00:03.38
Nandi K
Welcome back to Right Quick.

00:06.12
Vance 😈
A bite-sized pop culture conversation with your favorite Queer, unfriendly Black hotties.

00:11.42
Nandi K
Today we're unfriendly because so many of our Black elders are leaving us. I'm Nandi K.

00:18.40
Vance 😈
And I'm Vance Gowe. um Yeah. our Our elders, I mean, aside from our elders leaving us, I just feel like a lot of our like a lot of our folks are just age, right?

00:22.26
Nandi K
Yeah.

00:30.62
Vance 😈
Like folx are getting older.

00:31.09
Nandi K
Yep.

00:32.06
Vance 😈
And you know I know Black men more specifically be dying young.

00:32.50
Nandi K
Yeah

00:36.65
Vance 😈
um So I just be anxious.

00:37.11
Nandi K
all right

00:38.93
Vance 😈
Like every time I see a picture of like Stevie Wonder online, I be like, “oh Lawd!”
My chest gets tight. Yeah.

00:42.46
Nandi K
Oh my god baby I saw somebody post the other day and they was like, “y'all I just realized Stevie Wonder ain't immortal”, and I was like don't bring that up right! Don't bring that up what are you talking about

00:54.76
Vance 😈
I'm dead.

00:58.07
Vance 😈
We, right. I don't, I don't want to hold that right now. Could we please not?

01:02.01
Nandi K
Oh my God. I don't even want to think about that. But today we are talking about our Black ancestral pantheons. Uum with so many of our Black elders leaving us over these past like decades or so, especially for millennials. I wanted to like have some space for us to talk about the ancestral icons that influence us the most, that that we miss the most.
ah And why?

01:38.81
Vance 😈
Yeah, so you want talk about that? Sorry, that was a thing. ah So, yeah, ah we'll we'll go we'll go over the rules because this is a ranking episode, right?

01:48.57
Nandi K
I mean, it's kind of a ranking episode, but...

01:49.75
Vance 😈
Well, not ranking, but we're just going to top, or not top five, but just five that we want to honor and highlight, right?

01:55.35
Nandi K
Yeah, five we want to honor and highlight.

01:57.91
Vance 😈
Okay, so the criteria is going to be they must be Black.
They must be an ancestor, AKA passed, dead, moved on to the upper room.

02:08.00
Nandi K
Yep. They can't be here with us no more.

02:10.09
Vance 😈
um Right. We're going to choose five titans of our Black ancestral pantheon. So you want to go first or you want me to go first?

02:18.17
Nandi K
Yeah, I'm very excited. So to represent my work ethic and no nonsense ways, I'm kicking off a number of my first Titan in my ancestral pantheon with James Brown.

02:35.23
Vance 😈
Ayy!

02:36.41
Nandi K
James Brown, American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician, activist, producer, the (4x) creator and a progenitor of funk music on the one, baby. And ah the Nigga who would dock your pay during a performance from the stage. You playing that shit wrong? I'm taking 25 cent off your shit, nigga. You were replaceable. I'll show up with a whole new... I'll show up with Bootsy Collins, nigga. All you Niggas is out.

03:11.77
Vance 😈
Was he docking pay?

03:13.18
Nandi K
Yes, he was docking pay from the stage during a performance. Boom! Docking people's pay.

03:20.73
Vance 😈
They thought he was scatting. That Nigga was docking pay, firing people.

03:23.01
Nandi K
That Nigga. Docking pay. He was docking pay. And honestly, I love the professionalism.

03:27.34
Vance 😈
That's crazy.

03:30.69
Nandi K
Was it right? No But did it get Niggas to tighten up? Yes.

03:39.00
Vance 😈
I mean, yeah, you ain't got no choice. you Look. you. That C note was flat. Look.

03:46.01
Nandi K
You came in a beat late.

03:49.91
Vance 😈
That that's funny. That reminds me of Beyonce. Like just somebody getting fired. Like the s singing it on the stage type.

03:55.93
Nandi K
Oh my God.

03:55.95
Vance 😈
Michael Jackson.

03:57.18
Nandi K
Yeah.

03:57.37
Vance 😈
ah Okay.

03:58.62
Nandi K
Yeah.

04:00.18
Vance 😈
Do he got a movie?

04:02.14
Nandi K
Yeah, Chadwick Boseman played him, right?

04:03.16
Vance 😈
And Chadwick. Chadwick is him right.

04:05.30
Nandi K
I did not watch it because I was like, what?

04:06.77
Vance 😈
Chadwick was everybody.

04:08.60
Nandi K
Yeah.

04:09.03
Vance 😈
Chadwick literally. If you're historical nigga. Chadwick played you. Like.

04:12.38
Nandi K
Yeah.

04:13.46
Vance 😈
Chadwick gonna play US.

04:17.91
Nandi K
Alright, who you got?

04:19.03
Vance 😈
all right.

04:19.09
Nandi K
Who's your...

04:20.39
Vance 😈
Okay, so number five, I chose a personal relative. So I chose so I chose my...

04:24.60
Nandi K
a

04:27.41
Vance 😈
um My aunt, her name is Tova I'll say her whole name, she ain't here no more So, you know, ain't nobody gonna dox her. Tova Winrow. So, um, I chose my aunt Because, um, she, out all my relatives That passed, uh, close relatives She was the first one to pass, and she passed a while ago, 20 years shit Um, but with that being said She just represented the best of, like, my family Um, she is kind of kind of what I feel like I am for my friend groups Like, she was, uh. The fun one, the life of the party. She showed up for everybody. She made everyone feel special. Like, you know, um everybody kind of has the same thing to say about her. Like, oh, “she was my fave.” And it's just like, dang, you was everybody's fave? But, you know, um but yeah, just with that being said, I think it just… Reminds me to show up better for people and just like, you know, like hold that light that you got. Cause sometimes like, you know, when you're down you're going through it, it's, you gotta remember to do that. So anyway, yeah, it's just um my aunt and she, she was the first one down. So there's other relatives, but you know, that was the first man down. So I always hold a space for her.

05:31.38
Nandi K
yeah oh that's so sweet we love having a real relative. My family that I know ain't really shit so they not on this list, spoiler alert. *chuckles* but we love when you do have like people in your family that you know that were that are watching down on you. I'm sure I have ancestors that I don't know that are great that are watching down on me but uh yeah. All right, next, representing my weird and artistic side, I've got Octavia E. Butler, American science fiction and speculative fiction writer who won several awards for her works, including the Hugo, Locus, and Nebula Awards.

06:05.30
Vance 😈
Yeah.

06:15.21
Nandi K
And she was the first science fiction writer to receive a MacArthur fellowship Octavia Butler is a Jack of all trades she was so brilliant endlessly curious also showed up for her family was a caretaker for the two matriarchs of her own family even as she aged, just just a really brilliant artist, researcher, family member, friend. I've been reading so much Octavia Butler over the past few years and just like my life is better because I because I know that her work exists and it like has us like it's challenging and it's like hey it helps prepare me for like challenging shit like the apocalypse that we're in right now.

07:08.97
Vance 😈
Right. I mean, yes. I feel like she's come up a lot on this podcast.

07:13.62
Nandi K
Yes

07:15.44
Vance 😈
She the big homie. um You know, I'm over here in Cali. um

07:19.41
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

07:19.51
Vance 😈
A couple things this year, actually. We went to the library. We went to Octavia's lab. with ah We took the students there. And then we took them to CAAM, the African American Museum.

07:24.78
Nandi K
Wow. Mm-hmm.

07:27.27
Vance 😈
And they had a whole room dedicated to her. And they just had her notes.

07:29.58
Nandi K
Ugh.

07:30.11
Vance 😈
We went last week, actually.

07:31.19
Nandi K
Yeah.

07:31.43
Vance 😈
And then I didn't know that was going to be there. But I thought it was a dope because, like, now the kids are making the connection, and they're like, “oh, it's the same lady.” And I'm like, yup. And, um yeah, I think the research just needs to be highlighted in that, like. People be saying like, oh, she's a prophetess and you know, all this shit. And it’s like no, no, no, she was like, “no, no, no. Don't put that on me.”

07:51.13
Nandi K
Yep.

07:51.38
Vance 😈
I'm not supernatural.

07:51.84
Nandi K
Yep.

07:52.22
Vance 😈
Like I just read.

07:52.76
Nandi K
Yep.

07:53.86
Vance 😈
I study.

07:53.94
Nandi K
She's like, I'm just curious.

07:54.30
Vance 😈
If

07:55.30
Nandi K
I see what's going to happen if we keep going things.

07:59.03
Vance 😈
If we stay on this path.

07:59.54
Nandi K
One thing that I, yeah, one thing I really liked when I read her biography last year, Positive Obsession. And she had all these kinds of books that she was working on, like a book for African naming, a book of like Pacific Northwest geology, like, because those are all things that she got interested in when she was trying to do research for her books.

08:07.70
Vance 😈
Yeah.

08:22.41
Vance 😈
Do research. Right.

08:25.42
Nandi K
And she had to be able to describe these things. And so like endless curiosity, being somebody who's just like, oh, I'm interested in a bunch of stuff. And I want to know about that. It's really helpful. Yeah. and it shows that like nothing is useless knowledge that's another thing I love about her alright who you got next

08:43.19
Vance 😈
Right! No good one. All right so this next one, this one again a little sad um I chose son, brother cousin, um undue victim to to racism, Trayvon Martin so uh you know it's a it's a sad one but i just feel like um he represents just like potential, like, you know, like, and then I think like the movement that came after the his passing was just like, oh, I think I would, I would be a different person if that thing did not happen. And I don't want to make that about me, but I'm just like, I saw the shift with a lot of people, like it woke us up. And like, I think like BLM and all these things wouldn't even exist if that didn't happen.

09:24.83
Nandi K
Yep.

09:28.44
Vance 😈
So like, I think, but like to honor the person like that, that was a human being who was taken from us too soon. ah So, yeah, again, the untapped potential, but then just the movement after it, just, like, kind of activating everybody and, like, everybody kind of waking up and just being like, oh, this shit's fucked up.

09:34.15
Nandi K
Preach.

09:42.71
Vance 😈
And it's still happening, obviously, but, like, yeah, that, again, I don't think you and I would know each other if that did not happen because I was pissed.

09:43.09
Nandi K
Yeah. I agree. i don't think I don't think we would have.

09:49.41
Vance 😈
Yeah.

09:51.03
Nandi K
I think you're absolutely right. For me, Trayvon Martin definitely represented a real shift
how I was really aware. Also, I'm from Florida. Sanford is like an hour away from Jacksonville.

10:04.00
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm.

10:06.50
Nandi K
And that year, when the trial happened, I was at home and I was watching the trial every day on my mom's couch you know while I was at home. and It was just like… And I got back to New York and then he got off and like that devastated me.

10:22.70
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm.

10:25.75
Nandi K
I remember just like going to get drunk at this bar that I always used to drink at. And there was a huge march in New York like the next day or something like that.

10:33.24
Vance 😈
Yep.

10:34.68
Nandi K
But yeah, so many people I think I wouldn't have known, have met if it weren't for that. And yeah, bless up. He would have been like 30 years.

10:45.37
Vance 😈
Yeah, yeah, I just saw that.

10:45.72
Nandi K
He would have turned 30 this year. His birthday just passed. Yeah. My God. My God. All right. The next person I have representing my pro-Blackness and my musician and churchy side is Donny Hathaway.

11:02.58
Vance 😈
Yeah, yo boy.

11:03.32
Nandi K
ah Yeah, this is my boo, American soul singer, keyboardist, songwriter. Honestly, musical like prodigy, I think. Donny Hathaway had a record deal at the age of three. He got a gospel, like a gospel record deal when he was three years old.

11:20.89
Vance 😈
Three is crazy.

11:20.97
Nandi K
Like this child was talented. He was also ah mentally ill.

11:30.26
Vance 😈
Same.

Nandie K
He really struggled with mental illness and he took his own life ah at the age of 33.

11:33.63
Vance 😈
Ooh.

11:36.95
Nandi K
I just, yeah, man, ah there's something about Donnie's, like, his upbringing in church, his queerness that we're not necessarily, we don't have we don't have that much evidence of, but we're pretty sure. All that stuff, I feel that. And there's just, like, I think, like, a sadness that comes with, like, losing… I don't want to say like losing your religion but when people think things about you but who are religious because of you know they have different opinions and what that looks like um yeah I love Donny Hathaway he was the cover king. He he would cover people's shit immediately um that shit had just came out last week that shit came out last week he said the Beatles came out with what yeah

12:11.35
Vance 😈
Yeah.

12:20.95
Vance 😈
He said, that's popping. Right. You did something. Let me let me let me do something with it.

12:30.68
Nandi K
Yeah, and I and also he was like just he was also like someone who just talked about shit Black people were going through.

12:30.78
Vance 😈
um

12:40.88
Nandi K
Yes. Yeah.

12:41.21
Vance 😈
um did he do real but Be Real Black for me, right?

12:45.46
Nandi K
yes

12:46.20
Vance 😈
Yeah!

12:46.97
Nandi K
yeah

12:47.96
Vance 😈
i love that song. That song reminds me of you, because you love Donnie, and then you also love Blackness. It just, yeah.

12:53.40
Nandi K
I literally almost submitted that for like the music league this week because it was like greatest song of all time.

13:00.11
Vance 😈
Ooh. Ooh.

13:00.70
Nandi K
And I almost submitted that, but these crackas been fucking with me. So I've been switching up my, cause I've been trying to win. I came in first place last week because me and my friend, we've been swinging the votes, but we've been swinging the votes every week.

13:12.70
Vance 😈
Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. *loud cackle sounds*

13:15.38
Nandi K
Cause I'm like, you fucking white bitches.

13:16.64
Vance 😈
Yeah.

13:17.06
Nandi K
Stop picking your white songs. So every week I'd be like, “what you pick?” And they'd be like, “what you pick?”, and then we give each other the points. um But I ended, I was going to Be Real Black for me because it's been sampled so many times that

Music sounds*

13:33.08
Nandi K
like on my block, that's probably the first time I ever heard the sample of Be Real Black for me was on my block.

13:42.28
Nandi K
So yeah, I mean like that Don Hathaway is very special to me. Like I just relate to him deeply.

13:53.72
Vance 😈
Okay.

13:54.54
Nandi K
All right.

13:54.52
Vance 😈
The next person I have on here is um American musical performer, producer, arranger, and composer. Quincy Jones.

14:04.92
Nandi K
Yes, I meant to put him on there. So when as soon as you said it, I said, yes, it's Clancy.

14:07.64
Vance 😈
ah Yeah, yeah.

14:10.14
Nandi K
Man.

14:10.78
Vance 😈
Yeah, so I think Quincy, just for his contributions to, to like, Nigga dumb Blackness, um I also really aspire to be a old nigga that just talks shit.

14:14.23
Nandi K
man

14:23.61
Vance 😈
Like, when, when yeah, when he was 90 and just running his mouth, that shit was

14:24.41
Nandi K
Tell everybody business. Who dead? Telling about who was fucking who?

14:31.61
Vance 😈
Right, right. He, uh, what was it? It was, uh, what's his Marlon Brando.

14:35.20
Nandi K
Marlon Brando?

14:37.13
Vance 😈
What's his name?

14:38.10
Nandi K
James Baldwin?

14:38.12
Vance 😈
Uh, Richard Pryor.

14:39.10
Nandi K
Oh, Richard Pryor dead. Nah, James Baldwin screaming.

14:41.05
Vance 😈
yeah rich Richard, Richard Pryor's estate was like, he was not slinging throat.

14:42.51
Nandi K
Ooh, him too, maybe. Mm-hmm.

14:46.30
Vance 😈
and And I was like, was you there? Like Quincy was there.

14:49.03
Nandi K
Quincy said he was there.
14:50.62
Vance 😈
like Quincy was there.

14:51.41
Nandi K
said he was there.

14:51.89
Vance 😈
don't, he was there.

14:53.21
Nandi K
you said I was at the juke joint and the thoak was open.

14:59.35
Vance 😈
It was, it was, he was giving out that Charlie Kirk, that Nancy Reagan.

15:02.77
Nandi K
Oh God.

15:05.77
Vance 😈
He was, he was slinging it. Well, anyway, yeah. So um Quincy Jones, I mean, you can't even, you can't even say all the things, but like Color Purple to keep coming up on this podcast.

15:11.51
Nandi K
Yeah.

15:16.77
Nandi K
Oof.

15:17.25
Vance 😈
ah But like, I mean, Fresh Prince, like there's just so many things.

15:18.33
Nandi K
Man.

15:20.73
Vance 😈
The talent, the, the Wiz.

15:22.26
Nandi K
The Wiz.

15:24.14
Vance 😈
Yeah. It's the talent, the,

15:25.11
Nandi K
Michael Jackson, Off the Wall, the greatest Michael Jackson album of all time.

15:29.85
Vance 😈
ah Brilliant, casually brilliant, just like just doing the thing.

15:32.46
Nandi K
Thriller. It's like all of this is us all like Quincy Jones is like almost, I'm not gonna say single-handedly, but like like this man his best friend was Ray Charles they started off as 14 year olds playing in bands together get out of here

15:54.84
Vance 😈
Yeah, just Titans.

15:58.94
Nandi K
what doing here on

16:01.72
Vance 😈
Right. Tie me off.

16:07.36
Vance 😈
Tie me off, King. Uplift me.

16:09.91
Nandi K
All right. Keeping the musicians rolling. Representing my fiery side, my flair for performance, and my good looks, it's that girl, Whitney Houston, baby!

16:20.18
Vance 😈
I know who it is.

16:23.26
Nandi K
knee The voice, honey. The voice from Newark, New Jersey. The diva. My girl. I mean, she's a Leo. She was stunning. She supported the girls.

16:40.54
Vance 😈
Right.

16:40.60
Nandi K
She was was the girls.

16:41.02
Vance 😈
Was the girls. Was one of the girls.

16:44.76
Nandi K
Right. Was the girls like Whitney was everything.

16:47.29
Vance 😈
Yeah.

16:50.33
Nandi K
Just I get sad still that Whitney ain't here no more. um Every time I hear Whitney sing, I have thought about killing myself after I heard Whitney Houston sing something because I was like, well, there's no point in me living anymore if that's what she was doing.
16:54.90
Vance 😈
Hmm.

17:06.52
Nandi K
She ain't even take a breath while she was doing that. I'm supposed to just keep living.

17:11.19
Vance 😈
Not keep laughing. Shut up.

17:13.78
Nandi K
I'm supposed, after that?

17:15.58
Vance 😈
How am I supposed to continue to be here?

17:18.20
Nandi K
How am I supposed to go on?

17:23.06
Nandi K
Yeah, I love Whitney. She was beautifully flawed. Big oldest daughter vibes, it feels, of like taking care of your family and how that can backfire on her. Idefinitely feel like she was taken from us too soon.

17:39.13
Vance 😈
yeah of course.

17:40.25
Nandi K
But we miss you, girl. And we think about you all the time.

17:44.82
Vance 😈
Right. Ah

17:45.72
Nandi K
and

17:46.96
Vance 😈
All right. My next one. you actually You actually said everything I was going to say because it is Whitney Houston. First time this has happened. Okay. So, just to add to what you said, because you already said, I put talented, Niggerish, and deserved better from the community.

17:57.44
Nandi K
Our girl.

18:06.04
Vance 😈
I feel like, you know, before she left, I think we have a tendency, a nasty tendency to throw people away when they, like, are not doing well, when they're not up.

18:08.54
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

18:14.42
Nandi K
Yep.

18:17.24
Vance 😈
Or, like, you know, they're not doing the thing that they gave us.

18:17.37
Nandi K
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

18:19.92
Vance 😈
I was just talking to my roommate, actually, about... um What is it like? Oh, Disrespect of Elders. And I was talking about other other communities doing that, but even us, right?

18:26.47
Nandi K
Oh, yeah. sure no she gave us so much she gave us a lot

18:29.53
Vance 😈
Like, of our ah ah people ain't up. We don't have no love for them. I'm like, that ain't it, y'all. That ain't it. Like, look how much she gave us. And, like, she just deserved better. Yeah, so anyway...

18:41.21
Vance 😈
And I feel like like, you know, like in her later years, she kind of became a punchline. Like, you know, I know we love Mad TV, but punchline, right? And then like just the other stuff.

18:47.67
Nandi K
yeah yeah yeah

18:48.69
Vance 😈
So just like, yeah, she deserved better from us. And like, and what every time I hear her saying it, just I get sad every time I hear it. Like, I mean, I think about you every time I hear Whitney too, because you love you love Nippy.

19:00.13
Vance 😈
um

19:00.25
Nandi K
baby

19:01.05
Vance 😈
But yeah, nah, Nippy's on here. Yeah, just, and and just like a proud, talented hood mouse. Like, you know, just...

19:07.84
Vance 😈
Through and through. And, you know, we love talented hidden mouse system. We might be.

19:06.74
Nandi K
Yes yeah. She said, “can I be me”, yes Whitney you can boo you can. All right my number one

19:15.23
Vance 😈
You can every day.

19:21.56
Nandi K
The original city girl, a woman that represents my journey in a way that's not only artistically relevant, but literally physically relevant. It's that girl, Zora Neale Hurston, the original city girl going from Florida to New York and back, such as a person as myself.

19:37.71
Vance 😈
Oh, oh, Oh.

19:45.24
Vance 😈
Oh.

19:47.52
Nandi K
ah As we know, American writer, anthropologist, folklorist, documentary filmmaker. She portrayed racial struggles in the early 20th century of the American South. And she published a ton of stuff about African diasporic religions, which I've been really getting into her, that work of hers recently.

20:13.50
Nandi K
We love Zora. It definitely started for me when we did that, our ancestors were messy podcast.

20:15.51
Vance 😈
Yeah.

20:21.02
Nandi K
And then we did Zora and Langston. I went into a Zora spiral.

20:23.22
Vance 😈
Yeah. a whole

20:26.02
Nandi K
I have not stopped. um She is just the queen of like being herself, telling her like it is, not letting no man hold her down. Yeah.

20:38.42
Vance 😈
Complicated um Keeper of stories. Somebody who like understands how important it is to remember um and then not only remember like Important people Or people that we deem as big or whatever It's just like everyday Blackness And I think that that was so smart And like just ahead of its time, because like look at now Like these Niggas trying to erase everything And I think

20:39.74
Nandi K
Yeah.

20:42.55
Nandi K
indeed

20:47.26
Nandi K
yeah

20:56.07
Nandi K
Yes.

21:00.19
Nandi K
Yeah.

21:03.54
Nandi K
It's so wild. Yeah.

21:04.89
Vance 😈
Right. And I think part of a race and everything, again, we're racing the big shit. So we're racing the big shit. You know, the little shit's getting like skipped over. So like, yeah.

21:12.18
Nandi K
You know what it is? It's because she grew, like, was born in a Black town. Like, she was born in, like, the first, like, all black town in Florida. She was like, bitch, what you mean? Black people are what?

21:24.82
Vance 😈
Right. Right.

21:25.59
Nandi K
And I feel like I relate to that a lot because when I moved to New York, the way people would talk to me about living in the South, like, oh, you're like so glad to be here. I'm like, yeah, I am. But like, why are you saying it like that?

21:39.93
Vance 😈
ah Right. Well, me and you have talked about this a lot. I feel like you and our friend Victor are like my I love being connected to y'all because y'all really do highlight like like just Southern pride and not in that fucking Confederate bullshit way.

21:53.30
Nandi K
yeah no.

21:53.66
Vance 😈
But like in that just like, hey, there are human beings here. We got stories. We're not beneath y'all. Like this is our culture. Like this is what we do. It is different, but that's not bad or whatever, you know.

22:04.41
Nandi K
And also the reason they think that and people who think that, especially Black people is sad. Like that's colonization. That's indoctrination. This was planned. This is why I'm reading a book right now about this. They said smart niggas will move to the North. And that's where that shit comes from. They say, if you're a nigga with any sense, you'll move to the North.
Not if you're a Nigga with means, Nigga with opportunity, right?

22:29.93
Vance 😈
Right.

22:30.32
Nandi K
A Nigga who has somewhere to go. They say if you have any fucking sense, you will go.

22:32.82
Vance 😈
I simply want to.

22:37.10
Nandi K
And that's why people like that have those attitudes.

22:37.66
Vance 😈
Right.

22:39.82
Nandi K
But their ancestors are from here too, bitch.

22:42.78
Vance 😈
Right, right. I mean...

22:44.12
Nandi K
Like, what? Anyway, Zora's that girl. She reminds me. She really, like, especially now that I'm back living in the South, like, I have never been more proud to be a Southern person, especially once I moved away.VBut, like, being a Black Southerner is the greatest honor of my life. Like, I'm from a people who know how to fight, who know how to survive, who know how to live, who know how to resist. I'm not ashamed of that.

23:10.90
Vance 😈
Right.

23:11.48
Nandi K
And I eat chitlins.

23:11.96
Vance 😈
Right.

23:12.92
Nandi K
Nigga, what?

23:13.24
Vance 😈
Right.

23:17.91
Nandi K
All right.

23:17.98
Vance 😈
All right. um Last one for me. So, I mean, this person kind of, we we know we know the resume, but I just put mother, revolutionary, spy.

23:29.75
Vance 😈
And then I put in exclamation mark, “to FREEDOM!”. um

23:36.31
Nandi K
Hey,

23:36.72
Vance 😈
Harriet motherfucking Tubman.

23:40.39
Nandi K
a real life superhero.

23:40.55
Vance 😈
Knocking out, knocking out babies, putting, putting them paws on babies,

23:43.47
Nandi K
was gonna say knocking out babies. knocking out babies with her shotgun yeah yes mm-hmm

23:51.45
Vance 😈
knocking out babies, uh, pulling guns on Niggas, you know, whatever, whatever myth you done told about her is true, bitch.

23:54.65
Nandi K
yeah

23:57.75
Nandi K
yes

23:58.02
Vance 😈
Uh, yeah, I think, I think just everything we're talking about, like, uh, the fighter spirit, the, um, you know, the,

24:03.90
Nandi K
here

24:06.42
Vance 😈
the the incorrect notion that we are not our ancestors. I'm like, we we are ancestors and they, well, we not, we not, but.

24:12.73
Nandi K
Well, we not, bitch. We could never. One, we could never. I'm like, could you say... I'm gonna say, and I mean it with the highest respect, baby. I'm not surviving that.

24:23.96
Vance 😈
um I don't know.

24:24.98
Nandi K
I've wanted to go out for less.

24:25.28
Vance 😈
It's hard to say.

24:27.34
Nandi K
I've wanted to go for less.

24:27.68
Vance 😈
That's true.

24:29.10
Nandi K
I wanted to go a few months ago because my fucking neck was hurting.

24:29.46
Vance 😈
That's true. That's true.

24:32.74
Nandi K
I said that's enough.

24:34.57
Vance 😈
That's a I can't I can't even say nothing against that. Right. Could like the Internet go down too long. I'm like, look, do I need to be here?

24:40.31
Nandi K
No. No.

24:41.26
Vance 😈
Like.

24:41.56
Nandi K
I love not having the internet. I have so many books. I have a library at my house, so I'm good.

24:47.03
Vance 😈
Same. But but but even still any inconvenience, I'm just like, oh you know what?

24:52.25
Nandi K
Yeah.

24:52.98
Vance 😈
I don't know about this. This is a lot.

24:54.20
Nandi K
When I say I'm not them, I mean it in a way of like reverence and respect because I don't know. i don't think that I could do... I would maybe be willing to like die and take Niggas with me, like but I don't know if I'm getting...

25:08.01
Nandi K
I'm not going to be homegirl from Beloved.

25:08.10
Vance 😈
Can't say

25:12.12
Vance 😈
Oh Yeah, yeah, but but that's but that's what I. But yeah, just that that spirit And then like, even the like You got on and you went back several times But like, going back and bringing Niggas with you, like, we all must strive to be that way, and like like And at what cost?

25:13.85
Nandi K
No.

25:26.74
Nandi K
Uh, got to.

25:28.37
Vance 😈
Your freedom, death, like whatever, right? So it's just like that, I feel like It's just like, the best of us.

25:30.94
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

25:36.49
Nandi K
Come on.

25:37.40
Vance 😈
You know, so anyway, yeah.

25:38.07
Nandi K
Yeah.

25:38.72
Vance 😈
ah Mother, brave, courageous, powerful.

25:40.91
Nandi K
Mm.

25:43.46
Nandi K
Amen.

25:43.43
Vance 😈
Um I just watched that. I've been watching that or listening while i was setting this up to the video. Did you see the video of Clifton Powell cussing them people out?

25:52.28
Nandi K
ah Oh, yeah. He was like, I'm old now, and I didn't know this shit when I was young. I'm 70, but when I was 50 and 60, I didn't know all that shit.

26:03.69
Nandi K
Yeah.

26:03.74
Vance 😈
Yeah. So Pinky, Pinky came all the way out.

26:06.36
Nandi K
Yeah.

26:06.38
Vance 😈
Was cussing Niggas out. So I was uh-uh, look at Pinky. So I've been listening to that while I've been ah putting my shit together for this podcast. And ah I'm dying. But anyway, they kept talking about how men should be leaders and shit. And I'm just like, I see ancestors like Harriet. Like, why are y'all holding that? Like, why are y'all holding that? Like, I just feel like.

26:28.31
Nandi K
Listen.

26:29.43
Vance 😈
People with the skillsets should do what's within their skillset, right? So like, if leadership ain't your thing.

26:34.39
Nandi K
Colonization got niggas fucked up. Colonization got niggas fucked up. I wanna hear Aaron. Do you have some ancestors in your Black Pantheon?

26:44.92
Aaron Rand Freeman
So, um I had Whitney Houston for, Ereika always says that um Whitney Houston was the only Black princess we ever knew.

26:49.03
Nandi K
Yeah.

26:53.94
Nandi K
I agree with that.

26:53.98
Vance 😈
Yep, I like that.

26:54.65
Aaron Rand Freeman
Like, the way we reach the way she was treated for a window of time in our lives was the only Black princess we've ever known.

26:59.42
Nandi K
Yep. It's true.

27:02.65
Aaron Rand Freeman
And see when I heard that like I was always a Whitney Houston fan families obviously obviously like i don't know they have to yeah yeah no that would have been through some new generation hateration for anyone in my family to do not like her but and through that lens I was like, “oh” and her life just became a little bit more beautiful so and also you know there was the um she had the uh she's also closet queer yeah and she had the friend she had the

27:02.85
Vance 😈
Yeah.

27:08.79
Nandi K
Obviously.

27:22.87
Nandi K
yeah

27:27.67
Nandi K
Yes exactly okay and she had the bad taste in men to prove it too.

27:34.87
Vance 😈
Right. Right. Ha little friend! Her roommate!

Nandi K
Having bad taste in men is a hallmark, that's one of the main reasons I knew I was gay like when I look back, I be like, “oh it's clear like look at all these people I chose they're so bad”

27:49.62
Aaron Rand Freeman
Yeah, there was that. um And I had on here Michael K. Williams.

27:54.74
Nandi K and Vance 😈
OH!!!

27:54.88
Aaron Rand Freeman
Yeah.

27:55.77
Vance 😈
Oh. Yeah.

27:56.36
Nandi K
Oh, my God, I can't believe we forgot him.

27:59.35
Vance 😈
Yeah.

28:01.10
Aaron Rand Freeman
And my own cousin, Denise, who was... So my family, they're not ain't shit, but they're unfortunate. But she was the jewel of the whole thing. She was tragically taken away. Ah Police actually shot. They were... She was shot accidentally by police in New York. They were running after...

28:16.63
Nandi K
Fuck 12

28:17.59
Aaron Rand Freeman
Right. They were running after someone shooting the way, you know, you're never supposed to use a gun ever at all.

28:18.10
Vance 😈
Period. ACAB.

28:22.52
Aaron Rand Freeman
And she caught a stray and tried to get kids in the house. And yeah, so...

28:26.47
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

28:26.94
Vance 😈
Doing hero shit.

28:28.59
Aaron Rand Freeman
Mm hmm.

28:28.88
Nandi K
Yeah.

28:29.56
Aaron Rand Freeman
but she was it. She was the cook. She was the laughter. She was the joy. She was all of it. And, you know, and it's good to know, because sometimes when your family is strange, you lose your own confidence in your own ability to help people to be of value to other people, because, you know, you're not you don't know it. But to know that if one person exists in this group of people, then you can be that person.at some point

28:56.12
Vance 😈
Come on, words.

Aaron Rand Freeman
Right, so it's my cousin Denise. I miss her. I always miss her. She's great, she cooked the hell, she used to cook. Sorry I'm not even gonna go down that road because I'm the person that keeps the time and now i'm gonna go over time so i'm gonna

29:01.56
Vance 😈
It’s all good.

29:11.32
Nandi K
No, today's episode is sponsored by Black Ancestral Veneration. Like It is so important to remember that like every step we take is like on the shoulders of Black people who came before us, laid down their lives. Some of them their lives were taken tragically, all just so we could be here right now. like It's the best time in the world to be Black. It's the best time in the world to be Queer. It's the best time in the world to be trans. It's to say that, right? Think about what these people that we've talked about, what they went through when this is the best time to be all those things.

29:55.78
Vance 😈
That's crazy.

29:57.78
Nandi K
Ancestral veneration. A big thanks to our producer and Audio Adonis, Aaron Ram Freeman.

30:03.86
Vance 😈
I've been Vance Gowe and you can find me on Instagram and threads at Sir (REDACTED) thought.

30:10.74
Nandi K
And I'm Nandi K. You can find me on Instagram, threads in blue sky at Nandi K-A-Y-Y-Y. Pour one out for the ancestors, y'all.

30:18.76
Vance 😈
And pour one out. Love y'all.