<v Speaker 1>Welcome to but I'm a Lesbian, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you were a baby, gay.

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<v Speaker 2>and Angelina. Get ready for some sapphag serotonin. Also, I

<v Speaker 2>forgot we were going to introduce ourselves as our nicknames.

<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think we talked about it on either

<v Speaker 2>episode eleven or twelve.

<v Speaker 1>I think it was episode twelve. Yeah, we were like,

<v Speaker 1>we have new names now.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, well my name is Kat. Now I'm going to

<v Speaker 2>try to remember, but I probably won't. Is that what

<v Speaker 2>my name is supposed to? I was like, yeah, your

<v Speaker 2>name's Kat. I think I don't know. I might be wrong.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, start from the top. You're whe're your hosts. Where

<v Speaker 1>your host Kat and Angie.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like we're all friends now. Because we have

<v Speaker 2>unnames for each other, we need to make a nickname

<v Speaker 2>for the listeners, like, you know how like my Favorite Murder.

<v Speaker 2>Obviously we're not huge like My Favorite Murder, but they

<v Speaker 2>call their listeners Murderinos and I really like it. It's like,

<v Speaker 2>so what, so I don't know what should what do

<v Speaker 2>you guys want to be called? Yeah, it could just

<v Speaker 2>be like baby gays. I don't know, I don't know.

<v Speaker 2>Think about it and let us know something that has

<v Speaker 2>to do with like cherries or being gay or I

<v Speaker 2>don't know, what else do we talk about, you figure?

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, I think that's all we talk about being.

<v Speaker 2>Gay And like movies, movie renos, No, it's gonna be good.

<v Speaker 2>We're gonna come up with something. We're gonna tell us

<v Speaker 2>in the comments. So if you have any ideas, because

<v Speaker 2>our ideas are really interesting.

<v Speaker 1>Apparently, I think it's when we're putting the spot that

<v Speaker 1>we're like, yeah, I'm like what hard?

<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this week we are going to talk about

<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and five film from director Alice Wu

<v Speaker 2>Saving Face. Okay. The movie is set in New York

<v Speaker 2>City and it revolves around a love story between a

<v Speaker 2>ballerina and a young surgeon. And those are really fancy.

<v Speaker 1>Jobs, I know, right, Well, that's so cool.

<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been to New York City?

<v Speaker 1>Angie? Oh my god, I did include my new name

<v Speaker 1>in there.

<v Speaker 2>I just forgot to have in that way, and if

<v Speaker 2>you have never been, would you want to go? And

<v Speaker 2>what would you want to do when you're there?

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've never been to New York City, but yes,

<v Speaker 1>I do want to go. I actually used to want

<v Speaker 1>to live there, like when I was really young, because

<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, New York, Like I

<v Speaker 1>want to live there. And then I got older and

<v Speaker 1>then I was like, okay, yeah, no money, nothing, It's like,

<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's beautiful, but yeah, super huge.

<v Speaker 2>I know it scares me because it's such a big

<v Speaker 2>city and we're from such a small like town. But

<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people like to move to

<v Speaker 2>a big city from a small town. I feel like

<v Speaker 2>I would be like like here, I feel like we're

<v Speaker 2>like big fish in a little pond because I think

<v Speaker 2>we're too cool for our small town. But in a

<v Speaker 2>big city, Oh yeah, there's so many cool, unique people.

<v Speaker 2>And then we'll be like, oh, well, everyone knows that

<v Speaker 2>I want to go back anyway. Okay, Like if you

<v Speaker 2>were gonna go there to visit or move there, but

<v Speaker 2>you said you don't want to move there anymore.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I had thought like my friend and I

<v Speaker 1>had said that we would get like we would go

<v Speaker 1>to college over there, and then we would like write

<v Speaker 1>we would like be roommates because that's the only way.

<v Speaker 1>We thought, like, oh my god. Yeah. But then after

<v Speaker 1>when we got a little bit older and we're like, oh,

<v Speaker 1>should we do this or not, I'm like, well, we

<v Speaker 1>definitely would need to be roommates because we can't like,

<v Speaker 1>you know.

<v Speaker 2>In a closet, like a tiny closet.

<v Speaker 1>Literally just like this, babe. Yeah. And then afterwards we're like, Okay,

<v Speaker 1>that's just not really like doable. I mean it could

<v Speaker 1>have been, yes, But then I also, like you said too,

<v Speaker 1>I just felt like it was a really big city

<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh my god, yeah, it's a

<v Speaker 1>lot of money, and plus I'm like all these schools

<v Speaker 1>and everything, you know. And so I ended up not

<v Speaker 1>but I still want to visit. I think it'll be

<v Speaker 1>fun to visit and explore and you know, just see

<v Speaker 1>what's out there. Well, I can do like an event, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>le tour.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to New York that we're scared of.

<v Speaker 2>It's so big. We were like, if we ever did

<v Speaker 2>a tour, we should just tour really tiny like podunk towns.

<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, similar to our town.

<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that we get.

<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know what I think. Sometimes really small

<v Speaker 2>like acts still get venues in big cities, but they're

<v Speaker 2>just like holding the wall places in the big city,

<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But I was gonna ask you, Okay,

<v Speaker 2>did you have a college that you wanted to go

<v Speaker 2>to there? Like, were you like, we're going to go

<v Speaker 2>to NYU My god, we would be classmates, except no,

<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't because I'm ten years older than you, So

<v Speaker 2>we would have missed each other.

<v Speaker 1>I know, if you think about it, if we both

<v Speaker 1>had moved to New York, you would already like, I mean, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>I actually would not have met like you would probably

<v Speaker 1>already be with like it's elite lesbians, and then like

<v Speaker 1>I would just be starting out and then I'd be like,

<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I don't know, yeah, and then we

<v Speaker 1>never would have made the podcast.

<v Speaker 2>Now I know, we would live in different boroughs exactly.

<v Speaker 1>And we would never see each other. Must move to

<v Speaker 1>the same borough, yes.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, I do want to go to New York someday. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>I have a I want to go to New York

<v Speaker 2>and go to the cubby hole.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, because this is well.

<v Speaker 2>It's not like, I still I don't think it's it's

<v Speaker 2>fully a lesbian bar, but I only have ever heard

<v Speaker 2>lesbians talk about it. And so I used to listen

<v Speaker 2>to this podcast that I stopped listening to because they

<v Speaker 2>made me mad. This happens to me a lot.

<v Speaker 1>They make you mad and stop.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was We're Having Gay Sex with Ashley Gavin,

<v Speaker 2>and I listened to it from the very beginning, but

<v Speaker 2>then she had this guy on that was talking about

<v Speaker 2>going to massage parlors to get happy endings, and it

<v Speaker 2>made me mad because Okay, the women that are in

<v Speaker 2>those massage parlors are being trafficked, Like, so you going

<v Speaker 2>in there like you? He was framing it as like

<v Speaker 2>I'm supporting them, like this is what they offer. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>I don't think they want to offer that. They've been

<v Speaker 2>forced and trafficked and they it's like they have to

<v Speaker 2>be there and they have to rub your dirty dick.

<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to fucking do that exactly coming from a

<v Speaker 2>list actually was like and anyway, she was like, oh cool,

<v Speaker 2>like she didn't say anything back, and it made me mad,

<v Speaker 2>so I stopped listening to it. Also because Ashley used

<v Speaker 2>to have a really funny like co host, and the

<v Speaker 2>co host left, and when the co host left, they

<v Speaker 2>got a new a different co host, and this co

<v Speaker 2>host called themselves a bisexual lesbian and they thought it

<v Speaker 2>was funny and it picked me the fuck off. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>because that was strike one. I think they were a

<v Speaker 2>bisexual lesbian was because they were like, I'm by, but

<v Speaker 2>I look like a lesbian. So I'm like, so you

<v Speaker 2>can't call yourself a bisexual. You're bisexual and you are

<v Speaker 2>more mask presenting, like I don't know. It just bothered me.

<v Speaker 2>And the the person that Ashley had before, I cannot

<v Speaker 2>remember their name, but they were so funny. They were

<v Speaker 2>a non binary comedian. I think I I could remember

<v Speaker 2>their name to give them a shout out, but they

<v Speaker 2>cracked me up, like the name, and I felt like

<v Speaker 2>I learned a lot. Yeah, well both of them. The

<v Speaker 2>one we don't like. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, anyway, what

<v Speaker 2>was I going to say about? Why was I talking

<v Speaker 2>about that? Oh? The host co hosts that I liked

<v Speaker 2>would talk about going to cubbyhole okay all the time.

<v Speaker 2>And then when I was reading The Pants Book, which

<v Speaker 2>is from Leisha Haley and Kate Menniglesha talked about when

<v Speaker 2>she moved to New York. She moved to New York

<v Speaker 2>City from Nebraska when she turned I think she was

<v Speaker 2>still seventeen when she went to college because of when

<v Speaker 2>her birthday falls and she went to the cubby hole and.

<v Speaker 1>We have to go now, Oh my god.

<v Speaker 2>And also like I want to go to Stonewall and

<v Speaker 2>I want to go to all the vegan places because

<v Speaker 2>I have a friend, so many options. Yes, and I

<v Speaker 2>have a friend that lives in New York, like not

<v Speaker 2>in the city, she lives like a few hours away.

<v Speaker 2>But we were trying to plan a trip and I

<v Speaker 2>was like, She's like, I can take you to all

<v Speaker 2>the vegan restaurants, and I really wanted to go, but

<v Speaker 2>we're not traveling anywhere because fuck Ice, you know, am

<v Speaker 2>I going to get Am I going to get in

<v Speaker 2>trouble for saying that?

<v Speaker 1>No, by are.

<v Speaker 2>Any of our listeners into Ice?

<v Speaker 3>I do?

<v Speaker 2>I mean we said a cab on our first episode.

<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, if they are, please leave.

<v Speaker 2>We do not want you exactly anyway. So that's why

<v Speaker 2>we haven't traveled though, because it's like scary to travel

<v Speaker 2>for people of color, Like my wife is very, very

<v Speaker 2>scared even though she's a US citizen that's born here,

<v Speaker 2>because they've just been detaining anybody that's brown, and now

<v Speaker 2>it seems like they're just his detaining and shooting anybody.

<v Speaker 2>So I don't even feel like I had this false

<v Speaker 2>like thought where I was like, well, I can use

<v Speaker 2>my white privilege for good and like protect her and

<v Speaker 2>other people of color. But I mean, I can try,

<v Speaker 2>but I will probably get shot too, because they are

<v Speaker 2>shooting anybody that is trying to intervene and help other people,

<v Speaker 2>which maybe is also part of why my wife told

<v Speaker 2>me to not talk to that guy at Denny's today

<v Speaker 2>that was throwing a fit. She's like, don't get today.

<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm trying to like privilege for good.

<v Speaker 1>I feel like what was really like stop galic, I know, And.

<v Speaker 2>I was like, you're like, hold on. There was a

<v Speaker 2>stupid guy at Denny's today that was throwing a fit

<v Speaker 2>about his pancakes being small, and he was being so

<v Speaker 2>mean to the servers. And then one of the servers

<v Speaker 2>was Latino and he was like hey, amigo to him

<v Speaker 2>and we were like, oh no, you're like what, It's

<v Speaker 2>like the fuck Okay, So anyway, it would be cool

<v Speaker 2>to go to New York. I've been to New York once.

<v Speaker 2>It was for a layover, but it was like a

<v Speaker 2>twelve hour layover or something. So it was like and

<v Speaker 2>we had to get a hotel, oh okay, and I

<v Speaker 2>did not have fun. I fucking hated it. And I

<v Speaker 2>found out later it's because we went to Times Square

<v Speaker 2>because that's like where you see on TV. And it

<v Speaker 2>smelled like pee and it was really hot because it

<v Speaker 2>was summer, so it was like muggy, and the peace

<v Speaker 2>was really bad. And then we went to like restaurants.

<v Speaker 2>We went to like two restaurants, but they were like

<v Speaker 2>very overpriced because they were in Times Square, they were

<v Speaker 2>obviously a tourist trap. We didn't know. I was literally

<v Speaker 2>like thirteen or something. I was like young, and we

<v Speaker 2>went to Barnes and Noble and I got three books

<v Speaker 2>that I still have some of them to this day.

<v Speaker 2>One of them is Valley of the Dolls, and then god,

<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the other two books. But I bought

<v Speaker 2>three books at the Barnes and Noble and I was

<v Speaker 2>really excited about it. And that's the first place I

<v Speaker 2>try to matcha frappuccino.

<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

<v Speaker 2>Now, when I travel somewhere, I specifically don't go to

<v Speaker 2>places that you could go everywhere, Like I wouldn't go

<v Speaker 2>to Barnes and Noble. I would go to a local bookstore.

<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know any better. I was. I was

<v Speaker 2>thirteen year Oh oh my god.

<v Speaker 1>Cool.

<v Speaker 2>And I remember we were with my dad's friend and

<v Speaker 2>his kids that were like around my age, and they

<v Speaker 2>were like, you gotta try this matcha frappuccino. And I

<v Speaker 2>was like, I hate tea, and they were like, it

<v Speaker 2>doesn't taste like tea anyway. So I tried it and

<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, this is really good. You're like

<v Speaker 2>just taste like sweet ice cream milkshakes. So good. Anyway,

<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, and now we have to go to New York.

<v Speaker 4>Okay, No, yeah, we do, not anytime soon, I know,

<v Speaker 4>eventually sad because by the time I get there, are

<v Speaker 4>all the vegan restaurants gonna be closed because there's like a.

<v Speaker 2>Vegan restaurant closure pandemic happening the last year, and like

<v Speaker 2>all of the restaurants which are mainly in like big

<v Speaker 2>cities like LA like they're either adding me or they're closing.

<v Speaker 2>And New York also but I don't pay as much

<v Speaker 2>attention to the New York once because I'm like, oh,

<v Speaker 2>that's the other side of I was gonna say the world,

<v Speaker 2>the other side of all America.

<v Speaker 4>It feels like the other I'm like, I'm not gonna

<v Speaker 4>make it to New York so far.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, Anyway, is there anything else you want to talk

<v Speaker 2>about New York? Like?

<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I think you covered it.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So do you have any hot takes or

<v Speaker 2>burning desires that you want to share about this movie?

<v Speaker 1>Okay? Yes, I mean yeah, So I think we had

<v Speaker 1>discussed and we saved our opinions because oh yeah, we

<v Speaker 1>didn't want to, like, you know, we wanted our reactions

<v Speaker 1>to be genuine for our podcast. So the first time

<v Speaker 1>I watched it, I was like, oh my god, this

<v Speaker 1>is like a cool movie. Like I liked it. What

<v Speaker 1>other were parts that I thought were funny?

<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

<v Speaker 1>Then the second like time around watching it, I didn't

<v Speaker 1>really like it, and I felt like, I don't know,

<v Speaker 1>maybe it's I don't know, maybe I had like imagined

<v Speaker 1>it a certain way when I first watched it, But

<v Speaker 1>then when rewatching it, I was just like, huh, like it.

<v Speaker 2>Has an age twelve. I mean, you didn't watch it

<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five. It's been a child, like

<v Speaker 2>a little child. But I'm like, maybe it just seems

<v Speaker 2>really dated or.

<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I just feel like I don't know.

<v Speaker 1>It was just I thought that there was like, you know,

<v Speaker 1>representation of like queer women, and especially like the traditional

<v Speaker 1>values that Will had, like with their family. Yeah, and

<v Speaker 1>even Vivian like not pursuing like a traditional career of

<v Speaker 1>being a ballerina. I'm like, who's like family wouldn't be

<v Speaker 1>happy that you're a ballerina?

<v Speaker 2>What?

<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

<v Speaker 2>Cool?

<v Speaker 1>But you know, yeah, so yeah, I mean I like

<v Speaker 1>that part of it. It's just it's not my way

<v Speaker 1>for it, I guess. Yeah, just disappointing to me. But

<v Speaker 1>there's I guess nothing like very wrong, like how the

<v Speaker 1>other ones were awful Yeah yeah, and we were like,

<v Speaker 1>oh that sucked so bad or they did age like poorly,

<v Speaker 1>where it was like yeah, everything that they did was bad. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>what about you?

<v Speaker 3>Well?

<v Speaker 2>I wrote two things. I wrote that I kept be

<v Speaker 2>distracted by feeling bad for the fish in the apartment

<v Speaker 2>because they were like big like goldfish that were in

<v Speaker 2>a tiny bowl. And I was like that's fucked up.

<v Speaker 2>They need more space. So I was like, I feel

<v Speaker 2>like feeling like the you know. Yeah, I was like,

<v Speaker 2>now I feel like Vivian is like kind of a

<v Speaker 2>bad person because she should. Yeah. I was like, she

<v Speaker 2>should get her fish a bigger space anyway, So I

<v Speaker 2>was upset about that, but also because I love to

<v Speaker 2>talk about the L word, so I want to talk

<v Speaker 2>about how when will wait a Vivian? Oh no, it

<v Speaker 2>was Wilhelmina that had the fish anyway. When Vivian's dad

<v Speaker 2>told Wilhelmina that she should break up with her if

<v Speaker 2>she really loves her basically and like let her go

<v Speaker 2>to Paris.

<v Speaker 1>Yea, Oh my god, that reminded me what okay, go ahead.

<v Speaker 2>It reminded me of when Phyllis tells Shane she needs

<v Speaker 2>to break it off with Molly she actually loves her, yes,

<v Speaker 2>and then it's so fucking sad because then she does

<v Speaker 2>even though she loves Mollie. And then Mollie didn't know

<v Speaker 2>that was why for like, I don't know if she

<v Speaker 2>ever knew. I don't did not happen in JINQ. Did

<v Speaker 2>they finally have her like kind of understanding doors I.

<v Speaker 1>Think they did say, like they had like a talk

<v Speaker 1>and then Shane kind of said not so much, like well,

<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to, I had to, but it was

<v Speaker 1>sort of like, you know, they had that conversation and

<v Speaker 1>Molly was like, well, you know, I'm older now, like

<v Speaker 1>things have changed, so I understand, but like she believed

<v Speaker 1>that for all that time.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, and we're probably going to talk about this on

<v Speaker 2>one of our like subscribers only supporters club clips. But

<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of thoughts about a sex scene

<v Speaker 2>that happens between Shane and Mollie because it pass me

<v Speaker 2>the fuck off And I was literally seventeen and had

<v Speaker 2>never had sex with anyone. But it made me so

<v Speaker 2>mad because there's this part like Mollie has never been

<v Speaker 2>with a girl before, and then she like her and

<v Speaker 2>Shane are doing stuff and she's like, oh my god,

<v Speaker 2>you're wet. Was like, yeah, she's a fucking woman, Like yeah,

<v Speaker 2>maybe it's so mad. And then I think another part

<v Speaker 2>she like took off her top and she was like, oh,

<v Speaker 2>boobs and it's like, yeah, she is boobs. They're small,

<v Speaker 2>but they're they're like what. I was so mad. I

<v Speaker 2>was like, well, we know how Shane is, but I'm like,

<v Speaker 2>if I was Shane, I would have been like, goodbye,

<v Speaker 2>You're not ready for this. She was just like yeah,

<v Speaker 2>like okay, so I'll just go down on you. Obviously

<v Speaker 2>you don't know what life is.

<v Speaker 1>They could have done a better job. I think at

<v Speaker 1>showing like Molly being like oh wow, like you know,

<v Speaker 1>like this is another woman's body, like yes, I'm having

<v Speaker 1>sex with another woman for the first time, but not

<v Speaker 1>like oh my god, boob. Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>I just it came off like so weird and immature,

<v Speaker 2>like yeah, And I think that I have hooked up

<v Speaker 2>with women when I was young that had not been

<v Speaker 2>with other girls and they didn't say something stupid like that,

<v Speaker 2>And if they did, I probably would have gotten mad

<v Speaker 2>because I was also drunk and I was very volatile

<v Speaker 2>as a drunk person. Well, they said something that piss

<v Speaker 2>me up, I'd be like goodbye, get out here. AnyWho.

<v Speaker 2>So that is what I wanted to share about my

<v Speaker 2>thoughts on this movie. It reminded me of Okay, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna take a quick break yet, and when

<v Speaker 2>we get back, we'll get into the recap. So get

<v Speaker 2>ready for a deep dive into this film. Welcome back

<v Speaker 2>to but I'm a lesbian. This week we are discussing

<v Speaker 2>saving face.

<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, so I let me get my notes. I

<v Speaker 1>just read the script again, go for it. So, okay,

<v Speaker 1>this movie starts with Wilhelmina, but actually her name is

<v Speaker 1>doctor Wilhelmina will Paying but we know her as well.

<v Speaker 1>She is a very successful surgeon, which is it's extremely hard,

<v Speaker 1>especially back then, and as a woman.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's super young too. She is like I

<v Speaker 2>don't think she's even thirty.

<v Speaker 1>No, I think she's like twenty five, twenty six around there. No,

<v Speaker 1>a little bit will be a full doctor by that age.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

<v Speaker 1>I guess she's kind in her thirties then, I don't know.

<v Speaker 2>I had to go to like twenty nine. Okay, because

<v Speaker 2>here's the thing on this show I watched called The Pit.

<v Speaker 2>There's a doctor that's twenty one, but she's not a

<v Speaker 2>full blown doctor. She's like it, she's like a resident

<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know, like rad's anatomy, Like so stupid.

<v Speaker 2>If anyone that's a doctor is watching, I only know

<v Speaker 2>from shows, I'm like, yeah, you have to do a

<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff because no, you're doing your resident. You

<v Speaker 2>go to school and then you go to med school

<v Speaker 2>and then you your first year you're like an intern

<v Speaker 2>technically and junior a resident, but then you're be a

<v Speaker 2>resident in a few years and then So anyway, I

<v Speaker 2>think maybe technically she could be a surgeon in be

<v Speaker 2>like twenty eight or twenty nine, but that would mean

<v Speaker 2>she started like college young.

<v Speaker 1>You know, I could Okay, I don't know.

<v Speaker 2>She just seemed really young, but she say Asian don't reason,

<v Speaker 2>so maybe she just looks really young at that's why.

<v Speaker 1>So I'm like she's forty she knows she's actually fifty,

<v Speaker 1>and they're.

<v Speaker 2>Just like really yeah, because wait, her mom is forty eight. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>so I feel like she probably maybe she's like early

<v Speaker 2>thirties and her mom was a teen mom, but I'm

<v Speaker 2>thinking that she's not.

<v Speaker 1>Well, he couldn't have been a teen mom because you

<v Speaker 1>remember how they reacted when she got pregnant, even as

<v Speaker 1>an adults.

<v Speaker 2>But you men get married when she was eighteen and

<v Speaker 2>then have a baby right after we're so I don't

<v Speaker 2>know anyway, point being, I think she's probably like twenty

<v Speaker 2>eight to thirty.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's the age range.

<v Speaker 2>That crazy that she is this like well respected surgeon.

<v Speaker 2>I know, Okay, anyway.

<v Speaker 1>And she's a lesbian.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's not out. She's not out.

<v Speaker 1>She's closeted as most people are, especially in like very

<v Speaker 1>traditional families. Yeah, so I think, like, you know, it

<v Speaker 1>makes sense that she's not out, and yeah, it doesn't

<v Speaker 1>seem like she has anybody special in her life because

<v Speaker 1>they showed like her apartment and it's obviously bear there's

<v Speaker 1>nobody else there. Yeah, there's a fish that needs a

<v Speaker 1>bigger bowl. Yeah, okay, but she I guess that fish

<v Speaker 1>is pretty healthy little because it's big.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like imagine how big it would be if she

<v Speaker 2>gave it a proper god.

<v Speaker 1>That's true, Yeah, that is true. And so she doesn't

<v Speaker 1>have anybody in her life. That's what we assume. That's

<v Speaker 1>what I assume. But later that day, she's forced to

<v Speaker 1>go to a gathering. I say forced because like I mean,

<v Speaker 1>obviously she goes because it's her mom telling her to go.

<v Speaker 1>But her mom's just like, you're gonna, you're gonna come

<v Speaker 1>to this, like you know, you have to come to this.

<v Speaker 1>And it's a bunch of like relatives and like other

<v Speaker 1>friends that they have there, and it's like a gathering

<v Speaker 1>for everybody in like their community and so there it's like,

<v Speaker 1>it's funny seeing that because it's like very it's the

<v Speaker 1>same I think across all cultures where it's like you

<v Speaker 1>have people like judging other people. On the side, you

<v Speaker 1>have like kids, you have like men being men, and

<v Speaker 1>and then you have like everybody else like doing what

<v Speaker 1>that you want to do, and then like the people

<v Speaker 1>that don't want to be there but are forced to

<v Speaker 1>be there. So the moms are like talking to all

<v Speaker 1>the shit, especially about a woman named Vivian, which is

<v Speaker 1>obviously will's going to be. It's going to be her

<v Speaker 1>the love of her life, her mother who recently got divorced.

<v Speaker 1>And even though this is like early two thousands, they

<v Speaker 1>still look down on divorce. Yeah women, And I'm like,

<v Speaker 1>that is so shitty. So they're just like, oh my god,

<v Speaker 1>look at her, like she got a divorce. That's ugly,

<v Speaker 1>and I know, let me tell me do that.

<v Speaker 2>And so.

<v Speaker 1>Will meet Vivian, Vivian, Vivion.

<v Speaker 2>At least my parents made me.

<v Speaker 1>Have the bottle she meets Vivian there, it's the way

<v Speaker 1>I wrote it. So that's kind of made me laugh

<v Speaker 1>about like I was like, why they acted it right,

<v Speaker 1>it's the little like, uh, it's.

<v Speaker 2>All the thing that goes over the vivion like the

<v Speaker 2>dash things a little Yeah, what's it?

<v Speaker 1>World?

<v Speaker 2>Is it called the accent mark Yeah? Isn't it? I hope.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's the accent markers, Like what's it called?

<v Speaker 1>And You're like, but then I thought you were also

<v Speaker 1>talking about like like when there's the dots. Yeah, So

<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know what that's called. I

<v Speaker 1>don't know how i'd even know that that's Motley Crue guys.

<v Speaker 2>Moving on.

<v Speaker 1>So, Will and Vivian meet and there is immediate attraction

<v Speaker 1>from what I can see. Yeah, they're like contacts exactly.

<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say at this point, it's like a checklist.

<v Speaker 1>Is their eye contact? Yes? Is there like looking like

<v Speaker 1>the longing yes? And so, but her mom is trying

<v Speaker 1>to set her up with a man that she knows,

<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh my god, no, but she can't

<v Speaker 1>really tell her mom, no, I don't want to dance

<v Speaker 1>or go out with this man because I'm a lesbian. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>So she does it anyways, and she dances with the guy,

<v Speaker 1>and but she keeps hearing at Vivian because she's like, oh,

<v Speaker 1>my god, who is that attractive woman? And so I'm

<v Speaker 1>at the gathering. The mothers talk a lot of shit

<v Speaker 1>about each other, and so I know it is really

<v Speaker 1>sad taking shit.

<v Speaker 2>We should all just love each other.

<v Speaker 1>Like lifting each other.

<v Speaker 2>Yes.

<v Speaker 1>So the next day they run into each other at

<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Vivian is trying to they're at like the

<v Speaker 1>little Oh my god, I was like, what is it called.

<v Speaker 1>They're at the vending machine.

<v Speaker 2>It's a very old school looking.

<v Speaker 1>They're at the vending machine and they're like, oh my

<v Speaker 1>god god, and they're like flirting with each other. There's

<v Speaker 1>eye contact, there's like, you know, like there, you can

<v Speaker 1>tell they're into each other.

<v Speaker 2>Yea.

<v Speaker 1>But obviously Will is not going to ask her if

<v Speaker 1>she is, Like, she doesn't seem like the person to

<v Speaker 1>ask somebody on a date or anything. But you know,

<v Speaker 1>she's shy, she is. And so Will learns that Vivian's

<v Speaker 1>father is her boss, doctor Shingh, and she's like, oh shit,

<v Speaker 1>yeah wow. But Vivian and her father do not get

<v Speaker 1>along because her father does not approve of her being

<v Speaker 1>a ballerina.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to me, insane a different job, but being a

<v Speaker 2>ballerina is really fancy exactly. But I feel like I'm thinking, like,

<v Speaker 2>how long can you be a ballerina because it's really

<v Speaker 2>hard on your body. And so he's probably because he's

<v Speaker 2>a surgeon. He's like, you should be a doctor or

<v Speaker 2>something where like you can do this for like a

<v Speaker 2>long time.

<v Speaker 1>That makes sense.

<v Speaker 2>I think, I don't know, you could just make a

<v Speaker 2>lot of money when you're young and then say that

<v Speaker 2>and then you don't have to work anymore or like

<v Speaker 2>invest it and then hopefully you'll get more money back

<v Speaker 2>from me.

<v Speaker 1>That's what I was gonna say. Because she they look

<v Speaker 1>really young, so obviously we don't know how old Vivian is.

<v Speaker 1>She can be a very successful ballerina and then save

<v Speaker 1>her money and literally not have to like work, but

<v Speaker 1>just be like this very like famous ballerina.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, but her dad is like I don't like that.

<v Speaker 1>Dad's like be a surgeon like Will, and so uh

<v Speaker 1>after yeah, later that night, Will comes home to her

<v Speaker 1>mother crying, distraught because she's been kicked out from her

<v Speaker 1>grandparents' house. So Will's mom, Weilan lives with her parents,

<v Speaker 1>but they found out because obviously, like you know, she's pregnant,

<v Speaker 1>but she does not want to say who the father is.

<v Speaker 2>Also, it's crazy. So we find out that Will's died died, Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>like it seems like it was a while ago, so

<v Speaker 2>she's a widow. But she first of all, the mom

<v Speaker 2>does not look forty eight. They say she's forty eight.

<v Speaker 2>I thought when they first showed her at like the gathering,

<v Speaker 2>it was like they said something about like this is

<v Speaker 2>like all the Chinese people in this like area or whatever,

<v Speaker 2>so it's like it's like community within a community, like

<v Speaker 2>they're all going. But also then you get the drama

<v Speaker 2>of like the people talking about each other and different

<v Speaker 2>families and whatever. But anyway, when they first showed her there,

<v Speaker 2>I thought she was like one of Will's like friends,

<v Speaker 2>like she was one of the girls that was Will's age.

<v Speaker 1>She was so young.

<v Speaker 2>And I looked up the actress and she actually is

<v Speaker 2>like around the same age, like she was like forty

<v Speaker 2>six or something when filming this, So she just looks

<v Speaker 2>very young and beautiful still to this day. But yeah,

<v Speaker 2>so she's forty eight and she's pregnant, which is geriatric.

<v Speaker 2>So I'm worried for her. But the daughter does say

<v Speaker 2>it's okay, we just have to mont to her closely.

<v Speaker 2>Because she's literally a doctor, so.

<v Speaker 1>Literally she's like, uh, like, what the hell can you imagine?

<v Speaker 2>Like you're oh my god, so yeah, I can't imagine

<v Speaker 2>being pregnant at all, but alone in how many more years?

<v Speaker 2>Twelve more years when I'm forty eight? Forty eight and

<v Speaker 2>twelve years. Wow, that's crazy. Okay, let's move on.

<v Speaker 1>You're like, so where was I? Yeah, so later that

<v Speaker 1>and I will come to home. Her mom is pregnant.

<v Speaker 1>It is a geriatric geriatric pregnancy because she is older,

<v Speaker 1>and her parents basically have disowned her because they're like, uh,

<v Speaker 1>first of all, how could you do that? This is

<v Speaker 1>like out of wedlock.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're bringing shame.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're bringing shame to the family. And then you

<v Speaker 1>won't even say who the father is so that you

<v Speaker 1>can like get married to him. And she's just like, uh,

<v Speaker 1>so that's worse to them, that's crazy because she's a

<v Speaker 1>grown ass woman, like what the fuck.

<v Speaker 2>But it's also because she's an it's like, we own you,

<v Speaker 2>and yeah, you have to tell us who the dad

<v Speaker 2>is so that he can own you.

<v Speaker 1>M hm exactly, so he can take ownership of you,

<v Speaker 1>and then it'll be okay. Everybody's eyes yeah. So yeah.

<v Speaker 1>So Will does talk to her grandparents lull at some

<v Speaker 1>point and they're just like, yeah, your mom is like

<v Speaker 1>dead to us, but like obviously we still love you.

<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, okay, you haven't done anything weird

<v Speaker 2>like be gay. Yeah right, like we still love you

<v Speaker 2>so far.

<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, so far You're not wrong about it,

<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, we don't want to not say who

<v Speaker 1>the father is. So after Vivian invites Will to one

<v Speaker 1>of her dance shows, and it's really cute because Vivian

<v Speaker 1>has to be like the dom fem and be like,

<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like do you want to hang out?

<v Speaker 1>Because Will's not going to ask her out. Yeah, And

<v Speaker 1>so after her show they hang out and Vivian tells

<v Speaker 1>Will that they have met before when they were kids,

<v Speaker 1>and she tells her that she kissed her on her

<v Speaker 1>nose because Will stood up to bullies people that were

<v Speaker 1>bullying Vivian. Yeah, and I thought that was really cute

<v Speaker 1>that she remembered, but Will was just like oh wow,

<v Speaker 1>like you know.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's because Will had like a gay panic

<v Speaker 2>moment and like freaked out when it happened. And then

<v Speaker 2>I feel like also she like blocked it.

<v Speaker 1>Out of remembory here She's like, yeah, I didn't know,

<v Speaker 1>Like she's trying to be very.

<v Speaker 2>Like that seems like important, yeah, like something you'd remember whatever.

<v Speaker 1>But she's like no, because I mean, you know right,

<v Speaker 1>she was just like no, blocking it out. She's like.

<v Speaker 1>And so after they go to Vivian's apartment and they kiss,

<v Speaker 1>I know, so cute. And after this they do go

<v Speaker 1>out on dates and they're very cute. I do like

<v Speaker 1>them as a couple. I think they have chemistry. But

<v Speaker 1>Will is afraid to show like any kind of like

<v Speaker 1>public PDA. Yeah, she especially will not kiss Vivian in

<v Speaker 1>front of like anybody. Yeah, because I feel like, even

<v Speaker 1>though she knows that she is a lesbian, she's still

<v Speaker 1>closeted to the people in her life and therefore, like

<v Speaker 1>her behavior is so like the same way, even though

<v Speaker 1>I mean they're like in places that people won't see them. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>it's just the fact that there are like people, you know.

<v Speaker 2>It's also like like an internalized homophobia thing I feel like,

<v Speaker 2>and a fear. Well, I don't know, I've talked about this.

<v Speaker 2>I'm like, uh, I am not trying to get hate crimed.

<v Speaker 2>Like we're like afraid, like we're literally married, and like

<v Speaker 2>sometimes we don't kiss in places, and I think we

<v Speaker 2>should be able to kiss, not like make out. Nobody

<v Speaker 2>should be like swapping spin like a public place. That's weird.

<v Speaker 2>But at the movies last night, it was literally dark

<v Speaker 2>and I went to kiss my wife, and I feel

<v Speaker 2>like she's like she's like, oh okay, and I'm like, babe,

<v Speaker 2>but you know what, kiss yeah, But she's like thinking,

<v Speaker 2>like that's trump everything around. She's all trying to share

<v Speaker 2>lives down the street. She's like, I'm not trying. She's

<v Speaker 2>like Kaylan s yeah anyway, So I get where she

<v Speaker 2>is coming from, but I it stems from like multiple things.

<v Speaker 2>And they do live in New York, so it's like

<v Speaker 2>a big city too, so it's probably like more accepted,

<v Speaker 2>but you know they're they're bigoted people everywhere, so exactly.

<v Speaker 1>So she's still very much like not willing to do that,

<v Speaker 1>but Vivian's very much like, oh my god, like you know,

<v Speaker 1>I like you, like we can do this. So Vivian basically,

<v Speaker 1>after trying for a while, she kind of forces Will

<v Speaker 1>to introduce her to her mom Weylan as her friend,

<v Speaker 1>and it's super awkward. Because obviously they're not friends, like

<v Speaker 1>they're dating. But Vivian's like, fine, if you're not gonna

<v Speaker 1>like come out or you're not going to do this,

<v Speaker 1>then at least introduce me as your friend, you know.

<v Speaker 1>And so I feel like Weylan obviously like kinda knows,

<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't say anything in the moment because she's

<v Speaker 1>just like, well, she said that's her friend, and like, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna take it where I can get it,

<v Speaker 1>you know. And then after but then afterwards, it is

<v Speaker 1>shown that her mother, Weylan, does know about will sexuality,

<v Speaker 1>but she is like in denial.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like something I've heard a lot of people

<v Speaker 2>say that their families have done similar, Like at some

<v Speaker 2>point we find out that WiLAN walked in on Will

<v Speaker 2>and overall like years ago, but she just never talked

<v Speaker 2>about it, and they've never talked about it. So it's

<v Speaker 2>like they just like pretend it's not a thing. And

<v Speaker 2>she keeps trying to set her up with guys like yeah,

<v Speaker 2>you know, so it's like she knows, but she's also

<v Speaker 2>probably like it's just a phase. You know, She's going

<v Speaker 2>to marry a guy. I gotta like find the right

<v Speaker 2>one for her.

<v Speaker 1>Whatever I know, And I feel like that's so crazy

<v Speaker 1>that she can do that all while like experiencing that

<v Speaker 1>kind of like like experiencing where she's experiencing right now,

<v Speaker 1>because she's also being pregnant. Yeah, like being pregnant and

<v Speaker 1>your own parents throwing you out and you think that's crazy.

<v Speaker 1>But for her, she doesn't think that. She's just like,

<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I brought shame to my family, like

<v Speaker 1>because she in her mind it's you know, that's what

<v Speaker 1>she grew up with. It's traditional. Yeah, and so also

<v Speaker 1>that is very sad, like it being in denial, I know,

<v Speaker 1>her being in denial. And so meanwhile, will It does

<v Speaker 1>reverse matchmaking and decides to set up Wailan on dates

<v Speaker 1>so that she can find a father for her child. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>she's like, fine, if you're not going to say who

<v Speaker 1>the father is, then if you want everything to be fixed,

<v Speaker 1>at least go out with these men.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's the only way that your dad is going to.

<v Speaker 1>It will be approval in his eyes, because you need

<v Speaker 1>a man's approval. And then obviously I feel like her

<v Speaker 1>grandma doesn't really like she loves the mom and she

<v Speaker 1>wants the mom there, but she goes with what the

<v Speaker 1>husband is saying, because ultimately what he says go, which sucks.

<v Speaker 2>Because it's like, what so it makes me think of

<v Speaker 2>Carmen and Lola xah No, fuck that mom.

<v Speaker 1>I hate.

<v Speaker 2>It's like she's so she was so scared of him also,

<v Speaker 2>so it's like maybe she would have been more accepting

<v Speaker 2>if he was like dead or yeah, but anyway, okay, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>So she's trying to set her mom up on dates

<v Speaker 2>with men, right so that she can find a father

<v Speaker 2>for her child because she won't tell anyone, yeah, because.

<v Speaker 1>And they don't really work out. However, there is a

<v Speaker 1>man called Chow that literally has been in love with

<v Speaker 1>her for so long, and he like constantly since like

<v Speaker 1>the beginning when he found out like all this, he

<v Speaker 1>has been trying to say, like don't worry, like I

<v Speaker 1>can take care of you, like I will father this child,

<v Speaker 1>like I will treat this child like my own, like

<v Speaker 1>I don't even care. So he just loves Wylan, but

<v Speaker 1>it's obviously one sided because she doesn't love him, but

<v Speaker 1>the other like dates don't work out.

<v Speaker 2>However.

<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Vivian tells Will that she has been accepted to

<v Speaker 1>Paris and that's why I think I said, Vivian, Oh.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like getting ready for her.

<v Speaker 1>I was like, Vi, I was exactly, So Vivion is

<v Speaker 1>wanting obviously. She's like, I'm thinking about going to Paris,

<v Speaker 1>like I got accepted to be like a ballerina over there.

<v Speaker 3>And like a fancy yeah, or a fancy show, which

<v Speaker 3>that is very amazing for her, very good for her.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, And Will obviously is like, oh, like you know,

<v Speaker 3>you should take it. But Vivian's dad talks to.

<v Speaker 1>Will and tells her like, let her go, Like you said,

<v Speaker 1>if you love my daughter, you'll break up with her.

<v Speaker 1>You'll let her go to Paris, because this is like

<v Speaker 1>what she wants. Yeah, And so Will obviously does just that,

<v Speaker 1>and it's so sad.

<v Speaker 2>She also like breaks up with her in a weird way,

<v Speaker 2>like she like kind of was like not responding to

<v Speaker 2>her calls or something one night, and then they go

<v Speaker 2>to talk on a park bench and she's just like, well,

<v Speaker 2>I don't don't know if this is working like something

<v Speaker 2>like that not.

<v Speaker 1>I feel like the reason why she did that is

<v Speaker 1>because like she knows that she can't say more because

<v Speaker 1>maybe she won't want to break up with her, and

<v Speaker 1>like let her go. But also that's a shitty way

<v Speaker 1>to break up with someone. That's like the equivalent of

<v Speaker 1>like ghosting somebody.

<v Speaker 2>Now pretty much literally, I know it was. I'm so sorry.

<v Speaker 2>I just have a lot of yawns. We're filming this

<v Speaker 2>at night.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, and usually we are in this is a hard

<v Speaker 1>working team here, twelve years eight.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I'm tired. I don't know what I was

<v Speaker 2>gonna say, but yeah, I feel like she basically was

<v Speaker 2>kind of ghosting her. And then she's like, well, she

<v Speaker 2>I should do her the like give her the grace,

<v Speaker 2>the I should do her a solid. That's all I

<v Speaker 2>can think of, and like actually see her, but she's

<v Speaker 2>still like being an asshole because it's like she obviously

<v Speaker 2>doesn't really want to wreak up with her, but she's like,

<v Speaker 2>she's like, I want to do it, Yeah, I think

<v Speaker 2>so let me just be a dick.

<v Speaker 1>Let me be a dick and break your heart.

<v Speaker 2>You can go to it's pretty your own good.

<v Speaker 1>So obviously she doesn't tell Vivian that, like, your dad

<v Speaker 1>is telling me to do this, and I also like

<v Speaker 1>think you should do this. So they do break up

<v Speaker 1>in this weird, fucked up way and Vivian does go

<v Speaker 1>to Paris sadly.

<v Speaker 2>But then there's no scene in the airport.

<v Speaker 1>Yes, so this scene in the airport was the scene

<v Speaker 1>that I saw, Like, that's what made me watch the

<v Speaker 1>movie because I saw a clip of it and I

<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my gosh. So I feel like I

<v Speaker 1>can see both sides because I agree with you. First

<v Speaker 1>of all, the airport is very packed with a lot

<v Speaker 1>of people, so Vivian's gonna leave, and Will is there,

<v Speaker 1>and Vivian basically tells her like, kiss me in front

<v Speaker 1>of all these people, and Will is like she cannot

<v Speaker 1>do it because obviously she's had that problem with like

<v Speaker 1>kissing Vivian in public showing like any kind of PDA

<v Speaker 1>because she's like, oh my god, and it is sad. Yes, However,

<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is like very nerve racking for

<v Speaker 1>her and to be put on the spot and to

<v Speaker 1>be told to like do that, I don't think that's

<v Speaker 1>going to show that she loves you, like she clearly

<v Speaker 1>loves you.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, you know, maybe I misunderstood because what I

<v Speaker 2>thought happened when she said tell everyone and here like

<v Speaker 2>so I thought when she was saying tell everyone, she

<v Speaker 2>meant like yell I love you baby in which is like, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>that's awkward to yell, but either way, you she came

<v Speaker 2>to make this grand gesture and then she fucking woosed out,

<v Speaker 2>and it pissed me off.

<v Speaker 1>I felt like when she said, like, you know, do that,

<v Speaker 1>I thought she was like, okay, like show me what, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>you know, show me what you couldn't do before, which

<v Speaker 1>was like do PDA. But also the yelling would be

<v Speaker 1>pretty awkward too.

<v Speaker 2>Actually you gotta do like imagine me and you.

<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you're away, thank god? Number nine number nine. Yes,

<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I in the airport too. Do you

<v Speaker 1>want to draw attention and then get in trouble? Well,

<v Speaker 1>because what if they're like, oh my god, what's going.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was really mad about this because

<v Speaker 2>I'm like, she made it like she was going to

<v Speaker 2>do this grand gesture and then she didn't do anything,

<v Speaker 2>and so once again she was putting, putting everything on

<v Speaker 2>Vivian to be like, Okay, I'll go be with you

<v Speaker 2>and we can be secret again.

<v Speaker 1>Basically she's like, no, I don't want to be secret,

<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I could see both sides.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean.

<v Speaker 1>I agree, though, yeah, I agree that you know, Will

<v Speaker 1>was there. Like usually when you see movies and they're

<v Speaker 1>like running at the last minute to go see like

<v Speaker 1>the love of their life, they do something like big

<v Speaker 1>like you're anker number nine. Yeah, but then she I

<v Speaker 1>feel like that was showing still that she's just not

<v Speaker 1>ready yet, like she's not there yet. So then Vivian

<v Speaker 1>does leave, and then Will is like very sad, but

<v Speaker 1>she's also like, well, damn, I kind of fucked that.

<v Speaker 2>I am an idiot.

<v Speaker 1>And so meanwhile during all of this, Will's grandma has

<v Speaker 1>passed away.

<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's very sad.

<v Speaker 1>That is a scene that broke my heart because she

<v Speaker 1>did not get to talk to her daughter. Yeah, and

<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's so fucked up that the dad,

<v Speaker 1>like throughout that entire time, like even though Will was

<v Speaker 1>like trying to set up her mom and dates like

<v Speaker 1>they were trying to correct it, he still couldn't like

<v Speaker 1>look past like his traditions and say like this is

<v Speaker 1>my daughter, this is this and even like just speak

<v Speaker 1>to her. So they don't get to they don't get

<v Speaker 1>to speak to each other. So Weylan and her mom

<v Speaker 1>do not get to speak to each other, and she

<v Speaker 1>has passed away, and with that, Weilan decides to accept

<v Speaker 1>chowse a marriage proposal because she's like, oh my god,

<v Speaker 1>like I can't do this, and so she does accept

<v Speaker 1>and they are they are said to Mary and I

<v Speaker 1>think that is so fucked up because she doesn't love Choe.

<v Speaker 2>But that's true. But they're like, we gotta do this

<v Speaker 2>fast because she's starting to show.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's starting to show, and they're like, we have

<v Speaker 1>to do it really quick so that like everyone else

<v Speaker 1>doesn't find out. But it is revealed that there is

<v Speaker 1>a man called Little You and Older You. Yes, Older

<v Speaker 1>You is the father and little You is the son,

<v Speaker 1>and Little You is much younger than Wailan.

<v Speaker 2>He's like he's just like WA's age. Yeah, he's probably

<v Speaker 2>like twenty eight.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that is the father of the child exactly,

<v Speaker 1>and the one that she loves. Yeah yeah, and he

<v Speaker 1>like told her he sent her a note and basically

<v Speaker 1>was like I love you, I want to be with you,

<v Speaker 1>and she was like no, like you were honestly like that.

<v Speaker 1>I could see why that wouldn't be an option because

<v Speaker 1>you're much younger, and can you imagine like the backlash,

<v Speaker 1>But there's a there's a part where they get confused

<v Speaker 1>and they think it's older.

<v Speaker 2>I know, it was so funny.

<v Speaker 1>They think that it's older you the the dad, and

<v Speaker 1>they're like what the fuck. Yeah, but it's actually little

<v Speaker 1>you and they're like, oh my god. And so there's

<v Speaker 1>drama either way. They're like this one is too old. Yeah, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>just causing drama everywhere they go.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

<v Speaker 1>So eventually WiLAN is like, okay, you know what, yes,

<v Speaker 1>I will not like I do want to be with you,

<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to marry Cho. So she literally

<v Speaker 1>runs away in her wedding gown run away bride. No,

<v Speaker 1>literally she runs away in her wedding gown. And yeah.

<v Speaker 1>So that's why I disliked the two, because she was

<v Speaker 1>doing all these things that were so like not unheard

<v Speaker 1>of in her culture. But then she was like in

<v Speaker 1>denial about Will, and I'm like, you couldn't have made

<v Speaker 1>the exception.

<v Speaker 2>It's like how, I don't know, you know, how people are.

<v Speaker 2>Like something that has always bothered me about like a

<v Speaker 2>lot of religious people is that a lot of them

<v Speaker 2>either have had kids out of woodlock or have like

<v Speaker 2>kids that have kids out of wedlock. And that is

<v Speaker 2>like okay, like it's it's a sin, but it's not

<v Speaker 2>as bad of a sin as if they were gay.

<v Speaker 2>Like it's like this like picking and choosing thing, and

<v Speaker 2>it's like so annoying to me, Like that always bothered me,

<v Speaker 2>Like people going to the Catholic church with their baby

<v Speaker 2>that was born out of wedlock and getting it baptized.

<v Speaker 2>But then if they find out that their like cousin

<v Speaker 2>is gay, it's like, ah, she's gay, get out of here.

<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, you.

<v Speaker 1>Were fucking when you were married exactly, let's not you

<v Speaker 1>do allowed to do that either.

<v Speaker 2>Also, I don't believe in God, so that's a whole

<v Speaker 2>nother thing, like just saying if you do believe, it's

<v Speaker 2>weird to be picking and choosing what is okay?

<v Speaker 1>They love to do that because it fits them, yes.

<v Speaker 2>And also isn't it supposed to be only God can judge?

<v Speaker 2>So what are you doing?

<v Speaker 1>Everybody else judge? Right exactly?

<v Speaker 2>Little assholes anyway, So then she runs away and they

<v Speaker 2>get on the bus, right.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So she's on the bus and she's in her

<v Speaker 1>wedding gown and she's just like I like kind of

<v Speaker 1>did that, And good for her because she deserves to

<v Speaker 1>be happy as well yeah, and so after that, oh

<v Speaker 1>my god, that's so weird my thing. When so after that,

<v Speaker 1>it's been like a few months later and Will goes

<v Speaker 1>to another one of those like gatherings with the community

<v Speaker 1>and she sees Vivian. Vivian is back, and this time

<v Speaker 1>Will said, you know what, I'm going to do what

<v Speaker 1>I should have done, and she walks up to her

<v Speaker 1>and they dance and they kiss in front of everybody. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>and some people are like, oh my god, like thumbs up,

<v Speaker 1>like they're happy, and then other people are like ill,

<v Speaker 1>like they're disgusted. But I mean, who gives a fuck

<v Speaker 1>about those people?

<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And also it was like four people left and

<v Speaker 2>one of them didn't even want to leave. It's because

<v Speaker 2>his wife was making him leave. Yeah, and all the

<v Speaker 2>other people are like either indifferent or happy for them.

<v Speaker 2>And it's so sad because she had this thing in

<v Speaker 2>her mind like everyone it's gonna be this huge deal.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone was gonna be like, oh my god, like no,

<v Speaker 1>like boo tomato the case and were the people leaving

<v Speaker 1>made me think of a new or Christmas wedding about

<v Speaker 1>those two people that got up, like oh, they were

<v Speaker 1>just like no, also.

<v Speaker 2>Did I tell you I think I I don't know

<v Speaker 2>if I talked about it on this but when I

<v Speaker 2>saw Broke Back Mountain in theaters because I am older

<v Speaker 2>and it came out in two thousand and five, there

<v Speaker 2>were old people that like got up when gay stuff

<v Speaker 2>started happening and left, and it's like, what were they

<v Speaker 2>They advertised that's a gay cowboy movie, like and these

<v Speaker 2>people they're.

<v Speaker 1>Like, it won't be that bad.

<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, I didn't read the gay part. I

<v Speaker 2>just read cowboy movies and they got up and.

<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't read the gay party.

<v Speaker 2>I didn't. And then also another thing I remember with

<v Speaker 2>Broke Back Mountain that pissed me off was like my

<v Speaker 2>when I saw it and I asked my mom if

<v Speaker 2>she had seen it, She's like, well, yeah, I want

<v Speaker 2>to see it. But my friend from work saw it

<v Speaker 2>and she said that it was really graphic and I

<v Speaker 2>was like, what do you mean and she's like she

<v Speaker 2>said that you see like penis going into cheeks and

<v Speaker 2>I was like, that would be porn. You don't see that.

<v Speaker 2>You see him like spit on his hand. I think,

<v Speaker 2>so you get the idea of what's going to happen. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>And you, you know, at some point he flips his

<v Speaker 2>wife around because he's only used to like doing things

<v Speaker 2>like with men. But I was like, that makes me

<v Speaker 2>mad because that type of like the rumors people start

<v Speaker 2>about things make other people will not want to see

<v Speaker 2>it or like tell other people those things, and it

<v Speaker 2>makes me.

<v Speaker 1>So don't watch that, even though, like, you know, they're

<v Speaker 1>not necessarily like, I mean, that is kind of homophobic

<v Speaker 1>to me. But even though they're not homophobic, they're like, oh,

<v Speaker 1>but like, it's probably not something you want to watch

<v Speaker 1>because it's very explicit, and if you don't like explicit things,

<v Speaker 1>they don't watch. But that's not true because you wouldn't

<v Speaker 1>turn away from like a regular like straight sex scene.

<v Speaker 2>Also, I maybe I don't know. I don't feel that

<v Speaker 2>I watch. I mean, there probably are a lot of

<v Speaker 2>gay man movies, but I don't watch them that much.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But I fucking love Broke Back Mountain.

<v Speaker 2>It's so good. It makes me cry every time when

<v Speaker 2>he's like sniffing his shirt, you know, because it's like, okay,

<v Speaker 2>all you have to see it. It's really good and

<v Speaker 2>I love that Heath Ledger did not take any fucking

<v Speaker 2>jokes that people tried to make about it. He was like,

<v Speaker 2>that's homophobic. Like what people are trying to make jokes

<v Speaker 2>about this is a beautiful love story and I love

<v Speaker 2>that movie, and.

<v Speaker 1>That's what you're gonna say. I love Heath Ledger too.

<v Speaker 2>Oh. I do love Heath Ledger, but not as much

<v Speaker 2>as my wife loves Heath Ledger. She loves him because

<v Speaker 2>her like one of her favorite movies that she'll rewatch

<v Speaker 2>over and over is Ten Things I Hate About You.

<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's such a good movie.

<v Speaker 2>She's like, I love him. She also loves Julia Styles.

<v Speaker 2>She's like, I love herself. She's so beautiful. And I think,

<v Speaker 2>you know how I would talk about how I would

<v Speaker 2>be a hater about any woman that my wife would

<v Speaker 2>think you hated Juliu untill I grew up. I was like,

<v Speaker 2>she has a moonface, you know what. And so now

<v Speaker 2>she's always like I love her beautiful moonface.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's actually not.

<v Speaker 2>That, mooney, it's just around. You're like, I'm just trying

<v Speaker 2>to pick on her because I didn't want you to

<v Speaker 2>think anyone else is beautiful. I've grown up. That was

<v Speaker 2>when I was like twenty three, okay, exactly anyway. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>so they finally they finally were like out with their relationship.

<v Speaker 1>Yes, they were out with their relationship, and that's what

<v Speaker 1>Vivian wanted. But obviously, you know, Will couldn't do that

<v Speaker 1>at the time. But Will was like, you know what,

<v Speaker 1>I'm not losing my chance the timer around, so she

<v Speaker 1>had the courage to go and kiss her in front

<v Speaker 1>of everybody, and like you said, everyone was supportive, except

<v Speaker 1>for those people that left.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone was like oh my god, or like you said,

<v Speaker 1>some were indifferent because they were just like, oh whatever,

<v Speaker 1>you know, it wasn't a big deal. But to Will,

<v Speaker 1>it felt like a big deal. So I thought that

<v Speaker 1>was very nice. And then in the credits, so that's

<v Speaker 1>like the end. But in the credits, Will and Vivian

<v Speaker 1>are engaged, yes, and I love that, and Waylan, oh, sorry, no,

<v Speaker 1>you're Wayla. I was like Waylan and little you Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>have them over and they ask about kids, yeah, and

<v Speaker 1>Will literally like spits her drink out, and it's like, huh,

<v Speaker 1>which is that's your reaction when I'm like, imagine being

<v Speaker 1>that age and pregnant and you're like I can't imagine

<v Speaker 1>being pregnant. I'm like No, I should have gave you

<v Speaker 1>like a drink and we could have done like a

<v Speaker 1>spit take where you've.

<v Speaker 2>Been like pregnant pregnant. No, I've had a lot of

<v Speaker 2>dreams where I'm pregnant, and I do feel sad when

<v Speaker 2>I wake up and I don't have this baby, but

<v Speaker 2>then I remember that. I just I don't know. I

<v Speaker 2>don't think I'm not maternal like with babies. I'm maternal

<v Speaker 2>with puppies and kiddies and with like kids that are

<v Speaker 2>older like that, it's fine. I would like to maybe

<v Speaker 2>like adopt like an older kid, but like babies, I'm like,

<v Speaker 2>oh my god, You're like, God, I love my sleep

<v Speaker 2>and I'm not trying to have somebody waking me up

<v Speaker 2>all the time, you see.

<v Speaker 1>I agree. I've had those dreams where like I'm pregnant

<v Speaker 1>and then I like lose the baby and it's like

<v Speaker 1>so dramatic and like tragic, like you know those dreams

<v Speaker 1>where you like really feel it. And then I wake

<v Speaker 1>up and for a split second, I'm like, Wow, that

<v Speaker 1>was really sad, and then I'm like thank fucking God, really,

<v Speaker 1>I know.

<v Speaker 2>I was like, geez, no, it's crazy.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, anybody, it's okay if you're pregnant.

<v Speaker 2>I just don't know.

<v Speaker 1>It's not okay if you're pregnant right now.

<v Speaker 2>Well, it's okay for them, I mean that's true. But

<v Speaker 2>but I well, this is another episode. But I consider

<v Speaker 2>myself a bit of an anti natalist, which I just

<v Speaker 2>saw an episode of SBU and they were making us

<v Speaker 2>out to be crazy. But I don't think it's crazy

<v Speaker 2>to think that we shouldn't be purposely bringing babies into

<v Speaker 2>the world when it is in this state.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, haven back me up. I said you shouldn't

<v Speaker 1>be pregnant.

<v Speaker 2>I know what. I don't want to alienate. What if

<v Speaker 2>what if our number one listener is pregnant?

<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sorry, then, girl, or whoever you are, I'm sorry.

<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry person. Yeah, but but no, I do think

<v Speaker 2>I have heard a lot of people say a lot

<v Speaker 2>of people with kids or that want to have kids

<v Speaker 2>say that it's selfish to not have kids. And I

<v Speaker 2>think that is wild because I think the opposite, because

<v Speaker 2>when I've asked people why they want to have kids

<v Speaker 2>or why they have kids, all those answers are pretty

<v Speaker 2>selfish to me. They're like, I want to mini.

<v Speaker 1>Me, Yeah, pass on my.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want someone to take care of me

<v Speaker 2>when I'm old. And the reasons that I don't want

<v Speaker 2>to have a kid are because I know that my

<v Speaker 2>reasons for wanting to have a kid are selfish. I

<v Speaker 2>want to know what my kid would look like. I

<v Speaker 2>better be fucking cute, and I want to know. But

<v Speaker 2>that's like selfish. And the world is in such a

<v Speaker 2>state of disarray, and like with the climate change, I

<v Speaker 2>really feel like the world could end very soon and

<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to bring a kid into it just

<v Speaker 2>to have them live like in like what's it called,

<v Speaker 2>like fallout, like that end of the world post a

<v Speaker 2>popah God, I said apopo optic for reason, you guys,

<v Speaker 2>I know it's apocalyptic. No, it's okay on whatever. On

<v Speaker 2>one season of Drag Race, there was a clean I

<v Speaker 2>think it was Lalla Ree, I can't remember, but she

<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm doing this post apopoly optic look, and

<v Speaker 2>so I always say it like that, and I forgot

<v Speaker 2>to say it real life apocalyptic. I don't want that,

<v Speaker 2>or they'll just die in the apocalypse anyway. Point being, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>think about it before getting pregnant. Just think about it, Okay.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I say so too. Yeah, I don't want to.

<v Speaker 2>Ride into dear dikes and ask about should they get pregnant?

<v Speaker 2>I mean don't as yeah anyho, Okay, So munch, merge murder.

<v Speaker 2>We have Vivian, Wilhelmina slash Will or WiLAN mama.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think I'm going to munch Vivian. Yeah, I'm

<v Speaker 1>going to merge with Will kill Ylan yeah yea or

<v Speaker 1>murder My bad, I went off the I mean it's

<v Speaker 1>the same thing different, yeah, the same, same but different.

<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I am going to do sort

<v Speaker 2>of the same because I even though WiLAN is very beautiful,

<v Speaker 2>she's like.

<v Speaker 1>She's amazing to it, and I don't want to raise

<v Speaker 1>a kid. No, yeah, true, I mean and she also,

<v Speaker 1>you know, has somebody. I mean I don't.

<v Speaker 2>Know they have each other, but we can get okay,

<v Speaker 2>so a four poople, I don't know, a polycule hyah. Anyway,

<v Speaker 2>So I would merge with Vivian because even though she's

<v Speaker 2>more fem I like this, she is out about herself,

<v Speaker 2>and I would I don't like Will's aloofness and like

<v Speaker 2>having to be in charge of everything with her, even

<v Speaker 2>though she's literally a surgent. But it feels like in

<v Speaker 2>her moment relationships, she's very like, not not in charge.

<v Speaker 2>She's one of those people. So I would merge with Vivian.

<v Speaker 2>I would munch Will, I would murder mama. Okay, and

<v Speaker 2>we're gonna write this on a scale of one to five,

<v Speaker 2>and I'm interested to hear what you are reading it.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's not a bad movie, just not my favorite,

<v Speaker 1>so i'd say like a four.

<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Okay, I had a four too. I

<v Speaker 2>thought you were going to say.

<v Speaker 1>Like a three.

<v Speaker 2>No.

<v Speaker 1>I do think it's a good movie. I think it's

<v Speaker 1>good representation of like queer people, especially in the Chinese community.

<v Speaker 1>But it's just not my favorite, so I can't give

<v Speaker 1>it a five.

<v Speaker 2>That's how I felt too. I gave it a four.

<v Speaker 2>I said it loses a point for the dumb thing

<v Speaker 2>at the airport where Will was too scared to declare

<v Speaker 2>her love. But I think it's a really big deal

<v Speaker 2>to have movies that are about lesbians and they're not

<v Speaker 2>too white rich lesbians, because that is like what we

<v Speaker 2>see so often still twenty years later. It's like when

<v Speaker 2>we get a lesbian Christmas movie, like it's too white.

<v Speaker 1>I mean about the two country Ones.

<v Speaker 2>No, but I was thinking about what's it called, you know,

<v Speaker 2>the one happiest season, like that was like a big deal,

<v Speaker 2>but like I kind of wish.

<v Speaker 1>That they did a different Yeah, but.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think she was fine in San Janaparo. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>but I know I honestly didn't like Yeah, I don't really,

<v Speaker 2>I don't remember whatever. Anyway, I think people just like

<v Speaker 2>her because she's tall, Like she gets cast as lesbian

<v Speaker 2>a lot, and I'm like, did they think all lesbians

<v Speaker 2>are tall?

<v Speaker 1>Like that is not true?

<v Speaker 2>That speaking from too lesbians that are not that tall exactly. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. We are going to do a literary lesbian segment.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, I have a lot of things to talk

<v Speaker 2>about this time because I've just been reading a lot

<v Speaker 2>of cool books. Okay, so the first one, I don't

<v Speaker 2>have the physical book, but I have it on my iPad.

<v Speaker 2>It's called Lavender Speculation and it is by Jamie Zakaria.

<v Speaker 2>I hope I'm pronouncing that right. She is our mutual

<v Speaker 2>on TikTok, and I'll put her info in the description,

<v Speaker 2>but it's Jamie Rose Gold is her TikTok. And I

<v Speaker 2>read the whole book. It's a book of short stories

<v Speaker 2>and they're all I don't know that they're all specifically

<v Speaker 2>gay but most of them are like the character has

<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend or the character is gay. But I like, Okay,

<v Speaker 2>I love a short story book because it's like, I

<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's like fun, like I can like read

<v Speaker 2>a whole like story and I'm not stuck in like

<v Speaker 2>a three hundred page book or Yeah, there were some

<v Speaker 2>really interesting ones that stuck with me. Actually, the first one,

<v Speaker 2>the very first one in the book, I really liked.

<v Speaker 2>It was like kind of reminded me of Fierce Street

<v Speaker 2>sixteen sixty six because it was like an old old

<v Speaker 2>days like I don't know if they said it was

<v Speaker 2>the sixteen hundredth, but that was what I imagined it as.

<v Speaker 2>And it was like a girl that was in love

<v Speaker 2>with another girl and she went to a witch to

<v Speaker 2>try to get the witch to make the girl. It

<v Speaker 2>was really good. Okay, there's really good stories in there.

<v Speaker 2>I really liked it. I gave it five stars on Fable,

<v Speaker 2>which no one else seems to use Fable, but I

<v Speaker 2>use Fable. If anyone else is on fab you're gonna

<v Speaker 2>make it. Yeah. I record like all the books that

<v Speaker 2>I read on there, and I read them and I think,

<v Speaker 2>my I think my thing on there is like Caitlin Michelle.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is, but whatever you can

<v Speaker 2>find me. If you actually use fable, message me. Just

<v Speaker 2>message the pod and I will tell you what my

<v Speaker 2>things anyway. And then the next book that I want

<v Speaker 2>to talk about is another one of our mutuals. So

<v Speaker 2>it is the Little Book of Quickies. And this is

<v Speaker 2>UH part one. There's three books, okay, and they're very sexual,

<v Speaker 2>and it is by Roe Smith, who is at Roby

<v Speaker 2>and Roe on TikTok. She does like the lesbian dilemma

<v Speaker 2>questions like if this happened, like what would you do?

<v Speaker 2>But I really like her. She's really cool and nice,

<v Speaker 2>and I do. I am interested to read it. I

<v Speaker 2>haven't started it yet, you guys, but I did go

<v Speaker 2>buy it. You can buy it on Amazon. And it's

<v Speaker 2>also short stories, but it's sexy ones. It's spicy short stories.

<v Speaker 2>I also think it's funny because I don't know. I

<v Speaker 2>was listening to another podcast and they were talking about

<v Speaker 2>how some times lesbian sex can be fast, and that

<v Speaker 2>it's a myth that it's not, and I love that

<v Speaker 2>for the people that it's happened for, because whenever I

<v Speaker 2>have lesbian sex, it's hours and hours. So it's like

<v Speaker 2>a commitment. It's like, oh, do we want to do

<v Speaker 2>it tonight because we're gonna be up. You're like blocking

<v Speaker 2>off and you're like, oh my god, it's gonna be fun,

<v Speaker 2>but it's gonna be like never ending.

<v Speaker 1>And so when I.

<v Speaker 2>Thought it was called cookies, I'm like, I get it

<v Speaker 2>because the stories are short. But also I'm like, oh

<v Speaker 2>my god, a lesbian cookie has never happened to me.

<v Speaker 2>It turns into at least an hour of something anyway,

<v Speaker 2>So I want to talk about that. And also, Okay,

<v Speaker 2>it was recently my birthday and my mom sent me

<v Speaker 2>this tarot card set and it has a little booklet

<v Speaker 2>in here. That's why I think it goes under literary lesbians,

<v Speaker 2>because there's booklet that tells you how to read the cards. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>and it is from I don't know. I'm thinking we

<v Speaker 2>pronounced it womon.

<v Speaker 1>I was thinking we moon, but I'm already thought about it.

<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think it's moon because Okay, So

<v Speaker 2>the cards are each painted by a different woman that

<v Speaker 2>is a part of this collective, and this collective is

<v Speaker 2>women that live on Women's Land in Oregon. So I

<v Speaker 2>kind of mentioned this in another episode that my mom

<v Speaker 2>lives near Women's Land, which it's called Owl The part

<v Speaker 2>that she goes to is Owl Farm. It's Oregon Women's Land,

<v Speaker 2>and it is this like plot, this like large plot

<v Speaker 2>of land, this acreage, and women bought it lesbians basically,

<v Speaker 2>I think they were all lesbians in nineteen seventy six.

<v Speaker 2>So they're about to have like their fiftieth anniversary. They're

<v Speaker 2>going to have this big like overnight like camping party.

<v Speaker 2>I asked my wife a week aldgo and she's like,

<v Speaker 2>why would you want to go to that? You hate camping,

<v Speaker 2>and so do I. And I was like, you're right,

<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to go.

<v Speaker 1>I just want to go.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, But anyway, I thought it was really cool that

<v Speaker 2>this is from women that have just been about that

<v Speaker 2>life for all this time and paving the way. And

<v Speaker 2>I've wish that I could live on a land with

<v Speaker 2>women only, But my wife wants to live on a

<v Speaker 2>land with just us and animals, so that would be women.

<v Speaker 2>But the other women there, She's like, no, because people

<v Speaker 2>annoy me. I'm like, that's so quary, Like that's valid.

<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I want to go live on women's land.

<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I just wanted to share those because I

<v Speaker 2>thought it was so cool and I thought it was

<v Speaker 2>really cool timing that my mom sent me this and yeah,

<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to

<v Speaker 2>talk about books, so I could talk about the little

<v Speaker 2>booklet in my book. So we're also going to do

<v Speaker 2>queer trivia?

<v Speaker 1>Okay, So do you want to go first?

<v Speaker 2>For me? You go first?

<v Speaker 1>Okay? This one? Okay? Which TV show did the Vice

<v Speaker 1>President Joe Biden say he thought had done more to

<v Speaker 1>educate the American public about gay people than almost anything else?

<v Speaker 1>Is it a queer as folk b ellen see Will

<v Speaker 1>and Grace or d the L word?

<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Well, I really don't know. I want

<v Speaker 2>to say, well, I want to say that because it's

<v Speaker 2>my favorite show, and I know that recently they went

<v Speaker 2>to the they went to the White House, like Kate

<v Speaker 2>and Lesia and Jennifer Bial's and Aileen Chicken went to

<v Speaker 2>the White House for something. They were honored for something.

<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it was old enough that it

<v Speaker 2>would be like mentioned here, like because they would have

<v Speaker 2>to print the things and all that.

<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say Will and Grace.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, you are correct Will and Grace.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, because I'm like, it's old and it's not

<v Speaker 2>explicitly gay, like, yeah, I don't think the president or

<v Speaker 2>former president would talk about queer's folk or the L

<v Speaker 2>word because they both have like graphic sex scenes. So okay, nice,

<v Speaker 2>you got it?

<v Speaker 1>Cool?

<v Speaker 2>Okay, you always get things from office history or Okay?

<v Speaker 2>Which gender bending? Virginia wolf novel was inspired by her

<v Speaker 2>long term lover, Vita Sackwell west A to the Lighthouse B,

<v Speaker 2>Missus Dollaway Z Orlando d A Room of One's Own.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think it's Missus Halloway.

<v Speaker 2>It's Missus Dollaway.

<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, this is down fire.

<v Speaker 2>You actually that is gender bending. That is definitely Missus

<v Speaker 2>that Fire. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna tell you it's not

<v Speaker 2>Missus out guys, It's okay, what is it? Orlando?

<v Speaker 1>Okay?

<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I never read that, but I know

<v Speaker 2>I'm a bad person. I don't know. I love reading,

<v Speaker 2>but I've never read this. I know I don't know

<v Speaker 2>that much about Virginia Wolf. I remember that Kimmon played

<v Speaker 2>her in the Hours. I think that's who she played,

<v Speaker 2>and she wore a fake nose. Virginia Wolf is she

<v Speaker 2>killed herself and she was at least bisexual. But I

<v Speaker 2>feel like she maybe was married to the guy though,

<v Speaker 2>because she had to. You guys, educate me. What what

<v Speaker 2>Virginia Wolf novel should I read? Should I read Orlando?

<v Speaker 2>Or should I read Missus Delfire?

<v Speaker 1>Read Missus Delfire?

<v Speaker 2>I just don't know. Anyway, I probably should read something

<v Speaker 2>from her, but I will too, Actually I have to.

<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be another episode. We'll talk on literary lesbians

<v Speaker 2>about it. Okay, So, thank you so much for tuning

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<v Speaker 1>And tune in next week for a return visit from

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful fan favorite film Portrait of a Lady on Fire,

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<v Speaker 2>Butt I'm a Lesbian are Caitlin Batty and Angelina Herrera.

<v Speaker 2>Produced and mixed by Victoria Shiplett. Creative direction and video

<v Speaker 2>editing provided by Juanita Here Your Day. Music by Stiletto Falsetto.