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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, you horny little rats. It's time to smut

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome to a very special episode of

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<v Speaker 1>smut Up and Listen. We are lucky enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>here today with New York Times, USA Today, Publishers Weekly,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amazon Charts best selling author JT. Guysinger. She released

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<v Speaker 1>her newest novel, Blackthorne, earlier this month, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>kind enough to send us an arc for us to

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<v Speaker 1>review and even nicer to hop on the podcast with us.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much, and we are so excited

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<v Speaker 1>that you're here with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh, thank you for having me. It's so nice

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<v Speaker 2>for you guys to want to chat about my work.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh my gosh, we're so excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I will jump in and we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the writing process and the journey. Okay, here

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<v Speaker 3>we go take a couple of one. So my question is,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to know what the inspiration was behind

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<v Speaker 3>the plot of the story. If it was just like

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<v Speaker 3>a random shower thought or a dream one night, or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you just wanted something out of the

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<v Speaker 3>two characters and you just let your creative writing do

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<v Speaker 3>the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny when people ask me what my inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>is for things. It's like I kind of never really know,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's always there's always something brewing up there in

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<v Speaker 2>my little, you know, witch's cauldron in my brain, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just start writing things down. I have a huge

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<v Speaker 2>folder of ideas and stuff, and I think I'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>die before I can write all the books that I

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<v Speaker 2>have in my brain. But Blackthorn, so I. So I

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<v Speaker 2>usually begin with just two characters and a conflict, and

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<v Speaker 2>Blackthorn was a book that my new publisher was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we want you to write a romance for us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna have you do whatever you want. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, well that's fun. And my roots were

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<v Speaker 2>in when I first published my first series, it was

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal and then I went to contemporary. But I always

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of slipped in some paranormal aspects with my writing,

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<v Speaker 2>and this one, it just kind of started out like

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<v Speaker 2>it was a small town romance and you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a quirky family and stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of these weird things started happening. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>have a cat hair. Okay, yeah, sorry, And so as

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<v Speaker 2>I started writing the book, it started getting weirder and

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<v Speaker 2>weirder and weirder, and so I just usually let my

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<v Speaker 2>imagination run and then it turned out to be this

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<v Speaker 2>really cuckoo book. I mean, I'm not the writer that is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I usually don't know what the end of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be as I'm writing, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, okay, let's go and let's see, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I let my imagination run wild. And then my

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<v Speaker 2>readers are like, what the hell was that? Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>On that way, you are the queen of a crazy ending.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like, what just happened at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>your books?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I try and make it interesting. So if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm writing and I get bored, then I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to scrap it, because I figure the readers are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get bored too, you know, because you can really

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<v Speaker 2>get bogged down and too much backstory or too much detail.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm one of these people who I love

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<v Speaker 2>to describe the interior of a room, and I've had

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<v Speaker 2>so many readers just be like, Okay, that's enough about

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<v Speaker 2>the wallpaper. Let's move on, you know. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>to try and trade myself to keep the action going.

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<v Speaker 2>But with this book, when I turned it into my publisher,

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, okay, I really My editor was like,

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<v Speaker 2>us to go darker and let's make it more funfable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, I can do that. So

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<v Speaker 2>then like the whole end of the book just became

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<v Speaker 2>this fever dream of like what is even really going

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, yay, thank you. So yeah, it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>was a fever dream at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So I knew I wanted it to be

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<v Speaker 2>ambiguous where people were like what was real and what wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I like doing that because then you have to go

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<v Speaker 2>back and read, okay from the beginning, because you will

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<v Speaker 2>forget all the little crumbs that I dropped and all

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<v Speaker 2>the little weird things that are happening, and maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>read something differently into it the second time around. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's fun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, especially with pen Pal, because I wound

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<v Speaker 1>up reading that twice for the podcast. There was so

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<v Speaker 1>much stuff that happened. I was like, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>how did I not catch this before? That's awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, pen Pal, I knew the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of had to know, so I uh that

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<v Speaker 2>the inspiration for that book came from I was writing

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<v Speaker 2>the third book in my Mafia series, the Queens and

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<v Speaker 2>Monster series, and the main the heroine had been kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>by a Russian assassin and he took her to this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, his little cabin in the woods and oh hi, Riley, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. So yeah, so she was she was a

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<v Speaker 2>book editor, but she started writing a book in during

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<v Speaker 2>her captivity and there was one line that she says

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<v Speaker 2>in Savage Hearts where she was like, oh, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>writing a book about a woman who doesn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>she's blank. And I won't give it away for anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who hasn't read the book. But so that was the

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration for pen Palain, a really good book. So I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that afterwards. That is so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like tied together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're tied together.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So have you been writing since you were a child,

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<v Speaker 1>and if so, what is the first story that you

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<v Speaker 2>So I was always a reader. I came from a

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<v Speaker 2>family of readers, and we were all super big book nerds.

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<v Speaker 2>But my I used to tell stories, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>a as a really young kid, and my mother called

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<v Speaker 2>them lies. But the first thing I ever wrote, the

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<v Speaker 2>first story I ever remember telling, was our neighbor. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I was five or six years old, and our neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>I told her that it was my birthday and that

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<v Speaker 2>certain like playset or whatever, and you know, I got

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble for that. But yeah, so I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>telling stories, but I didn't actually start writing until I

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<v Speaker 2>was forty. I mean, I was just living my life

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<v Speaker 2>and I was, you know, I had a business with

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<v Speaker 2>my husband and everything, and I always wanted to write

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<v Speaker 2>a book, which I think a lot of people, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we feel like there's a story and us

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<v Speaker 2>that we want to tell. And I thought, yeah, somebday

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get to it. But I turned forty, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like that was a very big milestone for me. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>And at that time, I was a big Twilight fan.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had read an interview with Stephanie Meyer.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, right, I loved we all are very big fans,

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<v Speaker 5>but Jenna's the biggest fan.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, I read an interview with Stephanie Meyer where

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<v Speaker 2>she said that she was a stay at home mom.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't go to school for writing. She wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>journalist or anything like that. She had a dream one

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<v Speaker 2>vampire that wanted to, you know, drink this girl's blood.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she wrote the book and it ended up

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<v Speaker 2>selling like, I don't know, one hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 2>copies or something. And so I thought that was very

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<v Speaker 2>inspirational that she could do that, just you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, okay, I'm gonna do that too. If

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<v Speaker 2>she can do it, I can do it. Right, She's

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<v Speaker 2>just an average person, why not. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>very inspirational. So I wrote my first book and I

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just like, okay, I have a new career.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my god.

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<v Speaker 5>My question is now that we kind of know you

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<v Speaker 5>just get these ideas in your head and kind of

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<v Speaker 5>jot them down when you actually sit down to write,

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<v Speaker 5>do you have a writing routine, and if so, is

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<v Speaker 5>it like your fun glass of wine into music or

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<v Speaker 5>do you just like complete focus just jotting everything down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm the complete focus girl. Like I could never

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<v Speaker 2>write in a coffee shop, you know, or anywhere I

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<v Speaker 2>have to. I get distracted very easily. And I okay, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I get irritated by noise. So like, even if I

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<v Speaker 2>can hear my husband somewhere in the house, I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>So I put my earbuds in and I usually have

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<v Speaker 2>the cat with me, and I close the door, and

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<v Speaker 2>usually it's best for I'm not a morning person at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I wake up early and I don't check

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<v Speaker 2>my email or Facebook or anything, and I just go

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<v Speaker 2>to the computer and I start to write, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like my brain is very clear. Then, so I try

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<v Speaker 2>and write early in the morning and get at least

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<v Speaker 2>a few hours in and then I'll go on and

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<v Speaker 2>do other things then and then later in the evening,

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<v Speaker 2>like this kind of time of day, I'll come back

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<v Speaker 2>to what I wrote. But I like to I like

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<v Speaker 2>to be alone and I like to have chunks of time.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's actually really hard because you know, I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to leave my phone out of the room and things,

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<v Speaker 2>because you if you start checking your notifications and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, you really can't get things done. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a very fast writer, so I have to I

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<v Speaker 2>have to force myself to focus and just be in

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<v Speaker 2>the zone and you know, like close the drapes and

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<v Speaker 2>just be in this little room by myself, and that

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<v Speaker 2>helps a lot. So cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Your question, right, Oh oh, keep just looking at her.

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<v Speaker 4>So, what is like your favorite book that you've written,

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<v Speaker 4>or the one that you enjoyed writing the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot. I don't know if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have read Perfect Strangers, but I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun writing that that was. It has a plot twist,

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of a smack your face plot twist

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<v Speaker 2>like pen Pal does, but That was also the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I had done something like that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it came out like in twenty nineteen. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the reviewers were just like, what is this book? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes people are not expecting to have these

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<v Speaker 2>random things happen in my books. Now I think they

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<v Speaker 2>and then at the end it's like, Okay, if it's

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have. I have like at sidebar question from that,

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<v Speaker 4>since you mentioned reviews, do you ever feel like when

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<v Speaker 4>you do read the reviews, it like changes how you

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<v Speaker 4>view your book or like, you know, you see people's

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, ever, I think it's changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone is talking about my work is good for me,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's bad. Because some of my most controversial books,

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<v Speaker 2>like Penpal, there was a lot of negativity on one

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<v Speaker 2>side with that, but you know, all it did was

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<v Speaker 2>help my sales. So I was like, okay, because people

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<v Speaker 2>and it's okay for people to have very passionate, even

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<v Speaker 2>least affecting them in some way. I never want someone

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<v Speaker 2>to put down one of my books and just be

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<v Speaker 2>like yahn, you know, at least at least if they

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<v Speaker 2>hate it, they had some kind of a reaction to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's actually it's because I'm pushing, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>these different buttons. But when I first started out writing,

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would take these reviews, bad reviews, to heart.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't do that because I'm really just writing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling a story, and I'm kind of almost just

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<v Speaker 2>telling myself a story. And I do want to connect

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<v Speaker 2>with the readers, and I want to write books that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be memorable, because there are so many

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<v Speaker 2>cookie cutter books that are fine and it's fine as

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment and that we can enjoy and you can put aside.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really want to have something that sticks in

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<v Speaker 2>your mind. So if a reader is, you know, unhappy

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<v Speaker 2>with it, that's actually okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And reading is so subjective. I don't think there's no

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<v Speaker 1>clear cut good or bad books, right. It's all dependent

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<v Speaker 1>on who's reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so I just figure, like, Okay, if I

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<v Speaker 2>get a one star review on whatever, it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not my person, that's not my reader. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually good because if they're articulating what it is that

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't like, and someone else reads that and they

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<v Speaker 2>figure Okay, well I actually don't like that too, and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't read the book, well, then they've done another

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<v Speaker 2>person of service, and then I'm not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>another one star review just because of that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>all good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's a privilege to get good reviews and bad

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<v Speaker 2>reviews and all of it is just part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try and keep an arm's length distance from

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<v Speaker 2>that and not let it affect me because I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I'm trying to say, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, any kind of artists, you can't please everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have even amazing rock bands or even amazing

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<v Speaker 2>movies or whatever, they have their fans and they have

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<v Speaker 2>their detractors. So it's all good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was going to be sorry, Charlotte. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you how you felt about one star reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I saw your TikTok and you recently posted

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<v Speaker 1>a TikTok of one star reviews, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't care about one star reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think, well, look, we all are human

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, feelings. But I also, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I am able to distance it from myself a little,

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<v Speaker 2>like these people don't know me. As a person, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not. It's not They're just critiquing the work and

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<v Speaker 2>what they don't like about it, which is totally legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like that's that's what book reviews are

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<v Speaker 2>for and movies so people can talk about it, right

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<v Speaker 2>and they can decide what they want. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>these one star reviews are so damn funny and they're

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<v Speaker 2>so they're so mad, and I just start giggling when

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<v Speaker 2>I read them because it's like, oh my god, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is your taking this way too seriously, therap.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's been there's been some one star reviews that

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<v Speaker 1>I've read where I'm like, this makes me want to

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<v Speaker 1>read the book. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody can tell me they hate a book and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>give it to me, Yeah, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To read it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the reasons why. And you're like, yes, yes, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all fair.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously, in an ideal world, Blackthorn gets a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your ideal fan cast for Maven Ronan and

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<v Speaker 1>more specifically Q, because I want you to know more

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I don't I don't ever do fan

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<v Speaker 2>casting in my head of like, who these people are.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have mood boards of, you know, certain actors

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever they are, because I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>base it on anyone. So to me, it's just when

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<v Speaker 2>these characters, and I start like the first twenty percent

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<v Speaker 2>mind of who these characters are. And people always want

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<v Speaker 2>to know, well, who would play this or who would play that?

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want it to be somebody super famous that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring some kind of preconceived, you know whatever notion, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>in the character as you're watching it. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't he amazing?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't even know who this actor was,

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<v Speaker 2>And he you would make it even better than I

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<v Speaker 2>can never even dream about it. I'd be like, you

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<v Speaker 2>It is open to interpretation unless I do a sequel,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it will, you know, everything will have to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think if I did do a sequel, I

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I love that, and then sometimes I'm like, just

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<v Speaker 4>tell me, tell me, just tell.

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<v Speaker 2>This one. This one I was deliberately, especially with the

424
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<v Speaker 2>epilogue that you see from the detectives that kind of

425
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<v Speaker 2>made it even like, okay, wait, now there's a fox

426
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<v Speaker 2>over there that's looking at weird, you know. So then

427
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<v Speaker 2>I like to have usually either the house is a

428
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<v Speaker 2>character in and of itself, or the season is a

429
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<v Speaker 2>character too, Like you know, it's Halloween and it's all

430
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<v Speaker 2>spooky and everything. I like to get all that stuff going,

431
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<v Speaker 2>so I'm really sure what's happening.

432
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<v Speaker 1>We did discuss that in the episode yesterday too, where

433
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<v Speaker 1>I was like, there was so much stuff happening before

434
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<v Speaker 1>outside of the house. There's no way that the ending

435
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<v Speaker 1>isn't supernatural but open to interpretation.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean I have I have my you know,

437
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know it's real and yeah, but right, yeah,

438
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<v Speaker 2>but maybe you will with the sequel. We'll see if

439
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<v Speaker 2>there's a sequel. I don't know, somebody.

440
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<v Speaker 3>I know.

441
00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, if that's done and I'm going on to

442
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<v Speaker 2>something else, and I'm bored with it, So I don't know.

443
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<v Speaker 3>I feel like you tied it in like a nice

444
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<v Speaker 3>pretty bow, but you also left it like open, so

445
00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:58.240
<v Speaker 3>we can that door can be like wedged right open

446
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<v Speaker 3>and you can continue on. Yeah, it can be a standalone,

447
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<v Speaker 3>but it can also definitely be part of a series.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Do you think penn Pal could be a sequel?

449
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she said, immediately write it right now.

450
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<v Speaker 2>In fact the art please. Yeah, I'm just asking. I

451
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<v Speaker 2>think you write it.

452
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<v Speaker 1>We'll read it, Yeah, we will.

453
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<v Speaker 5>My question was kind of along the same lines as Riley's,

454
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<v Speaker 5>but you may answer. Can you give us one example

455
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<v Speaker 5>where it was reality and where it was skewed perception

456
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<v Speaker 5>for Mateman, Like, was one particular thing actually the carbon

457
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<v Speaker 5>monoxide or was it.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Or was it not carbon monoxide? And it was the house, right,

459
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<v Speaker 2>So the house itself is a third Well, I don't

460
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<v Speaker 2>know how many characters we have, but but the theories are, Okay,

461
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<v Speaker 2>it was carbon monoxide poisoning, or they're witches, and or

462
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<v Speaker 2>the house itself is an evil entity, right, so those

463
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<v Speaker 2>are all kind of like, who's really the main player here?

464
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys ever read the Haunting

465
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<v Speaker 2>of Hill House. It's a really good older story and

466
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<v Speaker 2>it hits I mean, it's spooky, and so it's it's

467
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<v Speaker 2>kind of like that where the house has its own

468
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<v Speaker 2>wants and desires, and so because this house is like

469
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<v Speaker 2>generally generationally I can't even say that word right now,

470
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<v Speaker 2>is the one It's been around for a long time, right,

471
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<v Speaker 2>and it's had it's housed all these generations of women

472
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<v Speaker 2>who've been persecuted. So like, is the house itself just

473
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<v Speaker 2>absorbing the energy? And I don't know, Yeah, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you.

475
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<v Speaker 5>I got an extra theory, and I really like the

476
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<v Speaker 5>extra theory, so kind of gone with that now.

477
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, now we're just in our little random set of

478
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<v Speaker 3>question section. If you have built multiple settings and whole

479
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<v Speaker 3>worlds under your pen name, knowing how far your reach

480
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<v Speaker 3>has grown and how much your readers connect with it.

481
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<v Speaker 3>If given the chance, would you choose to still go

482
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<v Speaker 3>by J. T. Geisinger or would you change it?

483
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<v Speaker 2>You mean, change it to a different name, your.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Real name, whatever, like whichever. Now that you know, like

485
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<v Speaker 3>you know how far your reach has gone. If you

486
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<v Speaker 3>knew from the very beginning that you would be a

487
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<v Speaker 3>New York Times bestselling publisher, do you think you would

488
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<v Speaker 3>still use a pen name or your real name.

489
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<v Speaker 2>I would definitely use a pen name, and I would

490
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<v Speaker 2>make it simpler. So Guy Singer is actually my real

491
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>last name, so it's like that's not even really a

492
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 2>pen name, and it's like I'm married into that name,

493
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<v Speaker 2>so nobody knows how to pronounce it.

494
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<v Speaker 4>You know.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I would have made it something easy, like stone or

496
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<v Speaker 2>just something super simple, because it's way and it looks

497
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.039
<v Speaker 2>easier on it, it looks better on a book cover.

498
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so if I had to give advice to

499
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<v Speaker 2>a wrioter starting out, definitely take a pen name, especially

500
00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 2>because people are cuckoo and I get the weirdest stalkers.

501
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you would not imagine the stuff that people

502
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<v Speaker 2>will send me and they'll try and find me and

503
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.799
<v Speaker 2>all this other just because I wrote some character that

504
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>they're obsessed with, and to me, it's like, you know, you, guys,

505
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you realize this is fake and made up, right, It's yeah,

506
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>it's made up. It doesn't exist, but people get so

507
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 2>crazy about it. So yeah, I would definitely I would

508
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<v Speaker 2>be like, I don't even know, maybe I would if

509
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<v Speaker 2>I really had it to do all over again. I

510
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<v Speaker 2>think I would never show my face and I would

511
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<v Speaker 2>be a name that you didn't know if there was

512
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<v Speaker 2>a gender or a race or what the identity was.

513
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>It would be completely neutral. And I would probably, like

514
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<v Speaker 2>if I was going to do an interview like this,

515
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I would probably like just have some kind of a

516
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<v Speaker 2>sticker over my face and like the voice like in

517
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<v Speaker 2>the Witness Protection. Yeah, I think it's very important to

518
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it's nice to connect with your readers, but you can

519
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<v Speaker 2>do that in a way that's not, you know, physically present.

520
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, so i'd go with

521
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<v Speaker 2>a different name. Very cool, that's really awesome, totally fair.

522
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<v Speaker 1>So, if time and money were not an issue, what

523
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 1>would be your ideal setting to just sit down and

524
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<v Speaker 1>write for like an entire week.

525
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's funny that you say that, because sometimes when

526
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm on a deadline and I really need to focus,

527
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I will go away. So when I lived in southern California,

528
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I would drive up to Santa Barbara and I would

529
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<v Speaker 2>stay for a couple of weeks at this little place

530
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 2>called the Spanish Garden Inn. And it was quaint and

531
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 2>it was small, and I would lock myself in there

532
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and I would finish the book because and I would

533
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>just get room service. And when I would check out,

534
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 2>they would be like, We've never had anybody spend so

535
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<v Speaker 2>much money from my gosh, I'm thank you or you know.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Now that I live up in the Tahoe area, sometimes

537
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<v Speaker 2>I'll go to Lake Tahoe and I'll just stay there

538
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<v Speaker 2>for a week. So for me, it's where would I

539
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>go now? I mean, I don't know. I would just

540
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 2>go somewhere. I love room service, So anywhere that has

541
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 2>a you know.

542
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 5>Hotel, five star room service.

543
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>With a view. I like to look out and see something,

544
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, so it doesn't matter where it is

545
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>in the world. But alone with room service, Yeah, that

546
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>would be my thing.

547
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 3>To go to the pepper Mill. They have a little pool.

548
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:31.160
<v Speaker 3>It'll be a great pepper miller, immaculate.

549
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it.

550
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Going off of food.

551
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 5>If you can only eat one food item for a

552
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 5>whole year, what would you pick?

553
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why, it's got nutrients, it's got like you know,

554
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, one food item for a whole year,

555
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 2>like breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Yeah yeah, pizza, probably locos.

556
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I do love a good taco, yeah, yeah, nothing healthy

557
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>like yogurt no.

558
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, imagine yogurt for a whole year.

559
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:06.599
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't.

560
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 2>You just because.

561
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, see what is your favorite movie and your like.

562
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Favorite genre of movies or yeah, of movies.

563
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I have a couple. I love The Princess

564
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Bride because it's just such a cute, you know, it's

565
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 2>very sweet. And I love The Notebook because it made

566
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 2>me cry and it's and it's a it's a real

567
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>good love story. Yeah, and Ryan Gosling is just you know, yes,

568
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I just like him. There's something about him. My husband's

569
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 2>like really and my favorite genre for movies, I mean,

570
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 2>I love I love romance. I love to watch romances.

571
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.599
<v Speaker 2>So my husband likes actual movies. So there's always things

572
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 2>blowing up and people getting killed, and I'm like, where's

573
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>the love story? You know, if there's not some love story.

574
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

575
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll just get up and leave because it's just like,

576
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.119
<v Speaker 2>why do you like death so much?

577
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You know? My husband with a Jason State, I'll.

578
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Read him every once in a while a little snippet

579
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>of my book. I read him this one portion of

580
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Blackthorn where it's like when can I even say it?

581
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the Greenhouse. Oh yeah, and you know

582
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>there's like some comparison to a French bottle of wine.

583
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 2>And I read read to my husband and he's like,

584
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>what is wrong with you? They don't get it? To me?

585
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really good and he's like, oh

586
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>my god, it's discussed. Oh my god.

587
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I liked it.

588
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 3>It made me lol, Like I was laughing out loud

589
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 3>when I read that part.

590
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I loved it. I brushed his teeth.

591
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>He was just like, during our episodes, we'll make Riley

592
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>read excerpts of like the wildest sex scenes in the books.

593
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 5>And we've made her read that one.

594
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she's like, one of my questions is going

595
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<v Speaker 1>to be what made you choose to use the term

596
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 1>wet hole?

597
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

598
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 4>I was.

599
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I forgot I was going to ask that because that is.

600
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, I always like I always want to ask

601
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:24.160
<v Speaker 4>like what makes like what makes you choose like tight

602
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 4>ring of muscle, wet hole stuff like that.

603
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

604
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 2>After writing so many sex scenes. So I've written thirty

605
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>five novels and they're all they all have romance and

606
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>love scenes and whatever. Before both of my parents passed away,

607
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit more poetic about it. It

608
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>was a little bit more not his throbbing member, but

609
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more you know, oh yeah. And then

610
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if it's bad to say,

611
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like once they both passed away, I

612
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>felt this like, oh, I'm just they're not going to

613
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.160
<v Speaker 2>read it, so I'm just lose. And there's only so

614
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>many ways that you can say these things, and so

615
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.559
<v Speaker 2>depending upon the character and how how they would perceive

616
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>it or say it, you know. So like my Mafia

617
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>guys and in the Queen's Monster series, they're just saying

618
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>all the words and it's really super raunchy. And after

619
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a while, I just like, if I'm if I'm in

620
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a mood, if I'm writing a sex scene and I'm

621
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>in a mood, I'll just be like oh yeah, and

622
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>again and again, I tell myself if it's too gross,

623
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.599
<v Speaker 2>at the end. You can always edit it out, but

624
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I ye just leave it in because I'm just like whatever,

625
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna like it or they're not going to like

626
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>love it.

627
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean it. He did suck his own come

628
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>out of her bow hole, so yeah, that real wild

629
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>with it.

630
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 2>The part of my husband was just like sex scene.

631
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'm going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you don't want me to do that, do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he doesn't even want to know what goes

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<v Speaker 2>on in my books. He would He's like, you're disturbed.

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<v Speaker 2>I read not too so you know, I I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I get all these ideas like, oh, pretty good, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be in the right moment and the

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<v Speaker 2>character has to feel correct, you know, for you to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. And some people love it and other people

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know, what's funny, most people don't get

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<v Speaker 2>offended in my books at the sex scenes. They'll get

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<v Speaker 2>offended if I'll say something because there's a church scene

643
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<v Speaker 2>in Blackthorn too, where she goes into the church, you know,

644
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<v Speaker 2>and there's like Jesus's head falls off the crucifix and

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<v Speaker 2>and there's there's discussions about Mary's. People get more offended

646
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<v Speaker 2>about that than they really rawchy sex. So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has their trigger, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so ambient and spooky. I thought you did it.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, Yeah you did because I was scared. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be a good like a Gearmo del Toro scene.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes see, he would probably have like the Virgin Mary,

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<v Speaker 5>like have like blood coming down her eyes or something

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<v Speaker 5>too like h.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So our final question would be what is currently on

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<v Speaker 1>your TVR and also what books would you consider your

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<v Speaker 1>own personal five star reads?

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<v Speaker 2>On my TBR, Naima Simone wrote a book or published

660
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<v Speaker 2>a book recently called Huntsman and I think it's a

661
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<v Speaker 2>retelling of uh is it Robin Hood. It's a retelling

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<v Speaker 2>in one of them, but it sounds like a sexy yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's really cute and sweet and I love her.

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<v Speaker 2>And on my TVR. I'm so bad with books because

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm writing something, I try not to, especially try

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<v Speaker 2>not to read romance because I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>in my brain and come out. But yeah, what was

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<v Speaker 2>the other part of the question my.

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<v Speaker 1>Tv your own personal five stars romance wise or just anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I generally like books where everyone is dead at

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<v Speaker 2>the end. So I like books that have a really

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<v Speaker 2>emotional experience for me, that's what makes you remember these books.

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<v Speaker 2>So The Road by Cormick McCarthy, it's a dystopian novel

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<v Speaker 2>the World, and it's a man who's walking through a

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<v Speaker 2>burned out in America with his young son. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that book, I mean, that's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the books that wanted me made me want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a writer because the language and the way that he

679
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<v Speaker 2>and then the end you're so devastated. So that book too.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the books I read with in the last

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<v Speaker 2>year that was it's a monster smut romance that I

682
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<v Speaker 2>thought was so good. It's called The Lady of Rooks

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<v Speaker 2>Grave Manner.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, this is so creative and it's very sexy

686
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<v Speaker 2>and it's all over the place and there's all these

687
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<v Speaker 2>men and I'm like, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that one was like banging the whole time, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was different, it was unusual, and it was

690
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit like it felt historical sort of, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I really like that that book. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's I'll have to send you my list of like

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff because I won't remember, right, now I shall.

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<v Speaker 4>Look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of good books to be read. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Get so it's not depressing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah. If you guys listen to books or do

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<v Speaker 2>you read them physically? I mostly reading both, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>mostly reading.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I listened to books, like while I'm working all

702
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<v Speaker 3>day long, I'll like listen to audiobooks and then when

703
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<v Speaker 3>I get home, I physically read, like I'm always reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel audio books you can do it anytime.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I can't really listen to them because most of

706
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<v Speaker 4>the time the narrators do not sound how I want

707
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<v Speaker 4>them to sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a real struggle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, so I just read it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fair. Was the last books that I produced too

711
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<v Speaker 2>that were like, I'm just like, it doesn't sound right,

712
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 2>and so just ye, story is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, what was the last book you read? Rightly?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do her dirty like that, because I know what

715
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<v Speaker 1>it is and she gave it five stars.

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<v Speaker 4>I did give it five stars. It was called Suck

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<v Speaker 4>Mommy's Piss Flaps.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fair to the tbr Oh yeah, one.

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<v Speaker 2>For you guys. Okay, as we're all ladies here, have

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<v Speaker 2>you read All Fours by Miranda July. No, No, it's

721
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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. It's a little bit older than your guys's age,

722
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<v Speaker 2>but it's a woman who's having like an early midlife

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<v Speaker 2>crisis and she's a writer and she accepts an offer

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<v Speaker 2>to go to New York and like, I don't know

725
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>if she's doing some publication tour whatever. She lives in California,

726
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<v Speaker 2>so she's like, I'm gonna drive. I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna drive. She has a husband and a young

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<v Speaker 2>son at home. So she makes it like an hour

729
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<v Speaker 2>outside of LA and she stops at a gas station

730
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<v Speaker 2>and the guy who's like cleaning her windshields, she's like,

731
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<v Speaker 2>she gets a hotel, and the rest of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is her having this crazy midlife crisis with this gas

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<v Speaker 2>station attendant. It's so good. It's like this it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's like feminist, you know, literature

735
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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is, but she's having an absolute meltdown

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<v Speaker 2>and a sexual awakening at the whole time. I could

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<v Speaker 2>not look away. It was a train wreck of a book.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so good and so well written from a

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<v Speaker 2>woman's perspective of like what you go through with your

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<v Speaker 2>sexuality and with being a mom and just wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>get away from your whole life. And then she just

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<v Speaker 2>does for a week, and she lies to her husband

743
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<v Speaker 2>the whole time. She's like, oh yeah, now I'm in Colorado,

744
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<v Speaker 2>but she's in this hotel room.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, that sounds so good.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds immediately out of it, or you'll just be

747
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<v Speaker 2>like this woman is terrible, which she is really really good.

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<v Speaker 4>So I.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so so much with us, Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who's listening. If you need like a romantic, spooky

751
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<v Speaker 1>ambient read Blackthorn by JT. Guysinger check it out. It

752
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>is so good, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, little twisty thank you, thank you. Okay, we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>a good rest of your night.

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<v Speaker 4>You too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure meeting you. Yes, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>JT. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye, Okay, next time, see you bye bye. All right. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>Tell your friends but not your mom, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 4>you later. You have morny little rats.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye.