<v Speaker 1>Welcome to But I'm a Lesbian, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>and Angelina. Get ready for some sapphag seratonin. Okay, this

<v Speaker 2>week it's gonna be really sad. I was like, I'm excited,

<v Speaker 2>but I'm also sad. But it's a really good movie.

<v Speaker 2>It just happens to also be a tragic movie. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>another one of those we.

<v Speaker 1>Have like a trend right now, very sad.

<v Speaker 2>I know, maybe we need to go like happy movie,

<v Speaker 2>sad movie, happy movie, sad movie.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well we do when you balance it out. Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>So this week we are going to recap Gia, which

<v Speaker 2>is a nineteen ninety eight HBO film based on the

<v Speaker 2>life of supermodel Gia. Kuranji or Karanji. I feel like

<v Speaker 2>it's Karanji now that I said Karanji.

<v Speaker 1>I've heard it both ways, but we'll go to Krangi.

<v Speaker 3>You know, people say it Karanji.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>Every time I try to say something in Spanish, I

<v Speaker 2>sound Italian, so that's.

<v Speaker 3>There's some similarities there every time. Anyway, this is an

<v Speaker 3>Italian last name.

<v Speaker 2>So Gia is played by a young Angelina Joe Lee,

<v Speaker 2>who does share quite a resemblance. This movie deals with

<v Speaker 2>a lot of very serious issues, such as addiction in HIV.

<v Speaker 3>Slash aids to.

<v Speaker 2>Lighten the mood a little bit before we get into it,

<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask, do you have a favorite model?

<v Speaker 2>It could be for mini era, Like is there like

<v Speaker 2>a you know, supermodel era or is it like Cardi Levine.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't.

<v Speaker 3>Mean to I don't like it, just her. I just

<v Speaker 3>don't love cards de Levine.

<v Speaker 1>Oh why is it? Because she's like.

<v Speaker 2>I just feel like anyone that might be by has

<v Speaker 2>like fucked with her, and I feel like sometimes it's

<v Speaker 2>like fake, like it's like, oh, we want attention for you,

<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna have you be seen with car Delavine.

<v Speaker 2>So people are like, maybe she's gay. I don't know,

<v Speaker 2>which I guess is not Kara's fault, but you just

<v Speaker 2>hate her. Also, I shouldn't not like someone because I

<v Speaker 2>I don't find.

<v Speaker 3>Her like that pretty.

<v Speaker 2>And so she's like if I was gonna like pick

<v Speaker 2>a favorite supermodel. I'm going to pick one that I

<v Speaker 2>think is like really really beautiful, and she's not my favorite,

<v Speaker 2>so sorry that.

<v Speaker 3>I hate her so much.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, actually, she's like my everything number one. I

<v Speaker 1>know she's not, but okay, okay, aside from Gia because

<v Speaker 1>I know we both like Jia, there is this model

<v Speaker 1>that I remember seeing in high school. She's an androgynous model,

<v Speaker 1>but her pronouns are she her It's oh Myra. I

<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've heard of her. Yeah, she's done

<v Speaker 1>a lot. She was like, I don't know, Okay, I'll

<v Speaker 1>just have to send you it. But she went viral.

<v Speaker 1>Oh well, back then, she like blew up because she

<v Speaker 1>was like taking on more like masculine like attire.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>And you know, like some modeling for yeah, you're looking

<v Speaker 2>very shane today. Yeah.

<v Speaker 1>And there's this one specific one where she's wearing like

<v Speaker 1>this suit and her hair's like slick back, and then

<v Speaker 1>she's like with another model, but like the people were

<v Speaker 1>telling her to move because they were like trying to

<v Speaker 1>get the model that was like all dressed up, and

<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, she's part of the show, Like what

<v Speaker 1>is wrong with you? And she's just like giving her

<v Speaker 1>the jacket. She looks so hot.

<v Speaker 3>You should have put that as your screen on your phone.

<v Speaker 2>You know.

<v Speaker 1>I did have her as actually yeah, if I prefer

<v Speaker 1>another one was collected. I was like, yes, I'm obsessed.

<v Speaker 1>And then when I'm like, oh my god, she's like

<v Speaker 1>this really famous model, Like you guys didn't know that?

<v Speaker 3>The only reason? How did you not?

<v Speaker 1>Now I'm really into fashion in high school. As I

<v Speaker 1>was wearing sweats, I'm like, you know, I'm just like inspiration. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>what about your name brand? No?

<v Speaker 2>I think, Okay, I guess I don't necessarily have one

<v Speaker 2>that I can think of. But I love Tyra and

<v Speaker 2>she's like so ridiculous. And I know she's done a

<v Speaker 2>lot of not great things, like things on America's Next

<v Speaker 2>Up Model where she made people like basically do black

<v Speaker 2>face and.

<v Speaker 1>Stuff she like she chokes their hair up.

<v Speaker 2>Well that too, but remember when she had the shoot

<v Speaker 2>where everyone had to be a different race, so she

<v Speaker 2>made the like really white girl, like put on your

<v Speaker 2>dark dark makeup and have like her hair a different text.

<v Speaker 1>And she's like you don't need She's like, you shouldn't

<v Speaker 1>be afraid to do this. Suld be afraid to do this.

<v Speaker 2>Luckily, I feel like that girl didn't get backlash because

<v Speaker 2>it was like she was like forced to do it.

<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like her choice.

<v Speaker 1>She wasn't like I want to do this.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I do think that, like, even though Tyra

<v Speaker 2>is problematic, I think she's really beautiful.

<v Speaker 3>I think beautiful. Yeah, Like she has a lot of uh.

<v Speaker 2>Internalized issues with like her body, but how could you

<v Speaker 2>not having been a supermodel during like, you know, the

<v Speaker 2>nineties when it was all about being as like skinny

<v Speaker 2>and whatever as possible.

<v Speaker 1>In her beef with Naomi Campbell.

<v Speaker 2>Oh, I also like Naomi Campbell. I like that Naomi

<v Speaker 2>Campbell is like kind of wild. I mean, I don't know,

<v Speaker 2>she shouldn't be throwing phones at people. That's what I

<v Speaker 2>always think about, is the whole story where she threw

<v Speaker 2>a phone at an assistant. So I don't know what

<v Speaker 2>the story behind it is. She was probably in the right,

<v Speaker 2>maybe I don't know.

<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I don't know,

<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I like Naomi Campbell.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, I take that back, because I also heard that

<v Speaker 2>she might have been on those like Epstein flight logs,

<v Speaker 2>so maybe I don't know point being my real favorite

<v Speaker 2>model is Cindy Crawford.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so beautiful.

<v Speaker 2>And we've talked about Kaya Gerber and how I think

<v Speaker 2>she's so beautiful because she looks exactly like her mom.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's just so pretty like she is.

<v Speaker 2>And I remember when I was a kid my mom

<v Speaker 2>because my mom was at the time. I think she's

<v Speaker 2>a lot better now, but she was one of those women,

<v Speaker 2>like a lot of women, where I just feel she

<v Speaker 2>would be like a hater on other women because maybe

<v Speaker 2>she was just jealous, you know, like she'd be like, oh,

<v Speaker 2>Cindy Crawford with that Bill mole on her on her lips,

<v Speaker 2>she needs to get a nod off or whatever.

<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, okay, but like.

<v Speaker 2>Super hot and like a supermodel, And probably guys you

<v Speaker 2>dated have been like, she's so hot, right, Because that's

<v Speaker 2>why I for a long time didn't like Scarlett Johansson

<v Speaker 2>because everyone thought that she was the hottest and I

<v Speaker 2>didn't like that when I would talk to someone and

<v Speaker 2>they would be like, oh, Scarlett Johansson.

<v Speaker 3>Because my wife thought Scarlet Johnson was really hot, and

<v Speaker 3>I was like, ugly, I just was like mad.

<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So I can understand my mom's haterism in that time,

<v Speaker 2>but she was wrong.

<v Speaker 3>Cindy Crawford is beautiful. Yes, she looks great.

<v Speaker 1>It does.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's still so beautiful.

<v Speaker 1>She is, she really is.

<v Speaker 2>She sells this like meaningful beauty. I know.

<v Speaker 1>She's just like, you know, like trying to and I'm like,

<v Speaker 1>I want to look like Sydney Craft.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to buy this pretty And you know

<v Speaker 2>who is? I can't remember what this girl's name is.

<v Speaker 2>I should look it up in the New It's something

<v Speaker 2>that ends with an E, like something et Gabriel. Yes, okay,

<v Speaker 2>she was in the new I know what you did

<v Speaker 2>last summer movie.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I haven't seen the new one, but I know

<v Speaker 1>I had to.

<v Speaker 2>Look her up because I thought she was really pretty

<v Speaker 2>and I like that she had like kind of a

<v Speaker 2>kind of like a edgy style.

<v Speaker 3>And I looked her up and it said she's a model.

<v Speaker 2>So she's pretty cool. I think I think she's she is.

<v Speaker 2>Thanks for knowing her name.

<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know.

<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's the only person I can think

<v Speaker 1>of right now, Gabriel.

<v Speaker 3>Okay, so thank you for talking to me. That model.

<v Speaker 3>So let's move on.

<v Speaker 2>This might be super serious again, do you have any

<v Speaker 2>hot takes or breading desires that you want to share

<v Speaker 2>about this movie?

<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, this I think my hot take is not

<v Speaker 1>so much like with the movie itself, just like in

<v Speaker 1>general I love this movie. I remember this is like

<v Speaker 1>one of the first things we had talked about when

<v Speaker 1>we were like getting to know each other. We're like,

<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Gea, it's like so good. And then

<v Speaker 1>it is a really good movie, one of the faves.

<v Speaker 1>But I hate watching it, like I do not like

<v Speaker 1>watching it. So having to rewatch this, I was like, no,

<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do it. It's just so sad

<v Speaker 1>because yes, in general, movies are sad, and you guys know,

<v Speaker 1>I love like when movies have happy endings, but like,

<v Speaker 1>this is somebody's life, I know. So it's just there's

<v Speaker 1>that extra layer.

<v Speaker 2>It does make it extra sad when it's like a

<v Speaker 2>true story and a sad ending, because at least when

<v Speaker 2>it's like fake, you can be like.

<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's not real, it's not real, but it is real.

<v Speaker 3>It is real so much. Yeah, that's sad. You well.

<v Speaker 2>I wrote in my hot take slash Burning Desire that

<v Speaker 2>Gia was the most Aquarius Aquarius to ever live, and

<v Speaker 2>I love it. I had forgotten that she was an

<v Speaker 2>Aquarius and I had to look it up because I

<v Speaker 2>was like, everybody is so like drawn to her and

<v Speaker 2>they're like, wow, she's so unique, and I'm like, girl,

<v Speaker 2>is she an Aquarius?

<v Speaker 3>You're like, I just know she is. She's energy and

<v Speaker 3>she is she was an Aquarius. And there are certain

<v Speaker 3>things that.

<v Speaker 2>She did January or February I can't remember. I want

<v Speaker 2>to say she I think she's January thirtieth. I think

<v Speaker 2>which So I'm an Aquarius, you guys. And she didn't

<v Speaker 2>my favorite celebrity aquarius.

<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

<v Speaker 2>People might get mad at me because I think that

<v Speaker 2>she might have done something bad recently, like maybe she's

<v Speaker 2>a Republican now. But I love Paris Hilton and I

<v Speaker 2>think she is such an Aquarius Aquarius because she's just

<v Speaker 2>like a weirdo, but she's like rich and pretty, so

<v Speaker 2>people like love that and nobody points out that she's

<v Speaker 2>watched like her documentary. I'm like, she's so she's so

<v Speaker 2>interesting and I love her. Oh and also Evan Peters

<v Speaker 2>is an Aquarius. He has the same birthday as my wife.

<v Speaker 2>So she loves him. She's like, oh, he's my birthday twin.

<v Speaker 2>Like and his ex Emma Roberts is also an aquarius,

<v Speaker 2>but she's.

<v Speaker 1>Oh, we're just loving all the wrong people.

<v Speaker 2>I did like her too, but I remember there was

<v Speaker 2>a thing where like she got arrested for beating him up,

<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my god, that was a

<v Speaker 2>long time ago. Anyway, you know I should talk about Okay,

<v Speaker 2>you a memory that's true, tell.

<v Speaker 3>You my birthday twin.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything bad about this person except that

<v Speaker 2>they were married to somebody that turned out to be bad.

<v Speaker 3>So me and Pharaoh is my birthday.

<v Speaker 1>Yes.

<v Speaker 2>And I think she is such an Aquarius. She's like

<v Speaker 2>this humanity that like is. She's always adopting kids and

<v Speaker 2>like giving money to things, and she like is she

<v Speaker 2>loves animals. She's just very like she's interesting. But I

<v Speaker 2>wish that she wasn't with Woody Allen. But I think

<v Speaker 2>she hates him now because she does she realized that

<v Speaker 2>he was a creepy weirdo. He married one of the

<v Speaker 2>adopted kids. She believes her daughter that he abused her daughter.

<v Speaker 2>And so I like Mia Farah and she's my birthday twin.

<v Speaker 3>Anyway, good, yeah, anyway.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's such an Aquarius, and I feel like they

<v Speaker 2>portrayed that really well in this movie, especially like in

<v Speaker 2>the beginning, because I think at some point the addiction

<v Speaker 2>kind of takes over her personality, so you're not seeing

<v Speaker 2>as much of her real personality without like the drugs.

<v Speaker 2>But like definitely in the beginning, she's like has this

<v Speaker 2>very different style and she stands out to everybody at the.

<v Speaker 3>At the modeling agency and stuff. So I love it.

<v Speaker 3>I love an Aquarius.

<v Speaker 2>But I mean, yeah, well I could hear about so

<v Speaker 2>many aquariums that are like kind of like bitches, but

<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we're like bitches in like a cool way,

<v Speaker 2>like I was giving you.

<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. There was this one girl who's like trying,

<v Speaker 1>i know, completely off topic, but she was trying to

<v Speaker 1>like protest and she was saying like, if you do this,

<v Speaker 1>like something is cunty, and people she thought it was

<v Speaker 1>still like the definition of yeah, like if you're a cunty,

<v Speaker 1>you're bad. And so she was doing that and people

<v Speaker 1>were like whoa. She's like, oh my god, I just

<v Speaker 1>learned that there's like a new meaning and it means like, yes,

<v Speaker 1>you're cool.

<v Speaker 3>So she was like cut.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's like if you like ice or something, you're county.

<v Speaker 3>People were like and.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was out there with her signs. So it

<v Speaker 1>made me think of that where it's like bitches, no,

<v Speaker 1>we're bitches.

<v Speaker 2>Yes. I was also thinking that like meme or whatever

<v Speaker 2>that's like I'm a girl's girl, but I'm a bitch

<v Speaker 2>to a bitch or whatever, and that made me laugh.

<v Speaker 2>But I do have a thing where every time I

<v Speaker 2>don't like a woman, whether it's like someone in real

<v Speaker 2>life or like a celebrity, I think about why that

<v Speaker 2>is and I frame it in am I letting like.

<v Speaker 3>The patriarchy shape my view of this woman?

<v Speaker 2>Right, Because there have been people I've met, like at

<v Speaker 2>work or whatever, and I'm like, oh, she's kind of

<v Speaker 2>a bitch.

<v Speaker 3>But then I'm like she's just a boss lady. Then

<v Speaker 3>I like reframe it and I'm like, yeah, she's cool,

<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, I think there's something to be said.

<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I forget that there are like women that are

<v Speaker 2>bad because I love women and I always think women

<v Speaker 2>are just better than men. And then I see, like

<v Speaker 2>I saw this really terrible story about this woman murderer

<v Speaker 2>that killed this other girl in the nineties and I

<v Speaker 2>was like.

<v Speaker 3>Oh, she's an evil No. Man, that's so sad iget.

<v Speaker 1>It's heartbreaking because you know sometomen Yeah, we always say

<v Speaker 1>women can do no wrong, but sometimes they do wrong.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because usually on snap killing a husband and he

<v Speaker 2>was probably.

<v Speaker 3>An asshole, like he probably kill another girl or a woman.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, when they're genuinely evil and I'm like, oh

<v Speaker 1>my god, what, Yeah, I don't like that.

<v Speaker 2>Anyway, We're gonna take a little break, you poo, and

<v Speaker 2>when we get back, we'll get into the recaps. So

<v Speaker 2>get your tissues ready because, like we said, this is

<v Speaker 2>a sad one.

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to but I'm a lesbian. This week we

<v Speaker 1>are discussing Gia.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, so something that I I was gonna look

<v Speaker 2>up what you call this type of movie maybe you know. Sorry,

<v Speaker 2>there's like a hair on my lip. You got if

<v Speaker 2>you're on your TV. I keep touching my lip. It's

<v Speaker 2>like stuck in a left hay.

<v Speaker 1>When that happens, when it's like there's like the hair

<v Speaker 1>that's there.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I did.

<v Speaker 2>I shaved my little mustache so it's not like attached

<v Speaker 2>to you, I.

<v Speaker 3>Know, it's not. It's probably a cat hair like, but

<v Speaker 3>it's one of those that you can't like get out.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so annoying anyway, I should leave it alone.

<v Speaker 2>Something that our editor said was that I have to

<v Speaker 2>stop touching my face because I.

<v Speaker 3>Think I'm always like oh we hopez.

<v Speaker 2>And then in the video version, she's like, you keep

<v Speaker 2>covering your face.

<v Speaker 1>You're like, I feel like you do your face and

<v Speaker 1>I'm always with my hair.

<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm like, both sides. Okay.

<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what this is called because it's

<v Speaker 2>not a mockumentary, but it's like I was gonna sort of, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like it's filmed as if it's a documentary,

<v Speaker 2>but it's not like they have interviews with people playing

<v Speaker 2>real people and they're talking to the camera as if

<v Speaker 2>it's a documentary. But then there's also like full acting

<v Speaker 2>scenes with the same people. So yeah, and I felt

<v Speaker 2>like I said that. I said this to my wife.

<v Speaker 2>I was like, I feel like this was really popular

<v Speaker 2>at that time in the late nineties, and she's like,

<v Speaker 2>I've never seen another movie that does this.

<v Speaker 3>What other movie There's got to be another movie that

<v Speaker 3>doesn't know this one.

<v Speaker 2>I thought there were more, but I couldn't think of

<v Speaker 2>any off the top of my head. So if anyone

<v Speaker 2>can think of any other movies that are like made

<v Speaker 2>to look it's kind of it's giving the Office, but

<v Speaker 2>that is a show. But you know, like in the

<v Speaker 2>Office they would like talk to the camera and it

<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a documentary and then.

<v Speaker 1>There's actual yeah, yeah, you know what, there's there's got

<v Speaker 1>to be movies.

<v Speaker 2>I just I just like, how much time I spent

<v Speaker 2>explaining this and people probably totally understood what it is.

<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, let me tell you, it's kind of

<v Speaker 2>like a documentary but not.

<v Speaker 3>Do you get you guys, I'm like, okay, you have

<v Speaker 3>to explain.

<v Speaker 1>I always I think the same thing when we like

<v Speaker 1>are recapping these movies. Yeah, I'm trying to give the

<v Speaker 1>people a visual, especially if they've never seen it. You know.

<v Speaker 1>So when they do like the little like flashback scenes

<v Speaker 1>or like they cut from here there, we're like, okay,

<v Speaker 1>they're cutting to this scene, they're doing that, and.

<v Speaker 3>Then it's a flashback.

<v Speaker 2>I'm always like, dude, you're like going back, yes, okay, good, yes,

<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes people would rather just listen to a recap

<v Speaker 2>than actually watch the movie.

<v Speaker 3>And that's what we're here for.

<v Speaker 2>Whether you have seen it and you want to listen

<v Speaker 2>to it again, but listen to people talk about it

<v Speaker 2>in bed were like the commentary on a DVD.

<v Speaker 3>Did you Yes?

<v Speaker 1>I used to love watching those things sects for when

<v Speaker 1>I felt like they didn't Sometimes I feel like they

<v Speaker 1>didn't explain it well, oh, and they would make me

<v Speaker 1>mad because I'm like, I could do a way better

<v Speaker 1>job at this. Yeah, and then now it is my jar.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would watch Okay. I don't know that I've

<v Speaker 2>talked about this on the podcast, but I was obsessed

<v Speaker 2>with Good Charlotte when I was like, oh my god,

<v Speaker 2>when I was like probably like thirteen to fifteen obsessed.

<v Speaker 2>I went to a Good Charlotte concert in Santa Barbara.

<v Speaker 2>My mom took me because I was fourteen and she

<v Speaker 2>wasn't gonna let me go alone. Benji, who I was

<v Speaker 2>in love with, threw his towel into the audience and

<v Speaker 2>me and four a their girls caught it and we

<v Speaker 2>were fighting over it, and so all the moms had

<v Speaker 2>to like cut it.

<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, did they cut it? Okay?

<v Speaker 2>And so I kept his sweaty towel for like. I

<v Speaker 2>had it until I was probably like twenty five. I

<v Speaker 2>kept it for like years and years. It was like

<v Speaker 2>my favorite concept. Anyway, I had a DVD. Me and

<v Speaker 2>my cousin, who was also obsessed with Good Charlotte, would

<v Speaker 2>watch the DVD over and over again, and I don't

<v Speaker 2>even it was like, I truly don't know what the

<v Speaker 2>DVD was of. I think it had like some of

<v Speaker 2>their videos, and then it had like some behind the

<v Speaker 2>scenes stuff, but you could watch the whole thing with

<v Speaker 2>commentary if you wanted, and we would watch it and

<v Speaker 2>we were like, oh my god, it's like we're there

<v Speaker 2>with Benji and Jael, like I have to so weird. Anyway,

<v Speaker 2>I just thought that Benji was cool because he had

<v Speaker 2>a lot of tattoos and piercings. And I feel like,

<v Speaker 2>in my heart, I always knew that that's who I

<v Speaker 2>wanted to be when I grew up. Not that I

<v Speaker 2>wanted to be Benji, but I wanted to be a cool, tattooed,

<v Speaker 2>pierced person with like interesting style.

<v Speaker 3>You were like, yeah, that's yeah, I fucked with him.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah anyway, so let's talk about the actual movie. So,

<v Speaker 2>like I want to talk about good Charlotte.

<v Speaker 3>Okay.

<v Speaker 2>So the film starts by giving this little like bio snippet,

<v Speaker 2>you know, when there's just like words so you can

<v Speaker 2>read them.

<v Speaker 3>I always read it out loud when there are other

<v Speaker 3>people in the me.

<v Speaker 1>Too, I read it all less.

<v Speaker 3>So then in case they're not paying attention, I'm like,

<v Speaker 3>are you listening to what?

<v Speaker 1>Like? Can you hear me?

<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I was like, I can read. I'm like,

<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you were looking at something else.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it's a little bio like snippet about the

<v Speaker 2>real Gia Marie Kuranji, who was born in nineteen sixty

<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia and became a famous model in the early eighties. So,

<v Speaker 2>like I was trying to explain earlier, the film is

<v Speaker 2>made kind of like a documentary in some parts, with

<v Speaker 2>actors playing the parts of people that she knew, and

<v Speaker 2>they show it starts with them showing it like documentary style.

<v Speaker 2>They show a few different people talking to the camera

<v Speaker 2>about what made her so special and because she's an Aquarius.

<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and she's beautiful.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And so I was like, they mentioned that

<v Speaker 2>she was very beautiful, but they also mentioned that she

<v Speaker 2>did drugs, so we know that there is going to

<v Speaker 2>be some sort of maybe downfall at this point. And

<v Speaker 2>then we flash to seeing Angelina Jolie as Jia walking

<v Speaker 2>down a runway to like a bunch of fanfare and

<v Speaker 2>like a fancy dress, so it's like we're seeing her.

<v Speaker 3>And then we go.

<v Speaker 2>Flashback and we see Gia as a kid played by

<v Speaker 2>Mila Kunis, and she's hanging out with her mom while

<v Speaker 2>her mom gets ready to go out. And so I

<v Speaker 2>think part of what we I mean, we gather multiple

<v Speaker 2>things from this scene. They're doing this thing where the

<v Speaker 2>mom and the daughter saying this, like you do be

<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful, the prettiest girl, Like, yeah, I do

<v Speaker 2>be that, I do be the prettiest girl. So I

<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's like some saying that they do, but

<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're also showing us the the mom

<v Speaker 2>was like really beautiful and was like she wanted to

<v Speaker 2>be like her mom in some ways.

<v Speaker 1>But they're doing affirmations, but.

<v Speaker 2>We also see that the mom was kind of like

<v Speaker 2>maybe a little wild.

<v Speaker 3>Because she was going out without the dad.

<v Speaker 2>And then we flash forward a few hours and we

<v Speaker 2>see the mom come home and the dad is yelling

<v Speaker 2>at her and calling her a whore and being like,

<v Speaker 2>who are you with blah blah blah, and Gia sees

<v Speaker 2>this and hears them fighting, and so they're kind of

<v Speaker 2>showing us some of her trauma.

<v Speaker 3>And then the mom moves out and leaves the kids

<v Speaker 3>with the dad.

<v Speaker 2>So that definitely shows up later because she seems to

<v Speaker 2>have a lot of issues with abandonment. And it's like, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>because her mom like left.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>So then we flash forward to seeing her as like

<v Speaker 2>a teenager working at her dad's restaurant and I said,

<v Speaker 2>she's very cool and very aquarius with spiky colored hair,

<v Speaker 2>a tattoo, and no bra. And then a guy named

<v Speaker 2>TJ comes into the restaurant and they become instant friends

<v Speaker 2>and they go hang out. She's like, Okay, bye, I'm

<v Speaker 2>in charge because my dad's the owner and I'm the

<v Speaker 2>she's over.

<v Speaker 3>She's like, I'm gonna go hang out with this guy

<v Speaker 3>I just met.

<v Speaker 2>And so they meet some fashion industry people that are

<v Speaker 2>like being creepy and staring at them, but they end

<v Speaker 2>up hanging out with them, and those fashion industry people

<v Speaker 2>invite them over to take pictures and like do sex stuff.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they specifically say that's what they want,

<v Speaker 2>but it's kind of obvious the way they're like leering

<v Speaker 2>at them, and they're like older, not like super old,

<v Speaker 2>but they're definitely older than like the seventeen year olds

<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And then she uh, So, Gia gets TJ

<v Speaker 2>and the photographer guy to make out, and I loved that.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I loved it so much. I

<v Speaker 2>just was like, I felt like she was being like

<v Speaker 2>the She knew that TJ probably wanted to like make

<v Speaker 2>out with the guy, but he was not like ready

<v Speaker 2>to start. She was like, I'm going to make out

<v Speaker 2>with both of them and then make them make out.

<v Speaker 3>She's like power play.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then she left and went and made out

<v Speaker 2>with the girls anyway. I was like, wow, I love her.

<v Speaker 3>She's a true friend.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, She's like, you're welcome. I'm going to go over

<v Speaker 2>to this hot older woman. And then in the morning,

<v Speaker 2>we see Gia go to her mom's house and sneak

<v Speaker 2>in while she's gone, so it's like she obviously has

<v Speaker 2>some mommy issues.

<v Speaker 3>Like she misses her mom.

<v Speaker 2>Then we see her and TJ heading to New York

<v Speaker 2>and going to Wilhelmina Models. So basically, that guy that

<v Speaker 2>was taking the pictures or whatever was like, she's so fashion,

<v Speaker 2>but Philadelphia is like not ready for her, Like she

<v Speaker 2>needs to go to New York where like the startup

<v Speaker 2>everything right.

<v Speaker 3>And so.

<v Speaker 2>All the other girls at the Wilhelmina like casting office

<v Speaker 2>are very basic and but she's edgy and different because

<v Speaker 2>she's an Aquarius and to be right now obviously, and

<v Speaker 2>the receptionist is a cunt and not in a good way.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in a bad way, a bad way.

<v Speaker 2>And so Gia carves her own name to the desk

<v Speaker 2>because the receptionist was like, what's your name, Gina or

<v Speaker 2>whatever she said, and she's like g i A and

<v Speaker 2>carves it and she's like can you remember it now?

<v Speaker 2>And anyway, I was like she's so cool, and then

<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, Helmina thinks so too, because she

<v Speaker 2>signs her and TJ moves Gia into an apartment and

<v Speaker 2>then he leaves to go back to Philly, and she

<v Speaker 2>hates being left because of her mom leaving. She acts

<v Speaker 2>like she's going to do sex stuff with him, and

<v Speaker 2>he knows that she's not going to, and she takes

<v Speaker 2>off his underwear and wears them, which is random, but

<v Speaker 2>I think maybe they were trying to be like, look,

<v Speaker 2>she's gay. She thinks it's like she has no interest

<v Speaker 2>in his penis, but she wants to wear his underwear

<v Speaker 2>and thinks it's interesting. Yeah, but I was upset as

<v Speaker 2>a lesbian because they showed a hairy man butt when

<v Speaker 2>they took his underwear off, and I don't like seem

<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm scared perfectly.

<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, oh my god, you show me

<v Speaker 1>that and you have like a trigger warn you know.

<v Speaker 3>That's no. I'll tell you to be able to story later. Okay.

<v Speaker 2>So after he leaves, we see that she's very lonely

<v Speaker 2>and she calls Wilhemina in the middle of the night,

<v Speaker 2>and it's sad because she's literally a teenager. She's like

<v Speaker 2>seventeen and she's all alone. And it turns out that

<v Speaker 2>she can't sleep because she's nervous about her big photo shoot,

<v Speaker 2>which is tomorrow. So she called Wilhelmina because I feel

<v Speaker 2>like Wilhelmina, who she calls Willy, kind of becomes like

<v Speaker 2>a mother figure and so Willy is like, well, just

<v Speaker 2>take half of a numbuitaal and so I feel like

<v Speaker 2>this is like showing like taking drugs for things is

<v Speaker 2>kind of normalized because she's like, Oh, everyone does this,

<v Speaker 2>you know, like just.

<v Speaker 3>Do that, yeah, like just make you feel about go

<v Speaker 3>to sleep.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>And so then the next day she's sitting outside the

<v Speaker 2>photo shoe like place building and she looks like a

<v Speaker 2>homeless person. She's like wearing a hoodie and like comfy clothes,

<v Speaker 2>and she has like a coffee cup and it's she's

<v Speaker 2>just like holding it out like and so these other

<v Speaker 2>like models walk in and they think she's a homeless

<v Speaker 2>person and they put change in her. And so that

<v Speaker 2>was awkward because then she's like.

<v Speaker 3>Because there was coffee.

<v Speaker 2>And then uh, she goes inside and sees the same

<v Speaker 2>models or whatever, and uh, the whoever the photographer or

<v Speaker 2>the assistant guy is like, can I do anything for you?

<v Speaker 3>And she's like, yeah, I need more coffee please, because

<v Speaker 3>she's like.

<v Speaker 2>And then she meets the love of her life, Linda

<v Speaker 2>the makeup artist who oh my gosh, I can't remember

<v Speaker 2>the actress's name, but she's very beautiful and show something.

<v Speaker 3>I thought it was Elizabeth Something.

<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you're so right. Something.

<v Speaker 3>That's what Elizabeth Warren. No is that A is that

<v Speaker 3>a presidential person?

<v Speaker 1>It's Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth, I keep wanting to stay. Elizabeth Banks.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's not the right.

<v Speaker 3>She's also very beautiful, but much younger.

<v Speaker 1>Than this Elizabeth William.

<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know, we'll find out later.

<v Speaker 2>But anyway, she meets Linda, the makeup artist, who is

<v Speaker 2>going to be the love of her life.

<v Speaker 3>And after the regular photo.

<v Speaker 2>Shoot, the photographer is like, does anybody want to stay

<v Speaker 2>and make real art or whatever? And Ga stays and

<v Speaker 2>the other models leave, but she said she'll only stay

<v Speaker 2>if Linda stays. So she already likes her, and she

<v Speaker 2>like does nudes, and then the she keeps like kind

<v Speaker 2>of staring at Linda, and then.

<v Speaker 1>The Elizabeth Mitchell Mitchell, thank you for the fact check.

<v Speaker 3>Not Warren, okay, poor William yeah, or Bank yes okay.

<v Speaker 2>So then the photographer is like, get in there, and

<v Speaker 2>she's like, you want me in the shot? And so

<v Speaker 2>then she does nudes with her, which I feel like

<v Speaker 2>is very sensual, and they're very like turned on, and

<v Speaker 2>then I was like, yeah, I was like, it's all

<v Speaker 2>very sensual, except the creepy mel photographer that's there.

<v Speaker 1>I know, right, take him out of the question, yes.

<v Speaker 2>And then they have sex that night at Gia's place,

<v Speaker 2>and when Geo wakes up, Linda's already dressed and at

<v Speaker 2>the elevator and Gia hates being left right, So Geo

<v Speaker 2>walks out naked and is like, oh my god, why

<v Speaker 2>are you leaving? And Linda's like, well, I have a boyfriend.

<v Speaker 2>And Gia' is sad because she's like, everyone leaves me.

<v Speaker 2>And then the elevator opens and there's men in there

<v Speaker 2>and they're like, you're naked, kid, and and then Linda

<v Speaker 2>does get in the elevator, and that made me sad

<v Speaker 2>because I hope that she wouldn't get in the elevator.

<v Speaker 1>Be like I hate my boyfriend, I'm in love with you.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>Also this made me laugh. I think me and my

<v Speaker 2>wife both said this. I don't know, I am so

<v Speaker 2>Gia in this situation because I don't give a fuck

<v Speaker 2>about being naked.

<v Speaker 3>I would be like, what are you doing and would

<v Speaker 3>be like so it just made me laugh.

<v Speaker 2>So then we jumped to seeing Gia doing another photo

<v Speaker 2>shoot and then she goes to Studio fifty four.

<v Speaker 3>With another model and they're doing coke, and.

<v Speaker 2>So we see some drug stuff and then we see

<v Speaker 2>a montage of more photo shoots, but I think we're

<v Speaker 2>also supposed to see that she's getting more and more

<v Speaker 2>like into drugs, which is also.

<v Speaker 3>Making more and more money.

<v Speaker 2>And we see her go pick Linda up in a

<v Speaker 2>fancy sports car and I was like, she's trying.

<v Speaker 3>To of course a sports car, right, And so then.

<v Speaker 2>She takes her to visit her mom and introduces Linda

<v Speaker 2>as her girlfriend, but her mom doesn't really understand.

<v Speaker 3>Like I was like, okay, your girlfriend like your friends, yeah,

<v Speaker 3>you know.

<v Speaker 2>Yes, And then she's like, so, do you have a

<v Speaker 2>boyfriend and she's like, no, Linda has a boyfriend, though

<v Speaker 2>I have a girlfriend. And then she's my girlfriend. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I don't the mom's get it. Whatever,

<v Speaker 2>And then she shows her mom that she's on the

<v Speaker 2>cover of Vogue and her mom is so excited, and

<v Speaker 2>you can tell that she just really wants of an

<v Speaker 2>acceptance from her mom and like for her mom to

<v Speaker 2>be proud of her. And then she brings her mom

<v Speaker 2>to New York to her apartment, and the mom is

<v Speaker 2>kind of judgmental because she like walked in and was

<v Speaker 2>like m and she's like, well, I got it, like

<v Speaker 2>on late.

<v Speaker 3>Notice or something, and the mom's like, yeah, I can tell.

<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, what the.

<v Speaker 1>Hell are you be such a bitch.

<v Speaker 2>And so then they show they showed Gia keeps calling

<v Speaker 2>and sending flowers to Linda and like.

<v Speaker 1>How do you not like how how can you like

<v Speaker 1>just get that attention from her? And I'd be like,

<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm leaving my boyfriend.

<v Speaker 2>I know.

<v Speaker 3>They show Linda at her apartment, and her apartment she's.

<v Speaker 2>Crazy with yellow roses, and the boyfriend is like, who

<v Speaker 2>are all these from?

<v Speaker 3>Like what the hell? And any who. I also had

<v Speaker 3>to mention because I love to talk about myself. She

<v Speaker 3>kept getting.

<v Speaker 2>Yellow roses for Linda, and I did look up the

<v Speaker 2>meaning of yellow roses and they mean friendship, which I

<v Speaker 2>don't think she knew the meaning of that.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I love yellow roses.

<v Speaker 2>And the first date that while and I went on,

<v Speaker 2>when she wore flip flops and I was like, oh

<v Speaker 2>my god, why are you wearing flip flops? Even though

<v Speaker 2>she'll defend it to the state because we were going

<v Speaker 2>to the beach, but I just don't think you should

<v Speaker 2>have the dogs out on your first date.

<v Speaker 1>I am sorry. I think this is one of the

<v Speaker 1>few moments I disagree with you.

<v Speaker 3>She's at the beach. Wasn't the beach during the day?

<v Speaker 3>We went to go sit and talk at the beach

<v Speaker 3>at night after?

<v Speaker 1>Like she didn't want to get sand in her shoes. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>if there's ever a place, if there's ever a place.

<v Speaker 3>For flip flops, it's true, but I just I hate

<v Speaker 3>flip hoops.

<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I should have known she showed a note, but

<v Speaker 2>she brought me a yellow rose from a random person's

<v Speaker 2>garden that she like picks on her way.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I love yellow roses. Anyway.

<v Speaker 2>Within one night, we see Gia go to Linda's apartment

<v Speaker 2>and Linda and the boyfriend are coming home from like

<v Speaker 2>being out, and the boyfriend is like drunk. Anyway, Linda

<v Speaker 2>or Gia confronts Linda about non answering her calls and

<v Speaker 2>the boyfriend's being annoying. He's like, I'm wrecked, and then

<v Speaker 2>he's like, you're beautiful. The should we all party? And

<v Speaker 2>I'm like, my god, nobody wants you, sir.

<v Speaker 3>Right.

<v Speaker 2>Gia tells Linda that she's the most beautiful woman she's

<v Speaker 2>ever seen, and she kisses her and then she pushes

<v Speaker 2>the boyfriend that she leaves and she's like, oh yeah,

<v Speaker 2>and the boyfriend's like what what the fuck? And she's like,

<v Speaker 2>that was the florist, you know, because yeah, like a

<v Speaker 2>drug about the floris. So I don't know, I thought

<v Speaker 2>it was really cool that Gia did that.

<v Speaker 1>She's like, Linda's mine.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so then the next day, mom the mom

<v Speaker 2>needs to go home, and Gia starts throwing a fit

<v Speaker 2>and it's so sad because she obviously has has issues

<v Speaker 2>because of her leaving them when.

<v Speaker 3>She was a kid.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then we see a montage of more photo

<v Speaker 2>shoots and how busy and popular she is, and then

<v Speaker 2>we also see her doing more drugs and feeling sad

<v Speaker 2>and used and abandoned, and we see her on a

<v Speaker 2>plane talking to her mom. But then the mom turns

<v Speaker 2>into Linda, and then Linda turns into Wilhelmina. It's a

<v Speaker 2>whole thing. So it's like they're showing us how busy

<v Speaker 2>she is, but also I think just how like disorienting

<v Speaker 2>everything is, and that she is also doing a lot

<v Speaker 2>of drugs, so it's adding to the disorientation anyway. At

<v Speaker 2>some point when when when the person she's talking to

<v Speaker 2>is Linda, she says, I will be king and you

<v Speaker 2>will be queen. And I think that's really sweet and

<v Speaker 2>it's from something, but I don't remember what it's from.

<v Speaker 3>And then.

<v Speaker 2>And then Linda turns into Wilhelmina and she's talking about

<v Speaker 2>her future and wanting to have children and how she

<v Speaker 2>would tell them that being somebody doesn't make you anybody,

<v Speaker 2>and so she's just having a lot of inner thoughts

<v Speaker 2>and turmoil. Then we find out that Wilhelmina is sick

<v Speaker 2>and in the hospital, and we see Gia doing heavier drugs,

<v Speaker 2>and then at the hospital a guy tries to like

<v Speaker 2>poach her and be her agent. He's basically like, so,

<v Speaker 2>since Wilhelmina is dying, you're gonna need a new agent.

<v Speaker 3>You should come to me.

<v Speaker 2>And I know that's I looked up, like that's so sad,

<v Speaker 2>and g is mad and she's like, would never leave Willy,

<v Speaker 2>like she loves her. So then Gia tells Willy she

<v Speaker 2>wants to take some time to rest and not work,

<v Speaker 2>but Willie tells her that this is not the time

<v Speaker 2>to do it. She's like you're like really hot right now,

<v Speaker 2>like you are yeah, yeah, And so you know we

<v Speaker 2>kind of see that she is like struggling, but of

<v Speaker 2>course she's going to do what her mother figure Willy says.

<v Speaker 2>So then Willie Slash Wilhelmina dies and Gia is so

<v Speaker 2>sad and she cries a lot and she does more drugs,

<v Speaker 2>and then we see her at a photo shoot and

<v Speaker 2>she's coming down and like getting sick from like I

<v Speaker 2>don't know, like what's the word, like detoxing, like run

<v Speaker 2>with drugs, yes, withdrawing, and like what is the word

<v Speaker 2>running out of drugs?

<v Speaker 3>And so she is like not doing good, and.

<v Speaker 2>She is asking random people that are working on the

<v Speaker 2>photo shoot if they can go downtown and like score

<v Speaker 2>more drugs for her because she's like sick and no

<v Speaker 2>one is helping her. And then she's like it's like

<v Speaker 2>a shoot with a motorcycle, and so she asked the

<v Speaker 2>male model on the motorcycle to like actually take off,

<v Speaker 2>and he like drives her downtown or whatever.

<v Speaker 3>So she just like leaves the photo She's like, bye,

<v Speaker 3>I need to go. Yes.

<v Speaker 2>So she's she's dressed in fancy photo shoot clothes and

<v Speaker 2>she's so sick and walking in this downtown area looking

<v Speaker 2>for drugs. She goes into an alley into like a

<v Speaker 2>like a drug house and asks for drugs, and there's

<v Speaker 2>like a guy in there that's like, I'll let you

<v Speaker 2>use my last needle, or like I'll let you use

<v Speaker 2>my shot that I have preloaded, which is really nice

<v Speaker 2>of him because he's so sweet. He obviously like an addict,

<v Speaker 2>and he was about to shoot himself up and he's

<v Speaker 2>sacrificing it for this woman.

<v Speaker 3>He doesn't know that is true, that that is unheard of.

<v Speaker 2>I think you yeah, I mean, that's you should go

<v Speaker 2>around shooting people up to be nice. But it's like

<v Speaker 2>kind of selfless of him, but also it's fucked up

<v Speaker 2>because she says, I've never shot up, and he's like,

<v Speaker 2>this is all I have and she so he like

<v Speaker 2>introduces her to shooting up, which is like in his mind,

<v Speaker 2>I think he thinks he's being nice.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like, I'm helping her.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's sick and she needs this, but yeah, and

<v Speaker 2>then you know, this is probably not a brand new

<v Speaker 2>needle that he's using, and so this could be the

<v Speaker 2>beginning of where she ends up getting HIV. I don't know,

<v Speaker 2>they're just showing this as an example. Maybe there were

<v Speaker 2>more times with sharing needles, but this was like the

<v Speaker 2>first time.

<v Speaker 1>I feel like, yeah, I agree with you. That's definitely

<v Speaker 1>probably like how they're introducing, like you know, yeah that

<v Speaker 1>this is how.

<v Speaker 2>She share that we know can uh be risky for

<v Speaker 2>blood born and sexually transmitted illnesses. So she shows up

<v Speaker 2>at Linda's house looking all be up and asked if

<v Speaker 2>the boyfriend is there, and she says, I don't have

<v Speaker 2>a boyfriend anymore, like okay.

<v Speaker 1>Finally, literally I'm like, oh my god, this Angelina Joe

<v Speaker 1>Lee is like you should.

<v Speaker 3>Break up with her boyfriend and be with me. You're

<v Speaker 3>the most beautiful woman.

<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen, and all these roses and like doing

<v Speaker 1>all these things for her. I'm like, literally the moment,

<v Speaker 1>like honestly, the moment she went home with her, I'd

<v Speaker 1>be like, I don't have a boyfriend.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

<v Speaker 1>I literally am like yeah.

<v Speaker 3>Like weird.

<v Speaker 1>Okay.

<v Speaker 2>So then Linda takes care of her, and then Gia

<v Speaker 2>decides to go home to Philly and get away from

<v Speaker 2>all the drugs.

<v Speaker 3>But that also means like stopping.

<v Speaker 2>Work for a while and Wilhelmina's husband is now over

<v Speaker 2>the company and he is so mad and he said

<v Speaker 2>he hopes that she dies, and I'm like, wow, what

<v Speaker 2>a dick. I know, like, I hope she dies in

<v Speaker 2>Philly because she left because she's not working. Yes okay, yes, okay,

<v Speaker 2>And so then we see Gia start methadone and I'm

<v Speaker 2>proud of her. Then Linda still has to work in

<v Speaker 2>New York and so like she's being in Philadelphia with her,

<v Speaker 2>but when she goes to work in New York, she's

<v Speaker 2>not there, ye you know, And whenever she leaves, she

<v Speaker 2>is sad because of her abandonment issues. She hangs out

<v Speaker 2>with her mom, and her mom is such a fucking bitch.

<v Speaker 2>Her mom is like, you're getting fat and slouchy and

<v Speaker 2>look at your skin, like it's because of the methadone.

<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, what you want her? She's literally getting

<v Speaker 2>on heroin because you thought she looked better that way

<v Speaker 2>and because she was like making more money and being

<v Speaker 2>your famous daughter, like you only appreciated her when she

<v Speaker 2>was sick. And her mom sucks, and so she's like

<v Speaker 2>her mom tells her, like you need to get back

<v Speaker 2>to work or whatever. And she's like, I'm never going

<v Speaker 2>back to work. And Gia calls Linda's house to talk

<v Speaker 2>to her, and the boyfriend answers, and she loses it

<v Speaker 2>and steals her mom's money and jewelry and goes on

<v Speaker 2>like a bender, and she's getting chased by the cops

<v Speaker 2>and then she like stops and she yells at the

<v Speaker 2>cop and is like, why are you following it?

<v Speaker 3>Cop was like ma'am, and she's like, I'm trying to

<v Speaker 3>get to New York. Stop following me. You're bothering me,

<v Speaker 3>and it's so funny. She's just like hold on again.

<v Speaker 2>Apparently she does end up getting arrested, but it was

<v Speaker 2>just so funny.

<v Speaker 3>He was like shocked, like what she's just yelling at me?

<v Speaker 3>And so she gets arrested.

<v Speaker 2>Linda like bails her out or whatever, picks her up,

<v Speaker 2>and she tries to blame Linda for her choices. She's like, well,

<v Speaker 2>it's if it wasn't because your boyfriend was there, I

<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have done this, yeah, And Linda's like he was

<v Speaker 2>literally like just there to pick up stuff, like you know,

<v Speaker 2>he shouldn't have jumped to yeah, And then Gia's like,

<v Speaker 2>I have to go back to work to support us

<v Speaker 2>and I can't live this way, like she needs to

<v Speaker 2>have more money whatever, and people don't want to take her,

<v Speaker 2>like agents don't want to take her because they know

<v Speaker 2>that she's an addict.

<v Speaker 3>Like she didn't hide it. She ran away from that

<v Speaker 3>photo shoot. She was very high on multiple photo shoots.

<v Speaker 2>The creepy guy from the hospital that tried to like

<v Speaker 2>steal her, he didn't even really want her, but he's like,

<v Speaker 2>we're doing this TV special about models, and we want

<v Speaker 2>you to be on it and talk about how you

<v Speaker 2>used to do drugs but now you don't and like

<v Speaker 2>you're sober, and if you do that, then I will

<v Speaker 2>take you out as client. And so she said okay.

<v Speaker 2>And of course when she goes to the like recording whatever,

<v Speaker 2>the filming, she is all nervous, and then she goes

<v Speaker 2>into the bathroom and she's snorting stuff and Linda sees

<v Speaker 2>her and she's obviously high. When she's filming the special,

<v Speaker 2>that's like yeah, sounds so yeah. Like she just keeps

<v Speaker 2>losing like track of her sentences and it's like this

<v Speaker 2>is so sad. So later that night, Linda is in

<v Speaker 2>her apartment and Gia comes to the window and like

<v Speaker 2>knocks on the window and then she.

<v Speaker 3>Breaks the fucking window. She keaps the window and breaks

<v Speaker 3>it and she's like Sammy, she's like like she and

<v Speaker 3>Linda's like what the fuck?

<v Speaker 2>And Linda's like we're over, and Gia flips out and

<v Speaker 2>is like, who are you to judge me about one line?

<v Speaker 2>Like I just needed the one line or whatever, and

<v Speaker 2>Linda knows she's lying that she probably hasn't been sober

<v Speaker 2>for a while, and the scene is so sad because

<v Speaker 2>they do love each other, but basically Gia chooses the

<v Speaker 2>drugs over her like there's like she has like a

<v Speaker 2>little like vile and like Linda takes it from her,

<v Speaker 2>and then she acts like she isn't going to try

<v Speaker 2>to take it back from Linda, but then she takes

<v Speaker 2>it back, and so Linda is like, pretty much, you

<v Speaker 2>just made your decision, Like I can't be with you

<v Speaker 2>when you're.

<v Speaker 3>Self destructing like this.

<v Speaker 2>So then we're back at the beginning scene of her

<v Speaker 2>on the runway in that like fancy dress that they showed,

<v Speaker 2>but we see more of it and we see that

<v Speaker 2>she's kind of like flipping out and acting weird at

<v Speaker 2>the end on the runway and then she runs to

<v Speaker 2>the back to shoot up, and we see her veins

<v Speaker 2>looking really messed up. She has like a big, like

<v Speaker 2>like an obsessed type of thing on her hand, and

<v Speaker 2>she gets blood on the fancy dress and then she

<v Speaker 2>passes out, and then her model friend comes and wakes

<v Speaker 2>her up, and you just see that she's like really

<v Speaker 2>fucked up, and we see the agent telling her like,

<v Speaker 2>I can't really get you any work right now, and

<v Speaker 2>she gets one photo shoot. She's obviously so fucked up there.

<v Speaker 2>She starts freaking out because she has a knife that

<v Speaker 2>she wants to keep on her at all times, but

<v Speaker 2>they don't need it in the photo, so somebody took

<v Speaker 2>the knife out of the photo.

<v Speaker 3>Then she starts yelling at everybody.

<v Speaker 2>I think this is the same shoe where they're like

<v Speaker 2>making her hide her arms behind her because you can

<v Speaker 2>see all her.

<v Speaker 3>Track marks and the obsess and stuff.

<v Speaker 2>And so that photographer really liked her and he really

<v Speaker 2>wanted to give her a job, and she is like thankful,

<v Speaker 2>but it's just so sad because you just see like

<v Speaker 2>the other people there are like why did you want her?

<v Speaker 2>You know, And he's like I want to work with her.

<v Speaker 2>Like I love her, it's sad. And so after the shoot,

<v Speaker 2>she calls her mom from a plane and tells her

<v Speaker 2>she doesn't feel good and the mom's like, well, you're

<v Speaker 2>just tired, and she's like, uh, can I come home again?

<v Speaker 2>And the mom is like no, because you know what

<v Speaker 2>happened last time, because she stole all the stuff and

<v Speaker 2>da da da, And so she then passes out at

<v Speaker 2>a photo shoot in Germany and she's getting sicker and

<v Speaker 2>really struggling. And then when she's back in New York,

<v Speaker 2>TJ comes to visit and she's like not doing well

<v Speaker 2>at all.

<v Speaker 3>She's like acting really weird.

<v Speaker 2>She tries to have sex with him for money because

<v Speaker 2>she doesn't know where she put her money and she

<v Speaker 2>needs more drugs and she's like I'll let you fuck

<v Speaker 2>me if you pay me, and he's like this is

<v Speaker 2>like not.

<v Speaker 1>This is not the Giah.

<v Speaker 2>He's my friend, and she's not acting the same. Then

<v Speaker 2>he tries to give her like a hug and like

<v Speaker 2>tell her to calm down, and she cuts him with

<v Speaker 2>the knife that she's always having, and then she like

<v Speaker 2>laughs about it, but then she also looks sad, so

<v Speaker 2>it's like she has like lost it.

<v Speaker 3>She's like, he doesn't know what's going on.

<v Speaker 2>He takes her to rehab and she has no money,

<v Speaker 2>and the social work person at the rehab is like, okay,

<v Speaker 2>well you have to declare yourself indigent, which is just

<v Speaker 2>so wild because she was literally so rich a while ago,

<v Speaker 2>but like she obviously like squandered it all. And so

<v Speaker 2>we see her detoxing in the rehab and she's like

<v Speaker 2>so miserable. She was doing group and family therapy and

<v Speaker 2>her mom was being a cunt about it. Of course,

<v Speaker 2>her mom's like it's not my fault, blah blah blah,

<v Speaker 2>and it's like, girl, I mean in her Yeah, you

<v Speaker 2>need to look at like what could it have been?

<v Speaker 2>Did I do anything?

<v Speaker 3>And she didn't really do.

<v Speaker 2>It, you know, yeah, And so Gia calls Linda to apologize,

<v Speaker 2>like to make amends. It was one of the steps

<v Speaker 2>in the rehab and she apologizes for all the things

<v Speaker 2>she did to her when she was not sober, and

<v Speaker 2>Linda is like listening to her leave the message on

<v Speaker 2>the answering machine and then she answers it, and so

<v Speaker 2>you like, Ga is so excited talk to her, and

<v Speaker 2>she tells Linda like I'm gonna call you in a

<v Speaker 2>few days when I'm out of we have Is that okay?

<v Speaker 3>And Linda says okay. So I feel like she's so

<v Speaker 3>excited because she.

<v Speaker 2>Just loves Linda, I know. So once she gets out,

<v Speaker 2>she's working at a retail store and her mom is

<v Speaker 2>being really judgmental about everything she does.

<v Speaker 3>It's like she's such a bitch. I know.

<v Speaker 2>Her mom asked her to move in with her and

<v Speaker 2>she says no, and I'm proud of her. She's like,

<v Speaker 2>I'm really trying to be the best that I can.

<v Speaker 2>And then she gets dizzy and has a fever and

<v Speaker 2>passes out, so they take her to the hospital and

<v Speaker 2>then they find out that she has AIDS, and AIDS

<v Speaker 2>was like new, like they didn't know that much about

<v Speaker 2>it at this time yet. And basically she has anemonia

<v Speaker 2>which was caused because she has AIDS, which is makes

<v Speaker 2>your immune system like very low. And they were like, well,

<v Speaker 2>we can get rid of the ammonia, but we can't

<v Speaker 2>get rid of AIDS, like you're just gonna have this,

<v Speaker 2>And she's like, how did I get it? And they're like,

<v Speaker 2>we don't know for sure, but we see higher instant

<v Speaker 2>since instances and intravenous drug users and yeah, there's no

<v Speaker 2>way to get rid of it. So it's a fucking

<v Speaker 2>death sentence. So it's really sad. She was finally like

<v Speaker 2>getting better and she was feeling so positive because she

<v Speaker 2>was going to be able to talk to Linda. So

<v Speaker 2>when she tells TJ, he's so sad, and she tells

<v Speaker 2>him that she thinks there's a reason for everything and

<v Speaker 2>that God has a plan for her, but it's just

<v Speaker 2>not in this life. And then we see that her

<v Speaker 2>mom is telling TJ that she can't take her to

<v Speaker 2>her house because her husband is afraid to have her

<v Speaker 2>there because of the AIDS, and it's just another example

<v Speaker 2>of her mom choosing a man or choosing like her

<v Speaker 2>life over her daughters.

<v Speaker 3>And it's like, she's such a bitch. That's literally what

<v Speaker 3>I wrote.

<v Speaker 1>She's such a bitch.

<v Speaker 2>And then the mom puts her up in a hotel

<v Speaker 2>and it's not even like a fancy hotel.

<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like a hotel where people go and

<v Speaker 3>do drugs. And I'm like, why would.

<v Speaker 1>You put WoT.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah in this type of hotel? Like this is more

<v Speaker 2>attempting for her, And then she goes to see Linda,

<v Speaker 2>and she looks so sick and she tells Linda she

<v Speaker 2>can't stay long and Linda says, so sad. Linda says,

<v Speaker 2>I thought we would have more time and she says

<v Speaker 2>not today, and Linda's like it's okay, because we have

<v Speaker 2>all the time in the world. And it's so sad

<v Speaker 2>because she doesn't know that she's literally dying.

<v Speaker 3>Like they don't have time.

<v Speaker 2>And Linda's like, so, like what are you doing now,

<v Speaker 2>Like what are your plans? And she's like, oh, I

<v Speaker 2>might go back to school and maybe like have some kids.

<v Speaker 2>And Linda's like, oh, are you like straight now, like

<v Speaker 2>are you like a gonna dat a man?

<v Speaker 3>And she's like you don't need a husband to have kids? Yeah, yeah,

<v Speaker 3>I love her.

<v Speaker 2>And then she said you were the one who always

<v Speaker 2>had my heart, you know, And she said, I know.

<v Speaker 2>So sad. Then she gives her these journals that she's

<v Speaker 2>been keeping, like a long time, she's been writing journals,

<v Speaker 2>and she's like, will you hold onto these for me?

<v Speaker 2>And she's like you can read them if you want to,

<v Speaker 2>and Linda's like, I don't want to read them, and

<v Speaker 2>she's like, no, I want you to read them, like

<v Speaker 2>maybe you can make sense of them.

<v Speaker 3>I never could. Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>And also it's because she fucking knows she's dying and

<v Speaker 2>it's so sad, but she frames it as just hold

<v Speaker 2>on to him for a little bit, you know. And

<v Speaker 2>then Linda asked if she'll see her again, and she's like,

<v Speaker 2>do you want to.

<v Speaker 3>See me again?

<v Speaker 2>And she's like yeah, And Linda says she wants to

<v Speaker 2>get a house at the beach in the summer and

<v Speaker 2>to give their relationship another chance, and Gia says that

<v Speaker 2>she would like that too, and Gia says she has

<v Speaker 2>to go, and as she leaves, she tells her you

<v Speaker 2>were the one, the only one, and you were amazing,

<v Speaker 2>and they're both crying as she leaves, and then we

<v Speaker 2>see Gia go to a homeless camp to score some

<v Speaker 2>drugs with money she had saved. So I think that

<v Speaker 2>I think that we're supposed to understand that basically she

<v Speaker 2>wants to overdose on purpose. Yeah, Like she's like, I'm

<v Speaker 2>going to get high one last time to die because

<v Speaker 2>I know I'm going to die anyway, I might as

<v Speaker 2>well go out this way. But because men are fucking evil,

<v Speaker 2>instead they rape her, and so I don't even think

<v Speaker 2>she gets any of the drugs and she gets raped

<v Speaker 2>and then goes to the hospital and her mom comes

<v Speaker 2>to visit her and finally says she'll take her home,

<v Speaker 2>and then we see her spending time with her mom

<v Speaker 2>at home. While she's near the end, like she looks

<v Speaker 2>so sick. She's like lost hair, and she has like

<v Speaker 2>the lesions and stuff on her face and body, and

<v Speaker 2>she wanted to make a video about drugs, like she

<v Speaker 2>told TJ that she wanted to make like a PSA video,

<v Speaker 2>like after school video for kids about like how they

<v Speaker 2>don't need to do drugs and blah blah blah, but

<v Speaker 2>she ended up dying before they ever got the money

<v Speaker 2>for the camera. And at the end, she's telling her

<v Speaker 2>mom that same thing that they used to say when

<v Speaker 2>she was little. She's like telling her mom, you do

<v Speaker 2>be the prettiest, prettiest girl whatever. And then she asked

<v Speaker 2>her mom if she forgives her and she says, oh, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>of course, honey, and she says good because I forgive

<v Speaker 2>you too. And I like that they showed that because like,

<v Speaker 2>I don't think the mom knew how to react, but

<v Speaker 2>I think maybe she's realizing that she did some things

<v Speaker 2>that are wrong, and then all of a sudden, we

<v Speaker 2>see that there's so much blood on the bed and

<v Speaker 2>the mom runs to get the nurse, and then we

<v Speaker 2>find out that she died that day, and so that

<v Speaker 2>was kind of how they like.

<v Speaker 3>Wrapped it up.

<v Speaker 2>We see people in like these big hazmat suits because

<v Speaker 2>it's like they didn't know, they didn't.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it could be trance how people could get it.

<v Speaker 2>And so the people come in these hazmat suits to

<v Speaker 2>remove her body, and then we see like her basically

<v Speaker 2>like it's like her spirit right, like stand up and

<v Speaker 2>she's her regular beautiful self again and she walks away

<v Speaker 2>because she's like walking into the afterlife. So it's really sad,

<v Speaker 2>but I feel like, I don't know, I don't want

<v Speaker 2>to say it's like a rite of passage to see

<v Speaker 2>this movie, but I kind of feel like it is,

<v Speaker 2>because I feel like it's a really important movie, especially like.

<v Speaker 3>I Mean to be made in nineteen ninety eight.

<v Speaker 2>It's because it was an HBO movie, so it wasn't

<v Speaker 2>like in theaters, but like they did not shy away

<v Speaker 2>from her queerness, and they did not shy away from

<v Speaker 2>like the realities of HIV and AIDS. But I think

<v Speaker 2>if it had been made, I don't know. I feel like,

<v Speaker 2>if it was like a big box office movie, I

<v Speaker 2>feel like they might have in the nineties tried to

<v Speaker 2>hide the gay part to try to make her seem

<v Speaker 2>somehow more sympathetic.

<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I feel like that it was like

<v Speaker 3>a thing. So it's so sad.

<v Speaker 2>It's an extra tragic lesbian story because it is a

<v Speaker 2>real person story on like lost and Delirious, where we

<v Speaker 2>were like, it's okay, it's not real.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not real, like you know.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so uh now I got distracted because I got

<v Speaker 3>too sad.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, due to the subject matter of this movie

<v Speaker 2>and the relationship to someone's real life story, we felt

<v Speaker 2>it would be inappropriate to do a munch Merge murder. Instead,

<v Speaker 2>we wanted to give our key takeaways from the film. Yeah, so,

<v Speaker 2>and we kind of talked about some of them. But

<v Speaker 2>do you have any key takeaways that you want to discuss.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like I agree. Since it wasn't a

<v Speaker 1>box like office movie, they definitely would have cut a

<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff out. I think they would have been like, okay,

<v Speaker 1>obviously showing like the portion of her being like addicted

<v Speaker 1>to drugs and stuff. But I think the importance of

<v Speaker 1>it too is like, even though we watched these movies

<v Speaker 1>obviously some of them are like very gay and others

<v Speaker 1>are like we have to read between the lines, I

<v Speaker 1>feel like it's just one of those like important stories.

<v Speaker 1>Not every story is happy and people live the perfect life.

<v Speaker 1>Like yes, she was queer, but she dealt with very

<v Speaker 1>real things that everybody deals with. Well some more than others,

<v Speaker 1>you know, but it's just so sad. And I agree

<v Speaker 1>it sort of is like almost like I write a

<v Speaker 1>passage to watch this movie. I feel like it's very important.

<v Speaker 1>It's something that people weren't talking about even in the nineties, so.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it yeah.

<v Speaker 2>I also I put that I like that this film

<v Speaker 2>shows how complicated addiction can be.

<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that.

<v Speaker 2>I like that it shows how a person being an

<v Speaker 2>addict affects so many other people, not just the addict,

<v Speaker 2>Like it shows her relationship with Linda is really like

<v Speaker 2>ruined because of her addiction. And it's so sad because

<v Speaker 2>she like obviously loved Linda so much and then Linda

<v Speaker 2>wanted to be with her, but then it's like the

<v Speaker 2>addiction like it took over and Also it, I said,

<v Speaker 2>it shows that even when someone seems to have everything,

<v Speaker 2>they can be suffering really deeply, and it humanizes addiction

<v Speaker 2>and it is really heartbreaking to see herself disrupt like

<v Speaker 2>this person that it's like she could have had everything,

<v Speaker 2>Like she was like so beautiful and famous and rich,

<v Speaker 2>you know, and so I don't know I had. Those

<v Speaker 2>were my key takeaways. I also thought, just, yeah, I

<v Speaker 2>don't know what it would be like to have been

<v Speaker 2>an adult during the early days of the A It's epidemic. Yeah,

<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you see interviews with a lot

<v Speaker 2>of older gay people, it's like they like lost like

<v Speaker 2>half their friends, so sad. So anyway, it's like a

<v Speaker 2>really sad episode.

<v Speaker 1>It is very sad.

<v Speaker 3>I really want to talk about it.

<v Speaker 2>I was like when we first met, we were like,

<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I loved yeah, and.

<v Speaker 3>Then we're like, wait, yeah, so sad. Why are we

<v Speaker 3>bonding over this tragic movie?

<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it was really well made, and I think

<v Speaker 2>that they did. I think that if she really did

<v Speaker 2>want to do some sort of like a movie to

<v Speaker 2>help kids not do drugs, I think that making this

<v Speaker 2>kind of homage to her was done really well because

<v Speaker 2>it didn't shy away from the mistakes that she made,

<v Speaker 2>and it showed like the really bad things that can happen.

<v Speaker 2>But also, like I said, like it humanizes her, like

<v Speaker 2>you still see her as a person and a person

<v Speaker 2>and that you're rooting for.

<v Speaker 3>AnyWho. So what would you rate this movie?

<v Speaker 1>I think we're both gonna have the same rating. It's

<v Speaker 1>a five out of five cherries.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

<v Speaker 1>I'm like, there's even though I hate dead movies, it's

<v Speaker 1>it's too good to not it is so good. Yeah.

<v Speaker 2>Always also on a positive note, always anything with Angelina Joli.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I first of all, she's so beautiful.

<v Speaker 2>Like I know, there was like an era in the

<v Speaker 2>early two thousands where it was like every straight woman

<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, my woman crush is Andy,

<v Speaker 2>Like I would go gay for her, blah blah blah.

<v Speaker 3>And I always thought that was really annoying.

<v Speaker 2>But I she's so beautiful, Like she get it. I understand,

<v Speaker 2>Like she's just so pretty. And the thing is that

<v Speaker 2>she's also not one of those women that like she's

<v Speaker 2>just really pretty, so she gets rolls.

<v Speaker 3>She's such a good actress.

<v Speaker 2>She is, and I feel like she acted her ass

<v Speaker 2>off in this movie and another movie that I was

<v Speaker 2>so moved just by her acting without her even saying anything,

<v Speaker 2>just like her facial expressions.

<v Speaker 3>Have you seen the Changeling? Yes, I have, I've got.

<v Speaker 3>She's such a good action.

<v Speaker 1>She is like, oh my god, and she's actually she's

<v Speaker 1>She has been an advocate for human rights for a

<v Speaker 1>very long time, and I feel like she is one

<v Speaker 1>of the few celebrities that actually like uses her money

<v Speaker 1>to help and not just be like, oh my god,

<v Speaker 1>I have all this money, fuck everybody else.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm so glad she's not with Brad Pitt

<v Speaker 2>anymore because he was a user. Well hate Brad Pitt,

<v Speaker 2>not that I ever really watched any of his movies.

<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were my thing, But now I

<v Speaker 2>definitely don't watch any of his movies.

<v Speaker 3>I'm like, fuck that guy exactly. Why was I literally

<v Speaker 3>gonna say he was?

<v Speaker 1>Like fuck that?

<v Speaker 3>I hate him?

<v Speaker 1>She sucks.

<v Speaker 3>I think that sucks. Yes, But you know how I

<v Speaker 3>love Apple TV.

<v Speaker 2>But they keep trying to Every time I watch something,

<v Speaker 2>they're like, do you want to watch did I tell

<v Speaker 2>you this the one or something?

<v Speaker 1>It's something oh that movie with him? Yeah, yeah, I'm like.

<v Speaker 3>Stop trying to show I hate him.

<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're trying to like get you to watch this.

<v Speaker 3>He's just trying to make Brad Pitt happen. He's not

<v Speaker 3>gonna help. It has been now, he's not.

<v Speaker 2>People don't even know who Brad Pitt is anymore, Like

<v Speaker 2>young people.

<v Speaker 3>I really feel like that.

<v Speaker 2>Like I watch, like, I don't know, I watch a

<v Speaker 2>TikTok and somebody was like when I was your age,

<v Speaker 2>telling their daughter like Brad Pitt was like the guy

<v Speaker 2>everybody liked, and she's like, who's that?

<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, he deserves to not.

<v Speaker 1>Be Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, We are here with another installment of What's

<v Speaker 1>Up with the head Rows? Yeah, this one's crazy.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I saw this.

<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll talk about it. I'll read you the thing

<v Speaker 2>first before I tell you, before we get into that. Yeah. Okay,

<v Speaker 2>So this is an am I the asshole from a

<v Speaker 2>straight man.

<v Speaker 3>So probably you're I would say.

<v Speaker 2>So times, you're the assholest likely, So it says am

<v Speaker 2>I the asshole for admitting I might not have been

<v Speaker 2>attracted to my wife if i'd met her in high

<v Speaker 2>school when she was obese and I was a dumb ass.

<v Speaker 2>Advice needed thirty four male. I met my wife Jordan

<v Speaker 2>thirty three female in college. She gave birth to our

<v Speaker 2>daughter almost a year ago, and it's given rise to so.

<v Speaker 1>Sorry I, excellents, Jordan.

<v Speaker 3>Oh it's Jordan.

<v Speaker 1>Yes. I was like, I know. You stopped for a

<v Speaker 1>second and I was like because I was like, yeah,

<v Speaker 1>Jordan or Horam, I don't know.

<v Speaker 3>I was like, what is the name?

<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

<v Speaker 3>Okay, her name is Jordan.

<v Speaker 2>So she gave birth to our daughter almost a year ago,

<v Speaker 2>and it's given rise to a lot of her old insecurities.

<v Speaker 2>When I met Jordan, she was tiny and fit. She

<v Speaker 2>ate extremely healthy, ran half marathons and worked out twice

<v Speaker 2>a day. Typically I thought she was a bit obsessive,

<v Speaker 2>but she said she genuinely enjoyed working out and eating healthy.

<v Speaker 2>About a year in two US dating, Jordan told me

<v Speaker 2>she'd been morbidly obese as a kid and as a

<v Speaker 2>young teen. Her dad passed away when she was little

<v Speaker 2>and she turned to food for comfort. She said her

<v Speaker 2>self esteem was low and the bullying was severe, and

<v Speaker 2>this inspired her to lose the weight. She also told

<v Speaker 2>me that part of the reason she's so committed to

<v Speaker 2>her fitness is because she doesn't want to slip back

<v Speaker 2>into obesity. For our entire relationship, Jordan kept her small

<v Speaker 2>frame and remained committed to her fitness. She obviously gained

<v Speaker 2>weight during pregnancy and her body looked different after she

<v Speaker 2>gave birth. I told her she looked great and that's

<v Speaker 2>totally normal, but it really bothered Jordan. She's currently exercising

<v Speaker 2>twice a day, complains that she can't lose the baby

<v Speaker 2>fat and asked me if she looks the same as

<v Speaker 2>she did before getting pregnant. I've told her she looks

<v Speaker 2>great and she's being way too hard on herself, but

<v Speaker 2>she's obsessed with her body right now, I say, I

<v Speaker 2>sat Jordan down over the weekend and told her she

<v Speaker 2>should talk to someone because her focus on weight doesn't

<v Speaker 2>seem healthy. Jordan got upset and said, I can say

<v Speaker 2>I can say that all I want, but I care

<v Speaker 2>how her body looks. She also said she feels a

<v Speaker 2>ton of pressure to stay small, so I'll be attracted

<v Speaker 2>to her. I was completely taken aback by this and

<v Speaker 2>asked why she felt that way. She said that when

<v Speaker 2>we were in college, I always commented on how small

<v Speaker 2>she was and talked about how I loved being able

<v Speaker 2>to lift her up so easily. She said that all

<v Speaker 2>of her girlfriends, all of my girlfriends before her, were skinny,

<v Speaker 2>so I clearly have a type. Jordan then said that

<v Speaker 2>there's no way I would have liked her if we'd

<v Speaker 2>met when when she was in high school and morbidly obese.

<v Speaker 2>To be honest, her last comment really resonated with me.

<v Speaker 2>I was admittedly shallow and a dumbass in high school.

<v Speaker 2>I told her that she might be right, but that's

<v Speaker 2>a reflection of me and not her. I told Jordan

<v Speaker 2>that I love her more than anything, and she became

<v Speaker 2>my best friend over the years, so I'd be attracted

<v Speaker 2>to her no matter what she weighed. Jordan thanked me

<v Speaker 2>for my honesty, but said my comments confirmed her worst fears.

<v Speaker 2>She told me not to worry, but she's been sad

<v Speaker 2>and distant ever since. I feel horrible for my comments

<v Speaker 2>in college and for confirming her fears. I could have lied,

<v Speaker 2>but I think she wouldn't have believed me, and I

<v Speaker 2>didn't want to invalidate her feelings because she was. She

<v Speaker 2>has a point that my high school self was pretty shallow.

<v Speaker 2>I'm not proud of it, but it's the truth. I

<v Speaker 2>the asshole for being honest with her. Any advice would

<v Speaker 2>be appreciated. Okay, this is not the one I thought

<v Speaker 2>it was, so I maybe have I would say, less

<v Speaker 2>strong thoughts than the one that I grow so fun

<v Speaker 2>to do. It's really hard because she and I can

<v Speaker 2>relate to. This has so many insecurities about her body

<v Speaker 2>and I something terrible that I used to do and

<v Speaker 2>I have not on this since I have matured, is like, yeah,

<v Speaker 2>I would like see someone that was like really big,

<v Speaker 2>and I would be like, I would like ask my wife,

<v Speaker 2>is that what I look like? Like? What?

<v Speaker 3>That's so mean?

<v Speaker 2>Because then I'm making fun of someone else to try

<v Speaker 2>to make myself feel better. But this is like fucked

<v Speaker 2>up things that like I would have in my mind.

<v Speaker 2>And also, yeah, I could see my self asking something

<v Speaker 2>like that, like would you be it's giving? Would you

<v Speaker 2>be attracted to me if I was a worm? But

<v Speaker 2>no stream, but like would you.

<v Speaker 3>Still thave me if I was a worm?

<v Speaker 2>It is hard though, because it feels like she was

<v Speaker 2>like really letting her insecurities like get to her so

<v Speaker 2>much that she like wanted him to say something that

<v Speaker 2>she could be upset about. Yeah, and it's like she

<v Speaker 2>baited him into it and then he did. But I

<v Speaker 2>feel that he did a good job by being like

<v Speaker 2>I was. I was an asshole and call in.

<v Speaker 1>High school and high school in itself is like who

<v Speaker 1>is a perfect person in high school? Like yeah, everybody

<v Speaker 1>is like a different version unless you still say the

<v Speaker 1>same version that you were, hopefully like a person. Yeah,

<v Speaker 1>but if you were like, oh, I only cared about looks,

<v Speaker 1>I only cared about that. I mean, I feel like

<v Speaker 1>that is that's on track for a high school boy.

<v Speaker 1>So it's like you know what I mean. It's different

<v Speaker 1>if she was saying like now and he's still like, no,

<v Speaker 1>I'm attractive in Chell, like I only care about looks,

<v Speaker 1>and I still feel that way, you know, Yeah, But

<v Speaker 1>I feel like he was doing his best to be honest.

<v Speaker 2>I think it's hard because it's like her own shallowness

<v Speaker 2>about herself. Like I have said this before, I am

<v Speaker 2>very vain. I want my wife to think that I

<v Speaker 2>am the prettiest girl she's ever seen, and like, I

<v Speaker 2>know that there are celebrities and there are people in

<v Speaker 2>real life that are hotter than me.

<v Speaker 3>But she I don't want her ever say that. She

<v Speaker 3>but you say that, yeah.

<v Speaker 2>And so I could see her being like, Okay, So

<v Speaker 2>him saying I was shallow in high school means that

<v Speaker 2>he doesn't think I'm attractive now and he only liked

<v Speaker 2>me because of our relationship that has grown. So that

<v Speaker 2>means that I am fat and ugly and.

<v Speaker 1>Only worthy of love if I'm small.

<v Speaker 2>She's also equating being fat with being unattractive, which is

<v Speaker 2>her own issues from growing up and probably being bullied,

<v Speaker 2>and also the things that you get as a person,

<v Speaker 2>especially as a girl growing up, like you hear like

<v Speaker 2>the comments from like family, friends, yeah always, and just

<v Speaker 2>in general, like my god, those things stick with people forever.

<v Speaker 2>Like I think you know I talked about it's like

<v Speaker 2>crazy to me because I always felt like because I

<v Speaker 2>was like a bigger kid, I felt like alienated, like

<v Speaker 2>I was the only one that had those types of

<v Speaker 2>family experiences. But I have met so many people that

<v Speaker 2>had those same things, and whether or not they are skinny,

<v Speaker 2>like the I can't think straight how the moms were like, oh,

<v Speaker 2>you need to watch your weight.

<v Speaker 3>I'm like, they're all skinny.

<v Speaker 1>She's just like, I had to take your dress down

<v Speaker 1>two inches, that's how it should be, and I'm like

<v Speaker 1>two inches from one yes, Oh my god.

<v Speaker 2>Literally, So I can see why she would get upset

<v Speaker 2>because this seems like something that I would have been

<v Speaker 2>upset about, like eight to ten years ago.

<v Speaker 3>I would have done what she did.

<v Speaker 2>And twist his words to mean that he thinks that

<v Speaker 2>she is unattractive.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, still, even though.

<v Speaker 2>He's saying when I was in high school, I was

<v Speaker 2>an asshole blah blah blah. And I think that he

<v Speaker 2>is trying so hard to not hurt her feelings and

<v Speaker 2>also to like help her because it seems like she

<v Speaker 2>is like depressed about her weight, and so it's like

<v Speaker 2>he's trying to help her, but it's such a weird,

<v Speaker 2>hard and touchy subjects.

<v Speaker 3>Like it's such a hard.

<v Speaker 2>And touchy subject, like if if when I was bigger,

<v Speaker 2>my wife mentioned something about my weight, I would have

<v Speaker 2>flipped the fuck out on her. Yeah, And there were

<v Speaker 2>also times when we were both bigger where we would

<v Speaker 2>like have like issues related to us being tired all

<v Speaker 2>the time, blah blah blah, and we knew it was

<v Speaker 2>because we were both like technically obese, but we weren't

<v Speaker 2>going to like say that to each other, you know.

<v Speaker 2>And it's like there were times when like you kind

<v Speaker 2>of want to be like, hey, maybe you want to

<v Speaker 2>try this like weight lost thing with me, but you

<v Speaker 2>also it's like you never want to accidentally offend them.

<v Speaker 3>Said.

<v Speaker 1>It's like a hard like it's touch so.

<v Speaker 3>Hard and it's probably extra hard.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this man has ever struggled with

<v Speaker 2>his weight, but it seems like he hasn't because he

<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to understand that. Whereas, like in a lesbian relationship,

<v Speaker 2>especially where both partners have had like ups and downs

<v Speaker 2>with weight, I think it's easier a little bit to

<v Speaker 2>be like to understand where that line is and not

<v Speaker 2>accidentally offend each other because it's like, you know how

<v Speaker 2>we are with our like body image.

<v Speaker 3>So point is, I don't think.

<v Speaker 2>He's the asshole, and that's crazy because usually I'm like,

<v Speaker 2>oh man, you.

<v Speaker 1>Know what the heteroes were like, Oh yeah, the man's

<v Speaker 1>the asshole for sure, but I don't think he is.

<v Speaker 2>I think that the wife really needs therapy to learn

<v Speaker 2>to love herself outside of what her body looks like,

<v Speaker 2>and maybe that involves, you know, being more active. Like

<v Speaker 2>she said that she liked to work out and eat

<v Speaker 2>healthy when she was younger, but did she ever really

<v Speaker 2>like it or was she like making herself do it.

<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but if she did like it, maybe

<v Speaker 2>getting back into that will help her, because it seems

<v Speaker 2>to me like she is.

<v Speaker 1>Well she said, well, he said that she was like

<v Speaker 1>obsessively working out and like doing all these things, but

<v Speaker 1>she still wasn't able to lose the baby fat. But

<v Speaker 1>like the thing is, too your body does change after

<v Speaker 1>you give birth, not that like obviously we don't have kids,

<v Speaker 1>but like in general, you know, like that's usually what happens.

<v Speaker 1>And I feel like you, I agree, she needs that therapy,

<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that like her having her kid

<v Speaker 1>forced her to see like, Okay, my body is going

<v Speaker 1>to change as I get older, as I do these things,

<v Speaker 1>you know, And it doesn't mean that like you have

<v Speaker 1>to be literally so small your entire life. I know

<v Speaker 1>there's some people like that. That's but everybody is different.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's I mean a lot of people.

<v Speaker 2>There are some people that like stay tiny even though

<v Speaker 2>they have after.

<v Speaker 3>They give birth, but a lot of people don't.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's fine, But yeah, I think that she

<v Speaker 2>really needs therapy. I think especially because they have a

<v Speaker 2>child now, and I, oh, yeah, my fear is always

<v Speaker 2>like passing on that negativity about yourself to your child.

<v Speaker 2>And actually I talk about this all the time, which

<v Speaker 2>I probably shouldn't because I'm not a parent, but I

<v Speaker 2>just I it makes me so as a former child.

<v Speaker 3>Okay, I you are right to your opinion, Okay.

<v Speaker 2>And I hated hearing my mom talk about how big

<v Speaker 2>her thighs were and how ugly she thought she was,

<v Speaker 2>because then I thought that I was ugly and that

<v Speaker 2>my I always felt like I was too big or

<v Speaker 2>like my boobs were too the saggy or whatever, because

<v Speaker 2>I just shared her insecurities because I literally.

<v Speaker 3>Like you're hearing, I was like born from her, you know,

<v Speaker 3>and I.

<v Speaker 2>Just don't want her to pass on those things to

<v Speaker 2>this child and them to have those types of issues.

<v Speaker 2>So she really needs to get some some therapy and

<v Speaker 2>do some self work.

<v Speaker 3>I agree to not pass that to the kid.

<v Speaker 1>A rare moment when the man is not an asshole.

<v Speaker 1>I know. I don't think she's the asshole, but she

<v Speaker 1>does need therapy. She does uh that help.

<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm glad we picked this one because we're

<v Speaker 2>not We're not going.

<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Sometimes they're not in the wrong.

<v Speaker 2>Like men are.

<v Speaker 1>Okay sometimes times.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we're gonna do one little queer trivia each yeah,

<v Speaker 2>oh yes, okay, so, oh my gosh, okay. In which

<v Speaker 2>TV show was Bella Ramsey's breakout performance? I think I

<v Speaker 2>know this a Game of Thrones, be his Dark Materials,

<v Speaker 2>see the Last of Us or d Hilda.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's hard because we're saying her their breakout role,

<v Speaker 1>and I want to say it has to be the

<v Speaker 1>Last of Us because that's where they're really popular with

<v Speaker 1>Pedro Pascal.

<v Speaker 2>Is it?

<v Speaker 1>Because if it's the Game of Thrones, I know they

<v Speaker 1>start in Game of Thrones, but that can't be No,

<v Speaker 1>I think that there's more people knew them after the

<v Speaker 1>last of us, for sure, me because I didn't.

<v Speaker 3>We didn't watch.

<v Speaker 1>I never watched.

<v Speaker 2>But I know that because it was such a popular

<v Speaker 2>show and they were on it. I think they're counting

<v Speaker 2>that as her breakout, their breakout because people knew of them.

<v Speaker 1>You know what?

<v Speaker 3>That makes sense?

<v Speaker 2>I guess all right, I will just I got that

<v Speaker 2>one wrong, Okay, Okay, ask me one.

<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna go for the middle. Okay, which type

<v Speaker 1>of animal same sex couple raised a baby together inspiring

<v Speaker 1>the children's book and Tango Makes Three? Is it a

<v Speaker 1>C horses, b otters, C bears, or D penguins? I

<v Speaker 1>don't know. I was gonna say penguins.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't finish. I know.

<v Speaker 2>I Well, now I feel like this might be throwing

<v Speaker 2>me off because I assumed that it was penguins because

<v Speaker 2>I know that there are gay man penguins.

<v Speaker 3>But now I'm wondering if it's something else. But I'm

<v Speaker 3>gonna go with penguins.

<v Speaker 1>You were correct, yes.

<v Speaker 3>Okay, do you well? I don't know. You didn't really

<v Speaker 3>watch Parks and rec.

<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't. I see episodes, but I never like

<v Speaker 1>got into.

<v Speaker 2>Okay, you got to watch the whole thing. Well, but

<v Speaker 2>it works and rec and like one of the first episodes,

<v Speaker 2>Amy Poehler's character like married these two penguins in like

<v Speaker 2>this cute marriage ceremony, but then she found out after

<v Speaker 2>that it was two boy penguins. So then all of

<v Speaker 2>these like right wing people were like mad at her

<v Speaker 2>and were like, she can't work for the government.

<v Speaker 3>You have to annul the marriage like day and then

<v Speaker 3>but then like.

<v Speaker 2>The gay club the Bulge like invited her and she

<v Speaker 2>was having so much fun and she's like, anyway, that's

<v Speaker 2>what I thought of.

<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, gay penguins because the penguins and.

<v Speaker 2>You were right, Yeah, okay, so this was really fun,

<v Speaker 2>even though there were sad parts.

<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So thank you so much for tuning in too.

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