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Speaker 1: Barnsi here may congratulations on keeping the Code AFL show going. I was a little bit worried when I leftly to cover the Winter Paralympics that you wouldn't be able to keep the show on the road, and I am not surprised it takes two chiefs to replace me, but I'm glad you're still trucking on and I'm sure the episode will be held together by you with all that star power of Dan Cherney and j Clark. I'm just a little bit nervous about your authority with them, given they are a double chief show.

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Speaker 2: So good luck.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to listening.

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Speaker 4: Great to you from Josh Barnes there covering in the Winter Paralympics in Italy. That was a non consensual audio message I plied to open the Code AFL show where I'm joined by News Corps Chief AFL writer J Clark and the chief Cricker writer Dan Cherney.

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Speaker 5: Hello Ed, I'm disappointed there wasn't more swearing and what he really thinks to be honest about us. His honest thoughts a bit like what Dougherty said about VOSSI just on that quickly. Sam Dockerty is not a man your fan of Michael Boss is he did that? Was that part crystal clear in the voice voice message or not?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 6: I think that's become abundantly clear. I think in hindsight that was probably quite clear last year. I think we start to put a piece through just some of the way the year panned out and some of the commentary around Doherty's role in the team, and it's the phasing out of him and looking on Michael Vos says all the right things. You just think in hindsight, Yeah, it was some of the messages coming out of the club suggesting that not all was right.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I do feel for him for the way it's panned out. This week hopefully we'll be back in the fold at Carlton. He will be by the Good Friday Superclass. We know in five or six weeks. Times it's strange that they cut him from that speaking function.

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Speaker 5: So so is Dockerty said to Gorringe, mate, what on earth were you thinking? They had the tough conversation around that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's pretty gentle to him when I rang him for that for that story. When the when the audio first emerged on the on the podcast, he didn't want to kind of sink the boot into his mate and say I'd been stitched up here. But he did say I didn't intend for it to go to airs as it was. I'm not sure if Josh was actually across the story. I think it might have all unfolded during he had about thirty six hours of travel to Italy and when our producer sent him the voice memo brief. I'm not sure if he knew what he was parroting. So he's just sent like a he's just done his own stout. I think there would have been a few swear words if you knew what he was, if you knew what the assignment was. Big news broke overnight that Hawthorne might have been sitting on a big story out of the US. They had had a training camp there to Arizona in November and Dylan Moore and Coon MacDonald got themselves into trouble, spent night in a jail.

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Speaker 5: Soul Ja Yeah, well, I mean, and that they should have been upfront about it. As a footag club, Let's be honest, there's no secrets in football ever, really, so I think in this modern age where you know so much social media Ed Cecha on Day two were day three of getting back. They should have been open about this. I mean, Dylan Moore, he's one of the most respected people and players at the club. Clearly it's costs his vice captaincy. That's a very significant outcome, and he clearly feels incredibly embarrassed by the whole thing. So if you're going to put your hand up like that, I just think the club's mishandled it to some degree in a sense that they should have been more up front about it early. And potentially there were some mitigating circumstances around that regards to the legal fallout or complications, so maybe we need to know more about that side of things, But potentially we could have heard about this a little bit earlier. I personally have never climbed to siss A lift. I'm unsure about the risks attached, but it seems like a pretty foolish mistake which has cost him a very soonior leadership position.

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Speaker 4: I've been up there once for work purposes.

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Speaker 5: We were wearing your heart, wearing a hard hat and had you had fifteen beers beforehand, probably, like the Hawks.

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Speaker 4: Not the case. We do know. So Sam Mitchell will speak today on Wednesday, and we'll find out more information about when Hawthorne knew this. But they announced their leadership groups in the middle of January. January twenty two, they confirmed that Newcomb had been elevated to co captain. Dylan Moore had been left out because there was a I think it was a three man leadership group. He was him and Luke Bruce were the vice captains to Sicily, so they knew from at least mid January. We might emerged that they've known earlier down we saw during the Ashes that England sat on the Harry Hook scandal, obviously an offense of a different nature, but they sat on that one until the end of the series. The news came out and then you'd probably argue that the backlash was bigger than it would have been there for to come out on the eve of the Ashes.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's the old saying the cover up is always worse in the crime, and not always, but generally worse in the crime, and I think in the instance of Brook and England, so sorry to take a lot of cricket, but there there was even Subsequently it emerged that they withheld certain parts of the information about which teammates were there, including Jacob Bethel. I think it was Josh Tungu as well. For me with Hawthorne here to bring it back to the footy scenario, the thing that I'm as a member of the media, I'm generally pro open information and the like, and for me, particularly for Hawthorne, a club that under Sam Mitchell, has tried to reinvent itself as a much more open club. You know, they had that documentary on Channel seven before the start of last season.

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Speaker 2: Were the first ones to dive into that.

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Speaker 6: The States have subsequently done similar full sweat, full sweat they you know, the whole hockball evolution. You know that the selfies, all that sort of stuff. This is a club that has tried, you know, portraying image of being open and progressive and you know, moving on from the whole Clarko closed shop era, and you know that that can't be conditional. You've got to be if you want to be an open club, you've got to be open in all circumstances. And this is actually the time when it's most important to be upfront. And I genuine believer have they gone out and said this, you know, when it happened in whatever it was in October November, it would have been it would have been done by I'm not saying we wouldn't have still be talking about it, but you certainly been talking about a lot less than you would be two days out in the first game or the big Friday night game of the season.

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Speaker 5: Round one already go in one timing surrendous. It's a great point, Daniel. But just as a side note, like, what have you covered up in your life? Is there anything you'd like to get off your chest? Which is anything of which I feel like this isn't appropriate for him because in my in my bed dream months when I was about fifteen, I put a hole in my wall sort of trying to catch a tennis ball off my bed, and then I covered it up with a Muhammad Ali poster and my parents didn't find out for at least a couple of years. So, just as a side note, I felt like, you know that I need to get that.

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Speaker 2: Off my chest?

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Speaker 4: Did you have to? So you've addressed it now that you probably didn't have to address it at the time to the public.

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Speaker 5: I tried my absolute best to cut I did cover it up literally with a big Muhammed Ali picture.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Hawthorne's punished Dylan Moore twice here, but make him do that interview so long after the case, and it was quite it was almost comical how how serious he was about it, given the what was reported in the end of the substance of it.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I just want to touch on that on that Channel seven interview. And you look, I get where Dylan Moore's coming from and trying to portray himself, and he has been a very respected I think still is a respected member of.

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Speaker 2: That Hawthorne team.

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Speaker 6: And I'd be surprised actually if he doesn't return to a leadership position at some stage in the future.

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Speaker 2: He's still there's mid twenties. I do sort of.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a big fan of this infantalization of Connor McDonald, who's twenty three, like Dylan Moore's twenty six. Well, like, what are we doing here? Like I'm a senior play should yes, you should know better, but I Thinkndadond shouldn't know Abut because he's twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yeah, ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Fully agree with you on that. We've got a new one off segment to introduce to the podcast. It's called crystal ball regrets. Now where you had this day at the end of January. We've had the preseason games and we've now had ten teams play in opening round. Is there anything that's keeping you up at night, anything that you wish wasn't put to print in our season?

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Speaker 3: Guys, No, potentially, it's only early. It's only early.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't think Collingwood was a finals team, and as Scuddy Penley was leading a Mary dance on the half forward flank in the second and third terms, I did have a sharp pang of crystal ball regret because he was brilliant and the Pies knocked over the Saints. I tipped Saint Kilda and despite their twenty extra inside fifty, still the Polish is a big question. Can they be clean going inside fifty? Would have been so disappointed with Matthaeas Philippoo and Sammy Flanders that some of their ball usage. Darcy Wilson had a big opportunity to really put a flag.

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Speaker 3: In the ground.

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Speaker 5: But the Pies, led by Nick Dakos forty one touches were outstanding, so I thought they were going to.

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Speaker 3: Fall over that cliff this year.

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Speaker 5: I thought this would be the year, but old man Pendery age seventy nine just did what he wanted. Really, so I'm a little bit worried that I've underestimated the Pies.

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Speaker 4: I guess the one thing is they looked like they'd fallen off the cliff and opening around last year, and then by the following week they hadn't all together. So sometimes we can't get a misleading view of Collingwood in the early stage of the season. But yeah, I had them eleventh and look so well drilled, well oiled. The forward structure really seemed to work. Yeah, I'm a bit concerned.

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Speaker 5: That said, if Sharman nails his set shot, I think third term or fourth term, and then Wilson as well looks so jittery, you know, then sin Kilda would have won that game, you'd think. So some execution really let them down. So I'm not I'm not totally losing faith in the Saints because if they can clean some of that up, you know, I think they would could have taken the four points.

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Speaker 3: But there was signs of life in Collinwood.

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Speaker 5: Jeordie to GOI you know, I was really impressed by you know, without Darcy Moore and Jeremy how we thought that back line might have been really vulnerable, but it's stood up. Okay, But that's sin killed to that Polish. That class is still very irrelevant issue for them.

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Speaker 4: We'll touch back on sin Kilda later on. But Dan, I'm not sure if we asked for a crystal ball from you, but I'm sure you would have come up with one internally. And holding yourself accountable here what has disappointed you so far?

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Speaker 2: It's importable. I'm going to come clean now.

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Speaker 6: Look, the one that I think I may have got slightly wrong, you know in my own mind, was the Giants tipped Hawthorne. I mean, I think, like a lot of people, we saw the list of the outs with the Giants and it was reaching sort of a tipping point.

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Speaker 2: But they were very, very impressive.

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Speaker 6: Now, I mean whether Jake string is going to continue to do that all year, I mean, as we know, it is a contract year for him, and we know he does lift in his contract years historically.

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Speaker 2: But I think just the depth through that side.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Jade Leverde stood up quite well in his first game for the club.

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Speaker 2: Joe Fonti, I think there's just some depth there.

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Speaker 6: Some of these role players at the Giants that we didn't don't necessarily give credit to.

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Speaker 2: And they're a funny club.

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Speaker 6: The Giants, But I think over the course of their history they've been a very good backs against the wall side, not necessarily a great front running team. I think the kind of team that actually played better when they asked of the underdogs, and there is a bit of us against them, and they do get doubted, which is funny because they're not obviously not a big club per se, and don't necessarily have a hell a lot of support to waters on their back. You know, they don't feel the pressure like a Carlton feel the pressure, but look only one game in, but's very impressed by the Giants.

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Speaker 5: First up, Clayton loll have looked like twenty twenty one Clayton oliverre so clean below his knees. And for Philip Fink, Callahan's the one who has flown under the radar. He looked like Chris Judd, you know, two hands on the ball, you know that that Juddy style, twisting and turning at a traffic that burst speed.

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Speaker 3: I think I had him thirty one in the top fifty.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of crystal ball regret, I was looking at him, thinking he could be a top fifteen player, and then Ed Richards goes bananas later than Saturday night, I'm thinking he should be inside the top ten. So yeah, I thought Callahan was incredible and I think they've done it always.

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Speaker 3: You say without Sammy Taylor, Brent Daniels, etcetera.

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Speaker 5: There's a long list of them. Stephen Knely I had more than twenty three high speed meters. It would have been good for the his confidence levels following the Adam Kingsley spray last year.

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Speaker 4: So what's a good number of high speed meters?

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Speaker 5: Well, in my instance, it's about eight. I think I think that a lot of those guys are posting three figure numbers, not twenty three.

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Speaker 3: It's halftime in that case. But yeah, you're right. I mean they were really impressive the Johns.

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Speaker 4: I was particularly impressed with Callahan, given you'd have that hip flexo interruption over the preseason. It sounded like he was in doubt for opening round, but once we saw him out there, he was motoring away, looked like the best midfielder on the ground for parts of that match. My Crystal Bau regret Geelong had them top four, thought they're probably ready to be the first club in a while to put a heavy Grand Final loss behind them. Buck that trend. I think it's going to be hard to finish top four if they're this They look a bit undercooked. I reckon it might take a couple of weeks to turn around. What was your assessment of that one? Can they bridge that gap quickly? They did not look ready for the heat that Gold Coast brought.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a mid. I sort of had him about fourth or fifth from memory. It's a tough start to the season. Like I reckon, I old tip Framemantle probably to beat them at home or I'm certainly leaning that way at the moment. They've you know, it's another short preseason for them. I think that the discussion around Chris Scott is really interesting. Clearly he's given the keys to James Kelly and Nathan Buckley. To Ald agree, Gold Coaster an incredible I just had no answers for Petrarca and the Sun's pressure. They're so hungry and on the road, they're going to be.

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Speaker 3: So hard to beat. So I think you give the cats and out.

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Speaker 5: But gee, it's going to be interesting to see how they respond at home where they've won probably eighty ninety percent of that matches over the last twenty years, so it's not break glass in case of emergency yet. But if the Dockers, who are such a quality outfit themselves, can not victory, I think that the spotlight and the blow torch goes up a little bit. But this is a club has been up the top.

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Speaker 3: For twenty years.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to fold them. But maybe after such a tough start of the season they might be playing a bit of catch up this year.

00:13:37
Speaker 7: Ed Dan and Jay will be right back. But now let's head to a stats check in with Champion Data.

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Speaker 4: We've been lucky enough to have Champion Data. As Corey Mabilio wander down South Bank to join us in the studio and Corey, how do you find opening around? Did you think that the new rules had a tangible effect on the game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously we're working with a small sample size, but I think you know, four of the first five games were really good from a scoring blosion point of view, So looking at the opening round as a whole, So ninety seven point three points per game per team, which was the highest average score.

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Speaker 4: In a home and.

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Speaker 8: Away rounds since twenty seventeen, So you look at just some basic measures in terms of how sides move the ball, their efficiency going inside fifty, scoring from center, bounces were all up on last year, and also stoppages were down. So I think if those trains continue, we'll be in for a pretty exciting year of footy.

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Speaker 4: You think it's more the rules or is it possible that patchy defense's first round of the season of caused some of this? Were there any defensive indicators that were really just way under what usual benchmarks are.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, you look at round zero and obviously you're trying to build a sample size of data. But I think it's more how teams are trying to play with their aggression, and we saw some really good examples on Thursday night with Sydney and Gold Coast with their aggression and their ability to take that ball through the corridor. So yeah, I do think the rules had a bit of an effect on that, But yeah, I guess time will tell with once we build a bit more sample size.

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Speaker 4: It's been covered to death this week, but one of the biggest stories has been the elite Sam Dockerty voice message about Carlton's because these frustrations basically of Carlton's one dimensional game plan, saying if the inside midfielders have beaten the Blues don't have an answer. Now, the Blues has been adamant that they're not losing games in the same way as Dougherty put. Michael Voss said yesterday that there is a new Carlton, there's a new way that they're trying to play and they saw glimpses of it on Thursday night against the Swans. Did you see anything that suggests they are trying to play in a different way this season?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that forward surge handball was something that we haven't seen under a Voss side for since he basically took over. So they recorded five hundred and twenty eight meters gain from handball, which was the most under Vos, and you look at the previous four years, they're actually the fourth lowest side in the competition for that measure. In terms of how they play. Yeah, a different, a different looking Carton's side, But I think where you know, the angst comes is where the execution and the transition game and all those factors. So method looked different, but a bit of the same old with their efficiency and transition.

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Speaker 4: So it was there until halftime and then they just came out and forgot to play that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 8: It was a funny old game and you know might touch on someone like Walsh where that first half really suited you know how Carlton were trying to play. And he was a number one ranked player on the ground at halftime and it was the first time in his career that he went over fifteen disposals three hundred and fifty meters, gained five inside fifties and four score involvements in a half. And you look at the second half, he dropped to the thirty four rated player on the ground. If you look at at Walsh, if he finishes a game as a top five rated player on the ground, Carltner is over a seventy percent chance of winning. It's just, yeah, it's in terms of how they want to play in that forward surge and those power runners looking at what I think he's arguably Culten's most important player and we saw that on Thursday night where when the second half went.

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Speaker 2: Probably the wrong way, his impact really dried up.

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Speaker 8: And someone like Jagger as well was quite instrumental in that first half.

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Speaker 4: All so, I remember talking early last season about how important Welsh was the Calvin as well. I think there were the numbers with his score involvements and how it correlated in the wins for Carlton, So clearly take him out you're a big chance of beating the Blues. Any other players that popped out at you in opening round that really stood out?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Ed Richards was one, and I think there's a bit of a flow and effect. So we had him as the number three rated player in the competition last year and you look at his game from opening ground, so it was the seventh best performance by a Bulldogs player from their ball use on record, and he was also just the tenth player across the last ten years to go over thirty disposals, seven hundred meters gained and fifteen score involvements. It's probably the flow and effect for me, like one, he probably needs to be spoken about as one of the premiere meds in the competition now. But it's also allowing BoNT and Pally to roll forward. So I just had to look before I came in here when BoNT is a forward fifty target just looking at the start of last year, so he's been a target twenty five times the Dogs have scored a goal fifty percent of the time he's been targeted inside fifty So the fly on effect with Richards and announcing himself as a Premieer mid in the competition is allowing Bonton Pally to go forward. He'll draw an awkward match up and the Dogs that Ford, you know, dynamic again, changes complexion when he's down there.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you got the numbers, but I think they're both quite accurate shots at goal as well, or at least were last season. Has that been a factor that Bonton, Pelly and Richards are so good at finishing off their work.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that also but one their ability to win clearance forward of center. That post clearance ball is really important this day and age, and there's probably no better player in the competition. And you know Bond and Valley is going to make you quite nervous standing at full forward on him. So I think that's a different element as well as Richard's ground ball game and his ball use that really sets him apart.

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Speaker 4: And Sunday night, Collingwood surprised us a bit against Saint Kildare and Scott Pendlebury obviously caught the eight half forward with his career high five goal assists. But I think there was another forward that caught your eye. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Obviously probably not spoken about in the same vein as of being managed to like a Pendlebury, but so Jordan de Gooey only eighty one minutes time on ground, so it was just to tick under seventy percent game time and it was a thirty seventy mid forward split. Looking at him, he had his seventh most impact from ball use over his last five years, just the fourth time in his career went over fifteen disposals, four hundred meters gained and three goals. So look, I think that aging veteran list of Collingwood injuries do build up. But I think managing these players and giving de Gooey and Pendlebury a short spell, whether that be over a couple rounds or in game, they're going to be not only critical to the wins and lost column, but their finals chances.

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Speaker 4: Just before we let you go, Corey that the Hawks were pretty disappointing against GWS last week. Is there anything that's jumped out at you ahead of this clash against Estenon on Friday night?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the one thing that should be on the Bombers whiteboard. Is that how gettable Hawthorne have been at a defensive fifty stoppage since the start of last year.

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Speaker 2: So looking since the started last year.

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Speaker 8: Hawthorne conceded sixty eight scoring shots from a defensive fifty stoppage, which sat them sixteenth in the competition. They got bailed out a bit by opposition in accuracy and look at the game against GWRS on the weekend again they conceded another four scoring shots from that part of the ground. So I think you know, whether it be personal or system, it's an area that the Bombers could look to exploit on Friday night.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything going in the hawks favor in terms of having played the week before? What do we see now over these opening round into round one transitions when a team comes in against a fresh team that hasn't played yet.

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Speaker 8: A bit of a quirky one kind of looking at it today. So there's only been six games across opening round socide of what two years ago, So the six winners have gone on to win, yeah, in round one, so there's six and zero the opening round winners the following week in round one, So not sure how that doesn't obviously read too well for Hawthorne, but yeah, just something quirky.

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Speaker 4: There you go, Tipsters. Looks like you're pretty safe going with the opening round winners this week. Well, thanks for coming in, Corey. Really appreciate your time and hopefully we'll be able to get you on throughout the season with the champion data. But thanks very much for adding a bit of concrete evidence to our podcast. Thank you.

00:21:32
Speaker 7: Now it's back to Ed, Dan and Jay.

00:21:38
Speaker 4: There's been a few non typical pregame traditions that clubs have introduced in recent seasons, and opening round we had a look at Saint Kilda's new thing, the Knock Knock. Now, Dan, can you give us your fan perspective on how that went? Nick Revolt was involved in it. I caught some of it up in the up in the media box, but was caught out a bit by the timing of it. What do you think did it set the right tone for the out of the game.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think if you step back and say, look at eighty two thousand people the game and obviously a lot of huge support from Collingwood for Collingwood as always, but you know, I think leaving the results one side, secularb a competitive It was a broadly successful night for this football club as a collective. In terms of that particular moment, I was sort of I have hugely strong feelings about it. I think it was look the knocknockers that have grown as a bit of a you know, knock knock who's there and no one who just for those wanning You know, I don't quite get it. I didn't hate it. I'm not a I'm not a massive sort of mash.

00:22:35
Speaker 2: Day experienced guy. Generally, I don't love all that.

00:22:39
Speaker 4: Love being told to make some noise, make some noise, no, I thought.

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Speaker 6: Having said that, I think that one sort of makes a degree of sense, like they're sort of leaning into something that's already part of the culture. It's not as though they're sort of trying to create something out of nothing. I think Essendon and I've seen are going to ramp up the jacket waving again. You know, it's not it's based in something that's already organic and you just sort of trying to sort of augmented I suppose amplify it. I mean the Saints led into the goal songs for players.

00:23:09
Speaker 2: Now, if you're going to have music between goals. I prefer to have.

00:23:12
Speaker 6: I prefer you have the player ones, the individual player ones. But I'm going to die this yell. Music between goals is bad, bad for football?

00:23:21
Speaker 3: What about Charlie Cameron bad for football? You don't like Country Road? No, the only person Australia thinks Country Roads are bad.

00:23:27
Speaker 6: Oh, the song's fine, but I don't like. I'm not a big fan. I think there's we lose a lot.

00:23:31
Speaker 4: Now.

00:23:31
Speaker 6: I get it probably works in Brisbane and they tapped into the moment there and don't wrong.

00:23:35
Speaker 2: I know the Lions fans love.

00:23:36
Speaker 6: It, so I'm not asking Lions fans to agree with me here, but I think as a collective we lose the natural sounds of the game, the build up, the gradual rise and then the gradual decrease and the hum of between goals, particularly in a big game, a big Grand Final like I'm trying to think back was Charlie camerickick one late in the twenty three Grand Final.

00:23:57
Speaker 4: And his song Country Road played just before the start of the second quarter, I think Jay and then Charlie went on a heater, kicked a couple of goals in five minutes and Eddie McGuire was very cranky that they played his song before he got in a role. But I don't think there were goal songs in that Grandpa.

00:24:10
Speaker 6: I know this is very yeah, maybe the last couple. I know this is very old man media of me to to borrow a line from for my son's great but yeah, I'm not a general fan of that.

00:24:22
Speaker 5: I interviewed Dan Gorange, She's my Dan Gorange story for his draft that year I did for some of my thirty interviews and series Thank You, Daniel, that was by far the most boring iver.

00:24:34
Speaker 4: He didn't call you a muppet rat.

00:24:36
Speaker 3: He sat there.

00:24:37
Speaker 5: It was the most flat and this interesting interview I've ever had in my entire life. Now I quite enjoy what Daniel does, but I'm like, where was the personality back then, Dan? Because my interview was crap because it was such a it was such a one dimensional interview. So he's come to life since then, and I enjoy a lot of his gags.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: But he played a straight back to me back in the day, smart me.

00:25:00
Speaker 4: Would have been extremely nervous in the presence of he.

00:25:02
Speaker 3: Would have been. Tommy Libertory also didn't give me much that year.

00:25:06
Speaker 5: From anyway, I digress the thing on the crowd, with the crowd fan engagement, I think there's a big gap between the best and worse. I love port Adelaid's Never Tear Us Apart. I love the Charlie Cameron thing. So you've got to know your fan base, You've got to know what's worked for them. So I think the research, the research like at Joel is typically a really quieter crowd, right, so maybe it doesn't fly as well for them, and you needed to be sort of in taste and what your fan wants.

00:25:32
Speaker 3: So I think the club's.

00:25:33
Speaker 5: Doing the research with their own fan base about what they want is important in the whole thing.

00:25:37
Speaker 6: Look, I think the other thing is we are not the target market. We're going to go to the footy regardless. We're heavily invested, and you've got to you've got to remember that they are trying to target the next generation of people that aren't necessarily you know, to kids and those who were sort of take a passing interest in the game and to try to bring them back, and some of those things are the types that low people.

00:26:02
Speaker 2: In all beat.

00:26:02
Speaker 6: I think the game is high quality enough, but it should be able to stand on its own two feet.

00:26:06
Speaker 3: I think Sidney do something distinctive.

00:26:07
Speaker 5: They've got a DJ playing for two hours before the game, which is you know, I quite like that.

00:26:11
Speaker 3: It's quite up vibe and interesting.

00:26:13
Speaker 5: And then you know, the Sweet Caroline I think really works for them.

00:26:17
Speaker 6: You know, that's just not enough Sweet Carolina at sporting events, I think historically just chronically underplayed song.

00:26:24
Speaker 4: What I do like is that the Lions fans commitment to seeing country Road. Even in one of the most high octane, high scoring games like the one against the Bulldogs on Saturday night, they were still singing as the Bulldogs were kicking goals, like they hadn't finished their goals on yet. So that just stuck with it.

00:26:37
Speaker 6: I wonder if they, you know, and eventually things will turn for the lines and say, Charlie is still playing, and if they have a twelve gold of feet and Charlie puts one through, you know, to narrow the margin to seventy five points the twenty six minute market the final term whether as we quit, be there as much enthusiasm.

00:26:55
Speaker 4: In a pretty strong position at the moment that happening. Well, Dan, I did want to ask you before we go. I'm a cricket Nay, I watch a lot of cricket. Is it bad that I had no idea who Cole mcconchi was when he rolled out in the semi final, took a couple of wickets, put South Africa on their Backsidem.

00:27:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you a bad person. I'm glad you me Kulpa.

00:27:16
Speaker 6: No, he's one of the more obscure members of the New Zealand side, but he's come along nicely. And it was another case of so new year, but so far for the black Caps, who continually punch above their weight. But I couldn't quite get it done against the might have Beendura in the final.

00:27:31
Speaker 4: Gay a question without notice, not about cricket. Who is the Cole mcconchi of the AFL, who's on a list at the moment that people haven't spent a lot of time thinking about who could have a big year?

00:27:41
Speaker 5: Well, we were scrambling to get the right pronunciation of Zay Zachostelski last week.

00:27:49
Speaker 3: I wasn't quite across that.

00:27:52
Speaker 5: I won't get into the origins of my own surname, which started with zed for about ten period, for ten years of my childhood. I'm I'm familiar a spinoff podcast here, Maybe let's exclude that part. But Zane Zakostelski I think was someone who we had to get across quite quickly, so he has the potential to become a real cult figure for the Brisbane Lines.

00:28:17
Speaker 3: I think.

00:28:18
Speaker 4: Great break some exclusive news on this podcast from Jay Zakostelsi Clark.

00:28:22
Speaker 3: It is a long, long story that one.

00:28:25
Speaker 4: We'll pull out a special at some point on that one. Thanks very much for joining us, guys. Going to be a fantastic round one. You can follow all our coverage on the Herald Sun and Code Sports websites.