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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, J.J. Cooper Carlos Closo, another of the baseball America Prospect Cogcast Deep Dives and today we are focused on the Atlanta Braves and Organization coming off of really the first down season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In many a year, really, I would say, since the Ronald Acunia as the Albe's Austin Riley, we could keep going down the list group all arrived and kind of sparked a resurgence, really, almost a decade ago now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so now we're going to look at kind of okay was last year, a little blip or was it more than that and kind of was this farm system look like now and it's ability to kind of help bring the brave's back into playoff contention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos great to see you you've done the braids list I've done the braids list in the past you've done the braids list now for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does it feel like when you were working on this one, it feel pretty similar or that this one feels like there's a little bit of a change going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I felt mostly pretty similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like for a few years now, this has been a very picture heavy organization, and that remains the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also feel like this has been a bottom third farm system in the game for a few years now, and that also remains the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe the most notable change this year is that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are actually a few more interesting hitters to write about near the top of their list because they were aggressive in tackling hitters at the top of the draft and they also have some early returns from the international market, both of which are kind of new items for the brave's, at least in recent memory for their farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd say the overwhelming thing is more of the same pitching heavy, but if you are kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: a braze fan and waiting to see more, more heating prospects just at the top of this system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a few additions that have come from the draft theater and national market this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, we're just going to dive straight in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cam Camanity, as you see on the crawl if you're watching on the YouTube channels, is our number one prospect in the braze organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one feels like, okay, so we have Cam Camanity and JR Richie, both of whom made our top hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this a clear like one and then two or was there at least some discussion of how do you line these pictures up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was fairly straightforward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is a case for JR Richie, but that case mostly lies on proximity and safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to just say, what is the safest bet to be a big leager in the near future?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're really weighing the proximity factor heavily, I think you could make a case for JR Richie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, they're both in our top 100.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have similar, with the exact same adjusted scores.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On both, but I just think the upside

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[SPEAKER_01]: made him the candidate and it wasn't too terribly hard to get to that conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think there is more to dream on with Cam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more likely that he winds up being a starter in the top of a rotation compared to Richie who I think is a pretty safe bet to be a number four or five in some capacity with Jerry Richie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's just a little less on the fastball Maybe there's a little less on the slider this year and he has flushed a good slider in the past

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[SPEAKER_01]: to make me feel comfortable that he's not going to be anything more than a four or five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So two good prospects at the top, but ultimately, camps upside made him the fairly easy pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think anyone on our staff preferred Jared Ritchie over Cam Camini.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's mostly the sort of feedback that I was getting from the braves and from other scouts that I was talking to when kind of vetting this list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So looking at caminity last year, you know, we obviously, he got 13 starts at low a agosta, 70 innings overall, if you throw in what he did the Florida complex league, which don't look at the Florida complex league, that's very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a week's stomach, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we know Matt now about him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, very solid season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I've made that joke about sort of complex, like, overall very solid season, 70 inings looked impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what do we know now that would be like, okay, we know now this about Cam Cam Kennedy that we didn't know coming into the 25 season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just have more confidence in the pure pitching ability and I think he's also shown enough flashes with both of his second areas change up and a slider to feel comfortable that he's going to have more than just the fastball to get hiters out when he was coming out of the draft he had one of the more exciting fastballs in his, excuse me in his draft class in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a pitch that got multiple 70 grade future projections.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think it has trace to be that caliber of a pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was more change up oriented, or at least we prefer the change up to his slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his questions were like, okay, what is the breaking wall going to be like for Cam?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to be able to develop a reliable one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in his pro debut,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just seeing the quality of the strikes with the fastball and the quality of the strikes overall over a full season was encouraging and also just the effectiveness of both his secondarys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I do think both his slider and his changeup are pitches that he's gonna need to continue improving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and continue flashing and see how effective those pitches are against upper level hitters because you can critique those a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think either of those pitches are no doubt pluses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, we've got above average grades on both, but he's experimented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with a new kick change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got splitter like depth at his best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is added some more sweep to his slider that looks like a nightmare pitch against Lefty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if both of those pitches are going to be reliable for him, he's got a really effective way to attack both Lefty's and Rides in the strikes to work deep into games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a fairly complete picture arsenal from that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think just in general, it's always really encouraging to see a young

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[SPEAKER_01]: because again, this is a guy who's sitting in the mid 90s and getting up to 97 from the left side with his fastball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a it's a really healthy combination of strike stuff, polish, secondaries for for cam at this stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where you kind of this could get exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he is far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about a guy who will start the season in high A has yet to throw a pitch above low A so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what you just laid out,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the development path continues, if he continues to get strongers, continues to throw strikes, continues to develop secondaries, all these, if, if, if, but if all those things come together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does kind of have a little bit of a higher ceiling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there we've been talking about a lot of pictures for the Braves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Braves have had a number of top 100 pictures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had AJ Smith Shover, not that long ago in the top 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Hurston Waldrip in the top 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had, again, the Braves generally have had kind of guys kind of hovering at the back of the 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like him and Eddie

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these guys we've been talking about and they've been kind of more of that this could be your solid mid rotation to back of the rotation starter and again we put those guys in the 100 because there's value to that the brice elders of the world like this is more Spencer Strider we did not have in the 100 star of the year that we moved him in just before graduated he's obviously a different cat that all of these you know he but

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[SPEAKER_00]: it feels like there's a little bit more upside here than we've seen in this kind of recent group of brave starters who kind of move through the system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does feel like just with the volume of pictures, they've selected for in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've had this sort of steady pipeline of arms that are going to help the Big League team in some capacity, whether that's a reliever, whether that's a spot starter, or if I had a number of these pitchability types who have been pitching in the upper minors and are getting a chance to impact the Big League team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Kim and I, like you said, he kind of, he checks a lot of the boxes you're looking for in a young pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe you would just rather have a no-dow Bangor breaking ball, but some of the highest people

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[SPEAKER_01]: brought up the name of Chris Sale with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a direct comp, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a dangerous comp for any sort of, you know, pitcher, but the fact of that's this organization, the fact that he's a low slot lefty, the fact that he has elite traits to his fastball with good extension.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sliders, again, it showed flashes of being this devastating sweeper slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, there are some traits that they share that I think you could point to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have him now, great it out as like a number three starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: what he does in twenty twenty six will go a long way in telling us okay is he more of this like number three pushing number two maybe even like talking about him in the same lens as the guy's like Thomas White maybe another really talented high school left in a picture who just went out and showed it I think you're going to want to see more development of the secondaries before you go that far um but yeah I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: My question is like, what does Cam Cam and Eddie not do right now that you're skeptical about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think really it's pitch at the higher levels of the miners and that's just something that's going to come with time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay durable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a lot of things for every penny that's shocked off at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're in low-way, you don't have these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't say you have these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Richie, as you said, Jared Richie's kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both in the top 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're very different, like Joe Gerritchy, if you say, well, tell me about his pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We could be here for, you know, we could make that a whole podcast of its own if we wanted to, like, they're seven pitches at different times, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a guy who has shown the ability to mix and match to, you know, he can manipulate a baseball and that's going to be kind of key for him going forward, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be key, and he just has, he's one of these pictures who has a unique capacity to move the baseball around and to pick up pitch shapes seemingly overnight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was coming out of the draft, he was primarily a fastball slider, change up pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was three pitches that

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[SPEAKER_01]: people viewed us really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was viewed as an advanced athletic high school pitcher who a lot of people thought we're going to move quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He dealt with the Tommy John surgery and actually kind of recovered remarkably quickly from that and his polish and touch and feel came back pretty quickly as well, which I think just speaks to his innate peer pitching ability and athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now he's a guy who's throwing multiple fastball shapes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a foreseen fastball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He throws a change up, he throws a curveball, he throws a gyroslider, he's throwing a sweeper before, he's throwing a cutter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really do feel like if you're looking at recent braves pitching prospects, there are some Spencer Swellenbach shades here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pitcher who's going to command the ball and show you a very diverse arsenal of pitches that are going to keep you off balance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing holding Richie back, maybe multiple things holding Richie back is like, can you look at any of those pitches right now and say it's a plus offering I'm not sure that you can a year ago two years ago we would have said maybe his slider is going to be that pitch I know there was a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The time we were talking about that break involves one of the better sliders in this brave system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the fastball in general is a little bit lighter than you would like to see if you're hoping to project a top of the rotation sort of arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he can address those areas, either add a little bit more power to the fastball to miss more bets with that or show a true

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[SPEAKER_01]: like wipe out breaking ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that could help elevate the ceiling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about here with Richie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like this is a picture who should be getting opportunities with the Bigly Club this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would expect him to hold up pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you look at this farm system, as you said, it's been very pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, it's been excellent producing pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just mentioned, it's Spencer Strider, it's Spencer Small and Bach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's been guys like Bryson Elder as well, AJ Smith Schauber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been when it comes to arms, this organization has consistently kept producing pitchers, not just, you know, I mean, starters and guys going to the pen as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then last year we saw farm system wise, when the big league position players, when they hit injuries, when they hit an effect of this, they're just really wasn't a lot ready to step in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at it now, we asked this question, it's a system better or worse than last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wanna frame this slightly different for the braves?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens again this year, we've already seen it happen to some extent, which is Tyson Kim was supposed to be the shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is still supposed to be the shortstop, but we don't know if he'll be there ready to go in May, June, July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something where we know that it's going to be a delayed start of the season for him because of an offseason injury, slipped and fell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With that, is this fart system have the position player prospect depth to kind of fill in, even if it's not starters or is that still kind of the question?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the huge question here for the Braves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we talked about pitching a lot with the Braves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have actually done a sneaky good job of developing hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys like Drake Baldwin and Michael Harris, who were not first ground picks, they've developed into really productive big leaders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Drake Baldwin was just the rookie of the year ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had him on our top 100.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was ranked inside the top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have had some names at the top of the list in recent years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The top hitting prospect for them right now is Alex Lodis, who's just drafted

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of college and I wouldn't expect him to be the sort of college profile who's going to have a Nick Kurtz-like ascension to the majors, his hitting ability is not as refined as that at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do think that's kind of the whole UC in the system right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have had

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a need at short stop for a while now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If baseball is a sport like the NFL or the NBA, they would have just targeted that need by drafting three short stops consecutively in the 2025 draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All those guys are going to need more time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did draft three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They drafted three, they all need more time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some players in the lower levels of the miners who have some upper minor league experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys like Jim Jarvis, Patrick Clojacy, you could maybe

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[SPEAKER_01]: get innings, but neither of them project as every day, big ligars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If these are guys you're plugging into your line-up day in and day out, I don't think it's a great situation for the amount of runs you're going to be scoring on a daily basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've got some people with upper-minders experience that I view as more like reserve or backup types, but really we have not seen them develop or even select for a short stop prospect to kind of take over that hole for the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they've had to kind of use external options to fill that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the one area that you may be wish they had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't see any obvious names for that for next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Along those lines, to kind of just follow up a little bit on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, they drafted three short stops with their first three picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that Cody, you know, you can actually say that Cody Miller, who was the third that they took, you don't want to overgo overboard on pro-day views in their draft year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a very solid pro-day view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we would not be able to say the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that with with with Lodi's and Suf scene like neither of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would say like in in Suf the scene's case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 27 to one strike out to walk right really does jump out and Lodi's to some extent also 42 to five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for two, you know, for a guy who was considered a pretty polished bat like with had a coming off of an excellent college season, right, maybe a little tired or whatever, but how, how concerned, how concerning was that as you're doing the reporting on it, were those, those pro debuts for the short stuff they took it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll just say really quickly, at the start of this one, Kudos to the Braise for the job they did on Cody Miller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Miller is one of the two players that we didn't have ranked SRB 500, who they took in the first three rounds of the draft, and his context skills and his pro debut are really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think the Braise have done a nice job selecting for hitters that are a little underrated on draft day that actually pan out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if he's maybe the next in a line of those prospects, because he does have

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, exciting contact traits to build on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but with both lo-dees and would take south the scene, uh, I think with lo-dees, he's an interesting one because he has physicality, power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe he's not underrated at a short stop the fender now because I constantly try and say that he's really good and he is underrated and hopefully that is kind of gone around enough for people to actually give him some credit for for how impactful and dynamic he is as a defensive

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[SPEAKER_01]: putting together a really a player of the year type of season in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the most productive college hitters in baseball last spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very clear where his weaknesses and holes were as a hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is in a aggressive hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He likes to expand the zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He likes to swing the bat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he doesn't like to expand the zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because he swings off then he happens to expand the zone quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That worked for him in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be something he needs to refine and improve in order to tap into the power that he does have in pro ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that's the area of concern for low dc news to address with South the scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tastes out the scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost surprising to see the degree to which he struggled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that the current minor league set up for young high school hitters is conducive to success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's really not a great level to put them right off the bat in official games where they can go out and succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But even with that caveat,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a one of the worst debuts of any player from this draft in terms of just looking overmatched at the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was not swinging at pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He needed to be swinging to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not hitting the ball in the air in any capacity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was missing with great frequency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one positive you can say for Tate South, see from his debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is he is quite strong or a high school hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hits the ball hard when he does connect, but he quite simply just looked like a player who was over match at the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would expect given the system for a guy like Tate South the scene where he was ranked in our draft and where he was selected in the draft to immediately jump into their top 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those struggles are the reason he's not currently in our top 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good athlete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a chance to play multiple defensive positions, source up, second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: center field and I think he could wind up being pretty good at all three of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, he has massive offensive questions he's going to have to answer this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we, as you kind of mentioned, we are still looking at a system where of the not top nine prospects, eight are pictures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is still a very, very, very picture heavy system looking ahead to next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked a little bit about already about JR Richie, who's not, I can't fully figure out the scenario where Richie would leapfrog him because if Richie's that good, he should kind of hopefully should graduate here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there someone else here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is video Fuentes or a Briggs McKenzie or maybe Diego Torne?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there someone further down on this list who could leap in a contention for that number one spot a year from now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the two guys who I'm most excited about who maybe could be and neither of these guys are going to graduate, I'd be stunned if they graduated because neither have appeared in official state set programs, but Briggs McKenzie number five who is also a recent addition to the brace pharmacist from the 2025 draft he actually got the most money of their draft class this past year although he's taken a little bit later that's common for a lot of high school pictures to get overpaid and law rounds, but Briggs is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a similar talent to a lot of the high school pictures of the phrase to take in in recent years, guys like Jared Richio and Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he wasn't quite to the level that we had Cam Cam and Edie, but he also wasn't that far off from that range.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And really, with the first month or two of Briggs season during the spring, he was tracking towards a sort of Cam and Edie slam dunk first round, sort of range.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was showing more velocity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The change-up was improved, but then kind of as the season progressed, the velocity came down a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's still a lot of unknowns with brigs because we haven't seen him in pro ball but the way that you hear him discussed from braves officials who like him and got a chance to see him they love the way this guy goes out and competes the change up that he flashed is ridiculous and it's weird to me to talk about McKinsey's change up so frequently when I bring him up because his breaking ball is like a 3000 rpm

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bangor of a breaking ball that was one of the better breaking balls in the class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I have no doubt that whatever that breaking ball becomes, if it's more of a sweeper, if it's more of like a dry row, he's going to have a good breaking ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be stunned if he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So watching the sort of velocity growth for Briggs McKinsey and just seeing, okay,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the pitchability going to look like?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have pretty optimistic thoughts on what he can be as a peer pitcher just having seen him in high school, but you never really know until they get out into pro ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So getting more confidence on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I think on the hitting side,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Diego Tornez, who was a very prominent international signing from them a year ago, I think he is the biggest upside hitter in the system and granted that is a low bar for this brave system that we said is very pitch or heavy, but Diego Tornez could have above average tools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: across the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his pro debut was exceptional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to pull up his stat line and say, well, Carlos, he didn't hit a single home run in 32 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The slug was low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we have a lot more information that's telling us that the inputs here, how hard he's hitting the ball is more impressive than his surface level numbers, show a

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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty universally, the feedback we've got on Diego Tornado is his entire game, but the approach at the plate, the impact he was hitting the ball with defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe this is surprising to some people who were following him prior to him actually going to the DSL in playing, but he looked quite good as a defender, he was running well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a risk that he moves to a corner, but for now, he looks like he absolutely should stick in centerfield and stay there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a plus arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We currently have above average grades on him across the board

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a 50 on the hit tool, which is pretty loud for a player coming off an age 16 season who hasn't appeared to stay side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, while for both these players a long ways to go, a lot of uncertainty still, there's plenty of be excited about for both as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually got to see McKenzie pitch because he's an North Carolina kid, so I was able to make a, I have to see one of his last starts of the high school season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, kind of what you said, like, I'm very fascinated to see how he develops, because there's a lot to really impress by, but at the same time, there is still, he was a high school pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more, you know, then if you're talking about college arm, you're kind of like talking about present stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, more kind of almost present secondary is it's like, okay, how's that fast ball going to develop over the next three, four, five, six, seven years, which is always the fascinating part of this does you see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at this organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that the answer to what is this or good at developing is going to be pitching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll ask it so I'll ask it a little bit this way because it was used to be hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they produced, there has been an intention to this in some ways, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, when we talk about that, this is a pitching heavy organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: somewhat that makes sense when you have locked up a first basement, a catcher, a first basement, a second basement, a third basement, a right fielder, and a center fielder to long-term deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you said, hey, we're going to go position player heavy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just really acquiring players, you're developing players largely to trade them at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they did

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did develop multiple catchers, you know, shaling a lears was traded away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: William Contreras was traded away in bringing back a veteran and Sean Murphy, then they ended up developing Drake Baldwin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like it's been zero, but what is it about what the braves have done on the pitching side that has been such a success?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the braves have been one of the more aggressive teams in targeting pictures coming off of injury that they just buy into the talent and they buy into the makeup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two of their biggest success stories, Spencer Strider and Spencer Schwellenbach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the success stories, just drafting Spencer's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if they have any in the future that they grab.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of those are players who

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of uncertainty just given like when they were selected, there are questions about injuries with both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with Strider in particular it's more impressive because Schwelenbalk is viewed as a consensus top 100 prospect at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't the case for for Spencer Strider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Dodgers are another team that you see having some success with this strategy, like teams that are

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just an acknowledgement that, okay, all these pictures, we think are of a chance to get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to hurt at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So May is, we'll take the guys who we just believe in the arm talent, help them rehab and get back on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's worked out for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that specific, like player demographic is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're also, I think sometimes we can over complicate like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: our team's good at developing X player or Y player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it just comes down to like, what are the profiles that you're actually acquiring and getting into your system?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to develop a ton of hitters if you're not selecting for a lot of hitters and the braves have been one of the most aggressive teams in the last five to seven years in the draft of selecting pictures at the top of the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also kind of overlapped with a window of time where they really did not have much activity in the international market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of beyond their penalties in the international markets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are seeing some of those players trickle in, but I think part of it is like, like you said, they've had an enviable, young, controlled position player core.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's been some ability to just go really aggressive on pitching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even if you're not good at developing pitching, you're probably gonna get some success stories with that strategy just purely in terms of volume.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, I think they've done a nice job

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[SPEAKER_01]: having individualized pitching plans for a lot of their arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've never felt like a cookie cutter sort of organization to me where they want all their pitchers to chase whatever the pitching meta is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they've done a really nice job of leaning into the strengths of what their pitchers come to them with and really trying to make them most of the strengths and then alleviate whatever the issues are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a few years and I think maybe a lot of scenes are doing this now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like the bracelet done a nice job simplifying young picture arsenals and letting them really get reps and improve one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once you kind of mastered a fast ball, a good breaking ball, then you kind of open things up and you start to develop other pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are kind of some of the things I felt like the bracelet done a nice job of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond pitching, they also seem to just do well with these multi-sport two-way player types.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Harris is Austin Rylees, Spencer Schwellenbox, like for whatever reason I associate them with two-way players, Kim Kim and Eddie was a two-way player in high school, and they just seem to do well with that demographic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that they really do you out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They taking the guy who asked him out of this thought to be a pitcher, and then if you thought you liked him as a hit or was like, well, but it's no way that he's going to be able to stay at third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's up being a good third base when defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like Michael Harris as a pitcher when he was coming out of high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw Michael Harris in the low A, I remember thinking I've never seen anyone with a faster rotational speed on their trunk, like, but the same time I didn't know if you'd ever hit a ball in play, because it was like, I mean, it was just like he pulled everything so fast, you know, with this with this swing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to wrap up the video portion of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you are listening to the podcast feed or if you want to go over to the podcast feed, we're going to keep going and talk about some sleepers and a couple of other topics right after this quick break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we covered the top 10 pretty well, I feel like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But going beyond the top 10, who are some other names to know here, looking down the road at, you know, some guys who could pop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the most interesting one to me is Connor Esenberg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is another two way prospect that the brave jumped on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a recent drafty from the 2025 class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really talented pitcher and alphiliter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like hitting is gonna be the future for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Esenberg has tremendous bat speed and raw power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't yet seen him,

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[SPEAKER_01]: do anything in official games, he just hasn't played in official games yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get a better understanding of what the pure hit tool is in 2020, six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that if you're looking at like power, potential players in the system, SMberg will be towards the top of the list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in high school this spring, he had a match up with Jack Bauer, who is the hardest throwing high school left-hander on record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that were a way of 102 miles per hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He took 99 miles per hour from Jack Bauer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and homework against it to the opposite field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's very rare for high school hitters to even witness, I mean, nine mile per hour, velocity, let alone do anything with it when they see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that alone, I feel like is massively impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've also heard kind of crazy stories about a hormone that he hit in unofficial games against the race, like his ability to fire his hips, fire his hands, and drive the ball at his age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like he's got prototypes or right field tools with a big arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the talented pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got to the mid 90s, 94 on the mound in high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's definitely going to have a good arm that will profile and write.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's maybe the most interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he goes out and just says a decent year, his tools alone should be able to push him into the top 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone else who kind of jumps out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one who kind of popped early on, you know, kind of is there's a couple other names that, you know, that jump out that had been kind of talked about the past like I say a drake is flashed I think at times, but at the same time has not put it all together yet in anyone else on that kind of list that you're like, hey, you know, a little bit less likely, but there's still something kind of intriguing here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think right beside I say a Drake in the 20s here, Eric Hartman, who's an alpha, who's drafted off Canada on the 20th round in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the better defenders in the system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just gets really good reviews for his instincts, brought running ability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's above our

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can play all three outfield positions and he's shown in a flashes offensively that I think if he took a step forward, it wouldn't be shocking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not sure how much power he's going to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been very pull heavy at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His 55.2% pull rate was one of the more aggressive pull rates in the system, especially among players that

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I actually have a significant amount of at bats and playing time, but the contact skills and his swing decisions I think could be carrying traits for him as a hit or so if he's able to continue making strides, this will be his age 20 season, he's not played above low a so a little bit further away and I'm not exactly confident in the offensive tools, but there's enough here and he comes from a background where wouldn't shock me if he's kind of this just slow burning type where he continues to improve each year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to bring up one other name because he led to one of the most fascinating discussions I think we had at Prospect Handbook Time in the Offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were working on grades and we talked about tools, grades, and all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to lead into it and then we'll talk about the name of the player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of got to the question of, can a player have 70 grade pitches with 20 grade control?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Yankala Slara was the one we were talking about this because you could really argue on the pure quality of pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is two plus pitches, maybe it's two double plus, maybe it's two that are among the better quality of pitches, but at the same time, with some of the worse control that exist in the upper minors as well, and that led to that whole debate about, okay, is it a plus plus slider, if you don't land it very consistently, is it a plus plus fastball, if you only see it like thrown in the zone the way you want to see it, sporadically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has some of the best pure stuff in the system and control that just has to improve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say two grades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, I think we're being charitable, we say 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you could argue that like you could improve it significantly and it still would stay in that 20 to 30 range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have to have 30 control to be able to succeed in any way in the majors even in short snippets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the chances that that control could get to a point where the stuff that's just so extremely impressive could play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like I tend to be in the camp of I'm disconnecting the pitches from the control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't view it as like our power projection folds in, raw power and pure hitting ability for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to view the pitches almost in a vacuum because if he goes out and he improves the control two grades in those pitches stay the exact same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The pitches are more effective now, but they're the same pitches he was throwing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just knows how to throw them for strikes better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of like philosophically where I come from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see the argument.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for people who were maybe in the other camp or they're kind of connected and tied together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he misses a ton of bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was only a few years ago where we had a breakout season and it looked like the strikes were heading in the right direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is some glimmer of hope that he can't throw strikes better than he has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he also had nearly a 20% walk rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 19.9% walk rate this past year, which if you are taking major league walk rates from every major league pitcher,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and kind of sketching that out on the 20 to 80 scale, that's off the scale of control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you say we're being kind, putting a 20, that's what JJ is talking about here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like his current walk rate, if it doesn't improve at all, his below the bottom of the scale, which it's a 10, which big ligars are perfectly capable of watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 111 miles per hour go by them and be called a ball like this is a skill that they all have at this stage that they've seen plenty of filthy breaking balls and and believe it or not they can still pick those pitches up if they're not close to the zone as well

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the scouting report on him is going to be like if he came up, it would be like make him throw you a strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's automatic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You take auto take it still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two strikes really maybe not two strikes because I don't know if you want to face this lighter with two strikes because it is a filthy pitch, but yeah, you'd be auto taking for large because it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his controlling command is literally like, do you know where the ball is going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way we write it is on the right day, Laura can be unhittable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just, he can't attack the zone consistently enough for for me to feel confident that he's going to make the most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there are maybe Laura is one of the more extreme examples of this in the minors, but I feel like there are so many pictures in the minor leagues who have filthy stuff and just can never figure out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the strike throwing component, and that's what prevents them from being big leaders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same is true for position players who are elite defenders, but just can never hit enough to actually warrant being on a big league roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you'd lower on the same way, he's a reliever only now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the braves have committed to starting him some in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope they just fully put him in a reliever role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still started nine games in Gwynette last year, five games in Columbus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, you've put this guy straight in a bullpin and let him let the fast bone cider eat for an inning and see what you can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of hope that at some point there's something that clicks, it's like, oh, this is the problem, because sometimes there is, like I'm gonna blank on the name, but I remember like looking at, there was a tiger's pitcher who's in their 30 now and watching him on synergy and realizing, oh, he's really funky and your draft report when we wrote him up, it's like, he's really funky from this, it's really hard to pick it up, it's like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as realized, he was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was the window to throw strikes was like so small and then they moved him to the middle of the mound like basically the middle of the rubber is like okay his release point now is like that all of a sudden instead of trying to hit a little sliver of this plate he can now hit the whole plate and all of a sudden his walk rate cut in half I'm not going to say there's going to be that kind of fixed with Laura but it is something where stuff wise he is still fascinating to watch

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[SPEAKER_00]: The braves have a new head of their pitching development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of take us through that and do you think that that's going to lead to any changes in their approach?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, braise of how a lot of success on developing pictures and they probably, that I would say that they rank with the Dodgers as most willing to embrace injury risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they get, they know they're gonna get burned sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a draft where like if you look at their top 10 rounds, pretty much every picture they drafted and a position player, all had Tommy John, David the Cave, that draft also had Tommy John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that gonna change now, do you think, or is this the same approach just a new kind of, you know, leader at the top?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get more of a sense that the things are kind of be pretty similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I haven't heard anything I were looking for a really radical change here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little surprising to hear that they were parting ways with Paul Davis, who had been with the team for a while and it helped produce some of these big pitching wins that we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Strider, Spencer Schwellenbach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly in area that I'm kind of curious to see how it unfolds and to see if there are noticeable changes in how pictures are being developed or if there is a specific difference in the sort of traits that are being targeted for pictures in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's more a curiosity with me more than anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't get the sense and I don't think it would make a lot of sense for the brace to overhaul entirely what they're doing on the pitching side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just given the whole conversation we've had here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: today about their system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's something that I just views more more notable and of interest and something I'm definitely going to be keeping tabs on this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is our look at the brave system, where I braze prospect podcast deep dive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos, you know, it's been, again, we'll be fasting year to watch the brave, especially because last year was very uncharacteristic for where they've been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if it's the start of the trend or it's just a blip on their way back to contending in what let's just say is still a very, very competitive nationally eastern vision, you know, we know that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The marlins are on the way up, but still away is the way probably the national seem like that they're continuing their rebuild and maybe kind of taking a step back to hopefully down the road, take a step forward if you're a national fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say that the mats are clearly not shining away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen that and obviously the fillies still have a lineup and a rotation to to fear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be interesting to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope you enjoyed this prospect podcast.

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