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We're queer, and we're diving deep into all things lesbian.

We're your hosts, Caitlin and Angelina. Get ready for some

Sapphix serotonin. On today's episode, we are recapping and reviewing

Cheryl Danie's nineteen ninety six film The Watermelon Woman.

Speaker 1: Okay, so this movie's from the nineties and has many

scenes and photos from the thirties and forties. What is

your favorite decade for fashion?

Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I guess it really depends, but I

feel like it's the nineties. And I don't know if

it's because I was a child in the nineties, so

like a lot of the people that I thought were

really cool, like the cool older girls were like wearing

the most nineties things, like the spice girls with like

the big platforms and like the baby doll dresses. Then

I also love like the nineties, like floral dresses that

are like kind of long with like combat boots, and

I like like the grunge stuff too. Yeah, I like

the nineties, and then like late nineties we had a

lot of the little like chokers, yeah, and little butterfly clips.

Those are going into the early two thousands, but it

was the late nineties. So anyway, what's.

Speaker 1: Here is I feel like the nineties is definitely very

obviously iconic and everyone sort of like gets their fashion

from that, which is why everything is like coming back now,

and especially like the early two thousands. I definitely would

have to say the nineties, but I also do like

the seventies look okay, you know, like it's hard to

pick a decade, but if I had to say those,

i'd say seventies.

Speaker 2: And nineties most likely. Yeah, I like seventies too, I

just don't feel like.

Speaker 1: I like it even though I don't dress, Like, yeah,

I don't know.

Speaker 2: I like it looking at it, but not obviously yes,

Like I have a friend, the one that owns the store,

and oh yeah, she dresses so seventies and it's so

cute and it looks so cute on her does, but

it doesn't look it doesn't look like I don't know,

it's not a good look for me in my opinion. Okay,

but it looks really cute on her. I think, so,

do you have a hot take or a burning desire

about this movie?

Speaker 1: Okay, so I thought I had a hot take, but

I feel like, yeah, you know what, I'll go with

my hot take. I really wanted Cheryl and Diana to

be together, but Diana turned out to be, like, you know,

just not the person for Cheryl. But I really wanted

them to be together because I think they're both hot

and I like them.

Speaker 2: I wanted them to be together. But you know that's okay,

that's so funny, because uh, this is gonna be old

news by the time this comes out. But that's how

I felt about Meghan and Hailey from the Altai. We

do like, they're both so hot they should be together.

And I know that Dana and Pilar are also hot,

but Dana I don't like, and I don't know Pi

was like nice, but I don't know she was really.

Speaker 1: Comparently now that we see them, and I'm like, Okay,

I like Haley and Pillar together.

Speaker 2: The way that Pillar handled Hailey literally having sex with

somebody else and falling in love with someone else.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my heart Honestly.

Speaker 2: I don't know how she I think I would I

would crash out.

Speaker 1: I literally would need to be like committed genuinely.

Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that was really I'm proud.

Speaker 1: Of her, me too, go hers see, she's she she

did a lot of growth. I think, yeah, yes, we're like,

go good for you.

Speaker 2: But yes, I just got distracted by Megan's hotness, and

I was like, oh, Megan hot, Haley beautiful together, perfuse

they were. But yeah, okay, so I'm trying to read

my writing, girl, I wrote, Oh, okay, I wrote, I

didn't really like Diana. She I knew you would. Yeah,

she was kind of creepy and giving a spoiled rich

white girl, And I said Tamara was right about her.

Speaker 1: Okay, well, but also maybe that should have been my

hot tache because I didn't really like I know, obviously

like Tamara was there. I just didn't really like her

attitude towards Cheryl because it felt like she was such

a hater and she wanted to like bring her down.

So that altogether was like, I don't like you, Tamara,

I don't hater.

Speaker 2: And me was like, I see where you're coming from. Also,

I watched this movie a long time ago. Yeah, and

I really didn't like Diana at that time, and I

thought that I couldn't remember why, and I was telling

my wife when we watched it, I was like, remember,

Diana like runs off at the end and just like

leaves Cheryl with the mess. But they didn't show that

this time. When I watched it, it just didn't we're

not together anymore or we're nothing right.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like after they had sex again.

Speaker 2: And thenecifically say she like moved away and left her.

Did it?

Speaker 1: No? I thought she meant like she physically left because

she Oh.

Speaker 2: No, I thought for some reason I made up that

in the end Diana like moves away to a.

Speaker 1: Different place and you gave her the ending that she

didn't get up.

Speaker 2: Apparently that's not what happened. But I still didn't really

like her. I do think she's really beautiful. I like

that Guenevere Turner is an actual gay and yeah, actual

like from lesbian that has been around and has been

making gay account You go fish. I mean I've never

seen the fish because I could never find it on anything.

It's Dooby. I just know her has Gabby devout from

the L word.

Speaker 1: Yes, it was like, oh, I think every time she

mentions the l word or me took a shot.

Speaker 2: I know, I'm like this whatever.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: So also earlier in non podcast conversation, we were talking

about jello shots, and I just have to tell you

the story because I think it's funny. When I still

drank alcohol but I was vegan. We were in New

Orleans and my dad bought six jello shots because he

was going to take two. He wanted me to take too,

and my wife to take two, and we were like,

we're vegan, we don't eat jello. It has gelatin in it.

And so he took all six jello shots and he

was so.

Speaker 3: Okay, we'll see that was And I felt so bad

because I was like, sorry, I'm not gonna like, I'm

not gonna We're not gonna.

Speaker 2: Break that because you bought six yellow So anyway, that's

all I think. I want to think of jelo shots.

I think of my thought being like I'm not all

I was like, oh wow, Secretly that's what he wanted.

Probably he's like, oh no, and now I have to

drink you guys. He's like, oo so silly. Okay, So yeah,

I guess that was my That was my hot take

for many hot takees. Yeah, but uh yeah, those were

my thoughts on it. Next we will take a little break,

but when we come back, we're gonna go over the film.

So grab a little snacky and stay tuned. Or take

a jello shot. Oh yes, that's fine too if you're

not vegan or do vegan jella.

Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to but I'm a Lesbian. This week

we are discussing The Watermelon Woman, a Sapphig film that

deals with the intersectionality of race, under and sexuality.

Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so I really like this movie. I well,

I shouldn't tell you that I really like it yet

because now you know that my rating might be high.

But my ratings are always kind of high, and I

guess thatpt for Maggie Nanny. Yeah, but yeah, I hadn't

seen this movie in a long time. I saw it

like maybe like eight years ago or something. So yeah,

it's good. I like it. So basically I don't Okay,

I used to live in Pennsylvania and this is in Pennsylvania,

but I don't know a lot about Pennsylvania because I

think that the side that they're on is the opposite side,

and Pennsylvania is a very big state. Have you seen it,

like on a mass it's big, not California, not California size,

but it's still pretty. It's pretty big for something that's

like on the East. It's like really big. And so

they it starts were in Britain mar or maur, I

don't know how you pronounce it, Pennsylvania. And they're at

like a super nineties wedding, but that was just a

normal wedding at the time because it was the nineties.

And we see Cheryl and she's a videographer and she's

working with her friend Tamra and at some point they

make a reference to Go Fish. Yes, was it a

reference to the movie that I've never seen. I'm guessing,

but if you're a don is in it? But did

it come out around the same time? I believe Go Fish,

I want to say, and don't.

Speaker 1: I'm even wrong.

Speaker 2: Actually I share.

Speaker 1: This apparently these are like two of my favorite movies,

and I'm like, what year did this come out?

Speaker 2: Anyways, I want to say Go Fish came out before?

Okay The Watermelon Woman. We're being fact checked. Okay, yeah,

I thought it was interesting. That's that they mentioned it.

So Cheryl is I I put they are lesbians, so

I think I must that's Sarah Lesbians. And so Cheryl

is making a film about black women. So she's been

looking up old films and in this film called Plantation

Memories that's from like the thirties, she sees a character

named Elsie who She's like, oh my god, she's so beautiful.

I want to know, like who is the actress that

plays this person? And she's just listed as Watermelon Woman,

like she's not listed as her like her actual name names. Yeah,

And so she's like, wow, I need to find out

like who she is. I need to find out all

about her. So that is what I guess. It's kind

of meta because it's like a film within a film.

So like we're watching the movie Watermelon Woman, which is

about Cheryl making a movie about about the Watermelon Woman,

so kind of cool. And so then the we see

Jeryl and Tamera at a video store because they worked there,

and I really miss video stores, and I had to

say that, did you ever go to a video store? Yeah?

We had Blockbuster. I'm like, yeah, I do remember going

to Blockbuster.

Speaker 1: Okay, it was I only remember for a couple years

because then obviously they closed all of them down. Yeah,

but we did go and I used to love it

and it was so yeah in I don't think.

Speaker 2: I don't know if they had these at like Blockbuster

in Hollywood video, but at like the smaller video stores,

like the one they worked at, they had like a

porn section, but it was like behind a curtain. I

don't remember. I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember, kind of like peaking worry okay,

but see that's obviously probably the I think. I think

when I went, I was probably.

Speaker 2: Really really little because I was like ten, so I

was like, what is it? And then and then when

we figured out what it was, if someone would go

in there, we were like, oh, that man's getting porn. No,

now I wish to remember. Maybe my sister will ask her.

I'm like, did you ever see the weren't curtain back there?

Did you remember any of that? Yeah? There was. I

used to listen to my favorite Murder I don't listen

to them anymore, but I love me. Don't cancel me.

If there's any Murder reinos on here, I'm sorry. I

stopped listening to them. They made too many vegan jokes

and I'm a vegan, so I'm mad and listening to them.

But I listened to them for like five years, but

there was I always remember. Georgia talked about how one

time her and her sister snuck into like the porn

section when they were kids, and before their dad like

found them and pulled them out, they only saw the

front of one video and he was called naked with

shoes on. Oh my god, that sounds like a really

bad I was like, naked girls with like big like

hip hop shoes or whatever was like very eighties. Oh

my god, So it just makes me laugh. Naked with

shoes on. And then also one time when I was young,

when I was like eighteen or nineteen, I went to

the like sex store or whatever. The one movie that

I saw, like when we first walked in, and I

was still at that age where I was like this

is so And then I had to go back to

that store and buy a strap on by myself because

my ex girlfriend wouldn't buy it even though she was

the one that wanted to use it. Wow, So I

had to go to power and I was so embarrassed

because this was before you could just buy straps on

one I'm gonna ship to So I gonna go to Diamond,

Adult World, Oh my god. Yeah. Anyway, the film that

I saw that was like at the front was called

Harry and Scary. So these are things I always think of.

I think of Harry and Harry and Scary. Oh my god.

It was I'm afraid to ask what Harry and Scared.

O's okay.

Speaker 1: That's why I was like, I'm gonna fright to ask

if it was a man on Harry and Scary, Oh

my god.

Speaker 2: I mean I would have remembered it, but not as fondly.

I don't know. So anyway, they work at a video

store and I thought that was really cool. And so

then they Tamar is talking while they're working. She's talking

about her girlfriend and she's like, Cheryl, you should go

on a double date with me and my girlfriend, which

I can't remember what her girlfriend Stacey Stacy. I wanted

to say Vicky. But that was that was yeah, that

was that was incredibly true adventure of two two girls.

Speaker 1: You have it.

Speaker 2: So she's like, oh, yeah, like Stacey has a friend, right,

And it was really confusing because they do go on

this d and I don't want to be rude, but

the actress that plays the d is supposed to have

gone to school with like Tamra and Stacy or one

of them. But she looks like ten years older than

Stacy and Tamra. She looked like someone's mom. So maybe

it's the way she was dressed. I think maybe because

my wife was like, who's that Is that somebody's mom?

And I was like, okay, I thought that too, but

I was I don't know. I also was like, is

she a famous actress? And that's why they put her

in there even though she no.

Speaker 1: I think that maybe they're just trying to like make

her see yeah, like she was she.

Speaker 2: Was dressed like old timey she was, yeah, Which, now

that I think of it, I'm like, was she purposely

dressed old timey because Cheryl like is making this film

about old time an old timey movie star? Like did

they somehow mention that because she's like dressed very like

Billie Holiday like this?

Speaker 1: No, but that's why I think like they were they.

I think they were basically thinking that she would be

a good fit for her, okay, you know, and that's

just like her own personality.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So then the girl I don't remember what, I

don't remember her her name is, but she's not a

main character. It doesn't matter. So that girl the day

gets up and sings and she's like all excited, like

she's like me, She's like, I'm actually a really good singer,

are you guys? But you sing better than her sings?

And then she sings, she sings, well, I don't know

who sings this mini Yes, okay, she is Maya Rudolph's mom.

And also this song that she sings the venue, Yeah,

it's so high, but I don't know. This is a

deep cut, but maybe some lesbians will remember this. There

was a game that I loved called Extreme Beach Volleyball

in the early two thousands, and the point was that

the girls were in skimpy bikinis and they played volleyball

and their boobs bounced. But I just really liked it,

I swear because I was picking out outfits for them,

and when you like won, those are so fun. Yeah,

you can pick out different bikinis. But I had to

like sneak it because my dad had it for like

probably a creepy reason because it was like rated ma a,

And I'm like, why is it rated? I may just

because because the boobs are boobies that are bouncing like

nothing else happened, So anyway, I knew it was like

for grown ups, so I would sneak it. Anyway. That's

where I was introduced to the song because it was

in it. Oh okay, when they were like bouncing around.

It was like, that's a really strange I don't know.

That is so strange actually okay, yeah, I don't know.

It was my favorite, and so it's kind of embarrassing

because she's like not a good singer and everybody's like, oh,

why did you do that? But she was living her

best life. So and then the next day we see

Cheryl going about and interviewing people about the Watermelon Woman, like, hey,

do you know who the Watermelon Woman is? Like blah

blah blah, and everyone seems to know a little bit

about her. So I'm like, oh, she's like kind of

more famous than I thought. But it's also like local,

like she yes, one person is like, oh yeah, she

was like from this area, right, And so it's so

funny also because now you could probably google stuff and

find more stuff out. But at this point you'll see

throughout the movie like she has to interview people face

to face, just like random people, and she also has

to go to these like archives and like the fine stuff. Yes,

but you know what, probably somebody had to do that

to put it on Google, especially I don't know where

Google gets the information, especially from really old stuff. Somebody

had to put it into the Internet at some point.

And so she goes to her mom's house because she's like,

my mom is old, she probably don't remember that was

something about this, And her mom recognizes her from clubs

and she would sing at the clubs. I was a

little confused because I feel like they kind of hinted

that they were like gay clubs, but I was like,

is her mom not is her mom gay? Or are

they just clubs where everybody hangs out? But then they

happen to be a lot of gay people there because

later I think we do find out that some of

the clubs she went to were gay.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think her mom recognizes her from the movies.

But then she also like knows because Cheryl says some

of her like family, like her mom's friends were in

the family, which is like meaning.

Speaker 2: That they are in the gay community.

Speaker 1: So that's how I feel like her mom just has

like this knowledge, you know, and she's like I would know,

And so that's where she like starts her search, you know.

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. And so then the next

day she's Cheryl's working back at the video store job

and she meets Guenevere Turner slash Gabby Devo slash Diana,

and Diana keeps looking at Cheryl very sexually.

Speaker 1: She's like, all these domb films. I know why.

Speaker 2: I was like, go go ahead, damn girl, Okay, And

then then we cut to Tamra's mom something about oh,

Tamra's mom gave Cheryl a card, or gave Tamra a

card to give to Cheryl. I can't remember. That is

about a guy that is a film historian. He's gay,

and it's I think specifically black films. It's called race films.

So she's like, this is great because this way I

can find out hopefully more about this a local elusive legend,

the Watermelon Woman. So she's looking for more info about her.

Then we see Diana at the front of the store

and she's gonna be like checked out, but it's like

ha ha, they're checking each other out. Yeah, and then

there's like a new girl and she Cheryl has to

like teach her how to how to check her out

or what the new girl says something like, oh, why

are you teaching me, like how how a customer picks

up a clerk or something. So it's like one of

those things. It kind of reminds me of Maggie and Annie,

where it was like we can see that, like you

like each other, like that type of thing. Okay, So

then later we see, uh, they're at like a fruit stand,

like a fruit truck, and there's like kind of like

a long line, and Cheryl is in the line, but

she sees at the front, Diana is there and she's

getting some fruit and she's with another like a stud stem.

And so if we didn't know she was gay from

the way she was like flirting with yeah, because she

said something. I didn't write it down, but I was like,

she said something about like I don't like Carrie because

she's so pale and skinny. I like my women with

a little meat on their bone.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I was just like, I thought it's funny because to me,

Cheryl is skinny. Yeah. I was like, whatever, I guess

she's not as skinny as baby Carrie because I know

to see' spasic was really really skinny on that. But anyway.

I yeah, I forgot that she had said that because

I was like, oh, okay, I like women like this

and so uh so basically, uh, we know she's gay. Now.

We later cut to Cheryl and Tamra at the library

and Cheryl is like, I'm trying to check out all

these books that might contain water Melon woman, and then

I think Tarma is like, I'm in a hurry because

I'm trying to go to get to my girlfriend something

like that, and she's like, why don't you just ask

the librarian? Yeah, and so she waits in line to

ask the librarian and he's like not that helpful.

Speaker 1: I know, They're like, what are you even here for?

You're not having with anything.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, this guy's not very nice. And

so he did give her info on this director that

directed I think she directed the Plantation Memories movie. Her

name is Martha Page, which I mean, I feel like

it's racist because when she asked about any of the

black people, he didn't know anything. But he's like, oh,

I know about that that white lady. Okay. So she's like, okay,

well I can kind of go from there. So then

we cut to Cheryl's mom's friend Shirley, who is a

gay and I everyone calls each other sister in this yeah.

So that's where like the family thinks. She's like, you're

a sister. Yeah. And then when they at some point

they go to this like lesbian center and all of

them are like, oh, hey, sister, blah blah blah. I

thought they were all like actually knew each other, but

I think they didn't really know each other, especially at

the like history center, lesbian history center that they go to.

They just were like, oh, she's also a lesbian. So

I don't know, maybe I should start doing that.

Speaker 1: But that's like James Charles to me, I.

Speaker 2: Always think you're like sister, sister. Oh yes, no, I'll

do that. I won't do it. It's not it's not

a good fit for me. It doesn't roll off the tongue.

So anyway, Shirley's like, yeah, I knew a watermelon woman.

Her name is Fay Richards, and she's saying for all

of us stone butchers. So we're like, oh, she was

like she must be yeah, she was a little bit gay. Yeah,

so she had to be rightly gay. And so I

was like she was a felm lesbian and then Shirley

talks about all the clubs back in the day in

the thirties and forties, and Fay would hang out there

a lot with Martha, the White director, and Sureley heard

that Martha was really like not a nice person. And

Shirley has a picture of Fay, and basically I feel

like we're kind of confirming, like, oh, okay, she was

like queer. Yeah. And so they show some like vintage

lesbian photos like on the screen, and I love that

because I love vintage lesbians. I mean, I love present

day lesbians, but it's just something so different about Yeah,

we're going to at some point talk about my favorite

oh I think my favorite lesbian book, which was made

into a movie slash like sort of mini series Tipping

the Velvet, vintage lesbians all about it. So anyway, they

show the pictures that made me happy. Back at the

video store, Tam asked Cheryl about Evet. That was her name.

The thing. I don't know why I couldn't remember her

name at first, but yeah, okay, and she's like yeah,

basically like she wants you. And Cheryl's like, I was like,

I don't want I don't want her interested, And so

then we find out that tam Okay I gave her

a nickname. I don't think they ever call her tam,

but in my notes I wrote tam because I think

it was shorter anyway, So my friend tam so I

was like, apparently Tamra is ordering porn on customers accounts,

and so that's how she's like being sneaky and getting stuff.

And I guess she ordered a bunch of porn on

Diana's account. And then it's kind of funny and awkward

because like, uh, of course Diana comes in right after.

The boss was like, oh, can you call Diana blah

blah blah and tell her that we don't have like big,

big black it was something. It was very specifically a

black I want to say, black men porn. And so

then Diana shows up and then the manager guy that's

like the he's also he's a black man, and I

feel like he was like, oh you like these? He's like,

I was like, oh, this is so awkward, and she

kind of just like went along with this.

Speaker 3: She said She's like, yes, I did order that, thank you,

thank you, and she took the stuff with her and

then Cheryl went to like explain like oh no, like sorry,

that happened.

Speaker 2: Like this is sometimes we order things on other people's

accounts blah blah blah. And she's like, well, I guess

they're gonna have to come over to get them back. Yeah,

she's like come to my house. Yeah, so I mean

she does go to her house, Yeah she does. Okay.

This has always been my dream to have like a big,

lofty like say artists loft, so open and beautiful. There

was a movie. I don't remember that much about it,

but I was really obsessed with it when I was

like thirteen. It's called It Goes Down, and it has

Karen Colkin. Uh he lived in like a cool artist

loss like that, and I was like, oh, this is

what I want in my life anyway. So I really

liked it that she had this cool house, apartment whatever.

And so they're drinking wine and Diana is like, I

we should have talked at the food truck the fruit

truck the other day, and Cheryl's like, uh, your girlfriend

was giving me death stairs and she's like that's not

my girlfriend. And I was like okay. She's like she's

like I'm single and ready dumbingle She's like, that's why

I invited you over. Yeah, and so she's like, do you

want to stay for dinner and movies? I thought they

were going to watch the port. They like, yeah, you

guys ordered me, And so Diana comes off strong af

and then at some point Cheryl is like, oh, you're cute,

and I was like, that's weird. You like ruined the vibe.

She's like, you're so cute. Yeah, but I was like okay,

And anyway, then they have a sex scene. I said,

they show bush love it. Okay.

Speaker 1: I know you said you hated the tongue, but personally,

when I first saw it, like younger like me, I

was like, oh my god, her tongue piercing is so cool.

Speaker 2: I love it. Was like that's so nineties. Yeah, that's

why I liked it.

Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I want my tongue peers,

but I don't have my tongue, did you ever? No?

I don't because I got my cousin got his tongue

peers and then his mouth got really swollen.

Speaker 2: He couldn't eat, and he took it out.

Speaker 1: And I was like, really afraid, but I got everything

else here.

Speaker 2: Mine is my tongue. I don't know why I'm still

afraid of that. I don't know. I had my tongue

pass in three spots. I had like that you total

ones on the side, and then I had the middle one.

I thought they were so cool. But oh, also, just

like my nipple piercings, my wife didn't like them. She

was like, she didn't like my nipple piercings because she said,

well for your tongue, Oh was it bad? Okay, it

was like a long time ago. I got it. The

first time I got it when was when I was sixteen.

I had to like hide it from my dad and

then and then I took it out, and then I

got it redone when I was eighteen, and then I

got the two on the sides when I was nineteen.

I don't remember it being that bad. And then and

then I got a duy when I was twenty one,

and I had to take out all my jewelry to

go to jail and then they closed anyway point being

so there was a lot of tongue stuff and she

had a tongue piercing. And so then later we see

Cheryl saying you're not my usual type. Does she say that?

And that she doesn't sleep around but she did like this,

and so then we cut to a white film critic

like defending the Mammy trope, which I thought was just

like kind of weird, and she is also like Cheryl

tells her like did you know that Faye and Martha

Page were together? And she's like, wow, this isn't astonishing discovery.

Cheryl like she's like what, so that was cool? And

then they do this like double date, so like Tamra

and Stacy and then Cheryl and Diana, and I feel

like you can kind of tell that Tamara doesn't like that.

Y'm not like Stacey doesn't really like cur you either,

but at some point she's like kind of rude because like,

this is why part of why I didn't really like Diana,

because Tama went to like light up like a joint

and share it with her girlfriend and then Diana was like, oh,

I'll take that, and like took it, and I was

like she was gonna give it to her girlfriend first, Rudo,

like why do you think this is about you?

Speaker 1: So I don't know, I feel like that to show

that she's just entitled because she's spoiled.

Speaker 2: Yeah, And so then we also see that like Tamra

does seem kind of like a hater though, because we're

also hear her talking about how she doesn't like their

other coworker, Annie, that is like this little like I

don't know, kind of like goth girl. Yeah, she likes

she's like how she dresses, blah blah blah. And I

was like, wow, she's really judgmental. And she's like, I

don't mean to be mean. I just am not getting laid.

So now I'm taking it out on him.

Speaker 1: I was like, I'm angry, and I was like okay.

Speaker 2: And so it seems like things I'm moving a little

bit fast with Diana and Cheryl, but I don't know

how much time has passed because she's like, oh, yeah,

well I got a key to Diana's house already. Yeah,

which is crazy. I want to know the timeframe. But yeah,

and and Tamra is talking about I think she's talking

about like race issues, but I don't remember exactly what

she said. And then it's awkward because like Diana walks

up while they're like talking, so she probably heard whatever

they were saying. Anyway, at some point, Annie, the girl,

the girl that works at the video store that Tamra

doesn't like, is like we should go to this lesbian

archive called clit in New York and look for info

on the Watermelon Woman. So I like Yanny. She seems

very helpful. Yeah, she's nice. Yeah. So they give her

a box of archived info about black lesbians in Philadelphia

and Cheryl finds a pick of Fay and it says

to June Walker. So she's like, wow, I gotta find June.

And then she gets in trouble for videotaping the bars

there are and so she asks like, well, can you

tell me who donated this stuff, like where did it

come from? And they're like, well, we have to wait.

We had to talk about it with the other members.

And so she's like okay, whatever. And then at some

point I don't think she gets it from there, but

Cheryl gets a Hollywood lesbian book and it mentions Martha

m Fay and how like they were a thing or whatever.

And so then we see that Diana set up an

interview because she's from kind of like a well connected

family and her family knows the pages, so they know

like her Martha is safety and so she has a

sister and her sister is homophobic, and I feel she's

a bad person, and so she's like, my sister's straight.

Speaker 1: She's like, no, none of that.

Speaker 2: Was true, and she was like no, yeas, and so

Cheryl kind of was like, you're wrong. And then Diana

kind of seemed like I feel like she felt like

she didn't want Cheryl to like cause a scene. She

was just like let's just go.

Speaker 1: Like she's like, oh my god, don't like yeah, press

this matter and yeah.

Speaker 2: So that was kind of it was all in her graduation.

And then at some point Cheryl and Diana are like

hanging out together. I don't remember if they had just

had sex or not, but they were like at her

apartment and they did ye. Cheryl's like, I've had so

many black boyfriends. Yeah, and I thought that was really weird.

She's just like Cheryl also thought that was weird. And

so then I feel like Cheryl was like, uh, that's

you're kind of weird. She's like you're a mess, and

she's like what do you mean by that? And I

feel like she got like kind of defustion, and then

Cheryl kind of like left.

Speaker 1: I feel Cheryl was like I can't do this, yeah,

which I don't know.

Speaker 2: I don't think that Diana meant it this way, but

I think they I think that they put it in

for because it was giving like is she like fetishizing

a whole group of people? That was like what it

came off to me like, And that's what I thought

Cheryl was saying when she was like you're a mess.

Speaker 1: Which is also what Stacey and Tamor were also like finding.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And so then later we see Cheryl driving her

car breaks down, she gets racially profiled by these cops

that think she's a guy and that she's a crackhead,

and I was like, what the hell? And so I

like that they showed that. So then we see that

Cheryl got in contact with June Walker. So the people

at CLIP must have actually met and they agreed that

they could tell her the info, and so they gave

her the info to contact June Walker, and so they

talk over the phone a little bit and she's like, oh,

I can bring you like food, and she was like okay.

And I think it was like she puts turkey legs

in her was it like green like something? She puts

it in something and it was like different. And I

feel bad because I don't listen because I don't eat meat.

And I was like, oh, that's Talkyl. I was like, anyway,

so she was going to bring her food and she says, yeah,

like we were together for over twenty years. You want

to come and meet me and we can talk more

about it. I can show you, like any of the

stuff that I have, and you can interview me. You

just need to bring me lunch. So then we see

Cheryl going there to bring her lunch and she's not

answering the door. When Cheryl knocks, the neighbor comes out

and the neighbors like, oh are you Cheryl. You know

June got taken away by an ambulance. She's old and

she has some problems. I don't remember if she had

a stroke or she had something. And she's like, but

she wanted me to give you this package, And so

she gives the package to Cheryl and Cheryl reads the

note that June left her in the package and if

we didn't already gather this, I want. I hate to

break it to you, but Fay is dead. So she

says Martha shouldn't be included in a documentary about Faye's life,

and that Fay paved the wave for lesbians of color,

and then they show a street musician. I'm pretty sure

that the same street musician was in an episode of

The Ltwork. You guys, I really think so, but I've

forgotten to look up her name if anyone knows, Wait

are you talking about? Oh I don't know, I don't

remember the name. Never mind, we'll look we'll look this

up later. I don't know. I really think she was

in an episode of The L Word. Okay, So then

we see Cheryl talking to the camera. Basically she's doing

like a confessional type of vibe, and she's like, yeah,

me and Diana are not together, and also I'm in

a fight with Tamra, my best friend, so life is

a little bit hard. And then they show us part

of the documentary that she made, so that we're seeing

like the film within a film, And so I put

Fay was Faith, So I think her real name was Faith.

And I said, I just put my own opinions in here,

but I was listened the movie. You're like, this is

what I think. I actually think. I was like, it

is so sad that Faye was typecast, but shit like

this still happens. Yeah, And also I want to say

that as this ended, because it ended this way, like

kind of like interspersing the credits with clips of the

film within a film that me and my wife were like,

oh my god, we need to look up if this

is a real person. And then it literally says at

the end, this was not a real person. We couldn't

just waited, you were like hoping for it. Well yeah,

and then you also have to remember that I was

made in the nineties, so people couldn't just google it

was that's a real person. So I thought that was

really interesting. And I also wrote I like how they

entered express the credits with the footage of the documentary.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I like that because it made me want to like

actually read the credits, yeah, versus just going away from it,

you know, being like, all the movie's over. It's yeah, yeah,

so that's the end. Apparently in the version that I

remembered in my mind, there was more to it, but

there is not. There's no scene about how Diana moved away.

They just broke up. That's okay.

Speaker 1: You gave her her ending. You gave her the ending.

I guess that we all wanted.

Speaker 2: But yeah, now I wanted the closure.

Speaker 1: So now the moment you've all been waiting for our

version of fuck, Mary, Kill, Munch, merge, murder. The options

are Cheryl, camera end Diana. So who are your three?

Even though I feel like I can guess who your

three are going to be? But who are your three? Well?

Speaker 2: I know I need to not give away when I

don't like someone, because I was like, I really don't

like Diana.

Speaker 1: I do, And then You're like, I wouldn't that be

a surprise that we're like, actually, we're gonna merge with them.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I would merge with Sheryl.

Speaker 1: We got confirmation that the street musician was in Lward.

Speaker 2: I knew, I knew it news.

Speaker 1: I want to say, I feel like I can guess

who it is, but then I don't also want to

be wrong.

Speaker 2: Was it Betty? Was it part of them? Or no?

She was. There was a scene where they specifically showed

a street musician. She played a street musician again, but

I think she's like a famous musician, and I don't

know if she often plays outside on the street or whatever.

But I remember, because I've obsessed with the L word,

and I remember when the episode came out or whatever,

or one of the recaps I listened to. Someone was

like and this is blah blah blah, and she was

kind of famous blah blah blah. And so when they

showed this person again, I was like, Okay, this is

weird and that it's also a street performer and they

looked alike and it's kind of the same time period

nineteenety six to like two thousand and five, is like

within like you were right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I guess,

I guess I would. Oh, this is like harder than

I was thinking because I'm sill pretty, but she annoyed me,

So okay, I will I will murder her I feel bad,

and then I would merge with Cheryl and I would

munch Tamara. Okay, what would what would you do?

Speaker 1: I would merge with Cheryl, I would murder Tamar, and

then I would munch or no yeah yeah wait did

I say merge with charl Yeah, and then I'd munch Diana.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It was kind of hard because Tamara was kind

of a hater, but I just felt like she was

could yeah.

Speaker 1: I mean okay, some parts of it, yes, yeah yes,

but other parts of it. I just disliked her attitude

towards her friend because she was very like bad vibes Okay, I.

Speaker 2: Know, yeah, Okay, what would you rate this movie out

of five cherries?

Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite movies, so five out

of five cherries.

Speaker 2: By okay, I'm saying four point five okay, only because

I said I didn't like the ending obviously, I'm not

talking about the credits part, but I felt like I

had to make up in my mind what why they

broke up and blah blah blah. I was just left

in the air. Okay, I want and more closure about

what happened. But I did really like it, so yeah,

that's where we are with that. So I'm really glad

to see you gave it such a high rate. I know,

I'm like, it's one of my favorite movies. Yes, one

of my favorite movies, and I'm.

Speaker 1: Like low score, but actually, no, high school.

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History brought to You by Caitlin Yay.

Speaker 2: Okay, I felt like I was doing like a book report.

I haven't been in school in a long time, and

I was like, you're like, this is really good, you guys. Okay.

So I wanted to talk about, Well, it's kind of

a twofer okay, because I think probably because you can

look things up so easily. Now most people know about Stonewall,

but I didn't really know anything about it until I

was like older, and I heard people saying like, you know,

the first Pride was a riot and blah blah blah

about Stonewall, and I was like, was I supposed to

like nobody told me about this when I came out,

I wasn't supposed to hit give me the magically supposed

to be? Yeah? Yeah? And so also was it Derek

Berry on Oh my God drag Race?

Speaker 3: That was like, people didn't diet Stonewall for this, and

they're like, no, diet Stonewall, Derek.

Speaker 2: But I felt like that because I didn't know. So anyway,

so we will talk about what Stonewall is, and then

I also want to talk about the black butch drag

king that was a big part of starting it. So

there's always like who through the first brook book? Rick Rick,

Who through the first punch. That's always something I hear.

So this is interesting. So basically we are going to

talk about the Stonewall Uprising. I think it's important to

mention that the people that were involved do not appreciate

it being called the Stonewall Riots. So that's something that

I learned because I've heard it referred to as both

they don't like the connotation of riot, which I get

so uprising a civil disc obedience. And so in the sixties,

gay bars were constantly raided. Also something that I think

is interesting that I don't know. Maybe some people know,

but I didn't know this until recently. A lot of

gay bars were owned by like the mafia, which I

thought was so interesting. Anyway, they were constantly being raided.

Raid did not rated like how we raped Jerry's. I

realized this sounded like that. So the stone Wall In

was a gay bar in New York City and it

was raided on June twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine. And

I just want to point out that nineteen sixty nine

was not that long ago. My mom was already born,

and I think your parents were already born because they

are a little older too, So they're older than your parents. Okay, yeah,

so yeah that was not that long ago, you know,

Like I mean my mom is like in her fifties. Yeah,

so that's crazy to me. Anyway, So the cops raided

the bar and they arrested thirteen people. Mostly they were

arresting them for dressing in the opposite sexes clothing. So

there was like this rule that you had to have

at least three articles of your own sexes clothing on,

which is so fucking fir Yeah, and also this is

so gross. They would like take them in the bathroom

to like check, like if they were wearing all men's clothing,

they would like go check their sanitarium. Yeah, that's wild.

So the cops were being violent and one of the

people they were being rough with was Stormet de Lavari,

who was a butch drag performer, and a cop hit

her over the head and she hit him back. So

that was like a really big deal. I mean, it

still is a really big deal, right because acub so,

so she shouted the others like why don't you do something,

and then people were like, oh shit, you're right, we

should do So somebody doing yeah, we're just leaving our

sister over here. And so everybody started fighting back, you know,

and so it inspired others to fight back as well,

and it began what is now known as the Stone

Wall Uprising, which is the start of why we now

have Pride events. Right like, the next year, they had

a small Pride Parade event and that kind of started

what we now have, which is you know, totally different, yes,

from what it started as. And so storm May was

one of the first people to start this act of

civil disobedience, along with Marsha P. Johnson, who was a

black trans woman. Storm May was from New Orleans, Louisiana

and was mixed race. New Orleans, Louisiana is like one

of my favorite places. I know this isn't about me,

but since it's my podcast, I can mention if my favorite.

So she grew up being bullied because of being mixed race,

and she made it basically her life's journey to help

other people. So she became known in New York City

as the Guardian of the Lesbians or the Loving Guardian,

and she would kind of just go around the streets

trying to help vulnerable queer people. I saw an interview

where she was saying she would just like check the

jails and see if anyone needed to be bailed out.

She passed away in twenty fourteen, but her legacy will

always live on. And this is just a reminder that

even though it seems like we have so you know,

we have so many more rights now, but they're literally

being taken away or people are trying to take them

away as we speak. So we need to continue to

fight for all members of our community. So this infighting

that we see with people being like, well, I'm okay

with this, but I don't associate with this. No, we're

not doing that. Support all of the members of yeah, exactly, sisterhood,

brother everybody. So I thank you so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: And make sure to tune in next week for a

very special episode. So we have a special guest joining us.

Her name is Shavana Clark and she's the first out

lesbian Miss USA contestant as well, and she actually won

Miss Connecticut. And she will be recapping one of our faves.

Obviously the name of our podcast, But I'm a Cheerleader.

Speaker 2: But obviously you know I'm a Lesbian.

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You need to see it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So we will see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 2: Executive producers for But I'm a Lesbian are Caitlin Beatty

and Angelina Herrera. Produced and mixed by Victoria Shiplett. Creative

direction and video editing provided by Juanita Here York Day.

Music by Stiletto Falsetto.