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Chief Nursing Officer of Memorial Hermann,
The Woodlands. John,
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thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thank you so much. Glad to be here.
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So for those who don't know,
Memorial Hermann Health System is a 19
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hospital,
4300 bed health system headquartered in
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Houston, TX. John,
I understand that there are a number of
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projects that you're working on today
that we'll be able to cover.
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These include virtual smart rooms,
workplace violence,
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and a community paramedicine program to
reduce heart failure readmission.
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So I'd love to get started and just ask
you,
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what's the genesis of the virtual smart
room program? But more importantly,
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you know, from a data perspective,
what have been some of the greatest
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challenges and how have you been
addressing those?
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Yeah, it's a great point.
I think that the the genesis is we're
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always looking to see how we can improve
the care delivery model and one of the
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the drivers is obviously AI.
There's a I in healthcare and we use that
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word.
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And healthcare somewhat generically
because there's so much of it and it's
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coming at such a rapid pace that it's
hard to really articulate what a I is in
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the healthcare industry.
One of those avenues is smart room
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technology and that's the use of
installing cameras and.
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Specific TV's in the rooms for patients
and in our context,
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we're going to be using virtual nursing
as the foray into smart room technology,
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really focusing on admissions and
discharges and improving throughput.
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Really also trying to offload the burden
of the bedside nurse.
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One of the strategies is to really
enhance the opportunities for nurses to
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practice at the top of their license and
and.
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Being able to offload some of the
documentation requirements that exist so
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nurses can be at the bedside providing
that care is really important.
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We think that there's all kinds of data
points that we'll be able to capture that
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we don't currently capture either with
the use of the cameras or with.
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Mhm.
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You know,
improving efficiencies around that
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documentation.
If you have a virtual nurse doing the
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documentation of your admissions and
discharges,
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you can you can create efficiencies
because they become content experts at
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that. We're going to be, you know,
the the smart technology has lots of
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capability. It has room sensors, RTLI.
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Class capability.
It can it can track equipment when it
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enters the room or exits the room.
It can help with fall prevention and
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reminding patients to get back in bed so
that they don't get up and fall
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accidentally and we can aggregate that
data.
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And find out how often did a patient try
and get out of bed?
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How often did the the staff enter the
room or exit the room?
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How often was a certain piece of
equipment in the room?
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And I think those things are going to be
valuable to us in how we actually deliver
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the care.
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And I didn't mention the admissions and
discharges.
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It also gives us insight and to be able
to determine or measure how efficient are
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we at getting those admissions and
discharge documentations completed.
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And other things I think we get from that
is we get real-time data such as vital
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sign trends, mobility status,
other things,
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early warning systems that we can we can
implement and tie to the smart room
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technology to enhance nursing workflows.
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I appreciate you going into detail there,
John,
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on how you're implementing the virtual
smart room.
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I want to dive in to a number of topics,
but first we'll start with something you
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said,
offload documentation requirements and
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allowing nurses to practice at the top of
their license.
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I think that's something that many
organizations are looking at.
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Not only for increasing revenue capture,
but also for decreasing burnout.
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Mhm.
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Can you speak about how this smart room
implementation is offloading these
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documentation requirements?
How is there ambient listening technology?
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What are you guys doing?
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Yeah.
So it's a great point and I'll focus on
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burnout and well-being specifically from
a nursing lens.
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I think that while every organization
wants to to become more efficient and
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cost conscious.
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I think that from a clinical perspective,
we always focus on, you know,
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if we can keep the turnover down of
nurses and keep them more engaged and and
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feeling more valued in their profession,
then that's also a cost saving strategy
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and so.
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The the benefit is multimodal.
I think that initially we're focusing on
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having a virtual nurse who will beam into
the room on the camera and the monitor
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and talk to the patient and or the family
member to do that somewhat lengthy
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Mm.
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admission process that normally takes a
bedside nurse about.
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I.
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An average of 40 minutes to do an
admission in the chart. And if we can,
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if we can designate that to someone else
who actually improves at the efficiency
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and doesn't have the constant
interruptions with other call bells going
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off or bed alarms going off or
interruptions from providers who are
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asking questions.
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Phone calls,
then that Virtual nurse has the attention
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of the patient and or family member for
the duration of that admission process.
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So we can probably get it down to
anywhere between 15 and 20 minutes.
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So there's some significant efficiencies
gained from that process.
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There will still be other documentation
that has to be done by the bedside.
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you.
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Nurse as they're providing care and there
will be the addition of ambient
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technology added for nursing at some
point in the future.
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The smart room technology gives us that
capability as well.
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So we're not going to do it from the
beginning, but at some point.
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Maybe it's a year from now.
We'll add the ambient listening and and
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be able to capture the the documentation
that's essential for the bedside nurse to
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So I know that this is Healthy Data
podcast,
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do as well.
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but we can't forget that there's a human
relationship between the patient and the
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provider. I'm wondering, are there,
I mean,
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to what extent are in-person interactions
between floor nurses and patients being
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replaced?
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With the video nurse and how is that
affecting the relationship and the
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quality of care?
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Yeah, it's a great point. Yeah,
it's a great point.
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How are you tracking that?
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And I would say that it actually enhances
the time at the bedside while the video
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nurse, the virtual nurse is doing that,
that admission and discharge,
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the paperwork component of it,
the collection of that data.
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To enter into the record is not what is
one of the favorite things that nurses
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like to do, right?
They they never did it in the old days
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Right.
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and and So what they really prefer to do
is to be there to provide that comfort,
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8.
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the compassionate, connected care.
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To patients and families holding hands
while also doing the technical aspects of
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Mhm.
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nursing, right?
Making sure that your medications are
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infusing correctly and making sure that
patients don't have, you know,
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skin breakdown and and all the other
complexities of nursing.
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I I think that offloading that from the
bedside nurse gives more time for the
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bedside nurse to be in the room and to be
interacting with patients and families
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and providing real-time education and
doing some of these other assessments
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that are more meaningful and valuable
both to the patient and to the nurse.
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Just to understand the impact of FT E's
per bed, prior to the virtual room,
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did you have two nurses assigned to the
same patient?
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Cause it sounds like there's one nurse
who's ensuring that the infusion is
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correct and there aren't decubitus ulcers
underneath the patient and doing the
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compassionate care in person.
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And there's a second person on the other
end of the video screen at the same time
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who's maybe doing the ADT stuff.
So prior to the virtual room,
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were there also two nurses or was it on
one?
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Like what's the financial impact there of
having potentially two people at the same
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Yeah. So it's a great point.
And this really goes to to the thought
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time?
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process around when you add smart room
technology,
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do you just layer it on top of your
existing care delivery model or do you
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Mm-hmm.
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have to transform your care delivery
model?
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To produce a different outcome and we're
going about it a little differently.
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Cortana.
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We're taking the approach that we're
going to redesign the care delivery model
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right now before we go live,
we're operating under a primary nursing
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model,
which means it's one RN who takes care of
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Mhm.
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four to five patients at a time.
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00:09:09.353 --> 00:09:13.763
And then we have a patient care tech on
the floor that takes care of up to 12
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patients at a time.
So that patient care tech is a support
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role for nursing.
They do the vital signs and the bathing
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Mhm.
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and the ambulation to the bathroom and
things like that.
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Mhm.
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We're going to change that dynamic
because we're going to change it from a
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four to one to A63.
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Model and that 63 model is 6 patients per
RN with the addition of a virtual nurse
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and also decreasing that PCT model from a
12 to one to a six to one.
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So essentially you as a nurse will have a
PCT that's assigned with you to be able
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to deliver that care at the bedside.
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Side and then the virtual nurse will be
the addition to supplement and make sure
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00:09:53.623 --> 00:09:58.021
that they're doing as much of that
documentation as possible when you talk
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about the financial impact on the
organization by changing that four to one
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00:10:00.233 --> 00:10:00.713
Mhm.
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model and going to a six to one.
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00:10:04.633 --> 00:10:08.968
And then increasing the tech coverage
with the virtual nurse.
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It's not an additional cost,
it's essentially the same cost.
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Interesting. All right.
I appreciate you explaining the financial
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impact. I'd like to go back to data.
We spoke about aggregating data.
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For example,
you had KPIs about patients getting
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frequency of patients getting out of bed,
staff entering and exiting the room,
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00:10:28.246 --> 00:10:29.513
equipment in the room.
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What sort of mechanisms are you using,
or what sort of challenges did you
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00:10:34.145 --> 00:10:38.965
encounter in aggregating, normalizing,
deduplicating this data and making it
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00:10:38.965 --> 00:10:44.223
available, as you mentioned, in real time?
Have you been able to set up a fire repo
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in a commercial cloud VCPU?
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You know,
what sort of different data have you been
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able to do most of this within the EHR
and enterprise data warehouse?
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How are you doing this aggregate data
aggregation?
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Well, you know, we've implemented Epic,
which is our, you know,
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00:11:00.423 --> 00:11:05.127
it's a nationally accepted electronic
health record and we have all kinds of
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Yeah.
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And.
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dashboards and data reports in that
system that are formulated and tabulated
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00:11:09.831 --> 00:11:13.313
automatically based on on, you know,
how they're set up.
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00:11:13.513 --> 00:11:20.213
Artisite has some reporting functionality
as well. And then we also have Pilrom,
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00:11:20.213 --> 00:11:26.333
which is made by Baxter for our bed data.
So I think it's the, as I said,
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00:11:26.333 --> 00:11:30.633
we haven't implemented our virtual smart
rooms yet.
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00:11:31.073 --> 00:11:31.553
Mhm.
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But that is part of the process is to
look at how are we going to collate all
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00:11:35.807 --> 00:11:39.308
of that data into meaningful,
actionable reporting structures,
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00:11:39.308 --> 00:11:43.086
whether that's dashboards or daily
reports or whatever it might be,
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00:11:43.086 --> 00:11:47.086
where we can look at it and say, OK,
here's what we see with this data.
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00:11:47.086 --> 00:11:50.753
What are we going to do next?
How are we going to transform this?
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00:11:51.193 --> 00:11:54.753
And and are we on the right track or do
we need to regroup?
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00:11:51.393 --> 00:11:51.873
Mhm.
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Yeah,
sounds like many questions that are
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00:11:58.202 --> 00:12:02.869
before you right now are the very
questions before many of your peers and
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00:12:02.869 --> 00:12:06.274
listeners to this podcast episode across
the country.
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00:12:06.274 --> 00:12:11.193
I'd like to pivot to two of the other
topics that we're going to cover today.
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00:12:11.593 --> 00:12:16.965
One is a community paramedic program
pilot to reduce readmissions for heart
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00:12:16.965 --> 00:12:20.569
failure.
Would you please tell me a bit about that
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00:12:20.569 --> 00:12:20.993
pilot?
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00:12:21.273 --> 00:12:25.947
Absolutely. You know,
one of the challenges that we have in a
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00:12:25.947 --> 00:12:31.675
acute care is that our heart failure
patients that are readmitted within 30
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00:12:31.675 --> 00:12:36.273
days, CMS has, you know,
take back money for those patients.
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00:12:36.473 --> 00:12:37.153
Mhm.
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00:12:36.873 --> 00:12:42.613
The claw back so to speak and so if they
come back within 30 days after discharge
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00:12:42.613 --> 00:12:45.693
then we get penalized for that
financially.
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00:12:43.193 --> 00:12:43.833
Mm-hmm.
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00:12:45.693 --> 00:12:51.573
So the the goal is to how is to think how
do we keep these patients that tend to be
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00:12:51.573 --> 00:12:53.673
chronically ill patients that.
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00:12:53.673 --> 00:12:58.177
Can be non-compliant, you know,
for the ones that tend to be readmitted.
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00:12:58.177 --> 00:13:00.952
How do we manage the care of those
patients?
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00:12:59.593 --> 00:13:00.313
Mm-hmm.
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00:13:00.952 --> 00:13:05.887
Because we've tried phone calls and we've
tried all kinds of strategies to keep
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00:13:05.887 --> 00:13:09.033
them out of the hospital with very little
success.
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00:13:09.833 --> 00:13:16.001
So we we decided last year that we were
going to pilot a community paramedicine
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00:13:16.001 --> 00:13:20.550
program and it's hospital-based,
which is somewhat unique.
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00:13:20.550 --> 00:13:26.101
And maybe to your point about data,
one of the things that we wanted to
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insist on was that this was actually.
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00:13:28.953 --> 00:13:36.096
Captured in our Epic platform.
So we built out the documentation for the
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OK.
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paramedics to be done in Epic instead of
some EMS agency platform and we feel that
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Good.
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that's super beneficial for us because.
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Mhm.
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We'll be able to tap into the data and
see what we're actually doing.
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00:13:51.733 --> 00:13:55.833
So when they're when they're doing this,
they're pre-visits and they round in the
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00:13:55.833 --> 00:13:59.883
hospital and they meet with the patients
before they're discharged and they talk
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about what we're going to be doing over
the next 30 days.
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00:14:02.783 --> 00:14:06.783
We make sure that we help get their meds
to the bedside so that they have their
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00:14:06.783 --> 00:14:08.033
meds before they go home.
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00:14:08.513 --> 00:14:13.792
And then that information is captured in
the Compass Rose module in Epic,
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which is really for community care and
and population health.
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And then when they go out to the house
and they make a home visit.
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00:14:23.193 --> 00:14:28.175
Which we know is a big driver of keeping
patients out of the hospital.
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00:14:28.175 --> 00:14:33.928
They document any of their interventions
at the home in the outpatient module and
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00:14:33.928 --> 00:14:38.629
the benefit of that is that that goes
directly to into the record,
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00:14:38.629 --> 00:14:40.313
so the primary care and.
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The cardiologists all get to see that
information when they're making these
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00:14:44.681 --> 00:14:48.857
home visits and how is their patient
progressing outside of the hospital?
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00:14:46.193 --> 00:14:46.433
U OK,
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00:14:48.857 --> 00:14:53.596
And do they need to be seen sooner in the
clinic or do they need to be brought back
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00:14:53.596 --> 00:14:56.473
into the hospital or are they maintaining
at home?
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00:14:56.553 --> 00:15:00.699
Our paramedics are doing great because
they actually have protocols that they
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00:15:00.699 --> 00:15:03.038
can go out and they can assess the
patient.
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00:15:03.038 --> 00:15:05.801
And if the patient's not significantly
exacerbated,
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if they've gained 4 lbs or whatever,
they can give them some medication to
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00:15:09.788 --> 00:15:13.774
manage them in the home setting.
So we're preventing them from coming back
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00:15:13.774 --> 00:15:15.793
into the hospital as much as possible.
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00:15:16.153 --> 00:15:19.864
The goal is knowing that we're not going
to keep all these patients out of the
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00:15:16.593 --> 00:15:17.353
Is this the?
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00:15:19.864 --> 00:15:22.212
hospital,
but if we can at least start addressing
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maybe a third of them or a little bit
more, then we're making progress.
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00:15:25.313 --> 00:15:25.473
OK.
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So are you?
I'm not sure how long has this has been
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going on and how you're calculating your
return on investment,
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00:15:33.093 --> 00:15:37.713
but it it seems like this is the kind of
program that may be able to pay for
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00:15:37.713 --> 00:15:40.653
itself.
If you can offset the penalties from the
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00:15:40.653 --> 00:15:45.093
public and private payers in your
risk-based shared value delivery model,
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00:15:45.093 --> 00:15:45.873
then I think.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/95-0
00:15:46.153 --> 00:15:51.686
Those penalties may exceed the costs of
the paramedic pilot program,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/95-1
00:15:51.686 --> 00:15:58.180
therefore leaving the organization in the
black within this particular use case.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/95-2
00:15:58.180 --> 00:16:04.273
Is that has that borne out in with the
over the course of the intervention?
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-0
00:16:04.473 --> 00:16:09.210
It's a great thought. Unfortunately,
we get paid for the readmissions, right?
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/96-0
00:16:09.033 --> 00:16:09.713
Mhm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-1
00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:12.551
But you know,
if you if you figure you're going to get
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-2
00:16:12.551 --> 00:16:15.284
paid,
but you're also going to have to pay a
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-3
00:16:15.284 --> 00:16:18.320
penalty on the back end,
it's not a full payment.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/97-0
00:16:18.113 --> 00:16:18.273
OK.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-4
00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.025
But at the same time,
one of the things that we built as our
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/98-5
00:16:22.025 --> 00:16:24.393
KPI was to decrease the length of stay.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/99-0
00:16:24.393 --> 00:16:29.327
Half a day for the CHF population,
we've been able to do that already and
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/99-1
00:16:29.327 --> 00:16:34.460
some of the strategies we've taken to
impact that is that we're working with
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/99-2
00:16:34.460 --> 00:16:39.727
our Ed partners to make sure when these
mildly to moderately exacerbated heart
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/99-3
00:16:39.727 --> 00:16:41.993
failure patients come into the Ed.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/100-0
00:16:41.993 --> 00:16:44.755
We admit them to the OBS unit for 24
hours,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/100-1
00:16:44.755 --> 00:16:49.776
we tune them up and then we discharge
them and and they know that the paramedic
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/100-2
00:16:49.776 --> 00:16:54.797
will go out there the next day to assess
them and maintain a close eye on them.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/100-3
00:16:54.797 --> 00:16:59.379
So by doing that we prevented the
readmission into the hospital which is
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00:16:59.379 --> 00:17:01.073
definitely contributing to.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/101-0
00:17:02.033 --> 00:17:02.433
Cost savings.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/102-0
00:17:03.513 --> 00:17:06.256
I see.
And are there any challenges with
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/102-1
00:17:06.256 --> 00:17:09.734
facilitating?
I guess the paramedics are working on
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/102-2
00:17:09.734 --> 00:17:13.881
iPads or some sort of digital input data,
maybe a smartphone.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/102-3
00:17:13.881 --> 00:17:18.229
Are there any challenges?
You said you're leveraging the Compass
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/102-4
00:17:18.229 --> 00:17:19.633
Rose module and Epic.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/103-0
00:17:20.153 --> 00:17:26.595
Are there any challenges to incorporating
the data that is obtained in the patients
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/103-1
00:17:26.595 --> 00:17:32.806
homes by the paramedics into the EHR and
making it available at the time of care
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/103-2
00:17:32.806 --> 00:17:36.793
when a patient returns to the emergency
department?
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/104-0
00:17:37.633 --> 00:17:43.358
Yeah. No, there's no issue with it now.
When we first started this back in
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00:17:43.358 --> 00:17:46.945
September,
there was no documentation in Epic.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/104-2
00:17:46.945 --> 00:17:52.899
So we had to start from scratch and our
Epic partners and our folks at at our
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/104-3
00:17:52.899 --> 00:17:53.433
system.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/105-0
00:17:53.793 --> 00:17:58.501
ISD team really worked hard at helping us
create it and and it was interesting
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/105-1
00:17:58.501 --> 00:18:02.255
because we talked about which is the best
module to put it in.
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00:18:02.255 --> 00:18:06.725
Is it Compass Rose population health?
Is it is it the outpatient platform?
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/105-3
00:18:06.725 --> 00:18:11.313
We wanted to make sure that we captured
those social determinants of health.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/106-0
00:18:11.433 --> 00:18:16.460
And and the interventions that we were
doing before we actually went out to the
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/106-1
00:18:16.460 --> 00:18:21.425
house and the appropriate tools so that
our community partners could see those
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/106-2
00:18:21.425 --> 00:18:26.263
kind of interventions and and that's
helped us because now we've got some of
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/106-3
00:18:26.263 --> 00:18:30.473
these patients that are tapping into the
community health workers.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-0
00:18:30.473 --> 00:18:34.781
They can go out and help them with other
tasks at home to keep them out of the
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-1
00:18:34.781 --> 00:18:37.562
hospital.
But we also wanted to make sure that the
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-2
00:18:37.562 --> 00:18:41.051
primary care physician and the
cardiologist could see it on the
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-3
00:18:41.051 --> 00:18:44.159
outpatient side.
So we we built two different, you know,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-4
00:18:44.159 --> 00:18:48.194
structures within Epic to be able to
accommodate that and right now we're
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/107-5
00:18:48.194 --> 00:18:49.993
working with our partners at ISD.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/108-0
00:18:50.153 --> 00:18:53.130
To help us build a dashboard for that
purpose.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/108-1
00:18:53.130 --> 00:18:58.385
And so we've we've got I think maybe the
second iteration of that dashboard that's
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/108-2
00:18:58.385 --> 00:19:01.995
been completed.
Now we've got more things we're going to
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/108-3
00:19:01.995 --> 00:19:05.287
add to it,
but I think it's important for us one of
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/108-4
00:19:05.287 --> 00:19:08.073
the things that we recognize to your
point.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/110-0
00:19:08.713 --> 00:19:13.740
We started this and I I would say the
first quarter of data that we got was
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/110-1
00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:18.567
just the beginning of February.
And one of the things we noticed is that
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/109-0
00:19:16.553 --> 00:19:16.793
Hmm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/110-2
00:19:18.567 --> 00:19:23.858
we weren't having as significant of an
impact as we wanted to with going out to
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/110-3
00:19:23.858 --> 00:19:28.553
the home or with reducing readmission.
So when I went back and looked.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/112-0
00:19:28.553 --> 00:19:32.828
Notice that we had a lot of phone calls
we were making and a few house visits.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/112-1
00:19:32.828 --> 00:19:36.237
When I looked at the patients that
actually had a house visit,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/112-2
00:19:36.237 --> 00:19:40.403
only 6% of those patients came back in.
So we pivoted and we said, OK, well,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/112-3
00:19:40.403 --> 00:19:44.353
we need to stop all the phone calls and
we need to get out to the house.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/111-0
00:19:44.513 --> 00:19:45.273
Mhm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/114-0
00:19:44.593 --> 00:19:49.334
So we're curious to see what the new data
is going to show us and the upcoming,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/114-1
00:19:49.334 --> 00:19:53.600
you know, weeks. We anecdotally,
we feel that we're making a difference
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/113-0
00:19:53.193 --> 00:19:53.713
Mhm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/114-2
00:19:53.600 --> 00:19:57.511
and it's already paying off,
but I want to see what the real data
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/114-3
00:19:57.511 --> 00:20:00.473
shows us in that regard with home visit
increase.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/116-0
00:20:01.353 --> 00:20:04.768
Well, John,
we're approaching the end of this podcast
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/116-1
00:20:04.768 --> 00:20:09.511
episode and I appreciate your last
comment just there about looking to not
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00:20:09.511 --> 00:20:14.570
to to create an intervention and then to
evaluate it ex post facto with data in
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/116-3
00:20:14.570 --> 00:20:17.479
order to make decisions about how to
proceed.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/116-4
00:20:17.479 --> 00:20:21.273
I like how you pivoted from more calls
and fewer visits to.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/117-0
00:20:21.353 --> 00:20:26.213
More visits and fewer calls based on the
data that you looked at.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/117-1
00:20:26.213 --> 00:20:29.748
As we wrap up this episode,
just to recap here,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/117-2
00:20:29.748 --> 00:20:35.418
we've spoken about the smart rooms,
about the dedicated nurse and offloading
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/117-3
00:20:35.418 --> 00:20:40.793
documentation to reduce burnout.
Actually the offsite nurse was able to.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/119-0
00:20:41.113 --> 00:20:47.180
To by reduce by half the amount of time
required for admission or discharge.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/119-1
00:20:47.180 --> 00:20:53.009
We spoke about the community paramedicine
program to reduce heart failure
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/119-2
00:20:53.009 --> 00:20:56.633
readmissions.
I'd like to ask you to wrap up.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/120-0
00:20:56.793 --> 00:21:00.142
What would you advise yourself a few
years ago,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/120-1
00:21:00.142 --> 00:21:05.374
before you engaged in either of these
programs, knowing what you know now,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/120-2
00:21:05.374 --> 00:21:09.141
how would you,
what would you say to yourself to make
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/120-3
00:21:09.141 --> 00:21:11.233
this process go more smoothly?
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/121-0
00:21:11.673 --> 00:21:18.336
I I think as as leaders, as executives,
I think it's imperative that that you're
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/121-1
00:21:18.336 --> 00:21:22.860
receptive to change.
I think you have to be, you know,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/121-2
00:21:22.860 --> 00:21:29.193
we never predicted three years ago or
five years ago that we would have a I.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/124-0
00:21:29.233 --> 00:21:33.157
And the the rapid pace at which AI is now
evolving,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/124-1
00:21:33.157 --> 00:21:39.043
I mean daily literally and and I don't
think we ever could have predicted the
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/123-0
00:21:35.713 --> 00:21:36.193
Mhm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/124-2
00:21:39.043 --> 00:21:45.005
kinds of capabilities that we have now or
what's going to come in another five
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/124-3
00:21:45.005 --> 00:21:47.193
years and I I would say that.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/125-0
00:21:47.193 --> 00:21:51.521
It's imperative that as executives,
even old timers like me,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/125-1
00:21:51.521 --> 00:21:57.125
that we recognize that times are changing
and we shouldn't be fearful of those
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/125-2
00:21:57.125 --> 00:22:00.602
changes.
We need to use those changes as much as
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/125-3
00:22:00.602 --> 00:22:02.233
we can to improve care.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/126-0
00:22:02.313 --> 00:22:06.820
In the healthcare market to make sure
that we're giving the best care we
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/126-1
00:22:06.820 --> 00:22:11.511
possibly can and to improve outcomes and
if you embrace the changes and you
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/126-2
00:22:11.511 --> 00:22:15.832
embrace the technology and the
opportunities that exist and certainly
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/126-3
00:22:15.832 --> 00:22:17.313
using the data to drive.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/128-0
00:22:17.753 --> 00:22:21.715
Whether you're actually making the
difference you anticipate you're making,
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/127-0
00:22:21.713 --> 00:22:21.953
Hmm.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/128-1
00:22:21.715 --> 00:22:24.113
I think you'll be,
you'll be well positioned.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/129-0
00:22:27.513 --> 00:22:29.673
Absolutely. Thank you so much.
f5f294d6-871f-405c-9c09-fa25d142839b/130-0
00:22:37.633 --> 00:22:38.153
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