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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another baseball America prospect podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of our last top 30 breakdowns we're doing the Los Angeles Angels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have our Angels correspondent Taylor Blake Ward with me today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jeff Ponce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How's it going Taylor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's good, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious as to why this is coastal last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an idea, but it's not an idea why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we tend to do most of the corresponded podcasts later because we can't just like jump on and record three podcasts and, you know, that was not my idea that was not my idea why exactly no we didn't we didn't hold it for that because I think on the I think like one of our One of our first when we did the Rockies already, you know, like and we ranked the Rockies, you know, lower than you guys, where they where they are

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's a few, there's a few below the angels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This ain't just, it's not, I want to say personally kind of the opening of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally don't feel as as bad as it's been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually some interesting pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's far from like I was tuning into late season, you know, low A games to, you know, check out some of the young arms that you guys had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't say I've done that in a long time for me, you know, frankly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mean, you don't watch the angels in September?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's pretty close to what should be low-way arms every now and then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every now and then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All those guys are already up in the big leagues earlier in the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they'd already graduated from cross breaks down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I wasn't, unless they were playing somebody good, now I'm, I'm typically trying to stay tuned into the minor league stuff at that point the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we get some playoff stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't say I watch about an angel's baseball on September, but that said, let's talk a little bit about what's coming down the pipeline here and being the angels, this could be somebody that's in the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year, we're talking about number one prospect, Tyler Bremner, we asked this on all the shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how difficult was the decision to go with Bremner at one, talk a little bit about why you picked Bremner, but were there any other options?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Christian Moore hit like 50 days service time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was maybe an option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian Moore is maybe an option, but he's graduated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kaden Dana was a Kaden Dana hit 46 days as opposed to 45.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe an option, but I think between variance and variance projected outcome and upside, I think Tyler was an easy one in this organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think obviously George Klassen is number three in the organization on rankings, but he would have probably been the only one that's prospect eligible that I would have contemplated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you can see, I even had another guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, going into Bremner a little bit, what is it, you know, you're hearing in your conversations internally, obviously he hasn't stepped on a professional mound truly yet at this point, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we're going off a college numbers, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, talk to me a little bit about Bremner and, you know, what the angels like and what angel fans have to look forward to with this player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the first thing you're going to find is makeup, which I think is a cliche and I think it's a caveat, but it's a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he pitched through the second half of last season at Santa Barbara with his mother dying from cancer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, he pitched even better while she was going through that and seeing the way he reacted to challenges in his personal life and how he took it to the baseball field was a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a plus plus change of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could even argue, it's even better in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a plus fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got to do a few things with shape to make it a non-just velocity driven plus pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But right now, the big thing for him is finding that breaking ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have him toying with a cutter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have him toying with a slider, a little bit of a different grip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look back, it when he was before his junior year, kind of a sophomore year, Team USA, time,

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good slider average maybe above average and I think you still project that he's going to have in above average a slider because of the way it used to be you're kind of going back on old projections as opposed to current projections which is what I think would be

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[SPEAKER_00]: a deterrent from keeping him in the big leagues in my opinion right now, at least not having that that true third pitch right now, even though you have a plus plus and a plus, but I think you know finding that third pitch, the command is fine, it's you're looking for little tweaks, not major tweaks, it's not big misses, it's not big misses in or out of the zone at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got strike throwing, you've got two plus pitches, you've got a real outweapon,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in any count, you can throw the change up in any count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just finding that third pitch and whether it ends up being a cutter sweeper or a cutter slider that the improves his old slider, uh, maybe the cutter who knows, maybe the cutter becomes, you know, cut everyone's using the cutter right now, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think is going to be the big thing is finding a third, maybe even a fourth pitch form is going to make him, uh, you know, I have no doubt that he's going to be in the back and rotation, whether he ends up in the middle of a rotation or even there the front, uh, that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think you're right, um, he lost a little sweep on that slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gained a couple miles per hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He started it became more of a cutter as opposed to like a short slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost wonder if.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there is a capability, because he throws it hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The spin numbers are fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not like a crazy pronator where it's really, really low spin or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 2425, 100 kind of range on the break and ball, but he throws it like 86 to like 89.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's velocity there with a breaking ball, which is good to see, it's just a matter of like maybe having a couple of different shapes going maybe more toward an actual true cutter grip, the more of like a gyroslider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There might be like two or three pitches, I think that you could potentially

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go your way into here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could probably get some more extension down the mound to I've heard some people talk about some of his like shrunk positioning with some pitching coaches and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some short stride action that you want to get a little more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't hurt as fastball playing because you see if he spins the baseball so efficiently that like it's a really flat vertical approach angle with pride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and like he lowers his release height enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's good enough, Gary too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he has this uh, you want to see some improvements to the fastball shape, but it's not a bad fastball it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the right up I put is like you don't want a velocity driven plus fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to have the metrics to go with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's up to like 17 18 IVB, um, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like you have these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not going to compare him to his teammate this year Jackson floor is right out there throwing a hundred with twenty three inches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I VV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he was 19 last year at UCSB.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the numbers in front of me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 19.2, 13.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're going to lose a little ride with the major league ball, or even the minor league ball, versus the college ball, and some of the Mount Heights, that sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a 4.2 degree VA. And that's kind of the thing that always brings me back with Bromoriz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a flatter vertical pro-jango.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to play high in the zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to play out of the hands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just harder to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to catch those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think it's why I had the Miss Lady had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fastball, excuse me, the change-up's going to work, as you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You almost throws like a screwball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a higher spin change-up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has similar spin to a braking ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With a ton of arm side rounds, a little bit of a frisbee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a full-on airbender like Williams, but like that Williams, but it is in that like Genesis that genre of of change up, you know, and one thing I should think with that third pitch I think that's going to give him is is you know I saw him twice in person last year and both times these amateur hitters and these weren't I mean I saw him against UC Riverside and I think UCSD I think were the two teams I saw him and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all respect to D1 athletes, but these were not professional hitters, and they were just tean off on the fastball, because they were hunting first-page fastballs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So finding that something that falls on that fastball plane that breaks off to his glove side, I think is gonna be drastically important, because like we said, the change up is an outweapon in every count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is, you know, you mentioned it's got, not the fork ball, but that bugs bunny, ask, you know, fade, that just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just disappears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a splitter, like a showhail tonic splitter and a to a degree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Change it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very unique pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the next question here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How is this system better or worse in your opinion?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since 2025, where we did this podcast last

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's more upside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like what Tim McElvin in the draft team did this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like their first day per se.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did like Johnny Swinsky a lot, but what they did going and getting CJ Gray and Taylor and Hayley and Luke McCourse, Xavier Mitchell, I love the upside on the mound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they did a really good job and we're looking back at two years ago with Trigger Reallford, Dylan Jordan, both top 10 prospects in the system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that on the mound, they look very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you've got to continue developing these arms, we've, you know, they had that crazy 20 of 20 draft, you know, it's taken all the arms and none of them have really done anything at this point, but I really like where the upside is on the mound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's much more improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't think they have

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[SPEAKER_00]: very good position player prospects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I wouldn't say it's worse because Christian Moore was a prospect for half a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's about all they, you know, when they rush Zack Neto and they rush knowledge on one, they rush Christian Moore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to find a hitting prospect or a, and like I said, their first pick last year, their first hit or was a fifth

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness, I'm drawing a blank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's not even, he's not a top 30 guy for me either, but it's like when you need hitters in the organization that like to take hitters, I think Brian Parker on the International site has done a great job with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing Jonspo Lugo, you're seeing Gabriel Davileo, you're seeing Hayden Alvarez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have one department that's doing great with hitters, you have one department that's doing great with pitchers, now you kind of need to collaborate and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Monroe, Jake Monroe, see him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the first name right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake, we're filming a decade ahead of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think, you know, you hit on a good point there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the pitching has gotten better in the system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly, Brenner helps with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Johnson was rushed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't dislike Johnson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like kind of got a raw deal went back to high A had a great season with Tri-City.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see where it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's interesting, it's funky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never should've been the big leagues as quickly as he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, he still is a prospect, and I think isn't, you know, alter one more day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One more day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree with you, I agree with you with Ryan, I mean he's he's George Clinton, you know, he's got all the funk in the world and it's exciting, but I think if you look back at last branch raining Ryan really was one of their best relief options and That that last year was a maker break year the way that this year is for that for the tenure and the angels for an office and now that after some comments from ownership, I don't know if it is a maker break year anymore, I really couldn't tell you because

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[SPEAKER_00]: of a recent commerce market brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but, you know, looking at 2026, it felt like this coming into this from two years back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This year in particular, it looked like this was a year that was going to be maybe the most important year for the angels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Ryan Johnson, making the big lead team last year, was just a lack of a lack of relief options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're looking around and you guys, you have guys, we won't mention them later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you have guys that are in the upper miners

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I think would leapfrog Ryan in the depth chart no matter what Ryan does in spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have time to do things with the guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a big thing about what Tim Maccomand was saying post draft is, this is the first time I felt the luxury of having time to develop some of the arms we take, CJ Gray's and tail on Haley's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was a very damning comment in a way, and I love Tim, but it was like that speaks volumes to you guys taking these guys that you have the bum rush to the majors for the sake of death because you don't have it and now you have that pitching depth so you can take on the risk of these high school upside arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, I love those arms, I think CJ Gray is like one of my, he's one of the most exciting prospects the angels have had in a very long time in my opinion, but when it comes to Ryan Johnson, you now have the luxury to take your time with him in my opinion, because 2026 even though that was your window, no longer feels like a window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's some, you know, there are some interesting arms here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think class and certainly, you know, it was a guy that, you know, was on a lot of teams radar kind of around where you was taken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Tray Gregory Alford was one of the better athletes among pitchers in that 2024 draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think showed it a little bit last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a more interesting top 10 and, you know, there are, there is a decent amount of pitching here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to be able to see, be able to watch Dylan at the end of the year at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben Baddler sent me the email and was saying, hey, you got to have this guy hire and I said, I know I do, but I can't because of my projections and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I deal in Jordan is my favorite arm in the system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that goes above, Bramner, that goes above.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That goes above class and it goes above Johnson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a low slot, it's a flat plane and I think there's so much projection on the off speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fastball right now is it's a 60 because of his ability to locate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 60 command of the fastball, it's 60.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put it as, you know, the sink, the arm movement, arm side movement of this pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think Dylan Jordan,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see what they do over the next few years because I'd love to see him pan out, but he is undeniably my favorite arm in the system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love tray too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew the untray and I know a lot of people would say, Johnny, so Winsky in there, but Dylan Jordan is one that I would sit there and just say, man, that is the guy I pick the click and that might be the best arm that comes out of this whole group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'll be interesting to follow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's necessarily wrong, right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan was very interesting and someone was a little born off of my radar coming into last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, definitely excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you, when we talked a year ago, I would have said the exact opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not like Dylan Jordan a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not want to have him as a top 20 prospect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing him this year, it was like, man, I'm glad I was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the next one here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your guest to be number one in the system next year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might have mentioned it, it might be trigregary offered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to take a guess today, I would say AJ Grascia, Sawyer Stroke Snyder, King Srel, Will Gasparino, I would say whoever that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think looking at it right now, I don't see a reason why trigregary offered couldn't be, if he has the improvements to his strike throwing and he has the improvements to that change up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That split change, because right now, his change up sits about 93, 94, it's not really a change up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you see the change of progress, you see the straight throwing progress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, undeniably, I would say he probably has the most upside on the mound of any of anyone here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, George, obviously is among that group as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I see no reason why Trigger, Alford, or Johnny Silvinsky, couldn't be the number one prospect this time next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's going to come from the arms, frankly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Joshua Lugo obviously has a man who looks on it, but he's got to stay on the field and he's got to hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to stop chasing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to stop his aggression, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got to stay on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabriel Davileo could hit forever in a day, but the body right now is just not in a place that you're going to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the number one prospect in any work is he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to get the body right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to get everything going right on that and he doesn't really have a position at this time either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you look across the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be the arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that kind of leads into the next question, which is, what is this organization good at developing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the arms?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've been a decent job, they really have to fix durability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of guys have dealt with arm fatigue, at least that's what they're calling it as arm fatigue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if shut down a handful of arms and whether it's a high-end prospect, like a Ryan Johnson or a lower-end prospect, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hoel Hurtado, Brett Kerry has been shut down multiple times and I know Brett Kerry's never sniffed the top 30, but I think he's a guy who's gonna see the majors at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: awesome Gordon got shut down for I think durability they have to fix but I think they've toyed with so many different kind of releases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think finding a good grip is what they're really good at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've worked with guys that had a flat fastball and turned them into sink or cutter guys that finding fastball playing, finding a different grip a different angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they found

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe improving the change up, I'd like to see a little more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finding a third pitch, a true third pitch would be a lot more of an improvement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see them make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, on the pitching side, I like what they're doing, but you're seeing it, durability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of these guys are coming up and being able to have the command and being able to stay on the mound for more than 50, 60 pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I know the developing of starting pitcher is a challenging thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'd like to see a little bit more durability out of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the offensive side, they do have players that play offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've been pretty rough on developing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of low-minors guys have done fine, done fine offensively, and I think the utilization of high tri-city, because they were not using tri-city under any circumstances for while for hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're using that now and explain to these kids that hey, you're going to go out there and maybe hit 200, but you're still doing everything right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's, uh, I think they do a great job with makeup building, teammate building, trying to find a winning mentality, even though this, this organization really struggled with winning last year in the miners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, I think there's positives, but there's definitely things that have to improve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say change up durability and finding any way to develop an offensive player, a hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're fine in the field, but getting a hitter is going to be a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, outside of Zack Nito, there really hasn't been, you know, anybody that's come up internally since it feels like like trapped this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Sean was, you know, Sean was, he didn't have it all up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He never developed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got developed by Ron Washington, you know, but I knew the same guy that he was coming out of college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was like, it was plug and play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the, you know, the first base defense is a little bit better, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see with Christian more, you know, we'll we'll see how that all comes together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's another guy that probably needed some more time in the minor leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe you got said, I don't know, we shall see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to wrap up the video portion of the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening on a podcast, you can stick around right after this break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back with more questions on this angel's deep dive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and we are back, Taylor Blake Ward and Jeff Ponds, we are talking angels top 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about a lot of the top 10 already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's go beyond the top 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there any sleepers in particular that you are fond of outside of this top 10?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Could be anywhere from 11 to 30 or beyond?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, Hayden Alvarez is one that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got all the tools in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some sneaky power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a wide restraint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just getting it all together at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everyone's talking about how Yazio Puyg is a wild horse, different player, entirely different player, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a wild horse in his own reign.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he got a random man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what the angels were saying about him is, we'd rather see him be aggressive than have to teach him to be aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was a really good thing to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is talking about in the field and on the base paths, you know, even during their inland Empire, 60, 60, six years championship run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Lowe Hayden was serving as basically the bench base runner as kind of a defensive,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He tends to make a few too many mistakes because of his aggression, but if he can reign it all in, this actually might be someone that I would say is easily a top 10 prospects in any organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going through the process, I had Hayden notably higher in my personal thought process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going through it and I had to move down for the sake of he has an extreme grade variance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I love the extreme grade of him and then I think I've mentioned him in many times CJ Gray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is you get that kind of on-mount athlete with that kind of already present arm strength in arm speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to end up with a very special fastball and all he has to do is find a second pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And second pitch and just some form of command.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you, I guys big league all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's really special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't think he's a starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think they create indicates it, but love him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely love him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another guy I wanted to kind of ask you about, because I felt like he came up constantly last year in conversations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also put up some big numbers in the Arizona Fall League was the 2025 minor league player of the year for the angels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Raudie Rodriguez, talk to me a little bit about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit older, but obviously good numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of the scouting reports still necessarily back the numbers and a lot of the underlying data doesn't back the numbers and so the either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's from high school, he was older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a Dominican born player that played high school baseball in Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was a plus arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of plus raw data on bad at ball stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was extreme EVs for high schooler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he had to take him to account.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was 19.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little stronger than some of the kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: age bracket to a degree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was kind of serving as the backup on opening day at LN Empire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he worked his way into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he had a game where he had like three triples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of a few guys who had double digits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A few guys in the last two decades who had double digit triples, doubles, home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is definitely nearly exit velocities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're talking 1, 16, 1, 17, plus, you know, it's a guy that can go out and field at any position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little leery on, if you could be a big league center filter, maybe he's able to pinch there kind of thing, but I'm going to be able to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still got the plus arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still got the plus raw power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just trying to contain his chase rates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He chases a little too much to say, hey, this is a guy that was the

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, undeniably, he was the best performer in the Angel System last year, and best on-field player in the Angel System last year, carried it into the Fall League, as you mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's still a little bit of tools over manufactured ball player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a very good bass runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's all there to be a fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say it's a everyday kind of profile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I have him ranked obviously outside of the top 10 down in the 20s, it's not that I dislike the kids amazing, it's great makeup it's great tools it's just a 22 year old that that was in low way that had to earn his way into the role that he had his going to be a little bit of a challenge for me to say hey that's a top 10 prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of mentioned this a little bit earlier, and this is probably going to be the last question we'll wrap this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They took a couple of, I would call them more relief prospects in Nate's need and chase shores.

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[SPEAKER_01]: do you think either of these guys could see the big leagues this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Could either of them be developed more like a starter, which is kind of what we saw with Chris Cortez, a Texas A&M, was another one of these guys that was, you know, a college reliever that struck out a ton of batteries and a power for conference, the power for conference frankly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they convert

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be the goal of the angels as to try and do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you mentioned Chris Cortez and from out of the draft meetings, we were out of the draft phone calls press conferences, they said they were going to try and develop these guys as starters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nate Sneen, particular because of his arsenal, he's got five, six pitches and he can break the fastball different ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, you know, a lot of people really like Nate Sneen, that's a low slot, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an east to west as opposed to north south, even though he has north south weapons with his east west weapons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chase shores, I mean, you've seen it, that fastball slider combination is really special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so is Chris Cortez's, and Chris Cortez spent the whole year in Troy City in Haye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I you mentioned could they be big leaders this year if they were set down to camp uh... minorly camp recently um... not to give away the timing of when we recorded this but very recently but um... if two shores was on the opening they roster i i don't know if i'd blink an eye it's angels right and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Chase Shores was on the opening day roster, but I would love to see these guys try and start and get them innings, see what they can do over the course of multiple innings and learn through those multiple innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what development is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And rushing these guys, I don't think it would be an asset, even though both of them do project as per levers in the long run, being able to utilize them in multiple innings through ending one through five and getting out of ending one, two, three, four, five is gonna only benefit them when they're trying to get in

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, put, well, put.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's the last question, Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll caught seed here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last thing I'll mention, any sort of overarching or round-up sort of points on this angel system, heading into 2026, for angels fans listening out there, sort of things they should be looking out for as they follow the miners this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Follow your content, your work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say the biggest thing, it is see how they treat guys like T-shirts, how they treat guys like Nate's need, how they treat guys like Tyler Bremner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Tyler Bremner is throwing a pitch in the big leagues this year, I still think they're behind the curve on the development ladder because you need to take your time with guys like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is the future of your organization, take your time before you get into the big leagues, if it ends up being AJ Grossius, so your Stroke Snyder, Jackson Flora, whoever, right, that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the, you got to take time to develop these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait to see what they do with their pitching staff in Arizona in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, empire with talent, haily, Xavier Mitchell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys like that, um, but they've got to find a way to develop bats and they've got to find a way to kind of continue developing internally without doing it under the watch of Kurt Suzuki and and, and, and run Washington and guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that wraps up our Angels Top 30 Deep Dive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for tuning into another Baseball America Prospect podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Jeff Fertaler, for all of us at BA, thanks for tuning in.