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Maisie: Page 94: the Private Eye Podcast.

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Helen: Hello and welcome
to another of page 94.

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My name is Helen Lewis and I'm
filling in for Andrew Hunter Murray,

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who has this week sadly failed.

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Developed Vetting

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I'm in the Private Eye studio with
Adam Ian Hislop and Saba Salman,

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editor of Rotten Boroughs, The local
elections are coming up and it's

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gonna be a splintering, of Britain
as people vote against Labour and the

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Tories where they're still standing.

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What does the picture look like?

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Saba: Let me paint you a
little picture of Sunderland.

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Come with me as I take you
to one of the Reform rallies

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Helen: Yes.

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'cause that is when Nigel Farage
of Reform launched his campaign.

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So he must be pretty confident of winning
it or that would be quite embarrassing.

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Saba: Absolutely.

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I'll just take you to
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So if you picture scene 2000 strong
stadium room, , big lights, music

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to announce all of the speakers
and, that you may not know,

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it's called Street Rev Anthem.

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By an electronica, pop producer,

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Helen: Why is Nigel France got
better taste in music than me?

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That's

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Saba: wrong.

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Yeah.

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Helen: actually Nigel, I was
gonna say, coming into, so Fred.

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But unfortunately that's, my brain
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Fra does often sing along to imt.

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Sexy by Right said Fred.

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That's

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Saba: right.

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small mercies know Andrew
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so at least that's something.

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so yeah, so in Sunderland he's basically,
banging on about the same thing, which

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is low tax, community voices, which
is what local counselors do anyway.

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So not, difficult, promise to make.

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Ian: and they don't set the tax.

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Saba: They well.

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Council tax is set at a local
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But I think what's interesting with
the reform, promises on this, as we've

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said in rotten boroughs, is that a lot
of the reform councils have come in and

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said, we're not going to raise taxes.

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We're going to actually cut taxes.

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And what's happened is they have
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pedalled is: we've got the lowest
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we're sticking to our manifesto.

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So it's a cheeky way of
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However, over in, Worcestershire,
which we've, again covered in

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the boroughs, they've raised
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So there's a, again, that same
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promised and what's actually Being

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Adam: And I've seen Farra
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that and saying Absolutely not.

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I never said taxes would go down.

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Saba: Yes.

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And I hate

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Adam: you play in lots
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people

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Saba: people.

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So I think when we're in charge,
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but the fact is that, he hasn't
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say, I am not going to be raising.

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Local council tax, there's a general
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will be lower, across the board.

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And if you are lucky enough to have one
of the, reform leaflets plop onto your

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doorstep as I had recently, that's one
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Helen: Oh, no,

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I did notice if you read the Sunday
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reform council leader.

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He did manage to fight off everyone else
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I wanna ask you, can you remember what
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Saba: He keeps a bear in his office.

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Adam: An

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Ian: actual

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Saba: No,

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Adam: Like Lord Byron,

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Saba: No,  he keeps a stuffed bear.

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I believe it's on loan from the local

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Ian: Finch?

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Saba: George?

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this is

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Finch?

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George Finch.

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So George Finch is in Warwickshire.

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Helen: I really should
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I thought teddy bear, then I saw

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Saba: No,

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Helen: and No, it's about five foot tall.

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It's a taxidermied bear

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Adam: because the symbol of
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Helen: Yeah.

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Bear and

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stone.

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Saba: Yes.

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But more importantly, bears
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And I think, for a 19-year-old, nothing
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That's the image that he wants to

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Ian: That's one of the
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Adam: We're recording this

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in the center so I can recommend
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and meet some very big rugged bears.

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Saba: I'll pass that on

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Adam: They're very fond
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Helen: Let's,

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Ian: move.

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We're indebted to you.

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Helen: from the

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Saba: the point in Sunderland, just to end
on Sunland, all of the 75 seats Rock for

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election, and obviously reform is, making.

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That one of their big targets.

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Ian: is this what we are meant to be
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home counties, it's not seaside towns.

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It can make it in the big,
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Saba: Yes,

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exactly that.

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So I think that one interesting thing
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you mentioned that the thousands of
people that's standing reform is fielding

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candidates in about 95% of seats.

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and I, went onto the reform website
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it would take to stand as a candidate.

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And, obviously the nominations
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It was very clear they were very keen
for as many candidates, many people

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as possible to stand and clearly said,
no experience necessary, which given

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the state of local government now
bankruptcies pressure on services,

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you really want somebody in there
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Helen: in Scotland Reform
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Have to withdraw from the ballot.

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Would you like to guess any of
the things that they've done?

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What are the kind of things you think
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mean that they have to withdraw?

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Ian: is it social media posting?

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Helen: Funny you should say that Linda
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leader and Islam is moron and many things.

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In that case, her partner
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her, which is very, moving.

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Any more ideas about why you might have
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Ian: anything to do with Bitcoin?

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Helen: Not as yet.

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There's two of them who said
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stand, and it was an error.

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Adam: That's quite,

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Ian: That's

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Adam: we've stood for Parliament

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by accident

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Helen: We've got a holiday by mistake.

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and then the final one was, a classic,
an old classic, a bit like Bitcoin,

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allegations of financial misconduct
linked to a COVID bounce back loan.

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Saba: It's

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Helen: the old cla, the old classics.

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Whereas, the Greens have
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They've had two different people
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first saying that the gold is green,
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and then one upgraded it, saying
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on Israel, they were also false flag.

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Both those had to pull out.

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So I think that speaks to the fact that.

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you've been covering this about reform.

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they've got in a lot of warm bodies,
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also dead bodies.

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We've had a reform candidate, mayoral
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actually been dead for six months.

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Helen: don't be So, alives Sava,

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is always, there has been the
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sort of paper candidates, Yes.

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who are put forward so that you can
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with this is that Nigel Frost can

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say, we've got this enormous

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Saba: Absolutely.

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And Liz, trust's husband was
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Adam: for

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reform.

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Saba: For, no, not for reform.

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Apologies for the

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conservatives.

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we might have reported that tips.

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Adam: aren't they?

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I can only assume that s Nigel
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Saba: from me.

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Adam: but that is quite a risk, isn't it?

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Because in the last set of like
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people we were put up effectively as
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and then regretted it and dropped out

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that is exactly what's happened with
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that the reform won last year, 677
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not expect to actually have to do the job.

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And they've got there and been
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Saba: It's, high sort of local government

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Ian: jargon.

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Saba: there are certain things that
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for example, not breaking the code
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yeah, maybe don't, be offensive.

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racist, misogynistic might be another.

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But to go back to the, to the green thing,
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Is, we've had these problems
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of, the number of candidates.

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And there's a similar thing going on
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talked about in rotten boroughs, where I
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I think all from Labour to the
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Zach Polanski has said, almost
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all these people coming, so we can't
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That's massively paraphrasing, by the
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But, the problem with the green
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that they're too green or they're
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don't seem to express much interest
in the environment over the years.

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And they're mostly interested

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in different types

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of politics.

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TA hamlets, the lofter mob, they
weren't known for their aggressive

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environmental stance, were they?

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No, that

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Saba: that wasn't

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the big

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thing for them.

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I, believe that when the many stories
that we've run in the eye, were not

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really about their green credentials No.

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At all.

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But these are people who
are desperate for power.

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I don't wanna use the word hypnotic,
magnetism of Polanski, but there's

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something there isn't there?

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We have, a story recently in rotten
boroughs where there was a, former tower

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Hamlet's Labour,

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Saba: counselor, also a
loyalist, for Lutfur Rehman.

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the current aspire,

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Helen: friend of the eye,

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Saba: favorite of the eye, and
he was booted out because he.

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Was supporting the independents.

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He's recently resurfaced while
campaigning on behalf of the

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independents down in Sour Hamlets.

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He scooted up to barking
and dham to support one of

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the new green counselors who

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used to be Labour,

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Saba: who defected to the greens.

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Are you with me?

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Are

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you following?

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Yes.

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Defected to

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the,

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Adam: defected

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Saba: to the greens, because

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apparently of the, Labour stance on

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Saba: Gaza, however,
he didn't say anything

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about the Labour.

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Stance on

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Saba: Gaza before he'd defected
and in fact was deselected.

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so he's up there campaigning.

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Ian: he

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also have a record?

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Saba: This is the character who
was, done for housing fraud.

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Ian: Yes.

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I'm just

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mentioning it

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Saba: in

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terms of, and I'm

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not

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Ian: sure being

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elected to local

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Saba: government.

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No, exactly.

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But I mean it, going back to the
vetting thing, it's that thing of

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him standing there with Zach Polanski
brandishing a bright green vote green.

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Helen: I think some people just
like to be near something that seems

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exciting and new and they're like,
and that's, that is Zach Polanski

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Saba: They do and they like to
photograph it and they like to put it

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on social media and then it's spotted.

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Adam: I think with the vetting thing, I've
seen this with all the Mandels and stuff

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in the last week, just develop vetting.

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Should we just throw open the
private eye archive to these people?

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That's all you really need, isn't it?

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It's free stuff.

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Yeah.

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in the case of Little Manson, 'cause
what you need is someone to just go.

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No,

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No, it's Peter Mandelson,
which would've an awful lot of

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problems.

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Yeah.

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So

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Helen: Anyway, that

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Adam: Peter

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back to local

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Helen: Yeah, and I think that's the thing.

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You feel that on one level, councils
have not got a great deal of

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control over lots of stuff, right?

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Most of them are burdened by adult
social care and that's where the

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majority of their budget goes and
there's really that limits their actions.

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However, if it's stuff like getting
your mate up the housing waiting

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list, then actually there are
things as a counselor you can do.

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The temptations that counselors
feel are often in the sort of

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nepotism kind of variety, aren't

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Saba: they?

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Absolutely.

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Nepotism backhanders, and that's
the stuff of, rotten burs really.

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But yes, many examples where people
have, been very kind to their chums and

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helped them with, planning or housing.

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Helen: talking, we now criticize
reform and, And the greens.

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So let's talk about a

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really crap Labour council and

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Helen: Birmingham.

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I don't think that, that's
not unfair, is That's

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Saba: at all.

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Helen: The bins, the bankruptcy.

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That's right.

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Something else.

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Begin with

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Saba: be, but yeah.

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One of Britain's most bankrupt, councils.

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it's the largest in Europe and all
the 101 seats are up for election.

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this is another one that's likely to go
into no overall control, which, we are

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seeing increasing numbers of this and when

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first

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Ian: is that necessarily a bad thing?

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Saba: mean,

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Ian: control

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hasn't been great

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Saba: No,

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Ian: In Birmingham, has

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Saba: it.

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no, you would think it would
be a positive thing because you

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then have more local debate.

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you don't have a party political stance.

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But certainly in all the years I've
been covering local government, I've

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noticed that, the no overall control
thing used to be far more rare.

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Because we just had the two, three main
parties, and now that's being fractured.

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We are getting councils that are
hung, councils that are minority

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administration, which, may be led

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nominally by Labour or lib dem,

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Saba: but really it's by a few
seats and that makes it really

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difficult for decisions to get
through, for budgets to be set.

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Everything just becomes
harder to find agreement on.

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So technically it should be better 'cause
you're not following the party line.

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That's not an agenda.

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But the nuts and bolts of getting
things done essentially is harder

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And

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Adam: increasingly presumably
getting more difficult because some

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political, views are, splintering more
people are going more to, extremes.

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and mean, potentially
we're gonna end up with

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hung

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that are half reform and
half green, aren't we?

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Which

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is hard to see.

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the conservatives and the Lib Dems
always work very, well together at a

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level in local government, which I think
is why the Lib Dems in 2010 thought,

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oh, we could do this in national
government, It all go really, well.

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Didn't work out for them.

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Spoiler earth.

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Saba: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Adam: But it's gonna be very difficult
when people have that politically

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Saba: Exactly.

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and Birmingham, to take that
example, I think there's about 45,

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just 45 councils due to exchange.

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Hands in, in, the next elections May 7th.

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But to go back to Birmingham,
that's an interesting one.

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Kenny Badnock went down to Birmingham and
made it known that she would not oppose

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a conservative reform coalition locally.

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not nationally.

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and Unite the Union, which is
obviously involved in the, bin strikes.

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For the last year, we've had the
strikes, over refuse workers, unite The

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Union has had secret talks with reform.

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Helen: Imy.

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Saba: Yeah.

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So it's all kicking off.

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Ian: Is it

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to

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resolve that dispute by anyone?

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I'm just asking

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because

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it,

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Saba: it, I, can't see how, the whole
backdrop of, the, RAO over the bin

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workers, the, there's an equal pay
row as well, so some sort of 700

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or million, The council declared
effective bankruptcy back in 2023.

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It's been helped by government,
so it's got this exceptional

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financial support so it can borrow,
it's an absolute dire strait.

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So that's an example of where, I
don't know what the solution is

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to any of those things apart from
borrowing more money from government.

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Helen: Right.

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I, you can tell me if you were canvased.

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I, live in Lewiston.

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We were canvased by some
very nice greens who

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were former Labour people.

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And

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Helen: one of the things they
said is, we want to end austerity.

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And I was like, sounds
good, but with what money?

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I don't think the Lewis Fromm
Council is secretly sitting on a,

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smog pot of gold that they've just
been cruelly refusing to disburse up

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until now.

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Saba: 30 odd councils now have
had this handout from government.

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But

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a

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Ian: a

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number

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of our

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letter

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writers make this point.

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Yes.

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But a handout from the government
to local council is not a handout.

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It's taxpayers money being
spent in different ways.

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if central

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government underfunds councils, which.

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Is, a criticism.

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then councils

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borrow from them.

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they're not exactly begging are they?

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they're trying to find a
restitution of some balance Yeah.

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Yes.

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between the two types of taxpayers.

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Saba: That's right.

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And, while all that's going on,
the pressure to provide those adult

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social care services, Support and
how all of that's still continuing.

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So really it's a pretty
difficult picture out there.

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Adam: There's a big narrative I
remember from the last lot of local

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elections, which was all we're gonna
come in and we're gonna cut waste

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and we're gonna cut DEI initiatives
and all that kind of thing.

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And the experience, once people
got into power was, seemed to be

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that actually, you can do a bit of
that, but the sort of sums of money,

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money, the.

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are fractional.

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Not to say there isn't
waste in local government.

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Of course there is.

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You, write about it constantly in, in your
column, but they're fractional compared

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with the act, the adult social care
budget and all those kind of big things.

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has that sort of gone away as a narrative
now or are people still pushing?

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There is, some money down
the back of the sofa.

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Saba: I think a certain reform councils
are still ping that myth of massive

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Helen: but we'll take down the
progress flag of the 10 hall and

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that's a hundred million pounds.

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Saba: you have a statutory duty.

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To look after people in your area who
need support, and that costs money.

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People are living longer.

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People need social care.

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That is your responsibility.

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taking down the flag.

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it's

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Not gonna bring the sums that
you think it's going to bring.

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and so therefore you have
to raise council tax.

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Ian: and a lot of the

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problems that your column, exposes are
councils think we haven't got any money.

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Here's an idea.

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Usually involving outsourcing something
or investing in some traditionally

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council activity that we go in

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with private sector and it all goes wrong.

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Saba: Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Going with the private sector, whether
that's through housing or schools,

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housing is another one that we've covered
a huge amount where a lot of councils

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are, were launching, their own housing
companies or regeneration companies and

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playing it, being private sector players.

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and it's gone absolutely.

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Tits

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Up.

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Ian: And they claim this is

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desperation that they have to do this.

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obviously we're not buying
that 'cause we right about it.

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But, that's pressure

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from,

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having no other sources of income,

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presumably.

507
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Yes.

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Apart right.

509
00:16:44,589 --> 00:16:45,134
Apart from raising the

510
00:16:46,126 --> 00:16:46,251
Saba: council

511
00:16:46,251 --> 00:16:46,611
tax.

512
00:16:46,761 --> 00:16:46,981
tax.

513
00:16:46,986 --> 00:16:50,601
It is, and it's, I think, you know
what people often forget, successive

514
00:16:50,601 --> 00:16:55,071
governments have cut back on these
main areas that, that councils have

515
00:16:55,071 --> 00:16:59,241
to, so while the, responsibility is
still there, the supply of the cash

516
00:16:59,241 --> 00:17:03,201
that's gonna help them meet that
responsibility is, year on year shrinking.

517
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:04,010
I think

518
00:17:04,033 --> 00:17:07,603
One thing actually in some of these
cases with the housing companies and the

519
00:17:07,603 --> 00:17:11,683
regeneration companies that are launched,
I think it's not just about money.

520
00:17:12,223 --> 00:17:15,373
I think we've proved it's also about
the glitz and the glamor of, robbing

521
00:17:15,373 --> 00:17:19,948
shoulders with the big developers
and Going to conferences abroad that

522
00:17:20,038 --> 00:17:23,083
Helen: are, that's, one of my biggest
groans during this campaigning season was,

523
00:17:23,473 --> 00:17:27,253
a Davy leader of the Lib Dems saying that
he wants to impose a duty on every new,

524
00:17:27,673 --> 00:17:29,593
housing development to have a GP surgery.

525
00:17:29,863 --> 00:17:32,113
And it was just like, yes, what
we should do is just put one more

526
00:17:32,113 --> 00:17:33,433
restriction on house building.

527
00:17:33,703 --> 00:17:34,573
That's, the charm

528
00:17:34,753 --> 00:17:35,570
Adam: We haven't enough of.

529
00:17:35,575 --> 00:17:35,865
Let's put them

530
00:17:36,065 --> 00:17:36,145
together.

531
00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:36,516
Saba: together.

532
00:17:36,538 --> 00:17:38,488
This little, a bit of a problem
as well in the health sector

533
00:17:38,488 --> 00:17:41,608
with gps, supply and hours.

534
00:17:41,938 --> 00:17:42,328
And,

535
00:17:42,548 --> 00:17:44,978
Helen: oh, also one of the things
is that every new development is

536
00:17:44,978 --> 00:17:47,468
often subject to that judicial
review and then planning appeals.

537
00:17:47,618 --> 00:17:50,588
So if you are building that gp, if
you're a gp, do you want to move into

538
00:17:50,588 --> 00:17:53,858
somewhere that in three years time there
might be some houses there or depending

539
00:17:53,858 --> 00:17:56,228
whether or not the residents have
taken it all the way to the high court?

540
00:17:56,228 --> 00:17:57,278
No, in fact they won't be.

541
00:17:57,278 --> 00:18:00,098
Or that, they found a
new bear or something

542
00:18:00,273 --> 00:18:00,473
Saba: that.

543
00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:01,340
Adam: Although the resident's

544
00:18:01,340 --> 00:18:03,650
blood pressure will have gone up
so much that you will have quite

545
00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:04,790
a few kind of patients coming in

546
00:18:04,892 --> 00:18:04,963
Helen: as a

547
00:18:04,963 --> 00:18:05,393
result of that.

548
00:18:05,528 --> 00:18:05,538
That's

549
00:18:05,538 --> 00:18:05,781
true.

550
00:18:06,243 --> 00:18:07,383
on the no overall control thing.

551
00:18:07,383 --> 00:18:11,112
So there're currently 32 councils outside
London that are no overall control.

552
00:18:11,343 --> 00:18:13,893
Sam Freeman in a very good substack
about the local collections said he

553
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:17,133
thinks there's probably gonna be another,
32 outside London at the end of this.

554
00:18:17,133 --> 00:18:19,473
So that's really the story of
these elections isn't, it's

555
00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:20,823
like we hate the mainstream.

556
00:18:20,823 --> 00:18:22,623
If you've still got a Tory
council, you're gonna register.

557
00:18:22,713 --> 00:18:24,153
You hate them, but mostly if

558
00:18:24,153 --> 00:18:24,963
you've got a Labour council,

559
00:18:24,963 --> 00:18:26,165
Helen: you're gonna
register that you hate them.

560
00:18:27,098 --> 00:18:29,731
Saba: that fracture is really
interesting on one hand

561
00:18:29,731 --> 00:18:31,031
you've got Labour and Tory,

562
00:18:31,081 --> 00:18:34,831
Saba: local candidates distancing
themselves, but over here you've got

563
00:18:34,831 --> 00:18:40,499
reform and, Greens, digging up the cult
of personality with Polanski and Farage.

564
00:18:40,499 --> 00:18:41,459
So it's really interesting.

565
00:18:41,459 --> 00:18:43,199
And over in Durham, we
talked about Durham earlier.

566
00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:48,389
they've got a life-sized cardboard
cutout of Nigel Farage in their

567
00:18:48,389 --> 00:18:52,379
reform meeting room, which they cut
off to the, the main council chamber.

568
00:18:52,909 --> 00:18:54,799
So I think they must have
been really excited when they

569
00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:55,819
had the rally in Sunland.

570
00:18:55,819 --> 00:18:56,539
'cause they had the real guy

571
00:18:56,571 --> 00:18:56,729
Helen: there.

572
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:57,329
That's tragic.

573
00:18:57,329 --> 00:19:00,059
'
cause Donald Trump is hoping
for gold statues and Britain

574
00:19:00,059 --> 00:19:00,989
being Britain, we've got, we've

575
00:19:01,064 --> 00:19:01,364
Adam: cutter

576
00:19:01,454 --> 00:19:01,664
hostile

577
00:19:02,167 --> 00:19:03,997
Saba: cost of living crisis even

578
00:19:03,997 --> 00:19:04,177
Adam: reform.

579
00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:04,597
I love that

580
00:19:04,604 --> 00:19:07,217
Helen: what slightly retro fact
became obvious at the Scottish

581
00:19:07,217 --> 00:19:08,860
party leaders televised debate,

582
00:19:09,361 --> 00:19:09,511
Ian: It

583
00:19:09,511 --> 00:19:10,381
was on the wireless,

584
00:19:12,428 --> 00:19:15,218
Helen: sent a pigeon individually
to each Scottish voters' home

585
00:19:15,218 --> 00:19:16,298
with the results of who'd won.

586
00:19:16,628 --> 00:19:18,158
Tragically not, although
that would be charming.

587
00:19:18,788 --> 00:19:19,226
they're men.

588
00:19:20,498 --> 00:19:24,038
It's been a big turnabout in Scottish
from the Halian Days of Kesier.

589
00:19:24,038 --> 00:19:27,308
Doug Dale, Ru Davidson, Nicholas
Sturgeon having three main parties.

590
00:19:27,308 --> 00:19:27,488
Yep.

591
00:19:27,488 --> 00:19:28,726
No, it's all chaps.

592
00:19:29,648 --> 00:19:31,448
The hypocrisy is returned to Scotland.

593
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,030
Joanna Cherry, former SMP MP has left
the SMP in fairly spectacular fashion,

594
00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:40,020
where a book coming out, keeping the
Dream alive, which details have fallout

595
00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:41,430
with Nicholas Sturgeon and the party.

596
00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:46,050
What did she claim that the s and
p wanted to melt down in 2018?

597
00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:46,459
Ian: Was

598
00:19:46,464 --> 00:19:47,464
it their gold Very

599
00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:47,664
Helen: handsome.

600
00:19:47,797 --> 00:19:49,460
it was a bust of Alex Salmon.

601
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:50,840
Yeah,

602
00:19:50,847 --> 00:19:54,297
she says that, the, party was
only too keen to move on from

603
00:19:54,297 --> 00:19:55,497
the Alex examined era when he

604
00:19:55,550 --> 00:19:56,180
Adam: Oh, sorry.

605
00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:56,395
I was

606
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:56,840
still with, it

607
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,400
wasn't a gold bust of Alex Ab

608
00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:58,520
I'm

609
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:58,657
still

610
00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:58,947
Helen: thinking

611
00:19:58,947 --> 00:20:00,237
I think the s and p have got that much

612
00:20:00,237 --> 00:20:00,627
money.

613
00:20:00,672 --> 00:20:00,952
Adam: okay.

614
00:20:01,677 --> 00:20:02,667
Helen: Some sort of Barnet

615
00:20:02,945 --> 00:20:04,755
Adam: they did really like him for
quite a long time, didn't they?

616
00:20:04,755 --> 00:20:04,875
Yes.

617
00:20:04,875 --> 00:20:05,330
Before they

618
00:20:05,337 --> 00:20:06,057
decided they didn't,

619
00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:08,517
do have an amazing ability to
fall out with each other horribly.

620
00:20:08,521 --> 00:20:09,590
At the top of s and p, don't they?

621
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,845
Ian: but are they going to get in again?

622
00:20:10,858 --> 00:20:11,018
again?

623
00:20:11,298 --> 00:20:13,622
Helen: they'll be the largest
party, I think on the predictions.

624
00:20:13,622 --> 00:20:13,832
Yes.

625
00:20:13,832 --> 00:20:17,342
I don't who so well as previously
discussed reform of, had a bit of

626
00:20:17,342 --> 00:20:20,942
a mayor, their leader made a very
unpleasant, homophobic joke about George

627
00:20:20,942 --> 00:20:22,615
Michael a, like a rugby club dinner.

628
00:20:23,552 --> 00:20:23,612
A

629
00:20:23,934 --> 00:20:24,144
always,

630
00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:24,444
Adam: but it was too

631
00:20:24,444 --> 00:20:26,064
strong even for the rugby club dinner

632
00:20:26,064 --> 00:20:26,484
Helen: apparently

633
00:20:26,484 --> 00:20:27,174
Adam: Gasp was in the room,

634
00:20:27,174 --> 00:20:27,324
which

635
00:20:27,324 --> 00:20:30,804
Helen: is got quite a high tolerance for
these things and I read it and I oh no,

636
00:20:30,804 --> 00:20:31,164
I don't think

637
00:20:31,172 --> 00:20:31,382
so.

638
00:20:31,562 --> 00:20:33,002
So they've had, and they've had the.

639
00:20:33,377 --> 00:20:36,767
Many candidates withdraw their
press officer has, stepped down.

640
00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:39,047
So they are still in the
slightly, like the basket case,

641
00:20:39,047 --> 00:20:42,887
organizational stage that's gonna,
that's gonna count against them.

642
00:20:43,187 --> 00:20:43,367
yeah.

643
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:44,154
Even though the s and p have

644
00:20:44,154 --> 00:20:44,747
been in government

645
00:20:44,747 --> 00:20:48,347
for an incredibly long luckily
fresh faced John Sweeney.

646
00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:48,857
Yes.

647
00:20:48,857 --> 00:20:53,484
The, current and former first minister,
what does he want to do to chickens?

648
00:20:53,912 --> 00:20:55,052
Saba: Reduce their cost,

649
00:20:55,257 --> 00:20:55,827
Helen: How does he

650
00:20:55,827 --> 00:20:58,172
plan to do this boat than the boat?

651
00:20:58,617 --> 00:20:59,750
16 year olds chicken?

652
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:00,410
Adam: that's the way to get

653
00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:01,646
it above 60%, isn't

654
00:21:01,870 --> 00:21:03,040
Helen: but how does he
want to make them cheaper?

655
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:03,820
Specifically?

656
00:21:03,873 --> 00:21:07,533
Adam: He wants a price on various sort
of basics across all supermarkets,

657
00:21:07,655 --> 00:21:07,780
Helen: doesn't

658
00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:07,810
he?

659
00:21:07,915 --> 00:21:08,410
He does.

660
00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:11,470
He wants a, series of like
essential items to be capped

661
00:21:11,523 --> 00:21:11,613
in

662
00:21:11,613 --> 00:21:11,887
price,

663
00:21:12,063 --> 00:21:16,122
Adam: milk, eggs, cheese I saw,
The problem with that one surely is

664
00:21:16,122 --> 00:21:18,419
that who does cost get passed onto?

665
00:21:18,419 --> 00:21:21,487
Because I already you've got
dairy farmers and, egg farmers

666
00:21:21,937 --> 00:21:22,987
in pretty perilous position.

667
00:21:22,987 --> 00:21:24,937
'cause they've been beaten
down by the supermarkets.

668
00:21:25,507 --> 00:21:26,137
Yeah.

669
00:21:26,137 --> 00:21:26,157
You've got.

670
00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:26,169
got.

671
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:26,909
A

672
00:21:27,269 --> 00:21:30,307
very big farming constituency
in Scotland, I would say.

673
00:21:30,307 --> 00:21:31,147
Say that's causing you

674
00:21:31,169 --> 00:21:31,589
problems.

675
00:21:31,889 --> 00:21:32,069
I was

676
00:21:32,077 --> 00:21:35,677
in str the other week outside the
caledonian cheese company, makers

677
00:21:35,699 --> 00:21:36,877
of, seriously

678
00:21:36,877 --> 00:21:37,537
strong cheddar.

679
00:21:37,815 --> 00:21:38,115
very strong.

680
00:21:38,258 --> 00:21:39,878
call, it's seriously strong.

681
00:21:39,885 --> 00:21:43,146
No, it's just every supermarket you go
to in Britain, and bizarrely in Scotland,

682
00:21:43,776 --> 00:21:45,351
they, dye orange for no apparent reason.

683
00:21:46,259 --> 00:21:46,379
And

684
00:21:46,431 --> 00:21:47,751
you ask them, why do you
dye your cheddar orange?

685
00:21:47,751 --> 00:21:48,561
then no one knows.

686
00:21:48,561 --> 00:21:48,916
It's just a

687
00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:49,116
bizarre

688
00:21:49,139 --> 00:21:49,949
Helen: dem cheddar.

689
00:21:50,186 --> 00:21:50,516
It's what

690
00:21:50,516 --> 00:21:51,356
It's what's

691
00:21:51,379 --> 00:21:53,624
Saba: the, what, about the
impact on smaller shops then?

692
00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:55,064
Because that's supermarkets,

693
00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:55,221
isn't

694
00:21:55,376 --> 00:21:55,716
Adam: Is only

695
00:21:55,716 --> 00:21:55,996
the big

696
00:21:56,176 --> 00:21:56,396
Saba: so

697
00:21:56,396 --> 00:21:56,556
yeah.

698
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:57,956
Helen: He said wants it.

699
00:21:58,469 --> 00:22:01,529
I'm just gonna be crude and
say it doesn't make sense.

700
00:22:01,889 --> 00:22:05,039
you can't, like he doesn't have the
power to do, he can't, he's not a comisa.

701
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,239
He doesn't do price controls.

702
00:22:06,534 --> 00:22:09,384
It would, in any case, the
supermarkets work on very thin margins.

703
00:22:09,384 --> 00:22:11,604
You can't have like corner
shops now being mandated.

704
00:22:11,604 --> 00:22:12,954
So we wouldn't, they would be excluded,

705
00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:14,489
Saba: they would lose out massively.

706
00:22:14,578 --> 00:22:17,733
Adam: You see all the, supermarket
market advertising, which along with,

707
00:22:17,733 --> 00:22:19,907
betting is the only thing that's propping
up print newspapers at the moment.

708
00:22:19,907 --> 00:22:22,719
All of their adverts at the moment about,
ah, Marmite is cheaper than Aldi's.

709
00:22:22,907 --> 00:22:24,017
they are all competing right there.

710
00:22:24,017 --> 00:22:25,667
So the kind of, profits to be made on it.

711
00:22:26,032 --> 00:22:27,137
are, tiny margins

712
00:22:27,159 --> 00:22:27,339
Saba: anyway.

713
00:22:27,339 --> 00:22:27,669
Definitely.

714
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:29,739
My local supermarket a couple
of years ago was giving

715
00:22:29,739 --> 00:22:30,489
away chickens.

716
00:22:31,059 --> 00:22:31,299
Dead.

717
00:22:31,299 --> 00:22:31,509
Dead

718
00:22:31,685 --> 00:22:31,802
Helen: ones,

719
00:22:31,929 --> 00:22:32,019
Oh,

720
00:22:32,169 --> 00:22:32,199
Saba: Oh,

721
00:22:33,187 --> 00:22:33,687
Helen: that's really

722
00:22:33,687 --> 00:22:34,247
Ian: honest point.

723
00:22:34,389 --> 00:22:35,379
Saba: Which I, yeah.

724
00:22:35,439 --> 00:22:35,589
Ian: but

725
00:22:35,589 --> 00:22:36,159
this is part

726
00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:40,697
of your theory, Helen, that the voter
must be bailed out at all costs.

727
00:22:40,869 --> 00:22:45,129
So if there is a cost of living crisis,
then food will have to be subsidized.

728
00:22:45,609 --> 00:22:47,162
it's everything now, isn't

729
00:22:47,208 --> 00:22:47,289
Helen: it,

730
00:22:47,439 --> 00:22:51,549
it's sad that we've given up on, on growth
and wage growth particularly, and then

731
00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:54,759
there's very strong wage compression
at the bottom end between minimum

732
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:58,159
wage, now about 22, 20 3000, and then
there's a huge chunk of the economy.

733
00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:58,334
It's just.

734
00:22:59,049 --> 00:23:00,069
All around there.

735
00:23:00,189 --> 00:23:01,712
And then very few people the,

736
00:23:01,712 --> 00:23:02,319
higher bands.

737
00:23:02,619 --> 00:23:06,669
So instead of making it so that people
are getting higher wages per hour,

738
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:11,499
let's try and find ways to give them
money, which is, things, like the energy

739
00:23:11,499 --> 00:23:14,229
price cap, become very popular, but

740
00:23:14,409 --> 00:23:19,982
Ian: but giving away money as a,
an electoral, strategy used to be

741
00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:21,692
a bit of a joke, but it

742
00:23:21,692 --> 00:23:21,992
isn't,

743
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:23,079
Helen: but it is cheap chicken.

744
00:23:23,109 --> 00:23:23,289
Okay.

745
00:23:23,289 --> 00:23:24,339
Let's do whale very quickly.

746
00:23:24,339 --> 00:23:25,089
I've got a question for you.

747
00:23:25,089 --> 00:23:29,139
Who characterized the Senate elections as
a choice between tolerance or division,

748
00:23:29,289 --> 00:23:31,832
progress or decay, defiance or deference?

749
00:23:32,049 --> 00:23:33,399
Culture or ignorance?

750
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,144
Humanity or indifference?

751
00:23:35,342 --> 00:23:36,482
Adam: Was it chat, GPT?

752
00:23:38,169 --> 00:23:38,229
Helen: I

753
00:23:38,229 --> 00:23:41,312
think you've made a very cruel assertion
there about, ENA rinna Gilworth

754
00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:43,869
reply, Ry, that's how he framed it.

755
00:23:43,869 --> 00:23:47,319
But the reason I mention this
is that his final two binaries,

756
00:23:47,349 --> 00:23:48,579
it's not X, it's Y, which.

757
00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:49,374
Grant you as

758
00:23:49,382 --> 00:23:49,832
little chat.

759
00:23:49,832 --> 00:23:50,462
GBT

760
00:23:50,784 --> 00:23:52,112
was Ply Cual Reform.

761
00:23:52,824 --> 00:23:54,504
That's how he's fighting that election.

762
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:54,639
Ian: Well,

763
00:23:54,752 --> 00:23:56,612
there isn't anyone else in Wales

764
00:23:56,612 --> 00:23:56,792
Helen: anymore.

765
00:23:56,792 --> 00:23:59,634
We just that's gonna be a really
interesting one to watch in, terms of

766
00:23:59,634 --> 00:24:00,378
psychologically for

767
00:24:00,378 --> 00:24:00,750
Labour.

768
00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:01,494
Losing whales

769
00:24:01,494 --> 00:24:01,674
Helen: would

770
00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:02,454
be a big deal.

771
00:24:02,454 --> 00:24:04,682
Alina Morgan, their leader there,
has said would work with ply.

772
00:24:05,214 --> 00:24:09,744
So they may find a way if they are the
first and second largest But it also

773
00:24:09,744 --> 00:24:11,814
illustrates something that's been a
theme of what we've been talking about,

774
00:24:11,814 --> 00:24:15,744
which is there are now two blocks in
British, politics and people can circulate

775
00:24:15,828 --> 00:24:16,866
between Labour.

776
00:24:16,866 --> 00:24:17,904
SMP applied

777
00:24:17,904 --> 00:24:19,974
Helen: to the greens, that's
the left block, and then the

778
00:24:19,981 --> 00:24:20,911
tourism reform.

779
00:24:21,434 --> 00:24:25,154
Categorize the right block and they're
cannibalizing each other's votes.

780
00:24:25,273 --> 00:24:26,323
Ian: Can I just say restore Oh,

781
00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:27,043
Helen: yeah.

782
00:24:27,043 --> 00:24:27,313
sorry.

783
00:24:27,318 --> 00:24:27,748
mentioned

784
00:24:27,748 --> 00:24:28,148
Saba: Restore.

785
00:24:28,211 --> 00:24:28,661
yes.

786
00:24:28,721 --> 00:24:29,741
Interesting one Who are standing?

787
00:24:29,741 --> 00:24:29,801
No,

788
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:29,921
they're

789
00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:30,071
not

790
00:24:30,401 --> 00:24:31,549
they're not they're not standing

791
00:24:31,811 --> 00:24:32,711
candidates,

792
00:24:32,921 --> 00:24:37,656
but what they are doing is
backing, great Yame   first.

793
00:24:38,406 --> 00:24:42,456
so Rupert Lowe, found a Restore,
that's his constituency.

794
00:24:43,296 --> 00:24:44,421
and That

795
00:24:45,051 --> 00:24:45,681
Helen: I just love this

796
00:24:45,806 --> 00:24:46,536
Saba: America First

797
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:47,811
We can't restore Britain.

798
00:24:47,811 --> 00:24:49,328
We're just gonna do it less ambitious.

799
00:24:49,598 --> 00:24:50,248
This is more

800
00:24:50,367 --> 00:24:50,743
manageable.

801
00:24:51,373 --> 00:24:51,493
Ian: No, this is

802
00:24:51,536 --> 00:24:52,003
gonna work.

803
00:24:52,003 --> 00:24:53,023
Make Yarmouth great.

804
00:24:53,023 --> 00:24:53,653
Saba: Great again.

805
00:24:53,944 --> 00:24:54,291
Exactly.

806
00:24:54,291 --> 00:24:54,921
Exactly.

807
00:24:54,921 --> 00:25:01,191
And the last I looked, he had been,
promising, to put up the five pound

808
00:25:01,191 --> 00:25:03,291
membership fee for the first 500.

809
00:25:03,291 --> 00:25:07,281
I believe it was, members
of Great Yarmouth first.

810
00:25:08,826 --> 00:25:11,534
Helen: if you need any more
great Yarmouth news, then Saba's

811
00:25:11,706 --> 00:25:13,206
column is the place to check out.

812
00:25:13,206 --> 00:25:15,336
I dunno, why I've made that
commitment on your behalf.

813
00:25:15,336 --> 00:25:15,876
Sorry about that.

814
00:25:18,558 --> 00:25:21,731
this week would've been the
Queen's hundredth birthday.

815
00:25:22,368 --> 00:25:22,878
And

816
00:25:23,494 --> 00:25:23,914
whenever

817
00:25:23,914 --> 00:25:27,244
I hear an occasion like that,
I think Adam, is there a quiz

818
00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:27,379
Saba: to

819
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,679
be had?

820
00:25:29,385 --> 00:25:30,034
Adam: It may well be.

821
00:25:30,214 --> 00:25:30,424
It's of

822
00:25:30,447 --> 00:25:33,544
course only her, unofficial
hundredth birthday

823
00:25:34,107 --> 00:25:34,347
because

824
00:25:34,347 --> 00:25:35,674
the queen has two birthdays.

825
00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:36,799
two

826
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,239
cakes, two lots of presents.

827
00:25:38,239 --> 00:25:39,627
She's got the, tripping
the color, isn't it?

828
00:25:39,627 --> 00:25:40,969
On the, is it June the seventh?

829
00:25:40,969 --> 00:25:41,029
I

830
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:41,329
think

831
00:25:41,719 --> 00:25:41,809
so.

832
00:25:41,809 --> 00:25:42,192
I think birthday.

833
00:25:42,192 --> 00:25:43,137
I think Charles has now inherited

834
00:25:43,407 --> 00:25:44,719
as, now the King's official birthday

835
00:25:44,937 --> 00:25:45,027
Yeah.

836
00:25:45,027 --> 00:25:45,087
as

837
00:25:45,087 --> 00:25:45,387
well,

838
00:25:45,447 --> 00:25:45,987
which is

839
00:25:45,987 --> 00:25:46,334
just,

840
00:25:46,467 --> 00:25:46,917
Helen: that's weird.

841
00:25:47,002 --> 00:25:47,352
isn't

842
00:25:47,352 --> 00:25:47,392
Adam: it?

843
00:25:47,392 --> 00:25:47,792
Inherited

844
00:25:47,952 --> 00:25:48,032
Ian: birthday.

845
00:25:48,032 --> 00:25:49,377
Can I just Clarify,

846
00:25:49,984 --> 00:25:50,494
She, isn't

847
00:25:50,494 --> 00:25:51,537
actually a though, is she?

848
00:25:51,537 --> 00:25:52,287
'cause she's died?

849
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:52,737
Adam: No,

850
00:25:52,737 --> 00:25:52,917
she

851
00:25:52,917 --> 00:25:53,247
has been

852
00:25:53,247 --> 00:25:54,469
dead for, the last

853
00:25:54,469 --> 00:25:55,219
few of those years.

854
00:25:55,347 --> 00:25:56,337
Ian: nevertheless, 'cause
I've been reading the

855
00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:57,064
papers and

856
00:25:57,297 --> 00:26:00,184
there's at least 27 new, biographies out

857
00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:00,657
and I just,

858
00:26:01,077 --> 00:26:01,287
none

859
00:26:01,287 --> 00:26:01,347
of

860
00:26:01,347 --> 00:26:01,467
them

861
00:26:01,467 --> 00:26:02,810
make it entirely clear.

862
00:26:03,034 --> 00:26:05,014
Helen: actually, as we've been on
Arian, it's been revealed that she's

863
00:26:05,187 --> 00:26:05,457
alive.

864
00:26:05,752 --> 00:26:06,082
Ian: Oh

865
00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:06,354
Adam: good.

866
00:26:06,354 --> 00:26:06,804
And she's

867
00:26:06,804 --> 00:26:07,074
here

868
00:26:07,167 --> 00:26:07,387
now?

869
00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:08,989
No.

870
00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:10,834
Saba: she's standing for which council

871
00:26:12,534 --> 00:26:13,702
Ian: Up Paddington?

872
00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:14,452
Adam: No,

873
00:26:14,452 --> 00:26:15,504
I think it's interesting actually.

874
00:26:15,504 --> 00:26:16,942
I mean 'cause we're now, now what?

875
00:26:16,942 --> 00:26:17,482
Four years?

876
00:26:17,482 --> 00:26:20,869
since since the Queen And
I have really noticed, I I.

877
00:26:21,112 --> 00:26:23,419
Change in tone of the
kind coverage, which a lot

878
00:26:23,419 --> 00:26:24,079
of it has come through.

879
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:26,119
We have the announcement this
week that the official is going

880
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:26,599
to be written.

881
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,059
a historian has been appointed
in that, a historian who

882
00:26:29,502 --> 00:26:31,069
wrote, best known for the book.

883
00:26:31,069 --> 00:26:33,462
She wrote about the,
interregnum, the, the, time when

884
00:26:33,462 --> 00:26:33,792
Cromwell

885
00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,239
was in charge, which is
quite an interesting, and

886
00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:36,569
Okay, that's the right, yeah.

887
00:26:37,152 --> 00:26:39,522
which is gonna be the really interesting
one 'cause she presumably will get access

888
00:26:39,522 --> 00:26:43,249
to all of those papers that otherwise
remain, locked up the bowels of Windsor,

889
00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:47,604
of Windsor Castle with the, The the terms
Valley Police kinda saying, could we have

890
00:26:47,604 --> 00:26:47,964
a look at them?

891
00:26:47,964 --> 00:26:48,492
'cause some stuff

892
00:26:48,504 --> 00:26:48,834
in there about

893
00:26:48,834 --> 00:26:49,314
Prince Andrew.

894
00:26:49,554 --> 00:26:49,794
Maybe

895
00:26:49,794 --> 00:26:50,844
she'll get access to them first.

896
00:26:50,844 --> 00:26:51,174
It'll be a bit

897
00:26:51,174 --> 00:26:51,684
of a race.

898
00:26:51,924 --> 00:26:53,412
But also there's a big Robert Hardman.

899
00:26:54,774 --> 00:26:55,374
how many

900
00:26:55,974 --> 00:26:57,624
Royal Books is Robert
Harden written by now?

901
00:26:58,314 --> 00:27:00,534
But this, one apparently is, his new take

902
00:27:00,534 --> 00:27:01,374
on the Queen and

903
00:27:01,482 --> 00:27:02,664
is a bit of a new take going on.

904
00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:06,924
I've, two I've really, noticed in, in,
in, Royal coverage just in the last few

905
00:27:06,924 --> 00:27:08,802
weeks is there seems to be a moment where.

906
00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:09,904
The

907
00:27:09,904 --> 00:27:13,534
columnists decided that Beatrice and
Eugenie were up for being criticized.

908
00:27:13,557 --> 00:27:14,794
They, it's always been a case of,

909
00:27:14,914 --> 00:27:15,184
you say

910
00:27:15,424 --> 00:27:17,314
whatever you about Andrew,
whatever you want about Fergie,

911
00:27:17,314 --> 00:27:19,834
but two princesses,
they, shouldn't be blamed

912
00:27:19,834 --> 00:27:20,764
for whatever their parents had done.

913
00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:21,117
And seemed

914
00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:24,432
to be literally one week
where suddenly Jan Moyer and,

915
00:27:25,444 --> 00:27:28,894
Helen: Janice Turner noticed that Eugenie
had one of those charities that has lots

916
00:27:28,894 --> 00:27:31,474
of big fundraising galas, but doesn't
seem to actually give out very much

917
00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:33,732
money to what you might term people who

918
00:27:33,732 --> 00:27:34,182
needed

919
00:27:34,272 --> 00:27:34,572
Adam: Yes.

920
00:27:34,572 --> 00:27:34,752
Yeah.

921
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,399
And in fact, I wrote a, think, I wrote
a column that says it was, the headline

922
00:27:37,399 --> 00:27:39,799
was something nice, just pull your
finger out usually or something, wasn't

923
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:39,889
it?

924
00:27:39,889 --> 00:27:40,549
Which was a

925
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:42,709
sort of tenor of royal coverage

926
00:27:42,709 --> 00:27:42,919
really.

927
00:27:43,467 --> 00:27:44,989
But the other thing that
I've noticed particularly I

928
00:27:45,139 --> 00:27:46,129
think this is about these new

929
00:27:46,129 --> 00:27:47,029
biographies, is that

930
00:27:47,097 --> 00:27:50,457
there is now a willingness to criticize
the queen for her role in bringing

931
00:27:50,457 --> 00:27:51,979
up Andrew and making him the that

932
00:27:51,979 --> 00:27:52,129
he.

933
00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:55,554
In a way that would've been completely
unthinkable directly after her death,

934
00:27:55,554 --> 00:28:00,804
when was very much veneration and,
and, and, and, and, and, a life of

935
00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:02,484
service and no criticism whatsoever.

936
00:28:02,694 --> 00:28:02,874
So

937
00:28:02,877 --> 00:28:05,874
there is kind of, change in, that.

938
00:28:05,877 --> 00:28:06,987
And I think it's really interesting.

939
00:28:07,134 --> 00:28:09,987
just looking, so I'm writing a book
at the moment, which is said in 1993

940
00:28:10,044 --> 00:28:10,842
at the, height

941
00:28:10,842 --> 00:28:13,374
of the War of the Wales
is, and the, difference.

942
00:28:13,709 --> 00:28:15,689
Even everything I'm
saying about Andrew now

943
00:28:15,689 --> 00:28:16,289
is that the

944
00:28:16,289 --> 00:28:17,639
tone of Royal reporting then

945
00:28:17,639 --> 00:28:18,959
was, was the point where we were

946
00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:23,481
getting royal phone calls recorded
and turning up with, Charles's

947
00:28:23,481 --> 00:28:28,024
mistress and Squidgy who was a Diana's
gentleman friend as well, which

948
00:28:28,071 --> 00:28:28,081
is.

949
00:28:28,751 --> 00:28:28,841
There

950
00:28:28,841 --> 00:28:31,121
was this extraordinary sort of
free for all in the tabloids for a

951
00:28:31,121 --> 00:28:31,331
while.

952
00:28:31,841 --> 00:28:35,764
then Princess Diana died, it flipped
back in you had that younger generation

953
00:28:35,764 --> 00:28:40,444
and a very much a feeling that the
intrusion into, Harry and, William's

954
00:28:40,451 --> 00:28:42,589
life was, completely unacceptable.

955
00:28:42,911 --> 00:28:45,934
And I just think it's slightly starting
to swing back in this direction.

956
00:28:45,934 --> 00:28:48,641
I think it's interesting as well as you
always have to look, particularly for us,

957
00:28:48,641 --> 00:28:48,851
is

958
00:28:49,414 --> 00:28:51,611
who's steering the stories
and what's going on there.

959
00:28:51,611 --> 00:28:55,391
And of course, there was always,
as fluky chronicled in the pages of

960
00:28:55,391 --> 00:28:56,261
private eye, a

961
00:28:56,464 --> 00:28:58,391
battle between, Prince

962
00:28:58,391 --> 00:29:01,519
Charles he then was in his kind of
press operation, which was run very,

963
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:02,659
separately from the Buckingham Palace

964
00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:03,379
Press operation.

965
00:29:03,889 --> 00:29:07,661
Yeah, And I don't think, I think there
might be some helpful doctrine going on in

966
00:29:07,661 --> 00:29:08,231
the King who

967
00:29:08,419 --> 00:29:10,301
really does seem to wash
his hands entirely of his

968
00:29:10,301 --> 00:29:10,811
little brother.

969
00:29:11,614 --> 00:29:13,151
just pushing things in the direction

970
00:29:13,151 --> 00:29:14,021
of, I

971
00:29:14,021 --> 00:29:18,331
mean you, did this in, in, in The Eye
quite recently in, it's not Sylvia Cism,

972
00:29:18,481 --> 00:29:18,601
it's

973
00:29:18,811 --> 00:29:19,831
Dam had his shoulders.

974
00:29:19,831 --> 00:29:19,891
no.

975
00:29:19,891 --> 00:29:20,131
Dame had

976
00:29:20,131 --> 00:29:20,551
his shoulders

977
00:29:20,629 --> 00:29:21,624
Ian: much, much younger

978
00:29:21,624 --> 00:29:21,744
and

979
00:29:21,744 --> 00:29:23,424
more, with it.

980
00:29:23,501 --> 00:29:24,101
Novelist.

981
00:29:25,651 --> 00:29:28,681
Adam: But, that that point that,
Charles actually probably has a

982
00:29:28,824 --> 00:29:32,454
resentments from childhood, which are,
coming out now in a kind of public

983
00:29:32,626 --> 00:29:32,806
Helen: forum,

984
00:29:32,866 --> 00:29:34,156
entitled is very good on that.

985
00:29:34,156 --> 00:29:38,026
The, Andrew Loey book about the fact
that Andrew was the kind of favorite son.

986
00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:39,564
His nickname from his mother was Baby

987
00:29:39,564 --> 00:29:41,656
Grumbling when she said, oh, really?

988
00:29:41,896 --> 00:29:43,696
I, think that's really
cute, but I can see it.

989
00:29:43,696 --> 00:29:44,356
Maybe it turned him

990
00:29:44,506 --> 00:29:44,536
Adam: a

991
00:29:44,664 --> 00:29:46,096
baby Grumblings the parishes,

992
00:29:46,156 --> 00:29:47,296
which was a cartoon strip

993
00:29:47,296 --> 00:29:49,104
in daily mirror back in the sixties.

994
00:29:49,606 --> 00:29:49,726
I

995
00:29:49,726 --> 00:29:50,184
never had

996
00:29:50,184 --> 00:29:50,514
her down

997
00:29:50,514 --> 00:29:50,694
as a

998
00:29:50,694 --> 00:29:51,354
mirror reader.

999
00:29:51,594 --> 00:29:51,864
Oh.

1000
00:29:51,864 --> 00:29:52,074
She

1001
00:29:52,074 --> 00:29:52,194
was

1002
00:29:52,194 --> 00:29:53,334
a lifelong socialist.

1003
00:29:54,504 --> 00:29:56,244
She called Phil Andy Ka behind his back.

1004
00:29:57,961 --> 00:29:58,531
Saba: Poor old Andy.

1005
00:29:59,011 --> 00:30:02,034
he's been, invited to
rescind his freedom of the

1006
00:30:02,034 --> 00:30:02,821
city of London.

1007
00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:04,996
By the corporation of London recently

1008
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,369
Adam: So no more driving

1009
00:30:06,369 --> 00:30:06,429
a

1010
00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:06,909
sheep over

1011
00:30:06,909 --> 00:30:07,359
Saba: the London Bridge.

1012
00:30:07,516 --> 00:30:07,809
Exactly.

1013
00:30:07,809 --> 00:30:08,319
He's lost

1014
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:09,039
that privilege.

1015
00:30:09,879 --> 00:30:11,409
Adam: what more can
they take away from him?

1016
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:13,636
Saba: It's the final straw, isn't it?

1017
00:30:14,311 --> 00:30:14,821
Helen: she straw.

1018
00:30:14,881 --> 00:30:15,211
Yes.

1019
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:15,519
Thank

1020
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:15,669
you.

1021
00:30:15,995 --> 00:30:16,445
Ian: flunky.

1022
00:30:17,338 --> 00:30:21,230
Ended up saying that, one of the few
people who'd spotted that Mandelson

1023
00:30:21,238 --> 00:30:23,458
was up to no good was the king.

1024
00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:26,300
I thought that must have
been unhappy reading for ke

1025
00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:32,338
you are in touch with what's
going on than the king.

1026
00:30:32,578 --> 00:30:35,855
Adam: he specifically said that the, that,
Mandelson and, the king were quite good

1027
00:30:35,855 --> 00:30:37,385
mates one point in the sort of nineties.

1028
00:30:37,385 --> 00:30:41,415
But even his majesty spotted that after
the first resignation, this was a slightly

1029
00:30:41,415 --> 00:30:42,712
dubious person to be hanging around

1030
00:30:42,712 --> 00:30:42,952
with.

1031
00:30:42,952 --> 00:30:43,432
And the

1032
00:30:43,432 --> 00:30:46,852
second of group definitely,
con, made that concrete for him.

1033
00:30:46,852 --> 00:30:47,212
But,

1034
00:30:47,872 --> 00:30:48,232
There you

1035
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,450
go.

1036
00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:49,590
Once again, developed vetting.

1037
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:50,010
Should have had a

1038
00:30:50,017 --> 00:30:50,280
word.

1039
00:30:50,297 --> 00:30:50,587
Ian: Yeah.

1040
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,330
Adam: Yep.

1041
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:51,660
There we go.

1042
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,410
Alright.

1043
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,352
what we haven't got is buzzers

1044
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:55,252
here, so

1045
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:56,430
I'm gonna give you each a sound

1046
00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:56,760
Oh.

1047
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:56,940
So you

1048
00:30:57,082 --> 00:30:57,562
jump in.

1049
00:30:58,462 --> 00:31:01,042
Helen, I would like you to
give when you know the answer.

1050
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:03,000
a, herald's trumpet.

1051
00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:04,650
Perfect.

1052
00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:05,010
Saba: Thank you.

1053
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:05,340
So good

1054
00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:05,610
Adam: Sab.

1055
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:07,260
And we have a loyal hooray from you?

1056
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:07,380
Hooray.

1057
00:31:07,717 --> 00:31:09,082
Saba: hooray No.

1058
00:31:09,137 --> 00:31:09,537
A bit high pitch.

1059
00:31:09,592 --> 00:31:09,622
A

1060
00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:10,702
Adam: bit more than that.

1061
00:31:10,882 --> 00:31:11,062
Oh

1062
00:31:11,062 --> 00:31:11,242
yeah.

1063
00:31:11,242 --> 00:31:11,452
That's

1064
00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:11,872
perfect.

1065
00:31:11,872 --> 00:31:12,235
That's brilliant.

1066
00:31:12,825 --> 00:31:13,115
more

1067
00:31:13,115 --> 00:31:13,475
Bandley.

1068
00:31:13,665 --> 00:31:13,955
Saba: Yeah.

1069
00:31:14,512 --> 00:31:14,752
Adam: Ian,

1070
00:31:14,752 --> 00:31:16,912
if your buzzer sound can be a, fervent,

1071
00:31:17,105 --> 00:31:17,242
Ian: God

1072
00:31:17,242 --> 00:31:17,512
bless

1073
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:17,640
Adam: your

1074
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,090
mom.

1075
00:31:18,287 --> 00:31:18,447
Helen: Yes.

1076
00:31:19,072 --> 00:31:20,032
Ian: What de delivered

1077
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:20,670
Adam: in in

1078
00:31:20,992 --> 00:31:23,400
Ian: the accent of, what?

1079
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:23,820
Dick Van

1080
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:24,090
Dy.

1081
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:24,360
Full

1082
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:24,911
Adam: Pearl king.

1083
00:31:25,027 --> 00:31:25,117
I

1084
00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:25,567
want there.

1085
00:31:25,615 --> 00:31:25,835
Dr.

1086
00:31:25,897 --> 00:31:26,297
Saba: cap as well.

1087
00:31:27,522 --> 00:31:27,812
Adam: Yeah.

1088
00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:28,777
absolutely.

1089
00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:32,467
question one, come when you know the
answer with your, appropriate noise.

1090
00:31:32,767 --> 00:31:36,090
The queen spoke the first
ever photo bubble on a private

1091
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:37,657
eye cover in issue five,

1092
00:31:38,287 --> 00:31:38,407
or

1093
00:31:38,407 --> 00:31:40,620
at least the bubble was coming
out of the Royal State coach.

1094
00:31:40,627 --> 00:31:41,257
So we're assuming it

1095
00:31:41,257 --> 00:31:41,557
was her.

1096
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:43,230
What was the occasion?

1097
00:31:44,137 --> 00:31:44,550
And I tell, oh

1098
00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:45,390
Ian: God bless you, mom.

1099
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:45,960
Adam: Go on man.

1100
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:49,950
Ian: It was the birth of Prince
Charles and she was on the way to the

1101
00:31:49,957 --> 00:31:50,497
hospital.

1102
00:31:51,145 --> 00:31:51,997
Adam: few years too late.

1103
00:31:52,027 --> 00:31:53,197
Birth of Prince Edward comes

1104
00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:53,820
shortly

1105
00:31:53,857 --> 00:31:54,457
afterwards, but

1106
00:31:54,457 --> 00:31:55,087
Charles has been around.

1107
00:31:55,267 --> 00:31:56,077
Charles is actually

1108
00:31:56,077 --> 00:31:56,887
13,

1109
00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:59,647
but I'm gonna give you half a
point because he was in hospital,

1110
00:31:59,707 --> 00:32:03,427
he was an emergency appendectomy
and the the speech bubble coming

1111
00:32:03,427 --> 00:32:04,657
outta the royal coach was saying,

1112
00:32:04,696 --> 00:32:05,497
great Warman Street

1113
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,600
PE - HOST 2 SHOT: James, and step on it.

1114
00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:09,157
Adam: yes.

1115
00:32:09,157 --> 00:32:09,397
Yeah.

1116
00:32:09,615 --> 00:32:13,545
the coverage of, Prince Edward's
birth a bit later on in 1963.

1117
00:32:13,545 --> 00:32:15,784
And, princess Anne starting
at Bennington as well,

1118
00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:18,484
just just gives you an idea of how
long private eye has been going.

1119
00:32:18,941 --> 00:32:21,904
We were covering the royal
children who are now, grandparents.

1120
00:32:21,904 --> 00:32:22,504
It's extraordinary.

1121
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:26,884
Number one of the earliest bits of
journalism in the eye, 'cause the

1122
00:32:26,891 --> 00:32:28,001
jokes came first in private eye.

1123
00:32:28,061 --> 00:32:29,674
The journalism joined a few later in the

1124
00:32:29,674 --> 00:32:30,304
1960s.

1125
00:32:30,791 --> 00:32:32,231
one of the first bits of
journalism appeared, high was

1126
00:32:32,231 --> 00:32:35,854
in November, 1964, and it wasn't
the eye's own journalism instead.

1127
00:32:36,394 --> 00:32:36,454
It

1128
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:40,324
was a roundup of what French and German
papers were saying about what particular

1129
00:32:40,646 --> 00:32:42,146
scandal uncovered in the British

1130
00:32:42,146 --> 00:32:42,506
media.

1131
00:32:42,506 --> 00:32:43,166
Helen: Which year again?

1132
00:32:43,556 --> 00:32:44,426
Adam: 1964.

1133
00:32:45,528 --> 00:32:46,916
Ian: Oh God bless mom.

1134
00:32:47,306 --> 00:32:47,906
Adam: Go on, sir.

1135
00:32:48,566 --> 00:32:49,466
Ian: Was it Profumo?

1136
00:32:50,696 --> 00:32:52,113
Adam: no, it's, this is post profumo.

1137
00:32:52,956 --> 00:32:53,223
it's, a

1138
00:32:53,516 --> 00:32:54,086
bit vague.

1139
00:32:54,086 --> 00:32:54,266
Yeah, go on.

1140
00:32:54,266 --> 00:32:54,356
Was

1141
00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:54,446
PE - HOST 2 SHOT: there

1142
00:32:54,446 --> 00:32:57,596
Helen: one involving ships quite
often they'd involve or helicopters?

1143
00:32:58,841 --> 00:33:01,511
Adam: no, not this one particular,
there was a lot of stuff about Prince

1144
00:33:01,511 --> 00:33:03,401
Philip, flying helicopters safety.

1145
00:33:03,401 --> 00:33:03,671
he was.

1146
00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:06,408
Yeah, Never safe behind
the wheel of a car either.

1147
00:33:07,121 --> 00:33:07,901
do you wanna come in with a wild

1148
00:33:07,908 --> 00:33:08,238
gas?

1149
00:33:09,168 --> 00:33:09,948
go, with Prince Philip?

1150
00:33:10,128 --> 00:33:10,278
Great.

1151
00:33:10,548 --> 00:33:10,848
Yeah,

1152
00:33:11,193 --> 00:33:11,733
Saba: Rah.

1153
00:33:11,763 --> 00:33:12,033
That's what I

1154
00:33:12,168 --> 00:33:12,498
Adam: actually.

1155
00:33:13,308 --> 00:33:13,458
It was.

1156
00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:13,608
The way.

1157
00:33:13,608 --> 00:33:13,998
You did eye

1158
00:33:14,439 --> 00:33:14,763
Helen: to honest.

1159
00:33:14,778 --> 00:33:15,013
Adam: did that.

1160
00:33:15,053 --> 00:33:15,253
I was

1161
00:33:15,253 --> 00:33:15,373
Quite

1162
00:33:15,824 --> 00:33:16,173
Saba: meaningful.

1163
00:33:16,421 --> 00:33:19,181
Was it something to do with some,
with one of the royals going out with

1164
00:33:19,181 --> 00:33:22,031
someone who wasn't quite up to scratch?

1165
00:33:22,061 --> 00:33:22,151
Adam: You

1166
00:33:22,151 --> 00:33:22,541
could definitely

1167
00:33:22,541 --> 00:33:22,661
get

1168
00:33:22,661 --> 00:33:22,901
half a point.

1169
00:33:22,901 --> 00:33:23,231
How was

1170
00:33:23,231 --> 00:33:23,681
Saba: Margaret?

1171
00:33:23,688 --> 00:33:24,103
Ian: was it No.

1172
00:33:24,948 --> 00:33:26,456
Adam: it was It

1173
00:33:26,456 --> 00:33:27,806
was implications

1174
00:33:27,986 --> 00:33:31,518
that he was, let me give you the
translations that were provided.

1175
00:33:31,766 --> 00:33:33,078
Stop from the papers.

1176
00:33:33,866 --> 00:33:37,946
Lavan Elizabeth is spending nights alone
while Prince Philip sips champagne with

1177
00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:39,686
girls from a ballet troupe in Mexico.

1178
00:33:39,686 --> 00:33:40,166
He was.

1179
00:33:40,346 --> 00:33:43,283
To be fair on a royal
trip to Mexico by himself.

1180
00:33:43,283 --> 00:33:45,581
At that point, it wasn't that he'd
just they'd an argument he stormed

1181
00:33:45,581 --> 00:33:46,703
out and gone all the way to Mexico.

1182
00:33:47,171 --> 00:33:48,353
it was solo nine day tour.

1183
00:33:49,043 --> 00:33:51,941
but according to the French press
as reported at this point in

1184
00:33:51,941 --> 00:33:58,991
private eye in 1964, Elizabeth
was Ris Ris Always alone, was sad.

1185
00:33:59,711 --> 00:34:00,468
she cannot go on.

1186
00:34:00,468 --> 00:34:02,688
She has decided to support
no more of it in future.

1187
00:34:02,861 --> 00:34:05,298
She's on the edge of a nervous
breakdown on the brink of the abyss.

1188
00:34:05,508 --> 00:34:07,451
She's longer our proud and haughty queen.

1189
00:34:07,451 --> 00:34:08,598
She did manage to carry on

1190
00:34:08,598 --> 00:34:08,808
for

1191
00:34:09,307 --> 00:34:13,601
several decades after that apparent in
apparently happy marriage good on the

1192
00:34:13,601 --> 00:34:14,081
Ian: royals.

1193
00:34:15,216 --> 00:34:15,296
Adam: Interesting.

1194
00:34:15,498 --> 00:34:18,311
bit like, do you remember
the, the National Enquirer

1195
00:34:18,401 --> 00:34:19,571
for Aiders for about 10 years?

1196
00:34:19,571 --> 00:34:21,408
Just kept running, a
headline that just said.

1197
00:34:21,907 --> 00:34:25,610
queen Elizabeth at Death's door, which is
when those headlines eventually gonna be

1198
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:28,040
true and eventually was of course in 2022.

1199
00:34:28,161 --> 00:34:30,488
Can I just give you the
last tiny beautiful detail

1200
00:34:30,488 --> 00:34:34,491
from this, apparently, according
to the French press, the queen was

1201
00:34:34,491 --> 00:34:38,533
haunted by plaintiff inquiries of her
little Prince Andrew naively asking,

1202
00:34:38,991 --> 00:34:41,421
PE - HOST 2 SHOT: tell me Mama,
is it the Mexico that papa is?

1203
00:34:43,026 --> 00:34:43,393
Adam: there go.

1204
00:34:44,083 --> 00:34:44,373
Helen: Like

1205
00:34:44,563 --> 00:34:44,853
Yoda.

1206
00:34:46,873 --> 00:34:47,023
Adam: I

1207
00:34:47,181 --> 00:34:47,871
he lost something in

1208
00:34:47,871 --> 00:34:48,321
translation

1209
00:34:48,321 --> 00:34:48,471
There is

1210
00:34:48,471 --> 00:34:50,121
Ian: something about royal reporting that

1211
00:34:50,128 --> 00:34:51,388
encourages total

1212
00:34:51,763 --> 00:34:52,213
Adam: Yes.

1213
00:34:52,431 --> 00:34:52,851
Make

1214
00:34:52,851 --> 00:34:53,181
it up.

1215
00:34:53,181 --> 00:34:53,331
then.

1216
00:34:53,331 --> 00:34:53,631
I'm gonna

1217
00:34:53,631 --> 00:34:53,961
deny

1218
00:34:53,961 --> 00:34:54,021
it.

1219
00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:56,623
Number three, the

1220
00:34:56,623 --> 00:34:57,013
big one.

1221
00:34:57,013 --> 00:34:58,071
Who the Queen?

1222
00:34:58,071 --> 00:34:58,551
Brenda?

1223
00:34:59,862 --> 00:35:00,852
Helen: I'm gonna go Willy Rushton.

1224
00:35:00,852 --> 00:35:01,820
'cause he feels like he did a

1225
00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:02,390
lot of naming.

1226
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:04,160
Adam: not Will, not Willy Rushton, no.

1227
00:35:04,491 --> 00:35:05,401
Ian: Was it Prince Philip?

1228
00:35:06,741 --> 00:35:06,891
Adam: God

1229
00:35:06,891 --> 00:35:07,408
bless you, sir.

1230
00:35:08,218 --> 00:35:08,418
Ian: God bless God.

1231
00:35:08,423 --> 00:35:09,238
God bless you, sir.

1232
00:35:09,568 --> 00:35:09,928
Adam: no, it

1233
00:35:09,928 --> 00:35:10,258
wasn't.

1234
00:35:10,438 --> 00:35:11,391
and it wasn't private eye.

1235
00:35:11,391 --> 00:35:13,851
Even though we've been, we've adopted the
nickname and we've been using ever since.

1236
00:35:13,851 --> 00:35:17,818
According to the grovel column, which
was weird society column that private

1237
00:35:17,818 --> 00:35:19,588
eye ran in the seventies, 1971.

1238
00:35:19,768 --> 00:35:22,318
it reported that it a nickname
used by her immediate staff.

1239
00:35:22,348 --> 00:35:25,378
So actually a genuine nickname
within the palace, which was

1240
00:35:25,378 --> 00:35:27,088
then, adopted by Private Eye.

1241
00:35:27,628 --> 00:35:29,758
a years later, they
added a couple of others.

1242
00:35:30,088 --> 00:35:30,778
the obvious one.

1243
00:35:31,353 --> 00:35:32,703
Prince Charles, Brian King.

1244
00:35:32,703 --> 00:35:32,880
Yeah.

1245
00:35:33,003 --> 00:35:33,663
N knows Brian.

1246
00:35:33,663 --> 00:35:34,503
Still known as Brian.

1247
00:35:34,623 --> 00:35:35,961
Still people online.

1248
00:35:35,973 --> 00:35:38,043
Never anyone puts any of
our stories up online.

1249
00:35:38,553 --> 00:35:39,261
Who Brian?

1250
00:35:39,261 --> 00:35:39,351
What

1251
00:35:39,351 --> 00:35:39,501
is this?

1252
00:35:39,501 --> 00:35:41,301
Yeah, he's the king.

1253
00:35:41,961 --> 00:35:43,251
also had, princess Margaret.

1254
00:35:43,401 --> 00:35:44,001
Anyone guess what?

1255
00:35:44,013 --> 00:35:44,403
She was known

1256
00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:44,613
as?

1257
00:35:44,613 --> 00:35:44,673
vo.

1258
00:35:44,721 --> 00:35:45,231
Helen: Yvonne.

1259
00:35:45,318 --> 00:35:46,641
Adam: Oh, very good.

1260
00:35:46,701 --> 00:35:47,343
You, I've been reading

1261
00:35:47,343 --> 00:35:48,003
past issues.

1262
00:35:48,453 --> 00:35:52,011
And you remember what the nickname,
courtiers gave to Diana when she

1263
00:35:52,011 --> 00:35:53,721
joined the Royal Family in 1981 Was.

1264
00:35:55,793 --> 00:35:57,756
Helen: I believe it to be
Cheryl, or is it Cheryl,

1265
00:35:57,898 --> 00:35:58,228
Adam: you've

1266
00:35:58,228 --> 00:35:58,978
been cheating.

1267
00:35:58,978 --> 00:35:59,128
You

1268
00:35:59,128 --> 00:35:59,338
knew

1269
00:35:59,338 --> 00:35:59,548
this

1270
00:35:59,548 --> 00:35:59,818
quiz

1271
00:35:59,968 --> 00:36:00,298
Ian: coming

1272
00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:01,393
Helen: up, I just did

1273
00:36:01,481 --> 00:36:02,496
A little oh, she's just a

1274
00:36:02,496 --> 00:36:02,646
royal.

1275
00:36:02,646 --> 00:36:02,869
Adam: Alright.

1276
00:36:02,983 --> 00:36:08,419
You're not gonna get this one in, 20,
18 fluky that the nickname for, Harry

1277
00:36:08,419 --> 00:36:09,829
and Meghan within the royal household.

1278
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:10,578
Can you remember that one?

1279
00:36:14,167 --> 00:36:15,877
Helen: I'm just going through
Famous two soon, I'm like, I've

1280
00:36:15,885 --> 00:36:16,005
got

1281
00:36:16,082 --> 00:36:16,302
Saba: Ben.

1282
00:36:16,941 --> 00:36:17,421
Helen: benefit.

1283
00:36:17,862 --> 00:36:17,931
Adam: no,

1284
00:36:17,931 --> 00:36:18,314
Is it Is it

1285
00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:18,834
Beck?

1286
00:36:19,174 --> 00:36:19,394
No.

1287
00:36:19,581 --> 00:36:19,731
That

1288
00:36:19,731 --> 00:36:20,271
would be quite a good

1289
00:36:20,271 --> 00:36:20,421
one

1290
00:36:20,429 --> 00:36:20,669
as well.

1291
00:36:20,669 --> 00:36:20,819
No.

1292
00:36:20,819 --> 00:36:20,829
it

1293
00:36:21,089 --> 00:36:21,329
Helen: Perky,

1294
00:36:21,711 --> 00:36:24,584
Adam: Chandler and Monica on the
grounds that he was a bit weird

1295
00:36:24,584 --> 00:36:27,524
and married someone much hotter
than him with very, firm ideas.

1296
00:36:28,011 --> 00:36:28,491
Helen: That's actually,

1297
00:36:28,574 --> 00:36:29,324
that's not bad.

1298
00:36:29,961 --> 00:36:34,101
Adam: I think it lost out because h
and m works as well, they're nice.

1299
00:36:34,101 --> 00:36:34,816
High street clothes, shore.

1300
00:36:34,986 --> 00:36:35,206
Helen: hbo.

1301
00:36:36,216 --> 00:36:36,726
Sorry to

1302
00:36:36,771 --> 00:36:38,241
Adam: that's the, oh, Charlotte Griffiths

1303
00:36:38,241 --> 00:36:38,481
has come

1304
00:36:38,504 --> 00:36:38,654
back

1305
00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:38,894
into the

1306
00:36:39,009 --> 00:36:39,129
room.

1307
00:36:40,041 --> 00:36:41,129
A reprise of Orange,

1308
00:36:41,629 --> 00:36:41,889
Ian: I'm afraid.

1309
00:36:41,889 --> 00:36:44,406
List was of, the podcast were rather,

1310
00:36:44,406 --> 00:36:45,765
confused because

1311
00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:46,357
was so

1312
00:36:46,395 --> 00:36:47,055
realistic.

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00:36:47,295 --> 00:36:48,855
The rendering of the transcript.

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00:36:48,885 --> 00:36:49,965
They thought we'd hired

1315
00:36:50,257 --> 00:36:52,267
Harry and Charlotte
Griffiths to come and do this

1316
00:36:52,267 --> 00:36:52,657
podcast.

1317
00:36:52,657 --> 00:36:53,017
Adam: Sadly, we

1318
00:36:53,017 --> 00:36:55,117
can't afford Prince Harry, but we
can't afford Charlotte Griffiths.

1319
00:36:55,207 --> 00:36:56,788
She shall just far too much Okay.

1320
00:36:56,788 --> 00:37:00,455
In March, 2016 when Michael Gove was
forced to deny being the source of a

1321
00:37:00,455 --> 00:37:04,438
claim, that ended up on front page of the
Sun as the headline queen backs Brexit.

1322
00:37:04,918 --> 00:37:08,248
The, I ran a cover of Her Majesty at
the state, opening parliament facing

1323
00:37:08,248 --> 00:37:11,975
a RO row of officials, including
Michael Gove, the speech bubble from

1324
00:37:12,155 --> 00:37:15,508
off page saying just point to the
person who did it, your Majesty.

1325
00:37:16,078 --> 00:37:16,408
What

1326
00:37:16,528 --> 00:37:20,135
special news did we receive via palace
back channels after that cover came out,

1327
00:37:20,508 --> 00:37:21,348
Helen: Oh, presumably she loved it.

1328
00:37:21,348 --> 00:37:24,611
She had to in her little box that
she used to get and watch and

1329
00:37:24,611 --> 00:37:24,719
read.

1330
00:37:24,731 --> 00:37:25,961
Adam: She absolutely did.

1331
00:37:25,961 --> 00:37:26,321
Yes.

1332
00:37:26,321 --> 00:37:26,561
Yeah.

1333
00:37:27,551 --> 00:37:29,718
this, is this message in full,
which came through to us.

1334
00:37:29,868 --> 00:37:32,351
The front cover of current eye was
included in the cutting, sent up

1335
00:37:32,351 --> 00:37:36,504
to the Queen most days, and didn't
return, which means that it made

1336
00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:38,311
it into her personal scrapbook.

1337
00:37:38,731 --> 00:37:38,851
She

1338
00:37:39,084 --> 00:37:42,211
cartoons and send up even the
unkind ones if she finds them funny.

1339
00:37:42,721 --> 00:37:43,164
So you

1340
00:37:43,164 --> 00:37:43,404
go.

1341
00:37:43,494 --> 00:37:44,244
You've got a fan, Ian.

1342
00:37:44,874 --> 00:37:45,984
Ian: just like George ii,

1343
00:37:46,696 --> 00:37:48,324
Helen: did he have a personal
scrapbook of private eye

1344
00:37:48,324 --> 00:37:48,594
covers?

1345
00:37:49,171 --> 00:37:49,351
Ian: he

1346
00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:49,756
Helen: did.

1347
00:37:49,756 --> 00:37:49,816
It

1348
00:37:49,816 --> 00:37:50,236
was some my

1349
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:51,309
Ian: of our first issues.

1350
00:37:51,949 --> 00:37:52,069
Very,

1351
00:37:52,099 --> 00:37:53,269
Helen: best woodcuts were in

1352
00:37:53,269 --> 00:37:53,949
there, so

1353
00:37:54,149 --> 00:37:54,309
somewhat

1354
00:37:54,329 --> 00:37:54,549
Ian: he

1355
00:37:54,549 --> 00:37:57,691
bought a lot of cartoons of himself and

1356
00:37:57,691 --> 00:37:57,991
his son.

1357
00:37:58,314 --> 00:37:58,494
He

1358
00:37:58,494 --> 00:37:58,974
did, yes.

1359
00:37:58,974 --> 00:38:01,074
He had a very good collection.

1360
00:38:01,344 --> 00:38:02,814
He rather liked being
called Farmer George.

1361
00:38:02,814 --> 00:38:03,954
Didn't He He liked it as a nickname?

1362
00:38:03,954 --> 00:38:04,764
Yes, he did

1363
00:38:04,801 --> 00:38:08,641
because he was not unlike the present
king in that he was very interested

1364
00:38:08,664 --> 00:38:11,064
in agriculture when everyone
else thought it was boring.

1365
00:38:11,273 --> 00:38:13,770
Saba: I like the idea of the
queen being a, some kind of

1366
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:15,270
super predator of private art.

1367
00:38:15,443 --> 00:38:16,590
got own versions in

1368
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:16,680
her

1369
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,130
scrapbook.

1370
00:38:17,178 --> 00:38:17,357
Yeah.

1371
00:38:17,458 --> 00:38:17,938
Ian: with only the

1372
00:38:17,945 --> 00:38:18,025
Saba: good

1373
00:38:18,215 --> 00:38:18,505
ones.

1374
00:38:19,158 --> 00:38:19,818
All about her.

1375
00:38:21,203 --> 00:38:22,043
Not much Andrew

1376
00:38:23,783 --> 00:38:25,170
Adam: Probably lots about
Andrew and hardly anything about

1377
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:26,340
Charles, I think actually.

1378
00:38:27,143 --> 00:38:27,443
this is what

1379
00:38:27,443 --> 00:38:28,763
we'll find out from
the official biography.

1380
00:38:28,763 --> 00:38:31,583
Presumably someone would be allowed to
look in that scrapbook and confirm that

1381
00:38:31,583 --> 00:38:31,733
this

1382
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:31,853
is

1383
00:38:31,853 --> 00:38:32,093
true,

1384
00:38:32,218 --> 00:38:34,780
Ian: but, the Brexit story has
appeared in the Hardman, hasn't it?

1385
00:38:34,892 --> 00:38:35,162
Adam: Yeah.

1386
00:38:35,162 --> 00:38:36,767
And is also being counterman.

1387
00:38:36,767 --> 00:38:40,817
Now, we ran recently, the ran ape saying
she was spectator edited by Michael

1388
00:38:40,817 --> 00:38:44,747
Go ran ape saying, she was actually
extremely anti Brexit and pro Europe.

1389
00:38:44,801 --> 00:38:46,749
Helen: so she was antis
Scottish referendum.

1390
00:38:46,757 --> 00:38:50,349
If you remember David Cameron said she
pur down phone to him when she found

1391
00:38:50,357 --> 00:38:50,957
out that the union had

1392
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:51,549
together.

1393
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,369
but I remember when I used to a
podcast with Stephen Bush, now at

1394
00:38:54,369 --> 00:38:58,157
the ft he pointed out demographically
she was a white pensioner without

1395
00:38:58,157 --> 00:39:00,262
a college degree that says Brexit.

1396
00:39:02,942 --> 00:39:03,092
Adam: Yeah.

1397
00:39:03,092 --> 00:39:05,799
A lot of relatives from
the continent she had some

1398
00:39:05,889 --> 00:39:05,979
Helen: yeah.

1399
00:39:05,979 --> 00:39:08,649
But a lot of people in Spain
as expats voted for Brexit.

1400
00:39:08,649 --> 00:39:08,979
So the

1401
00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:09,159
fact

1402
00:39:09,272 --> 00:39:09,932
was green, then she wore the

1403
00:39:09,932 --> 00:39:11,394
Ian: blue and yellow outfit

1404
00:39:11,672 --> 00:39:11,882
Helen: Yeah.

1405
00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:14,582
For Ukraine though, was that Oh,
no, that was the one with the,

1406
00:39:15,069 --> 00:39:15,594
with the stars.

1407
00:39:15,999 --> 00:39:16,192
Yeah.

1408
00:39:16,779 --> 00:39:18,212
The, flowers that like star, which

1409
00:39:18,212 --> 00:39:19,262
Adam: I think is definitive,

1410
00:39:19,412 --> 00:39:19,712
Helen: Right.

1411
00:39:19,802 --> 00:39:19,952
Adam: But.

1412
00:39:20,019 --> 00:39:20,619
Helen: Case close.

1413
00:39:21,797 --> 00:39:22,547
Will there be more,

1414
00:39:22,697 --> 00:39:22,877
Adam,

1415
00:39:22,877 --> 00:39:25,817
Adam: there is one more question,
which I suspect, Ian might

1416
00:39:25,817 --> 00:39:27,364
get ahead of the, other two

1417
00:39:27,364 --> 00:39:27,604
of you.

1418
00:39:28,384 --> 00:39:31,937
we'll go with in the same year, an
even better cover in July of New

1419
00:39:32,164 --> 00:39:36,154
Minister doing the most extraordinarily
low curie, almost way down to

1420
00:39:36,154 --> 00:39:37,294
the floor, as the queen

1421
00:39:37,427 --> 00:39:40,637
to her, how low can your gal and
Theresa May replied, I've appointed

1422
00:39:40,637 --> 00:39:42,244
Boris Johnson as foreign secretary.

1423
00:39:43,059 --> 00:39:43,967
Whose joke was that

1424
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:44,694
Ian: Who wrote

1425
00:39:44,804 --> 00:39:44,884
Helen: one?

1426
00:39:46,302 --> 00:39:46,487
Adam: Ian?

1427
00:39:46,487 --> 00:39:46,697
Whose

1428
00:39:46,697 --> 00:39:46,877
joke

1429
00:39:46,877 --> 00:39:47,027
Was

1430
00:39:47,027 --> 00:39:47,147
it

1431
00:39:47,147 --> 00:39:47,477
really

1432
00:39:47,927 --> 00:39:48,497
Ian: Sheila's?

1433
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:49,119
Adam: Yes.

1434
00:39:49,959 --> 00:39:50,169
Was

1435
00:39:50,169 --> 00:39:53,297
this the one occasion where the
managing director of private eyes,

1436
00:39:53,297 --> 00:39:54,587
didn't, this is the joke for the cover.

1437
00:39:54,707 --> 00:39:55,007
Ian: Yes.

1438
00:39:55,007 --> 00:39:55,097
And

1439
00:39:55,179 --> 00:39:57,756
was very annoying 'cause
it was incredibly funny.

1440
00:39:57,939 --> 00:39:58,059
Great.

1441
00:39:59,019 --> 00:40:03,354
and Sheila was essentially, The
managing director of Private Die for

1442
00:40:03,354 --> 00:40:09,084
about 300 years since George ii, and
her job was to try and keep this thing

1443
00:40:09,272 --> 00:40:12,122
afloat, not to provide
better jokes than me.

1444
00:40:12,482 --> 00:40:14,732
Adam: her involvement on covers usually
was come down and see what you're putting

1445
00:40:14,882 --> 00:40:16,892
Monday go, not the Prime Minister again.

1446
00:40:16,899 --> 00:40:18,242
That's 10,000

1447
00:40:18,242 --> 00:40:18,632
sales

1448
00:40:18,632 --> 00:40:18,812
we've

1449
00:40:18,812 --> 00:40:19,232
lost,

1450
00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:21,234
Ian: not

1451
00:40:21,272 --> 00:40:21,362
Adam: on

1452
00:40:21,362 --> 00:40:21,512
this

1453
00:40:21,512 --> 00:40:21,962
occasion.

1454
00:40:22,562 --> 00:40:22,742
Ian: no.

1455
00:40:22,742 --> 00:40:23,852
She hit the jackpot.

1456
00:40:24,549 --> 00:40:24,909
Adam: Brilliant.

1457
00:40:25,532 --> 00:40:28,899
I, on, as a result of that,
I can, reveal that, Helen.

1458
00:40:29,687 --> 00:40:34,217
the regal nod of approval, the sword
on both shoulders and, whatever medal

1459
00:40:34,217 --> 00:40:35,267
you would like to take home with you.

1460
00:40:35,297 --> 00:40:35,477
Yeah,

1461
00:40:35,919 --> 00:40:37,749
Helen: I don't think I've ever
won a private quiz before.

1462
00:40:37,757 --> 00:40:38,062
This is

1463
00:40:38,062 --> 00:40:38,582
very exciting

1464
00:40:38,712 --> 00:40:38,822
to

1465
00:40:38,822 --> 00:40:38,902
Adam: me.

1466
00:40:39,022 --> 00:40:39,262
I know.

1467
00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:39,909
Helen: just felt sorry

1468
00:40:39,947 --> 00:40:40,097
Adam: for No,

1469
00:40:40,097 --> 00:40:40,337
news.

1470
00:40:40,337 --> 00:40:41,537
Ian got far more questions

1471
00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:41,739
right

1472
00:40:41,739 --> 00:40:41,949
than you,

1473
00:40:43,127 --> 00:40:43,217
but

1474
00:40:43,217 --> 00:40:43,367
it's

1475
00:40:43,569 --> 00:40:44,957
traditionally always loses on the tele.

1476
00:40:47,147 --> 00:40:47,507
Helen: Finally,

1477
00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:48,639
rigging works in my favor.

1478
00:40:49,059 --> 00:40:50,979
that is it for this episode of page 94.

1479
00:40:50,979 --> 00:40:54,729
We'll be back in a fortnight,
with one possibly involving Andy.

1480
00:40:54,879 --> 00:40:58,839
Until then, thank you to Saba, Adam, and
Ian, and thank you to you for listening.

1481
00:40:59,019 --> 00:41:02,319
If you'd like to get more joke stories,
pictures of the Queen, actually, probably

1482
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:03,587
not pictures of the Queen anymore.

1483
00:41:04,339 --> 00:41:07,039
Maybe a small amount, then,
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1484
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,069
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1485
00:41:10,399 --> 00:41:12,079
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1486
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:13,489
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1487
00:41:13,489 --> 00:41:13,789
Great.

1488
00:41:13,879 --> 00:41:14,929
The only remaining thanks.

1489
00:41:14,929 --> 00:41:17,629
Go to Matt Hill at Rethink for producing.

1490
00:41:17,869 --> 00:41:17,989
See you.

1491
00:41:18,077 --> 00:41:18,527
See you.