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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another baseball America prospect podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are diving into the Detroit Tigers top 30 today that's your host Jeff Ponce alongside me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's dive right into this system, JJ, one of the deeper systems that we're gonna cover in this series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very exciting up top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk maybe a little bit more big picture about this tiger's rebuild, because since the last time a tiger's were

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see in the world series, but at least in the ALCS, since they were the last competitive team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen some rebuilds, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's been some rebuilds over the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've started to see it come to fruition at the major league level over the last two or three years, but there's sort of another gear here that might get hit in 2026 potentially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, where is the team at right now and what's sort of the state of the farm system?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you took the last two years and you sliced it in the most favorable way for the Tigers, they're one of the best teams in the American League, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you take the team that finished 2024 and started 2025, that's a dominating team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were seemingly out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they made that furious run at the end of 24 made of the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't they come back in 25 and they come out in the role and then it all falls apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then if you took the first half of 24 and the second half of 25, you could say, this is an apply opti, even though they've gone to the playoffs for the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've actually, you know, made a little bit of noise in the playoffs as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This offseason obviously very different, which is they went out, signed from Revaldas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: can we have the Terkscouble?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he just got a ton of money in arbitration, but Terkscouble, paying that much money for one year to the best pitcher in the American League is a privilege, not a burden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just lay that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The opportunity to have the back-to-back siren winner taking the mound for you, hopefully 32 to 34 times next year or the upcoming season is not a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now having another guy

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[SPEAKER_00]: front of the rotation starter, the rest of that pitching staff as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the question I think really does become, I think we'll dive into this a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good team line-up wise, but I don't know if everything fits together as it's currently constructed, and that's where this is going to get really challenging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said I'm part because like if you look at a guy like Valdez,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, is a ground ball pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So infield defense is valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you said, what does this infield defense look like on a normal day, I don't know if there's gonna be a whole lot of days where you say that there's an above average to plus defender anywhere around the infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you said, okay, well, what if we retool things here

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[SPEAKER_00]: the things that we're talking about probably also don't get them to having an above average to plus to fender anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you said, the guys that they have currently, like obviously, they have hoggier bias back there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's economic history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have colt Keith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have labor tourists back for another year because he accepted the qualifying offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have Spencer Torkelson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys, again, there's some good bats there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some guys, again, if you took before your bias, you could say that you had a half season of really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet a half season where half of your bias has been kind of the guy that we've seen a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you said, okay, what do you hope out of that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that you're hoping that any of those players are plus defenders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, McHenstree, like, who's going to be the shore stop?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be McHenstree?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be bias?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be Kevin MacGomagol?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be a little bit of trace weeny?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, it could, it's trade crews part of that mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of names there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, there's a lot of guys called Keith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's in played a whole lot of third base for the I guess because He hasn't been very good over there if he part of that mix at third base or is it the chemistry or is it virling or is it we could go kind of with all of these positions other than second base Which seems like that's where labor doors is going to pay play and you got torkels to it first There's a lot of mix and match, but again, we don't have a whole lot of guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are gloves coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some really good gloves lower down in the miners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Short stops who can really play short stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not what you have kind of knocking on the door or in the big leagues right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it's going to be in our system how all this fits together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that is the most exciting part of this, in addition to the number one prospect in this system, outside of Connor Griffin, one of the better prospects that I've covered in the five years here at Baseball America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to say, it probably wasn't a very difficult decision to rank Kevin McGonagall at one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if you have to answer that question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am interested to hear how you, maybe outside folks, maybe some of your insights courses, view McGonagall's 20, 26 playing out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What percentage of his games and at bats are going to come at the big league level?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I think, a very much to be determined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could make a very strong case that he could be there all year, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that would be fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just got to double a. I would say, if Glaber Torres, now, okay, I can argue both sides of this, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Glaber Torres had not resigned, I could see the Tigers basically spinning the entire offseason saying, get ready at second base, come to spring training and your goal is to try to win the second base job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is the best fit defensively from a gonical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he hasn't played a ton of games there, I think that that would be something where you're like, okay, defensively we're asking a little bit less of you, which makes it a little easier to kind of make that a sentence and kind of step into the big league lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You with him with hit that being kind of second base being blocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the question becomes, okay, where is he going to play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's any scenario where you bring Kevin McDonald up to play part time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have him at the big league level, you want him playing very regularly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, okay, is it shortstop or third base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, that's where this gets a little tougher because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where he's a little bit more stretched defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has very little experience at third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really a position that he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can any way say he's mastered?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a lot of experience at shortstop, but that's the position where he's a little stretched there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His arm isn't great for the position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say that he has exceptional range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everything that when you talk to scouts who really like him, even defensively, is that they think he could be a plus defender at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really have never talked to anyone that thinks he could be a plus or an above average defender at short stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe someone out there does exist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't found that person yet and talking to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's the case,

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[SPEAKER_00]: goes back to what we were just talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, is it ready?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready to push him up to the big leagues?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either at a position where he doesn't have a whole lot of experience, third base, get second base, unless they're moving labor tours at this point in his career with third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second base seems to be kind of blocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you willing to put him at short stop say we're going to live with kind of fringy defense there defensively, but we also think this guy will be one of the best hitters in our lineup by midseason and it's worth it for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where the discussion becomes really interesting and the other part of that is is that we both again love Kevin McGonagall is a prospect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think if you said what could go wrong in 26 for him, a lot of it comes down to, if he's asked to kind of be stretched defensively, could that carry over to the plate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't have a whole lot of worries about Kevin McGonagall as a hitter, but we do know that if you ask, I mean, this would be one of the youngest players in the major leagues, and you're asking them to be stretched defensively, sometimes that can have negative effects on your, you know, and you at the plate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my only big overriding risk about him as far as the hit or I think he's one of the best pure hitters we've seen come through the miners in a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these are the questions that kind of aren't they don't have obvious answers to the way I put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's what's kind of interesting about all this you know what we talked about in the open of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the team kind of heading into this all in in 26 direction, you have this guy who doesn't have any triple A time or was certainly put that out there, though, I think over the last decade we've seen that substantial amounts of triple A time don't necessarily make you any more ready, if anything, it kind of gives you a signal or a sign that a team isn't so confident that a player is, you know, available and able to help the team immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they might skip the level all entirely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They might put them up there for a couple of weeks and then call them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that that's out of the realm of possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also a chance he spends half a season there too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen that from teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if he goes to AAA, by the way, it's not even crazy that you could send it back to AA to start the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he was there for a long time, but whatever it is, I think a lot of that would be if you send him down, it is like maybe it is to play third base like every day to try to get to a level of comfort at third base to where you say, okay, the goal is is whether it's May, whether it's June, we're going to bring you up to be potentially

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's, you know what, we thought that you're almost ready, but we want you to keep working on your defensive shortstop, so that when we call you up, like those are, I think it's going to be much more based about where do you see him fitting in your lineup in 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go back to the miners, then it is, oh, he needs another 300, 400 plate appearances, so we'll feel comfortable about his bat and where how ready his bat is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw it last year in person, like as a hitter,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot, I don't think the AAA is going to teach him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any lessons he still has to learn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them probably are things that you will kind of get that test in the majors and then have to make those adjustments in the major leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's what the tricky part of all this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the next question here, JJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How is this system better or worse than it was last year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a tricky one, I think, because the guys that made it good this year were good last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say like in some like let's start by saying this is the best the Tiger's farm system has been in the baseball America era baseball America founded in 1981 and for the vast vast vast vast majority of the years it's not that the Tigers haven't produced players over the years at times especially some pictures but when it comes to position players this is not a system that is produced a ton of great hitters a ton of great position players

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, if you're raising your hand and saying, wait a lot about Alan Tramill and Lou Whitaker, that precedes the baseball America era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking much more of the Nick Castellanus and there aren't a ton of hitters better than that who've come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say in recent years, we've seen more because we've seen Riley Green and Dylan Dingler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen guys like this that have produced

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, hitter-wise, it is in really great shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there are a ton of intriguing hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a ton of up the middle players here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you say, we talked about my gondola that you talked about Max Clark, who was at the same level as those guys, as the gondola, as Jose Perseignio, who was also very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, you have that coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That second to hear of guys like a trade cruise who had a better year last year got added to the 40 mana how you leave who's kind of knocking on the door you have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And your brimantea you've got guys further down you've got there's a number of intriguing guys here position player was at kind of all levels there's some catchers there are some short stop slash middle and fielders there are a few outfielders or some out that as well all that's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: pitching wise, so if you said, well, is this system better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: From that standpoint, yes, even with the backing up of Thyron Lorenzo and a couple other guys, this is the better system that was last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin McGonagall has taken another step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that you could say that, you know, multiple players, position players took a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pitching side is much, much, much thinner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is not a picture in this top 10 right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was looking at it and trying to make a case for a picture for the top 10, the cases were like, I got like a Kelvin Salceto who I really liked, but he had like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: couple a cup of coffee and low I in the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's and he could be end up being a reliever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a guy who's good, but like you don't want to go overboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did draft Malachi with her spoon, you know, one of the withers spoon, you know, brothers, but one who had a 60 R.A. pretty much for his college career has control issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have guys like Owen Hall, you know, Andrew Sears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of pictures who last couple years they've drafted who've been injured, who have struggled to be helped the a couple of guys who took steps forward and now Jayden Ham took step forward and he's taking a step back and stuff kind of really backed up last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of pitching where you're like, okay, maybe this breaks through, but it's not there right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a team that did just produce Jackson Job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's coming off, you know, you're coming back later this year, but it's not like that this is a team who hasn't produced any arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you could throw in the, you know, the the resoulsons of the world, you know, they have KC Myes notation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They produce, it's not like I've produced before, but I'm saying right now in the minor leagues, there's not a whole lot of, oh, this arm is ready, or if you said who's, who are gonna be the guys who step in if Ter's school believes as expected at the end of the year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a whole lot of starters who are knocking on the door that you expect to be kind of that mid season or late season arrival who then steps into a solid spot in rotation that's a little bit more of a question I would say here so the good the good and where it's better I would say is on the position player side and where it's worse is on the pitcher side largely because there's a number of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty prominent pictures that they've taken in recent years, you know, the Paul Wilson's, the guys like that, the Schleiffenbines who just haven't been healthy in a Michael Maths, there's a lot of you guys who haven't been healthy and you want to see them get on the mound and then do it for the course of a full or close to a full season to kind of see what they can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think your point about the pitching is as well stated and of course, Jackson Joe was still was still prospect eligible heading into last year too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I think that the other parts of the system took away the position depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: has taken such a step forward in the last year that even with the loss of Job who was our number three prospect under in the year last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one of the more highly ranked ventures that we've had, and fortunately for a rank from a ranking standpoint, graduated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have to think about him for another year and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But interesting to see where this system is gone and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this front office is really moved tigers in a modern direction, so maybe that can be hoped for some of these other teams that took on different front offices that things can change very quickly, just be patient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's move on to the next question here, and I think this is an interesting one because there are some obvious answers, but maybe some debate depending upon who graduates, who is your

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, this does get tricky because we just talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't talked about Max Clark a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This may be an opportunity to talk about Max Clark a little bit, which is another top 10 prospect in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that he could very well graduate this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't look at the Tigers outfield and say, well, this is a lineup of three all-star outfielders, and no one's gonna push that aside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Parker Meadows coming off of an injured play gear, all these really good defender and center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: bias plays out there some, you know, you have Riley Green who I think is kind of the one that you write in an ink and say he's playing pretty much every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's healthy, carry carpenter, deaching, going back and forth in the outfield and then a whole lot of, well, what does this veerling get some at, you know, play prints out there's when cell Perez gets some play to princess out there's the other guys like there's a lot of like candidates, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could just struck the case very easily that by mid-season max Clark is the best option they have because the guy can really hit, but also on top of that he could be a really like you have the chance to have if you put him in the outfield to say with a Parker Metos, you are really also doing something from a run prevention standpoint because

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[SPEAKER_00]: those guys can both really run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clark should be a very good defender as well, who, you know, again, if you put in that scenario, you probably put medals in center on those days, and you put Clark and Wright and Greene and left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that could be a pretty good outfield defensively as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he could graduate pretty polished hitter again, like there's, there's a lot really to like there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't graduate and we are assuming in this case that the guy on the go does, then Clark is your logical number one next year, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Rainer, who, again, when we say the system better worse, Bryce Rainer was kind of got off to a solid start and then had a significant shoulder injury that kind of cost him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: two-thirds, four, you know, three-fifths of the season last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be healthy this year, but if Bryce Rainer comes back healthy, that was the guy who was debated with Connor Griffin on who was the best high school shortstop in that class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's big power there, there's, you know, legitimate infield tools,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The funny thing is, it's like, I don't know if he was the best shortstop on his own team, but that doesn't even mean that he couldn't be a really good shortstop, because I do love, it was fun watching that Lakeland team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever they were on my LBTV, because there's some really good defenders there on that team, from New York, Vermont, for he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he could be a very

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I mean, he could be like we're saying like they could graduate a pair of top 10 prospects in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's crazy at all to think that Bryce Rainer could be a top 10 prospect at this time next year if he has a healthy season, you know, makes it to double a all that like that could be the next thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy who I will say is up there right now, who I don't see being the number one, is Hoseway, Percenio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a knock against Hoseway, Percenio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But every else, other guy we're talking about here, just has more defensive value, less defensive questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Percenio is a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has got real power, but it's a little bit more of kind of a limited profile, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the other guys that we're talking about here are much more kind of dynamic profiles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be my, again, if I had to guess right now, I would say that my likely chances is it's Rainer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mention a guy like Jordan Yosel was the first time in the last year too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Rainer just has louder tools

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I argued that price reiner could be the number one prospect in baseball with a great season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the skill set is very comparable to like from a hitter standpoint to a young Roman Anthony, only he has a chance to stay in the left side of the infield, which Roman Anthony was the prospect he was, ranked the way he was, got the money that he did as a corner out fielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a shortstop or a third baseman and I do think he has the arm and it's a rocket to stick over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think right now could could potentially blow up this year with a full healthy year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, hitting in the Midwest league and then potentially getting up to AA, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never get the benefit of it and the Texas League, some of these teams hitting in the Cow League, that's sort of thing, but the Florida State League, in particularly Lakeland, is not an easy place to hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So credit to hit or the power that he showed there, because it's typically a league that suppresses power quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like we've kind of already answered this question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is this organization good at developing JJ?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's never been the case before, but you have seen a transformation as far as what I would say that you've seen two things, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see a transformation in what the tigers go after in the draft?

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[SPEAKER_00]: More so than internationally, but I would say draft internationally, but especially in the draft in the last five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It used to be that this was an organization that drafted tools and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was kind of a running line of SEC pictures with relief for risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was kind of a running thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say the tools, like a few some position players said, it was tools first and then try to develop the bats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we all said, didn't work from all that well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a lot of guys that they drafted pretty high who would like, okay, this guy's a really good defender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's got to hit well enough to make it and we've seen, I mean, I'm not going to just try to write it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the examples that then they flipped and I would say that they then emphasized hitters and okay, even if they have defensive questions, let's get guys who can hit and then develop them defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say that that's worked, although there's still

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[SPEAKER_00]: that this organization still has a number of guys, Max Anderson had a very good 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, really did kind of take a step forward and got better defensively at second base, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you still have a question with him where does he fit defensively in the long term?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it may be that that kind of prevents him from ever being a regular, maybe he doesn't fit somewhere defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How you lead, who's a good solid player,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he fits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're still trying to say, well, where is Colt Keith going to fit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's obviously signed to an extension and long-term and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where is he going to fit defensively for this team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they had that wave, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is this wave of guys, you could throw the, the Pacheco's and all this as well, where they had that wave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they seem to have unlocked another thing, which is now, then they've got, you know, then you could throw the McGonagl's, you could throw the Max Clarks, you could throw the Bryce Reiner's, we'll see if it's Jordan used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now where I would say that they then kind of went that next step of guys who had both hitting ability and defensive value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: McGonagl is a steal for them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he was a colder weather, less of a baseball hotbed area, so there was concerns that way from an evaluator standpoint how much is this guy, what he's doing based about who he's playing versus how good he is, so there was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there was that he's also not very big, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you said, I said earlier, like the biggest concern I could come up with with Kevin McGonagall is his defense effect is bad, especially in the short term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other one in the long term is, and I'm not really saying that this is going to happen, but like we always end up talking about Connor Griffin and Bryce, I mean, and McGonagall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about it, we compare them on all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The difference between these two is that Kevin McGonagal has to buy max out strength-wide all these aspects of his game, to where if he loses a notch, if he just drops down as far as athletically as far as strength as far as all these things, if he drops a tear on that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to affect him much more than it will say a guy like a Connor Griffin, who kind of comes into, will reach the majors as basically one of the best athletes in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where there's a little difference here, but even with that, like again, McGonagal is a steal of a draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Max Clark, they were picking high, but Max Clark looks like what they expected when they drafted him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but he should be a very well-rounded player who's a very productive big league, especially when we throw in the speed, potentially defense all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They dumb that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those things are really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say though, that also on the pitching side, they have been really good at developing pictures who

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very much, it seems like an emphasis of the Tigers to make sure that you have a way to get right handers out in your way, it left handers out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that means that you're almost like two different pictures, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of, there's a little bit of an astros field to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, AJ Hinch came out of the Astros organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say on top of that, the Big League club has shown that they know how to take a guy's like a keyter Montero and figure out what is the way to maximize the value of these players as they come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: those things are all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why if you said like why are the tigers coming off back to back playoff appearances?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's just be clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this team doesn't make the playoffs in 2026, it would be a massive disappointment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the team that I would say that you would, this is the team that ideally is constructed that by October,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tiger should be a team that no one wants to face, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say bi October, because bi October, again, assuming health, you have a schoolable, and you have a Valdez front of the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, by that point, in some form, you should have Jackson Joe back to who could be useful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, you have this whole season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a relatively deep system, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a system who has guys who are

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[SPEAKER_00]: are not going to fit for the tigers necessarily, who you could then trade in deals to try to help out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you said to take an extreme example of it, if you said what team could really benefit

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[SPEAKER_00]: potentially from just adding one really plus defender in the infield, just to kind of become part of this mix, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not saying that finding a plus defender at short stop in a trade is going to be cheap, but if you're saying that you don't really care that much about how much he hits, could be reasonably obtainable, those kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would really have, or if it's was like, hey, we're going to, okay, we've been bouncing around on this, but we've decided we're going to really fix this by going out and getting a goal glove third base for the rest of the year or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are ways that this team could really take a step forward from a run prevention standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really deep at catcher because we just talked about like they produced still inningler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still have Jake Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really good one to a catcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have, even if we say they could probably use another outfield or a regular, maybe that's Max Clark, could also say that they're not really even, there's no one injury where you're like, oh, okay, well, this is all derailed now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They played a ton of guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, this organization is in a really good place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And going to give them credit here right now, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: plus Google, plus Labor Taurus taking the qualifying offer, you put all these things together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in a division where very, very, very few teams spend, the tigers are spending, and that very well could be the difference in this division this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll take it a step further with your playoff comment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they don't win this division by five games this year, I think that's a disappointment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They finished a game behind the Guardians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They won 87 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For them to do that, they had to go, they were pretty, they were in great July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were 11 and 14 July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were 17 and 17 in September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone forgets, how many games in a row that they lost for a stretch, there was a 11 or 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a really, really down stretch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a 90 plus win team that went through the ringer at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Connor captured a little bit so it will be let me let me summarize this with there were 80 and 58 going into September exactly if you to set at that point hey okay I got good news for you guys just win 89

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[SPEAKER_00]: When nine games this month, that would have done it and it didn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that is a, and by the way, I think it's just one of our team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it would have been a bad month, and they still would have won it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, but let me just lay out with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I do think, like, we'll see again, they've done it off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would say has been a much more kind of aggressive off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other key thing with that, though, is they had a pretty quiet deadline last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think, I'll just lay it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just laid it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are players here, like who, we haven't talked about John Peck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like John Peck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Peck is potentially a very useful big leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have more of these guys at AA, AAA, and the majors between those three levels, then you can play, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you said, how many infielders do they have for AAA and the majors who are basically either AAA ready or major in the major leagues

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have more than they're going to be able to play you and so with that being the case now some of these guys I don't want to make a sound like trade crews has massive trade value right I don't want to make it sound like Jason has miss message how you leave max Anderson but they have some value there are teams where

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[SPEAKER_00]: Max Anderson, the bat may be enough to be like, we'll figure it out, but he would actually help us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we, you know, and I would say that right now, if you set on the depth chart of second base, he's probably fourth or fifth, and he's ready for AAA, but like there's so many guys we could mention who, if you had, you know, if Glaber Torres went down, well, then Kevin McGonagall should be your everyday second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the nightmare happened and glabber and mechanical, then you still have additional options ahead of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have players who you're going to run out of time to figure out where they fit, but again, if you're saying, could you trade some of these guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you trade, again, like maybe even like get really aggressive and trade one of these short stops?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at that point, then you really could make a significant upgrade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we don't know where there's things going to be in July, but I do think there was a lesson to be learned from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, two years ago, the lesson was, hey, you can have it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can trade away a jack flare at the deadline and then make a run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year was the lesson I needed to get him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then getting him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year was the lesson of maybe we're going, maybe we should have been a little bit more aggressive, filled some of these holes, and they didn't, and then the team seemed to kind of run out of gas at the second half season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if they avoid that this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and that's a good points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that wraps up our video version of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening on the podcast, stick around as you know, we got plenty more to come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, JJ, we are back for the second half of this podcast where you can get a little deeper into this very talented tiger's system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: JJ, let's go right into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are some of the sleepers that are outside of the top 10?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We spent a lot of time in the top 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'd even talk about some of the guys in the back end so you certainly can make some of those in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are the guys that you're kind of looking at saying, hey, when we do this next year, I think these are guys that could potentially be top 10

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned South Cito that I feel like the need to start there because like we both have talked about how much we kind of enjoyed watching him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of funky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's really good stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you are saying who are the tiger's minorly pictures with the best pure stuff, there's a lot of pitches where you could make the argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe for this, it's South Cito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe for this, it's South Cito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, far away,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't want to go overboard on something like that when a guy is this far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's 100% kind of like a name absolutely to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of can help combine on a no hitter in the FCL last year and then made it up to the board of state league at the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he's one that really jumps out, but we did talk about him a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to talk a little bit about John Peck, who was a pick out of Pepperdine a few years, pick a pick up pick old peppers, you know, but the pack was a Pepperdine pick a couple of years ago and

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of belief in the glove, and then I said that the bat has ended up being a little bit better so far than maybe expected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I still think there are questions about how much John Peck's gonna hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's a lot of questions about how much he's gonna feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that when we talk about a guy who, you know, is we to laid out in the early part of this show, there's a lot of guys who's like, okay, this guy faces defensive questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't really see that with peck like peck could be a plus defender with plus speed like who can play multiple positions around the infield like I do think him and trade crews who's another guy to talk about here trade crews has kind of been around this tiger's system for quite a while and

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[SPEAKER_00]: was kind of described as a little bit of a frustrating player for a number of years where it's like the tools were good, but it never seemed to add up to kind of what it you thought it might should add up to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year he was pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of is now

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[SPEAKER_00]: most anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when I say most anywhere, like he's played games at almost, you know, he's not a catcher, but he's played all three outfield spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's really is kind of a true shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like he could be that kind of multi-position player that you call up at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, can he play shortstop?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can give you solid shortstop defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can he play second?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can really play second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can he play third?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Need him in the outfield today, he can do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some value to that kind of versatility there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's kind of, again, you have him in pet coming up who kind of give you the athleticism and the glove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like we said earlier, you've got kind of the how you

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but you've also got Jack Penny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like what I say that this team has a ton of infielders Jack Penny pick out a Notre Dame a couple of years ago who

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say kind of fits more in that that group of the, okay, this guy's going to hit now we'll figure out and he should be able to play in the dirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure out where his best position is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so they got a nice mix of guys even outside of that top crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a nice mix of guys who either can give you a really good glove or give you potentially a solid bat and then maybe enough glove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a, again, that is a grouping that

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they haven't had, you know, five years ago, they did not have a ton of guys like this, who I think are kind of really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other part I will say though that always fascinates me with this is the tigers, the guardians do this very much too same word, same division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of left handed or switch hitting infielders

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[SPEAKER_00]: in this organization is kind of stunning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is something where it is clearly something that they kind of emphasize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that they have GLABER who is a right-handed hitter, but that was a sign, that's not someone they developed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at mechanical, if you look at Rainer, if you look at again, Rainer is kind of the exception to this, but like there are a lot of guys, I think that the tiger's very much value the platoon advantage of a lefty who gets to face righty is a lot more than a righty ever gets to face lefties that's valuable to them or which hitters as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that really does stand out here too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that I would say is still kind of like, okay,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other part to watch here is, there are a number of guys here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of hoping for bounce back seasons from like Thyron Lerons that we talked about, like, it was not very good last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like head injuries, but just really did struggle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've seen things in the past is he going to take a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you and I both were a little slow to move him down just because we just kept getting

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[SPEAKER_00]: The season before and even in the spring training positive feedback about Fire and Lorenzo, the hope is maybe that was just kind of a lost 25 season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: High Madden is a guy who I'm not ready to give up on even if you know, it has not come together yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's guys like that, there's guys like, you know, we mentioned that there's a number of injured arms here who kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't all come together yet, but I would and I would be missed not to mention I don't know where he's going to fit in the big leagues, but they did add Eduardo Valencia to their 40 man he's a catcher slash first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I say that whose way brosignio is a catcher slash first base, Valencia is probably more of a DH slash catcher slash first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he really has a defensive home, but he had a really good year at the plate offensively and triple I added to the 40 man could be in the mix a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are some guys who all kind of stand out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing that just kind of jumps out to me that before we kind of wrap this up that I didn't want to talk about a little bit is kind of looking at this is

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's interesting to see like how this is the team that obviously now kind of has a a little bit of a timetable right now here right because they have scouble for one more year and the expectation, not that it's a guarantee but the expectation is he'll be gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time because you have meganical and you have Clark and you have percenio and you have Bryce Rainer and you have you have the group of really premium prospects

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[SPEAKER_00]: feel like I wanted what you thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The flip side is is like, there is a scenario to me where this team is not like, okay, well, we got to do it this year, obviously having scoobles really helps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, this could be a team that I still feel is really positioned with a couple of the stoop moves and all to be kind of a contender year after year after year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder what you thought?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have an interesting process in terms of identification.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it across a few different acquisition windows, whether it's via trades, whether it's the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen more interesting international signings I think Chris Rodriguez is a sign of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've taken a little bit more upside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think where I'm interested to see is the development of some of these pictures after 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a decent amount of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll say that we talked about, we mentioned whether it's spoon, some of these younger high school guys like in Hall that they got a couple of years back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got Ryan Hall this year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 25, how do those guys take steps forward?

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[SPEAKER_01]: know how do they use some of this depth to potentially supplement the major league team was something that you said earlier and we didn't we didn't go into it a ton, but I do also think outside of Clark and McGonagall and depending on how aggressive they want to get, but we've seen a lot of good players with expiring contracts move for much, much less than the Bryce Rainer as a prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Frankly, Brasignio probably is a headliner in a lot of these sort of expiring contract deals with the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like a team that has the firepower to supplement this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that be the defensive upgrade you talked about, another no doubt reliever, they go out and they get, obviously you would take a bigger prospect to get a Mason Miller or someone like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that they're very much in an advantageous position to not only

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of walk off the bus day one and win that division going away, I think they also sort of had the ponies here in the stable to make some trades and bringing a couple of guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, really, really solidify that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the other thing is, too, you look at the American League this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Blue Jays have absolutely gotten better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went to the World Series last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we can't argue a ton there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Yankees are any better than they were a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the Red Sox are any better, the Oreos are better, but they were also 12 games below 500 a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are about even to where they were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Astros have taken that step forward to really be a real force.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the Rangers of the Athletics are there yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think you kind of look at the picture in the American League handing into the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the Tigers are in a really good position

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe have their best year in, you know, over decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible now again, I will say you never count in the division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never count Cleveland because Cleveland seems to be there every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kansas City, you know, wait, we, we saw two years ago, Kansas City was a playoff team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, when we talk about everything we just talked about with the defense for the Tigers in the infield in our concerns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the Bobby Whitt, Michael Garcia, like that is basically, that is a left side of the infield word, nothing gets through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like you have a star there in Whitt, you know, Michael Garcia is pretty close to a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the team that could also kind of, I would say challenge in this division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the white socks are getting better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where the twins are right now to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of, are they going to keep the guys they have now, or are they going to end up selling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I do think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The best way you can put it is is, okay, two years ago, they've had effectively the same season the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like that, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you were a tiger's fan, I am, I've kind of almost would promise that you do not feel like that last two seasons were the same, but basically you look at it and it's like, okay, the last two years, you know, you're talking about a team

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, basically they, they kind of want about the same number of games, they've won the Wild card series each the last two years, and then they haven't been able to get over that next step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next step has to be like, this is the logical season to be the next step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of crazy that we say like, okay, they'll short series and it has helped them the locker, but they haven't been able to take advantage of, you don't want to face Terkschool twice in a series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they've got to get a little bit more depth to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these things, but I do think, this is, yeah, I think that this is a team that is well positioned as we said, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question will be like, okay, what are the trades that you're willing to make and what are the possibilities out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause you just said, like, if he's healthy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you'd be willing to trade Bryce Rainer, like I do think that a Bryce Rainer, like everything that we just talked about as far as the questions about them kind of up the middle in the infield defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A year from now, or a year and a half from now, could all be answered, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, you could be saying, well, McDonald's your second basement and Bryce Rainer is your shortstop, and that looks really good defensively and really good offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be kind of crucial to them long-term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Bryce Rainer, if you were willing to trade him in a deal, you could, that would be the headliner at the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you said, Brasignu, if Brasignu comes out, like Brasignu was not as strong after he got up to AA, but if Brasignu goes back to AA this year, shows improvement defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one, okay, maybe I've stretched a bridge a little too far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I have both, like I've tried to make a point of watching a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a, you are asking a lot, if you expect him defensively to get to where he's like playable catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the tough thing we've recennial too, because I have seen him, his first complex league in 23.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he came over, right, I saw him in 24 spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him in 25 spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him during the season at multiple points during 25.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has improved from that to first time I saw him in 2023 JJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has improved credit to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a better defender than he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that said, there are high school guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are, I've seen division three college guys that catch better than per se, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like, I mean, he, he, this is false, that, but he's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even his footwork in 2023, I came back and was like, this guy's like plotting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't really move, he's not twitchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His footwork is a lot better, he's moving better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's with three years of concentrating on learning that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know even guys that start from a very high floor, guy like Shay Lang Lears, still had to make adjustments in improving certain areas as a blocker, as a receiver, as a framer, as a professional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a guy who, you know, won defensive awards in college and was, you know, well known for his glove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: walk or you're on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are things that the Astos talked about having to improve with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an outstanding defensive catcher in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the defensive demands of that position are as great as any sports at least for someone that contributes offensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what position you're playing and what sport you're playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are very few positions where every single defensive play begins with you either making a good or a bad play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you make the good place, nobody notices, you make the bad place, everybody notices because they're so catastrophic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing with him is that stood out is like when he comes to blocking with he's in his frame, he's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it goes beyond his frame, he just doesn't move quickly enough to block it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, like I don't want to make this sound like because I think that we both think, per se, it was a pop on your prospect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he has some limitations, the catcher is limitations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And offensively, I mean this in the best way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the long swing and not accepted and average at best bat speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I mean by that is, is that he gets to his power because he really knows what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, someone we've talked about it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't pitch to Kevin McGonagall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no scouting report you can have where you say, if you just go do this three times that gets Kevin McGonagall, three plate appearances, you'll get him out, he'll sit down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Kevin McGonagall,

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[SPEAKER_00]: can cover the whole zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can hit VLOE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could do a little bit of everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jose Pursano is a guy who I'd say, if you execute your plan, you can get him out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you make a mistake, he will punish you and he can really punish you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of those guys who have useful productive, big league careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like it's a different level of, if you said, he's the headliner in a deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You may be a little disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a tiger stance like that's all you got and it would be because someone's saying, okay, he's a DH who we hope can play first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not taking him because we think he can catch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're doing that, well then that becomes a much harder sell as kind of the cornerstone of the deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like again, Max Anderson had a great year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Max Anderson as a cornerstone of the deal is going to be like the team taking him is going to they're going to ask around the room and it's like can this guy play second base first right now it's like I don't know about that he's improved to where he's a blow average for second based on and then you just said well where else is you're going to play That again gets tough right like there's a there's this number of these guys like you can like how you leave they got him in a trade from the fillings a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it's like, okay, you're going to have to find the right match potentially on this or you're going to have to have one of these guys who's a little tools, you're kind of have that breakout first half like and then you're like, oh, okay, like again, like let's say a Jordan knows to was a first, you know, was a premium pick for them, okay, that's the guy who's a really athletic shortstop if you if he has a great start to his first full pro season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see him being someone you're like, okay, we can kind of this we can make this kind of the start of the foundations of a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like guys like that where the guys who have solid bats but defensive questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can trade those guys, but you often I feel like you end up a little bit disappointed in what the return is because the bar when you don't have a clear defensive home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the bar for playing time becomes very difficult very quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen that just year-in year-out where you have guys, you're like, wait, what happened to, again, to take a couple examples for me seniors?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all seem to end up as marlins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what happened to Davison De La Santos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, he had a incredible year two years ago in the minors and but he has defensive questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has strikeout concerns and the power dissipated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Few years ago, as well, you know, well, is, is there going to be a room for Matt Murves in the big leagues and then he and some, no, it's, the challenge is you have to, maybe Jonathan long, who I like, we both like is, and you know, like, if you are a first based only and there's defensive questions about you,

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably overemphasize that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's my point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it will be interesting to see where things go with this system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the coming months, I think it's a very exciting season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a tiger's fan, after a lot of really frustrating years, I think things have gotten better of the last couple could really crescendo in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we, I think we're talking about a legitimate

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[SPEAKER_01]: supplement their roster and a variety of ways, whether it's trades or internal upgrades that could be coming down the pike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really exciting tiger system, I'm excited I got an opportunity to talk about this with UJJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Any sort of closing thoughts before we wrap this up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think, again, I think that the tigers are at a very interesting point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big picture is, I just do feel like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even talk about the possibility, like there hasn't been a lot of talk of us, but like, okay, or the other option, if you really didn't feel like that this was the year, you could also look at trading turx Google, and by the way, that would be a, I would say this, having kind of done a little bit of kind of the intellectual exercise, I could see where there's the possibility,

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[SPEAKER_00]: where there could be a logical reason to do so, not because of the money, but because of the, I mean, I wanna write a piece about this at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the limited compensation you get when you have a player leaving free agency, I think that when you're talk about the, the non, like maybe there's a provision where if you're above the luxury tax, you don't get compensation or something like that, the thresholds or whatever, but I do think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that there was a way without punishing teams who signed for agents that there was a way to give back more in compensation so that we weren't talking about why there might be a logical reason to trade one of the best pitcher in the American League, like Terks Google, but if if the Tigers could get back a young premium starting pitcher basically

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe there would be a move that would make some sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that this is a team to wrap it up that has a real chance to do damage in 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say the Valdez signing under a daughter term higher AAV deal really kind of pushes towards that direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I do think that this is a team that it's not about this all 20, 26 or bust, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to change a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to have a sion winner necessarily at the front of your rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you will have potentially, when you look at a team,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could have a batting champ down the road and Kevin McGonical who could have, again, a guy like a Riley Green who's a very productive slugger, you know, in the middle of your line up, who could add in again, a max Clark a Bryce Rainer carry carpenter is a very good hitter like he does what he does very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got one of the better catching combos in the American League in Dylan Dingler should be there for years to come pick there's a lot of things here that aren't just good for this year they're good for the long term and by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Job, who will still be quite young when he returns, but he fully healthy Jackson Job in 2070.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you said, who is your pointing to could be the long-term replacement for school?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's your guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the guy who has a chance to be a front of the rotation starter to go with a valedess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, because you've signed valedess, you're not asking him in 2027 to be the ace at the start of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you are hoping that by the end of 2070, even a school's gone, that you then have still a two-headed monster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to basically roll into the playoffs around other pictures and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's again, it's a good system, it's a good situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a Tigers fan, it's kind of the best situation you've had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's since Miguel Cabrera, Max Sherser, you know, porcelo, David Price, like all those guys are on the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the last time this team looked

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[SPEAKER_01]: this dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That said, JJ, thank you for joining me today.

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