Hi Joe.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you so much, Christa.

Really appreciate it.

I'm really excited 'cause as we were

just saying before recording, this is

just like a whole new angle that I'm

really excited to explore on the podcast.

Welcome.

Um, so before we get into it, can

you just tell everyone a little

bit about yourself and what you do?

Yes.

my name is Joe Diamond.

I am in my late thirties.

I like long walks on the beach.

that's a different podcast.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Uh, but, uh, no, I, perform a weekly

show at the Maxwell Mansion in Lake

Geneva, Wisconsin, called Psychic Parlor.

it's an evening of mind

reading interaction.

It's in the ballroom, so

it seats only 40 people.

And it's kind of a throwback to the

turn of the century parlor entertainment

where people would gather in homes

and they would hear everything from

lectures, from anthropologists to

demonstrations of spiritualists to,

magicians, conjuring, and, telepathy.

And my show is sort of a throwback

to the more telepathy side.

I've been named and the.com was

available at the Midwest Mystic.

So if anyone wants to look it up.

So basically what that means is instead

of pulling rabbits out of hats, I'm

pulling thoughts out of people's minds.

Ooh.

So during the show, I'll have people think

of names of friends and friends, drinks.

They would order at the bar,

stuff I couldn't know be

beforehand on social media.

And we're coming up on two years of

weekly shows with, purely word of mouth.

No, no advertising.

I don't have big billboards

coming into town.

It's kind of this underground thing.

Again, we can only, fit 40 people in their

max, but every show's been sold out every

week for, at least the last year of shows.

I'm sure there's two or three where

we had a, few people who like.

Didn't show up or something like that.

Right.

I could look at the actual numbers,

it's been a really fun project.

I've been doing shows in the

Midwest and beyond my whole life.

I do, of course, house parties,

corporate events, a handful of weddings.

yeah, so as a professional

entertainer, I've encountered, a

lot of, interesting do's and don'ts.

Uh, I think when last I did the,

count, I was up to just shy of 950,

corporate events The last 20 years.

And, with house parties and stuff,

that's easily, to double that.

you've seen it all.

not at all.

there are some people who've

seen more than me for sure.

both because they charge more

and less than me, but that's

a whole other discussion.

Yeah.

So how did you get into mind reading

and did it kind of start, like, I know

you've Kylie made different, like.

Turns, I'm sure, like in your

career, but how did you kind of

end up to what you're doing now?

what was kinda like journey?

Like?

when I was a kid, my great-grandmother

taught me how to read playing

cards, just like tarot cards.

And my grandfather taught

me my first card trick.

So right at the beginning there was this

interesting, dynamic and I would go to the

library and get books on everything from

magic, both magic tricks and ritualistic

magic, even though my parents were very

religious and were like, put those back.

So I learned to read them at

the library and take notes in my

notebook and then, you know, go home.

Later, but I also read books on

UFOs, crop circles, paranormal

phenomena, all that stuff.

And so when I was in my mid teens,

there was a casting call for Six

Flags Great America, for anyone, not

listening or listening, who's not

in the Midwest, that's a theme park.

just off of, the highway

between Chicago and Milwaukee.

and they were looking

for street performers.

And I went in, doing some, a

little bit of mind reading some

card tricks, and I got the gig.

But by the end of that summer I was just

reading poems and doing mind reading.

'cause that's what people

were really responding to.

Oh,

wow.

And so, yeah, after two summers of

that, you know, seven hours a day out

on the streets, Entertain people while

they're waiting for their friends to

get off of rides or, that kind of stuff.

As, Malcolm Gladwell says, I got my

10,000 hours in and I started working,

you know, house parties, corporate events.

I noticed the mind reading stuff

was getting more of a reaction.

I also did some sideshow stunts

at the time, which, I don't do as

much anymore, but like I learned

how to stick my hand in an animal

trap and hammer a nail into my nose.

That was taught to me

by a sword swallower.

And what was fun about those

is, you know, and you could tell

people exactly how they worked.

'cause like with traditional magic,

you don't tell them anything, right.

With mind reading, people can kind of

piece together later on, maybe some like

intuitive leaps or body language, that

kind of thing, but you can't explain

what you're doing as you're doing it.

Mm-hmm.

But with the sideshow stuff, I

could explain exactly what was

going on and people would still go.

Is that a real animal trap?

Is that, you that kind of stuff.

So I was always playing with

what was real and what was not.

And, I started doing ticketed shows in

various historical, venues, everywhere

from the, Maxwell Mansion, lake Geneva.

But I've also done shows at

the Woodstock Opera House.

I was born in Woodstock, Illinois.

If anyone's seen the movie

Groundhog Day, that's the building

Bill Murray jumped out of.

and what's funny is like I'm kind of

more known for these more intimate

shows, but I've done shows for

a thousand people at a corporate

event, 2000 people at a high school.

Mm-hmm.

and even when I did like.

The Opera House, it only

seats about 411 people.

But, which is small compared

to like amphitheaters and other

massive theaters in the Midwest.

But people were still like, oh,

how are you gonna make that?

Your shows are so intimate.

How are you gonna work with people?

How are you gonna read?

Mines in the Balcony.

And this was right after COVID, so I was

like, I've been reading Mines over Zoom.

So they're just right up there.

even in the bigger environment, that

space, I've worked really hard on making

the bigger events feel more interactive

and intimate, and making the more intimate

events feel bigger and more, immersive

than they may or may not appear to be.

Wow.

That's awesome.

I know, I feel like, 'cause I've

been to like different kinds of

shows I love the more intimate one

because I feel like you can like.

See them closer.

You can see like real reactions.

Sometimes the like really big shows.

You're like, maybe it's like the skeptic

part of me, but even though I tend to

be more spiritual, but sometimes I'm

like, was this planned ahead of time?

But the more intimate ones,

you're like, no, there's no way.

this is like

also because in the more intimate

ones, there's more of a chance

for you to be involved as well.

Yes.

In fact, at the max, I love that we have

we have introvert seating cause people's

number one fear is public speaking.

Getting called

well it's public speaking

whether or not they're up for a

show or need to speak for work.

And on top of that I'm going to, you know.

Tell them what they're thinking.

even if this was all a joke, even if I

was just like, oh, you're thinking of this

really embarrassing thing that happened.

is that right?

No.

Well, of course you'd say

no, it's embarrassing.

I, you know, right now if that there with

their coworkers, now they're that person.

and I do not do that.

Of course.

I'm always very conscious of making sure

everyone in my audience goes back a hero.

that said, I completely understand

that some people just do not wanna

participate and I want everyone

to feel comfortable in the show.

so we have introvert tickets where

they're on the ticketing site.

at the psychic parlor.com, and you can go

down, you know, there's standard tickets.

There's also VIP up close

couch seating as well.

So the people do wanna be extra close, but

then there's introvert seating, which is,

I will not call on you during the show.

There are some things that involve

everyone all at once, that people can

kind interact with from their seats.

Mm-hmm.

of course, I will not bring

them up and of course, like

say hi to them before the show.

And I even say to them, the joke I

always do is don't worry, this is

the most I'll talk to you all night.

you're safe over here.

yeah.

so yeah, so it's, something I am

trying to be very conscious of, but

it is something that's so intrinsic

to my work because a big part of it,

ironically, is the skepticism, is

the, oh, well, can he do it with me?

Will he pick someone from our group?

And when you come with a group of.

Five to 10 people at a

show that only seats 40.

You're 25% of the audience, so someone

in your group is gonna be involved.

You're gonna have a conversation

going home later, So, yeah.

Uh, intimate is also

very relative as well.

also in Lake Geneva, very good

friend of mine, I've done shows

at, Tristan Christ's theater.

Mm-hmm.

They do a more traditional magic show.

He cuts his assistant in half, they

fly around the stage like superheroes

and make a helicopter appear.

and it's amazing.

, I've been backstage and I don't

know where they keep the helicopter.

It's a little, little disconcerting,

but in all seriousness, their back row,

they're only 175 seats, which again,

compared to the 40, is like, oh, wow.

So much bigger.

But their back row is closer than

Penn and Teller's front row in Las

Vegas when I filmed for their TV show.

that is still a more intimate

space compared to, to that.

and I have different

things like there's one.

Grand finale I do for my bigger

shows that involves 26 people and

the, just in the grand finale.

Wow.

The whole show, uh, throughout,

I do several things.

there will be about 50 people

that are directly involved

with me during the show, total.

And, there again, several things

where everyone is involved too.

Wow.

Yeah.

I love like, being able to be a

part of it or involved in some way.

'cause I feel like, especially when I

was a kid, I'd go to a magic show or

some kind of like, mind reading show.

Like, being pulled up on stage just

makes you be like, I wasn't a part of it.

Or like, I didn't see anything

that happened, but like, I saw

it in front of my eyes happen.

Like I always remember going to

some kind of, I think it was when

my sister was in college, they did

like some kind of magic show there.

And I remember I got pulled up on stage

that tour colleges and stuff and

yeah.

Yeah.

And I feel like I did something

where they were like, close your

eyes and hold this light bulb.

It was something.

And soon as I opened my eyes,

the light bulb turned on

and I was like, I don't know

how

I did it

could've been, uh, one of my

very close friends, Chris Carter,

they were the long, light bulbs.

Uh,

yes, it was the long light bulb.

that's his signature.

Yeah.

I don't know how he does that either.

Those aren't his light bulbs.

He has like the booker or whoever

hired him for like, the company,

like go to the store and buy them

and bring them to the show and like,

wow.

Yeah.

It's, it's

wild.

It's ridiculous.

Yeah, he's from the Midwest as

well and he's taught me a lot.

And, he's amazing.

And again, he works colleges.

I always joke with him.

Yeah.

The biggest thing you've taught

me is how much I do not wanna

work colleges or, or beyond.

I mean, because he's been on

the road like 300 days a year.

I'm very spoiled.

I get to, you know, again, I do my fair

share of traveling for this line of work.

I've flown up town for different things.

And being in between Chicago and

Milwaukee is, a blessing, but like, yeah,

compared to people like him who are.

Just on the road every single day,

it's, oh, I actually get to sleep.

in my own bed and eat dinner

with my wife most nights a week.

You know?

Yeah.

even with something like the psych

parlor, you know, when I was first

starting, I wouldn't be home till like

midnight, one, two in the morning.

I'm home by, 10:00 PM most nights there.

Right.

so again, for having, a line of work that,

normally is so predicated on all those

things, the fact that I don't have to

kind of carved out my own little niche.

Without having to do all that.

I've been very, very grateful for,

yeah,

yeah, 'cause again, when if someone,

specializes in, like, for example,

weddings, well, there's only a

hundred Friday, Saturdays a year,

so you're only gonna book so many,

unless you can do several in a day.

And for someone like me where it's like,

they either want me there the whole time

mingling or at a specific time, and we

all know they always run on time, right?

Oh, yes.

and when they do come up great, because

of things like the Maxwell and these

other ticketed events, I've done I

don't have to be as hungry for like,

again, being on the road all the time.

Yeah.

And so you've done, I mean, so many

different shows, different sizes,

different kinds of people, I'm sure.

is there a time in your mind, like one of

the wildest or most interesting reactions

that you have from one of your shows, or a

guest that was there, just an interesting,

like, story that kind sticks out to you?

there's a lot.

for sure.

I've had people scream, I've

been hit, I've been slapped.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

to be fair, it's happened

two or three times.

It's been in like the

arm two or three times.

But once it was across the face and

the woman was just like, ah, and

it was just like this, and just her

hand hit just right next because

she

couldn't believe what you did.

Yeah.

her hand just hit just right to like

echo through this, this space we were in.

it was, at a, Dell web type community for

anyone who knows what they're, so it just

echoed and it was before I had a beard,

so like, it was extra skin on skin whack

and it sounded way worse than it was.

always use a handheld mic, so I

went off mic and she was, and this

is part of the reason, 'cause she

was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Please don't hate me.

And I said, I'm absolutely fine.

I'm gonna make a joke

and we're gonna move on.

We'll be fine.

And then I got on the mic and was

like, no, no, no, it's my fault.

I should have seen that coming.

And no.

And I thanked her, sent

her back to her seat.

I said, whoever's sitting next to her,

you know, look out if she reacts more

during the show, might wanna scoop over a

little, you know, so we had fun with it.

Of course.

Yeah.

Um, do

you what it was?

Oh yeah.

It was, so there's several things

that I do pretty much in every show.

I have different ways of.

Framing it or scaling it.

so one of the things I'll do is

I'll have people think of like

names of friends or family members.

Mm-hmm.

Now, sometimes I'll adjust

that depending on just for lack

of a better term, the season.

Like I will have people think of, like I

did a time travel show once a themed show.

And so I said, think of someone from

your past that you no longer talk to.

No one.

You had an epic falling out with

just someone you've lost track

with over the years and never

really connected with on Facebook.

it's been a while since

you've seen this person.

and I have those different things to

fit kind of the theme of the show.

but also ' cause again, the other thing

I've gotta address in my show is, oh,

has he looked us all up on social media?

Is he doing?

And, I genuinely don't.

But I still have to go out of my way

to show, not just tell, but like show

I'm not doing that by having people

picked at random or picking up on

things that aren't normally thought of.

So yeah, having someone think of like,

again, a friend, a family member, someone

they used, to know those kinds of things.

I'll have people think of like

old pin codes at Halloween.

I'll have them think of old costumes,

after

Christmas time.

I'll have them think of old gif.

But, it's all the same

framing for what I do.

And in many ways, the joke I say is, at

the beginning of my show, when I have

two people on stage and I tell each of

them just what color they're thinking of.

Mm-hmm.

The joke I say is, that's it.

That's all I do.

Don't worry.

We'll keep doing it for the next hour.

but the idea is that we start with

colors, then go into shapes, then

numbers, and then I have someone,

think of cards they're holding in like.

Game.

We play psychic poker.

Then I have someone think of a

drink they'd order at the bar.

I talk about more

empathy versus telepathy.

So then I work with

different people's emotions.

Then we think of specific thoughts

like friends, family members, then some

stuff where someone thinks of someone

in the room and I have to find them

without asking them any questions.

that's all I'll say about the show

without spoiling anything else.

because another part of it too is

people just love the surprise too.

and even when it's the same thing

for me because someone's always

thinking something different and

they're always gonna react differently

and people wanna bring their

friends to see how they'll react.

Mm mm-hmm.

So

that kind of has the surprise baked

into it as well, because Yeah.

I might get every once in

a while I'm way, way off.

it's not the, you.

Line I say in the show is, mind

reading is an art, not a science.

Mm-hmm.

So I'm not always gonna be a

hundred percent accurate, but I'm

hopefully more close than not.

And it's interesting when people go, wow,

I've never seen you get that wrong before.

Like, who have seen you a couple times?

That's still kind of interesting

and surprising for them, even though

it's the least impressive outcome.

And in many ways, but I also make a

point of like, Hey, this is about,

having fun and connection and the other.

I call it the dirty secret

of my show, which is, yes, my

name is on the advertising, it

says I'm the star of the show.

But that's not really true.

The real star of the show is the audience.

The show is about the audience.

Mm-hmm.

when you look at mystical characters

and film and literature, like when

someone, if you were watching a Twilight

Zone episode that had a mind reader

in it, it wouldn't start with the mind

reader, it would start with people

going to the mind reader and having that

discussion of, I think this is real.

I think it's a load of bunk.

What do you think?

Right.

And the weird stuff happens in

the Mind Reader Show, and now we

follow these two people leaving.

So I'm, kind of trying to see the

show through that lens of a real

life Twilight zone experience.

and, giving them as much the starring

role of it and, the interaction of it.

Um, way more than, just being about.

I'm always being right and when it

is about them and when it is that if

I'm not a hundred percent accurate,

I've also structured everything and

I've got lines and jokes where even

if I'm completely wrong and nothing

works, I can move on to the next thing.

Like, it's funny, I've gotten things

wrong in shows and still have had

people come up going, so what do you do?

Are you ever wrong?

Because they had just gotten that

was the one thing out of whole hour.

Right.

They just caught,

yeah,

it does.

what I think matters is that Maya

Angelou quote of like, people may

forget what you said or did, but they

won't forget how you made them feel.

So

Right.

shooting for that as much as

possible because then if I'm a

little off, if I get a name or

mispronounce it or misspell it mm-hmm.

Or something, it's not as

much of a glaring, error.

right.

And like with juggling either.

Catch the clubs or you don't,

With magic, the helicopter appears

or it doesn't, the girl gets put

back together where she doesn't.

So, and when those go wrong,

there's not as much, there's

more on the line with those going

wrong than with me, ironically.

Right.

I'm sure it's all about how you

like, respond to it and what

happens next of like, entertaining,

making a joke about it.

if you just like stood there and were

like, oh my God, I messed that up.

You know, like people would feel Oh yeah.

Like, remember it more.

well, the other thing too is I also,

I poke fun at myself during the

show as well, because so there's,

two types of people at my show.

People who are at the very least,

Even if they're not full on believers,

they're interested in this kind of stuff.

Mm-hmm.

And then it's their skeptical

partner, they've dragged along.

Yeah.

I was gonna ask about that.

And it's funny to the point where I

can pretty much say to a couple when

I say, thank you for coming tonight.

Thank you for being dragged along

pre and like, I've had a few

people go, oh my God, he's psychic.

How did you know that?

I'm like, it's because

you're here everywhere.

that's not the psychic part.

Yeah.

Uh, she hasn't started yet.

but, the line I say in the show now is,

my wife is the biggest skeptic I've ever

met, so it's okay if you're skeptical.

She said to my face, it's not so

much your psychic, you're just a

straight white guy with empathy to be

fair in this era, that's a miracle.

That's, and when

I'm not taking it myself that

seriously, they're not out to,

challenge or prove or disprove.

It's, we're there to have a good time.

if someone is taking it a

little too seriously, I've even

said to someone like, Hey, um.

I don't know if you know

this, but this isn't church.

There was a ticket price.

You don't have to believe

a single word I say.

We can just have fun.

Um, just enjoy yourself.

Yeah,

exactly.

Exactly.

So I mean, that's like when you see

similar things post online, everyone's

like, oh, they, searched it ahead of time.

They Google, you know, there's

all those skeptics out there and

it's like, do people have fun?

Do people enjoy it?

that's

skeptics

like, for a lot of that stuff.

And that's why even with the stuff I've

done online, I do try to make it so that

all those questions, I mean, there are

come up one way or another in my art form.

it's just going to,

that's kind of the point.

but, I really try to again,

make it, about the people, when

I show the, clips of the show.

I don't even show that

much of what I'm doing.

I'll just show people's reactions,

people laughing or gasping or

hugging me or, hitting me sometimes.

like showing that and showing that

happens regularly, becomes a different

story than is it real or not?

How's he finding it out?

It's more of like, what's going on

in this, interaction that's causing

these people to react like that.

it's the same reason why, the fact

that we want to be in, a show where the

audience does implement what happens.

I think it's part of the

reason why comedians.

Doing crowd work clips online

have kind of blown up in the

last few years because mm-hmm.

People even when there's always someone

who's like, oh, this was obviously staged.

Look, he's not even really on the stage.

And are there a few people who like,

use laugh tracks and stuff like that?

Yeah, of course.

however, for the most part, we

want to feel like we were a part of

something that, has never happened

before and will never happen again.

I don't worry too much about

people thinking that with the

stuff online anymore because

like, I, I perform regularly.

you can come see for yourself,

And if you don't want to, you

know, then that's okay too, right?

The customer's always right,

but not everyone's a customer.

Um,

and like, Some people are my audience,

some people aren't, you Art, uh.

It's like a magnet.

I think Jimmy Carr said, it's like

it attracts some people and repels

others, and both are totally fine.

So,

yeah.

Yeah.

No, absolutely.

So I know you wanna do, an

audience mind reading, like

Yeah, yeah.

Intuition test

do and with everyone as well.

So listening.

Yeah.

Awesome.

do you wanna do that or do you

wanna, I know you say you also have

a lot of wild stories, so what.

I'll tell you what, let's, both Okay.

let's do a quick intuition test.

And, after that we can do some stories

and then I have something planned

for at the end of this too, so,

okay.

we can kind of give everyone a

little bit of a taste and, also give

you a chance to see how, This mind

reading stuff really works and also

gives you and everyone listening a

chance to know what it feels like to

get this wrong and to get it right.

when I do this in live shows, it

usually gives me a chance to see who

else in the room is the most intuitive.

Okay?

So, here's how this is gonna work.

Christa, I'm going to think

about, memory from my past.

Okay?

I'm going to do my best to project

it to you and the listeners.

even though this is recorded, I've

done this with recordings and it

does still work pretty significantly,

I found for people who are truly

listening, if the listeners are

able to close their eyes, please do.

Of course, if you're running or driving,

of course don't, don't worry about it.

But if you can, it, does usually help.

So we'll do this with you and

I, and then later on, we can see

how it does with the listeners.

And exhale, or you'll suffocate.

Very good.

All right, now, Christa, you're

gonna look at me for this.

Okay?

everyone else, again listening can close

their eyes, but since we're talking in

real time, you can take another deep

breath, and as you exhale, just get

in your mind a number from one to 10.

Lock your mind.

Don't change it.

Remember that number, okay?

Don't try to think about

these things too much.

Just go with whoever

comes to you naturally.

Intuition is knowing without knowing.

Okay?

Um, we're gonna do it again.

I'll take another deep breath.

As you exhale, get in your

mind a direction on a compass.

Again, lock it in your mind.

Don't change it.

Remember that direction.

Okay?

All right.

This last one's gonna be the

most difficult this time.

I want you to think of two

simple geometric shapes.

One inside the other, like a square,

inside of a rectangle, for example.

don't pick either of those.

I just said them.

take a deep breath.

Exhale.

Remember those two shapes.

Okay.

All right.

I'm curious, first of all to see how you

did, and then, if anyone listening wants

to, should they like, message the podcast?

Should they message me on Instagram?

I mean, they could comment.

I mean, I post the full thing on YouTube,

so they could always comment on YouTube.

if people can go to the YouTube page

and actually comment if this did

work with them, I'm really curious.

We'll see how this

worked with you as well.

so I was thinking of a

pretty common memory.

Again, this is likely your first time

doing this, so I wanted to keep it simple.

I was thinking about my first

day of school and I couldn't find

geometry class, so I asked someone

where it was, and they said it was

on the north side of the building.

When I got to the classroom, I

noticed, there were seven students

there already, and when I looked

at the chalkboard, the teacher had

already drawn, a circle and a triangle.

so right off the bat, did

you get either of those?

circle, triangle and North

And North.

Okay.

here's the interesting thing.

I don't know what this is.

If people don't get, the number

of students very often, I found

sometimes they go for three.

Is that what you did?

Yes.

Okay.

There we go.

Perfect.

Okay.

So now of course this is more

psychological than it is psychic,

but it does a couple things.

Number one, it shows you how this

intuition stuff really works.

'cause there is a level of nine

times outta 10 every single day,

we all make some kind of decision.

And then later on go, ah, I should

have gone with my initial gut instinct.

So much of my work is just skipping

that part that, just skipping that.

So here's how we'll do,

this next part here.

I've got a notepad here.

I'm gonna do, I'm gonna draw

something here while I draw this.

It's, here comes, the drama is

a little too long to write, so

I'm just gonna write down drama.

so Christa be honest.

when you were younger, have like a tree

or sometimes it's like a picnic table

and like, a park or forest preserve

that has a bunch of like initials

and hearts written and carved on 'em.

Okay.

Uh, but you know what

I'm talking about, right?

I know kind of what you're talking about.

Like

Yeah.

Where people would put like, you

know, the heart and then obviously 14

year olds with their first crushes,

they put their initial Right, right.

And or, And then go back a few

years, it's crossed out, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, that, kind of thing.

it's okay if you never actually did

that, but you can visualize that.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

I want you to imagine, we kind of go

back in time in your mind a little

bit and you can see one of those

trees and you can go up and you can

carve like a little heart in it.

Mm-hmm.

And put your initials in.

And, what I'd like you to do next is

to think of just one of the people

you can remember having a crush on.

When you were younger.

Now, a couple quick things about this.

just think of their initials.

Okay.

It can be a celebrity crush too,

and it doesn't have to be like

the very, very first one, you

told them or anything like that.

It could have been a secret crush.

It could be, and I won't cry for this.

Okay.

Since this is podcast and going

back, that's why we're just sticking

with initials for this, situation.

But at this point right now, again,

we've talked on social media, but

there's no way I could know whose

initials you decided on just now.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Right, right.

Got them in mind.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

This is gonna sound a little strange,

but I'm gonna ask you to look right

at your camera, not at the screen at

me, but look right at your camera.

Okay.

Okay.

Look

at both those initials and don't react.

And here I go.

A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S-T-V-W-X-Y-Z.

Okay.

I'm also gonna do this backwards.

Z-Y-X-W-V-T-S-R-Q-P-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A.

Okay.

I think you might have stopped thinking of

the initials 'cause you were like, oh my

gosh, he actually can do this backwards.

I'm gonna do this once more.

Think of both initials.

1 more time.

Z-Y-X-W-V-T-S-R-Q-P-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A..

Okay.

Uh, I believe, yeah, I'm gonna say

it both, both initials are different.

Yes.

It's not the same initial twice.

Mm-hmm.

Both are different.

you know what, I'm gonna go for it too.

I'm gonna say they're both consonants.

Yes.

Neither is a vowel.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think I got it.

Then.

I'm gonna write this down just to extra

commit so people don't just think you're

just saying yes to whatever I say.

Okay.

I've written that down.

Uh, I'll leave the pad up here in

frame so you can keep an eye on it.

what's the initials of the

person you're thinking of?

You can tell us.

Tj,

one more time.

You kind of lagged out.

TJ

tj, did they actually

go by TJ by any chance?

do you remember?

I mean,

not that you recall.

they went by like their actual

first name is why I'm saying

they go by like the initials.

Like my dad sometimes

calls me JD sometimes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, if I'm thinking in my initial

person, their initials were tj.

Okay.

That's fine.

I just wanted to make sure that, uh, they

didn't try reaching out to you after this,

because that is, exactly what I got, tj.

Wow.

That is wild.

People can watch back on YouTube

and see that I did in fact draw a

heart with, Christa's initials and

then tj, underneath, I'm going to,

I'll take a picture of this too

and send it to you so we can write

on Instagram and all that later.

So that's, uh, and that's a perfect

example too of, you receiving

thoughts from me, but also you

sending thoughts to me as well.

there's a lot of that kind of stuff going

on in the show too, where either I am

picking up on thoughts from other people,

but there are also points where they're

picking up on thoughts from me and I'm

trying to find, and there are different

things in the shows that I do that involve

different people's intuitions and such.

and again, part of also your reaction

was crisis there too, by, thank you.

I'm just like shocked.

I was like, there's no way

we're over Zoom.

How is he gonna do it?

Over Zoom.

I was only thinking like

third grade, my first crush.

And I'm like, I haven't

thought of this person.

How long ago was that?

30, Almost 30 years.

Probably

25 years When you, you were two not in

second grade when you were two, right?

Right, exactly.

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely, absolutely.

we'll do more at the end of

course, but that's a little bit

of a sneak peek I'm also curious

if anyone else, picked up on this.

'cause I know some people

are just listening.

Some people could see you, wondering if

anyone else, because normally what I'm

just doing is I'm just trying to feel

which letter feels right, basically.

and then trying to get

'em in the right order.

but yeah, but I'm really glad

every once in a while, just for

example, this is another thing too.

Sometimes I've gotten the initials

reversed, but like people will

still kind of give that to me,

even though it's technically wrong.

It's like, okay, You were right.

You know, it's there.

and the course of a whole show again,

if something like that happens,

it's not the end of the world.

I'd rather that than get both, or

just even one of the two initials

incorrect, but even when I do pick

up on it, like one of the other day I

said to a woman, I'm getting a motherly

vibe, but this isn't your mother.

And she was like, and her eyes

went wide and she's like, she

just had her first kid, like, wow.

Wasn't even on social

media yet or anything.

So even when I am wrong, there's

still a reason why I am picking

up on what I'm picking up on.

It is, again, much more about

the intuition, the empathy,

the connecting with people.

Mind reader just sounds more, show busy

and interesting than feeling feeler.

right, right, right.

I'm feeling other people's feelings.

so yeah, so that's a little bit

of an insight into how that works.

And in the show too, I talk

about like, yep, I still have

stupid stuff happened to me.

And I tell some stories about

that too and everything.

part of the fun of it is again, you

never know how people are going to

react or what they're gonna think of.

so yeah.

Wow.

I'm blown away.

That's wild.

That's,

thank you.

Can't even comprehend that.

okay.

So, let's jump into, you said you have

a lot of, wild stories of things that

you've either seen at shows or, witnessed.

what's one of the stories

that you would wanna share?

do you want one?

Well, I'm gonna ask you,

do you want like just.

a wild story or two full stop, or do

you want particularly wedding related?

Um, it doesn't

need to be wedding related.

Okay.

before I say this, there's literally

one piece of advice I try to give people

for events, and it's only half the time

you'll see what I mean in a moment.

if there's only one after, doing all

these different events, I've been

at people's house parties, they're

50th anniversaries, 50th birthdays,

weddings, vow renewals, all of them.

Bachelor parties, bachelorette

parties, divorce parties.

There's one thing I've learned.

It's easier to move outside

than it is to move inside.

Don't count on good weather.

when people have like the food

under a tent outside, I'm just

like, you are inviting disaster.

Yes.

Have it in the, totally

have it in the kitchen.

before my show, I was just setting up

in the living room ' cause the skies

were looking a little not so great and

they opened up and the wind blew in

and the uncle tried to run in, in the

rain with a big plaque full of ribs

and tripped and all over the floor.

And if it was just inside.

luckily it wasn't during my show,

but still that has, are you okay?

All this other stuff.

just if there was, had just started

inside, like, I get it as Midwesterners,

we have seasonal blindness.

We think just 'cause it's

summer, it's gonna be great.

and then when it's the winter,

we're somehow surprised.

like, what?

I can't believe, you know.

Every year there's someone on the news

complaining that they have to shovel snow.

I'm like, yeah, same time.

Every year

happens every year.

Yeah.

Probably the first week of January.

what do you know?

and it sounds so simple

and kind of like Yeah.

Do ridiculous, but those are

often the ones that go overlooked.

Yeah.

that said, no matter how much

you plan, just never know.

very early in my career, I was

setting up for a show and they had a

mechanical bull going and it didn't

look like I was getting, we were getting

closer and closer to my, contracted

showtime and it didn't look like they

were turning that off anytime soon.

And I went to the woman hosting the event

and I was like, Hey, are we gonna turn

the mechanical bull off during the show?

And she sincerely looked

at me and went, why?

cause we'll be doing the show.

She's like, well, people can do that too.

I'm like, so during the show, all

right, think of the name of this person.

Think of how many letters just off.

Alright, think of this.

It's like, oh my God.

So now I probably would've, and I'm sure

we've all had this, where like, , we have

to be a little firmer with the customers.

Like they think they want it a

certain way, but like, yeah, another

one is always, Hey, let's have me

on after dinner, before awards.

Like, no, no, we want

you as the grand finale.

We want you as the grand finale.

Last two times they did that after

people had their awards and they had

been fed literally up to half the

room left as they were, you booked

it as they were introducing me.

Oh no.

I'm just like, you need

entertainment early.

Yeah.

So I'm like, okay, everyone in

the back, let's move forward.

Let's, let's make this

feel less like a bus stop.

That's a friend of mine, a show busing.

It's like, let's make this feel more

like a show and less like a bus stop.

Come on.

Like, let's get in close and

enter and connect and stuff.

'cause yeah, when you've got those,

when you've got tables and gaps of

people, it's just harder for everyone

to kind of, again, connect basically.

Yeah.

The bulk of this is connection.

I've been pretty lucky with

weddings in particular.

overall like the ones I've actually

performed at, The wedding I didn't perform

at, because three weeks beforehand,

they called saying it was canceled.

the groom had run off with

the bride's best friend Jim.

Oh, so yeah, the

bride's best friend.

Jeremy.

Jeremy, yes.

So there was a lot to unpack from,

there's a lot to unpack there.

Yeah.

Yes.

So,

wow.

You know,

humans are

com

that's a call that

Yeah.

Humans are complicated.

they had another, event for his work,

so they were able to, that's the thing

too, like normally when people book,

it's, for a specific date and time, I

don't wanna be on the hook with someone

forever, but if they call and it's

something like ridiculous like that.

because that's the other thing people

don't realize too, is like they're

not paying for the show that day.

They're paying for the six

months of you telling no.

Telling everyone else No.

For that date and time.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

And also, in my opinion, builds better

trust because they know I'm not gonna.

Abandon them for something, for

more money, but no, you're both

holding the date.

Yes, we're both holding the dates.

it's very clear.

and of course, if I am sick for any

reason and not unable to do it, which I've

only had to do this once in my career,

knock on wood, give them a choice of

a backup entertainer or just a refund.

but they had another company event coming

up, like just in the next month, and they

had booked me for other stuff before,

and it was their daughter, so it was

like, yeah, she'll need to be cheered up.

So, oh

my.

Yeah.

So that was probably like, I

mean, at least it didn't happen

at the wedding, you know, okay.

At least that.

again, what I've done actually more

than even weddings have been like.

Bridal parties and rehearsal dinners

like the night before when it is just

the smaller family and it is, for

lack of a better term, more intimate.

Yeah.

Because it's also two sides

of the family that maybe don't

know each other super well.

Mm-hmm.

So rather than trying to make something

work during the bride and groom's big

day, which is, I've done, you know,

I've done that show and it's worked.

but I think even better for like,

Yes, it's about them,

but it's about all of us.

you all have a big day tomorrow.

This is the time to kind of cut loose

and have fun and get to know one another.

and again, because there's the blend

of, half the people know only half

the people, they know the other people

aren't in on it and they're act and

they have something to talk about.

They have a shared experience now too.

Mm-hmm.

I have found those, those have

been, I've been very lucky

that those have been great.

None of those have been the, problem gigs.

probably the absolute, worst gig I ever

did was, again, fairly early in my career.

I was on after a band at

like this mini festival.

And the guy started introducing me as

the band was striking their stuff, and

no one was paying attention, right?

Like, I hear what he was saying.

So I'm like, okay, well I'm gonna have to

get him back up here to reintroduce me.

And I just, put my stuff up.

And one of the guys from the band goes,

oh dude, did he introduce you early?

Don't worry, I'll stall.

Ladies and gentlemen, he's

going to invade your minds.

Mr. What's your name again, bro?

Joe Diamond.

Joe Diamond.

Like, I'm like, oh no.

Now people are watching.

Yeah.

So now I have the opposite problem, right?

so at start, they're still striking

every other word you can't hear

because they're unplugging all their

instruments and amps all the ka k.

They finally finish.

I'm into like, I only have to

do like a 20 minute set too.

that's the worst part.

It felt like it, I've done hour

shows that haven't felt this long,

and I'm like, at the halfway mark,

I'm like, okay, I've got them.

And literally beep, beep.

The next band is backing their truck

in and it's just a curtain behind.

Oh my

God.

and I just stopped and

just started laughing.

I was just like, uh.

Some things just aren't meant to be.

I did have a few people who came up to

me afterwards and said, Hey, good job.

That must have been really tough.

now, I feel like again, just the

level of planning of like, okay, I

have written out my introduction.

Do not introduce me till I'm ready.

There's this, there's that.

I have actually some pre-show music

and stuff that like gets people's

attention to for like louder events.

and it's only a mistake if

you don't learn from it.

And I learn as much as possible.

So I've avoided, disasters

much bigger than that.

there's some stories that

my friends have told that.

Beat me every single day, but

they're not my stories to share.

No, I get that.

Yeah.

No, I feel like those, early days or I

feel like everything is just like, you

learn from I know early days of like being

a part of weddings and doing different

things, I'm like, take note for next time.

you just like, and people will people,

so you learned from different people

too.

People will, will people will people.

Oh my God.

ended up being a, great show, because

I've done a few Bachelor and bachelorette

parties because sometimes they don't

want to get in trouble with a, we'll

just say adult entertainer of some kind.

yes.

Negotiated against that

or anything like that.

I have friends in that

industry, all that stuff.

But some people just don't wanna,

it's an extra layer of drama

they don't wanna deal with.

And that is totally fine.

That said, no one gave

the memo to grandma.

So I showed up and she just looked me

up and down and kind of scrunched her

face and just went, you the stripper.

Like she was so disappointed that this,

five foot seven guy, I am not that tall.

and.

People were like, grandma,

he's the mind reader.

And I was like, oh, no, no, no.

I will strip.

It's just gonna cost

everyone $20 each to leave.

and she laughed.

'cause they just said they

just didn't think to say to

grandma that this is to tell

her

Yeah.

To tell her that there was entertainment

that wasn't, that but still, she

was still not as disappointed as

the bachelor parties I've done.

Oh.

But they're like, wait,

what's going on here?

well, not only that, they've

worked of course, but there's

still just that level of.

With everyone too.

It doesn't really really

matter about gender.

Just of like skepticism and like,

wait, are we really gonna do this?

And again, as I've gotten now, I

can send to my, clients, you know, a

clip of me performing on the biggest

stage in Las Vegas and reading Brook

Brooke's poem, and they can just send

that to their, friends and they go,

oh yeah, this will probably be good.

So now I don't have to win them over

quite as much upfront because of

all that word has kind of spread.

Right.

but yeah, for the most part, like,

you gotta just, roll with it.

when grandma asks if you're the

stripper, and she's clearly disappointed.

Oh, grandma's, they'll just, they

just say what's on their mind.

You just gotta let them, roll with it.

are you ready to react to this week?

Oh yes.

I'm So, here we go.

Okay.

So as always, this was submitted

by one of the followers here,

so I've not read it yet.

Feel free to stop me and

react and we'll just,

okay.

See what happens.

And then at the very end, for

everyone listening, you're gonna

do another little mind trick.

Yes.

something at the end.

So, all right.

Cool.

Here we go.

Says, Hey, my fiance's parents

started out really nice.

We met in May and were together

for about four months before

getting engaged, which I know is

fast throughout our relationship.

We saw his parents regularly

and I truly hope to build a

good relationship with them.

As we started planning the

wedding, the first issue came

up over the mother-son dance.

The DJ had suggested shortening

all the dances, and when that was

mentioned, his mom was outraged.

I'm just gonna pause there.

I feel like that's a very normal thing

now, to be like, we don't need to dance

four minutes with every single person.

I know.

I shortened my

mind that.

And, just real quick, the way, I know

you're reading this for the first time,

but the way you said it that when you said

the mother-son dance, I was like, is this

like a thing where she dances at sundown?

Like, I was like, oh yeah, mother

and son d ance, I thought was Mother

and

son dance.

She, the person wrote

it as like, mother, son.

So I was like, mother-son dance.

Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah.

So there was a moment because I've

been to, I actually have, hosted a

couple of, for lack of a better term,

pagan, ceremonies, non-traditional

ceremonies, practicing witches,

practicing mystics, and such.

I've heard the Heka type blessing instead

of, you know, the prayer and all that.

so I was immediately going like,

okay, but what's a son dance like,

is there a ance and a moon dance?

Yeah.

What are we doing?

Yeah, it's a sun, it's sundown.

Right?

We're not getting married

at like five in the morning.

Right.

Right.

What's happening?

Uh, okay, so, the mother-and-son dance.

Okay.

So yes.

Didn't

wanna show that so far.

people, the DJ has suggested,

hey, the songs you've picked,

they're all like four minutes each.

That's like, that's a long time

with transitions in between.

We're talking, that's easily

gonna be a 20 minute h where we

all just watch two people dance

if we're gonna do the full songs.

Yeah.

And you gotta think for like,

people watching, that's boring.

No's

not, yeah, we don't have to do ones yet.

you get those songs in half, that's

down to like eight to 10 minutes tops.

Yeah.

If there's technical issues or whatever.

And yeah, that I think is the sweet spot.

yeah, I'm pretty sure we shortened

all hours to like a minute and a half

because like then people get to see it.

That's enough dancing.

Also, people after

their first time

dancing after

I promise we'll still do the

interactive thing at the end.

However, after this, I'll tell you

the story of our wedding because it's

like Geneva related and there's a

fun kind of story with it as well.

Oh, cool.

Okay.

Kind of tease that as well.

now just to be clear, does she only want

the mother son dance not shortened or

does she want all of them not shortened?

Or is

that I'm, I'm guessing it's more

about her dance with her son.

Okay.

Like 20 seconds.

She's like taking offense to it.

That's not the craziest

thing, you know, okay.

and it depends on what the song is too.

Like there's some songs you

just don't cut off in the

middle.

Don't cut.

especially if it's the mom.

Okay.

Continue.

All right.

All right.

Let's see.

She said, we ended up sitting down to

talk about it because she was upset for

me even bringing it up, even though I just

repeated what the DJ had recommended and

didn't think it would be such a big deal

after that, things calmed down a bit.

But that dynamic

definitely felt different.

I tried to move on and understand

her perspective, especially since

she openly favors my fiance and

likely feels like she's losing him.

Recently though.

Everything

I, pause again.

Pause again.

okay, so it's the mother, son

dance, so this is a likely.

We can assume bride, not

another husband, a bride that

wrote it in.

Yeah.

Okay.

and it's, the son.

Has, she said if the son is like

only child, oldest, youngest,

no, she hasn't said yet, but I feel

like when she says openly favors, I

either wondering if she, he has another

sibling and like, he's like the golden

child.

I mean, if you are, marrying

into the family Yeah.

your partner is gonna be more

favored by the people who gave

birth to and raised them and know

like of course that, so, okay.

Yeah.

That's why I feel like she means you might

be reading a little too much into it

here, but We'll, see where it goes.

Okay.

Yeah.

She had a complete meltdown

and called him blaming me for

almost everything under the sun.

She accused me of initially

excluding her family from our wedding

planning the wedding day itself.

There's a lot more to that,

but that's the summary.

So my fiance and I sat down with

both of his parents and he explained

that none of that was my doing, and

that if anyone felt excluded, it was

because of decisions he had made.

That conversation lasted for four hours.

Oh my gosh.

So I feel like this all stems from the

fact that she feels like she's losing her

son and that she's gonna try to make it

more about her day and want it her way.

Yeah.

so first off, kudos to husband, partner,

fiance for taking charge for, yeah.

Like, this is me.

Hey, hey, hey, mom.

Listen, take the brunt of it.

Sit down and talk for the four hours.

so far.

Green flags for the fiance.

Yes.

Do get through whatever

hell you have to marry them.

Yes.

Uh, so far he's worth it.

and it sounds like the issue

is gonna be mostly between him

and the mom now, but we'll see.

another issue came up about us not

inviting children to the wedding.

She was furious.

Pause, right.

Pause right there.

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

Mom lost all credibility.

I 1000% agree.

Children should not, if you are going

to have an open bar, I will even argue,

not the party, not even the ceremony

you saying at any wedding.

I'm saying across 99%

of all across the board.

Wow.

Wow.

That is a hot take.

here's a couple issues with kids.

It's actually not the

kids, it's the parents.

The parents.

It's the parents.

And, it, it just becomes

about the kid now.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I understand.

yes, we might not all have a teen or

preteen flower girl or ring bearer.

They may only be three or four.

And yeah, it's cute for like

the three second clip of them

like walking down the aisle.

But like, you know, then you're

paying for the, cake and all that.

'cause here's the other thing too, I

will argue nine times outta 10, if there

are kids at a wedding slash wedding

adjacent type event, any entertainer,

they book dj, comedian, moderator.

I'm saying this 'cause this has happened.

Yeah.

All the parents think,

oh, that's the babysitter.

That's now in a separate room.

And this is problematic

for, the entertainer.

'cause it's like, wait, I'm alone

in a room with everyone's kids.

That's not how everyone else is drinking.

That's not good.

No, no, no.

Oh, that's not a good position.

I wanna be in.

Yeah.

so it's one thing if you

wanna hire childcare.

Mm-hmm.

which I think if there are any levels

of kids there, whoever wants them,

has to give into to any kind of

childcare, nannying, whatever daycare,

because this exists, this happens.

They have 'em for company

events for, single parents.

So like the parents can still,

you know, attend the event.

And it's at conference centers,

it's at wedding venues.

they have caterers.

They have someone, who's professional,

vetted to watch kids too.

Mm-hmm.

So if you're gonna go that far.

Especially if they're gonna make the

argument of, oh, it's only two or three.

It's only two or three.

then okay, then you contribute for that.

if it's that important to you.

I don't think any kid has outweighed

the adorableness factor for

how much of a pain it's been

for the rest of the day.

there's a saying in show business

don't work with kids or animals like,

and in TV there's a reason every

baby and every TV show is twins.

Yeah.

Like, because when one's cranky,

hopefully the other isn't that's

why there was Mary Kate and Olson.

that's why every baby and

every show and movie is almost

always a set of twins, right.

For that exact reason.

Because getting that on camera and

all this stuff is next to impossible.

Yeah.

and my thing is too, it's like when

people get offended over like their

kids not being invited, I've said

this before, I have a toddler, like

she's gonna be three this year.

And I'm like, I would not be offended

'cause I get it and sometimes my

husband and I just wanna night out

without her and she probably wouldn't

have that much fun at a wedding.

She maybe have fun for a

little bit dancing, but

Yeah,

if she's not invited, I'm not gonna be

like, oh my gosh, they hate children.

I'm like, I would never think that.

I'd be like, I get it, I get it.

You have a kids touching everything and

I think if there's any kind

of bar, no kids, vice versa.

cash or otherwise, like,

all, that just does not mix.

It just does not mix.

I've almost never seen it pay off

if the kids are a little older.

If there's like a very hard and fast,

like 13 and over because of certain

cousins ages and stuff like that.

I understand.

Yeah.

Everything's a case by

case basis of course.

Oh, for sure.

I think, you know, if the kids like in

your family are gonna be okay or not,

and if the bride and groomer are saying

no, they're probably like, eh, I think

the ones we know are not gonna be,

here's the next part,

here's the next part.

This is the mom, right?

Yeah.

The

mom definitely doesn't have little kids.

I mean, it could happen maybe their

early twenties and they have a 18

year gap between him and his younger

8-year-old sister or something.

Maybe, but especially for the mom

who likely doesn't have her own kids.

or I don't know, day before the wedding

shower, do like fun, wedding tea

thing with all the kids or something.

Have them dress up and do that at

noon, the Saturday before or something.

But immediately, as soon

as someone is like, Nope.

I'm like, mm mm And it

does drastically depend.

I've done a lot of house parties where

there are a few younger kids or a good

number of younger kids, and nor nine times

outta 10 when it's that kind of dynamic.

They often want to be

kind of little grownups.

They want to be, sit tight for the

show, they'll kind of, which is also

why go on a little later so that way,

they've run out of steam and everything.

Yeah.

And I have all things that

they can for sure help with.

I always carry one thing with me

specifically for kids that I can do.

Yeah.

but I also let the.

Host and everyone know that.

'cause that also means

I am not the babysitter.

I have one thing specifically for them.

The show isn't offensive.

The show is clean and everything, but

it's not, it's geared for intelligent

grownups, just like a bar, you know?

Yes.

There's nothing offensive for the

most part, for 99% of the population

of just like the presence of a bar.

yeah,

mom is upset.

So, okay.

So there's no kids and she doesn't, she

likely doesn't even have kids of her own.

Okay.

Right.

So she says she was furious

that we wouldn't invite his

second cousin's daughter.

So we're talking distant, like,

I don't even know if I invited

any of my second cousins.

Second cousins former roommate.

Yeah.

That's ridiculous.

'cause like

that make us absolutely nothing.

Right.

I'm like, I invited all my niece and

nephews, so we had five and they were

super well behaved, but I also knew

like their parents were more hands-on.

but yeah, it's, definitely case by case.

Again, you know, your own family

and like, 'cause I've heard stories

where people are like, my niece is so

misbehaved, her parents don't watch her.

She will throw things, she'll push things

on the floor that's where it's like bride

and groom or the couple getting married.

It's their choice.

Don't beg to bring your child, just

let them make their own decision.

she originally told us that

the cousin wouldn't come unless

their child could attend.

Okay.

Lynn, she can't come.

Yeah.

Okay.

and that his cousin was the only

extended family member planning to come.

when we asked for the cousin's phone

number so we could talk to them

directly, she suddenly admitted she

already told them yes on our behalf.

And there was actually no.

Oh, so mom's busted.

Now.

Mom, oh my god.

Mom.

Mom is straight busted.

Oh no.

Oh no.

Oh.

And then she lied and said there

was actually no issue with them

intending without their children.

She still claimed I was purposely

excluding her family and made

several hurtful assumptions about me.

So it sounds like the

mom is just like mad.

The fact that like maybe they don't have

a lot of close family, so she's like,

we have to have the second cousin there

because they're gonna have more people

so that she has to come with her child.

And it's like,

yeah,

not your choice.

That's the other thing too.

Everything's case by case.

If you have a ton of seven to 12

year olds, like they can all kind of.

Watch each other, you slip the 15-year-old

an extra, 50 bucks or a hundred dollars

bill a hey keep an extra eye on them,

until six o'clock when their parents

are gonna take them home or something.

realize that there's a

whole other level of plan.

You can't just say, yeah,

we're, yeah, kids are allowed.

There has to be a whole

other level of planning.

There has to be a hard out time.

There's just more questions and

more things to prepare and plan that

have nothing to do with you on a day

that's supposed to all about you.

So, I would, especially if it's

just one, then especially no.

Like, no, no, no, no.

Yeah.

When my fiance tried to explain, we

were just trying to sort everything out.

She threatened not to come to the

wedding and said the rest of his

family wouldn't come either if

the 13-year-old wasn't invited.

Oh, so she's 13.

Oh, it's a 13-year-old.

13-year-old.

And I'm like at that age they

probably, I mean it depends, but

they probably don't even wanna come.

Depends on how the close they

are, but my second cousin's kids.

I'm like, I didn't invite any of

my second cousins to my wedding.

Trying to think.

again, I'm gonna go this kind

of direction just briefly.

I can see maybe.

If like the mom, so my late mother

was actually my cousin's nanny for the

first, like six, seven years of his life.

they called her Auntie Trudy,

but she like worked for my aunt,

her sister-in-law as his nanny.

and she's not a blood relative to my

cousin Bobby, who was the one being

nannied, but like, if he was being

invited somewhere or if he was, like,

she was invited to his graduation

he's not married, but if he ever

did get married, I'd assume Yeah.

She'd be invited because she's

not just his aunt, but she also,

took care of him for a long time.

if the mom had some kind of

relationship like that, maybe if

there was some, but like none of that.

And then on top of it, like.

The mom wanted drama.

Yeah.

Mom wanted drama.

She's already upset

about

something.

Because here's the thing too,

you could get away with a

13-year-old not being a kid.

Mm-hmm.

That could have just completely

flown under the radar the whole day.

not a problem.

Oh, no kids.

Okay.

Well 'cause like a

13-year-old isn't a kid.

It's, it's a, it's you're

a teenager already.

Yeah.

have had their growth spurt and

it's all that, it's like Yeah.

They probably will just

be like, you know, scared.

They're just gonna sulk in the corner

and, be an awkward 13-year-old.

But if they're having fun with their

second cousins and aunts and uncles

and her mom and stuff, then okay.

Like, I think that could have

very easily been To me, like

okay, like yeah, that's not a kid.

that's a teenager.

which is a whole other thing.

it's the mom just trying to cause some

drama, trying to control something.

Because we also don't even know if

the second cousin said anything, like,

maybe the second cousin was like,

I don't care if they come or not.

I'll still go.

Maybe at that point the invitations

weren't even out and they didn't even

know if they were gonna invite the

second cousin, but the mom's like,

oh, well, she won't come without this.

'cause I have heard of families like that

where they already have this crazy list

of people that haven't even talked to

the bride or groom in years, and they're

like, we weren't even gonna invite them.

They're like, but it's my second cousin.

And they're like, why are you

inviting people that like, I

don't have a relationship with?

So I feel like at the end of the day,

it's like, it doesn't even matter.

Even if the person was 21 years

old and as their kid, it's like.

If they don't have a relationship

with them or didn't ha think to

include them, then they're not as

important to them as the, to the mom.

Yeah.

there's something more

going on with her wanting.

She wanted something to come to

a head with this gal, her boys

marrying, something deeper there.

I don't buy that.

It's, yeah,

okay.

So like, to kind of finish that part,

she says, the rest of the family wouldn't

show up either if the 13-year-old

wasn't invited, or technically if

she was uninvited, since his mom

had already taken it upon herself

to say yes, then she insisted on

speaking a 13-year-old girl too.

I'm making all the wrong

assumptions on this.

Okay.

A 13-year-old girl definitely

wants to go to a wedding.

And like that wouldn't be a, like,

I don't know, is in your mind,

is that a kid in all seriousness?

am I just crazy here?

Yes.

To

me, that's a kid.

It is a kid.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Like we did only, 21 and

older at our wedding.

So anyone that was under, because

I had cousins that were like

younger and I didn't invite them.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

And if you've got like a bunch

of cousins, you gotta invite, you

can't invite just one, you gotta

invite them all kind of deal.

Deal.

Like

got two

maybe at 13 if it was like my

parents' second cousin's wedding,

I don't know if I would go to that.

But if it was like aunt and uncle at

13, oh yeah, I would've loved that.

So it just depends on your relation.

Yeah, like, but my parents would never

have been like, you have to invite my kid.

My

This is a rollercoaster.

Geez.

I, I could see again, like,

yes, anyone under, if, if, if

no kids means no one under 21.

Yes.

I, I, I think to me when I say no kids,

I think like thir no one, 13 and under.

Like, that's, that's kind of

where my brain was kind of at.

Um.

Because like if one teenager comes,

it's like, okay, well then, oh, dang it.

But know, that sucks.

I feel bad for the teen.

Like what are they gonna do?

You know?

Right.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

I mean, I think really what it

comes down to is that the bride

and groom said no and the mom.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that's the big thing.

you gotta just, learn when to hold

'em, learn when to fold 'em and

like, I think the mom is trying

to just not make it easy on them.

I think the mom's trying to come up with

anything possible that she can pivot,

because like, that's the other thing.

There's lots of ways you can ruin

a relationship or ruin a wedding.

I think she's trying to come up, these

are the only things that, the only straw

she's grasping at that she can turn

around to be there slash her future.

And daughter-in-law's fault.

Which right.

Is not, and no one, no.

Everyone's seeing through.

Like, no, no.

You're just hiding it behind your back.

no, like we know what you're doing.

Yeah.

She's

fighting

something

also.

No one else in the family will come.

Well, does the rest of the

family know she's crazy?

'cause they might like that can,

that's a bold move on the mom to

think like, oh, everyone's gonna,

yeah, I hear this stuff all the

time with these kind of people.

They always threaten not to come.

They'd be like, oh, if you don't do

this, if you don't have your brother

in the wedding, if you don't have this

girl as a flower girl, we'll not come.

And it's like, okay, then.

don't.

Okay, she insisted.

Then on speaking to my fiancé alone

during that call, she told him she was

embarrassed by our wedding, embarrassed

by how we treated the family, and

incredibly disappointed in him.

After a lot of yelling and crying,

she demanded that he come over

to have a sit down conversation

with both parents without me.

After we talked it through, he went

thinking it was the best option.

That conversation lasted

three and a half hours.

It's all this talking.

It's getting shorter.

It's getting shorter.

Okay.

A little shorter.

Yeah,

During it, they raised some concerns

about me basically saying I was fake.

And then I just, say whatever

people wanted to hear to smooth

over the conversations they implied.

I was a no they,

difficult conversations first of

all, okay, okay, well let's get to

the gold digger thing in a moment.

I have kind of a weird theory

that's just popped into all of this.

cause this has happened, to me as well.

Okay.

you're mad at her trying to smooth over

the problems you're creating, like Right.

That that's,

oh my gosh.

She's too kind.

She's not causing more drama.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This has been referenced a

couple times, where she says,

the mom has said the family.

Mm-hmm.

I have a new perspective on

this and I might be projecting

this might be a mob thing.

I was, again, early in my career.

Again, the show was great, but this

is just one of those little stories.

it was in downtown Chicago.

I took the train down and, went

to the venue and they were, I'm

still getting paid on Arrival Cash.

I now get, you know, I don't go

anywhere without a deposit now.

but that's how long ago it was.

And she was like, oh yeah, my

husband will take care of you.

And I'm like, a little nervous about that.

I'm like, does he know how much?

Like, is he gonna throw a stink?

What's gonna, but he was fine.

he was like, oh yeah, sure.

He's like, love that.

You take cash.

Cash is great in my business.

And as he's saying that, he's taking

out a wad, just a rubber band, just a

wad of no cards in between, either just,

yeah,

cash, just stack.

And I'm so young and naive,

he starts peeling him off.

He's like, good.

I love cash in my business too.

And I'm so young and naive.

I go, oh, what business is that?

And he literally stops, looks

at me, looks back at the money.

Peels off what he owes me.

Peels off an extra a hundred

and just goes seafood business.

Oh.

And I'm like, love seafood.

Yeah, seafood.

Wonderful.

Love it, love it.

that event went so well that like

two, three-ish years later I'm doing

another event and they're there.

someone at that party booked me for

their party and I see 'em and I, grew

up fast and show business, doing all

these events and I just see 'em and

I go, how's the seafood business?

And there was a moment where

like, you know, when someone's

like, what do they mean?

Yeah.

it was just like a half second

of that and he goes, ah, booming.

So Got it.

okay.

Yep.

That's all we're gonna talk about.

That's all we're gonna talk about.

Yes.

again, we've been at some

events where it's like, oh, that

person don't mess with Vinny.

Don't, you know, like, there's some

events I've been out where it's like,

okay, I'm getting some weird mob vibe.

So now like, disrespecting the

family and now gold digger.

mm-hmm.

honestly, like that just doesn't

happen when it's a family company.

It happens when it's a

family business, you know?

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So I'm getting weird, like

matriarchal, even if it's not, illegal.

Just some weird like.

Oh

mob, vibey.

You know what I mean?

like,

I don't know if I've read just like

enough of these wedding stories.

it's a pure, mama's boy thing.

I've seen it in so many stories where

the mom will call the new wife Gold

digger because there's some kind of

jealousy or insecurity where the boy

is leaving the house and it's so weird.

But they've completely, the

second they call someone a gold

digger, I'm like, you're done.

Like, sorry.

Thoughts on credibility.

Okay, so that's a little more.

All right.

So I might be reading too

much into it, but like

you might be onto it.

I don't know.

That's, I've just seen it

a lot in these stories.

Sure.

That's like their go-to thing is

like, oh, she's a gold digger.

She just wants you for your money.

When that's even happened in stories

where like, the woman's making

more than the man and the mom will

be like, oh, she's a gold digger.

She's wants you for this or that, and it's

just their go-to, and sold, I've found.

Yeah.

Okay.

So called, they called her a gold digger.

Said she's too nice.

She's too flexible with

all of our crazy demands.

Like, come on.

She's just her Pushover.

Right.

okay, so then she did ad she said his

family is very well off and mine isn't.

So they're just bringing out money in it.

Okay.

Fair.

But

yeah, they even said, I exaggerate my

pain to get out of family gatherings.

For context, I've had three hip

surgeries in the last five years.

My most recent one was October,

2024, and yet I haven't missed

a single family gathering.

The most I've done is step

away to sit somewhere more

comfortable to manage my pain.

They also told him something along

the lines of, we know once you make a

decision, you stick with it, but we need

you to tell us if this is really what you

want and we'll help you get out of it.

So now they're trying to talk to him, get

out of the wedding, meaning marrying me.

He defended me, but it felt

like once one issue was

addressed, another one popped up.

Immediately.

By the time he came home after

hours with them blaming me for

everything, he was emotionally wrecked.

This whole situation was breaking him.

He keeps saying he wants to keep the

peace, but at the same time his mom is

currently planning my bridal shower.

I'd be like, I don't want her

touching anything wedding related

odd,

which was an olive branch I

tried to extend a while ago.

Now I feel like I don't want someone

who thinks so poorly of me planning

something meant to celebrate me.

If you're listening to this

now, I would say tell her you

no longer want her planning it.

Have friends or your family do it or

don't have one, and I would not be,

I literally would not be going to an

event of someone that like hates me.

Yeah.

is that it, is that the end of it?

There

was a little bit more.

Do a little bit more.

'cause I want to, I have one more

theory of what they can do next,

but let's hear the end of it.

he genuinely believes they like me.

I don't know how I feel

about this fiance anymore.

Oof, oof.

How many times you have to

be told by your parents.

She's the problem.

She's a gold digger.

are you sure you wanna do this?

It's definitely been toxic.

Positive too much in my life.

I can't throw stone in that house.

Continue.

I still say, okay, he's not the red flag.

That's been the biggest

red flag for him so far.

He's still doing all.

Yeah, he's I definitely

wouldn't call him a red flag.

I think he's definitely more, he's

trying to keep the peace, like she

said, but it's also, you have to look

at the dynamic of his mom being very

controlling and maybe manipulative.

so he's like, I want everyone to be happy.

These are people I all care about.

they really do like you.

I promise you just don't know them yet.

like that kind of thing.

that's hard.

so she genuinely believes they like me

and are just concerned, but I don't see

how someone can like me while believing

I'm fake manipulative and using him.

He broke down crying and said he doesn't

know how much more conflict he can take.

And honestly now I don't

know what to do either.

He's extremely involved with his family.

He works for the family business.

called it.

I called it, I called that did, did

Mind reader.

Mind Reader totally called that?

Totally, yes.

Okay.

You might really be honest.

Something.

And they don't want her stealing from this

family business or learning the secrets.

did they say that?

Did they say

that?

So I just am implying.

Okay.

Okay.

I was gonna say.

Okay.

Alright.

Alright.

Well she just said and sees most

of them every single day, at work.

So now I'm stuck wondering, do I

keep the peace and hope he eventually

realizes how toxic this is?

Or do I finally speak up about how

I feel and risk everything blowing

up because I genuinely don't know.

Alright, so she needs some advice here.

Okay.

keep in mind, I am a straight white man.

No one should listen to me.

I do have empathy, but

that's my only superpower.

Um, hey,

empathy is a great superpower.

it is a great superpower.

but then everything's your kryptonite.

okay.

So now that, okay.

So I think there are options.

I actually think, provided it is,

setting aside the jokes about, mob

ties and everything, if it is a

legitimate family printing business

or, brewery or something, there's no

money laundering or anything like that.

I would actually say, Put things

on a six month hold and offer

to work at the family business.

Oh,

I would say, Hey, you

clearly don't trust me yet.

now you're opening yourself up to

a lot of literal, crap shoveling.

you'll be cleaning the

toilets and all the others.

I understand this is in some ways could be

mentally and physically not the most safe.

but if you are in their world, in

their, for lack of a better term,

because they have their own culture now.

Like what?

You know, I was making all the jokes

before, but if it's a family business

and they're seeing each other every

day, you are now this extra extra thing

think there's gotta be some level to

where they can see the value of you, not

just the value you bring to their son.

Is that necessarily right or

the best way or anything else?

Probably not, but it is a suggestion,

that I think is a worthwhile

exploration to take or at least offer.

either way I say pump the brakes a

little, maybe reset some dates if you can.

I know that's a pain in the butt.

I know.

But so is dealing with

these people forever.

this is the only like hard and fast

advice I give to just about anyone.

The way relationships begin,

typically the way they continue.

Mm-hmm.

And I mean that with everything,

with business, if you start

having to chase a client, you

don't have to keep chasing them.

And yeah, that may be great for

the once every five year payoff,

for that one really big event.

they book you for.

but you're gonna be best off with

a client that will meet you on even

playing field and wants to work with

you as much as you wanna work with them.

Mm-hmm.

It's

the same with romantic relationships.

If you have to keep chasing and

keep texting and keep doing all this

mm-hmm.

You have to keep doing that Doesn't

sound like, this person has that with

their fiance, but they definitely

have it with the parent and that

is the one risk of doing this.

Yeah.

not to say toxic cycles can't be broken

and relationships can't be fixed.

They absolutely can.

But just typically, typically as a

general rule, even if the two, her and

the mom-in-law become bosom buddies

in 10, 15, 20 years, there's still

gonna probably be some form of tension.

It's just shifted somewhere else.

Like

hierarchy

or something?

Yeah.

Hierarchy or something.

So you gotta decide if it's worth

playing Their hierarchy game mm-hmm.

For your husband.

it sounds like the husband is so

ingrained in it, he's probably

not going to notice any of it.

Yeah.

he's probably not gonna go no

contact or anything like that.

I know there's, that's a whole

other discussion of everything.

Yeah.

Whole.

I also have the opposite advice, which

may be just as crazy, but may work.

get a prenup and elope.

Get a prenup elope.

It's done.

Now it's just, do you wanna celebrate

us and this new chapter of our lives,

yeah.

there's gotta be some level of hard

reset, whether it's eloping, whether it's

working, whether it's, I think that's the

common thread of all these things that are

coming to me, which is I think there needs

to be some level needs of hard reset.

That you have to do.

You can't expect the fiance, the

husband, the son, be a part of.

when you do any of those things,

I feel like it kind of takes

care of all the other stuff.

Mm-hmm.

And means yes, you do have to, in some

ways start over, but you know more of

what you're getting into and you at least

You know, the game you're playing

too, at this point it sounds like

they're really trying hard to play

chess and the mother-in-law is the

pigeon walking around, crapping on the

board and strutting like it's winning.

Yeah.

So

you either gotta learn to clean it

up and take care of the pigeon and

ingratiate yourself in the culture

because you're not gonna teach at chess.

Yeah.

But, there's also this saying,

don't wrestle with a pig.

You both get dirty and the pig lights it.

Mm.

So

it

sounds like she Yeah.

She gets mad when they like peace.

Yes.

you can't go in wanting to like beat

them at their own game or something

like that if you are going to work

or elope or any of that stuff.

It's all gotta be from a standpoint

of, look, all has the thing of this

is happening, let's do a hard reset.

Mm-hmm.

You have too much in the way

of what you think about me

rather than actually knowing me.

So yeah.

' cause nine times outta

10, like there's a reason.

This is romantic comedy or romcom or

chick flick or whatever you wanna call it.

so many plots where

it's what's the secret?

Oh, do a girl's trip and at the end,

after they've had it all out and had

their really big thing, they're now best

friends, you know, and make it time,

just in time for the wedding, yada yada.

Yeah.

but there's a grain of truth

to that, like, you know, yeah.

there's something and I don't think

the mom's going to give any of that.

You gotta either, again,

clean slate, Hey, it's done.

Now we're just having the

celebration And it's up to you

if you wanna be a part of it.

Here's my thought, so

I'd love to hear your thought.

I agree with you.

Where like people like that kinda

want the game and once you kind of

give a little bit, they're gonna

take as much as they can and they're

gonna always have that hierarchy.

It's like that quote of like, what is it?

I'm gonna mess it up.

It's like, give an inch.

They take a mile or whatever.

It's like they're gonna keep going.

So maybe it's, 'cause I've read some

of these stories, I feel like you

need to, one, I think it needs to be

the fiance that puts his foot down.

It can't be you because

she doesn't like you.

And it's been very clear

that she doesn't like you.

So I think the fiance has to be the one

that says, this is what we're doing.

I'm not putting up with this

smack talk about my fiance.

and if you keep doing

this, we are gonna elope.

So if they can threaten not coming,

then we're gonna threaten to elope.

And maybe, again, I've read too many of

these stories and I don't know, again,

I haven't had this actual situation

or I've amazing in-laws and parents

that were involved in our wedding.

So yeah.

I can't say from personal experience,

but from reading so many of these,

I'm like, you don't wanna play their

game, but you wanna surpass their game.

You wanna be

like, that's ultimately where everything

I was saying was working in the company

is a way to surpass, like, yes, you're

kind of going into the game, but you're

surpassing the current game, basically.

Oh yeah.

You're on the next level.

You're like,

I'm already up.

You're you're getting around

that to get directly into

Yeah.

The family.

Um, Sean,

you're not an amateur.

You're, you're, you're

surpassing all their game.

and I do agree with you, no matter which,

if you go any of these routes, definitely.

I think it does have to be

the husband who says, look.

this is how it's gonna be, then we're

gonna elope, and then you can decide if

you wanna be a part of our wedding, you

know, celebrate that after the fact.

Mm-hmm.

I feel like then when they get kind of

like, they try it again, they're like, oh,

we actually already booked this a place.

So,

yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

You know, well then that's

the other thing too.

the next thing I think you're right,

has to be the fiance saying that,

but I think she has to be there too.

It has to be the two of you no

more, no more him going by himself.

Yes.

You're, you are direct, double

Now, final thing too, 'cause again,

you have, a great situation with

your family and your in-laws.

again, I'll get to my full wedding story

in a moment, but, I always tell people

when it comes to, like my wife and I, we

just, we've been together a decade now.

I always say that I think it was

Bo Burnham who talked about this,

but like, we are lottery winners.

People are coming to for financial advice.

we can't just be like,

oh, buy Powerball tickets.

It clearly works.

we've got someone who like

came with not a lot of drama.

there is like that aspect of it.

Yes, of course.

but I do think there's an

opportunity to have a different

perspective on this all of course.

And everything.

And, sometimes you just know, I think

the two of them together, he needs to

tell them, but she needs to be there.

It can't be another, maybe just two to

four hour conversations about Christmas

and everything that is your life now.

I think talking to the husband or

fiance saying like, Hey, this may

be how it is for a very long time.

If this does not change,

what's the game plan?

What is, yeah.

Because you can't just expect

it's going to be better one day.

they need to work with you on that.

anyways, that's, my final that's on that.

Good

advice.

Okay.

So I got married on Friday

the 13th in November of 2020.

Whoa.

Okay.

So, and on purpose too, this was not

cancellation, this is not reschedule.

So we got engaged, we had been

together and living together for a

few years and we had gotten engaged,

day after Christmas in 2019 in Hawaii.

So like we came home after New Year's

and we were engaged and we initially

talked about a longer engagement

'cause we were already living together.

We wanted to take some time and plan.

Then COVID hit.

I am an independent sole proprietor,

small business owner, independent

artist, insurance, all that.

so being on her insurance would

be the better call also, without

getting too much into that.

And, my late mothers will just say

religious and political affiliations.

If I were in the hospital, I would

want my wife, Lindsay to be in

charge of making those decisions.

Not my mom.

And my mom is no longer with

us, but, that's a whole other

conversation for another podcast.

But at the time she was alive and

I was like, no, I don't when I

told that to Lindsay, she was like,

oh, we should do this like soon.

Mm-hmm.

And we realized, oh my gosh,

like there's all these social

distance weddings happening.

And.

we looked at a few venues and stuff,

but turns off, if you wanna get married

on Friday the 13th, during a pandemic,

you get it's open deals, you get deals.

We got the Grand Geneva for a deal.

and we had the dinner, at

individual tables downstairs.

It was less than 20 people.

it was us our parents.

My best friend officiated the wedding.

so he was able to be there.

I had three out of four grandparents

still alive at that point, and

she had one, still alive, so

they all got to be there a bit.

and I was like, oh, we're

getting married Friday the 13th.

Ha ha ha.

We're tempting fate.

yeah.

three weeks before the

wedding we got COVID.

Oh no,

it was right on the cusp, like literally

like five days before the wedding was

when we were like no longer contagious.

Oh

my gosh.

You're like counting the days.

We were, we were, and we were just

worried like, oh my God, are we

gonna be able to taste the food?

we were still worried about it.

but yeah, but like when people say,

oh, you got married on Friday the

13th, that's very on brand for you.

And I say, yeah, in 2020.

Well,

they're like, wait,

yeah, in November.

Oh, oh

my gosh.

Got a heck of a deal.

since then, her younger sister got

married and my parents-in-law, have

said several times, both during the

planning, before, during and after.

You two did it the right way.

that's all they said.

And I was like, all right, good.

All right.

I love it.

Okay, so I know we're kind of

running outta time, but I know

you wanted to do another little

mental do this.

it's not so much mind reading, more so

kind of a mystical guided visualization,

that everyone can, play along with.

it really accesses, the

imagination and so forth.

And at the end, I'll kind of tell you

the hidden meaning behind all of it.

it's a way to connect, not even

really with me, but with yourself Now.

just a couple other quick things too.

number one, I'm not gonna try

to guess like anyone's pin

code or anything through this.

No one's gonna be hypnotized

or anything like that.

It's just a visualization.

So if you wanna close your eyes

for this, you can, Christa,

and Cynthia with everyone else.

But imagine that one day you

come across a secret guard, okay?

A wall with vines and growth around it.

but you find a small wooden door.

But to open it, you

need the key of virtue.

Mm-hmm.

So I'm gonna list off some positive

virtues and character traits.

You don't have to remember all of them.

Just remember one that you see

in yourself and see in others.

Ready?

Okay.

So here we go.

Remember one of these, we've got strength

tolerance, wit bravery, youth sincerity,

tenacity, wisdom, balance, sensitivity.

remember one of those?

Yep.

Okay.

Everyone else remember

one, concentrate on it.

and suddenly a beam of light

comes down from the heavens.

And in this beam is the key to this door.

And the head of the key is the

first letter of your virtue or

character trait that you're,

thinking of that you saw in yourself.

So imagine you grab that key, feel the

warmth of the light shining, as you

put it in the lock, and slowly open

the door and enter the secret garden.

It's beautiful, the plants,

the wildlife, the trees.

However, in the center of this

garden, there's a special tree,

a tree that mystically has many

different fruits growing on it.

I'll tell you the names of,

all of the fruits in a moment.

Now, one of these names has the

letter from your key in its name.

Okay?

Now that letter might not be the

first letter in the fruit's name.

Your letter might be in the middle or all

the way at the end of the fruit's name.

Okay?

So stay alert and remember the fruit

that has your letter in the name.

Here we go.

Apple peach, strawberry, pineapple,

lemon, lime, grape, pear, orange, plum.

Remember your fruit.

Okay.

And imagine you can reach up

and pluck it from the tree.

Feel it in your hands, and

take a big bite of that fruit.

And imagine it's sweetness, it's texture,

it's color, it's bright red color.

Because if you've listened properly

and have been properly guided

during this visualization, you

should be imagining a strawberry.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

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Yeah, and also share

this with a friend too.

See if it works on them.

Yeah.

That's wild.

we'll do like the clip on Instagram and

then we'll share it on YouTube as well,

so people can comment and we'll tag you so

they can, it can be on your page as well.

No, that's awesome.

That, that's a wild exercise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Well, thank you so much

for coming on today.

It was so nice meeting you and Oh, nice.

And hearing about your journey.

And yes, hearing your, stories

and everything on the podcast

too have been great as well.

so I'm glad we finally able we're to

connect and make this happen, so yeah.

Yeah.

This is great.

Thanks so much.