00:01.19
alexei sayle
I'll stop eating now.

00:02.87
Talal K
Oh, if you want to finish it, take a couple minutes. So I don't mind.

00:06.80
alexei sayle
have we got... Because, again, I haven't got that much to talk about, really. yeah um

00:13.18
alexei sayle
So have you got, like, listeners' questions and stuff?

00:16.15
Talal K
Yeah, let's not worry too much also about doing the full hour, please. It's it's okay.

00:20.23
alexei sayle
Right.

00:21.46
Talal K
If we do 45 or whatever, it's all good. Actually, I did do a call out for questions as well. So let me see what responses you got for that.

00:37.38
Talal K
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Do-do-do-do-do-do.

00:48.46
Talal K
Oh God, B just came home.

00:51.96
alexei sayle
a

00:58.54
Talal K
Hi, B.

00:58.70
alexei sayle
We've got anywhere on a guest yet.

01:02.20
Talal K
We are just about to start, actually.

01:06.94
Talal K
I'm starting to think maybe wouldn't.

01:11.45
Talal K
Well, they've they've they've told us that they they're asking if we can do the 2nd of August. do you remember?

01:16.56
alexei sayle
Right, right.

01:17.98
Talal K
ah you Are you fine with that?

01:19.00
alexei sayle
Yeah, can do that, yeah.

01:19.53
Talal K
Okay, I better let them know now.

01:25.30
Talal K
And I was wondering if we could ask Diane Morgan.

01:29.23
alexei sayle
Yeah, okay.

01:31.41
Talal K
Because I'm not getting, I'm not hearing, Stuart Lee's blanking my emails.

01:39.46
Talal K
And not heard from.

01:45.68
alexei sayle
Kind of Novak.

02:02.32
Talal K
Okay, I've let them know. Ooh, our initials are TNA. I'm going to swap that around. I'll just say Talal. Don't TNA. Okay, how do I see the responses to this story I did?

02:23.71
Talal K
B, how do you see previous stories? What do you want to learn? Like I did a story a few days ago. archive, I think. Because I asked for questions. Who's got a question for Alexa? Yeah, thank you so much. Should I turn the table?

02:41.62
Talal K
Yes. Oh my God, I've got loads of questions for you. All right, all right. I can go through these.

02:46.72
alexei sayle
Good.

02:47.17
Talal K
Okay, great. All right, let's go. We've been recording this whole time. Have you finished your cake, sir?

02:51.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

02:52.34
Talal K
all right, Habibi. It's episode 120.

02:56.09
alexei sayle
Okay, hi everybody. Welcome to episode 120 of the Alexi Sale podcast. I'm sorry we weren't here last week, but frankly we just ah logged on and then we just sat staring each other and had nothing to say to each other.

03:12.00
alexei sayle
Our marriage is reaching an end. I think it's come to that. that point where we've got nothing to say we're just sitting up in bed reading or looking at our ipads

03:20.63
Talal K
Well, yeah, like... That's the sign of a good marriage is that you're comfortable in silence together, isn't it?

03:24.09
alexei sayle
no

03:27.07
Talal K
But it just doesn't make for good podcasting.

03:27.44
alexei sayle
is it it just shade doesn't make for a good podcast no no that's true we're just yeah

03:32.14
Talal K
We're not sitting there seething at each other. Yeah, we had fuck all. I think we'd done some filming earlier that week as well, and we'd both been really busy and the news had been a bit...

03:43.00
Talal K
I know it's all very active, a lot fucking going on, but in a way, at the same time, it's just the same thing over and over.

03:47.94
alexei sayle
and but What can you say? Yeah, it's just evil rampant.

03:49.98
Talal K
And what can you say?

03:51.81
alexei sayle
Yeah.

03:52.66
Talal K
so And I think every month or two, I think it's fine if we take a week off. It lets us recharge the batteries.

03:56.91
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. well

04:01.40
Talal K
and i am sadly, I'll get it out the way here. I'm traveling for Easter next week, so it might we're going to do our best to do a...

04:07.97
alexei sayle
yeah

04:08.78
Talal K
i'll I'll record from up north. I'll take my laptop with me. But if it doesn't come together, I'm really sorry, listeners. We are doing our best.

04:14.31
alexei sayle
yeah well we'll try we'll try our damnedest yeah so yes episode 100 so um what did i did announcement coming on the book of course uh soon big big announcement on my book um

04:16.86
Talal K
But here we are. 120... hundred and twenty

04:34.73
alexei sayle
Although i've got the copy editor's notes back. I haven't really looked at them. But it's saying things like, you know, what's your citation for this? And which art? I don't fucking know. Made it up.

04:47.87
alexei sayle
where and i don't yeah I don't know what going do about that, really, because I've no idea where I got this stuff from, really.

04:48.66
Talal K
Oh no, you need to do footnotes and stuff. Oh no.

04:56.05
Talal K
Shit.

04:57.11
alexei sayle
It's a random, you know, left-wing...

05:00.06
Talal K
Well, it's not an academic book, so you don't need, need, need to do that, do you?

05:03.17
alexei sayle
No, no. no was Maybe, I need to talk it through with my head, really.

05:06.14
Talal K
I guess it just covers covers your ass in case someone tries to sue you or something.

05:12.48
alexei sayle
But, yeah, it's not it's not really that kind of book, really. I don't think anybody should be relying on it for their A-level history, and politics, or whatever.

05:22.43
Talal K
No.

05:25.14
Talal K
ah When you say big announcement coming up,

05:25.81
alexei sayle
kind Well, they win the books.

05:28.41
Talal K
about about your book, it can only be a number, very small number of things, right?

05:30.45
alexei sayle
what's What's called... what the book's going to be called, which and and when it's going to be in that one it's going to be available to buy it.

05:38.92
Talal K
Right.

05:39.69
alexei sayle
That's the announcement, really, what it is.

05:42.30
Talal K
Excite, much excite.

05:43.55
alexei sayle
And also on Sunday, i this along this guy called Richard Sanders, who works for Al Jazeera and Double Down News, he used to work for Channel 4 and BBC and stuff before.

05:58.75
alexei sayle
before the world changed really.

05:58.89
Talal K
He did that.

06:00.33
alexei sayle
Um, and he did, he did the labor files.

06:00.79
Talal K
He did the labor files, right?

06:03.44
alexei sayle
This is probably perhaps his most famous, uh, piece for Al Jazeera, but lots of other things as well. Anyway, it's been his long-term ambition, ah to get me and Miriam Margolis and Michael Rosen in a room and just have us talk.

06:18.93
alexei sayle
So actually that all came together on Sunday at Miriam's, uh, flat and um yeah i think it'd be really interesting i don't i mean don't want to preempt his you know i think he's going to edit it and put it up on on drop site news fairly soon he's asking for titles and um mean no three i mean that

06:25.62
Talal K
wow

06:41.85
alexei sayle
We're all, them i mean, I only know a few words of Yiddish, really, but Michael knows quite a lot, and i think Miriam does, but I quite like the alter kakas, which is, my friend, how he used to say, which is Yiddish for old shit.

06:59.55
alexei sayle
So, anyway, I don't know what, but it's, you know, I think, yeah, it's a really interesting piece of work, and it's also, I mean, both of them, in their way, are both... um You know, people, i mean, they're both, they're motivated by just injustice and by a certain morality and not to support this terrible, um terrible genocidal apartheid, ethnic cleansing state, which, yeah, yeah.

07:29.15
Talal K
Neither to just be quiet about it as well, which is option three.

07:32.87
alexei sayle
And particularly Miriam, because she's such a, so I mean, she's a genuine person. national treasure you know i mean a much abused term but i mean you know she has carved out a space for herself as this kind of lovable kind of um you know, kind of swearing, farting kind of character on Graham Norton and what have you.

07:57.10
Talal K
you

07:57.13
alexei sayle
But she's, you know, she's absolutely unbending about, you know, the awful, the terribleness, the terrible nature of of Israel, you know. And certainly Michael, i mean, Michael's been through such a lot, really, with you personally, name one way another, but still really...

08:14.06
alexei sayle
i mean he and the I mean, he he takes them on on social media, but they hate him so much, those terrible, terrible Zionists. You know, some of whom, a fair number of whom aren't even Jewish, but, um you know, that he just gets such poison from those people.

08:34.36
Talal K
Yeah. And what is it that, what was that story that happened with his, was there a court case or his book got ripped off or something?

08:35.79
alexei sayle
And, you know,

08:40.83
alexei sayle
his son... Yeah, well, there was a guy called mine there was a guy called...

08:44.10
Talal K
i don't,

08:47.38
alexei sayle
Didn't we talk about this? There was a guy called... Oh, God, I've forgotten his name again. i did I made an effort to remember it as well. He changed... it There was a thing of Jeremy reading...

09:01.16
alexei sayle
um We're All Going on a Bear Hunt to some kids. And he changed the title to We're All Going on a Jew Hunt. And he's one who's in this group called Labour Against Anti-Semitism, most of whom aren't Jewish, although one of them invented a Jewish persona for himself. But... um

09:25.62
alexei sayle
God, I keep forgetting his name.

09:27.64
Talal K
So...

09:27.77
alexei sayle
Bender, what's the one who killed himself? You know, the Michael Rosen one who killed him. No, New Bond. New Bond, yeah. So this was a guy called Pete New Bond.

09:40.48
alexei sayle
And then he was encouraged by Mark Lewis of patron law to sue Michael when he... Michael, you know, correctly objected to this Photoshopping thing.

09:57.26
alexei sayle
And, anyway, New Bond was encouraged Trouble for disciplinary matters, nothing to do with Michael, but he was about to be fired from his university and had also racked up tremendous costs, I think, with Mark Lewis and um killed himself.

10:18.24
alexei sayle
So...

10:18.31
Talal K
Oh, my

10:20.61
alexei sayle
And I think, you know the only person really, you know, he did they these awful monsters like Tracey Ann Oberman and Rachel Riley, they've they've done the they've launched the Peter Newbon Award you know for fighting anti-Semitism, even though Peter Newbon's widow begged them not to.

10:39.59
alexei sayle
and really, as somebody was saying, you Paul Holden was saying, and the only one who really cared about Peter Newbon was Michael Rosen, really. The only one who was really genuinely worried about his,

10:51.13
Talal K
Yes.

10:51.66
alexei sayle
his mental health was the man he was abusing, you know, the man that was the man who was abusing him. And, um, you know, it was just, uh,

11:03.19
Talal K
Wait, so newborn

11:07.16
Talal K
made that altered image of the bear hunt and it's

11:10.41
alexei sayle
yeah.

11:13.48
Talal K
Because you can't give me a straight answer, I have had to Google it while you were talking about all that.

11:13.65
alexei sayle
Michael Rosen. Yeah. Yeah.

11:19.01
Talal K
Newborn changed the image to make it about Corbyn, basically. And that's what the Jew hunt.

11:22.92
alexei sayle
Corbyn is, it was ah it was a shot of Corbyn reading to some kids from Michael Rosen's book, We're Going on a Bear Hunt.

11:23.51
Talal K
Fuck.

11:31.54
alexei sayle
And Newborn changed the title to We're Going on a Jew Hunt. And, you know, saying, you know, this is anti-Semitic. Jeremy Corbyn, all that crap, all those lines.

11:45.65
alexei sayle
Anyway, Michael Rosen then said, you know, this is offensive and anti-Semitic. And then it ended up in a court case, which newborn was about to lose when he killed himself.

11:59.74
Talal K
So, and New Bond was Jewish or not?

12:02.77
alexei sayle
No, no, no.

12:04.18
Talal K
So the the Times of Israel reported on this.

12:07.57
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.

12:10.33
Talal K
And their their way of twisting it is is kind of... Friends and family say Peter New Bond was under pressure after Michael Rosen retweeted image he made mocking ex-Labour head Corbyn.

12:26.39
Talal K
ah And then they said,

12:26.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.

12:29.78
Talal K
Oh, the recent death of a UK Jewish academic.

12:33.11
alexei sayle
Is newborn Jewish?

12:34.97
Talal K
That's what they're saying. Who was remorsefully bullied on social media after being accused of anti-Semitism by Michael Rosen.

12:36.03
alexei sayle
I thought he wasn't.

12:44.38
Talal K
He's being investigated by a coroner. His death was being investigated.

12:50.41
alexei sayle
I didn't know newborn was Jewish.

12:52.36
Talal K
A newborn was suing Rosen for libel after Rosen accused him of...

12:56.01
alexei sayle
Yeah.

12:58.17
Talal K
Right.

13:00.87
alexei sayle
what I mean, and what was Michael Rosen to do? He can't let that stand.

13:11.44
alexei sayle
Um...

13:16.23
alexei sayle
But of course, Mark Lewis is also the one that the Israeli audience member who was ah in the audience at Reginald D.

13:16.44
Talal K
Right.

13:24.37
alexei sayle
Hunter's concert and jumped up and objected.

13:24.79
Talal K
vaginal Yeah, it's all connected, isn't it?

13:27.41
alexei sayle
And if you read the judge's summation of that case where he just really goes after mark Lewis and the campaign against anti-Semitism is really extremely critical in that way.

13:43.52
alexei sayle
I know, you know, no media covered it, really.

13:47.02
Talal K
Yep.

13:48.74
alexei sayle
So anyway, ah but yeah, so but's good that that I mean, that's some of the some of the sort of, as we say in Yiddish, that um Michael Rosen's had to endure over the last few years.

14:00.34
Talal K
So did you just talk about that whole situation with him?

14:03.12
alexei sayle
ah We did, yeah, a bit, yeah, we did a bit, yeah.

14:05.74
Talal K
How's he doing? How's he doing now?

14:07.52
alexei sayle
He's okay. He's good. He seems, you know, because he was obviously, he was also because of COVID, he was in a coma for six weeks. um And um

14:14.64
Talal K
Jesus.

14:18.85
alexei sayle
he seems fine, really. He seems... He's

14:24.85
Talal K
Okay, he's made of...

14:25.12
alexei sayle
a good poet as well, actually, I think. I mean, poet poets and poetry are much both much traduced terms, but I think some of his stuff is really good.

14:39.02
alexei sayle
um Yeah, so anyway, we talked. And that'll be out sometime soon.

14:46.82
Talal K
at some time.

14:49.13
alexei sayle
Yeah. Might be interesting to see if it's out, you know, if it has any... I mean, they I think they both talk more personally, really. I mean, think they've got more things... I mean, a way I was trying to sort of talk geopolitics, really.

15:10.99
Talal K
Here's a poem called Poem by My Cat.

15:15.15
alexei sayle
By Michael Rosen.

15:16.60
Talal K
by Michael Rosen. um Michael is OK, but the trouble with Michael is that when he stands up, he doesn't have a lap.

15:28.27
alexei sayle
ah

15:30.89
alexei sayle
Yes, it was nice. Because he was Children's Laureate at one point.

15:32.86
Talal K
I wish my cat would sit on my lap. He fucking hates being anywhere near me.

15:44.23
alexei sayle
Well, that's not, he's not earning his cat food.

15:51.00
Talal K
ah Kate on...

15:51.05
alexei sayle
Anyway, so that's, that's, that's coming out at some point, uh, quite soon.

15:54.75
Talal K
Yep, keep an eye on that.

15:56.78
alexei sayle
uh, the work Yeah, the war, whatever the hell you call this in the Israeli and United States assault on Iran continues.

16:11.86
Talal K
And Trump keeps saying that they're having talks and then Iran keeps saying, what do you mean?

16:12.24
alexei sayle
I don't know.

16:16.30
Talal K
We've never spoke, we don't speak to him.

16:18.51
alexei sayle
yeah i mean, it seems like, you know, that they didn't expect Iran to...

16:19.03
Talal K
And...

16:25.36
alexei sayle
you know, fight back to this degree. Although Craig Murray, who's somebody who's, I like, had quite a depressing piece, just saying that, you know, this is all priced, you know, this is exactly what they want, really. So I don't know where this is going to go.

16:42.80
alexei sayle
Obviously, they the rest of the world has been despicable as usual, but you know and Israel is taking its opportunities to seize large parts of southern Lebanon.

16:58.77
alexei sayle
And... ah

17:00.41
Talal K
So this is what they want as in they just want it to carry on in perpetuity and create more arms trade and

17:05.65
alexei sayle
I guess so, yeah. I don't know if it... I don't know why I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I have no powers of prognostication on this one, really. I have no... I can't tell you what's going to...

17:16.76
alexei sayle
I mean, certainly people I respect, like Jeffrey Sachs and John Mears, Professor John Mearsheimer and those people are pretty frank that, you know, that the United States is losing, really.

17:28.15
alexei sayle
in um

17:30.71
Talal K
Yeah.

17:30.97
alexei sayle
So I hope that that is the case.

17:34.94
alexei sayle
um you know, I mean, it's because, it's you know, what they're doing, what they're doing to Venezuela, what they're doing to Cuba, they're doing obviously to Gaza and the West Bank, it's it's a fucking litany of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:42.01
Talal K
Yeah.

17:48.70
Talal K
They fucking deserve to have their ass shown a little bit, don't they? as a As Kareem Winters would say, Khaled Winters would say.

18:00.79
Talal K
um Craig Murray also seems certain that the ambulance burnings were a false flag.

18:08.38
alexei sayle
There's a false flag, yeah.

18:10.01
Talal K
And I've seen...

18:10.97
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, I know just they bailed the two people. I mean, I don't know whether that means it's out yeah it's either being satellite by, um you know, Zionists to garner sympathy or, I guess, yeah, Mossad or some intelligence agency. Certainly, they bailed the two people they arrested, two men they arrested, so.

18:36.52
alexei sayle
Be interested see what, if anything, if that's one of those stories that goes away because it's it's an inconvenient truth.

18:45.85
Talal K
And Iran are not known for damaging healthcare care facilities and...

18:45.91
alexei sayle
um

18:50.78
alexei sayle
No, they're not one unlike the Israelis, yeah.

18:53.30
Talal K
this extremist group that claimed responsibility, um as I've seen on social media, especially Loki has been sharing this thing, is that ah they called Palestine the land of Israel instead of the the Zionist entity you know or or Palestine, um which is not language you would expect.

19:08.18
alexei sayle
Yeah.

19:15.06
alexei sayle
And some of the Arabic is just juber is AI generated gibberish, isn't it?

19:19.62
Talal K
So yeah, sussy, as they call it. Sussy. Have you ever heard someone say sussy?

19:24.41
alexei sayle
No.

19:25.91
Talal K
Suspicious.

19:27.06
alexei sayle
All right.

19:27.84
Talal K
That's suss, man.

19:27.93
alexei sayle
Yeah. and The whole our whole thing is extremely, extremely suspicious.

19:29.46
Talal K
a

19:32.83
Talal K
That's suss, bruv.

19:34.11
alexei sayle
But Chris Kirstama says number one priority to make...

19:45.18
alexei sayle
to bloviate about that.

19:47.13
Talal K
about this terrible anti-semitism

19:50.26
alexei sayle
Mm, yeah.

19:53.78
Talal K
yeah interesting and worrying fucking infuriating

19:53.85
alexei sayle
Um...

20:01.05
alexei sayle
yeah Yep, yep, yep, yep. I'm going to be interested to what happens if they try and land troops, how that goes, really. Whether they'll be sacrificing US servicemen for the in the you know in the name of Israel.

20:19.99
Talal K
There doesn't seem to be much support for something like that in America, as far as I can tell.

20:25.50
alexei sayle
no

20:26.42
Talal K
Not like after nine eleven where everyone would throw themselves at um in the way of harm to fight for America.

20:26.49
alexei sayle
no

20:37.08
alexei sayle
Yeah, no, I think there's there's not much appetite in the United States for this whole war, and certainly not for troops. It doesn't mean that Trump... i a Again, I can't...

20:49.56
Talal K
Who knows?

20:52.31
Talal K
Anyway, that would be...

20:52.33
alexei sayle
I can't really. I don't know how... I mean, you can say that Trump is a terrible, terrible person, but what his motivation is, it's hard. I don't know.

21:02.64
alexei sayle
I can't offer any particular insights.

21:05.69
Talal K
um It's...

21:11.64
Talal K
i don't know. If you ask a simpleton like me, it's the motivation is to keep out of jail, keep everyone's minds off the Epstein list and get that third term and keep his billionaire friends happy, you know?

21:20.50
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

21:23.36
alexei sayle
Yep.

21:27.46
Talal K
But that's, it's a very surface level analysis.

21:27.58
alexei sayle
Well, you could be right. Yep. Yep.

21:34.46
Talal K
And yeah, speaking of cats, I don't know. Kate on Instagram asked, are you going to get another cat or is it too soon?

21:40.41
alexei sayle
Oh, thank you, Kate. Yeah, well, I guess we will one day.

21:42.55
Talal K
RIP Wilf, she says.

21:43.08
alexei sayle
Not yet, really. We're still grieving, Will, for any sense. Um... no

21:50.84
alexei sayle
But yeah, well I think one day we feel, I think we feel the loss so greatly that we would just have to get another game.

21:50.90
Talal K
Yeah.

21:57.70
alexei sayle
But his interjections are greatly missed.

22:01.88
Talal K
Yeah,

22:05.14
Talal K
yeah actually, very vocal cats.

22:07.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

22:12.15
Talal K
Oh. Okay, I'm looking at some questions from Instagram here for you. When will we have more Mark's theory and dancing videos? They are actually coming relatively soon.

22:24.06
alexei sayle
Coming soon, yeah.

22:25.56
Talal K
Fingers crossed.

22:27.24
alexei sayle
I've just written the first one, or the first three, as it were. um It's quite difficult to write them, really, to just boil down, you know, a kind of pithy example of Marxism into 20 seconds.

22:38.40
alexei sayle
so

22:38.87
Talal K
Yeah.

22:39.83
alexei sayle
So bear with me. But yeah, we're gonna I think we're going to shoot that.

22:41.14
Talal K
if

22:42.76
alexei sayle
You're away next week, aren't we? but We're going to shoot it in the next week or two.

22:45.87
Talal K
We'll shoot it. We'll shoot that the week after and then I'll get it out pretty quick, pretty quick after we shoot it.

22:49.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.

22:52.50
alexei sayle
Yeah.

22:52.98
Talal K
um Fuck me. Are you happy with the situation in Iran? Is this what you campaigned for? i think that might be a hater asking that. I think, yeah, like you said, is some no one could have expected what Iran have done ah fighting back on this and fuck.

23:08.38
alexei sayle
Now,

23:13.58
alexei sayle
I didn't campaign for this.

23:15.16
Talal K
The worst was it, that curse? May you live in interesting times.

23:20.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:21.03
Talal K
It's like a horrid curse. And here we are. um Are you writing a new novel? Have you got thoughts on that?

23:26.71
alexei sayle
No, it's a kind of memoir.

23:28.28
Talal K
No, but after that?

23:29.72
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, so I'm contracted to write a novel, yeah, so.

23:32.89
Talal K
Really?

23:33.88
alexei sayle
Yeah, mean, it's sort of two-thirds written, really.

23:34.87
Talal K
Oh, shit. Oh,

23:39.13
alexei sayle
So, yes, I mean, yeah.

23:40.25
Talal K
I didn't know that.

23:42.30
alexei sayle
I may be doing another series of sandwiches, but I've been tinkering with that the last couple of weeks since I finished the book.

23:54.14
Talal K
ah

23:57.78
Talal K
Oh, the young ones.

24:01.78
Talal K
Oh, was the I'm not really foreign, you know, speech in the young ones. Taking the piss out of lazy Bernard Manning.

24:14.30
alexei sayle
Not really, no. It was actually, that was a bit, I mean, it was sort of very roughly based on, I think, a bit I did when I was a double act, like in the very early days of of me doing stand-up even before the comedy store.

24:29.85
Talal K
Yeah.

24:30.23
alexei sayle
um So it's just, it's about, it was the sort of idea I had. um can't even remember. it It was just a sort of comic idea about how ah People who pretended to be foreign and exotic, in fact, were from, know, Lancashire or whatever. um so You could get away, you know, it's not the most brilliant of comedic ideas, but back then you could, you know, it was because you doing things for the first time, it seemed brilliantly original.

25:03.19
Talal K
Wasn't that your, yeah. It's so effective. Wasn't that your first episode?

25:10.30
alexei sayle
I think it's the pilot, yeah. So it's quite, I mean, I'm taking a chance.

25:11.90
Talal K
Yeah.

25:13.38
alexei sayle
mean, the the stuff in the pilot is, yeah, it's, um yeah, and it's a sort of, yeah, yeah, it's quite um um ambitious, I think.

25:17.82
Talal K
great twist on your character, like straight away. It's like, okay, we don't know what to expect with this guy ever, basically.

25:26.72
alexei sayle
You know, when you think you did it's the pilot of a series that you open is going to make your name, you know, it's, yeah. Yeah.

25:34.36
Talal K
What does he say? I'm not really foreign, you know. I just do it to make myself seem more interesting. Is that the line?

25:40.82
alexei sayle
something like that i had this idea i don't think it was true but when um the the uh i think it was based on when the prague spring happened in 1968 and i used to drink in these i used to drink hey when the prague spring was when um

25:58.14
Talal K
I don't know about this spring. I don't know about the Prague Spring at all.

26:06.13
alexei sayle
Although Czechoslovakia was still part of the Soviet Empire, a group got into power who were much more liberal, really. And so there was sort of student uprising and the shackles of the Soviet Union were loosened. And then in August, I think it was, I can't remember, but the Russian... Was it Brazenhev? Whoever was in charge of Russia at that point sent in the troops and crushed the hopes and dreams of these people. But I had this idea that there were all these, suddenly all these Czech, young Czech dissidents turned up in the pub.

26:54.81
alexei sayle
other pubs around the pool that I used to drink in and sort of got tremendous sympathy from girls and, you know, people bought them drinks and money because they were, they'd fled from the savage.

27:05.41
Talal K
Wow.

27:07.71
alexei sayle
putant And I was saying that I'd seen some of them in there.

27:08.88
Talal K
Oh.

27:11.29
alexei sayle
That was like Tommy Johnson from Walton Breck Road. They were just scousers who were just pretending to be check dissidents.

27:22.90
alexei sayle
Really, it was Eggy and Mogsy from Bootle, you know, pretending to be checked distance so they get girls um and drink.

27:34.20
Talal K
Great little scam, yeah.

27:35.48
alexei sayle
Yeah, I was convinced that I recognised some of these checked distance who turned up, say, from, you know. So I think that was what was the basis of that bit, really.

27:49.60
Talal K
Very cool, all right.

27:50.78
alexei sayle
Yeah.

27:54.62
Talal K
Nick asks,

27:59.42
Talal K
have you ever been to Israel? I think we've touched on this. You fancied all...

28:02.97
alexei sayle
Yeah, no, I never have, really.

28:04.55
Talal K
Oh, you haven't.

28:05.05
alexei sayle
I mean, I haven't even been to Palestine, really. I haven't been to West Bangkok. I didn't go to Gaza. I've been to Jordan and to Syria. It's the closest I've got.

28:11.86
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fingers crossed, inshallah, one day we will go together and visit a free Palestine.

28:14.59
alexei sayle
No, I think it...

28:19.00
alexei sayle
Yes, that would be nice.

28:21.25
Talal K
that would be great. Which is the book that has had the most impact on you politically? Asks James.

28:31.42
alexei sayle
Well, I suppose in a way, um you know, I mean, when when I was like 16 or something, I was in this Maoist group and we studied we studied the sacred texts, you know, Marx Engels, wages, prices and Lenin, wages, prices and profits, communist manifesto.

28:44.28
Talal K
Yeah.

28:48.46
Talal K
That's the obvious one.

28:49.81
alexei sayle
And I suppose those really... everything in them seemed to be true, really. They're Marx's analysis of the kind of history and economics, really. So, I mean, they those books set how I um think, still think about the world, really. So I think that they were, they they they had the most effect pretty early on. And then, you know, I've talked before about it.

29:22.46
alexei sayle
Novels of Evelyn Moore, novels of Graham Greene. um Probably, as I haven't read Graham Greene in for years, probably not. All that angst about being a Catholic, probably not.

29:36.78
alexei sayle
Doesn't play anymore, I suspect. But anyway, um ah

29:41.78
Talal K
Who's that one? that Who's that one?

29:44.38
alexei sayle
Graham Greene is a,

29:45.40
Talal K
Graham Green.

29:48.50
alexei sayle
Graham Greene was a very, very popular British novelist over many years. He was also, but there was like Evelyn Waugh, he was a convert to Catholicism, which was what you did in the sort of 30s and 40s. You either became a communist or became a Catholic, really. um And there's a lot of wallowing in kind of Catholic guilt and suffering.

30:07.42
Talal K
Right.

30:13.01
alexei sayle
But, the he I mean, I remember... Certainly some of his books seemed amazing. Brighton Rock is one of his most famous ones, which is I thought was stunning when I i read it as a teenager.

30:21.98
Talal K
Yes, i was just looking at that.

30:27.16
alexei sayle
um And then the come also the comedies i mean the comedy, mean, like Our Man and Nirvana, which is very funny. And The Quiet American, really. I mean, as an analysis of,

30:36.70
Talal K
Wow, you've read a bunch of his stuff.

30:37.24
alexei sayle
American imperialism, I think it still carries ah quite a punch, really, and it still is about that certain kind of, um you know, somebody from the United States who thinks they're doing the best for the world by napalming people.

30:59.54
alexei sayle
um kind of nu i mean i'm i a lot of you know of Obviously a lot of those people who enact the United States foreign policy is just evil, but some of them are also deluded. um and ah so um that is I also like a book called, one of his lesser works called Travel With My Aunt, which I used to read read over and over again.

31:22.20
alexei sayle
With

31:23.27
Talal K
Travels with my aunt. Travels with my aunt is made into a movie in 1972.

31:27.48
alexei sayle
and Maggie Smith.

31:29.26
Talal K
Doesn't sound like the most thrilling.

31:30.97
alexei sayle
No.

31:31.26
Talal K
ah The third man I know. that is

31:33.82
alexei sayle
But also, yeah, The Third Man. i mean, that's, in a way, his his greatest contribution to popular culture was he wrote the script for Carol Reeds, The Third Man.

31:36.54
Talal K
i've seen that.

31:41.99
alexei sayle
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

31:43.01
Talal K
Right. And that finishes on the Ferris wheel, doesn't it, at the end?

31:44.95
alexei sayle
Set in thee the Prater in Vienna, yeah.

31:49.78
Talal K
with Orson Welles in the Ferris wheel. Yes, I've seen that.

31:52.98
alexei sayle
Yes, Joseph Carton, Orson Welles, Trevor Howard. Amazing film.

31:55.91
Talal K
That's a good one.

31:57.52
alexei sayle
i'm Incredible. Absolutely incredible film.

31:58.90
Talal K
The comedians.

32:02.42
Talal K
Okay, I'm going to do a little dive on Stump.

32:04.22
alexei sayle
Yeah, Comedians is also watching now. Yeah, about Haiti. It's a again, i an extraordinary piece of work at the time.

32:18.50
Talal K
I've been researching some golden age of radio stuff for a project I'm working on. And you have any thoughts on that? Like I've been listening to some, you know, old school American noir, often set in Havana kind of radio plays. But there's been some really cool...

32:39.29
Talal K
British ones as well, Ray Bradbury series on BBC Radio.

32:46.88
alexei sayle
Um, yeah, I mean, ah I mean, a good.

32:50.30
Talal K
Did you still like that stuff, the radio plays?

32:52.36
alexei sayle
I did. I like a good. um

32:56.25
alexei sayle
good play or a good, good um dramatization of a novel like a while ago. the um

33:07.16
alexei sayle
BBC did Valerie Grossman's war eic War and Fate, which is a sort of... Grossman was a journalist attached to the Soviet armies during the Second World War and wrote these kind of huge, kind of sprawling novel, multi-character novels of...

33:17.95
Talal K
Mm-hmm.

33:25.85
alexei sayle
of you know the battle for stalingrad just the war i've seen you know seen from the soviet know as experienced by ordinary soviet people and um ah ter fund you know i mean radio is very good i think at that you know it's it's something that would take millions and millions and millions and of you know pounds and extras and cgi to render you know can be rendered very simply in a radio studio. I remember that was terrific. I mean, some

33:59.44
alexei sayle
of the comedy, I don't know.

33:59.51
Talal K
Yeah.

34:00.89
alexei sayle
mean, I loved all that stuff when I was a kid, you know, around the horn, the Navy lark. It doesn't really hold up in many ways.

34:11.46
alexei sayle
I don't know. I mean, the goons.

34:13.21
Talal K
No, it's definitely better for the dramatic, the sci-fi, the mysterious stuff.

34:16.28
alexei sayle
Yeah.

34:17.21
Talal K
And that theater of the mind is so powerful.

34:17.21
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

34:19.68
Talal K
I do fucking love it.

34:20.03
alexei sayle
Yeah. I mean, it worked very well at the time, I think, a comedy, but it doesn't it hasn't dated well, I think.

34:28.60
Talal K
there's There is the the the rare exceptions that are just timeless and very smart. You know, the one with...

34:37.63
alexei sayle
Yeah, actually we were watching a very, very detailed, we only watched half of it, we still got the second half to watch about a documentary in Arena, I think, about Orson Welles, and of course his big break was in radio, and he used to travel from studio to studio doing these live recordings in the back of an ambulance, because it could cut through the traffic.

35:00.17
alexei sayle
And, you know, but then look his famous, The Shadow was his famous, you know, it's a I mean, when radio in the United States was still doing drama, it's I guess it's all music now or just lunatics talking. um So, yeah.

35:22.54
Talal K
The War the Worlds was Orson Welles as well, wasn't it?

35:24.55
alexei sayle
ah Yes, and that... You think, how did they get away with this? It's extraordinary.

35:31.51
Talal K
okay ah

35:31.67
alexei sayle
Interesting character. I liked him more actually watching... ah you know You do hear stories of him being very difficult to work with. And again, I mean i would recommend... actually Actually, hey, now, let's revive Film Club and let's do Orson Welles' Touch of Evil. Let's do that.

35:53.17
alexei sayle
Let's do that, shall we?

35:53.40
Talal K
Fuck yes. We're back, baby.

35:55.96
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

35:57.92
Talal K
Orson Welles, Touch of Evil, 1958, American film no noir, my favorite genre, written and directed by Orson, who also stars, wrote the theme tune, sang the theme tune, ah loosely based on Whit Masterson's novel, Badge of Evil, Touch of Evil, with Charlton Heston and Janet Leigh.

36:21.94
alexei sayle
Yeah.

36:24.74
alexei sayle
Marlena Dietrich and Dennis Weaver.

36:30.38
Talal K
And Akeem Tamirov.

36:30.55
alexei sayle
you know in a it's um I mean, I remember, I mean, it's one of those things where I was at home, I think, in Liverpool. I think maybe I was looking after the house because my parents were somewhere else. And touch of evil just came on the telly and I knew nothing about it.

36:45.82
Talal K
Yep.

36:47.15
alexei sayle
And I was so entranced by that fucking movie just to come up, know, in a way that you can't now, but you know, nothing about it, but it is so ambitious, um, from the opening shot all the way through really.

37:05.38
alexei sayle
And, um,

37:07.89
Talal K
Well, that's exciting.

37:08.07
alexei sayle
it's um It's, yeah, it's a masterpiece. I mean, um um I remember it's been just, I was so stunned to be presented with this thing.

37:21.31
Talal K
I'm thrilled to watch this. Can't wait. I'm just looking to see where online it can be found.

37:31.51
Talal K
And it looks like, unfortunately, unless you have ah ulterior alternative methods. It's one of those movies that you're to have to pay £2.49 to watch on basically any of the platforms. Listeners at home, let us know if any of the... ah Terrestrial television streamers ah have it on there for free.

37:54.46
Talal K
If there's anywhere people can watch it for free, leave a comment under the YouTube video of this podcast or on the Patreon. Spread the word.

38:05.62
Talal K
Touch of Evil, 1958. We will watch it. Let's give ourselves two weeks to watch it, Alexei.

38:12.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.

38:14.52
Talal K
and think that's fair.

38:15.76
alexei sayle
Hmm.

38:17.21
Talal K
Okay. Oven. Oven. Oven Return on Instagram asks, what do Talal and Alexei do in their free time? What are their hobbies? ah I'll go first. I like to play board games with my pals.

38:33.17
Talal K
um I like to play some video games when I'm on my own. I'm me and my partner. i love spending time with my partner and doing stuff. just going for walks and stuff. I love castles, going out and looking at castles, learning a bit of history of our great and green, pleasant land. What else? else What's another hobby?

38:57.82
Talal K
Making smoothies I've been getting into lately.

39:00.36
alexei sayle
I mean...

39:01.80
Talal K
Experimenting with the smoothie machine and putting different combinations of stuff in there. That's all I can think of right now. I'm pretty boring.

39:09.90
alexei sayle
Well, that's a lot.

39:11.16
Talal K
Oh, is it? That's enough, yeah?

39:13.05
alexei sayle
think so. And, of course, i on my main preoccupation is Swan Young Sun and Frost, so Soft and Gentle White Crane Ultimate Fist, which is what I spend...

39:27.26
alexei sayle
many of my evenings and my days doing. Actually, haven't done it this week because I'm being well, but... um

39:34.39
Talal K
spend enough You spend more time saying the name of the hobby than the time actually doing the hobby.

39:41.13
alexei sayle
Yeah. um That's going along quite well. I've obviously learned the freehand form, form, if anybody's interested.

39:54.07
alexei sayle
ah so that's But that's also... you know that's a yeah know i've made I've got many good friends in the in the club as well, so that's... We see each other outside of class. um But I think that's... man I used to have all-you-can-eat buffets, but that's kind of... done it's

40:17.66
Talal K
Was that, you considered that a hobby?

40:19.76
alexei sayle
There was a hobby, yeah.

40:21.66
Talal K
And cycling?

40:22.05
alexei sayle
Well, and there was also that... You know, i had that book, Time Out's Top 100 Budget Restaurants, and my my ambition was to eat in every one.

40:28.70
Talal K
Oh.

40:32.15
alexei sayle
And and ah so I would go to a place, and the place that was listed in the book had closed down, and then the place that replaced it had closed down.

40:34.04
Talal K
but

40:38.80
Talal K
Yeah.

40:40.98
alexei sayle
But I would insist on eating there, even if it was now Famous Alistair's.

40:49.80
alexei sayle
But yeah, or you can eat buffet. And just actually just, well... I think, um

41:00.09
alexei sayle
you know, when you see adverts sometimes for ah people looking at houses for sale, it says no time wasters.

41:07.64
Talal K
yeah

41:09.69
alexei sayle
I think me and Linda are the time wasters.

41:09.98
Talal K
Yeah.

41:13.94
alexei sayle
It's like a kind of, it's like we're on holidays, we go and look at houses that we've really no intention of buying. in All over the place, I mean...

41:26.32
alexei sayle
Primrose Hill, Southgate. They're just two of the recent...

41:32.66
Talal K
That's just...

41:35.96
Talal K
That's kind of a fun one. It's good to... ah

41:38.82
alexei sayle
Well, you get to see...

41:39.42
Talal K
Get ideas, doesn't it? You get to get us some ideas. You get to see how other people live.

41:43.44
alexei sayle
Yeah. And Southgate, I mean, it is I think it's too far away the a lot that I mean, it's right at the end of the tube line and lot of the trains don't even go run all the way through. But it's because it's up there is...

41:59.86
alexei sayle
um up there is um since the 70s i think has been you know kind of colonized by greek separats and then more recently i think i guess albanians vulgarians and stuff so it's amazingly exotic like southgate it's full of these just bakeries i mean these incredible bakeries which are just full of i don't know how i mean every single one's got met say shaving head men in

42:08.24
Talal K
Hmm.

42:19.99
Talal K
Yeah.

42:27.38
alexei sayle
tight impossibly tight tracksuits sitting outside smoking um but you know they're full of kids and families and people i maybe's talking Greek and obviously was incredible um pastries and sandwiches and shit like that and those delis and it's just terribly exotic really

42:52.41
Talal K
Looks nice.

42:53.40
alexei sayle
yeah and palmish green is the same

42:54.37
Talal K
Oh, it's got the same tube station as well. It looks the same exterior for Hangar Lane tube.

43:01.86
alexei sayle
Yeah, it was all the same architect at all those tube stations on the Piccadilly line. used to have, ah I've got framed photographs of some of them somewhere.

43:08.72
Talal K
Yeah.

43:09.07
alexei sayle
i think they're in storage.

43:10.62
Talal K
It's quite a common sight, isn't it?

43:10.84
alexei sayle
um

43:12.18
Talal K
Yeah.

43:12.69
alexei sayle
Yeah, they're sort of very space age from the sort of twenties

43:19.58
Talal K
And if you are if you live near Hangalein, if you stand in the middle and talk, it's a per the room is a perfect circle and it's tiled really nicely. So the the reverberations, you can even talk at a really quiet volume and you hear your voice like 16 times in your ears.

43:32.94
alexei sayle
Right. Yeah. That's amazing.

43:39.40
Talal K
It's really cool.

43:39.46
alexei sayle
That's also the Piccadilly line, isn't it?

43:41.98
Talal K
Yes, no, no, it's fucking not.

43:44.32
alexei sayle
Oh.

43:44.68
Talal K
Hangalein is central line.

43:46.19
alexei sayle
Ah, Central Line. Oh, I don't know.

43:47.32
Talal K
Park Royals Piccadilly.

43:47.84
alexei sayle
It might be a different... But all those other certainly all those... Southgate... Um...

43:54.65
Talal K
but they're like outer edge, so maybe they were all built at the same time, these kind of outer stations.

43:54.78
alexei sayle
um

43:57.98
alexei sayle
Yes, there were... Yeah. Um...

44:01.40
Talal K
Hmm.

44:01.98
alexei sayle
very know I mean, it could do with doing up at Tenpike Lane. They're all kind of very sort of space-agey 1930s. All, I think, done by the same architect.

44:17.55
Talal K
I like a lot of nature stuff as well. I love birds and animals and we watched um Attenborough's Wild London last night.

44:28.61
Talal K
You seen that?

44:29.11
alexei sayle
All right. Now,

44:30.97
Talal K
On BBC iPlayer?

44:33.09
alexei sayle
No, I don't really watch.

44:33.46
Talal K
Wild London. He's like here.

44:36.21
alexei sayle
Yes, I go for walk. course, I walk every week on the heath with my friend Oscar when he's in town.

44:39.74
Talal K
Yes.

44:43.29
Talal K
Yes.

44:46.40
Talal K
Enjoy the wildlife out there.

44:49.76
alexei sayle
Yep.

44:50.39
Talal K
Pretty fucking incredible, actually, what's available in London. there' I didn't know there were peregrine falcons in London, apart from the ones that had the the ones in Trafalgar Square that had the man who with the glove on that would call it back.

45:04.40
alexei sayle
Right.

45:04.59
Talal K
but that but there There's wild ones in London. And

45:08.46
alexei sayle
Of course, Thumbsteady is also full of parakeets, which...

45:08.92
Talal K
um

45:11.77
Talal K
and the parakeets get a segment foxes and toads and

45:17.37
Talal K
it get let me look at London in a new light. You know what I mean?

45:20.76
alexei sayle
Good. That's good.

45:21.92
Talal K
It's very nice.

45:24.15
alexei sayle
Apart from that, going to the theatre.

45:24.58
Talal K
Uh...

45:25.73
alexei sayle
I mean, Linda goes theatre. She goes for both of us. And I watch... My other hobby is like watching...

45:35.17
alexei sayle
one or three quarters of a new thing on Netflix or Amazon, new series, then just go and fuck that and just never watching it again.

45:47.40
alexei sayle
There's so many of those things, and everybody's worked so hard to...

45:47.63
Talal K
Uh.

45:52.74
alexei sayle
They've all been in Vancouver for a year, and you just... And it's... I mean, they're on...

45:59.15
alexei sayle
I long for like a really, just a Jason Statham film. You know, just a stupid Jason Statham film. You don't even really, this all these series, I mean, are a lot of them about...

46:11.61
alexei sayle
Yeah, mad as a serial killers and murdering women in really horrible and complicated ways, which I find objectionable.

46:17.97
Talal K
Yeah.

46:19.17
alexei sayle
This one with, um, um, what's her face is made to Tom Cruise.

46:20.43
Talal K
Yeah.

46:25.23
alexei sayle
Um, Dame Helena Kennedy, Nicole Kidman.

46:26.49
Talal K
Nicole Kidman.

46:28.78
alexei sayle
That's right.

46:28.92
Talal K
B, you just watched that. What was that called? I'll cut you out.

46:31.26
alexei sayle
Scar Petter.

46:33.31
Talal K
Petter.

46:34.24
alexei sayle
Scarpetta. It's based on the series of novels by Patricia Cornwell that were very big a few years ago.

46:35.39
Talal K
Scar Petter.

46:41.38
alexei sayle
It's just awful.

46:41.66
Talal K
Right. It's just about the murder of a woman and stuff.

46:45.44
alexei sayle
It's weird. Women being murdered in horrible ways.

46:47.29
Talal K
people are true crime is one of the biggest most popular things and it's a weird form of escapism isn't it i guess just to think about other people getting murdered rather than thinking about yourself getting murdered every time you walk home late at night i do i don't know i don't know what ah the fascination is um i did see uh mind hunters recently and that's it's brilliant yeah it's

46:51.11
alexei sayle
Yeah.

47:00.09
alexei sayle
Yes.

47:08.61
alexei sayle
I like Mind Hunters. That was good. I mean, it was, you know, is was so it wasn't just, um you know, a kind of wallowing in suffering of women. It had more to it than that. I think great central performances by those two actors whose name I can't remember.

47:25.56
Talal K
Got cut off short Look I got loads more questions left But I think we're pretty much out of time here

47:30.48
alexei sayle
Yeah, we've done our regulation hour.

47:34.33
Talal K
Almost We started this call About 10 minutes before we start the recording So I'm counting that 10 minutes towards the hour um But uh

47:35.61
alexei sayle
Almost.

47:40.28
alexei sayle
oh

47:46.75
Talal K
I'll get back to some of these questions. Thanks everyone for sending them in. i think the last 10 minutes of this podcast is questionable content, I'd have to say.

47:57.98
Talal K
um But I'll end with this one. Stephen has... massive bone to pick with you, Alexei. He emails in, C-17 fake news. I'm heartbroken, he says. Alexei is my all-time comedy hero.

48:13.05
Talal K
and they And it also, he shares my passion for military hardware. But I must mention, I'm opposed to any form of military action. Yes, good for you. um However, Alexei got his aircraft recognition completely wrong last week.

48:29.47
Talal K
referring to the C17 as the Galaxy. The Galaxy is the much older C5.

48:33.62
alexei sayle
It's the C5, yeah, I know. C17 is the globe master, I think. I'm sorry, I know. Forgive me, I'm sorry about that.

48:45.53
alexei sayle
I should know better. C5 Galaxy. I think the C5 Galaxy is more impressive looking aircraft.

48:55.93
Talal K
It said it's been performing for 55 years and it's still operational.

48:59.03
alexei sayle
Really, looks very modern.

49:02.77
Talal K
I'm going look at a picture of this because this is all just nonsense words.

49:03.92
alexei sayle
I think unless I'm getting, I'm still getting me C5s and me C17s mixed up.

49:10.61
Talal K
Lockheed. Oh, it's a Lockheed Martin in fucking plane.

49:15.36
alexei sayle
Well, they're all made by some evil corporation. You can't show me a picture, can you, by any chance?

49:18.12
Talal K
Of course.

49:20.86
Talal K
Show you a picture. um

49:22.23
alexei sayle
Yeah.

49:22.78
Talal K
No, that would be pretty hard, but... You're literally sitting at a laptop. You could open a new tab and it's a big chunky monkey of a plane. I'll i'll get one off my phone for you.

49:35.32
Talal K
How about that? um And show you my phone screen.

49:41.39
alexei sayle
What? I'm still doing it. ah Oh, no.

49:46.73
Talal K
Tell her you only got a minute left. We'll let you go in a sec.

49:48.43
alexei sayle
only got a minute or two left.

49:50.55
Talal K
um All right, here it is. your

49:55.46
Talal K
Alexi. That's the galaxy there.

50:00.40
alexei sayle
Right. that's the I think that's the one I don't like. So that's the C5. I think it must be the C17. I think it's more attractive. It's chunkier.

50:12.45
Talal K
Bloody hell. That's a surreal thing to see.

50:18.34
alexei sayle
Yeah, loading

50:19.03
Talal K
Is that what these planes are for? Tell us what's going on there, Alexi.

50:22.74
alexei sayle
it. I can't quite, is that a helicopter? there Well, both the C-17 and the C-5 are live um in their tactical lift aircraft, are they can transport tanks or helicopters armoured fighting vehicles to the back to, you know, near to the battlefield and then land.

50:36.89
Talal K
Right.

50:42.32
alexei sayle
and So they they both, their noses flip up so you can load them through the nose, like the greatest of all, the Antonov 124, of course.

50:53.50
Talal K
Right.

50:57.34
alexei sayle
and But that's, I think, that's why the, um yeah, that's the one I like.

51:01.98
Talal K
the C17.

51:02.11
alexei sayle
That's the C17, is it?

51:02.28
Talal K
Yeah. yeah

51:04.07
alexei sayle
I think that's so elegant. um But I think that's why the... ah Boeing 747 looks the way it did, because originally it was proposed to be a military lift helicopter, so that top deck would be, i might be making this up actually, today but the top deck would be for troops and passengers, and then the rest of it would be a giant cargo hull.

51:24.12
Talal K
Right.

51:34.01
Talal K
Okay.

51:34.13
alexei sayle
Of course, that's one of the casualties of the, there was ah there was a Antonov 224, I think it was, called the Mira, I think it was. It had six engines and it was the biggest aircraft in the world.

51:48.65
alexei sayle
And it was bombed, I think, in the opening days of the Russian invasion of,

51:53.43
Talal K
The world's largest, heaviest and most powerful cargo aircraft designed in the 80s for the Soviet space program. Maximum takeoff weight of 700 tons, six engines could transport 250 tons of cargo.

52:08.60
Talal K
The only completed aircraft was destroyed in 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

52:14.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

52:16.06
Talal K
Fuck me.

52:17.11
alexei sayle
But I think the Antonov, the 124s, which is still pretty huge, the bike bands use them, you know, the Rolling Stones or whatever, would use them to transport their sound equipment.

52:18.68
Talal K
That's humongous.

52:27.23
Talal K
Jesus. Whoa. Right. Okay, on that fucking bombshell. Steven, Alexi, sorry, all right? um But he says...

52:37.76
alexei sayle
ah no I know I've fucked up, I'll do better.

52:40.01
Talal K
You're still the number one podcast. Uh, even after your big bollock, even after this episode, we're number one. Let us know, Steven, uh, follow us on patron.

52:50.01
Talal K
Please go to patrion.com forward slash Alexis L podcast, support the show. Keep us rolling. Keep us rolling in that sweet cash monies, uh, subscribe from as little as three pound a month.

53:01.29
Talal K
And you'll get to see Alexi react to stuff. Our latest one. We did love joy, Napoleonic commode. And, uh,

53:08.55
alexei sayle
20 grand for the palsy laugh joy.

53:10.86
Talal K
We'll try and get another one in ah before next, before Easter. Otherwise, Yes.

53:16.55
alexei sayle
Yes, you should if you're a fan of it, because I say you can see me bring in in bringing bringing a guest a great actor down to my level.

53:16.91
Talal K
Yes.

53:26.97
Talal K
yes

53:27.73
alexei sayle
and My performance, it's me and Ian McShane, and I'm so bad that I'm making him look bad.

53:33.91
Talal K
Well, you know what? Lots of love for for that episode of Lovejoy, actually. In fact, it's worth probably ah quickly just... Here we go. Go to post. Some of the comments under it, they say that you're not that bad.

53:48.44
alexei sayle
Well, let's try cut that's good.

53:48.47
Talal K
Um...

53:50.01
alexei sayle
That's a staring endorsement.

53:52.41
Talal K
I thought the cartoonishness was part of it and fitted in with the story of a 20 grand Kazi and a pint of gin. I thought, we said Sean, Paul said, I thought it was a good performance in context.

54:06.28
Talal K
Alexi suggested Phyllis Logan was married to the butler in Downton Abbey, but she's actually married to Kevin McNally. Another correction.

54:12.38
alexei sayle
right.

54:14.17
Talal K
um How about we do the opening sketch, opening sketch of stuff.

54:14.44
alexei sayle
God, I'm feat of clay. Of course she is.

54:20.12
Talal K
Season one, episode four of AR. I'll have a look at that. Thank you for the suggestion. He sent a YouTube link with it. I love that. um You've out-cockneed.

54:31.82
Talal K
You've out-bad-cockneed Pacino, said Riley. ah And apparently Lovejoy is coming back, maybe.

54:39.11
alexei sayle
Really?

54:40.02
Talal K
The makers of Slow Horses might be making a new Lovejoy. But if you want to watch Alexis L reacts and some other exclusive stuff, go patreon.com forward slash Alexis L podcast. We've got to go. So Alexis say those magic words, please.

54:54.40
alexei sayle
Bye bye.