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The Center for Community and Economic
Development at Michigan State

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University's podcast,
Transforming Tomorrow Together Today

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creates informative episodes in
collaboration with MSU faculty, students,

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community leaders, change makers,
and stakeholders that highlight

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innovative tools, models, policies,
and professional insights to Co create

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sustainable prosperity and more equitable
economies with communities.

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I'm your host, Marys and Brennan,
Assistant Director of the center.

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And on today's episode we are
highlighting a recently developed toolkit

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for identifying reuse markets for
recycled materials in Michigan

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co-authored by my guest.

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The views discussed during this podcast
are those of the guests and do not

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represent the opinions of Michigan State
University,

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the Center for Community and Economic
Development,

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or any affiliated organizations.

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Well, hello, Abby.

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Hello.

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I am so pleased to be able to introduce
Abigail Kerrigan.

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She is a senior research assistant at the
Center for Community and Economic

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Development here at Michigan State
University and recently graduated.

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So, Abby,
can you please tell us a little bit about

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yourself and why you chose to work here
at the Center?

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Yeah.

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So I started back in August of 2025.

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I recently graduated from Michigan State
in December,

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where I studied social relations and
policy through the James Madison program,

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along with some minors in sustainable
agriculture and human geography and

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public health.

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So altogether,
my academic interest have really always

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centered around ways to leverage policy
and community development tools to design

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healthy and regenerative economic systems,
whether it's through urban planning or

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state policy.

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And so really that's why I came to work
here at the center because there's such a

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focus on promoting regeneration and
reducing waste and using resources

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sustainably on a community level.

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That's really dropped me to do some work
here.

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Wow, that is a mouthful.

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You are the future.

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That's so impressive.

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Thank you.

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So now that you've graduated,
you just graduated last semester, correct?

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Yep.

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What's next for you?

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I mean,
I know you've you've also held down a

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part time job in Livingston County and
currently you're looking at applying to

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grad schools, right?

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Yes, that's right.

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So for the past two years or so,
I've also been working with Livingston

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County,
which has just been an amazing experience,

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which is also fed into why I started work
on the circular economy research here.

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We've done a ton of amazing plans
centered around sustainability and

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conservation and even circularity.

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And so I'm really hoping to carry that
forward into my master's education.

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I'm planning on getting a master's in
urban and environmental planning.

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I've gotten a few great offers so far,
but I'm not sure 100% where I'm going to

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go.

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So it's a really exciting time.

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Yes, it is.

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Life is full of transitions,
and this is going to be a huge milestone

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for you.

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So you,
you've mentioned a really critical word

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here, circularity.

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What is circularity?

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Yeah.

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So right now our economy operates on a
very linear model,

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which just means that we take resources
from the earth, extract them,

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then we make products,
consume them and then throw them away.

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So it's really built on this sequence of
extraction, producing and disposing.

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And so it's not working for a few reasons.

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You know, our landfills are filling up.

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We're throwing away the materials that we
have at a really alarming rate.

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Those materials still have a lot of
economic value and so to remediate these

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problems is circularity or a circular
economy instead asks the question of how

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do we design systems where materials
never really become waste in the 1st

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place.

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So it really centers around treating
materials not as disposable,

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but instead as valuable assets that
should stay in use for as long as

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possible through processes like
remanufacturing or repair or recycling,

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composting, etcetera.

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So this is really about the difference
between extractive practices and a linear

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model.

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The take make waste traditional way of
production,

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producing its goods and and materials and
churning it out to a more regenerative

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circular practice that could even be from
the very beginning designing from

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inception for end user responsibility and
so forth.

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Is that correct?

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100% yeah.

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I kind of see it as redesigning the
system so that environmental,

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health and economic activity aren't in
conflict and so that it becomes an

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economically viable way to remain
sustainable and reduce the need for these

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raw materials.

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Can you talk a little bit further than
particularly focus on Livingston County?

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What type of circular activities were you
either researching or focused on helping

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implement within that area?

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Yeah,
so we've been able to do some really cool

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things.

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The first project that I worked on was I
was able to lead an author,

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a sustainable agriculture food system and
rural environments plan for the county,

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which is really just a pretty long
resource and best practice guide for the

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townships and cities and villages within
the county to identify ways to farmland

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or preserve farmland and also create a
more regenerative food system.

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So a huge component of that was
addressing food waste on a community

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scale.

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So there's a lot of circular strategies
in there.

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Our master plan actually has a lot of
conservation focus in it,

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drawing from those strategies within the
sustainable agriculture plan.

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So that's another aspect of
sustainability and regeneration that

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we're focusing on.

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But probably the biggest one right now is
Livingston County is in the process of

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drafting their materials management plan.

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And so that whole thing centers on
reducing landfill dependence,

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connecting end users with recyclable
materials in the county,

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and just finding ways to reduce the
amount of waste that we as a county put

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out.

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That's incredible that what so I know
from working with you that so many of

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these these activities that you've been
focused on are transferable and help

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inform some of the work that we're doing
here.

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So can you tell us a little bit about the
projects at the center that you're also

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focused on related to circularity?

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Yeah, it's been,
it's been really funny actually,

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because I didn't plan it this way,
but my work at the county and my work

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here have been extremely reciprocate,
reciprocally informative.

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And so I've taken what we learned at the
county.

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And one issue that we really had there
was we don't know who the end users for

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recycled materials are in the county.

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It's very hard to find them.

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And so with that coming into the circular
economy research team,

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we decided that it would be a good idea
idea to come up with a toolkit to help

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communities and recyclers identify who
those end users are,

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who those reuse markets are,
and kind of create strategies to make it

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easier to find them and also bolster
their ability to be a reuse market.

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And so making the overall recycling
ecosystem more attractive for producers

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to use recycled materials.

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OK, so you're that was a mouthful.

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You're going to have to tell us a little
bit more here.

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So the tool kit is around identifying
reuse markets for recycled materials in

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Michigan, correct?

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OK,
So what to give us the background on that?

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What was the purpose of the tool kit and
and why was it produced?

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So again,
it's really came from a call from

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community because also at the center,
we've expanded on that issue that we

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identified in Livingston County and we
found that it's not just a Livingston

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County issue, it's an everywhere issue.

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It's that recyclers and communities don't
know how to find end users for recycled

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material.

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A lot of information is proprietary,
so it's not publicly shared.

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It's widely unknown who the real end
users of recycled materials are.

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And so our goal here is to kind of
outline #1 the resources that are

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available to find those end users.

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So we've got some interactive mapping.

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We've got some materials marketplace
resources,

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but we've also got strategies to identify
how different stakeholders,

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holders can take steps to find end users
and then create better relationships with

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them.

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And hopefully make it so that we can,
instead of wasting,

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instead of wasting valuable materials,
recirculate them into the economy through

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these better relationships with end users.

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Can you expand a little bit on that?

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What what role do end markets play in
recycling and the circular economy?

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Yeah.

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So just like any like the basic economy,
the circular economy also has a supply

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and demand side to it.

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The supply side is obviously the recycled
materials.

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It's the paper, metal, organics, plastic,
all of that.

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But then there has to be a party who can
take those materials and actually find

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value in them and create the demand for
them.

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And so without those reuse markets,
what we call them,

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they're also known as end markets,
which is why I use the term reuse markets

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and end users and end markets
interchangeably because the goal is that

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those materials never become waste
because instead they're an asset to be

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valued.

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So without those reuse markets,
recycling doesn't actually close the loop.

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You know, we can collect them,
we can sort materials,

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we can bail materials,
but if there isn't a company willing and

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able to buy and use those recycled
materials and feedstock,

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they become waste.

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So the toolkit is really focused on
strengthening that demand side of the

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circular economy and just making sure
that there are viable,

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visible and connected businesses that can
find value in recycled inputs.

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Can you share a little bit more about
some of the challenges that exist with

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connecting and markets to recycled
material?

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Yeah, so there's a lot,
it's a very complex system.

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I would say that the first major
challenge is visibility,

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because a primary barrier to finding
those reuse markets is that there isn't a

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whole lot of transparency about who the
end markets are,

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what materials they accept or what under
what specifications they operate.

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And a lot of this information is
proprietary,

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meaning that it's not publicly shared.

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So there's oftentimes a lot of
uncertainty regarding communities

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collecting materials,
but also not knowing if there's

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necessarily a stable buyer around to take
those materials.

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Then I would say that the second
challenge is viability because with how

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the current economy is structured,
it's cheaper for businesses to extract

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raw materials than it is for them to use
recycled materials.

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There can be like high upfront costs
associated with processing reuse

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materials.

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A lot of companies are sometimes hesitant
to use recycled inputs in their

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feedstocks because they might be
contaminated or degraded.

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So there's concerns about reliability of
recycled goods.

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And so as a result,
when you combine the issues of not being

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able to find end markets and then also
just it being so difficult to be a reuse

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market,
we get this supply that way exceeds our

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demand.

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So we have a surplus of recyclable
materials.

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So without those end markets,
that's going to become waste.

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So finding ways to remediate, you know,
making it more publicly visible to find

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these end markets,
making it a lot easier to transport

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recycled goods to them is a huge step.

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But also making it so that those recycled
goods are actually a usable input for

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them is another.

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Can you share a little bit then about how
the toolkit actually addresses these

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challenges?

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For example,
if I work for a materials recycling

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facility within Michigan,
what are the specific steps then that the

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toolkit helps lay out to solve some of
these challenges?

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Yeah.

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So there's kind of two main things.

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The first thing is we provide the
resources that already exist that just

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identify these end markets.

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We use three publicly available resources
that are most widely known to us.

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The first one is there is a map from Next
Cycles 2023 circular economy gap analysis,

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which shows a map of supposed end markets
across the state.

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But one thing to note with this is that
since a lot of information about end

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markets is proprietary,
a lot of those mapped end markets or

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reuse markets aren't necessarily
confirmed to be end markets,

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but just supposed based on the material
inputs that they use.

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So that's a challenge with that.

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And then the second map that we have is
the EPA recycling infrastructure and

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market opportunities map,
which is account or not county wide

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countrywide map that maps recycling
locations shows where materials are most

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heavily recycled.

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But what we use it for is that it shows
potential end markets within our state.

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So similar to the next cycle map,
it kind of means that those are supposed

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end markets,
but it's kind of a way to identify,

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I guess,
likely end markets without them being

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confirmed.

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And then our third resource is the
Michigan Materials Marketplace,

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which is an online platform where
businesses and people can list surplus

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materials and connect with buyers who are
nearby.

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So think of it kind of like a Facebook
marketplace,

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but for larger or industrial materials.

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And then beyond those resources,
the toolkit instead lays out six main

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strategies that governments, producers,
materials management facilities and

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consumers can take to strengthen
relationships with reuse markets in

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Michigan.

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And it's a, it's a broad, broad brush,
but these strategies include improving

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material and quality,
reducing contamination,

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making recycled material a more
attractive input for producers,

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increasing data transparency,
regional matchmaking events,

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using waste brokers.

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So it's a cross sector approach to make
sure that, you know,

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we can close this loop and reinforce
those better connections.

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Thank you.

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Who is the tool kit designed for them?

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If I we've,
we mentioned materials recycling

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facilities, the Murphers.

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So first I'd ask you to explain who,
who are the Murphs and then in addition,

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who else might benefit from going through
it and implementing step by step?

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Yeah.

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So the Murphs when we refer to recyclers,
that's typically who we're talking about.

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Those are the organizations or the
companies that take recycled goods from

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collection sites,
and then they're the ones who process it

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and they're the ones who are tasked with
finding ways to reincorporate that into

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the community.

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So they have to find the buyers who will
take that material and then inevitably

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reuse it.

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So they're the ones responsible for
making sure that this material does not

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get wasted.

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And so I would say that this is likely
going to be most useful for them because

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they're the ones who have the most direct
relationships with those reuse markets

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because they're the ones going out there
everyday and trying to find buyers for

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their material.

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But specifically,
I think anyone can use it.

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I think local governments play a really
big role in this because they're the ones

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who can create local policy regarding,
you know, matchmaking, data disclosure,

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things like that.

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So they can really influence those
relationships between the Murphs and the

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reuse markets.

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Producers obviously play a big role in
this because whether they use recycled

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material or not,
they'll benefit because they'll know that

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it's a viable option for them to use as
an input in their production processes.

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And I would say that consumers will also
benefit from the strategies that we put

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forth in this because environmentally and
economically,

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there are a lot of long term and large
scale costs associated with the linear

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economy that we currently have.

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And so by taking the steps to make our
system more circular,

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there's like infinite social,
economic and environmental benefits to it

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as well.

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Wrapping up and looking at the big
picture and the long term,

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if the strategy is listed in this toolkit
are implemented,

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what might that look like for Michigan?

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Where do we go from here?

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I think there's a lot more that needs to
be done than just connecting recycled

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goods with end markets.

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And that's something that is currently
happening now and we recognize that.

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But there's a lot more steps to be taken
in order to reach this ideal circular

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economy.

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You know,
we need to continue improving recycling

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infrastructure.

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We need to increase parts or public
participation.

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We need to be more proactive in designing
products with reuse and material recovery

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in mind.

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But by strengthening these reuse markets,
we are taking a critical step in keeping

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materials in use,
supporting local businesses,

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protecting our landfills and our natural
resources in Michigan in the long term.

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So there's a big responsibility on
everyone involved.

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You know, it takes everybody.

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It takes local governments and recycling
facilities, producers,

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community organizations.

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But hopefully by publicizing this tool
kit,

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we can kind of help in taking some of
those steps towards a circular economy.

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You remind me of that saying it takes a
village, right?

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It really has.

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You've had a toe in municipal government,
You've had a toe in academia.

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What is next in your journey as far as
sustainability and circular economics

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goes, whether it be in Michigan or beyond?

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I think it will always be a very large
tenet of what I do,

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regardless of what I end up doing.

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You know, I considered pursuing APHD,
so that's obviously there's a ton more

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research to be done regarding it.

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And I think I would love to research,
you know,

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how it can be implemented more on a
community scale.

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But I mean,
regeneration has always been in my mind.

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And so I plan on carrying that forward
regardless, probably through policy.

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Well,
I know that I am definitely talking to

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the future here.

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This is so impressive,
and I thank you for your work.

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I thank you for your research,
and I thank you for your dedication.

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You truly make an impact.

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So thank you for your time today,
and we'll wrap up.

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Yeah, thank you.

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We also want to recognize senior research
assistant Henry Jared,

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who played a key role in shaping this
tool kit.

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Henry helped draft many of the strategies
and action steps you'll find throughout

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the document.

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This toolkit has been thoughtfully
reviewed by members of the CCD Circular

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Economy Faculty Network,
along with several external experts who

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provided crucial feedback to
strengthening the clarity and relevance

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of the strategies that we're sharing.

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We're excited to shortly begin
distributing the toolkit through our

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community partners,
whose work centers on circularity in the

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coming weeks,
and you can expect to see it published on

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the CCD website later this month at www.
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