00:00.35
Talal K
It's all good. um But yeah, we're never actually just get some water.

00:19.89
Talal K
Okay. Whenever you're ready, mate.

00:25.38
alexei sayle
okay hi everybody and welcome to episode 118 of the alexis l podcast we are in week two i guess of the uh us and israeli uh uh strikes on um iran and also of course uh southern uh southern lebanon the becca valley and parts of crystal palace um

00:45.60
Talal K
Lebanon.

00:56.06
alexei sayle
interesting developments. I mean, I think it's really interesting, I mean, it's um it's really interesting, I think, how this war has gone.

01:07.52
alexei sayle
And I also think it really highlights how um even more than the israeli genocide in a way how our media are self-censoring so from the websites or the podcasts or whatever the videos that i have looked at of people i trust and particularly ah richard medhurst at electronic intifada and um but also John Mearsheimer, Professor John Mearsheimer the University of Chicago, also talking to Chris Hedges.

01:43.73
alexei sayle
The situation, it seems to me, which is being completely under-reported in or not completely not reported in the western Western media, is that the Iranians have taken out all of, and this is what Richard Medhay has certainly said, have taken out all of um ah the US s forward...

02:09.62
alexei sayle
radar stations in the Gulf country. So that these are radar stations that essentially are the front line of Israel's Iron Dome defences.

02:21.84
alexei sayle
And it just, you know, the it I mean, the way that this these bought and paid for, these analysts that they have on the BBC and Sky, just they're not, you know, it not reporting the...

02:35.06
alexei sayle
the situation so So this is my understanding. The Iranians have taken out all these forward radar bases. So the the Iron Dome, there obviously the Iron Dome is also, they're using half million dollar missiles to shoot down

02:54.39
Talal K
Mm-hmm.

02:55.87
alexei sayle
And their stocks are being rapidly deported. And there are ah There are not reports, but it's genuinely true that the the United States is shifting THAADs, air Air Defense Missile Systems, from South Korea. They're shifting them by C-17 galaxies, by aircraft from South Korea to the Middle East to protect israel That the Iran is, and this um lots of people warn that this would happen, that Iran is using low costs um low-cost missiles, low-cost drones to to financially and materially deplete the air defences of Israel, of the Gulf Emirates and of...

03:38.92
Talal K
Right.

03:40.19
alexei sayle
ah United States forces and that they are being rapidly depleted and they've also blinded the eyes and ears. I know that the and also what's not been reported is that there's a massive clampdown in Israel on um anybody who shows any imagery of damage, I think, will be arrested and instead could be sentenced up to five years in one of the Israel's lovely prisons which i'm sure are bad even for israelis um and uh there are i think um um believable reports that the damage in israel itself is massive and likely to get bigger that and also that i mean there was a rumor went around i think that's not that wasn't true that

04:09.11
Talal K
Maybe.

04:25.99
alexei sayle
um ah Netanyahu's brother had been killed and Smotrich, one of the two, I mean, where do you go with the evil upper echelons of the Israeli state, but Smotrich, one of the two far-right ministers, that his his son had been killed. And it's certainly true that his son has been quite gravely injured.

04:47.81
alexei sayle
You know, the Israelis, as they have done it and did in Gaza, are underreporting massively that the deaths of their forces, I think. And so, you know, there's, you know, I don't know whether you could say that israel that Iran is actually winning this war, but it's certainly staying in the fight. And that, you know, this, obviously this um involves, you know, it's not without cost that involves massive suffering for the Iranian people and, you know, Iranian infrastructure, but that they have thought long and hard about how to,

05:22.50
alexei sayle
um resist their resist this, isn't what they believe i think thought was probably an and inevitability, which is an attack on on Iran by Israel and the United States.

05:34.27
alexei sayle
And they've got multiple levels of kind of autonomous command. So you kill and as many levels of leadership as you want, but they're still able to um fire missiles and also mine the Strait of Hormuz.

05:39.29
Talal K
Yep.

05:49.07
alexei sayle
you know, at a kind of a local level that there are independent commanders, you know, not undetectable, I think, also to Israeli surveillance who can who who can do this, really. So it's, you know, week two, it it's it's horrific.

06:05.13
alexei sayle
But in a way, mean, I saw somewhere in a way, can't remember what it was, but somebody writing it in a way, i mean, again, you sometimes get, you know, you see in the comments people, you know, if you criticise the,

06:20.01
alexei sayle
regime in Iran, you know, you are aiding genocide or whatever. I mean, you know, you cannot particularly... One cannot support the the regime in Iran.

06:32.24
alexei sayle
You know, say they are right-wing in themselves, right-wing the theocratic regime, you know, who murdered, you know, communists and socialists in huge numbers in after the after Revolution of 79.

06:38.47
Talal K
Mm-hmm.

06:46.10
alexei sayle
But, on the other hand, they are... They have thought about this, and they are, in a way, if they can defeat this onslaught, they're doing... heard that i had a fucking stupid fucking arsehole spokesman for Israel, former head of Labour Friends of Israel, David Mentzer, who's a cretin of of gigantic proportions looks like it as well.

07:10.00
alexei sayle
Sometimes some of these people don't look...

07:10.16
Talal K
Yep.

07:11.76
alexei sayle
He looks like a fucking arsehole. And he is and stupid and arrogant and an idiot. But I'd say at the end of some interview on Radio 4 with him saying, you know, we're doing this, Israel's doing this for Western civilization.

07:25.45
alexei sayle
you know ah No, Iran is doing this for Western civilization.

07:26.78
Talal K
yeah

07:29.92
alexei sayle
If at this point they can turn back the AI-aided um international rules-destroying force of Israel and the United States,

07:44.81
alexei sayle
making them think again after their successes in what they think of their successes in Gaza and the West Bank and southern Lebanon. If we can make, if Iran can make them think again by using asymmetrical warfare, then Iran is doing a favor for all of us in the Western democracies and inverted commas.

08:04.34
Talal K
Yeah.

08:08.13
alexei sayle
And so, you know, yeah, and it is, you know, it's...

08:08.25
Talal K
They'll set a new precedent, really.

08:14.94
alexei sayle
So, yeah, so I mean, that's that's that's my analysis of of other people's analysis. There's obviously went, and I think that Trump was probably, well, Trump was argued into it by Netanyahu, and who I suspect knows how to manipulate him.

08:30.44
alexei sayle
And also the hundreds of million dollars that he's been given by pro-Israel fanatics like Miriam Adelson, you know, and also this is, you know, I think the Trump family now has extensive business dealings in Israel.

08:30.53
Talal K
Hmm.

08:45.03
alexei sayle
So he's been bribed to do this, but he's also been kind of smooth-talked into And I wonder if he's feeling resentful now because... Netanyahu, he has not been delivered the swift a victory that he thought he was going to get.

09:03.50
alexei sayle
Only 20% of the United States population are for it. I mean, the the figures must be much lower here, I imagine, for old Starmer's fucking grotesque posturing. And so, you know, with the war goes on, really, and it's... it's ah the the

09:23.23
Talal K
Starmer hasn't folded as you might have expected him to, to the degree, right, that you might have expected him to.

09:29.86
alexei sayle
hasn't he? Well, I mean, he hasn't joined in the war, you mean.

09:32.86
Talal K
Yeah.

09:33.65
alexei sayle
He's letting them use the air bases, though.

09:36.34
Talal K
He did fold on that, didn't he? At first he said he wouldn't, and then he backtracked, as you would expect from Starmer, he went back on his word.

09:38.08
alexei sayle
Yeah.

09:41.99
alexei sayle
Yeah, but it's also this, you know, Sarah Sackman, for instance, the pro-Israel fanatic who did a training, illegal training and a lot of illegal training in Israel, who is now our courts minister and has just been instrumental in banning the Al-Quds march.

09:58.85
alexei sayle
How somebody can, you know, have, i you know, i mean, somebody explain to me how this this devotion to another country that isn't that isn't your country, how that is not treason, really.

10:12.12
alexei sayle
Like the 2000, at least 2000 men, mostly men, I think, in British men who have fought, who have been in in part of the genocide in the last three years.

10:22.71
Talal K
Yeah.

10:22.87
alexei sayle
How how fighting for in the army of a foreign government isn't, treason And like I saw Lindsey Graham, the Republican senator, saying, you know, he's all in for Israel. Israel is is is his number one.

10:37.80
alexei sayle
That's treason. Isn't that treason?

10:38.97
Talal K
Yeah.

10:39.74
alexei sayle
you know Explain to me how that isn't treason.

10:40.12
Talal K
yeah

10:42.80
alexei sayle
So um forgot I forgot what was talking about. by Apart from the you know the there's all those vile pro-Israel supporters. you know And if you support Israel, you support genocide, you support ethnic cleansing, you support apartheid.

10:56.86
Talal K
you Yeah, you you were talking about the approval rating in the US.

11:00.90
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, so the approval rating. I mean, even though... the Starmer government still trying to be kind of reform a pound shop. Reform, ah you know, is striking these belligerent kind of militaristic posturing. and Yeah, that's right. Sarah Sackman ah refused to condemn. She said, you know the killing of the murder of the the girls in the girls' school in Madib. That was just, you know, some shit that happens. But she condemned...

11:33.17
alexei sayle
Iranian attacks on civilians and that it's just extraordinary hypocrisy. Just breathtaking, I think.

11:42.49
Talal K
So it is weird that... to to So so if if the mainstream news isn't covering ah the damage that Iran is doing to Israel and to you know American

11:56.12
alexei sayle
hmm.

12:02.50
Talal K
bases around the region and stuff, if they're not covering that to a full extent, then surely that would just garner more sympathy for Iran. If you're just all you're showing is...

12:12.49
alexei sayle
I guess, yeah.

12:12.89
Talal K
Or you're showing the public is the bombardment of of Tehran and and iran Iranian land.

12:17.17
alexei sayle
Maybe.

12:19.45
Talal K
um

12:19.46
alexei sayle
I guess. i and yeah it's ah it's a I don't know. It's i mean it's just kind of it's militaristic kind of glorification, isn't it, to say, look at the...

12:27.48
Talal K
Yes, but that does that only flies with a certain group.

12:27.59
alexei sayle
the mighty power of of the West. But also they're saying, oh yeah, the the the number of missiles it has reduced. you know I mean, the clearly the Iranians are i still have a huge stockpile of missiles and are using them, yeah deploying them.

12:43.74
Talal K
Yeah, like you...

12:46.51
alexei sayle
and And they also, I think they haven't started yet using their hypersonic missiles. And my understanding is the Quram Shah 4,

12:51.00
Talal K
This.

12:55.00
alexei sayle
is unshootable down even by something like a THAAD system. It can't be shut down even by Dome David Zarrow whatever the fucking term they use.

13:05.58
Talal K
Jesus. Yeah, they've been saving the good stuff, is what some people are saying.

13:07.50
alexei sayle
um Yeah, and those things are then gonna be directed towards Israel and will cause tremendous destruction.

13:18.91
alexei sayle
That is my understanding, I think my understanding of the of the Iranian strategy.

13:21.15
Talal K
Mm-hmm. So, yeah, Iran has had decades to think about and plan what they would do under these circumstances.

13:27.00
alexei sayle
Yeah, yes, yes.

13:30.17
Talal K
And you can't imagine Israel and America really planning that far ahead. Anything they fucking do, they're so unpredictable.

13:35.59
alexei sayle
No, this is... Well, the Israelis do. I mean, the Israelis do. and the israelis I mean, the Israelis are... all the israelis want to do is is what they call the dahia doctrine after the the southern beirut suburbs which is the the power base of hezbollah that they just want to do what they did in gaza really which is just flatten it and either kill or completely destroy the the support base for hezbollah in southern lebanon and they are they don't you know they are they don't

14:05.50
Talal K
why are they bombing residential buildings in Beirut then in in central Beirut the last least

14:09.12
alexei sayle
I think there were some so sometimes there's some Iranians there sometimes there isn't I think it but it's just a general murderousness they just want to they just want to destroy anybody who can stand up to them really and they don't care if they kill children they don't care if they kill women they don't care if they kill civilians they are in fact they they intentionally I think want to kill civilians

14:31.12
Talal K
yeah And they're the ones with the stockpiles of actual nukes.

14:36.10
alexei sayle
I mean that's the other question yeah

14:36.22
Talal K
Not plans, not ability to create nukes, stockpiles of hundreds of them.

14:41.70
alexei sayle
Yep, yep.

14:42.17
Talal K
And I worry about, you know, what they would do in their diet in their death flails, you know.

14:48.10
alexei sayle
Yeah, again, I saw another, um yeah some, you know, expert on Sky saying, you know, what about nuclear weapons?

14:49.36
Talal K
It's terrifying.

14:54.98
alexei sayle
Oh, no, the Americans you know use nuclear weapons, not acknowledging that Israel has nuclear weapons and that theyre those nutters are much more likely to use them. Yes, I think it's a real, it's a real possibility.

15:09.40
Talal K
And yes, it is possible to recognize and be horrified by the illegal a bombardment and war on Iran, whilst at the same time recognizing the the horror... the the bad side of the Iranian regime and that they're not fucking lovely, cuddly teddy bears.

15:26.00
alexei sayle
Absolutely, yeah. They are.

15:29.10
Talal K
They've been bad to their people and they will continue to do so.

15:31.87
alexei sayle
Yeah, and they're religious.

15:32.30
Talal K
But this any war is unnecessary and illegal, especially this one, I mean, and um they were fucking provoked first.

15:33.37
alexei sayle
for

15:41.04
Talal K
So like it is possible if you have more than two brain cells to hold both thoughts in your head.

15:41.55
alexei sayle
Yes, absolutely.

15:45.60
Talal K
Like you can hate the Assad regime and hate the current you know fanatics that are running Syria at the same time.

15:51.75
alexei sayle
Absolutely, exactly. And that's what we do on this podcast.

15:53.95
Talal K
And like you can know that in your head, yeah, UAE and these Gulf states deserve not to feel like they're the safe zone in the Middle East. And while at the same time recognizing that there are victims, you know, everyday people everywhere, you know, you should be able to maintain these thoughts in your head, like some of the comments we get in our YouTube.

16:08.71
alexei sayle
Yeah. Some of those, some of the people that's not, yeah.

16:12.74
Talal K
Fucking shocking, man.

16:15.36
alexei sayle
Well, that's yeah.

16:15.48
Talal K
Find myself debating these people and then deleting my comments because I shouldn't. This is where I get to talk and they can talk in the comments as much as they want, but fucking hell.

16:23.20
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:24.18
Talal K
And...

16:24.62
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, that's ah it's ah it's a depressing aspect of human nature, that a kind of behavior, isn't it? That kind of Manichaean splitting of the world into good and evil in his is what we're fighting against.

16:33.91
Talal K
Yeah. And also, let me just say one thing.

16:36.88
alexei sayle
Us on the left are fighting against, yeah.

16:39.22
Talal K
to some of those keyboard warriors out there, I'm Syrian. I'm allowed to have my opinions on Syria. And you can't really come at me for that.

16:46.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:48.78
Talal K
I'm allowed to have my fucking opinions.

16:49.71
alexei sayle
meh and I'm grateful because you take a lot of the heat from me really.

16:51.06
Talal K
And I'm not an... i don't Yeah. It's like, fuck off.

16:56.64
alexei sayle
They hate you more than they hate me. ah ah Yeah, absolutely.

16:58.58
Talal K
And what I say here, I'm not writing down in a in a book. I'm just spitballing with Alexei. I'm allowed to share my thoughts. People telling me that I shouldn't talk. Fuck off.

17:08.63
alexei sayle
yeah yeah

17:11.27
Talal K
Although this is the Alexi Sale podcast, not the Alexi Talal podcast. But yeah, I do worry about the what Israel would do if they were very if they were truly, when they get to that point, that they're truly frightful, what they're going to do with those fucking nukes, man.

17:16.18
alexei sayle
No, well, I'm i'm grateful.

17:23.96
alexei sayle
Absolutely. I'm grateful to you for taking those digital bullets from me. You're flinging your body into into the path.

17:30.13
Talal K
That's my honor and my duty, comrade. have to protect the spokesperson of the movement.

17:34.65
alexei sayle
Thank you.

17:38.10
alexei sayle
Thank you. So I guess, yeah, that's that's our report from week two of the Iran-Israel-US

17:48.49
Talal K
Hmm.

17:48.98
alexei sayle
war. Interesting development today, I think. There is a Again, let's talk about censorship. There is a guy called Rafi Berg, who is the BBC's... He was in charge of the Middle East content for the BBC. He's a kind of gatekeeper through through whom all Middle East comment goes, I understand it and He is... he's written he wrote a book about Mossad, I think. He has letters of commendation from Netanyahu. Now, Owen Jones wrote about...

18:25.02
alexei sayle
this and said that, you know, that Berg was the reason why the coverage on the BBC of the Israeli genocide had been so poor, had been so one-sided, i.e.

18:40.76
alexei sayle
not acknowledging Israel's genocidal behavior, war crimes. And Rafi Berg then sued Owen Jones for libel, which is very unusual for a journalist to um sue another journalist for libel. In fact, the last time it was done was John Ware who did that highly partial, I think, his Labour anti-Semitic

19:08.38
Talal K
Hmm.

19:08.57
alexei sayle
ah ah panorama documentary just before the 2019 general election, and um very very with some very distorted contributions, I think.

19:21.61
alexei sayle
And um paddy he sued Paddy French and ah French lost not to pay £90,000 damages. I don't think that that would happen now ah in the changed climate.

19:33.37
Talal K
Hmm. was

19:36.50
alexei sayle
that

19:37.30
Talal K
Should I read you a bit this article on it?

19:39.19
alexei sayle
Yeah, go ahead.

19:40.50
Talal K
Owen Jones claims victory in key part of BBC libel case over Gaza. This is from The National, Scotland's The National. Is that a creditable

19:50.46
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think so.

19:50.52
Talal K
a

19:51.02
alexei sayle
I don't know.

19:52.36
Talal K
publication? BBC Middle East editor Rafi Berg sued Owen Jones, a columnist for The National and The Guardian, for libel over an article in which he accused the broadcaster of being biased against Palestinians in their coverage of the Gaza genocide. Berg has pledged to continue his case after the High Court made an interim ruling which supported Jones's argument that the allegations of bias were a statement of ah of opinion.

20:19.26
Talal K
Okay, they didn't side with him to say he was right, but they said he's allowed his opinion. um In a statement after the High Court ruling, Owen Jones tweeted... I am delighted that the High Court has ruled in my favour on the key issues in the libel case brought forward by Raffy Berg. The court rejected the claimant's interpretation of the article and ruled that it expressed an opinion based on stated material. I stand by my journalism and mr if Mr Berg decides to continue the libel claim, I look forward to defending my article in court.

20:57.85
Talal K
In the piece, Jones reported that BBC staff had told him Berg plays a key role in a wider BBC culture of systemic Israeli propaganda.

21:10.20
Talal K
The editor reshapes everything from headlines to story text to images and repeatedly seeks to foreground the Israeli military perspective. So is this when you keep seeing these posts about how the language, just little details, but has this subconscious...

21:22.74
alexei sayle
yeah yeah yes exactly yes mysteriously there yeah yeah yeah

21:26.01
Talal K
It's like Israeli soldiers are killed, whereas Palestinian children die, you know, as if by this mysterious power that no one can understand. They just die. Whereas one Israeli soldier killed, 400 children died.

21:39.96
Talal K
um Which has this, to the layman, I suppose, you know, the lay person who's not invested in this, as many of us are, they just see those words and it soaks in and

21:44.25
alexei sayle
subconscious effect yeah

21:52.60
alexei sayle
Yeah, people just read the headlines often. yeah um Yes, and well, Owen Jones says that it's down to Rafi Berg and who are we two. and note that Rafi Berg is being used as his solicitor, Mark Lewis of Patreon Law.

22:12.07
alexei sayle
Mark Lewis is a founder of UK Lawyers for Israel. is a pro-Israel fanatic himself, therefore is a fanatic for, if you support, if you're a fanatic for Israel, you're a fanatic for genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid.

22:27.38
alexei sayle
And he is also, he's a brother of Martin Lewis, of course, a money-saving expert, but he is also the one who stood up and complained at a Reg Hunter gig and sued Reg for...

22:41.10
Talal K
Reginald D Hunter.

22:44.92
alexei sayle
li but I think it was for libel, along with the campaign against anti-Semitism. You can get just get me the details of that case. And was dragged through poor regs.

22:53.08
Talal K
Dragged him through over a year of

22:57.98
alexei sayle
As they say, the pre and the process is the punishment. I think Paul Regis dragged through years. of and But the judge's um summation, of you can you get that up?

23:09.79
alexei sayle
the judge's What the judge said when he threw out the case about the campaign against anti-Semitism and Mark Luth.

23:18.94
Talal K
Yep. The judge, Michael Snow...

23:21.11
alexei sayle
mark luce

23:23.00
Talal K
ah ruled that the CAA campaign against anti-semitism was seeking to use the criminal justice system for improper reasons. The CAA have demonstrated by the misleading and partial way in which it summarized its application and its willful repeated failure to meet its disclosure obligations that its true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Reginald Hunter is to have him cancelled.

23:52.79
Talal K
I have no doubt that the prosecution, I'll do my judge voice, that the prosecution is abusive, Judge Snow added.

24:01.56
alexei sayle
yeah i mean that that should have been headline fucking news around britain but was really buried i think only the guardian briefly called but that is a such a swinging condemnation of the campsmen all right all right all right

24:01.66
Talal K
and there's There's more.

24:11.29
Talal K
well That was a fair play. That was a BBC headline. Judge Quash's anti-Semitism case. um

24:24.53
Talal K
Yep, our lawyers Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah and They fucking wasted everyone's time with that And yeah, Mark Lewis said about the Rafi Berg situation He said the the judgment is an interim finding rather than a final determination Which is true Instead of posting on social media

24:29.98
alexei sayle
Mark Lewis was the...

24:48.19
Talal K
poking a barb there at Owen Jones. We will continue to proceed through the court. So they're not going to back down according to Mr. Lewis. Oh.

24:58.98
alexei sayle
No, well, again, they they try and make it, even if, you know, theyre they they have extensive funds, obviously, and they they just tie you up in this shit for years. And even if they lose, like poor Reg, they really they make your life a misery, really. And it's it's vexatious, I think.

25:18.30
alexei sayle
um but so But I i think I enjoy this.

25:20.84
Talal K
That's the big tool these guys have, man.

25:21.11
alexei sayle
Yeah.

25:22.68
Talal K
you know

25:23.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.

25:23.83
Talal K
i have a friend, a good friend who has a YouTube channel about conspiracy theories and he basically just points out how silly the they are and these people who promote them, flat earthers and people think that you Les cameras have fucking cancer radars in them and stuff like that. I don't know. um And he constantly is fighting against their attacks.

25:50.25
Talal K
And, you know, when we have shows together, if they find out, they call in bomb threats. Like we've had to cancel shows because of bomb threats.

25:57.82
alexei sayle
This is the Israel lobby or this is just conspiracy nutters.

25:59.48
Talal K
No, this is no, this is this is like conspiracy nuts.

26:03.58
alexei sayle
Right.

26:03.67
Talal K
But, you know, there is an overlap. um

26:06.39
alexei sayle
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

26:08.25
Talal K
And you know that but um ah now he's tied up in this massive court case, which is so clearly a massive waste of everyone's time, but it just it is such a hindrance to him, my friend, and it's causing him such anxiety and stress.

26:14.72
alexei sayle
With who?

26:17.82
alexei sayle
Yeah. yeah

26:25.44
Talal K
you know That's the punishment alone, that's the damage.

26:26.01
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. It is.

26:28.82
Talal K
Doesn't really matter what the court says in the end.

26:30.39
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

26:33.98
Talal K
Plus, if you're famous, you get the headlines and stuff that will besmirch your reputation.

26:37.98
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, Mark Lewis is... I mean, Mark Lewis was also in um involved in the Peter Newborn case that the academic who was in Labour Against Anti-Semitism, a particularly crazy bunch of...

26:55.36
alexei sayle
Mostly non-Jews, particularly demented bunch... of but Paul Holden writes very well about them in The Fraud. But ah a Newborn actually killed himself in the end.

27:03.35
Talal K
Hmm. Hmm.

27:06.93
alexei sayle
But part of it... again um I mean, I think that that other people have been encouraging him to go on with his... He was trying to sue Michael Rosen, I think, and in the end. And the only... Somebody's saying, the only convey oddly, the only person... the only person he was He was being egged on by all these Zionists.

27:26.90
alexei sayle
The only person who actually kind of took any care of him, who was worried about Professor Newborn, was... Michael Rosen himself, the man who New Bond was trying to sue.

27:41.77
Talal K
Right.

27:42.90
alexei sayle
It was over this, New Bond had altered this Michael Rosen book, know, Jeremy reading, you know, we're going on a Jew hunt, that one. lookdo It was a scandal. Anyway, but poor Michael Rosen was worried about New Bond. It was horrible, fucking They're like, what, Tracey Ann Oberman and Rachel Riley and that crowd instituted a Peter Newbon annual award for fighting against antisemitism. I don't know exactly what called, but I know it's named after Peter Newbon.

28:17.40
alexei sayle
And Newbon's widow pleaded with them not to do it, but they they don't listen. And they don't, you know, anybody they will sacrifice anybody for their cause.

28:30.30
alexei sayle
evil cause

28:36.09
Talal K
Well, yes, that is their tactic. They are dastardly and devious folks.

28:39.68
alexei sayle
I

28:43.51
Talal K
And, um you know, they...

28:50.00
Talal K
You know, I can't decide if... Also, if if Israel wants to destroy arabic Arabs or steal all their... Well, steal all their culture and food.

29:00.47
alexei sayle
house ah think it's the answer.

29:03.42
Talal K
I went viral the yesterday.

29:05.59
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah.

29:06.55
Talal K
um which is a story I wanted to tell you.

29:09.40
alexei sayle
Go on then.

29:10.46
Talal K
um So i I was in central London on two days ago and doing a job, a little mini job.

29:22.19
Talal K
And um you know, the Oxford circus ah exit to the tube station where there's a little road that leads down to Carnaby conaby Street.

29:30.08
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.

29:34.84
alexei sayle
Yeah, yes, yes.

29:35.54
Talal K
and And there's that place, Walk to Walk there, that noodle bar.

29:38.20
alexei sayle
Right.

29:39.54
Talal K
And next to it, there's a new place called Zaman Shawarma. And it was brand new, sparkling. And they've got this chicken shawarma and, you know, little shawarma joint. And they had some social media people doing some promotional filming out the front.

29:57.27
Talal K
And I'm like, cool, shawarma in the heart of London, like right in oxford's Oxford Circus. And I went up to one of the staff and I noticed none of the staff looked Arabic to me.

30:12.73
Talal K
They were all South Asian. And um I asked him, hey man, ah is that have you got Arabic owners for this place? And I was wearing my red kufi at the time. I said, yeah, has this place got Arabic owners? And he said, oh, they're Mediterranean.

30:30.14
alexei sayle
Yeah, that Mediterranean does a lot of heavy lifting these days, doesn't it? Yeah.

30:34.14
Talal K
I said, where are they from? he said, oh, the owner is Israeli. And I scoffed the scoffiest scoff right in this guy's face and walked away. I didn't say another word.

30:45.37
Talal K
And then later on, on my way back, I went it did my job. And an hour later, I was coming back to the station and I thought, fuck it. I want to warn people about the place because, you know, I don't want people to get tricked.

30:57.40
Talal K
This is, you know, often you'll think something is Arabic or... And it's there's a deviousness there. So I filmed a little video of my face and the restaurant, oh, it's not even a restaurant, it's a takeaway, ah behind me.

31:12.95
Talal K
I just made a video telling that exact story of my interaction with that man. And I said, ah Zaman is an Arabic word. And Shawarma is an Arabic word and Arabic food. They haven't spent spelt pita right.

31:27.77
Talal K
You can order a pita and they have one T in the word pita as opposed to pita as it's supposed to be written.

31:31.93
alexei sayle
All right.

31:35.03
Talal K
um So I said, just avoid this place, boycott. And I might have wrongly accused the next door place, Walk to Walk, which is actually quite tasty noodle bar. I wrongly accused it of probably being under the same ownership, which I corrected in the caption under the video because they're actually Japanese and Dutch owned.

31:50.20
alexei sayle
Good.

31:53.17
Talal K
A big up Walk to Walk, sorry for besmirching you. um But yeah, I just posted that video up. I said, they're stealing our food, our wool language, our culture right here on Oxford Circus.

32:04.57
Talal K
Avoid this place, boycott. And I posted it. I don't have many followers. i have about 4,000 followers on Instagram.

32:12.76
Talal K
Cut to yesterday. i realized, oh shit, this is getting shared. i Loads. The video now has like 830 shares.

32:25.68
Talal K
830 reposts Over shares On people's stories and shit and the the video now has thousand views which is shocking to me I'm very proud of it though. Like, good. I'm glad the people obviously value this information because God knows I post so many like clips on my Instagram, funny clips and little jokes and stuff. And no one gives a shit about that. I promote my gigs on there, but I post this one thing that is actually like informative pro Palestine content.

33:00.70
Talal K
And it's just blown up seven over 70,000 views. I've never had anything like that in one day. um

33:09.85
Talal K
And you know, yesterday I had this commercial casting. I went for an audition. And I'm starting to think, shit, what do I do?

33:19.29
alexei sayle
ah

33:20.39
Talal K
It's right there on my page and it's the first post.

33:21.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

33:23.62
Talal K
And should I hide it for a few days? Like, and now I'm having these thoughts because i'm worried that so I might not get a job that I really need, you know, because they see that on my...

33:35.64
Talal K
these You get all these fucking complex thoughts worrying about work and stuff just because you're sharing your views.

33:36.47
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

33:42.22
Talal K
and But um that's wild. So if you're ever in central London, don't eat at Zaman. It's not genuine shawarma.

33:49.72
alexei sayle
No. It's Mediterranean.

33:51.77
Talal K
It's Israeli. Yeah, it's Mediterranean. That is a big warning when they say Mediterranean food.

33:57.27
alexei sayle
Yeah, it is, yeah.

34:03.36
Talal K
But it's a strange feeling ah to have that many eyes on you in such a short time. I feel exposed a little bit, but yeah, good on you guys.

34:15.45
Talal K
And someone very interesting followed me because of it, and I'm going to try and get him on the show. think you'll like him.

34:21.42
alexei sayle
Okay.

34:22.30
Talal K
Yeah.

34:23.20
alexei sayle
I suppose we should do it. We don't have to do this. We need still need to think of a guest for our Roundhouse Live podcast, don't we?

34:30.61
Talal K
Yes.

34:33.59
alexei sayle
We'll carry on that discussion afterwards. um I mean, this...

34:38.49
Talal K
Oh, and we have posted on the Patreon the second...

34:39.69
alexei sayle
Yeah.

34:43.38
Talal K
Little change of subject here. We posted on the Patreon the second edition of Alexei Reacts.

34:48.69
alexei sayle
Yes.

34:48.73
Talal K
ah This week you reacted to...

34:52.44
alexei sayle
motorbike routine from what we think is stuff.

34:57.40
Talal K
Probably stuff, maybe all new, but there it You're doing stand-up about the motorbikers. And a very nice little video. You quite enjoy doing those, don't you?

35:05.13
alexei sayle
Yeah, enjoyed I did i did enjoy it tremendously, yeah.

35:09.27
Talal K
What should we react to next, folks? Have your say.

35:11.36
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, yeah.

35:12.79
Talal K
ah Head to patreon.com forward slash AlexiSalePodcast. Support the show. Chuck us a couple quid every month. It goes a long way to keep the show going and keeping us in business. And you get to watch Alexi Reacts every week.

35:28.09
Talal K
What should we react to next? Please drop us a line. Drop me a message on the Patreon. Email alexisalepodcast.gmail.com. But most importantly, go to patreon.com forward slash...

35:38.84
Talal K
Alexi Sale podcast. I have a a question for you from the Patreon.

35:44.38
alexei sayle
All right, yeah, that's how we fill the time I forgot. Yeah.

35:47.67
Talal K
From Nip Nip Nip

35:52.25
Talal K
okay nippleless

35:52.73
alexei sayle
Not real name. Yeah.

35:54.24
Talal K
nippleless cage ah thereesa's

36:00.86
Talal K
Oh, I think he's written There Is A, but it's autocorrected to Teresa's.

36:04.09
alexei sayle
All right.

36:05.65
Talal K
There is a Radio 4 program called The Real Comedy Controllers, The Things That Made Us Laugh, with John Lloyd, Jimmy Mulville, Beryl Virtue, and Paul Jackson.

36:19.07
Talal K
Essentially, they reminisce about the good old days of comedy. Nipolis Cage would like to know your take on this group of people. within the context of BBC comedy and the wider world.

36:30.11
Talal K
You got any thoughts on that, Alexei?

36:31.19
alexei sayle
Yes, well, they're all i they all people.

36:31.60
Talal K
I have no idea.

36:34.32
alexei sayle
i mean, and um you know, i I have a great deal of disdain for a lot of people in in the comedy business. But John Lloyd, I think, although he he was one of the kind of Oxford generation, along with Angus and Rowan and Mellon Griff and all those people,

36:55.48
alexei sayle
I think John Lloyd was a real genius, really, that he was... you know, he was the producer of Blackadder, really, and um I mean, many other things, but really, not Nine O'Clock News.

37:08.15
Talal K
Not the nine o'clock news, Hitchkiker's Guide to the Galaxy Spitting Image.

37:13.34
alexei sayle
Yeah.

37:14.59
Talal K
QI.

37:14.84
alexei sayle
And he's, um I think he's really, he's a very good producer.

37:14.91
Talal K
Ah.

37:18.84
alexei sayle
I think he didn't, you when he got to the second series of Blackadder, he didn't, he made both Richard Curtis and Ben Elton rewrite and rewrite. Neither of them are people who, who will do that of their own volition. But I think he forced them. He made that show a lot better than it is. Who's the second one? And i've always always he's always been very nice to me, Lloydy. But I've got great affection for him.

37:44.84
Talal K
That's nice. Jimmy Mulville.

37:46.61
alexei sayle
Jimmy Mulville was also one of that generation. Jimmy Mulville actually went to our school, and he was actually head boy of Allsop Grammar School.

37:56.09
Talal K
Oh, you went to your school.

37:56.21
alexei sayle
a Yeah, but to ask you. And a couple of years below me, he's the founder of Hat Trick, which brought us Have I Got News For You?

37:59.33
Talal K
Yeah.

38:07.48
alexei sayle
and And I'd like to ask him why I haven't been offered asked to be on Have I Got News For You for 25 years. um but Now, jim i mean Jimmy, I don't know, Jimmy's ah a complicated individual, but... um you know, again, he's done, I mean, he started, I mean, he's working class, I mean, Liverpool Catholic family, quite difficult background, I think. um And he, you know, he went to Oxford, that say I think, at the same time as Lloydy and those people, but nevertheless, he is, he's made himself a big name and in comedy, really. So he had some of those advantages, because he went to Oxford, he, you know, he

38:49.88
alexei sayle
I often think like for a working class kid, when you, if you go to Oxford or Cambridge, it's a mixed, it's, it's a sort of way that they, inkle even though you're working class, you are the, the rites of passage that you go through at Oxford or Cambridge mean that you end up being anti-working class. It's a way of kind of, ten I don't know if this this sounds coherent, but it's a way of going to those two particular universities as a way of taking working class kids and making them subservient to the root to the power elite, really.

39:23.01
alexei sayle
And, you know, it's a well, you are it I think you never completely trust it you know, but, you I mean, you are, they allow you a seat at the table, you know, if you go to those universities and you conform.

39:23.88
Talal K
Oh, not even turning you into one of them.

39:38.19
alexei sayle
And so, you know, I think that Jimmy went through that process as well. I mean, it's an interesting topic in itself, that whole thing. you know and there's some mind i mean I've got a friend who's kids at Cambridge and and you know he's he's, I don't think, he's not going through that particular process. But that him certainly in my day, that seemed to me to be what, I mean, Oxford and Cambridge's primary duty was to just reinforce ah the power elite, the power of structures in our society.

40:11.51
alexei sayle
reinforced to take people from the ruling class and just to inject them new fresh generations into you know positions of power really which is what oxford and cambridge does but then it adds a secondary function which is to take bright intelligent working class kids and inculcate them into the power structures as well and make them give up their allegiance to their class you know so she kind of you know drop their accents and stuff like that and

40:41.69
Talal K
Who are who are the some of the exceptions to that?

40:45.23
alexei sayle
i don't know

40:46.98
Talal K
Heroes of Oxford and Cambridge.

40:48.28
alexei sayle
Okay. for Frank Cottrell Boyce, I suppose, is somebody who went to Oxford, but he's not really... You wouldn't call an establishment... mean, wouldn't you wouldn't at all call an establishment figure in. um But, ah you know, it's it was just it was it always struck me that that was a function of Oxford and Cambridge, really. So...

41:08.69
alexei sayle
You know, it takes it takes a lot of self-sacrifice.

41:09.08
Talal K
Still hoping to...

41:11.17
alexei sayle
It takes a lot of intelligence for somebody like Jimmy to get to Oxford and Cambridge. and you know and And, yeah, I think they never – I think there's a tension. I mean, it's an interesting idea. i would I think if you are somebody like that working-class person who gets to Oxford or Cambridge, you know there's always a slight sense that you're never quite one of them, you know.

41:31.86
alexei sayle
um And that's something I went through as well, I think. it do I think it was a difficult because, you know, when I became successful, you know, most of my friends were suddenly,

41:43.09
Talal K
Sting.

41:43.44
alexei sayle
yeah we aware well i you know, where people a lot of them were people from Oxford and Cambridge.

41:48.06
Talal K
a

41:49.23
alexei sayle
ah and ah you know there's that yeah I write about there's that scene in The Young Ones when we made them Bambi and I wasn't I'd pre-recorded my bit and I so i just came in for the studio stuff and I found you know that they'd got

41:56.72
Talal K
Bambi.

42:05.17
alexei sayle
that Mel, and I hadn't known this, Mel Smith, Griffith Jones, Ben Elton, Emma Thompson, Stephen Fry, and Hugh Laurie were all in the episode.

42:12.68
Talal K
Stephen Thry.

42:17.82
alexei sayle
And I said to Lisa, I said, well, I don't understand. I thought these people were the enemy. And they just said, no, that was just you. You thought they were the enemy.

42:28.21
alexei sayle
We think they're absolutely darling. And Stephen's made us muffins. And he's quoting Cicero for us in the lunch break and um uh

42:39.51
Talal K
They were the the heels of the episode, though.

42:43.99
alexei sayle
hey yeah true true they were they were that's true but um uh so um but but I did find myself in that position really where that you know and I've never it was always a it was always a

42:44.57
Talal K
They were like the villains of the episode, these posh twats, and they get their own.

43:01.71
alexei sayle
ah You know, i because i i did a i mean I did some stand-up about it, really, how you lose your you'd lose your tribe, really, and never completely find another. um

43:15.78
alexei sayle
So, yeah, so, Jimmy. e Beryl Birch, I don't know.

43:18.39
Talal K
still still way wait wait wait way but having said all that you're still waiting for that call for uh have i got news for you let's hope doesn't hear this podcast yes beryl virtue ah who died four years ago this show can't yeah

43:18.80
alexei sayle
She's the daughter of...

43:25.84
alexei sayle
have I gotten this you 25 years later? Yeah.

43:36.11
alexei sayle
ah yeah I thought she was dead. yeah because she's got a daughter. super virtue was I don't know. lot of people loved her, really. She was a comedy producer. and um

43:46.90
alexei sayle
ah Yeah, so obviously this is but it's Radio 4, isn't So it's a lot of archive stuff.

43:51.80
Talal K
Yeah.

43:52.17
alexei sayle
And paul jackson Paul Jackson, me and Paul Jackson and Lisa Mayer will be doing an event in Morecambe somewhere. I think, are you involved in that? I can't remember.

44:01.69
Talal K
No, watchwi which I'm confused about.

44:05.53
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, maybe we'll get you involved.

44:07.80
Talal K
But yes, he directed some Young Won stuff, didn't he?

44:09.51
alexei sayle
He produced... an aridge Well, he' just some he produced and directed, The Young Ones. And even when Jeff Parsons directed some of the episodes where Paul was the producer, Paul was the moving...

44:20.73
alexei sayle
Paul was the one who um made The Young Ones happen, essentially, really.

44:25.37
Talal K
a

44:25.98
alexei sayle
And I'm always eternally grateful to him for that. Was it two years ago we did Glastonbury with Paul and Lisa? you did the clips? Yeah.

44:36.18
Talal K
Must be two, maybe three.

44:39.90
alexei sayle
um So yeah, Paul, me and Paul and Lisa May will be appearing somewhere in Morecambe. God knows why. We're talking about The Young One sometime in July, I think.

44:54.36
alexei sayle
And yeah, I'm always going.

44:54.62
Talal K
he

44:55.67
alexei sayle
Paul went on to do other amazing things.

44:59.48
Talal K
Yes, he he produced The Ron Clark Story.

45:05.69
alexei sayle
What the hell is that?

45:08.19
Talal K
A drama film from 2006 starring Matthew Perry from

45:18.94
Talal K
Okay, well, there you Nippless Cage.

45:22.65
alexei sayle
Yeah, so you got we got a long answer out of

45:27.99
Talal K
Nikki said, it's not a question, an observation. Catching up and just listened to the Halloween D&D special. Not laughed so hard in ages. Brightened a rainy Monday. Thank you.

45:39.98
alexei sayle
that. You're just looking for people to support your side of the street on that debate.

45:43.29
Talal K
And then Bob responded, don't encourage them. Heaven forbid they might do another one.

45:49.03
alexei sayle
ah You've got another one planned, haven't you?

45:52.34
Talal K
ah ah ah Yes, it's coming.

45:53.90
alexei sayle
Another one in the works.

45:57.72
Talal K
um Right, don wanna hear do want to hear a bit of music?

46:01.98
alexei sayle
Yes.

46:03.43
Talal K
I've had two people send me songs in the past weeks. I'll go in order because this one Alex sent to me yonks ago, in a month ago, and I should have played it then.

46:16.15
Talal K
when it was a big when it were they were doing their launch, but forgive me, Alex hey alex Hay, composer, multi-instrumentalist and producer. Please forgive me, ah but this is when we've managed to get around to it. Hi, Alexi. Hi, Talal. Big fan, long-time listener. Emailing to let you know that my band, they're from Brighton, The Barstool Preachers, has just releaseed released a single called Pick a side, calling out artists afraid to use their platform to denounce the genocide in Gaza.

46:50.74
Talal K
It's a bratty, catchy number, and we're donating all proceeds to medical aid for Palestinians. And they're running a concurrent fundraiser.

47:04.10
Talal K
I hope you listen, hope you like it You can buy it from their band camp But let me play you like 30 seconds of it It's quite punky and loud Alright, so brace yourself

47:13.42
alexei sayle
Okay, all right.

47:29.43
Talal K
It took me a couple listens to win me over the in But I like this bit

48:04.70
Talal K
you amazing i

48:18.11
Talal K
That's the Barstool Preachers with Pick a Side.

48:19.89
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's all right. Yeah.

48:21.64
Talal K
Yeah, I didn't know what to think of it first because that intro is so kind of poppy.

48:22.84
alexei sayle
Yeah.

48:25.82
Talal K
But then he starts talking and I like the chorus is really catchy.

48:26.42
alexei sayle
nothing on that Yeah.

48:29.50
Talal K
You can support

48:30.30
alexei sayle
We were the man who stormed off, Stab, is that Radiohead?

48:33.27
Talal K
i My message to the guy, said, are you referring to Radiohead or Sleaford Mods there? Tommy Ork or Sleaford Mods? Is that what I said? Yeah. Or Darren Malakian. And

48:46.65
alexei sayle
A Sneaford Mod's been dubious.

48:46.68
Talal K
and Well, they kicked off, it was a couple years ago now, someone was waving a Palestine flag at their show. And I think, I might be misremembering, but he like grabbed the flag off the guy and threw it off so to the side of the stage.

49:00.94
Talal K
Said, that don't bring that stuff here.

49:01.18
alexei sayle
That's disappointing.

49:02.86
Talal K
It might've been a kufir or something. This isn't the place for that. you know We're just here to rock out, like that kind of vibe.

49:08.66
alexei sayle
Fuck that. Fuck you.

49:10.14
Talal K
But he did respond to me. i started writing this when I got back from work one day after reading about the Sleaford Mods incident. I was pretty fucked off because they were my they were my favorite band.

49:19.51
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, I was fond of Sleaford mods. at

49:23.74
Talal K
um

49:24.03
alexei sayle
I saw them as my bastard children, musical children, really.

49:26.52
Talal K
But hold on.

49:27.11
alexei sayle
Oh, sorry. Sorry.

49:28.98
Talal K
I know they have been pro-Palestine since.

49:31.86
alexei sayle
Right.

49:31.99
Talal K
But in that moment, they failed. So they were just trying to like keep politics out of their show. And they've they've since kind of gone back on that stance.

49:38.48
alexei sayle
right

49:41.40
alexei sayle
Well, Jesus, you know,

49:44.25
Talal K
Jesus says...

49:44.40
alexei sayle
this was the Jesus welcomes back a sinner. you know those are the the the d d d yeah The parable of the prodigal son tells us that you know he that has sinned, if he repents, then yes, you'll welcome him back thrice over. So we welcome you back to the fold, Sleaford Mons.

50:07.42
alexei sayle
Yes.

50:07.99
Talal K
Welcome back. So if you want to go and buy that single and the profits go to medical aid for Palestinians, go to the barstoolpreachers.bandcamp.com

50:09.13
alexei sayle
yeah

50:21.94
Talal K
and the song is called Pick a Side. um Also check them out. They're a cool band. Actually, I've clicked around their stuff and they're very, very cool. um All right. Track number two. Hmm.

50:36.03
alexei sayle
Yes.

50:38.42
Talal K
is a like the opposite, isn't it? I played you a little bit this earlier.

50:42.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

50:42.78
Talal K
ah Dear Alexian Talal, solidarity comrades. This is from the Banner Theatre. We were hoping... Oh, Sash at the Banner Theatre. We were hoping you might give a mention on your show...

50:56.66
Talal K
in support of the Birmingham bin strikers, one of the most important worker disputes in the UK today. You're both of course, welcome to do a dance combined with Marxist theory theory to this song on your social media.

51:12.18
Talal K
ah Oh, they're offering an interview with Banner Theatre if we're interested to talk to them about the Birmingham bin strikers. Now this is news to me, so forgive me for not being not being on the pulse there, comrade.

51:28.97
Talal K
it's a protest single backing the Birmingham bin strikers one year on power to the bin strikers unite for workers rights by banner theater released in partnership with unite for a workers economy ah and unite the union raises funds for Birmingham refuse workers who are refusing to work ah ah as strike enters its second year that's a long fucking strike man

51:50.40
alexei sayle
Yeah.

51:55.38
alexei sayle
yeah

51:56.18
Talal K
ah satirical anthem lampooning politicians and council proposals to reduce workers' pay by eight grand per year. Oh my God. If anyone deserves more pay, it's the fucking guys who handle our rubbish.

52:10.25
Talal K
Revives the tradition of picket line songs for a new generation of strikers. It's coming out 6th of March. Well, it's come out on all major music platforms. The song is called Power to the Bin Strikers Unite for Workers' Rights. Catchy title there.

52:26.33
Talal K
um It's a rework of the 1960s hit, My Old Man's A Dustman by Lonnie Donegan. An apt song, I suppose. do you want hear a bit of it?

52:36.65
alexei sayle
Yes, very much.

52:38.31
Talal K
Okay, here we go.

52:43.89
Talal K
Hey!

52:48.11
Talal K
Oh!

52:51.02
Talal K
Da-da-da-da!

53:36.95
Talal K
look

53:46.20
Talal K
Okay. We get the idea there.

53:49.53
alexei sayle
Yes.

53:51.19
Talal K
ah

53:51.36
alexei sayle
Well, yes, campaigning music.

53:54.74
Talal K
Yes, i thought I was expecting it to be more hilarious. But it's a ah strong message.

54:02.28
alexei sayle
It does a job, doesn't it?

54:03.68
Talal K
does its job and it's a very clear message.

54:03.82
alexei sayle
Yes. Yes.

54:07.42
Talal K
um So...

54:09.11
alexei sayle
And but power as you know power to the bin workers.

54:12.73
Talal K
Absolutely.

54:13.86
alexei sayle
power to It prompted me to think, years ago, i had a friend called Cat Ledger, who's dead now, literary agent, who was, for some reason, it was John Peel's literary agent.

54:29.42
alexei sayle
She arranged to have lunch with John Peel at a Greek restaurant on Charlotte Street. And Griffiths Jones, she had an office in Torkback, Griffiths Jones, I mean, came along as well.

54:35.16
Talal K
Okay.

54:42.30
Talal K
Okay.

54:42.90
alexei sayle
And he was a chatty fellow, to say the least, Griff. And I was... I mean, I think I'd met... I mean, I'd spent time with John Peel before, so... But all John Peel and Griff Rhys-Jones talked about, to the exclusion of everybody else, was Lonnie Donegan.

55:01.94
alexei sayle
They talked the whole lunch through about Lonnie Donegan, and I never got a look in. And that was... I don't know if that's the last time I saw John Peel live.

55:15.78
alexei sayle
But um it was spent listening to him and Griffith Jones talk about Lonnie Donegan. Make of that what you will, people.

55:24.94
Talal K
Oh, uh,

55:25.90
alexei sayle
It's just a thing that happened to me.

55:27.80
Talal K
How do you support the binmen and buy this song? Well, you just do it. um There's not a specific place. Look, it's on all the platforms. If you buy your music on iTunes, Bandcamp, Spotify, Amazon Music, YouTube, Cobuzz, Deezer Tidal, you can find Banner Theatres.

55:50.21
Talal K
Power to the binstrikers. Unite for workers' rights. Thank you for sending in that music, guys. um and yeah and Send in anything you want.

56:01.14
Talal K
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56:13.39
alexei sayle
It would

56:14.49
Talal K
We think they'd be a great fit for your show. They support the murder of children around the world and they love it when Israel has victorious victories.

56:17.89
alexei sayle
be weird if we said yes. Yeah.

56:27.10
Talal K
We think they'd be a great fit for your lovely show.

56:31.20
alexei sayle
Ha.

56:31.29
Talal K
Yes, fuck off. um Straight off Hormuz, it's not straight at all.

56:38.68
alexei sayle
Ha. Ha. Ha

56:39.80
Talal K
goes up and then down it looks like an elbow alexi you got anything else you want to talk about

56:44.89
alexei sayle
All right. No, no. Big announcement soon about my book, but that'll be in a week or two.

56:52.34
Talal K
love you listeners free palestine stop the war no more hiroshima's uh free ban the bomb free the nipple that's more that's me

56:54.30
alexei sayle
Free Palestine, indeed.

56:58.65
alexei sayle
No.

57:05.03
alexei sayle
all right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.