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Page 94: the Private Eye Podcast.

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Hello, and welcome to
another episode of Page 94.

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My name's Andrew Hunter Murray,
and I'm here in the Eyes

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War Room with Helen Lewis.

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Adam McQueen and Ian

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Hislop.

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, very glad that you're all here
today, Ian, I know you've flown

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in at some expense from Dubai,

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expense to the taxpayer I obviously

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we're here to discuss

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What

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on Earth is going on.

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Helen, how did this happen?

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A,

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a very good question and one to

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which we still

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do not

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after several days have an answer.

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we've

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got quite a lot of answers, haven't we?

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An awful lot of

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reasons.

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of different

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answers.

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various explanations were
offered Trump, Seemed to

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have been on phone calls
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Corps over the previous weekend,

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and he gave a range

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of ideas.

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Marco

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Rubio, the Secretary of State,

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came out

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and said something

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which might

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have been accidentally have been true, and
was therefore he was immediately had to

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backtrack on, which was

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the idea that,

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Israel were going to

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do strikes on Iran, which they
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And so therefore, America

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was preempting

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that.

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that's obviously a very controversial
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greatest superpower is being
dragged into a war by a, Nation of 8

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million people.

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So he

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then had to pretend that

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wasn't what

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he'd

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said, in one of those kind of great

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flat denials that they,

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that the

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US administration

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really specialize in,

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When they go, no, we didn't.

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And then they play the clip,
and they oh yeah, you did.

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So you know what the answer

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is, that nobody,

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nobody

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they

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did last weekend, they were
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yeah, Ali Kaney is

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now dead.

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son at the time

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of recording

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is wounded but alive.

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According to that,

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a big change then.

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I think, it's a significant change
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leader who you murdered his
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So he'll have more motivation
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the West, I would've thought.

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Another success, mission

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accomplished.

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But also the, there's
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about how they want,

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Iranian protestors to
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on the

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protest.

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The trouble is that comes after
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thousands of them being slaughtered

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imprisoned by the regime.

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that they've done is, obviously the US

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defunded, all of

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its, overseas broadcast

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operations, including I
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that was woke madness that just allowed

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people just to sit on very big ses and

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and the new supreme leader is called
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gonna choose.

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But also in, in his cv, which obviously
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and catch up, it said he had a very
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lot of his views called his father.

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the signs have been there for a
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and as you say, we dunno how long
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a leader of the, opposition party.

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So it's not, we're not dealing
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'cause he's been through the British
public school system and been deeply

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inculcated in our ways and values.

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no.

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It's continuity

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IOL is

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I'm, yeah.

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hasn't even been to Sandhurst.

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that bother Trump?

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Because he did regime change
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Which consisted of taking out one
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letting the regime carry on now as
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of the oil reserves came the US' way

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instead.

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how even that's

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working

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out given the reluctance of the
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scheme, given that they think even if

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you think he's

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gonna stay around beyond his term,

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he is still

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heading into his eighties.

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is it just too

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cynical

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to say that Trump just fancied

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doing it and there was no one around

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him to stop him

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and the ah ma is in place.

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What you gonna, what you gonna do?

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to send them home.

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And I also think that, Israel has been
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that it wants to just use the opportunity
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to take out as many

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regional enemies as possible.

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they, but, Israeli
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they've done a kind of incredible.

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they set up a couple of years ago, a,

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a remote controlled sniper rifle

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to take out an Iranian nuclear scientist.

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there was a, do you remember that
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posed with that wall of rack of DVDs

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of the, the Iranian nuclear secrets.

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This has been a, a
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US presidents have been more of the

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calm down lad's view.

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but this is also the nuclear
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Donald Trump had been
totally obliterated last

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year.

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strikes last year, he said it was
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compromised and not totally obliterated.

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they keep a Right.

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assassinating Iranian

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nuclear

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scientists,

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it's a real testament to
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back up

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again within six months.

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is confusing for, readers to say,
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there's a lot happening in Lebanon.

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Most of the casualties,
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seem to be by Israel on a country
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think

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Benjamin Netanyahu has calculated,

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he will never have an American

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president who is so
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that he's always wanted to
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there's, this is what I mean.

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This is a fundamentally a
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is nothing to

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restrain Donald

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why is there

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nothing?

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no international law for a start.

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So we have, president Macron was
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saying it's not really in accordance with

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international law.

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there's

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no, there

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was no vote

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in Congress,

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this, no congressional

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authorization for this, no one else in
the alliance, the NATO alliance is willing

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to speak up to, Donald Trump, the most

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we're getting is Ki saying,
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Russia, which are allied with
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in any,

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I'm sure they're supplying it with

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or arms,

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but they haven't stepped up in any massive

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make a big deal or outta this.

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So, who, what is the restraint here on,

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on Trump and Netanyahu,

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and then some commentators
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There is no restraint.

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The one thing that might be the
restraint as ever, is the US economy.

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so as we're talking now, there's
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the one thing that

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the White House who aren't

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called Donald Trump
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But this has been, but

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this has been going on for a long time.

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So the midterms are in November.

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Traditionally, you'd expect a
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in the midterms, which will

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start of Trump's gentle, fading outta

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US presidential

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second terms.

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So the, his team are terribly
worried that they can't get him

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to talk about affordability.

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he mentions it

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in

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passing, but

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then gets super bored

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very quickly.

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And is not doing the

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kind of things you would

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do if

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you're worried about it,

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like rolling back

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tariffs, like not

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spending billions

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of dollars of ordinance

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in, the

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Middle East with no clear objective.

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After nine 11, there was a strong

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impulse

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that something must be done.

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I don't get the sense
that's, the same here.

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No, the polling on it

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is really, negative

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and I'm not surprised

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about that because there was
absolutely no preparation for it.

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So a couple of days before the strike,

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Trump did the

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State

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of the Union address,
which is incredibly long

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and rambling,

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and he did, I think, three paragraphs on

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Iran.

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Now, classically, you might want to say

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we

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have

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this terrible enemy and,
To get back to 2003.

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Oh, we are really worried it'll
unleash a chemical weapon on us.

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Or we are really worried it's got weapons
of mass destruction, or here's the threat

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that it poses to the world order, or

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we can't allow this to go on
because of this incredible

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threat.

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No, he just

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said we can't let them
have a nuclear weapon.

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And

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that was

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really

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as far as it went.

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So the American public
opinion hasn't been prepared

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it was extraordinary.

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I was going back for reasons that become
apparent a bit later in the podcast to

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a lot of coverage from 2003 and quite
how long the buildup to that one was.

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it was all about are they gonna get a
un second resolution and are the weapons

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inspectors gonna be allowed to buy?

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it's 18 months before they
actually moved and, went in.

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whereas this one just does seem
to have done on a whim, possibly.

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do you think he knew it was gonna
happen or did Nie Min Netina who

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just phone him up and say it's

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tomorrow?

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they had been moving, as Andy said,
they'd been moving all of the carrier

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groups into the, into the Mediterranean,

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so that over a period of

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weeks.

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the day before the

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embassies were saying all
the non-essential staff.

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please

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leave, which didn't

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seem to trickle through
to the influencers at

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that point.

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I would be like, oh, really?

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Okay,

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fine.

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I See

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you.

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they're essential

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though.

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That's

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the thing.

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Yeah.

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Deeply essential

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posting activities that must be done.

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and in a way they

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hadn't really stopped since last June
when they bombed the nuclear facilities.

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That was a, cease

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fire

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in the sense of, and we'll
come back anytime we like.

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Thank you.

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the

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international inspectors did say
that they had found some, material.

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so there was a,

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small chance to say actually, it's not
totally random, but that was just buried.

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Yeah.

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I really like people have been
doing that meme of at least in

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2003 you took the time to lie to

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us

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and You can't even be bothered to

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do that.

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I

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think Trump's having a very

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bad

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time at the moment.

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He's had this big rash on his neck.

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He's been wearing a, baseball
cap, which for a man who's very.

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Vain is an interesting one.

391
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So the fake situation room
that he's made in Mar-a-Lago.

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He was sitting there with his
baseball cap on, and then he went

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to a dignified transfer, which is
when they receive home the bodies of

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American servicemen,

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traditionally, like the
most solemn occasion.

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And he was wearing a baseball cap for it,

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but it's a white cap.

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I'm pretty convinced that he's thought
this shows, I'm one of the good guys.

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Um,

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it's back to fairly

401
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basic

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John Wayne territory, Are

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I'm afraid.

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We are

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Jerry Cooper.

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the Iranian guys, all
their hats are black Andy,

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right?

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He is

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wearing a white

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hat.

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I don't need,

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I don't need any further

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convincing,

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that's the level of
analysis you're gonna get

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from

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me.

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Oh.

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Then he might put a, maybe he puts the
black hat on when he orders a strike.

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or,

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maybe it's a bit like the new Pope.

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Maybe he's sending

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out kind

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of signals

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through the colors of a hat.

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but

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you think it's, there's
something wrong with

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hat?

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I think,

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it's

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about the fact that they had, that he's

431
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got some, he's had all these, he's
had this bruise on his hand that

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looks like a son but had an IV in it.

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He's

434
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had congested ankles.

435
00:10:06,954 --> 00:10:10,404
He's spoken a bit about the fact that
might be chronic venous insufficiency.

436
00:10:10,554 --> 00:10:12,144
I think he's struggling through a few

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health

438
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problems,

439
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which is probably not
surprising for amount

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his age.

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For a man of his age and

442
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prodigious Diet Coke and
random food consumption.

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he's not a,

444
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and he

445
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takes four aspirin a day.

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00:10:23,874 --> 00:10:24,084
there's

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this

448
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kind

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00:10:24,489 --> 00:10:24,579
of,

450
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'
'cause he

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wants lovely, thin blood.

452
00:10:26,289 --> 00:10:27,459
He doesn't want nasty, thick blood

453
00:10:27,459 --> 00:10:27,639
going

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The classicist listening.

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00:10:29,214 --> 00:10:31,404
I don't think he's got
Venus Insufficiency.

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I think it's

457
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Mars.

458
00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:32,899
Oh,

459
00:10:35,125 --> 00:10:36,655
so the war is not legal.

460
00:10:36,655 --> 00:10:37,495
it's not popular.

461
00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:38,545
It's hugely

462
00:10:39,055 --> 00:10:39,415
screwing

463
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up the global economy.

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00:10:40,814 --> 00:10:41,190
there

465
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are hundreds and hundreds of civilian

466
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casualties happening.

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we haven't yet completely.

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00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:47,550
answered

469
00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:47,640
the

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question of,

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who launched the strike on the primary
school, which killed about 170,

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girls.

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Yeah.

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But

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it

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does look like

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it was

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an American

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strike.

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it

481
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could very well be.

482
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The Americans haven't

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denied

484
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it.

485
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They've just said,

486
00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:00,795
Pete Hesser said

487
00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:01,170
that Trump's

488
00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:01,470
denied it.

489
00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:03,030
yeah, Trump

490
00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:03,690
denies everything.

491
00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:04,230
yeah.

492
00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:07,989
But, at the Pentagon press briefing
the BBC one of the few legacy

493
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outlets that were still allowed
in there because of Pete Hegseth,

494
00:11:10,869 --> 00:11:12,849
the Secretary of Wars turnover

495
00:11:12,849 --> 00:11:12,999
of

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00:11:12,999 --> 00:11:13,359
kind of

497
00:11:13,599 --> 00:11:13,719
the

498
00:11:13,719 --> 00:11:14,949
press court influences.

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00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:16,959
They said, what's happening with that?

500
00:11:17,079 --> 00:11:18,699
And he said, there's an
investigation going on.

501
00:11:18,699 --> 00:11:20,229
They said, that's what
you said several days

502
00:11:20,229 --> 00:11:20,469
ago.

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00:11:20,469 --> 00:11:21,069
Could you

504
00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:22,149
hurry

505
00:11:22,149 --> 00:11:22,659
this along?

506
00:11:23,139 --> 00:11:23,469
And no,

507
00:11:23,469 --> 00:11:24,369
they didn't get any further

508
00:11:24,669 --> 00:11:24,849
right

509
00:11:24,909 --> 00:11:25,089
with

510
00:11:25,089 --> 00:11:25,209
it.

511
00:11:25,689 --> 00:11:30,159
there was a piece in the eye last week
suggesting that the, overuse of AI

512
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with

513
00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:35,529
targeting, might explain some of
these errors rather than it being a,

514
00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:38,679
merely a, malicious desire to blow up

515
00:11:38,889 --> 00:11:39,219
school

516
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children, which I don't think
is what the Americans are doing.

517
00:11:42,339 --> 00:11:44,019
It is just a carelessness.

518
00:11:44,169 --> 00:11:49,926
And an an Over-reliance, on
technology, which does make mistakes,

519
00:11:50,436 --> 00:11:54,221
it is hard to see how the war is gonna
get any more popular as time goes by.

520
00:11:54,221 --> 00:11:54,641
If

521
00:11:55,301 --> 00:11:55,541
there

522
00:11:55,541 --> 00:11:55,601
are

523
00:11:55,601 --> 00:11:57,551
more casualties, as,

524
00:11:57,551 --> 00:11:58,691
the certainly will be Iranian.

525
00:11:58,691 --> 00:11:59,921
And whether there are any more American

526
00:11:59,921 --> 00:12:00,371
ones

527
00:12:00,909 --> 00:12:01,569
we're used to

528
00:12:01,599 --> 00:12:03,069
the idea that Trump makes quick

529
00:12:03,369 --> 00:12:04,329
Lightning raids,

530
00:12:04,599 --> 00:12:08,259
Venezuela, the, bombing of the
nuclear sites that last June,

531
00:12:09,189 --> 00:12:10,899
and then declares victory.

532
00:12:11,259 --> 00:12:15,039
It seems as though Iran hasn't received
a copy of that script on this occasion.

533
00:12:15,345 --> 00:12:15,645
that's

534
00:12:15,645 --> 00:12:16,785
the real fear when you talk

535
00:12:16,785 --> 00:12:18,075
to people who, cover that

536
00:12:18,075 --> 00:12:18,405
region.

537
00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:21,645
Is that it are, is there a sense
among the Iranian leadership

538
00:12:21,855 --> 00:12:22,005
that

539
00:12:22,005 --> 00:12:24,045
they don't have anything to lose by

540
00:12:24,045 --> 00:12:25,035
just continuing

541
00:12:25,545 --> 00:12:26,235
there certainly isn't.

542
00:12:26,685 --> 00:12:29,025
when one of the many justifications
has been given for it is that they

543
00:12:29,025 --> 00:12:30,525
want re regime change, isn't there?

544
00:12:30,915 --> 00:12:32,955
there's not really much coming
back from that, even if it's

545
00:12:32,955 --> 00:12:34,485
amongst a smorgasbord of other

546
00:12:34,485 --> 00:12:35,295
justifications.

547
00:12:35,475 --> 00:12:35,745
Yeah.

548
00:12:35,805 --> 00:12:36,135
They want

549
00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:36,380
out.

550
00:12:36,705 --> 00:12:36,975
Yeah.

551
00:12:36,975 --> 00:12:39,735
But I think you are right about
the, popularity aspect of it.

552
00:12:40,215 --> 00:12:43,485
I suspect that will be what
eventually prompts Trump to

553
00:12:43,485 --> 00:12:45,225
declare that he's definitely won.

554
00:12:45,645 --> 00:12:45,825
It's

555
00:12:45,825 --> 00:12:46,065
all

556
00:12:46,065 --> 00:12:46,485
over,

557
00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:47,820
everything's amazing,

558
00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:49,020
and then move on

559
00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:50,310
to something else.

560
00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:50,820
But it's,

561
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,660
it is really

562
00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:52,080
peculiar

563
00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,020
because I sat there at a Trump rally
and listened to him saying, I'm

564
00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:56,520
the only US president in 80 years

565
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,840
who hasn't started any wars.

566
00:12:57,930 --> 00:13:00,660
I've ended some such a
huge part of his appeal.

567
00:13:00,930 --> 00:13:02,550
He was in the 2016

568
00:13:02,550 --> 00:13:04,980
debates very when he
had a go Jeb Bush, for

569
00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:05,730
those of you who are,

570
00:13:06,030 --> 00:13:06,690
have long memories

571
00:13:06,825 --> 00:13:07,175
about

572
00:13:07,285 --> 00:13:09,030
Iraq saying, you've got us

573
00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:09,270
into

574
00:13:09,270 --> 00:13:11,580
this stupid war that cost American

575
00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:13,230
lives and American billions.

576
00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:13,650
What

577
00:13:13,650 --> 00:13:14,370
was the point of that?

578
00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:14,700
There

579
00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:16,080
is a previous version of Trump

580
00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:16,290
that

581
00:13:16,583 --> 00:13:16,818
there, was

582
00:13:16,818 --> 00:13:17,358
some blinking

583
00:13:17,358 --> 00:13:18,378
away some neurons

584
00:13:18,378 --> 00:13:18,678
saying

585
00:13:18,678 --> 00:13:18,978
that this

586
00:13:18,978 --> 00:13:19,158
is a

587
00:13:19,168 --> 00:13:19,288
battle.

588
00:13:19,428 --> 00:13:19,713
It was an

589
00:13:19,713 --> 00:13:22,773
absolutely explicit part of his appeal
to the American people wasn't, it was

590
00:13:22,773 --> 00:13:24,453
no more forever wars in the Middle East.

591
00:13:24,573 --> 00:13:26,883
And that's what we were talking
about checks and balances on him.

592
00:13:27,093 --> 00:13:30,903
How much of a check and balance on
him is the MAGA base and those voters.

593
00:13:30,903 --> 00:13:33,873
I, I suppose he, if he's not standing for
another election, then personally he's

594
00:13:33,873 --> 00:13:35,553
got nothing to lose from annoying those

595
00:13:35,553 --> 00:13:35,853
people.

596
00:13:35,853 --> 00:13:35,943
But,

597
00:13:36,543 --> 00:13:38,703
he has stuffed JD Vance quite

598
00:13:38,703 --> 00:13:39,183
heavily with this.

599
00:13:39,183 --> 00:13:40,353
So the vice president is,

600
00:13:40,683 --> 00:13:43,803
known to be America first
and isolation is very much of

601
00:13:43,803 --> 00:13:44,793
that tendency.

602
00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:45,573
he served

603
00:13:45,573 --> 00:13:47,643
in in Iraq and it's

604
00:13:47,643 --> 00:13:48,483
really made

605
00:13:49,053 --> 00:13:49,413
quite

606
00:13:49,413 --> 00:13:52,563
hard for fans to run as the
vice presidential incumbent

607
00:13:52,563 --> 00:13:53,553
in 2028,

608
00:13:53,553 --> 00:13:57,243
having been so overwhelmingly humiliated

609
00:13:57,243 --> 00:13:57,723
on his,

610
00:13:57,783 --> 00:13:58,923
one of his signature

611
00:14:00,123 --> 00:14:00,723
policy

612
00:14:01,338 --> 00:14:01,938
positions.

613
00:14:02,148 --> 00:14:02,268
There

614
00:14:02,268 --> 00:14:02,388
we

615
00:14:02,388 --> 00:14:03,798
have it, the thinnest

616
00:14:03,798 --> 00:14:04,308
silver

617
00:14:04,323 --> 00:14:04,743
lining

618
00:14:05,148 --> 00:14:06,168
imaginable

619
00:14:06,438 --> 00:14:07,188
on an otherwise

620
00:14:07,203 --> 00:14:07,803
enormous

621
00:14:07,803 --> 00:14:08,163
cloud.

622
00:14:08,163 --> 00:14:08,343
I was

623
00:14:08,343 --> 00:14:08,793
about to say

624
00:14:09,633 --> 00:14:10,803
he's really nuked JD

625
00:14:10,803 --> 00:14:11,703
Vance's prospects,

626
00:14:11,703 --> 00:14:11,853
and I

627
00:14:11,853 --> 00:14:12,003
thought

628
00:14:12,003 --> 00:14:12,123
that's

629
00:14:12,123 --> 00:14:12,423
not the

630
00:14:12,423 --> 00:14:12,783
happiest.

631
00:14:12,873 --> 00:14:14,136
he'll be back in nine months, 20, Yeah.

632
00:14:14,136 --> 00:14:20,186
Just to pick up on Adam's point is
only seven servicemen have died to

633
00:14:20,186 --> 00:14:22,316
date, only seven American servicemen.

634
00:14:22,316 --> 00:14:25,016
So obviously large numbers
of other people have died.

635
00:14:25,316 --> 00:14:25,496
But

636
00:14:25,496 --> 00:14:25,976
aren't

637
00:14:26,756 --> 00:14:30,836
unpopular wars in America, wars
in which American servicemen die?

638
00:14:31,676 --> 00:14:36,596
so far and I'm not being callous And
you couldn't be more callous than Trump.

639
00:14:36,926 --> 00:14:37,226
Yeah.

640
00:14:37,526 --> 00:14:38,126
people die.

641
00:14:38,126 --> 00:14:39,086
It happens in wars.

642
00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:39,566
There we go.

643
00:14:40,496 --> 00:14:43,586
I thought quite a jaw
dropping speech, but so

644
00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:44,156
far

645
00:14:45,206 --> 00:14:45,656
it's

646
00:14:45,656 --> 00:14:46,316
not

647
00:14:46,902 --> 00:14:48,852
losses that will make the war

648
00:14:48,882 --> 00:14:49,482
unpopular.

649
00:14:49,872 --> 00:14:53,142
The thing that is really toxic
for him is the sense of the MAGA

650
00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:56,322
base going, why don't you care
about the same things that we care

651
00:14:56,322 --> 00:14:56,832
about?

652
00:14:57,372 --> 00:14:59,022
and, and it is now a very

653
00:14:59,022 --> 00:15:02,382
popular conspiracy theory that he
did this as he does everything to

654
00:15:02,382 --> 00:15:03,792
get away from the Epstein files.

655
00:15:04,662 --> 00:15:05,082
and that is

656
00:15:05,082 --> 00:15:05,682
a, it's a

657
00:15:06,012 --> 00:15:07,152
fringe belief, but it's still

658
00:15:07,872 --> 00:15:08,202
quite

659
00:15:08,202 --> 00:15:08,892
a lively one

660
00:15:08,892 --> 00:15:10,212
among some sections of the base.

661
00:15:10,482 --> 00:15:11,292
And then for swing

662
00:15:11,292 --> 00:15:14,922
voters, there were people who
voted for Trump because inflation

663
00:15:14,922 --> 00:15:15,642
was really high and

664
00:15:15,642 --> 00:15:17,652
they were having difficulty
buying stuff, and they didn't

665
00:15:17,652 --> 00:15:19,842
mind all the other mad
stuff that he was doing.

666
00:15:20,202 --> 00:15:22,272
They just didn't like
what Biden was doing.

667
00:15:22,612 --> 00:15:23,122
those people are

668
00:15:23,122 --> 00:15:24,202
not diehard

669
00:15:24,202 --> 00:15:24,652
committed

670
00:15:24,652 --> 00:15:25,342
maga headss.

671
00:15:25,552 --> 00:15:26,152
They're people who

672
00:15:26,152 --> 00:15:26,752
want a

673
00:15:26,752 --> 00:15:28,132
functional US economy.

674
00:15:28,672 --> 00:15:28,912
And

675
00:15:28,912 --> 00:15:28,972
at

676
00:15:28,972 --> 00:15:30,862
the moment, he seems to be
interested in everything

677
00:15:30,862 --> 00:15:32,782
but their gas prices,

678
00:15:32,812 --> 00:15:32,932
for

679
00:15:32,962 --> 00:15:33,412
example.

680
00:15:33,772 --> 00:15:36,292
And again, he's telling them, he's
saying this is a small price to

681
00:15:36,292 --> 00:15:40,942
pay, for not having a nuclear Iran.

682
00:15:40,942 --> 00:15:41,032
This.

683
00:15:41,032 --> 00:15:42,832
is in One of his latest speeches.

684
00:15:42,832 --> 00:15:46,882
And You're thinking what, so
you're admitting today that

685
00:15:46,942 --> 00:15:49,222
this war is going to cost the US

686
00:15:49,462 --> 00:15:50,002
taxpayer

687
00:15:50,002 --> 00:15:50,332
money.

688
00:15:50,362 --> 00:15:50,662
Yeah.

689
00:15:51,052 --> 00:15:51,142
If

690
00:15:51,142 --> 00:15:53,547
you are, a recently minted
crypto billionaire, probably

691
00:15:53,547 --> 00:15:54,802
lots of things look like a small price

692
00:15:54,892 --> 00:15:55,072
pay,

693
00:15:55,072 --> 00:15:55,342
don't they?

694
00:15:55,762 --> 00:15:56,332
Yes.

695
00:15:56,602 --> 00:15:58,822
In terms of the MAGA base, what
are their feelings about Israel?

696
00:15:58,852 --> 00:16:02,272
'cause traditionally the Republican party
thing has been very much Israel, right

697
00:16:02,272 --> 00:16:03,652
or wrong way behind them all the way.

698
00:16:03,982 --> 00:16:05,422
There's a sort of feeling
with this one that if

699
00:16:05,512 --> 00:16:08,052
Israel took America into this with them.

700
00:16:08,052 --> 00:16:10,062
It's a sort of continuation of with

701
00:16:10,062 --> 00:16:11,952
the attacks on, Hezbollah
in Beirut as well.

702
00:16:11,952 --> 00:16:14,832
It feels like a continuation of one of
the eight walls that he's, he said he's

703
00:16:14,832 --> 00:16:16,272
already finished as well, doesn't it?

704
00:16:16,465 --> 00:16:16,765
I'm

705
00:16:16,765 --> 00:16:17,035
really

706
00:16:17,035 --> 00:16:17,695
interested in this

707
00:16:17,695 --> 00:16:18,175
because I think

708
00:16:18,175 --> 00:16:19,015
it's undercover.

709
00:16:19,045 --> 00:16:23,095
So on the American right, there has been
a lot of discourse since October the

710
00:16:23,095 --> 00:16:26,845
seventh about the fact that the left
is, has been overtaken by basically

711
00:16:27,085 --> 00:16:29,395
hammer supporting cafe wearing students,

712
00:16:29,785 --> 00:16:30,055
and

713
00:16:30,055 --> 00:16:30,925
that this is a driving

714
00:16:30,925 --> 00:16:32,575
force of antisemitism in the us.

715
00:16:33,190 --> 00:16:33,940
Actually,

716
00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,300
there's

717
00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:36,220
a mirror image of that
happening on the right.

718
00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:42,280
So one of the big stars among Gen
Z staffers in Washington, they will

719
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,730
admit to watching Nick Fuentes,
who is self-described Christian

720
00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:48,460
nationalist, a Holocaust denier, openly

721
00:16:48,460 --> 00:16:51,040
antisemitic a and somebody who,

722
00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:53,800
for that reason is very critical
of the US Military Alliance.

723
00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:54,070
With

724
00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:54,541
Israel

725
00:16:54,568 --> 00:16:56,458
and saying that he
would now vote Democrat.

726
00:16:56,578 --> 00:16:56,788
he's a

727
00:16:56,788 --> 00:17:01,138
troll, he's an internet troll, but he does
represent something which is that there is

728
00:17:01,138 --> 00:17:01,438
a big

729
00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:05,758
part of the institutional class,
the younger institutional class

730
00:17:06,088 --> 00:17:10,383
that doesn't see the US Israel
Alliance as being something that

731
00:17:10,383 --> 00:17:11,583
is completely unquestionable

732
00:17:11,583 --> 00:17:12,363
and sacrosanct.

733
00:17:12,723 --> 00:17:12,903
And

734
00:17:12,903 --> 00:17:15,063
that has huge implications
in American politics,

735
00:17:15,063 --> 00:17:18,813
for example, because apac, which is
the pro-Israeli funding organization,

736
00:17:18,813 --> 00:17:22,113
is really influential in lots
of, congressional races, lots of

737
00:17:22,203 --> 00:17:24,003
political races, it funds candidates.

738
00:17:24,573 --> 00:17:27,663
and it has a very, specific set of
demands about what it think, what thinks

739
00:17:27,663 --> 00:17:29,643
that, those candidates
should say if it's prepared

740
00:17:29,643 --> 00:17:30,153
to back them.

741
00:17:30,663 --> 00:17:31,863
And you will already beginning to

742
00:17:31,863 --> 00:17:33,963
see candidates backing away slightly

743
00:17:34,318 --> 00:17:34,498
on

744
00:17:34,498 --> 00:17:34,738
both

745
00:17:34,828 --> 00:17:35,338
turning money

746
00:17:35,343 --> 00:17:35,673
down.

747
00:17:36,363 --> 00:17:38,373
so Gavin Newsom is a
really interesting example.

748
00:17:38,373 --> 00:17:38,703
He's

749
00:17:38,703 --> 00:17:40,173
obviously got his eyes on 2028 as a

750
00:17:40,173 --> 00:17:41,523
democratic contender.

751
00:17:41,523 --> 00:17:42,783
He's currently governor of California.

752
00:17:42,843 --> 00:17:43,323
He

753
00:17:43,323 --> 00:17:44,793
said last week that,

754
00:17:45,033 --> 00:17:46,443
and he phrased it as
someone else saying it, but

755
00:17:46,443 --> 00:17:48,123
he said other people
have described Israel as

756
00:17:48,123 --> 00:17:49,173
an apartheid state.

757
00:17:49,683 --> 00:17:49,983
Now in

758
00:17:49,983 --> 00:17:51,693
American politics, this
used to be the kind of

759
00:17:51,693 --> 00:17:52,383
thing that had people

760
00:17:52,683 --> 00:17:53,073
reaching

761
00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:53,343
for the,

762
00:17:53,703 --> 00:17:56,553
the gin and the clutching
their pearls that this was a

763
00:17:56,613 --> 00:17:58,383
completely unthinkable unsayable

764
00:17:58,383 --> 00:17:58,683
thing to

765
00:17:58,683 --> 00:17:59,133
say,

766
00:17:59,973 --> 00:18:01,723
but it's not anymore.

767
00:18:01,783 --> 00:18:03,463
And then the mirror image
of that is on the right.

768
00:18:03,463 --> 00:18:05,203
You will have people like very influential

769
00:18:05,203 --> 00:18:06,793
commentators like Tucker Carlson,

770
00:18:06,793 --> 00:18:07,873
who are incredibly

771
00:18:07,993 --> 00:18:10,723
critical of Israel and
actually have built up quite

772
00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:10,813
a

773
00:18:10,843 --> 00:18:11,173
fan

774
00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:12,013
base in places like

775
00:18:12,013 --> 00:18:15,163
Qatar and Saudi Arabia, because
of their willingness to say that.

776
00:18:15,608 --> 00:18:16,050
already

777
00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:20,220
we knew that popular opinion in America
had moved away from Israel and now that

778
00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:24,000
is finding its outlet in some of the
elite commentators and some of the kind

779
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,620
of niche and underground commentators.

780
00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,030
So I think you're right.

781
00:18:27,030 --> 00:18:27,960
I think that this

782
00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:29,250
sequence of events

783
00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:31,680
will drive those people
even further into the

784
00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:32,580
arms of

785
00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:35,670
why does Israel dictate
the US foreign policy?

786
00:18:35,670 --> 00:18:37,155
That's why Marco Rubio came

787
00:18:37,155 --> 00:18:37,315
out

788
00:18:37,395 --> 00:18:37,635
kinda

789
00:18:37,635 --> 00:18:38,025
cleaned

790
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,160
up

791
00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:38,970
his,

792
00:18:38,970 --> 00:18:39,570
statements

793
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:39,990
because

794
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:41,130
that is a toxic thing

795
00:18:41,130 --> 00:18:41,340
to have

796
00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:43,050
said to not to quite

797
00:18:43,050 --> 00:18:44,340
a number of people in American

798
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:44,940
political

799
00:18:44,955 --> 00:18:45,195
life.

800
00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:47,940
And again, it seems a bit of
a u-turn from, back in, God,

801
00:18:47,940 --> 00:18:48,900
it's only January, isn't it?

802
00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:52,020
When they, went into Venezuela, but then
the justification of that was, this is

803
00:18:52,020 --> 00:18:55,080
all about the Don Row doctrine, which
is saying that the Western hemisphere

804
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,530
is, part of the Americas are what
we're gonna be focusing on now, which

805
00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:02,040
is make the Americas great again,
But then suddenly, yeah, no straight

806
00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:05,460
screeching, reverse ferret into,
more war in the Middle East does seem

807
00:19:06,105 --> 00:19:06,315
quite a,

808
00:19:06,315 --> 00:19:06,735
turnaround.

809
00:19:06,945 --> 00:19:07,785
It makes no sense.

810
00:19:07,785 --> 00:19:09,975
And I think people have tried
to drive themselves mad in the

811
00:19:09,975 --> 00:19:10,635
last week trying to

812
00:19:10,635 --> 00:19:10,815
make

813
00:19:10,815 --> 00:19:11,175
this make

814
00:19:11,415 --> 00:19:11,505
no

815
00:19:11,505 --> 00:19:11,835
sense.

816
00:19:11,865 --> 00:19:12,465
And I think if you

817
00:19:12,465 --> 00:19:14,175
just go, just imagine

818
00:19:14,355 --> 00:19:17,565
he's Cula and he's made
his horse a senator.

819
00:19:17,565 --> 00:19:17,745
Hang on.

820
00:19:17,745 --> 00:19:18,105
Was that him?

821
00:19:18,255 --> 00:19:18,375
or Was

822
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:18,590
that

823
00:19:18,645 --> 00:19:19,275
Tiberius?

824
00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:20,245
No, it was and

825
00:19:20,295 --> 00:19:21,375
was ULA Console,

826
00:19:21,375 --> 00:19:21,585
yeah.

827
00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:23,820
See, the one thing we
can't get wrong on this

828
00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:24,990
podcast is classics,

829
00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:25,170
isn't it?

830
00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:25,420
it?

831
00:19:26,140 --> 00:19:26,500
I knew

832
00:19:27,105 --> 00:19:27,855
it's like me saying

833
00:19:27,855 --> 00:19:29,115
a Venus insufficiency.

834
00:19:29,115 --> 00:19:33,195
I should have said, he does need more
love, but he doesn't need more war.

835
00:19:33,945 --> 00:19:34,395
but I didn't

836
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:34,755
make it

837
00:19:34,755 --> 00:19:35,055
clear.

838
00:19:35,235 --> 00:19:35,685
I'm gonna,

839
00:19:35,685 --> 00:19:38,145
I'm gonna do one deliberate
error about either Roman

840
00:19:38,145 --> 00:19:38,775
history or the

841
00:19:38,775 --> 00:19:40,365
Second World War in every podcast.

842
00:19:40,365 --> 00:19:40,444
Just

843
00:19:40,485 --> 00:19:40,665
to keep

844
00:19:40,665 --> 00:19:40,995
everyone on

845
00:19:40,995 --> 00:19:41,085
their

846
00:19:41,085 --> 00:19:41,535
toes.

847
00:19:41,535 --> 00:19:41,745
Thank you.

848
00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:42,015
you.

849
00:19:44,567 --> 00:19:44,747
we

850
00:19:44,747 --> 00:19:48,377
should come now to the most important
question that the war on Iran

851
00:19:48,407 --> 00:19:49,097
has raised,

852
00:19:49,097 --> 00:19:53,387
which is why oh, Y is
K Starman not invading

853
00:19:53,387 --> 00:19:54,227
immediately?

854
00:19:54,648 --> 00:19:56,448
I think that's, that, that's
the official British media

855
00:19:56,448 --> 00:19:57,138
stance, isn't it?

856
00:19:57,138 --> 00:19:57,618
Or most

857
00:19:57,633 --> 00:19:57,873
of us.

858
00:19:57,873 --> 00:19:57,933
So

859
00:19:58,453 --> 00:19:58,673
So

860
00:19:58,804 --> 00:19:59,400
would you, like to

861
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,480
guess what percentage

862
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,240
of people in Britain, according
to a recent Ugo poll, describe

863
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,070
themselves as being pro-Trump?

864
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,300
What percentage of Britain's are

865
00:20:06,375 --> 00:20:07,185
pro-Trump?

866
00:20:07,485 --> 00:20:09,015
Oh, it'll be triple figures.

867
00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:09,920
but

868
00:20:10,075 --> 00:20:11,515
which I mean three, right?

869
00:20:11,835 --> 00:20:12,405
3%.

870
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:12,960
Yeah.

871
00:20:13,050 --> 00:20:15,000
where was this poll conducted Inside

872
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,090
the

873
00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:15,450
Telegraph

874
00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:15,600
office.

875
00:20:16,725 --> 00:20:16,815
Well,

876
00:20:16,815 --> 00:20:17,025
Rather

877
00:20:17,025 --> 00:20:17,295
different

878
00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:18,450
It comes how many?

879
00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:18,870
13.

880
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:19,290
1

881
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,355
3. Wow,

882
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:20,760
Wow.

883
00:20:20,895 --> 00:20:21,225
for some.

884
00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:21,420
I

885
00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:21,540
thought

886
00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:21,740
it was.

887
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:21,980
Yes.

888
00:20:21,985 --> 00:20:22,395
I thought it would

889
00:20:22,395 --> 00:20:22,635
be.

890
00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:23,250
Below

891
00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:24,810
10 and 67%

892
00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:25,380
against.

893
00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:25,590
And then

894
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:25,620
a

895
00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:26,250
lot of people

896
00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:26,970
going as ever

897
00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:27,090
in

898
00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:27,810
a poll going, who?

899
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,540
and people.

900
00:20:30,540 --> 00:20:32,970
really associate reform.

901
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:35,430
Voters are more pro-Trump
than everyone else.

902
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:38,280
Conservative Labour, green,
whatever, FSMP, whatever it might be.

903
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,110
And they also, people think

904
00:20:40,110 --> 00:20:40,170
of

905
00:20:40,215 --> 00:20:40,305
them

906
00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:40,425
as

907
00:20:40,425 --> 00:20:40,575
being

908
00:20:40,575 --> 00:20:40,755
war

909
00:20:40,755 --> 00:20:41,175
pro-Trump.

910
00:20:41,565 --> 00:20:43,695
it's not entirely surprising
given that their leader rushed

911
00:20:43,695 --> 00:20:45,105
over to Marra Largo last week.

912
00:20:45,165 --> 00:20:45,885
No, no signal.

913
00:20:45,975 --> 00:20:48,045
The war had broken out to try and
have dinner with Trump, didn't he?

914
00:20:48,045 --> 00:20:48,795
And got

915
00:20:48,795 --> 00:20:49,095
stood

916
00:20:49,095 --> 00:20:49,485
up.

917
00:20:49,515 --> 00:20:50,199
Poor old Nigel.

918
00:20:50,199 --> 00:20:50,655
He'd taken

919
00:20:50,655 --> 00:20:51,555
his GB news film

920
00:20:51,555 --> 00:20:52,605
crew with him and everything.

921
00:20:52,965 --> 00:20:53,115
And

922
00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:53,325
yeah,

923
00:20:53,655 --> 00:20:54,285
if he'd just

924
00:20:54,285 --> 00:20:54,645
booked

925
00:20:54,645 --> 00:20:54,765
it

926
00:20:54,765 --> 00:20:54,945
for

927
00:20:54,945 --> 00:20:54,975
a

928
00:20:54,975 --> 00:20:55,425
wedding,

929
00:20:57,530 --> 00:20:57,820
he'd

930
00:20:57,820 --> 00:20:57,900
have

931
00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:58,150
had a

932
00:20:58,150 --> 00:20:58,695
handshake.

933
00:21:00,015 --> 00:21:00,195
He'd

934
00:21:00,195 --> 00:21:00,615
have been allowed

935
00:21:00,615 --> 00:21:00,675
to

936
00:21:00,675 --> 00:21:01,005
peek

937
00:21:01,005 --> 00:21:03,795
behind the curtain he's got no political

938
00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:04,335
strategy

939
00:21:04,335 --> 00:21:04,485
at

940
00:21:04,485 --> 00:21:04,815
all.

941
00:21:05,325 --> 00:21:05,595
But

942
00:21:05,595 --> 00:21:07,185
this has been a really big
thing in the last week.

943
00:21:07,185 --> 00:21:07,665
is lots

944
00:21:07,665 --> 00:21:08,295
of the

945
00:21:08,355 --> 00:21:13,890
traditional British press, by which
I mean mostly print media, telegraph

946
00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:16,230
time, so on, say running articles.

947
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:17,520
I'm just gonna quote a few headlines here.

948
00:21:17,670 --> 00:21:19,410
Stama has made Britain irrelevant.

949
00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:21,210
Stama must not equivocate on

950
00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:21,600
Iran.

951
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,120
What's the point of having aircraft
carriers if we aren't prepared

952
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:24,480
to use

953
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:24,780
them

954
00:21:25,470 --> 00:21:25,620
to

955
00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:25,830
do

956
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:27,210
what is not made clear?

957
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:32,250
But there is this drumbeat saying, we
must absolutely right or wrong support

958
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:33,570
America in this

959
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:35,340
and saying, Stan can't sit on

960
00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:35,790
the fence.

961
00:21:36,150 --> 00:21:38,910
What actually emerges is
that lots of people want Stan

962
00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:40,200
to sit on the fence on this

963
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:40,500
and

964
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:40,830
think

965
00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:42,810
that's broadly the correct position.

966
00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:43,260
And lots

967
00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:44,280
of people are opposed.

968
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,090
49% were opposed to the attack on
Iran as opposed to 28 in favor.

969
00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:48,670
it's,

970
00:21:48,670 --> 00:21:51,610
reasonably clear public opinion
in the uk, but that has not

971
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:52,540
made it through to the papers.

972
00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:54,690
the Daily Mail in particular, did
you see that headline last week?

973
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,490
Starer Takes The Great Outta

974
00:21:56,730 --> 00:22:00,180
Britain and I just thought, this is
very old for a newspaper that presumably

975
00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:04,560
still thinks of itself as patriotic to
be piling in with another international

976
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,400
leader who's been insulting our prime
minister and taking his side on it, it

977
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,270
just seemed, a very bizarre position to
be, and desperate and deluded was their

978
00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:16,080
front page headline about Stama when, as
you say, I think he's pretty much taking

979
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,640
a position that most of the British public
or majority of them would think was quite

980
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:20,670
a

981
00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:21,120
sensible

982
00:22:21,161 --> 00:22:21,300
one.

983
00:22:21,330 --> 00:22:24,210
And you said to me the
Daily Mail was marvelous in

984
00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:25,020
invoking

985
00:22:25,020 --> 00:22:27,835
the spirit of the other great
wartime leader, Sironi Blair,

986
00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:31,680
who the male used to not think of

987
00:22:31,795 --> 00:22:32,065
as

988
00:22:32,065 --> 00:22:33,235
particularly marvelous.

989
00:22:33,355 --> 00:22:34,525
That was the most extraordinary thing.

990
00:22:34,525 --> 00:22:37,345
You had the male on Sunday headline
saying, Blair, says we should have

991
00:22:37,345 --> 00:22:40,375
gone in at the first, at the first
moment you said, you say, guy,

992
00:22:40,795 --> 00:22:40,975
guys,

993
00:22:40,975 --> 00:22:41,485
do you remember?

994
00:22:41,485 --> 00:22:42,775
You don't like him.

995
00:22:42,775 --> 00:22:44,665
You really, don't like him.

996
00:22:44,785 --> 00:22:46,915
And you've been saying for, decades.

997
00:22:46,915 --> 00:22:47,755
What a disaster.

998
00:22:47,971 --> 00:22:51,385
believing America and going into
Iraq was, it's extraordinary.

999
00:22:51,505 --> 00:22:55,015
even more recently than that, do you
remember when Obama, was supposedly

1000
00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:57,655
interfered in the Brexit vote and
said we'd be at the back of the queue?

1001
00:22:57,655 --> 00:23:01,855
Do you remember all of the op-eds,
from people, saying, oh, how dare

1002
00:23:01,855 --> 00:23:06,145
this American interfere in order to,
they managed to find, their backbones

1003
00:23:06,145 --> 00:23:07,615
there and be a bit patriotic about it.

1004
00:23:07,615 --> 00:23:11,305
But no, we seem to have gone over entirely
into, let's just be the 51st state now,

1005
00:23:11,415 --> 00:23:11,745
according to

1006
00:23:11,745 --> 00:23:12,015
certain

1007
00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:12,615
newspapers.

1008
00:23:12,615 --> 00:23:12,705
But

1009
00:23:12,765 --> 00:23:14,655
you, Adam, you have a very convincing

1010
00:23:14,655 --> 00:23:15,045
theory

1011
00:23:15,055 --> 00:23:15,265
as

1012
00:23:15,265 --> 00:23:15,445
to

1013
00:23:15,445 --> 00:23:15,775
why,

1014
00:23:16,385 --> 00:23:19,115
The key thing about what's happening with
a lot of, particularly our right-wing

1015
00:23:19,115 --> 00:23:24,125
press at the moment, is that internet
advertising is a lot more lucrative

1016
00:23:24,125 --> 00:23:26,105
in America than it is in Britain.

1017
00:23:26,195 --> 00:23:30,305
Which is why the strategy of most of our
British newspapers over the last five

1018
00:23:30,305 --> 00:23:33,695
years or so has been to set up hack posts
in a couple of 'em were ahead of it.

1019
00:23:33,695 --> 00:23:35,405
The mail online was ahead of it.

1020
00:23:35,555 --> 00:23:38,225
The Guardian was long ahead of it
setting up operations in America.

1021
00:23:38,225 --> 00:23:41,495
But all of the others have kinda
been piling resources into,

1022
00:23:41,705 --> 00:23:45,605
New York offices and America
facing websites ever since then.

1023
00:23:45,605 --> 00:23:50,885
And I think that's because these days
actual, print papers are largely a sort of

1024
00:23:50,885 --> 00:23:52,565
afterthought and it's all digital first.

1025
00:23:52,805 --> 00:23:56,135
That whole mindset I think of facing an
American audience is starting to filter

1026
00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:59,765
back entirely into kind of the editorial
line that they're taking even on the

1027
00:23:59,795 --> 00:24:00,335
kind of British

1028
00:24:00,335 --> 00:24:00,695
facing

1029
00:24:00,695 --> 00:24:01,085
stuff.

1030
00:24:01,205 --> 00:24:01,295
Yeah.

1031
00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:04,625
So we've gone very, we've
gone very mago basically.

1032
00:24:05,530 --> 00:24:07,595
we are, British newspapers are now semi

1033
00:24:07,595 --> 00:24:07,985
American

1034
00:24:07,985 --> 00:24:08,345
products.

1035
00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:10,295
it's, As

1036
00:24:10,295 --> 00:24:10,685
soon as

1037
00:24:11,045 --> 00:24:11,195
you

1038
00:24:11,195 --> 00:24:12,425
pointed out, it's quite hard not to

1039
00:24:12,425 --> 00:24:12,755
notice

1040
00:24:12,755 --> 00:24:13,175
it anymore.

1041
00:24:13,175 --> 00:24:13,325
It's

1042
00:24:13,325 --> 00:24:13,925
fascinating.

1043
00:24:13,955 --> 00:24:14,105
The

1044
00:24:14,105 --> 00:24:18,605
telegraph itself is absolutely seeing
itself as a, we did a story in, in,

1045
00:24:18,605 --> 00:24:19,505
street of shame couple weeks ago.

1046
00:24:19,505 --> 00:24:22,025
The Telegraph have earned themselves
a place in the White House press

1047
00:24:22,025 --> 00:24:23,075
room, which they never had before.

1048
00:24:23,075 --> 00:24:25,565
If it was a little, seat at the
back, which they have to share

1049
00:24:25,745 --> 00:24:26,705
with one of the online analysts.

1050
00:24:28,475 --> 00:24:30,035
But they are in there
and they were one of us.

1051
00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:33,665
the Telegraph were amongst many,
people last week who appeared to be

1052
00:24:33,665 --> 00:24:37,595
able just to phone Donald Trump up
on his personal mobile and just have

1053
00:24:37,595 --> 00:24:40,025
a chat to him and say, would you
wanna slag off our Prime Minister?

1054
00:24:40,205 --> 00:24:41,435
yes, I'd be very clever Wouldn.

1055
00:24:41,435 --> 00:24:41,735
You print

1056
00:24:41,765 --> 00:24:41,885
that?

1057
00:24:41,885 --> 00:24:42,095
Yes,

1058
00:24:42,095 --> 00:24:42,395
of course

1059
00:24:42,395 --> 00:24:42,455
I

1060
00:24:42,455 --> 00:24:42,605
will.

1061
00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:43,325
Oh, it's even

1062
00:24:43,325 --> 00:24:44,945
worse than that When
the son phoned him up.

1063
00:24:44,945 --> 00:24:45,515
They seemed

1064
00:24:45,515 --> 00:24:45,605
to

1065
00:24:45,605 --> 00:24:45,695
have

1066
00:24:45,695 --> 00:24:45,995
fed

1067
00:24:45,995 --> 00:24:46,205
him

1068
00:24:46,205 --> 00:24:46,325
the

1069
00:24:46,325 --> 00:24:46,805
line

1070
00:24:46,855 --> 00:24:49,675
So they said something like, do you
think he's just doing this because he's

1071
00:24:49,675 --> 00:24:51,205
worried about losing the Muslim vote?

1072
00:24:51,475 --> 00:24:53,815
Basically Is he afraid of
offending Muslims and Trump

1073
00:24:53,815 --> 00:24:55,795
went, yes, I do think that's
probably is why it is.

1074
00:24:55,915 --> 00:24:56,335
And then

1075
00:24:56,335 --> 00:24:56,545
sure

1076
00:24:56,545 --> 00:24:56,725
enough,

1077
00:24:56,725 --> 00:24:56,875
that

1078
00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:56,995
was

1079
00:24:56,995 --> 00:24:57,085
the

1080
00:24:57,085 --> 00:24:57,505
splash.

1081
00:24:57,535 --> 00:24:58,735
You can't ask leading questions

1082
00:24:58,735 --> 00:24:59,905
in a British courtroom, can you?

1083
00:24:59,905 --> 00:25:01,405
But you can if you're speaking

1084
00:25:01,405 --> 00:25:01,675
to the

1085
00:25:01,675 --> 00:25:01,975
leader

1086
00:25:01,975 --> 00:25:02,065
of

1087
00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:02,575
the free world.

1088
00:25:02,815 --> 00:25:04,945
I did think, I thought that
was a bit of a rum thing and I

1089
00:25:04,945 --> 00:25:05,215
thought,

1090
00:25:06,265 --> 00:25:07,135
no, it you shouldn't be

1091
00:25:07,255 --> 00:25:07,405
be to

1092
00:25:07,405 --> 00:25:07,765
trick

1093
00:25:07,765 --> 00:25:07,855
the

1094
00:25:07,885 --> 00:25:08,125
US

1095
00:25:08,125 --> 00:25:08,485
president

1096
00:25:08,695 --> 00:25:11,935
just, before we say that we
should, can I just put in a word

1097
00:25:11,935 --> 00:25:14,605
for the journalist concern
too, is it's very objective.

1098
00:25:14,755 --> 00:25:18,205
it was, it was Harry Cole and it
was part of his podcast, which

1099
00:25:18,205 --> 00:25:20,185
is titled Harry Cole Saves the

1100
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:20,785
West.

1101
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:21,340
So

1102
00:25:22,435 --> 00:25:23,095
absolutely

1103
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:23,290
he's

1104
00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:23,560
going

1105
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,010
into this

1106
00:25:24,010 --> 00:25:24,490
objective.

1107
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:25,180
Andy's Furious.

1108
00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:25,750
This Podcast

1109
00:25:25,755 --> 00:25:25,905
isn't

1110
00:25:25,905 --> 00:25:26,085
called

1111
00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:27,130
Saves the West.

1112
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:27,640
You

1113
00:25:27,715 --> 00:25:28,215
You can try

1114
00:25:28,215 --> 00:25:28,815
and Save The West.

1115
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,610
Isn't that what

1116
00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:30,010
Liz

1117
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,460
Trust's

1118
00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:30,700
book

1119
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:30,880
was

1120
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,030
called?

1121
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:31,180
Yeah.

1122
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:31,750
10

1123
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:32,350
years To save,

1124
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:32,440
the

1125
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:32,800
West.

1126
00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:34,240
She didn't specify who

1127
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,420
would

1128
00:25:34,425 --> 00:25:35,205
be doing it,

1129
00:25:35,745 --> 00:25:38,085
but I dunno if you remember, Liz
Trust didn't actually manage to do it.

1130
00:25:38,085 --> 00:25:38,295
So

1131
00:25:38,475 --> 00:25:41,115
No, I was thinking how embarrassing
to have taken the title

1132
00:25:41,115 --> 00:25:41,205
of

1133
00:25:41,205 --> 00:25:42,510
your product from

1134
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:42,870
these

1135
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,230
times.

1136
00:25:44,395 --> 00:25:44,725
But that's

1137
00:25:44,725 --> 00:25:47,005
a very good example of the phenomenon
you're talking about, Which

1138
00:25:47,005 --> 00:25:48,745
is that Harry was political editor

1139
00:25:48,775 --> 00:25:49,945
of the Sum for a really long time

1140
00:25:49,945 --> 00:25:50,155
and he's

1141
00:25:50,155 --> 00:25:50,305
now

1142
00:25:50,305 --> 00:25:50,455
got

1143
00:25:50,455 --> 00:25:52,795
an American facing online show.

1144
00:25:52,825 --> 00:25:53,245
So

1145
00:25:53,365 --> 00:25:55,315
his audience is,

1146
00:25:55,315 --> 00:25:55,765
the MAGA

1147
00:25:55,765 --> 00:25:56,065
base.

1148
00:25:56,245 --> 00:26:00,145
Whereas even people on the
British, Rite And just not in that

1149
00:26:00,145 --> 00:26:02,035
reflexively pro-American place

1150
00:26:02,035 --> 00:26:02,215
that,

1151
00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:02,975
the

1152
00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:03,295
MAGA

1153
00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:03,415
people

1154
00:26:03,415 --> 00:26:03,615
are.

1155
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:03,935
Yeah.

1156
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:06,600
the Telegraph certainly used to be the
paper of the kind of buffed and tufts

1157
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,420
and the retired colonels and things
who are mostly popping up now to say,

1158
00:26:09,625 --> 00:26:09,955
you're not

1159
00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:10,680
terribly

1160
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,300
wise, we're going into another
war in the middle of this.

1161
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:12,690
we haven't

1162
00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:12,870
really

1163
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:13,020
got

1164
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:13,650
the resources

1165
00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:14,070
for this.

1166
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:16,110
but just being ignored in this kind

1167
00:26:16,135 --> 00:26:16,225
of

1168
00:26:16,855 --> 00:26:17,177
no,

1169
00:26:17,177 --> 00:26:17,267
And

1170
00:26:17,302 --> 00:26:22,967
the BS and a lot of sympathy for
them pointing out that, the running

1171
00:26:22,967 --> 00:26:27,527
down of the British arms forces can't
entirely be laid at the feet of Kma.

1172
00:26:27,707 --> 00:26:29,357
Given we've had 14 years

1173
00:26:30,347 --> 00:26:30,437
of

1174
00:26:30,437 --> 00:26:32,388
the Conservative party not funding them.

1175
00:26:33,227 --> 00:26:37,946
the fact that there isn't a Navy, and that
the Army is as the eyes repeatedly point

1176
00:26:37,946 --> 00:26:41,186
out, has had it's outsourcing, volunteer,

1177
00:26:41,186 --> 00:26:41,516
and

1178
00:26:41,516 --> 00:26:46,106
recruiting divisions, given to
someone else, means that it's almost

1179
00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:46,586
entirely

1180
00:26:46,586 --> 00:26:47,276
ineffective.

1181
00:26:47,992 --> 00:26:48,262
But there

1182
00:26:48,262 --> 00:26:51,232
does seem to be this willful thing
of not learning from history anymore.

1183
00:26:51,712 --> 00:26:53,842
I wonder if this is part of the, the, con

1184
00:26:54,417 --> 00:26:54,437
the

1185
00:26:54,442 --> 00:26:55,192
war on woke.

1186
00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:58,729
'cause we've been told for years and
years by, a lot of these right wing

1187
00:26:58,729 --> 00:27:02,389
papers that, this, terrible thing
that people want to, focus on slavery

1188
00:27:02,389 --> 00:27:04,639
and the bad things that Empire didn't
naturally empire was marvelous.

1189
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:09,019
But it now seems to have will been
extended to, about 2003, doesn't it?

1190
00:27:09,109 --> 00:27:13,189
But we've decided to just rewrite
that one as, a complete, in fact,

1191
00:27:13,609 --> 00:27:16,849
would you like to play a game of 2003

1192
00:27:16,849 --> 00:27:16,969
or

1193
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:17,869
2026?

1194
00:27:18,109 --> 00:27:18,409
Yes.

1195
00:27:18,619 --> 00:27:18,919
Iraq

1196
00:27:18,934 --> 00:27:19,054
or

1197
00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:19,474
Iran.

1198
00:27:19,969 --> 00:27:20,329
Okay.

1199
00:27:20,329 --> 00:27:20,339
Okay.

1200
00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:20,484
Okay.

1201
00:27:20,584 --> 00:27:20,614
Okay.

1202
00:27:20,939 --> 00:27:21,159
I'm

1203
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:21,239
gonna

1204
00:27:21,239 --> 00:27:21,399
read

1205
00:27:21,399 --> 00:27:21,679
you some

1206
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:21,839
quote,

1207
00:27:22,979 --> 00:27:24,039
the Subedit Nightmare

1208
00:27:24,736 --> 00:27:25,516
You have to guess

1209
00:27:25,531 --> 00:27:26,581
2006 or

1210
00:27:26,581 --> 00:27:27,241
2003.

1211
00:27:27,241 --> 00:27:27,511
This is

1212
00:27:27,541 --> 00:27:27,811
brilliant.

1213
00:27:27,811 --> 00:27:27,901
It's

1214
00:27:27,946 --> 00:27:28,726
It's Iraqi,

1215
00:27:29,671 --> 00:27:29,731
ui.

1216
00:27:29,806 --> 00:27:30,371
that's the one.

1217
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:32,539
British

1218
00:27:32,539 --> 00:27:35,839
spies are part of a deep cover operation
to track down chemical weapons, which

1219
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:39,439
could be used in attacks on neighboring
countries such as Israel and Dubai.

1220
00:27:39,439 --> 00:27:40,669
The mail on Sunday can

1221
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:41,239
reveal

1222
00:27:41,689 --> 00:27:44,629
the intelligence officers are working
with American counterparts inside the

1223
00:27:44,629 --> 00:27:48,592
country to locate sites which have been
identified as potential hiding places

1224
00:27:48,742 --> 00:27:48,982
for

1225
00:27:48,982 --> 00:27:49,372
nerve

1226
00:27:49,372 --> 00:27:49,972
agents.

1227
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,052
2026.

1228
00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:51,412
Yeah.

1229
00:27:51,412 --> 00:27:52,132
2026.

1230
00:27:52,132 --> 00:27:53,182
It was last Sunday.

1231
00:27:53,362 --> 00:27:53,632
Yep.

1232
00:27:53,662 --> 00:27:53,932
Glen

1233
00:27:54,037 --> 00:27:54,487
in, in

1234
00:27:54,502 --> 00:27:54,592
the

1235
00:27:54,592 --> 00:27:54,832
mail

1236
00:27:54,832 --> 00:27:54,982
on

1237
00:27:54,982 --> 00:27:55,432
Sunday.

1238
00:27:55,437 --> 00:27:55,967
I've, I

1239
00:27:55,967 --> 00:27:56,182
love that.

1240
00:27:56,182 --> 00:27:56,752
It sounded

1241
00:27:56,957 --> 00:27:57,177
so

1242
00:27:57,177 --> 00:27:57,652
do though the

1243
00:27:57,652 --> 00:27:58,072
chemical

1244
00:27:58,072 --> 00:27:58,432
agents,

1245
00:27:58,462 --> 00:28:00,622
intelligent sources, talking about

1246
00:28:00,652 --> 00:28:00,982
chemical

1247
00:28:00,982 --> 00:28:01,342
weapons

1248
00:28:01,342 --> 00:28:01,432
and

1249
00:28:01,432 --> 00:28:01,642
nerve

1250
00:28:01,642 --> 00:28:01,852
agents.

1251
00:28:01,852 --> 00:28:01,912
I'm

1252
00:28:01,912 --> 00:28:02,962
wearing skinny jeans.

1253
00:28:02,962 --> 00:28:03,352
I'm listening

1254
00:28:03,352 --> 00:28:03,442
to

1255
00:28:03,457 --> 00:28:03,577
the

1256
00:28:03,577 --> 00:28:04,117
Strokes,

1257
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:04,267
it's

1258
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:04,536
all coming

1259
00:28:04,627 --> 00:28:04,897
back.

1260
00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:05,382
blitzes

1261
00:28:05,557 --> 00:28:05,647
in

1262
00:28:05,647 --> 00:28:06,157
the news again.

1263
00:28:06,217 --> 00:28:06,607
Yes.

1264
00:28:06,847 --> 00:28:07,057
Chemical

1265
00:28:07,057 --> 00:28:07,251
alley.

1266
00:28:07,402 --> 00:28:07,507
He's

1267
00:28:07,582 --> 00:28:07,882
back.

1268
00:28:07,882 --> 00:28:07,892
Yep.

1269
00:28:08,188 --> 00:28:08,608
Another one.

1270
00:28:08,638 --> 00:28:10,168
This is, this is an editorial.

1271
00:28:10,528 --> 00:28:13,413
Britain remains a bridge between
America and Europe, even though

1272
00:28:13,413 --> 00:28:16,983
it spans have been stretched to
breaking point by the current crisis.

1273
00:28:17,073 --> 00:28:20,613
It should be a matter of pride that we
who share so much in terms of democratic

1274
00:28:20,613 --> 00:28:23,673
ideals with the great English speaking
power across the Atlantic should

1275
00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:23,733
have

1276
00:28:23,733 --> 00:28:23,973
stood

1277
00:28:23,973 --> 00:28:24,423
shoulder

1278
00:28:24,423 --> 00:28:25,203
to shoulder with

1279
00:28:25,203 --> 00:28:25,443
it.

1280
00:28:25,648 --> 00:28:26,372
Genuinely cannot

1281
00:28:26,417 --> 00:28:26,537
tell.

1282
00:28:26,537 --> 00:28:27,227
2026

1283
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:27,347
I'll

1284
00:28:27,347 --> 00:28:27,527
say

1285
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:27,977
nope.

1286
00:28:27,977 --> 00:28:31,277
2003. As the daily telegraph on
why we need to be right in their

1287
00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:32,906
shoulder to shoulder with George W.

1288
00:28:32,906 --> 00:28:37,126
Bush, Britain is left muttering
about due process, nitpicking over

1289
00:28:37,126 --> 00:28:40,636
niceties, proclaiming its loyalty
to a legal, order that others have

1290
00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:42,796
abandoned far from making us look noble.

1291
00:28:42,796 --> 00:28:43,336
It makes us look

1292
00:28:43,351 --> 00:28:44,251
fatuous, shifty

1293
00:28:44,251 --> 00:28:44,371
and

1294
00:28:44,371 --> 00:28:45,001
unreliable.

1295
00:28:46,981 --> 00:28:47,791
2003.

1296
00:28:48,421 --> 00:28:49,111
2026.

1297
00:28:49,291 --> 00:28:49,321
Ah,

1298
00:28:49,681 --> 00:28:50,131
Dan Hanan,

1299
00:28:50,611 --> 00:28:50,971
The man who

1300
00:28:50,971 --> 00:28:54,811
is reliably wrong about everything
in the Sunday Telegraph last weekend.

1301
00:28:55,356 --> 00:28:55,776
One more.

1302
00:28:56,166 --> 00:28:59,466
An abject lesson in making
a laughing stock of Britain.

1303
00:28:59,496 --> 00:29:02,946
The prime minister's slow and inept
response, placed Brit Britons in

1304
00:29:02,946 --> 00:29:06,546
harm's way other Nations acted
rapidly to evacuate their people.

1305
00:29:06,816 --> 00:29:09,876
When it did act, its charter plane broke
down and spent 10 hours on the runway.

1306
00:29:10,086 --> 00:29:13,206
A good thing the foreign office wasn't
in charge on D-Day, the Prime Minister

1307
00:29:13,596 --> 00:29:15,006
was utterly misguided from the start.

1308
00:29:15,186 --> 00:29:17,256
It raises the question, who on earth

1309
00:29:17,271 --> 00:29:17,451
is

1310
00:29:17,645 --> 00:29:18,246
advising him?

1311
00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:19,236
That's gotta

1312
00:29:19,236 --> 00:29:20,526
be 2026.

1313
00:29:20,526 --> 00:29:20,976
Surely the

1314
00:29:21,006 --> 00:29:22,266
Dubai mention Surely

1315
00:29:23,016 --> 00:29:23,316
No,

1316
00:29:23,316 --> 00:29:23,646
that one's

1317
00:29:23,646 --> 00:29:24,546
2011

1318
00:29:24,636 --> 00:29:24,846
after.

1319
00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:25,596
And it's The Daily

1320
00:29:25,596 --> 00:29:25,806
Mail

1321
00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:26,046
talking

1322
00:29:26,046 --> 00:29:26,226
about

1323
00:29:26,226 --> 00:29:26,706
Libya,

1324
00:29:26,796 --> 00:29:26,826
Oh.

1325
00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:27,401
Libya,

1326
00:29:29,197 --> 00:29:29,467
want just

1327
00:29:29,467 --> 00:29:30,344
one bonus question.

1328
00:29:30,608 --> 00:29:34,628
who said last week when commenting on
Donald Trump's justification, one of

1329
00:29:34,628 --> 00:29:37,868
his justifications to the war, Trump
said if we didn't hit within two weeks,

1330
00:29:37,928 --> 00:29:39,428
they would've had a nuclear weapon.

1331
00:29:39,788 --> 00:29:42,038
Who said of that he lies so often

1332
00:29:42,038 --> 00:29:42,188
that

1333
00:29:42,188 --> 00:29:42,278
he

1334
00:29:42,278 --> 00:29:42,548
doesn't

1335
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:42,638
know

1336
00:29:42,638 --> 00:29:42,758
the

1337
00:29:42,758 --> 00:29:43,118
difference

1338
00:29:43,118 --> 00:29:43,598
anymore.

1339
00:29:45,098 --> 00:29:45,278
Is,

1340
00:29:45,278 --> 00:29:45,368
it,

1341
00:29:45,818 --> 00:29:45,828
Is

1342
00:29:45,828 --> 00:29:45,838
it,

1343
00:29:45,838 --> 00:29:46,178
Alistair

1344
00:29:46,178 --> 00:29:46,628
Campbell?

1345
00:29:46,778 --> 00:29:48,098
It is Chemical Alley Campbell.

1346
00:29:48,428 --> 00:29:50,053
It's indeed, yes.

1347
00:29:50,378 --> 00:29:54,248
The man of 45 minute
WMDs dodgy dossier fame.

1348
00:29:54,758 --> 00:29:55,718
So yeah.

1349
00:29:55,868 --> 00:29:55,958
Wow.

1350
00:29:55,958 --> 00:29:56,468
We are not learning

1351
00:29:56,468 --> 00:29:56,618
from

1352
00:29:56,618 --> 00:29:56,978
history.

1353
00:29:56,978 --> 00:29:57,128
We

1354
00:29:57,248 --> 00:29:57,398
can't

1355
00:29:57,398 --> 00:29:57,488
be

1356
00:29:57,488 --> 00:29:57,788
bothered

1357
00:29:57,788 --> 00:29:58,178
anymore.

1358
00:29:59,077 --> 00:30:02,047
can I bring us on to another element
of the British coverage because

1359
00:30:02,047 --> 00:30:04,071
so much of the war has been, about

1360
00:30:04,131 --> 00:30:06,741
energy, what it's gonna
do to oil and gas prices.

1361
00:30:06,981 --> 00:30:07,251
They've

1362
00:30:07,251 --> 00:30:11,451
risen enormously, over the last
week, in particular oil, but

1363
00:30:11,451 --> 00:30:12,801
gas is creeping up as well.

1364
00:30:13,221 --> 00:30:14,421
So a large element

1365
00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:15,771
of this discussion has been,

1366
00:30:15,826 --> 00:30:18,256
what Britain should do
in response to this.

1367
00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:18,556
Can

1368
00:30:18,556 --> 00:30:19,096
anyone

1369
00:30:19,096 --> 00:30:19,696
guess

1370
00:30:19,966 --> 00:30:20,926
the prescription

1371
00:30:20,926 --> 00:30:22,006
that's gone out far

1372
00:30:22,066 --> 00:30:22,576
wide about

1373
00:30:22,576 --> 00:30:22,846
how we

1374
00:30:23,296 --> 00:30:23,686
this?

1375
00:30:24,496 --> 00:30:24,616
Is

1376
00:30:24,616 --> 00:30:24,886
it heat

1377
00:30:24,916 --> 00:30:25,306
pumps?

1378
00:30:25,516 --> 00:30:25,696
It's

1379
00:30:25,696 --> 00:30:25,936
not,

1380
00:30:25,936 --> 00:30:26,206
No.

1381
00:30:26,686 --> 00:30:26,896
Oh, Is

1382
00:30:26,956 --> 00:30:27,046
it

1383
00:30:27,046 --> 00:30:27,166
just

1384
00:30:27,376 --> 00:30:27,796
drive

1385
00:30:27,796 --> 00:30:28,276
less?

1386
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:28,737
it's

1387
00:30:28,737 --> 00:30:29,007
drill,

1388
00:30:29,007 --> 00:30:29,667
baby drill.

1389
00:30:29,667 --> 00:30:29,727
Oh,

1390
00:30:30,207 --> 00:30:30,488
wow.

1391
00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:31,047
The

1392
00:30:31,047 --> 00:30:31,767
reaction has been,

1393
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:33,057
let's

1394
00:30:33,117 --> 00:30:35,787
drill the North Sea, which
no one has thought to do

1395
00:30:35,787 --> 00:30:36,027
over

1396
00:30:36,027 --> 00:30:37,137
the last 50 years.

1397
00:30:37,579 --> 00:30:40,489
one example, Claire Catino,
the conservative shadow energy

1398
00:30:40,489 --> 00:30:42,709
secretary, has been out there saying,

1399
00:30:43,099 --> 00:30:43,264
you know,

1400
00:30:43,819 --> 00:30:44,419
north Sea.

1401
00:30:44,869 --> 00:30:46,519
Ed Miller Band is a dangerous fantasist.

1402
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,349
We need to repeal the
climate Change act and

1403
00:30:48,574 --> 00:30:48,844
get

1404
00:30:48,844 --> 00:30:49,264
cracking.

1405
00:30:49,624 --> 00:30:49,714
to

1406
00:30:49,714 --> 00:30:50,914
be fair, she was saying that

1407
00:30:51,199 --> 00:30:51,709
before

1408
00:30:51,709 --> 00:30:51,829
the

1409
00:30:51,829 --> 00:30:51,949
war

1410
00:30:51,949 --> 00:30:52,099
with

1411
00:30:52,099 --> 00:30:52,399
Round as

1412
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:52,549
well,

1413
00:30:52,579 --> 00:30:52,969
Oh yeah.

1414
00:30:53,209 --> 00:30:54,139
And she was wrong then.

1415
00:30:54,589 --> 00:30:54,829
So

1416
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:56,269
don't you

1417
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:56,569
worry

1418
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:57,379
she's wrong then.

1419
00:30:57,469 --> 00:30:58,099
She's wrong now.

1420
00:30:58,219 --> 00:31:00,559
She's remained consistent,
which I do respect her for.

1421
00:31:00,919 --> 00:31:01,429
So

1422
00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:01,939
I've been

1423
00:31:01,939 --> 00:31:02,209
speaking

1424
00:31:02,209 --> 00:31:02,269
to

1425
00:31:02,749 --> 00:31:02,989
to

1426
00:31:02,989 --> 00:31:06,559
a few people about basically
the reality of this.

1427
00:31:06,619 --> 00:31:07,279
So would it

1428
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:08,059
interest you to have

1429
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:08,569
a,

1430
00:31:08,569 --> 00:31:09,829
little bit of context about this

1431
00:31:09,829 --> 00:31:10,069
whole

1432
00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:10,729
discussion?

1433
00:31:10,879 --> 00:31:11,539
'cause it'll happen

1434
00:31:11,554 --> 00:31:11,944
a lot

1435
00:31:11,944 --> 00:31:12,154
over the

1436
00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:12,364
next

1437
00:31:12,364 --> 00:31:12,544
few

1438
00:31:12,544 --> 00:31:12,904
months.

1439
00:31:13,264 --> 00:31:13,474
Your,

1440
00:31:13,489 --> 00:31:13,729
heat

1441
00:31:13,729 --> 00:31:14,239
pump time

1442
00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:14,359
has

1443
00:31:14,614 --> 00:31:15,004
hasn't It

1444
00:31:15,004 --> 00:31:15,214
really?

1445
00:31:15,214 --> 00:31:15,274
It

1446
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:15,409
certainly

1447
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:16,234
has the Soler panels.

1448
00:31:16,414 --> 00:31:17,734
How's your electric charging and

1449
00:31:17,734 --> 00:31:18,904
your cross pavement charging

1450
00:31:18,904 --> 00:31:19,234
solution

1451
00:31:19,249 --> 00:31:19,639
working out

1452
00:31:19,639 --> 00:31:19,849
for you?

1453
00:31:19,849 --> 00:31:20,299
Tip top,

1454
00:31:20,899 --> 00:31:21,169
yeah.

1455
00:31:21,259 --> 00:31:21,799
The price

1456
00:31:21,859 --> 00:31:24,829
of the sunshine hitting my roof
has not rocketed, tenfold, which is

1457
00:31:24,844 --> 00:31:25,144
nice.

1458
00:31:25,239 --> 00:31:25,459
So

1459
00:31:26,089 --> 00:31:27,409
be smuggler have sunshine

1460
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:27,949
No, I know.

1461
00:31:28,019 --> 00:31:28,179
time.

1462
00:31:29,426 --> 00:31:29,631
the

1463
00:31:29,631 --> 00:31:31,011
way it's been discussed in particular in

1464
00:31:31,011 --> 00:31:32,061
the papers even today is

1465
00:31:32,061 --> 00:31:33,621
that we've got two days of gas supplies

1466
00:31:33,621 --> 00:31:34,251
left in this

1467
00:31:34,251 --> 00:31:34,791
country.

1468
00:31:35,046 --> 00:31:35,256
This

1469
00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:35,421
a

1470
00:31:35,421 --> 00:31:37,146
disaster it's

1471
00:31:37,146 --> 00:31:37,956
absolutely not.

1472
00:31:37,986 --> 00:31:38,616
This is how

1473
00:31:38,766 --> 00:31:41,916
the industry works under
normal circumstances.

1474
00:31:42,366 --> 00:31:42,906
Most of

1475
00:31:42,906 --> 00:31:43,056
our

1476
00:31:43,056 --> 00:31:43,566
gas

1477
00:31:43,866 --> 00:31:46,026
does not come from the Middle East,

1478
00:31:46,236 --> 00:31:46,476
It's about

1479
00:31:46,476 --> 00:31:46,986
10%

1480
00:31:47,616 --> 00:31:48,276
at most.

1481
00:31:48,426 --> 00:31:53,076
Most of it comes from Norway, it comes
from the North Sea, some comes from

1482
00:31:53,076 --> 00:31:53,616
America.

1483
00:31:53,736 --> 00:31:54,816
But we, are not

1484
00:31:54,966 --> 00:31:55,386
reliant

1485
00:31:55,716 --> 00:31:55,986
for

1486
00:31:55,986 --> 00:31:57,126
the actual supply

1487
00:31:57,141 --> 00:31:57,681
of it

1488
00:31:57,846 --> 00:31:58,926
on the Middle East.

1489
00:31:59,436 --> 00:31:59,616
The

1490
00:31:59,616 --> 00:32:01,716
problem is, of course,
it's globally traded.

1491
00:32:01,776 --> 00:32:03,126
It, The price will

1492
00:32:03,186 --> 00:32:04,296
rocket basically

1493
00:32:04,326 --> 00:32:05,886
because of these shortages.

1494
00:32:06,468 --> 00:32:08,658
if this goes on for several
months, there will be

1495
00:32:08,658 --> 00:32:10,518
a concern about how we get

1496
00:32:10,638 --> 00:32:11,478
that last eight

1497
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:11,988
10%

1498
00:32:12,018 --> 00:32:12,558
replaced.

1499
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:13,068
Because

1500
00:32:13,428 --> 00:32:14,958
Britain's really reliant

1501
00:32:14,958 --> 00:32:15,348
on gas.

1502
00:32:15,348 --> 00:32:17,058
We use it for heating a lot of our homes

1503
00:32:17,058 --> 00:32:17,178
in

1504
00:32:17,178 --> 00:32:17,598
a way that,

1505
00:32:18,678 --> 00:32:19,098
most

1506
00:32:19,098 --> 00:32:20,088
other countries don't.

1507
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:21,460
that is potentially

1508
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:21,850
a problem there.

1509
00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:22,180
But that's,

1510
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:22,630
if this last

1511
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:23,290
several months, the

1512
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:26,020
actual supply of it in terms of

1513
00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:27,040
how

1514
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:27,940
the North Sea might change

1515
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:28,960
the prices,

1516
00:32:29,635 --> 00:32:29,875
it's

1517
00:32:30,265 --> 00:32:30,655
almost

1518
00:32:30,655 --> 00:32:31,885
completely irrelevant.

1519
00:32:32,185 --> 00:32:32,845
That's the thing.

1520
00:32:32,905 --> 00:32:33,115
So

1521
00:32:33,355 --> 00:32:34,735
people say, anyone who says to you,

1522
00:32:34,945 --> 00:32:35,245
we

1523
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:35,395
should

1524
00:32:35,395 --> 00:32:35,605
drill

1525
00:32:35,605 --> 00:32:35,935
the North

1526
00:32:35,935 --> 00:32:36,355
Sea,

1527
00:32:37,510 --> 00:32:37,660
it,

1528
00:32:37,765 --> 00:32:38,845
equivalent to.

1529
00:32:39,295 --> 00:32:41,485
your Heroin dealer has
raised prices a great deal.

1530
00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:41,980
Should you

1531
00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:42,550
growing your

1532
00:32:42,565 --> 00:32:43,195
own poppies?

1533
00:32:44,065 --> 00:32:44,215
The

1534
00:32:44,215 --> 00:32:44,995
answer is to get off

1535
00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:45,400
heroin

1536
00:32:45,625 --> 00:32:46,375
rather than

1537
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:46,990
So is that because

1538
00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:48,955
it would now cost a
huge amount to extract.

1539
00:32:49,855 --> 00:32:50,095
What's

1540
00:32:50,095 --> 00:32:50,665
still there.

1541
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:51,430
It's,

1542
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:51,820
gone

1543
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:51,850
or

1544
00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:52,300
isn't there

1545
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:54,430
it is a really what they

1546
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:54,640
call a

1547
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,720
mature basin.

1548
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:59,080
Claire continue has been saying,
oh, Norway has been finding

1549
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,560
a lot.

1550
00:32:59,830 --> 00:33:02,140
The, amounts they've been
finding are up practically

1551
00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:02,290
in the

1552
00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:03,130
Arctic Circle.

1553
00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:04,060
What

1554
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:05,110
is left on the UK

1555
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:06,130
Shelf?

1556
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:07,420
It, is pretty

1557
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:07,780
well done.

1558
00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:08,080
It does.

1559
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:08,410
And do

1560
00:33:08,410 --> 00:33:08,770
we not

1561
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:09,400
own the

1562
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,820
Arctic

1563
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:10,330
Circle?

1564
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:11,230
Afraid not.

1565
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:11,620
No.

1566
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:11,920
not

1567
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,370
anymore.

1568
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:12,700
it?

1569
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:14,950
Seriously.

1570
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:15,580
honest.

1571
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:17,470
if I was writing

1572
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:17,800
a,

1573
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,630
leader in a popular paper now

1574
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:20,050
I

1575
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:21,400
would say in another

1576
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:23,140
blow to Stama, we failed to

1577
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:23,320
invade

1578
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:23,620
the

1579
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:24,280
Arctic

1580
00:33:24,295 --> 00:33:24,715
quick.

1581
00:33:24,865 --> 00:33:25,645
Donald Trump's looking

1582
00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:26,350
in another direction.

1583
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:26,800
Let's take

1584
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,220
Greenland.

1585
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:27,790
Yeah.

1586
00:33:29,015 --> 00:33:29,235
so

1587
00:33:29,531 --> 00:33:29,877
the

1588
00:33:30,102 --> 00:33:31,992
thing is, Adam, you've been
talking about short memories.

1589
00:33:32,022 --> 00:33:32,502
We have been

1590
00:33:32,502 --> 00:33:33,672
through something very, similar

1591
00:33:33,672 --> 00:33:33,852
four

1592
00:33:33,852 --> 00:33:34,302
years ago,

1593
00:33:34,722 --> 00:33:35,892
Russia invades Ukraine.

1594
00:33:35,922 --> 00:33:36,012
Yep.

1595
00:33:36,402 --> 00:33:37,992
Prices spiked enormously.

1596
00:33:38,322 --> 00:33:39,522
Attempts were made then

1597
00:33:39,522 --> 00:33:40,782
to increase the supply of

1598
00:33:40,782 --> 00:33:42,042
gas and bring it down.

1599
00:33:42,492 --> 00:33:44,112
Prices still went up 15 fold.

1600
00:33:44,562 --> 00:33:44,742
So

1601
00:33:45,252 --> 00:33:46,932
you, cannot north see your way outta this.

1602
00:33:47,013 --> 00:33:47,193
so

1603
00:33:47,193 --> 00:33:47,403
what

1604
00:33:47,403 --> 00:33:47,883
can we

1605
00:33:47,883 --> 00:33:48,183
do?

1606
00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:49,813
the government has a lot of

1607
00:33:50,073 --> 00:33:51,003
opportunities

1608
00:33:51,003 --> 00:33:51,693
to say

1609
00:33:52,083 --> 00:33:52,533
this

1610
00:33:52,533 --> 00:33:52,773
is a

1611
00:33:53,373 --> 00:33:54,153
crisis.

1612
00:33:54,813 --> 00:33:56,013
you look at countries like Spain, which

1613
00:33:56,013 --> 00:33:57,843
have hugely increased their renewable

1614
00:33:57,843 --> 00:33:58,503
capacity.

1615
00:33:58,563 --> 00:34:01,263
They haven't been affected
by quite the same, spike in

1616
00:34:01,263 --> 00:34:01,683
prices.

1617
00:34:01,683 --> 00:34:04,893
So the government can make a lot of
sort of quick decisions to signal,

1618
00:34:05,193 --> 00:34:06,153
whether that's we

1619
00:34:06,153 --> 00:34:08,883
need to electrify our home heating,
we need to electrify our transport.

1620
00:34:09,183 --> 00:34:10,113
These are things

1621
00:34:10,113 --> 00:34:10,383
we can

1622
00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:11,583
do with domestic supply.

1623
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:12,580
countries

1624
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,050
mostly have this thing of, have you heard

1625
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:14,230
of the

1626
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:15,190
energy trimmer?

1627
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:16,210
No.

1628
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:16,450
that's such

1629
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:16,480
a

1630
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:16,810
great

1631
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:17,380
phrase, we're

1632
00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:17,620
about to

1633
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:18,310
I'm afraid

1634
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:18,430
you

1635
00:34:18,430 --> 00:34:19,270
are good.

1636
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:21,530
There are three things you've got to
choose between when you're getting

1637
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:22,340
your energy supply.

1638
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:23,210
You want it to be cheap.

1639
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:24,859
you want it to be secure

1640
00:34:25,219 --> 00:34:26,749
and ideally you'd

1641
00:34:26,749 --> 00:34:26,899
like

1642
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:27,049
it to

1643
00:34:27,049 --> 00:34:27,169
be

1644
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:27,319
low

1645
00:34:27,319 --> 00:34:27,679
carbon.

1646
00:34:28,309 --> 00:34:28,489
But

1647
00:34:28,489 --> 00:34:29,449
loads and loads of countries

1648
00:34:29,449 --> 00:34:33,852
have said, look, we've got cheap and
pretty secure, fossil, so we're not

1649
00:34:33,852 --> 00:34:34,092
so

1650
00:34:34,107 --> 00:34:34,347
fussed

1651
00:34:34,347 --> 00:34:34,617
about it

1652
00:34:34,617 --> 00:34:35,247
being low carbon.

1653
00:34:35,322 --> 00:34:35,382
Yeah.

1654
00:34:36,003 --> 00:34:36,153
In

1655
00:34:36,153 --> 00:34:36,183
a

1656
00:34:36,198 --> 00:34:36,468
world

1657
00:34:36,468 --> 00:34:36,558
in

1658
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:37,008
which

1659
00:34:37,953 --> 00:34:38,283
These

1660
00:34:38,283 --> 00:34:38,493
things

1661
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:39,033
are no longer

1662
00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:39,573
cheap or

1663
00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:40,233
secure,

1664
00:34:40,356 --> 00:34:40,536
and

1665
00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:42,546
where China is waiting
saying, would you like

1666
00:34:42,546 --> 00:34:43,056
some batteries

1667
00:34:43,056 --> 00:34:43,926
and Soler panels?

1668
00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:46,296
That really changes the discussion.

1669
00:34:46,506 --> 00:34:48,756
And what's gonna happen, I think,
globally is that lots of countries

1670
00:34:48,756 --> 00:34:50,436
will scramble for extra supplies

1671
00:34:50,826 --> 00:34:51,096
and

1672
00:34:51,126 --> 00:34:52,026
many will get them.

1673
00:34:52,206 --> 00:34:53,436
Countries which have a bit less money

1674
00:34:53,766 --> 00:34:54,276
to, spend

1675
00:34:54,546 --> 00:34:54,876
won't.

1676
00:34:55,376 --> 00:34:55,886
This is places

1677
00:34:55,886 --> 00:34:56,606
like Pakistan,

1678
00:34:57,026 --> 00:34:59,126
which don't have abundant
natural resources.

1679
00:34:59,246 --> 00:35:00,446
And when Russia invaded

1680
00:35:00,446 --> 00:35:01,436
Ukraine and,

1681
00:35:01,886 --> 00:35:02,156
gas

1682
00:35:02,156 --> 00:35:02,846
prices spiked

1683
00:35:02,846 --> 00:35:03,326
enormously.

1684
00:35:04,014 --> 00:35:05,360
Pakistan was absolutely left

1685
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:05,900
in the lurch.

1686
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:06,680
What that

1687
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,230
led to two years later is
Pakistan importing an enormous

1688
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:10,340
number of Soler panels.

1689
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,540
And in fact this year

1690
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:12,530
they've canceled lots

1691
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:13,730
of gas shipments.

1692
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,310
'cause they said, we just
can't take on that much gas.

1693
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:18,440
We don't need it anymore because China

1694
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,220
was there waiting

1695
00:35:19,264 --> 00:35:19,384
to

1696
00:35:19,384 --> 00:35:20,074
provide supply.

1697
00:35:20,074 --> 00:35:20,524
So

1698
00:35:20,974 --> 00:35:21,184
this

1699
00:35:21,184 --> 00:35:22,894
was all very different
in the oil price shock,

1700
00:35:23,284 --> 00:35:23,914
nearly 50

1701
00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:24,364
years ago.

1702
00:35:24,364 --> 00:35:26,674
It's, there are now alternatives

1703
00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:27,184
which,

1704
00:35:28,049 --> 00:35:28,649
superpower

1705
00:35:28,949 --> 00:35:29,099
is

1706
00:35:29,099 --> 00:35:29,519
hoping to

1707
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:29,939
supply.

1708
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,419
That's

1709
00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:32,549
so interesting to me because
again, I think there's a difference

1710
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:34,289
between some of the legacy media

1711
00:35:34,289 --> 00:35:34,949
treatment of it, which

1712
00:35:34,949 --> 00:35:39,359
is that net zero is a ridiculous thing
and super silly and whatever, and the

1713
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:40,529
reform belief, it should still be rolled

1714
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:41,519
back versus

1715
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,159
the view of lots of other people
around the world that this is

1716
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:44,939
coming to an end like

1717
00:35:44,939 --> 00:35:45,149
this.

1718
00:35:45,209 --> 00:35:46,079
The era of fossil fuels

1719
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,039
is coming to an end

1720
00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:48,044
and

1721
00:35:48,044 --> 00:35:49,634
not least among Saudi Arabia,

1722
00:35:49,634 --> 00:35:50,144
the producer

1723
00:35:50,144 --> 00:35:50,234
of

1724
00:35:50,234 --> 00:35:51,584
an enormous amount of them, right, where

1725
00:35:51,644 --> 00:35:52,514
you'll hear the Crown

1726
00:35:52,514 --> 00:35:53,774
Prince talk about how he's got

1727
00:35:53,774 --> 00:35:53,864
to

1728
00:35:54,074 --> 00:35:54,704
find something

1729
00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:55,994
else for the country to do

1730
00:35:56,204 --> 00:35:56,354
in

1731
00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:56,414
a

1732
00:35:56,414 --> 00:35:57,554
post fossils fuel future.

1733
00:35:57,834 --> 00:35:58,854
Another example, Cuba,

1734
00:35:58,854 --> 00:36:00,534
which might be next on the invasion

1735
00:36:00,534 --> 00:36:00,744
list.

1736
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:00,864
It's

1737
00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:01,284
certainly been

1738
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,114
blockaded for, America's

1739
00:36:03,114 --> 00:36:03,564
just turned

1740
00:36:03,564 --> 00:36:04,374
off the oil taps,

1741
00:36:04,854 --> 00:36:05,364
Cuba's now

1742
00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:06,054
importing a lot

1743
00:36:06,054 --> 00:36:07,914
of Chinese Soler panels in an attempt.

1744
00:36:08,154 --> 00:36:09,114
they're really struggling,

1745
00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:09,984
planes are struggling

1746
00:36:09,984 --> 00:36:10,914
to refuel in Cuba.

1747
00:36:11,214 --> 00:36:12,324
They want to keep the lights on.

1748
00:36:12,424 --> 00:36:12,694
The one

1749
00:36:12,694 --> 00:36:15,248
downside is that lots of, big
renewable projects take a lot

1750
00:36:15,248 --> 00:36:16,328
of upfront investment and if

1751
00:36:16,358 --> 00:36:17,438
inflation is

1752
00:36:17,438 --> 00:36:18,218
very high, then

1753
00:36:18,218 --> 00:36:19,298
an interest rate is very

1754
00:36:19,298 --> 00:36:19,508
high.

1755
00:36:19,838 --> 00:36:20,018
It's

1756
00:36:20,018 --> 00:36:20,288
harder

1757
00:36:20,288 --> 00:36:20,408
to

1758
00:36:20,408 --> 00:36:20,858
fund them.

1759
00:36:21,518 --> 00:36:21,698
But

1760
00:36:21,698 --> 00:36:24,188
in the long run, oil suppliers don't want

1761
00:36:24,638 --> 00:36:25,328
their stuff to

1762
00:36:25,328 --> 00:36:26,438
be inaccessible

1763
00:36:26,438 --> 00:36:27,308
to lots of people.

1764
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:28,478
They'd like the price kept

1765
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:28,568
at

1766
00:36:28,568 --> 00:36:28,628
a

1767
00:36:28,628 --> 00:36:29,018
reasonable

1768
00:36:29,018 --> 00:36:29,318
level where

1769
00:36:29,318 --> 00:36:30,248
they make a lot of money

1770
00:36:31,388 --> 00:36:31,568
and,

1771
00:36:31,568 --> 00:36:31,838
people

1772
00:36:31,838 --> 00:36:33,488
can afford to actually buy it and they're

1773
00:36:33,488 --> 00:36:34,058
not desperately

1774
00:36:34,058 --> 00:36:34,568
casting around

1775
00:36:34,568 --> 00:36:34,658
for

1776
00:36:34,658 --> 00:36:35,288
alternatives.

1777
00:36:35,643 --> 00:36:36,783
And I think old Sparky

1778
00:36:36,783 --> 00:36:36,933
will

1779
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:37,743
be returning

1780
00:36:38,343 --> 00:36:39,093
to this theme

1781
00:36:39,873 --> 00:36:40,083
in,

1782
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:40,203
the

1783
00:36:40,203 --> 00:36:40,743
magazine.

1784
00:36:43,155 --> 00:36:43,875
Ian, I presume

1785
00:36:43,875 --> 00:36:45,345
that when this issue went

1786
00:36:45,345 --> 00:36:46,245
to press, you were thinking it

1787
00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:46,515
would have

1788
00:36:46,515 --> 00:36:47,445
something about the Gordon

1789
00:36:47,475 --> 00:36:47,565
and

1790
00:36:47,565 --> 00:36:47,925
Denton

1791
00:36:48,045 --> 00:36:48,465
by-election

1792
00:36:48,465 --> 00:36:48,645
on the

1793
00:36:48,645 --> 00:36:49,005
front.

1794
00:36:49,755 --> 00:36:49,875
I

1795
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:50,205
did.

1796
00:36:50,205 --> 00:36:50,535
I had a

1797
00:36:50,535 --> 00:36:55,065
particularly fine joke about, the plumber
winning a by election, and I could, put

1798
00:36:55,065 --> 00:36:58,215
the joke, the system is broken, on Then

1799
00:36:58,215 --> 00:36:58,515
I thought,

1800
00:36:59,090 --> 00:36:59,380
that,

1801
00:36:59,385 --> 00:36:59,625
that,

1802
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:00,105
would do

1803
00:37:00,105 --> 00:37:00,255
for

1804
00:37:00,255 --> 00:37:00,855
the front

1805
00:37:01,365 --> 00:37:01,665
by

1806
00:37:01,665 --> 00:37:02,235
Monday.

1807
00:37:02,355 --> 00:37:02,655
Yeah.

1808
00:37:03,825 --> 00:37:06,345
it didn't feel like it was the
biggest story in the world, which is

1809
00:37:06,345 --> 00:37:10,733
a great shame, because it was really
interesting, not I think, in ways

1810
00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:12,173
that a lot of the press covered it.

1811
00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:12,646
this

1812
00:37:12,646 --> 00:37:12,766
is

1813
00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:13,306
extraordinary.

1814
00:37:13,306 --> 00:37:13,606
Nothing

1815
00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:13,786
like

1816
00:37:13,786 --> 00:37:13,966
this

1817
00:37:13,966 --> 00:37:14,086
has

1818
00:37:14,086 --> 00:37:14,236
ever

1819
00:37:14,236 --> 00:37:15,016
happened before,

1820
00:37:15,526 --> 00:37:20,851
which again, it has quite frequently,
that is what happens in by elections.

1821
00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:22,621
And George Galloway must have been sitting

1822
00:37:22,636 --> 00:37:22,786
there

1823
00:37:22,786 --> 00:37:23,176
thinking.

1824
00:37:23,941 --> 00:37:24,151
what do

1825
00:37:24,151 --> 00:37:24,211
you

1826
00:37:24,211 --> 00:37:24,451
mean?

1827
00:37:25,051 --> 00:37:27,811
I've, done exactly this at least twice.

1828
00:37:27,901 --> 00:37:30,901
How dare anyone say this is
a new tactic by the Greens?

1829
00:37:32,221 --> 00:37:32,431
I've

1830
00:37:32,431 --> 00:37:32,851
set up

1831
00:37:32,941 --> 00:37:33,841
new parties,

1832
00:37:34,651 --> 00:37:34,771
I've

1833
00:37:34,771 --> 00:37:35,131
gone for

1834
00:37:35,131 --> 00:37:36,301
this vote, I've won.

1835
00:37:36,481 --> 00:37:36,781
So

1836
00:37:37,033 --> 00:37:37,933
there was a sort of,

1837
00:37:38,777 --> 00:37:39,437
feeling that

1838
00:37:39,677 --> 00:37:39,857
the

1839
00:37:39,857 --> 00:37:42,953
story had been somewhat missed
but we didn't really have

1840
00:37:42,953 --> 00:37:44,213
time to go into it enough.

1841
00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:44,513
So

1842
00:37:44,513 --> 00:37:44,573
I

1843
00:37:44,573 --> 00:37:44,723
think

1844
00:37:44,723 --> 00:37:44,843
we

1845
00:37:44,843 --> 00:37:45,083
could

1846
00:37:45,743 --> 00:37:45,953
have

1847
00:37:45,953 --> 00:37:46,013
a

1848
00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:46,253
quick

1849
00:37:46,253 --> 00:37:46,463
look

1850
00:37:46,463 --> 00:37:46,793
now.

1851
00:37:46,853 --> 00:37:47,333
Yeah.

1852
00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,853
And, this is really the
short memory episode, isn't

1853
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:49,943
it?

1854
00:37:49,943 --> 00:37:50,333
We got a lot

1855
00:37:50,333 --> 00:37:51,263
of short memories all over

1856
00:37:51,263 --> 00:37:51,593
the place.

1857
00:37:51,593 --> 00:37:51,983
So black

1858
00:37:51,983 --> 00:37:53,963
back to 2003, 2022,

1859
00:37:54,023 --> 00:37:54,263
and

1860
00:37:54,263 --> 00:37:54,623
now

1861
00:37:55,988 --> 00:37:56,278
does

1862
00:37:56,363 --> 00:37:56,738
George

1863
00:37:56,738 --> 00:37:57,713
Galloway week

1864
00:37:57,713 --> 00:37:57,893
before

1865
00:37:57,893 --> 00:37:57,903
last.

1866
00:37:57,903 --> 00:37:57,913
week.

1867
00:37:57,913 --> 00:37:57,923
Before

1868
00:37:57,923 --> 00:37:58,223
last,

1869
00:37:58,223 --> 00:37:58,283
yeah.

1870
00:37:58,283 --> 00:37:58,523
Yeah.

1871
00:37:58,823 --> 00:37:59,723
So I

1872
00:37:59,723 --> 00:38:00,053
suppose the

1873
00:38:00,053 --> 00:38:00,353
question it

1874
00:38:00,353 --> 00:38:00,743
brings is,

1875
00:38:00,923 --> 00:38:01,133
Star

1876
00:38:01,133 --> 00:38:01,223
by

1877
00:38:01,223 --> 00:38:01,673
screwed?

1878
00:38:01,843 --> 00:38:02,053
this

1879
00:38:02,053 --> 00:38:02,773
is a seat with a

1880
00:38:02,833 --> 00:38:03,553
re pretty

1881
00:38:03,553 --> 00:38:04,723
big Labour majority

1882
00:38:04,723 --> 00:38:05,113
that's just

1883
00:38:05,113 --> 00:38:06,043
been completely overturned

1884
00:38:06,043 --> 00:38:06,553
by the Greens

1885
00:38:06,703 --> 00:38:09,103
with a very charismatic
local candidate who,

1886
00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:10,573
was a very

1887
00:38:10,573 --> 00:38:14,503
winning plumber who kept doing a
plastering course throughout the campaign.

1888
00:38:14,503 --> 00:38:14,863
Because,

1889
00:38:15,103 --> 00:38:15,223
you

1890
00:38:15,223 --> 00:38:15,913
know what, if she didn't

1891
00:38:15,913 --> 00:38:16,513
win the election, it

1892
00:38:16,513 --> 00:38:17,593
just, that

1893
00:38:17,833 --> 00:38:19,483
she was clearly very popular and liked

1894
00:38:19,498 --> 00:38:20,248
and the message was

1895
00:38:20,728 --> 00:38:20,938
quite

1896
00:38:20,938 --> 00:38:21,298
convincing

1897
00:38:21,298 --> 00:38:22,888
at, and she was up
against Matt Goodwin, who

1898
00:38:22,888 --> 00:38:23,158
clearly

1899
00:38:23,173 --> 00:38:23,443
wasn't

1900
00:38:23,443 --> 00:38:23,653
very

1901
00:38:23,658 --> 00:38:24,718
popular Yes, very

1902
00:38:25,093 --> 00:38:25,243
well we

1903
00:38:25,243 --> 00:38:26,923
should say for non-New junkies

1904
00:38:26,923 --> 00:38:27,013
who

1905
00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:27,163
Matt

1906
00:38:27,163 --> 00:38:27,523
Goodwin is

1907
00:38:27,538 --> 00:38:27,838
as well.

1908
00:38:27,902 --> 00:38:28,112
he's

1909
00:38:28,142 --> 00:38:28,232
a

1910
00:38:28,232 --> 00:38:28,502
man

1911
00:38:28,502 --> 00:38:29,912
with an unfortunate surname when he

1912
00:38:29,927 --> 00:38:31,277
then goes and loses elections

1913
00:38:31,277 --> 00:38:31,577
who takes

1914
00:38:31,577 --> 00:38:31,667
it

1915
00:38:31,667 --> 00:38:31,847
very

1916
00:38:31,847 --> 00:38:32,237
badly.

1917
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:32,807
He

1918
00:38:32,807 --> 00:38:32,897
was

1919
00:38:32,897 --> 00:38:33,317
both a reform

1920
00:38:33,317 --> 00:38:35,987
candidate and I think probably
at the time of, recording

1921
00:38:35,987 --> 00:38:37,547
the UK's most popular political

1922
00:38:37,547 --> 00:38:38,117
substack.

1923
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:38,689
But

1924
00:38:38,689 --> 00:38:38,839
that's

1925
00:38:38,839 --> 00:38:38,989
only

1926
00:38:39,004 --> 00:38:40,024
because Hannah Spencer MP

1927
00:38:40,024 --> 00:38:40,264
doesn't

1928
00:38:40,264 --> 00:38:40,384
have

1929
00:38:40,384 --> 00:38:40,444
a

1930
00:38:40,444 --> 00:38:41,194
substack I presume.

1931
00:38:41,284 --> 00:38:41,524
No.

1932
00:38:42,004 --> 00:38:43,504
she, was, I mean she was brilliant

1933
00:38:43,504 --> 00:38:45,034
on social media and I think that,

1934
00:38:45,604 --> 00:38:46,234
the, Green Party

1935
00:38:46,234 --> 00:38:47,584
generally under Zach Polanski has

1936
00:38:47,584 --> 00:38:48,544
incredibly opted

1937
00:38:48,544 --> 00:38:49,054
its game.

1938
00:38:49,474 --> 00:38:49,924
and I think you're

1939
00:38:49,924 --> 00:38:50,284
right,

1940
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:50,569
Ian.

1941
00:38:50,614 --> 00:38:51,154
The reason that I

1942
00:38:51,154 --> 00:38:53,104
think people panicked and
freaked out it, particularly

1943
00:38:53,104 --> 00:38:55,624
on the right, was they
thought if there are

1944
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:56,224
angry

1945
00:38:56,224 --> 00:38:56,614
voters

1946
00:38:56,614 --> 00:38:57,484
who are rebelling against

1947
00:38:57,484 --> 00:38:59,424
the system and the
establishment IE Labour,

1948
00:38:59,794 --> 00:39:01,354
then the repository for those votes

1949
00:39:01,354 --> 00:39:01,474
is

1950
00:39:01,474 --> 00:39:02,044
reform.

1951
00:39:02,284 --> 00:39:03,334
And then it turns out, actually

1952
00:39:03,334 --> 00:39:03,964
no, there's a left

1953
00:39:03,964 --> 00:39:04,864
wing version of that.

1954
00:39:04,864 --> 00:39:05,044
And then

1955
00:39:05,044 --> 00:39:05,644
people, if they

1956
00:39:05,704 --> 00:39:06,244
are angry

1957
00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:09,094
with Labour and still aren't willing
to give the conservatives a look,

1958
00:39:09,304 --> 00:39:09,544
there's

1959
00:39:09,544 --> 00:39:09,844
another

1960
00:39:09,844 --> 00:39:11,104
party out there with just

1961
00:39:11,104 --> 00:39:12,214
a very, different

1962
00:39:12,214 --> 00:39:12,634
set of

1963
00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:13,084
political

1964
00:39:13,084 --> 00:39:14,014
priorities that

1965
00:39:14,014 --> 00:39:14,344
they might

1966
00:39:14,344 --> 00:39:14,674
also

1967
00:39:14,674 --> 00:39:14,854
go

1968
00:39:14,854 --> 00:39:15,004
to.

1969
00:39:15,197 --> 00:39:18,647
cause I remember sitting, with you guys
recording a podcast about a year ago

1970
00:39:19,007 --> 00:39:22,727
and saying, my feeling was that there
are as many people out there who are as

1971
00:39:22,967 --> 00:39:26,537
repulsed by Nigel Farage and Reform and
will do anything to keep them out as

1972
00:39:26,537 --> 00:39:29,057
there are people who are going for the
message that he's peddling out there.

1973
00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:33,197
And I think this election has proved
that in a way it was in a lot of cases.

1974
00:39:33,797 --> 00:39:36,557
I'm not, yes, the greens are
doing fantastically well.

1975
00:39:36,557 --> 00:39:38,537
They're very appealing in terms of
the social media stuff and all the

1976
00:39:38,537 --> 00:39:39,647
stuff they're doing under Zach Lansky.

1977
00:39:39,917 --> 00:39:43,187
But I think a lot of people would,
the dilemma for them in Gorton and

1978
00:39:43,187 --> 00:39:47,362
Denton was finding which candidate
was most likely to keep, reform out.

1979
00:39:47,367 --> 00:39:50,927
And I think that's probably gonna
be where the battleground is now in.

1980
00:39:51,332 --> 00:39:55,022
The ne next few coming by elections and,
in the next general election it's gonna

1981
00:39:55,022 --> 00:39:57,272
be a case of reform versus whoever,

1982
00:39:57,302 --> 00:39:58,442
whoever is most likely to keep

1983
00:39:58,442 --> 00:39:58,772
reform

1984
00:39:58,772 --> 00:39:58,892
out.

1985
00:39:58,892 --> 00:39:58,982
Would

1986
00:39:59,072 --> 00:39:59,132
you

1987
00:39:59,132 --> 00:39:59,342
agree

1988
00:39:59,342 --> 00:39:59,462
with

1989
00:39:59,462 --> 00:39:59,612
that?

1990
00:39:59,732 --> 00:40:00,422
There was a very telling

1991
00:40:00,422 --> 00:40:01,562
instance, so Rob Ford, who's

1992
00:40:01,562 --> 00:40:02,612
the professor of politics

1993
00:40:02,612 --> 00:40:03,842
at University of Manchester, did a

1994
00:40:03,962 --> 00:40:04,442
blog

1995
00:40:04,442 --> 00:40:07,382
that ran through all the different options
and he said, there's a part of Victory

1996
00:40:07,382 --> 00:40:08,732
for the Greens, but they need to be the

1997
00:40:08,732 --> 00:40:09,722
alternative to reform.

1998
00:40:09,932 --> 00:40:10,202
And

1999
00:40:10,202 --> 00:40:10,982
sure enough, this got

2000
00:40:10,982 --> 00:40:13,532
slapped all over their leaflets
with if you don't want reform,

2001
00:40:13,532 --> 00:40:13,742
vote

2002
00:40:13,742 --> 00:40:15,062
Green says politic.

2003
00:40:15,062 --> 00:40:17,372
And he complained and said,
that's actually not what I said.

2004
00:40:17,672 --> 00:40:17,912
But it

2005
00:40:17,912 --> 00:40:20,252
was a classic version
of, most of us who are

2006
00:40:20,252 --> 00:40:21,572
politics nerds will know the concept

2007
00:40:21,572 --> 00:40:22,412
of the Lib Dem bar

2008
00:40:22,412 --> 00:40:22,832
chart.

2009
00:40:22,832 --> 00:40:23,042
Right.

2010
00:40:23,042 --> 00:40:23,252
Which

2011
00:40:23,252 --> 00:40:24,572
is mysteriously like,

2012
00:40:24,692 --> 00:40:25,952
Lib Dems can win here.

2013
00:40:25,952 --> 00:40:26,672
And you find out that the

2014
00:40:26,732 --> 00:40:28,922
axis has been massively manipulated.

2015
00:40:29,222 --> 00:40:30,812
But that's exactly, you're right, Adam,

2016
00:40:30,962 --> 00:40:32,612
is that it became a reform versus

2017
00:40:32,612 --> 00:40:33,362
not reform.

2018
00:40:33,452 --> 00:40:33,902
fight.

2019
00:40:34,442 --> 00:40:35,822
And the interesting thing is that lesson

2020
00:40:35,822 --> 00:40:37,922
is that could be a very
effective way of doing politics.

2021
00:40:37,922 --> 00:40:39,212
The 2025 election

2022
00:40:39,212 --> 00:40:42,332
was a Torries versus not the Torries and

2023
00:40:42,392 --> 00:40:42,992
voters

2024
00:40:42,992 --> 00:40:43,772
were very good

2025
00:40:43,772 --> 00:40:43,862
at

2026
00:40:43,862 --> 00:40:45,122
tactical voting and sorting

2027
00:40:45,122 --> 00:40:45,602
themselves.

2028
00:40:45,662 --> 00:40:46,172
Are you in

2029
00:40:46,172 --> 00:40:46,652
a seat

2030
00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:47,222
where

2031
00:40:47,222 --> 00:40:47,492
actually

2032
00:40:47,492 --> 00:40:49,112
the Lib Dems are the
best challenges to the

2033
00:40:49,112 --> 00:40:49,412
Torries?

2034
00:40:49,592 --> 00:40:50,132
when there's maybe

2035
00:40:50,822 --> 00:40:52,262
West of England seats, is

2036
00:40:52,262 --> 00:40:53,212
it, is it, gonna

2037
00:40:53,212 --> 00:40:53,912
be Labour the best

2038
00:40:53,912 --> 00:40:55,952
place to get the Tories out
or is it gonna be reform?

2039
00:40:56,192 --> 00:40:56,402
And

2040
00:40:56,402 --> 00:40:57,872
something similar happened here?

2041
00:40:58,142 --> 00:40:58,742
And if you look

2042
00:40:58,742 --> 00:40:59,042
at all the,

2043
00:40:59,172 --> 00:40:59,652
the polling

2044
00:40:59,652 --> 00:41:00,582
on issues reform

2045
00:41:00,582 --> 00:41:02,922
voters are very distinct
from everyone else.

2046
00:41:02,922 --> 00:41:03,252
They don't

2047
00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:06,882
have a lot of overlap on social,
issues with other people.

2048
00:41:06,882 --> 00:41:08,202
They're in their own kind of block.

2049
00:41:08,562 --> 00:41:11,772
So there is a kind of left block
that people can move through.

2050
00:41:11,772 --> 00:41:13,752
And people who were Labour voters

2051
00:41:13,752 --> 00:41:14,562
in 2025

2052
00:41:14,562 --> 00:41:14,772
are not

2053
00:41:14,772 --> 00:41:16,422
gonna find it particularly
hard to end up as green

2054
00:41:16,422 --> 00:41:16,962
voters.

2055
00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:20,502
Whereas it's gonna be harder for those

2056
00:41:20,622 --> 00:41:21,312
reform

2057
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:22,602
to capture any extra

2058
00:41:22,602 --> 00:41:23,142
people.

2059
00:41:23,592 --> 00:41:26,622
They've, they can cannibalize the
conservative vote, but some of the people

2060
00:41:26,622 --> 00:41:26,742
who

2061
00:41:26,742 --> 00:41:27,252
are now

2062
00:41:27,432 --> 00:41:30,012
still voting conservative are unlikely.

2063
00:41:30,222 --> 00:41:30,672
they're more

2064
00:41:30,672 --> 00:41:33,972
likely to be, perhaps, more
likely to be socially liberal

2065
00:41:34,182 --> 00:41:34,782
or

2066
00:41:34,902 --> 00:41:36,762
don't believe in like the
triple lock or whatever it

2067
00:41:36,762 --> 00:41:37,182
might be.

2068
00:41:37,422 --> 00:41:38,712
Which then makes it very hard

2069
00:41:38,712 --> 00:41:41,052
for them to be eaten by reform.

2070
00:41:41,502 --> 00:41:42,012
So that the

2071
00:41:42,012 --> 00:41:42,402
thing that

2072
00:41:42,402 --> 00:41:43,482
political scientists say

2073
00:41:43,482 --> 00:41:43,962
that they think

2074
00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:46,482
about reform is that they probably
have a, they have a kind of

2075
00:41:46,482 --> 00:41:48,372
high floor, but a low ceiling.

2076
00:41:49,197 --> 00:41:49,467
in the

2077
00:41:49,467 --> 00:41:53,472
sense of actually when it comes
to it, the next section will be

2078
00:41:53,472 --> 00:41:54,462
about whether or not Labour can

2079
00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:55,362
squeeze.

2080
00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:55,632
How

2081
00:41:55,632 --> 00:41:55,962
hard

2082
00:41:55,962 --> 00:41:56,112
can

2083
00:41:56,112 --> 00:41:56,922
they can squeeze

2084
00:41:57,102 --> 00:41:57,222
them.

2085
00:41:57,522 --> 00:41:58,332
Any estate agent will

2086
00:41:58,332 --> 00:41:58,812
tell you having

2087
00:41:58,812 --> 00:41:59,532
a high floor and

2088
00:41:59,532 --> 00:41:59,592
a

2089
00:41:59,592 --> 00:42:00,012
low ceiling

2090
00:42:00,012 --> 00:42:00,102
is,

2091
00:42:00,102 --> 00:42:00,372
is

2092
00:42:00,447 --> 00:42:01,632
is very bad

2093
00:42:01,632 --> 00:42:01,992
If you're six

2094
00:42:01,992 --> 00:42:02,382
foot three.

2095
00:42:02,382 --> 00:42:02,832
Definitely.

2096
00:42:02,832 --> 00:42:03,192
Yeah.

2097
00:42:03,192 --> 00:42:03,522
estate

2098
00:42:03,582 --> 00:42:03,972
agent would

2099
00:42:03,972 --> 00:42:04,212
say

2100
00:42:04,452 --> 00:42:05,467
it's a,

2101
00:42:05,592 --> 00:42:06,132
new form of

2102
00:42:06,132 --> 00:42:06,462
living.

2103
00:42:06,882 --> 00:42:07,302
and It'll

2104
00:42:07,302 --> 00:42:07,602
cost

2105
00:42:07,602 --> 00:42:07,722
you

2106
00:42:07,722 --> 00:42:08,052
over a

2107
00:42:08,052 --> 00:42:08,472
million.

2108
00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:08,922
Perfect.

2109
00:42:08,922 --> 00:42:09,972
For ho agent,

2110
00:42:10,032 --> 00:42:10,482
you've ever

2111
00:42:10,482 --> 00:42:10,722
met.

2112
00:42:11,622 --> 00:42:12,377
and I think, Perfect

2113
00:42:12,397 --> 00:42:12,617
for

2114
00:42:12,617 --> 00:42:13,097
horizontal

2115
00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:13,297
living.

2116
00:42:14,712 --> 00:42:14,732
yeah, Yeah,

2117
00:42:15,132 --> 00:42:15,552
I think,

2118
00:42:15,642 --> 00:42:16,452
I think I should attribute this

2119
00:42:16,452 --> 00:42:17,202
to Ben,

2120
00:42:17,297 --> 00:42:17,417
Ley.

2121
00:42:17,887 --> 00:42:18,367
Professor

2122
00:42:18,367 --> 00:42:18,667
Oxford.

2123
00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:20,437
He's, He, talks about the
fact there's basically a left

2124
00:42:20,437 --> 00:42:21,547
block and a right block in

2125
00:42:21,547 --> 00:42:22,417
British politics.

2126
00:42:22,717 --> 00:42:24,457
And that's the way we've
gotta see it there.

2127
00:42:24,457 --> 00:42:24,727
Fish.

2128
00:42:24,727 --> 00:42:25,987
There are two pools that people are

2129
00:42:25,987 --> 00:42:27,457
fishing in and Labour is

2130
00:42:27,457 --> 00:42:30,037
doing this awkward straddling, which
is why that so many of them were

2131
00:42:30,037 --> 00:42:33,367
unhappy with Morgan McSweeney's,
ki Downer's chief of staff.

2132
00:42:33,397 --> 00:42:33,487
'cause

2133
00:42:33,487 --> 00:42:33,787
he felt they

2134
00:42:33,787 --> 00:42:35,887
were spending too much
time going after reform

2135
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:36,367
voters.

2136
00:42:36,367 --> 00:42:36,727
So

2137
00:42:36,967 --> 00:42:37,597
traditionally

2138
00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:39,967
white working class baby boomers

2139
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:40,117
in

2140
00:42:40,417 --> 00:42:41,227
those north of England

2141
00:42:41,227 --> 00:42:42,367
constituencies in Wales

2142
00:42:42,637 --> 00:42:42,817
at

2143
00:42:42,847 --> 00:42:44,527
the expense of younger, more socially

2144
00:42:44,527 --> 00:42:45,907
liberal pro-European voters

2145
00:42:45,907 --> 00:42:46,837
that they were losing anywhere.

2146
00:42:46,837 --> 00:42:47,167
else.

2147
00:42:47,647 --> 00:42:47,887
And the

2148
00:42:47,887 --> 00:42:48,847
feeling is that Labour has been

2149
00:42:48,847 --> 00:42:51,367
quite complacent about there
aren't enough of those people

2150
00:42:51,552 --> 00:42:52,632
and they're quite geographically

2151
00:42:52,632 --> 00:42:53,412
concentrated.

2152
00:42:53,862 --> 00:42:53,982
It's

2153
00:42:53,982 --> 00:42:53,992
'cause

2154
00:42:53,992 --> 00:42:54,582
it's studenty

2155
00:42:54,582 --> 00:42:55,182
places.

2156
00:42:55,272 --> 00:42:55,422
We

2157
00:42:55,477 --> 00:42:55,897
studenty faces.

2158
00:42:55,897 --> 00:42:56,047
We don't

2159
00:42:56,412 --> 00:42:56,502
and

2160
00:42:56,797 --> 00:42:57,157
just wanna win Brighton and London.

2161
00:42:57,157 --> 00:42:57,292
Is that what they're saying?

2162
00:42:57,292 --> 00:42:57,532
Yeah.

2163
00:42:57,532 --> 00:42:58,212
Or Bristol or

2164
00:42:58,292 --> 00:42:58,657
wherever it might

2165
00:42:58,657 --> 00:42:58,837
be.

2166
00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:00,787
But actually we'll be,

2167
00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:01,327
we'll really

2168
00:43:01,327 --> 00:43:04,867
get a sense in the local elections in
May about the fact that if there are

2169
00:43:04,867 --> 00:43:06,307
lots of people who want somewhere to

2170
00:43:06,307 --> 00:43:08,757
defect from Labour to, is,

2171
00:43:08,757 --> 00:43:09,247
are

2172
00:43:09,247 --> 00:43:10,807
they gonna go to reform or are some

2173
00:43:10,807 --> 00:43:10,987
of these

2174
00:43:11,257 --> 00:43:11,557
people

2175
00:43:11,557 --> 00:43:13,612
gonna go to parties on Lib Dem?

2176
00:43:15,177 --> 00:43:15,297
the

2177
00:43:15,297 --> 00:43:17,127
Greens in Scotland, the SMP.

2178
00:43:17,127 --> 00:43:17,667
And the same thing

2179
00:43:17,667 --> 00:43:19,797
with I think the Welsh elections
will be a very interesting

2180
00:43:19,842 --> 00:43:20,292
reform

2181
00:43:20,292 --> 00:43:21,312
versus anti-reform.

2182
00:43:21,312 --> 00:43:22,962
co. I was interested in her,

2183
00:43:23,832 --> 00:43:27,042
victory speech in which she
said working hard in this

2184
00:43:27,042 --> 00:43:28,377
country used to mean something.

2185
00:43:29,202 --> 00:43:29,442
And I.

2186
00:43:29,442 --> 00:43:29,802
thought,

2187
00:43:30,642 --> 00:43:30,852
which

2188
00:43:30,852 --> 00:43:31,272
party

2189
00:43:31,272 --> 00:43:31,422
is

2190
00:43:31,422 --> 00:43:31,782
that?

2191
00:43:33,492 --> 00:43:34,962
it could be more or less anyone.

2192
00:43:35,832 --> 00:43:37,512
and traditionally you'd
expect that to be a

2193
00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:40,902
Tory, or, a Labour person trying

2194
00:43:40,902 --> 00:43:44,502
to attract a Tory No, it's the
green candidate who has a job.

2195
00:43:46,422 --> 00:43:47,082
proper job.

2196
00:43:47,292 --> 00:43:48,492
plumber, does stuff.

2197
00:43:48,492 --> 00:43:49,332
that people like.

2198
00:43:49,699 --> 00:43:53,269
that is that workers and shiers
argument from the 2015 election.

2199
00:43:53,269 --> 00:43:53,719
Absolutely.

2200
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,649
Is, I'm actually, when I

2201
00:43:54,649 --> 00:43:54,799
say

2202
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:54,949
that,

2203
00:43:54,949 --> 00:43:55,039
I

2204
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:55,219
can't

2205
00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:55,459
remember

2206
00:43:55,459 --> 00:43:56,779
whether that was, ed Miller

2207
00:43:57,649 --> 00:43:57,949
David

2208
00:43:58,249 --> 00:43:58,339
that

2209
00:43:58,339 --> 00:43:58,459
was

2210
00:43:58,459 --> 00:43:58,759
pushing

2211
00:43:58,759 --> 00:43:58,939
that

2212
00:43:58,939 --> 00:43:59,359
particular

2213
00:43:59,359 --> 00:43:59,659
line.

2214
00:43:59,659 --> 00:44:00,259
Osborne in

2215
00:44:00,259 --> 00:44:00,739
particular.

2216
00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:00,979
Oh, was

2217
00:44:00,979 --> 00:44:01,099
it?

2218
00:44:01,339 --> 00:44:01,759
Okay.

2219
00:44:01,759 --> 00:44:02,989
Were the workers part of alarm

2220
00:44:02,989 --> 00:44:03,229
clock

2221
00:44:03,229 --> 00:44:03,649
Britain

2222
00:44:03,949 --> 00:44:04,009
or

2223
00:44:04,009 --> 00:44:04,159
was

2224
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:04,429
that

2225
00:44:04,444 --> 00:44:04,684
just

2226
00:44:04,684 --> 00:44:04,924
about

2227
00:44:04,924 --> 00:44:05,344
managing?

2228
00:44:05,344 --> 00:44:05,734
alarm

2229
00:44:05,734 --> 00:44:06,184
program?

2230
00:44:06,454 --> 00:44:06,694
No,

2231
00:44:06,784 --> 00:44:07,534
alarm Crop Britain is

2232
00:44:07,549 --> 00:44:07,819
Nick

2233
00:44:07,819 --> 00:44:08,179
Flagg.

2234
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:08,899
Sorry.

2235
00:44:08,899 --> 00:44:09,049
And

2236
00:44:09,049 --> 00:44:09,289
just

2237
00:44:09,289 --> 00:44:09,469
about

2238
00:44:09,469 --> 00:44:09,889
managing

2239
00:44:09,889 --> 00:44:09,979
is

2240
00:44:09,979 --> 00:44:10,129
Ed

2241
00:44:10,129 --> 00:44:10,309
Miller

2242
00:44:10,549 --> 00:44:11,779
ironically didn't have to say his

2243
00:44:11,784 --> 00:44:12,104
alarm clock

2244
00:44:12,129 --> 00:44:12,929
block after the

2245
00:44:12,994 --> 00:44:13,294
election,

2246
00:44:13,564 --> 00:44:15,094
and quiet bat

2247
00:44:15,094 --> 00:44:15,394
people

2248
00:44:15,394 --> 00:44:15,544
is

2249
00:44:15,544 --> 00:44:15,664
the

2250
00:44:15,664 --> 00:44:15,844
thick

2251
00:44:15,859 --> 00:44:15,979
of

2252
00:44:15,979 --> 00:44:16,099
it.

2253
00:44:16,789 --> 00:44:16,909
which

2254
00:44:16,909 --> 00:44:17,089
not

2255
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:17,269
get

2256
00:44:17,269 --> 00:44:17,689
confused.

2257
00:44:17,854 --> 00:44:17,974
with.

2258
00:44:18,064 --> 00:44:18,214
think

2259
00:44:18,214 --> 00:44:19,024
that's about managing is

2260
00:44:19,024 --> 00:44:19,339
Teresa

2261
00:44:19,369 --> 00:44:19,639
Mate

2262
00:44:19,844 --> 00:44:20,804
the squeezed middle.

2263
00:44:20,879 --> 00:44:21,299
Squeeze

2264
00:44:21,449 --> 00:44:22,019
is Ed Miller

2265
00:44:22,019 --> 00:44:22,229
Band.

2266
00:44:22,229 --> 00:44:22,379
You're

2267
00:44:22,379 --> 00:44:22,649
right.

2268
00:44:23,069 --> 00:44:23,939
But they're all identifying

2269
00:44:23,939 --> 00:44:24,029
the

2270
00:44:24,029 --> 00:44:24,479
same thing,

2271
00:44:24,479 --> 00:44:24,839
which is

2272
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:25,949
people who are

2273
00:44:26,189 --> 00:44:27,629
economically insecure.

2274
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,669
And the interesting thing is
that we've been used to thinking

2275
00:44:29,669 --> 00:44:30,659
that as people who are

2276
00:44:30,659 --> 00:44:32,009
in, de-industrialized

2277
00:44:32,009 --> 00:44:33,689
parts of perhaps Northern England.

2278
00:44:33,989 --> 00:44:39,149
Actually now it applies to 30 something
graduates paying back their loans at 9%

2279
00:44:39,149 --> 00:44:39,809
of their salary,

2280
00:44:39,809 --> 00:44:40,379
unable to get

2281
00:44:40,379 --> 00:44:41,249
on the housing ladder

2282
00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:42,929
thinking, what

2283
00:44:42,929 --> 00:44:43,469
is the point?

2284
00:44:43,499 --> 00:44:44,609
Like, when do I get to settle

2285
00:44:44,609 --> 00:44:45,449
down and have a family?

2286
00:44:45,449 --> 00:44:46,649
And all those things I've been told

2287
00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:47,399
constitute

2288
00:44:47,399 --> 00:44:48,029
a good life.

2289
00:44:48,089 --> 00:44:48,239
Yeah.

2290
00:44:49,334 --> 00:44:49,664
and those

2291
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:50,069
are, that's

2292
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:50,609
the pool that

2293
00:44:50,609 --> 00:44:51,809
the Greens have been incredibly

2294
00:44:51,824 --> 00:44:53,204
good appealing to.

2295
00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:53,683
They've

2296
00:44:53,683 --> 00:44:53,923
got

2297
00:44:53,923 --> 00:44:56,563
that novelty value as well,
which is what Nigel Farage had.

2298
00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:59,053
That's what stood him so far was he
was one of these people who didn't

2299
00:44:59,053 --> 00:45:02,023
feel like a normal politician and felt
like he was an outsider coming in.

2300
00:45:02,073 --> 00:45:03,238
But then Zach Polansky has

2301
00:45:03,238 --> 00:45:03,808
then got exactly

2302
00:45:03,808 --> 00:45:06,178
the same problem that Nigel
Farra had a couple of years ago.

2303
00:45:06,358 --> 00:45:08,398
Which is how do you
staff all the positions?

2304
00:45:08,548 --> 00:45:10,468
How do you make it more than just you?

2305
00:45:10,858 --> 00:45:14,038
But yeah, I think he's learned a lot from
what has worked for Nigel Farage, which

2306
00:45:14,038 --> 00:45:15,718
is both having a pop at the mainstream

2307
00:45:15,718 --> 00:45:16,378
media and saying

2308
00:45:16,378 --> 00:45:18,508
they're all, a haters say against
us, always works really well for

2309
00:45:18,508 --> 00:45:21,418
populist politicians, but at the
same time, making yourself really

2310
00:45:21,418 --> 00:45:22,048
available.

2311
00:45:22,408 --> 00:45:23,428
Sack ancy has gone out

2312
00:45:23,428 --> 00:45:23,878
and done a

2313
00:45:23,878 --> 00:45:24,418
lot of stuff.

2314
00:45:24,418 --> 00:45:26,548
Think about the number of
interviews he's done versus,

2315
00:45:26,548 --> 00:45:27,508
say, Kemi Badnock,

2316
00:45:27,508 --> 00:45:27,718
right?

2317
00:45:27,898 --> 00:45:28,618
He's just a lot

2318
00:45:28,618 --> 00:45:29,488
more visible.

2319
00:45:29,878 --> 00:45:31,168
He's out there and yes, he might

2320
00:45:31,168 --> 00:45:33,328
get into sticky situations
when he goes on the rest

2321
00:45:33,328 --> 00:45:34,378
of his politics or whatever, but

2322
00:45:34,378 --> 00:45:35,128
fundamentally.

2323
00:45:35,563 --> 00:45:35,803
he's

2324
00:45:35,803 --> 00:45:36,763
just there

2325
00:45:36,793 --> 00:45:38,623
in people's faces in a very fractured

2326
00:45:38,623 --> 00:45:41,293
media environment, in a way
that I think you know that.

2327
00:45:41,533 --> 00:45:43,873
But neither kiss Sam nor
Kemi badnock, nor even really

2328
00:45:43,873 --> 00:45:44,023
Ed

2329
00:45:44,023 --> 00:45:44,353
Davey

2330
00:45:44,353 --> 00:45:44,863
for all his

2331
00:45:45,973 --> 00:45:46,003
I

2332
00:45:46,048 --> 00:45:46,138
say

2333
00:45:46,723 --> 00:45:46,843
I

2334
00:45:46,843 --> 00:45:47,023
don't

2335
00:45:47,023 --> 00:45:47,413
mean that,

2336
00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:47,533
do I

2337
00:45:48,178 --> 00:45:49,028
Waterboarding?

2338
00:45:49,138 --> 00:45:49,428
He's

2339
00:45:49,618 --> 00:45:49,918
boarding?

2340
00:45:49,918 --> 00:45:49,928
waterboarding

2341
00:45:49,928 --> 00:45:50,323
at Thought Park, falling off

2342
00:45:50,323 --> 00:45:50,563
paddle

2343
00:45:50,658 --> 00:45:50,818
Yes.

2344
00:45:50,818 --> 00:45:51,058
Yeah.

2345
00:45:51,518 --> 00:45:51,738
The

2346
00:45:51,793 --> 00:45:52,453
waterboarding

2347
00:45:52,453 --> 00:45:52,573
at

2348
00:45:52,573 --> 00:45:53,083
Thought Park.

2349
00:45:53,153 --> 00:45:53,443
Yeah.

2350
00:45:53,528 --> 00:45:53,868
is a

2351
00:45:54,038 --> 00:45:55,243
worst day I ever.

2352
00:45:56,593 --> 00:45:56,743
that

2353
00:45:56,743 --> 00:45:57,043
could be

2354
00:45:57,043 --> 00:45:57,133
an

2355
00:45:57,133 --> 00:45:57,523
American

2356
00:45:57,523 --> 00:45:57,853
base

2357
00:45:57,943 --> 00:45:58,693
by the time this

2358
00:45:59,338 --> 00:46:00,028
podcast

2359
00:46:00,246 --> 00:46:00,373
goes

2360
00:46:00,373 --> 00:46:00,703
out.

2361
00:46:02,247 --> 00:46:02,517
okay.

2362
00:46:02,517 --> 00:46:02,607
So

2363
00:46:02,607 --> 00:46:02,667
we

2364
00:46:02,667 --> 00:46:02,817
come

2365
00:46:02,817 --> 00:46:03,967
back to his ki screwed?

2366
00:46:04,447 --> 00:46:04,747
Yes.

2367
00:46:05,887 --> 00:46:06,097
Helen,

2368
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:06,217
you've

2369
00:46:06,217 --> 00:46:06,487
been telling

2370
00:46:06,487 --> 00:46:06,577
me

2371
00:46:06,577 --> 00:46:06,697
for

2372
00:46:06,697 --> 00:46:06,997
ages,

2373
00:46:06,997 --> 00:46:07,237
Nigel

2374
00:46:07,417 --> 00:46:07,537
Re is

2375
00:46:07,537 --> 00:46:07,717
gonna

2376
00:46:07,717 --> 00:46:07,777
be

2377
00:46:07,777 --> 00:46:07,867
the

2378
00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:08,077
next

2379
00:46:08,077 --> 00:46:08,287
Prime

2380
00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:08,587
Minister.

2381
00:46:08,707 --> 00:46:11,407
I say that we should be
very open to the possibility

2382
00:46:11,527 --> 00:46:12,007
because

2383
00:46:12,187 --> 00:46:12,337
there

2384
00:46:12,337 --> 00:46:15,397
have been huge swings and this was a, a

2385
00:46:15,397 --> 00:46:16,177
massive swing to

2386
00:46:16,177 --> 00:46:16,567
the greens

2387
00:46:16,567 --> 00:46:17,227
with the reform in

2388
00:46:17,227 --> 00:46:19,277
second and Labour in third,

2389
00:46:19,327 --> 00:46:20,527
and in what was previously a

2390
00:46:20,527 --> 00:46:20,947
really

2391
00:46:21,397 --> 00:46:21,727
great

2392
00:46:21,727 --> 00:46:21,997
seat

2393
00:46:21,997 --> 00:46:23,012
And the key problem

2394
00:46:23,242 --> 00:46:23,546
Absolutely.

2395
00:46:23,546 --> 00:46:24,153
Labour seat.

2396
00:46:24,153 --> 00:46:24,457
Yeah.

2397
00:46:24,457 --> 00:46:27,007
Was that, there were, there was
a large constituency of quite

2398
00:46:27,007 --> 00:46:28,537
socially conservative Muslims.

2399
00:46:28,537 --> 00:46:29,827
There was another bit of the seat that.

2400
00:46:29,827 --> 00:46:31,897
Was, white graduates essentially.

2401
00:46:32,047 --> 00:46:32,227
Now

2402
00:46:32,227 --> 00:46:33,397
those are two groups that have,

2403
00:46:34,177 --> 00:46:36,097
some things in common, but
actually electorally, you'd

2404
00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:36,727
imagine want

2405
00:46:36,787 --> 00:46:37,687
different things.

2406
00:46:38,017 --> 00:46:39,127
And for one party to be able

2407
00:46:39,127 --> 00:46:40,417
to get 40%

2408
00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:43,897
of the vote outta that seat
is quite impressive and a big

2409
00:46:43,897 --> 00:46:44,491
problem for Labour.

2410
00:46:44,491 --> 00:46:44,887
'cause it

2411
00:46:44,887 --> 00:46:48,007
doesn't say that there's one
weird trick that they, why

2412
00:46:48,007 --> 00:46:48,277
don't you

2413
00:46:48,277 --> 00:46:50,047
just be meaner to immigrants?

2414
00:46:50,377 --> 00:46:51,757
Might win you back some of those people.

2415
00:46:51,757 --> 00:46:53,497
But none of those people,
why don't we be more

2416
00:46:53,497 --> 00:46:53,827
liberal

2417
00:46:53,827 --> 00:46:53,947
on

2418
00:46:53,947 --> 00:46:54,277
social

2419
00:46:54,277 --> 00:46:54,577
issues?

2420
00:46:54,667 --> 00:46:54,997
that's gonna

2421
00:46:54,997 --> 00:46:55,267
turn

2422
00:46:55,267 --> 00:46:55,627
off some

2423
00:46:55,627 --> 00:46:56,347
of those people.

2424
00:46:56,917 --> 00:46:57,157
Where

2425
00:46:57,157 --> 00:46:57,247
do

2426
00:46:57,247 --> 00:46:57,487
you go?

2427
00:46:57,727 --> 00:46:59,287
both of them United, by
the way, one of the few

2428
00:46:59,287 --> 00:47:01,417
things they're united on is Gaza to take

2429
00:47:01,417 --> 00:47:02,407
us right back to the start.

2430
00:47:02,917 --> 00:47:03,817
Both the kind of,

2431
00:47:04,597 --> 00:47:07,567
white college graduates and
socially conservative Muslim voters,

2432
00:47:07,747 --> 00:47:08,047
both

2433
00:47:08,047 --> 00:47:08,497
of them very

2434
00:47:08,497 --> 00:47:09,007
worried about

2435
00:47:09,067 --> 00:47:09,727
Britain's

2436
00:47:09,727 --> 00:47:10,117
involvement

2437
00:47:10,117 --> 00:47:10,207
in

2438
00:47:10,207 --> 00:47:10,627
war in the

2439
00:47:10,627 --> 00:47:10,807
Middle

2440
00:47:10,807 --> 00:47:11,197
East.

2441
00:47:11,677 --> 00:47:13,657
So that, that was something that, that

2442
00:47:13,657 --> 00:47:14,557
Zach Polanski Pumped

2443
00:47:14,557 --> 00:47:14,827
quite

2444
00:47:14,932 --> 00:47:15,262
hard

2445
00:47:15,472 --> 00:47:15,742
during,

2446
00:47:16,102 --> 00:47:17,452
but it can't all be about that.

2447
00:47:17,452 --> 00:47:20,726
Can I, Badu came out immediately and
said, actually, this is all down to

2448
00:47:20,726 --> 00:47:23,906
the Muslim vote and down to family
voting and corruption and, everything.

2449
00:47:24,446 --> 00:47:28,706
But if you're gonna get a load of socially
conservative Muslims to vote for a woman

2450
00:47:28,706 --> 00:47:31,376
candidate and an openly gay Jewish leader,

2451
00:47:31,721 --> 00:47:32,051
that's

2452
00:47:32,051 --> 00:47:32,111
a

2453
00:47:32,111 --> 00:47:32,411
hell

2454
00:47:32,411 --> 00:47:32,531
of

2455
00:47:32,531 --> 00:47:33,311
an achievement,

2456
00:47:33,371 --> 00:47:33,701
isn't

2457
00:47:33,701 --> 00:47:33,971
it?

2458
00:47:34,186 --> 00:47:34,476
Yeah.

2459
00:47:34,476 --> 00:47:34,606
It just

2460
00:47:34,616 --> 00:47:36,506
Just briefly, that they
wrote, ran a very good

2461
00:47:36,506 --> 00:47:36,986
campaign

2462
00:47:36,986 --> 00:47:39,386
that spoke to people on the
issues that they cared about.

2463
00:47:39,656 --> 00:47:40,286
That said,

2464
00:47:40,736 --> 00:47:40,856
there

2465
00:47:40,856 --> 00:47:41,186
are bits of

2466
00:47:41,186 --> 00:47:41,636
that campaign

2467
00:47:41,636 --> 00:47:42,326
I didn't like.

2468
00:47:42,956 --> 00:47:42,986
okay.

2469
00:47:42,986 --> 00:47:43,526
And the same way that

2470
00:47:43,526 --> 00:47:45,896
I think that reform quite
often play white grievance

2471
00:47:45,896 --> 00:47:46,376
politics.

2472
00:47:46,616 --> 00:47:50,816
I don't like the Green party putting
out adverts, which is showing Stan

2473
00:47:50,816 --> 00:47:51,086
with

2474
00:47:51,206 --> 00:47:51,926
Modi

2475
00:47:52,076 --> 00:47:52,196
to

2476
00:47:52,196 --> 00:47:52,646
say

2477
00:47:52,676 --> 00:47:52,916
look

2478
00:47:52,916 --> 00:47:53,006
at

2479
00:47:53,006 --> 00:47:53,366
him hanging

2480
00:47:53,366 --> 00:47:53,486
out

2481
00:47:53,486 --> 00:47:53,936
with Indian

2482
00:47:54,086 --> 00:47:54,686
Hindus.

2483
00:47:54,956 --> 00:47:55,436
And then

2484
00:47:55,436 --> 00:47:57,266
Netanyahu to say, look
at him hanging out with a

2485
00:47:57,266 --> 00:47:57,656
Jew.

2486
00:47:57,836 --> 00:47:58,076
That

2487
00:47:58,076 --> 00:47:58,556
to me

2488
00:47:58,556 --> 00:47:59,606
is pressing a button that

2489
00:47:59,606 --> 00:48:01,466
I don't really want
people carving up Britain

2490
00:48:01,466 --> 00:48:02,546
into different ethnicities.

2491
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:03,206
and tailoring Their

2492
00:48:03,206 --> 00:48:03,626
message.

2493
00:48:03,626 --> 00:48:04,136
Differently

2494
00:48:04,591 --> 00:48:04,781
Or,

2495
00:48:04,781 --> 00:48:04,991
on

2496
00:48:04,991 --> 00:48:05,501
religious

2497
00:48:05,501 --> 00:48:06,041
sectarian grounds.

2498
00:48:06,461 --> 00:48:06,521
Yeah.

2499
00:48:06,701 --> 00:48:07,751
that's the Zack Goldsmith

2500
00:48:07,751 --> 00:48:07,931
going

2501
00:48:07,946 --> 00:48:08,006
for

2502
00:48:08,006 --> 00:48:08,306
London

2503
00:48:08,306 --> 00:48:08,606
Mayor,

2504
00:48:08,906 --> 00:48:09,296
tactic

2505
00:48:09,296 --> 00:48:09,506
isn't.

2506
00:48:09,506 --> 00:48:09,566
It

2507
00:48:10,011 --> 00:48:10,291
absolutely,

2508
00:48:10,571 --> 00:48:10,751
yes.

2509
00:48:11,681 --> 00:48:11,711
Uming.

2510
00:48:11,711 --> 00:48:11,921
Was

2511
00:48:12,026 --> 00:48:12,656
Hindu family

2512
00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:13,136
saying,

2513
00:48:13,136 --> 00:48:13,886
he's gonna take Yes,

2514
00:48:13,916 --> 00:48:14,456
is coming for your

2515
00:48:14,456 --> 00:48:14,636
gold.

2516
00:48:14,636 --> 00:48:15,056
He'll take your

2517
00:48:15,056 --> 00:48:15,416
gold.

2518
00:48:15,704 --> 00:48:16,124
Exactly.

2519
00:48:16,124 --> 00:48:16,214
I

2520
00:48:16,214 --> 00:48:16,514
find it

2521
00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:18,164
a continuation, of the fact
that there are people who are

2522
00:48:18,164 --> 00:48:19,964
madly obsessed with Sadik Kahn,

2523
00:48:19,964 --> 00:48:20,054
that

2524
00:48:20,054 --> 00:48:22,304
he's trying to impose Sharia
Law in Britain and just

2525
00:48:22,304 --> 00:48:25,064
say, just because he's a Muslim,
I think you need, that's all

2526
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:25,589
you need to know

2527
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:25,979
about him.

2528
00:48:26,369 --> 00:48:26,519
That

2529
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:26,729
kind

2530
00:48:26,729 --> 00:48:26,789
of

2531
00:48:26,789 --> 00:48:27,209
politics

2532
00:48:27,254 --> 00:48:27,344
is

2533
00:48:27,344 --> 00:48:27,794
really show some

2534
00:48:27,824 --> 00:48:28,154
some respect.

2535
00:48:28,154 --> 00:48:29,054
Helen, That's the president of

2536
00:48:29,054 --> 00:48:29,174
the

2537
00:48:29,174 --> 00:48:29,444
SA,

2538
00:48:29,444 --> 00:48:29,594
you're

2539
00:48:29,594 --> 00:48:29,834
talking

2540
00:48:29,834 --> 00:48:29,844
about

2541
00:48:29,844 --> 00:48:29,909
him

2542
00:48:30,029 --> 00:48:30,119
here.

2543
00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:32,084
really

2544
00:48:32,099 --> 00:48:32,369
really ugly,

2545
00:48:32,369 --> 00:48:32,669
wherever

2546
00:48:32,674 --> 00:48:33,574
it comes from, so Yeah, it is.

2547
00:48:33,574 --> 00:48:33,734
Yeah.

2548
00:48:33,734 --> 00:48:33,934
yeah.

2549
00:48:34,664 --> 00:48:36,404
But they've, correctly identified

2550
00:48:36,404 --> 00:48:36,794
that talking

2551
00:48:36,854 --> 00:48:37,814
about boring old green

2552
00:48:37,814 --> 00:48:38,264
stuff.

2553
00:48:38,384 --> 00:48:38,564
is

2554
00:48:38,564 --> 00:48:38,864
not

2555
00:48:39,224 --> 00:48:40,274
especially interesting

2556
00:48:40,274 --> 00:48:41,259
when someone cares about the heat

2557
00:48:41,259 --> 00:48:41,419
pump?

2558
00:48:41,624 --> 00:48:41,714
Well,

2559
00:48:42,489 --> 00:48:44,804
look for, listeners of the
podcast, there was a section

2560
00:48:44,864 --> 00:48:45,854
which Andy was talking

2561
00:48:45,854 --> 00:48:46,034
about

2562
00:48:46,064 --> 00:48:46,454
energy,

2563
00:48:46,454 --> 00:48:46,634
but

2564
00:48:46,634 --> 00:48:46,874
we've

2565
00:48:46,874 --> 00:48:47,114
cut

2566
00:48:47,114 --> 00:48:47,264
it.

2567
00:48:47,474 --> 00:48:47,774
Oh no,

2568
00:48:48,194 --> 00:48:48,314
Oh no.

2569
00:48:49,343 --> 00:48:51,713
Kamy Badnock conservative's
got 1.9% of the vote.

2570
00:48:51,743 --> 00:48:53,693
And that I think shows that she's done the

2571
00:48:53,708 --> 00:48:54,128
work

2572
00:48:54,128 --> 00:48:54,248
of

2573
00:48:54,248 --> 00:48:54,728
reducing

2574
00:48:54,743 --> 00:48:54,833
the

2575
00:48:54,833 --> 00:48:55,013
vote

2576
00:48:55,013 --> 00:48:55,103
to

2577
00:48:55,103 --> 00:48:55,733
its core

2578
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:55,823
and

2579
00:48:55,823 --> 00:48:55,913
you

2580
00:48:55,913 --> 00:48:56,063
can

2581
00:48:56,063 --> 00:48:56,363
build

2582
00:48:56,363 --> 00:48:56,543
from

2583
00:48:56,543 --> 00:48:56,783
that.

2584
00:48:57,653 --> 00:48:58,403
And her reaction was

2585
00:48:58,403 --> 00:48:58,463
to

2586
00:48:58,463 --> 00:48:58,613
say

2587
00:48:58,643 --> 00:48:58,733
on.

2588
00:48:58,823 --> 00:48:59,363
theist Armor

2589
00:48:59,363 --> 00:48:59,513
is

2590
00:48:59,513 --> 00:48:59,993
finished.

2591
00:49:00,068 --> 00:49:00,278
Yes.

2592
00:49:00,278 --> 00:49:00,788
I Love that.

2593
00:49:00,788 --> 00:49:00,878
It

2594
00:49:00,878 --> 00:49:01,058
was

2595
00:49:01,073 --> 00:49:01,523
brilliant.

2596
00:49:02,828 --> 00:49:03,068
Mi

2597
00:49:03,383 --> 00:49:03,653
It by

2598
00:49:03,653 --> 00:49:03,713
a

2599
00:49:03,713 --> 00:49:03,893
lot

2600
00:49:03,923 --> 00:49:03,983
of

2601
00:49:03,983 --> 00:49:04,073
the

2602
00:49:04,073 --> 00:49:04,433
press.

2603
00:49:04,658 --> 00:49:04,808
I

2604
00:49:04,808 --> 00:49:04,988
mean

2605
00:49:04,988 --> 00:49:05,738
you pointed this

2606
00:49:05,828 --> 00:49:05,948
out

2607
00:49:06,128 --> 00:49:06,348
but

2608
00:49:06,658 --> 00:49:06,948
Yeah.

2609
00:49:08,048 --> 00:49:08,888
Hab star,

2610
00:49:08,888 --> 00:49:09,248
what's the

2611
00:49:09,248 --> 00:49:09,728
deposit.

2612
00:49:11,116 --> 00:49:11,506
Alright.

2613
00:49:11,506 --> 00:49:11,626
We

2614
00:49:11,626 --> 00:49:11,806
should

2615
00:49:11,806 --> 00:49:11,956
end

2616
00:49:11,956 --> 00:49:12,196
this

2617
00:49:12,676 --> 00:49:12,856
al of

2618
00:49:12,856 --> 00:49:13,456
gloating

2619
00:49:14,596 --> 00:49:14,866
and

2620
00:49:15,046 --> 00:49:16,816
we haven't even done Dubai influencers.

2621
00:49:16,996 --> 00:49:17,656
Imagine such

2622
00:49:17,656 --> 00:49:17,716
a

2623
00:49:17,746 --> 00:49:17,956
thing.

2624
00:49:17,956 --> 00:49:18,346
Andy.

2625
00:49:18,406 --> 00:49:18,826
I look all the

2626
00:49:18,826 --> 00:49:19,246
gloating

2627
00:49:19,246 --> 00:49:19,336
that

2628
00:49:19,336 --> 00:49:19,456
I've

2629
00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:19,606
got

2630
00:49:19,606 --> 00:49:19,846
pent

2631
00:49:19,846 --> 00:49:19,966
up

2632
00:49:19,966 --> 00:49:20,356
inside

2633
00:49:20,356 --> 00:49:20,506
me,

2634
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:20,686
We

2635
00:49:20,686 --> 00:49:21,706
get big views

2636
00:49:21,706 --> 00:49:21,826
on

2637
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:22,246
YouTube

2638
00:49:22,246 --> 00:49:22,336
in

2639
00:49:22,516 --> 00:49:22,726
from

2640
00:49:22,726 --> 00:49:23,146
Dubai.

2641
00:49:23,266 --> 00:49:23,566
Okay.

2642
00:49:23,566 --> 00:49:24,226
I'll say nothing.

2643
00:49:24,231 --> 00:49:24,521
Yeah.

2644
00:49:24,676 --> 00:49:24,796
Yeah.

2645
00:49:25,546 --> 00:49:26,746
I've always loved the UAE

2646
00:49:26,746 --> 00:49:27,646
and I believe

2647
00:49:27,691 --> 00:49:27,841
that

2648
00:49:28,081 --> 00:49:28,501
everything

2649
00:49:28,501 --> 00:49:28,651
they

2650
00:49:28,651 --> 00:49:28,801
do

2651
00:49:28,801 --> 00:49:28,891
is

2652
00:49:28,891 --> 00:49:29,251
great.

2653
00:49:29,581 --> 00:49:30,151
Absolutely.

2654
00:49:30,271 --> 00:49:30,541
I know

2655
00:49:30,541 --> 00:49:30,691
who

2656
00:49:30,691 --> 00:49:30,991
protects.

2657
00:49:30,991 --> 00:49:31,051
us.

2658
00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:31,801
You have to say that

2659
00:49:31,801 --> 00:49:31,951
when

2660
00:49:31,951 --> 00:49:32,041
you

2661
00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:32,371
moved to

2662
00:49:32,371 --> 00:49:32,671
Dubai,

2663
00:49:32,671 --> 00:49:32,851
which

2664
00:49:32,851 --> 00:49:34,679
you've revealed where we're broadcasting

2665
00:49:34,696 --> 00:49:35,806
from, where the bunker is.

2666
00:49:37,336 --> 00:49:37,786
That is

2667
00:49:37,786 --> 00:49:37,906
it

2668
00:49:37,906 --> 00:49:39,196
for this episode of page 94.

2669
00:49:39,196 --> 00:49:40,516
Thank you so much for listening

2670
00:49:40,516 --> 00:49:41,296
and for watching.

2671
00:49:41,296 --> 00:49:41,506
If you

2672
00:49:41,506 --> 00:49:43,066
would like to get a copy of Private Eye,

2673
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2674
00:49:47,641 --> 00:49:48,016
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2675
00:49:48,016 --> 00:49:51,851
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2676
00:49:52,512 --> 00:49:52,722
The

2677
00:49:52,722 --> 00:49:54,252
latest issue of the magazine has

2678
00:49:54,252 --> 00:49:55,902
a terrific report from Dr.

2679
00:49:55,902 --> 00:49:56,412
Grim, our

2680
00:49:56,412 --> 00:49:58,602
human rights correspondent,
about what life has been

2681
00:49:58,602 --> 00:49:59,862
like in Iran,

2682
00:50:00,222 --> 00:50:00,912
under the Aya,

2683
00:50:00,912 --> 00:50:02,772
TOAs, and under the regime.

2684
00:50:02,802 --> 00:50:03,282
And it's

2685
00:50:03,282 --> 00:50:05,682
got plenty more, fantastic coverage,

2686
00:50:05,742 --> 00:50:07,602
fantastic jokes, fantastic cartoons.

2687
00:50:07,692 --> 00:50:08,772
It's a fantastic magazine

2688
00:50:09,072 --> 00:50:10,962
and the price has not spiked tenfold yet.

2689
00:50:11,202 --> 00:50:11,412
So

2690
00:50:11,412 --> 00:50:12,072
rush out and get

2691
00:50:12,072 --> 00:50:12,372
it right

2692
00:50:12,372 --> 00:50:12,702
now.

2693
00:50:13,062 --> 00:50:14,772
Thanks to Ian, Helen, and Adam,

2694
00:50:15,132 --> 00:50:15,582
and thanks

2695
00:50:15,597 --> 00:50:16,827
once again to Matt Hill of Rethink

2696
00:50:16,827 --> 00:50:17,157
Audio

2697
00:50:17,322 --> 00:50:17,742
producing.

2698
00:50:17,802 --> 00:50:17,952
Bye

2699
00:50:17,952 --> 00:50:18,072
for

2700
00:50:18,087 --> 00:50:18,267
now.