenes and the Duffer brothers sent to, now I found out the child's mother mm-hmm.

To let him see, let him see it

Speaker 2: mm-hmm.

Speaker: Of them punching it Uhhuh. Mm-hmm. And then there was a, is

Speaker 2: there, what

Speaker: there

Speaker 2: a reason for it? I'm, I'm so

Speaker: confused. They said it was a prank.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker: Can you imagine getting a video of a dummy of you, like as a child, [00:51:00] like to think about like, were you in plays and stuff as a kid?

Did you do any

Speaker 2: Uh, I was, uh, one of the wise men in our, there you go.

Speaker: Imagine if there was a, a little dummy of you and the director sent you a video of you punching you uhhuh, what the hell? Like, what's wrong with them? And then they, there was like a kiss scene because, um, one of the, one of the child actors had number one had never kissed anybody.

Mm-hmm. But they like pranked them by saying like, oh, your kissing is today. Your kissing is today. And it hadn't even been written yet. There was no kiss scene. Mm-hmm. They were just trying to freak them out.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: And when they noticed how freaked out they were,

Speaker 2: right.

Speaker: They wrote a scene in and said that they're like, it's your fault the kissing was in there because you were acting so freaked out.

Mm-hmm. Like, so a child let you know they weren't uncomfortable with, with kissing.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: And you wrote it in. And also you pranked them. Mm-hmm. Like, can you imagine being a child and someone be like, Hey, you have to kiss someone today. Your first kiss is happening today.

Speaker 2: Right. Because also me as a child, I would've been shitting myself [00:52:00]

Speaker: say about that,

Speaker 2: oh, oh God, I would've not have slept for three days leading up to it.

Speaker: They told no, they told them on set. The child arrived on set Uhhuh, and they, Hey, just so you know, you, the two brothers who were grown men were like, let's prank this. And it was a female.

Speaker 2: If they tell you, oh, okay.

Speaker: Could it be a with a woman? Please,

Speaker 2: please,

Speaker: please. Um, yeah. So, and the other one was, uh, there's a scene where a child, I'm trying to give you nose spoilers. Yeah. There's a scene where a child is in distress. Mm-hmm. Like being hurt by a bad character. Mm-hmm. And there was a whole conversation with one of the Duffers where he was like.

He was like smiling and laughing and enjoying it. And Millie Bobby Brown's like, yeah, you looked kind of psycho. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, you looked like a sociopath or something. Mm-hmm. And he's like, yeah, I just, I was the only one. Everyone else was freaking out. And I was like, enjoying this child in pain. I'm like, shit, you know what?

I [00:53:00] think we need to have a stricter rules or like mm-hmm. Like a vetting process who we give children to. Yeah. Like, there's just on like, truly, like, I like joking aside, like I would kind of be te he about this, but like mm-hmm. In, in all reality, like how many times have we handed children over to freaks?

Mm-hmm. Like bad. I don't know if there, I know that there, clearly those are weird things to do. Right, right. I'm not saying that they're predators. I'm saying that's fucking weird that you guys did that as grown men and still stand by it to this day. Yeah. Um, like there's not enough in between like a director and a script and then children.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Truly no

Speaker 2: agree. Agreed.

Speaker: But anyways, there's, that's good. At some parts it's very good. At some parts it's very good. Yeah. I'll

Speaker 2: watch, I'll watch it at some point. Probably. I don't know, there's so many. I, I, I kind of wanted to, I think it would be funny if I were to watch like the top, like the Criterion Collection or something like that.

'cause I've not seen any good mo I don't think I've ever seen an Academy Award-winning movie other than like, like bad ones. [00:54:00] Like I've seen, maybe I've seen of the past, like 50, I think I've probably seen one or two.

Speaker: I'm so behind now. I haven't seen shit.

Speaker 2: But every time, every year when I see like best movie nominations, I'm like, you might, you could be making this up.

And I have not. I would've no idea. I have no idea. I think it was like, it was either this year or last year. Where I remember the listing of like when they, the they mm-hmm. These are the 20 movies being considered or something like that. There was not a single movie that I had ever heard of on that. I don't know what's wrong with me.

That must be so, like I have to, not even, it's one thing to not have seen them. 'cause life gets busy

Speaker: to not have heard

Speaker 2: of

Speaker: them.

I

Speaker 2: did not Like they did not exist. And it's for like, it's one thing, oh, I'd never heard of like this random mm-hmm. Movie that was at limited play and like a specific theater that happens, but for none of the top 20 movies of the year.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 2: What is wrong with me? Like how do, how did that happen? [00:55:00]

Speaker: I feel like it used to be more like, there used to be more talk about like the movies coming out and like for me because mm-hmm. You know, social media is clearly like we have our, the algorithm, so we're like being fed the same things. Right.

Like a lot of times I'm seeing movies that there's something to like critique or something to talk about.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker: I'm rarely just seeing like flat out movie reviews that have nothing to do with one of my interests. And so it's like,

Speaker 2: I know everything about the Marvel movies coming out though.

Speaker: What

Speaker 2: about the Marvel Universe?

I can tell you a lot about that.

Speaker: I, I, I did see what Thunderbolts, what were they? Thundercats?

Speaker 2: Thunderbolts?

Speaker: Yeah. I got

Speaker 2: Thundercats, a different, different movie that has Lionel,

Speaker: I liked some parts of it for sure.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: Um, but I'm, I'm so behind on Marvel. I haven't even seen the madness.

Speaker 2: Uh oh. Multiverse of Madness.

Speaker: No idea.

Speaker 2: No. The Dr. Strange one. Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah. I'm so behind that. I'm like, I can't catch up. There's no way

Speaker 2: that that is the one [00:56:00] exception I I see every single Marvel movie right when they come out and I've seen the Wicked movies. That's pretty legit.

Speaker: Well, you gotta get Fiero.

Speaker 2: I gotta, I had to see my new Fiero.

It's true.

Speaker: Oh my God. And what a Fiero he is.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I know.

Speaker: I love him. Jonathan Bailey.

Speaker 2: I'm assuming you saw it for good, right? We didn't talk about that at all yet. Did you not see it?

Speaker: No. I've told you I, I'm not, I don't like Ariana Grande too much. I don't enjoy seeing her act.

Speaker 2: She's actually, did you see the first Wicked, at least?

Speaker: No. I've told you this.

Speaker 2: How did I, I know, but my brain's broken. It's still, and so I'm, this is a genuine double shock.

Speaker: This is what it's like to be friends with Checo. I'll tell him things and then get the same shocked reaction the eighth time. I remind him.

Speaker 2: It's kind of, it's a little fun, at least, right?

What? That's a really cool thing that you've never told me before.

Speaker: I love a reaction, so it's actually a wonderful [00:57:00] friendship. Like any news I tell you, you're like, what?

Speaker 2: No,

Speaker: it's

Speaker 2: great. I swear somebody else that happened.

Speaker: I, because you'll never be the one that's like, you've told me this before.

Speaker 2: No,

Speaker: you're always like, I've never heard your name is Reagan.

Speaker 2: I forgot your wife's name the other day. I was like, yeah, you know, Reagan's, Reagan's wife.

Speaker: It's also because a lot of times,

Speaker 2: hold on, hold on.

Speaker: I don't say her name when we talk.

Speaker 2: I know, I know. But if that's still, that's almost up. I did, it only took me about 20 seconds to think of it, but I still felt bad.

What is happening? This is like, I should know.

Speaker: You're like, I actually dunno anything about her.

Speaker 2: I want, I want you to see Wickeds. It's like, it's so good. Ugh.

Speaker: I hate it. And

Speaker 2: she hate and she doesn't

Speaker: later too. That's the part she,

Speaker 2: she does. I know. I know. It's like, if you can, I, I know like, it's just, it's, they do they actually play the parts really well?

If you could like, divorce them in your mind from like, I know

Speaker: [00:58:00] that's

Speaker 2: my problem. She actually does. I don't do that. Well, she play Belinda, like, she, it's like, it's, if you can forget that it's Ariana Grande and just like, watch it for like, what it is. Uh, or Glinda. Um, like Galinda. If you could somehow like, like get, just, just try to like, pretend like she's not her.

I

Speaker: know. I, I know I have a hard time with it. I li like, uh, I'll give you an example. Stranger Things. David Harbor. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: I have heard Lily Allen's album.

Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: I know. Yeah. Too much.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: And I see him, I'm like, you suck a bitch.

Speaker 2: At the very least, fa like, like rent it and fast forward through Ariana Goa's parts to see Cynthia Vos parts 'cause good God.

God,

Speaker: I do love Cynthia Arrivo as a

Speaker 2: performer. Um, her like, it's the, um,

Speaker: her singing is, I should have mentioned that when we were talking about like, people we, uh, theater people we like seeing. Was that on this or was that on the pre-show?

Speaker 2: I, I don't think, I don't, it was pre-show, I think it was pre-show.

Speaker: Uh, on the pre-show we were talking about, um, Broadway or, yeah.

Uh, theater people that we like, [00:59:00] singers and like Cynthia Revo, like when she sang the Harriet, what was the, what was the, I don't remember what the song was called.

Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about that Yeah.

Speaker: But I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 2: But like, I've listened to the, the Wicked soundtrack a thousand times in my life.

Yeah. And for good. And, uh, the Wizard and I were never like in my top, like my most listened to ones. I didn't really listen to those that much in they were, and that's not to because 'cause Adina is so shitty. Like it's not, that's not a knock on Adina, right? Like it's,

Speaker: they love

Speaker 2: her. Um, obviously I know that's, but it's, it's for whatever.

Those songs never, I never looked at those songs as like,

Speaker: didn't hit.

Speaker 2: They didn't, they weren't the one. They were like, I'd be like, those are very good songs. That, that's why I like they're part of the whole of me liking the musical.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: But, um, the Wizard Knife specifically is, was probably in before the movie bottom two or three of my songs that I listened to seeing Cynthia sing that I cried.

Really? Like, I was like, [01:00:00] this is, it's so,

Speaker: oh, okay. I'll check it out.

Speaker 2: Good. It's so good.

Speaker: I feel like,

Speaker 2: and for Good is Unbel like, oh my,

Speaker: I feel like when they add. Yeah. I love for good anyways. Yeah. Uh, I feel like when you

Speaker 2: could see the way they did it was so good.

Speaker: When it's for a film they like mm-hmm. Will add certain songs, like a depth to them.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And that, I think that, and I think that's what it was, the narrative of that song changed for me. It wasn't just like the, it was like seeing it and seeing her face and her expressions. Yes. It was like, of course,

Speaker: this other thing.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Because it's different. Yeah.

Speaker: You, you can like, yeah. You can see every micro expression versus like, when you're trying to express to a full

Speaker 2: theater.

Subtle songs do not hit in, in on a stage. Yeah. And that goes for even acting. You can't, subtlety doesn't always work as well in a, any sort of play format.

Speaker: Well, friends, uh, we started on, we started on, I

Speaker 2: forgot we were even recording a show right now

Speaker: and ended on Wicked. [01:01:00]

Speaker 2: I don't even think we really talked about the video.

Speaker: We talked, I would give it 10 minutes, maybe a little,

Speaker 2: maybe

Speaker: this is what happens, that we haven't talked enough over.

Speaker 2: We haven't talked in like three weeks

Speaker: break and now we just are,

Speaker 2: let me talk about this other thing. I thought about. There's another thing I thought about.

Speaker: I will tell you, you were like, mm-hmm.

You, you and my wife are like, when I have, like, I have this thing I really need to talk about and my poor wife, at least you are like, yes. I also hyper fixate on things. Yeah. My poor wife is like, what? Why? Why this one specific thing?

Speaker 2: We should re and we do text all the fricking time, but I, we should remember that we can call each other when it's not being recorded.

It's okay for us to talk.

Speaker: I, we text, you can't get it across in text. When I tell a story I need. Tell you,

Speaker 2: we will text and be like, oh, I have something to tell you.

Speaker: I know. And then we're like, when we're recording

Speaker 2: and by the time we record, it's like we're already onto something else at that point.

Speaker: Yeah. I never [01:02:00] remember what it is.

I just remembered something I was gonna tell you that I forgot to tell you, but here we are. All right.

Speaker 2: Here we are.

Speaker: Okay. Well friends, thank you so much for being here. As you know, we have the Patreon, which we have a pre-show. We talked more about Fiero on that. If you like this topic,

Speaker 2: if you really wanna hear our wicked thoughts

Speaker: and truly wicked from your perspective, um, and other than that, check out our socials and we will see next week.

Speaker 2: Bye. Love you.

Speaker: Bye. Love you.