00:00.02
Talal K
thing was.

00:04.15
Talal K
Yes, I remember.

00:06.85
alexei sayle
It's a very high angle. It's

00:13.05
Talal K
I didn't see, I was reading. It looks good, you look like ah you you look like a Twitch streamer.

00:15.75
alexei sayle
still fairly high.

00:19.31
alexei sayle
No, it's not a good is not good thing. All

00:21.11
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, like the kids playing video games, that's the angle they use.

00:23.59
alexei sayle
right.

00:28.08
Talal K
Whenever you're ready.

00:30.49
alexei sayle
You ready?

00:31.22
Talal K
yeah

00:33.24
alexei sayle
Hello everybody, welcome to episode 123 of the Alexi Sale Podcast. Woo, woo, woo, woo,

00:44.60
alexei sayle
um

00:47.00
Talal K
calm down audience studio audience please thank you

00:49.65
alexei sayle
posse my posse montague the dog calm calm down told you to come now down boy m

01:03.74
alexei sayle
ah we I think we're going to... I thought we... can You said you've had a lot more kind of comments on on the film, really, and there's no reason why you know film night has to Film Club has to yeah be contained in one podcast. There's also somebody's made pulled us up, I think, or made a comment about a conversation about favourite supermarkets. I think I know what it is, and I think I feel bad about it.

01:32.71
alexei sayle
want me to say what I think it is?

01:35.48
Talal K
Yeah, go on.

01:37.14
alexei sayle
We didn't mention the co-op.

01:38.97
Talal K
ah ah And the fact that we had the conversation at all.

01:43.74
alexei sayle
and We had the conversation. Well, that's that's that seems to be overly prescriptive, really.

01:46.62
Talal K
that's That's the other one.

01:49.26
alexei sayle
what that You don't get to choose.

01:53.33
Talal K
We've had a couple people mention the co-op, which is totally fair.

01:55.70
alexei sayle
Yes.

01:57.10
Talal K
And I think Debbie put it best in an email. um She emailed alexisellpodcasts at gmail.com. Hiya, Alexi and Talal. Just a few comments stemming from your unusually mundane and therefore forgivable conversation about the supermarket.

02:15.02
alexei sayle
Yep, yep, yep.

02:17.14
Talal K
I it was hilariously mundane. A few weeks ago, Alexi mentioned a time when, for example, The Communist Party expected their members to try and live the values the party espoused, i.e.

02:29.59
alexei sayle
Yep.

02:30.52
Talal K
the personal is the political. So, you know, with that in mind, and because we're all feeling powerless with regards to the genocide in Gaza, one of the things we can do is not buy Israeli goods.

02:44.34
Talal K
Of course, me and Alexei Green, we assume that goes without saying. We're not buying that shit.

02:47.83
alexei sayle
Absolutely.

02:49.04
Talal K
I'm always checking the origins of... ah Produce. Anyway, when talking about supermarkets, you forgot to mention the co-op, which is the only one, think, to have banned Israeli goods. So please give them a mention. I know their hummus might not be as good as others. They've not got bad hummus.

03:07.50
Talal K
It's all right, actually. It's very bland. No no risks. But no, no, nothing offensive either uh but the co-op deserves some support thanks for the podcast i do appreciate it from fellow scouser debbie thank you debbie thank you that was debbie everybody can't

03:21.64
alexei sayle
Yes, I feel absolutely...

03:27.26
alexei sayle
um yes i feel i feel absolutely gutted, I was tempted to commit seppuku, you know, to eviscerate myself with a a dagger because of not mentioning the co-op.

03:36.15
Talal K
oh my god

03:41.38
alexei sayle
It's ah unforgivable. don't understand if you unsubscribe. It's an unforgivable omission. i the ah The co-op, are my nearest co-op is in um the Grazing Road and is a...

03:58.26
alexei sayle
You know, and well, Linda was saying that they're all really in that.

04:00.84
Talal K
Yeah.

04:02.90
alexei sayle
I mean, it's it's ah I think co-ops have more personality than them a lot of supermarkets, really, that they're often like completely out of things or they've only got sprouts and stuff. are Really, it's quite eccentric.

04:18.71
alexei sayle
There is also, there's a sort of, I think, I mean, there's a homeless guy who's get is into his, like, second or third year, I think, outside the co-op. And I think he's maybe sort of Horn of Africa.

04:31.54
alexei sayle
I mean, it is no, he's not the Horn of Africa. I mean, he's maybe Eritrean or Sudanese or something.

04:37.94
Talal K
oh

04:38.52
alexei sayle
um So he's ah also a permanent, face he's he's hanging on in there. um And, yeah.

04:44.94
Talal K
yes it is always a bit chaotic in the co-op and the staff bless them have to wear this like three-piece jogger suit and they always like they seem ah quite uh overwhelmed with everything they're quite understaffed or or um

04:46.94
alexei sayle
yeah

04:51.64
alexei sayle
i didn't they?

04:58.36
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. I think this, our co-ops got better, actually. But also, I did meet the woman. i she I don't know if she's left or... We met a very nice woman at Medical Aid for Palestinians.

05:09.62
alexei sayle
um ah Dew, who was the head of the co-op and I think, you know, has had, you know, major plans for both selling Palestinian goods and also not stocking Israeli goods. I don't know whether she's recently left. I'm not sure. But, um yeah, so, yeah, co-op, yeah.

05:32.15
alexei sayle
remember the one in, where's the Hebden Bridge? Had amazing curries from sort of. and so are they I think the Hebden Bridge is actually twinned with Gus.

05:45.30
Talal K
I used to work at a co-op.

05:47.16
alexei sayle
Did you?

05:47.90
Talal K
Yeah, my local growing up, when I was a teenager, was on Pittshanger Lane Ealing.

05:53.62
alexei sayle
There. Very pretty street.

05:56.09
Talal K
And before it got bought by the co-op, it was called Balfour News. And i used to do the paper round for them.

06:04.16
alexei sayle
Is that the same people as the Balfour Declaration?

06:04.49
Talal K
And

06:06.32
alexei sayle
Was it owned by the same family that created the problem of the Zionist state?

06:08.09
Talal K
yeah, yeah, yeah. And ironically, the co-op came and occupied their store front.

06:15.26
alexei sayle
Right.

06:17.18
Talal K
um But yeah, i did the paper. I used to do it on my scooter and I was very overweight as a teenager. I was ah as young tweenager, really big chunky boy. And my little micro scooter had bow. It was like bowed.

06:34.87
Talal K
was bent bent in the middle because the saturday papers when i had to deliver the saturday papers i'd have two big fat bags around both shoulders slung over my shoulders and i just remember going down the hill and the bottom of my scooter scraping on the road um little push one yeah yeah um

06:52.86
alexei sayle
When you say scoops, you mean one of those little things with little wheels that you push along? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

06:59.48
Talal K
But then I ended up working at Balfour News behind the counter. And then I was there while it transitioned into a co-op.

07:03.06
alexei sayle
yeah

07:07.38
Talal K
And I've got nothing but good things to say about them.

07:09.75
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:10.14
Talal K
Nice.

07:10.95
alexei sayle
So anyway, apologies to everybody. when i was all the When I was young, the few jobs I had, nobody ever put me in a public-facing role, really.

07:21.56
Talal K
No.

07:23.76
alexei sayle
They would always put me in the back room. or as if

07:26.57
Talal K
was... It was quite an easy transition from that to bar work actually.

07:28.50
alexei sayle
Nobody ever...

07:32.50
Talal K
That's where I guess I got my start with that kind of thing.

07:35.51
alexei sayle
Yes, I've never done that.

07:36.04
Talal K
I'd be like flaring the cigarette packets until I realized I was in the wrong job. I was juggling this, like when you juggle bottles.

07:42.91
alexei sayle
What does flaring... i don't know what flaring means. Oh, right.

07:47.48
Talal K
But i was doing it with chocolate bars and cigarettes. It's a little bar humor there.

07:53.69
alexei sayle
is that What's up cock does that film, Cocktail? Is it Mel Gibson and Tom Cruise?

07:56.25
Talal K
Yeah.

07:59.88
Talal K
It's not Mel Gibson. It's another Australian, isn't it?

08:01.14
alexei sayle
It's not Mel Gibson. I don't know.

08:04.31
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, like that film.

08:07.90
alexei sayle
Anyway, should we... um

08:11.54
alexei sayle
Charming as these reminiscences are.

08:14.33
Talal K
Brian Brown.

08:16.27
alexei sayle
Brian Brown. What's up to him?

08:21.72
Talal K
he's 78 old. he seventy eight years old

08:25.25
alexei sayle
right, getting on a bit then, yeah.

08:28.20
Talal K
He's got a grandchild. Congratulations, Brian. And he's a native Australian.

08:30.77
alexei sayle
Well...

08:36.68
Talal K
I'm not going to dig any deeper than that. Yes. Thanks for your correspondence last week ah for the podcast. And please keep sending it in and send in your suggestions for Alexei Reacts, our weekly reaction show exclusively on the Patreon where Alexei watches shit he's done.

08:58.68
Talal K
and he reacts to it Last week we did Albert Einstein, the Wilderness Years.

09:02.81
alexei sayle
Yeah, the wilderness years.

09:07.00
Talal K
And you kept calling him Epstein throughout the episode, and I was so confused.

09:11.54
alexei sayle
is that

09:12.28
Talal K
Yeah.

09:13.32
alexei sayle
I didn't know didn't know i was doing that. Well... um So people have got... One thing I wanted to mention about, which is very... I mean, me, is that one thing I'd forgotten to mention about ah Touch of Evil is the way when the cars stop, how they continue to bounce up and down because they're so... Like um American cars of that era, they're incredibly softly sprung, so they kind of boing, boing, boing, which was just something that I noticed really.

09:45.66
Talal K
Is that because the roads were so bad like they had to be or?

09:49.13
alexei sayle
No, I think it was more, that I mean, they prioritised kind of smooth ride or soft ride over everything else. really So American cars were, well, i probably I don't know about today, but, you know, and certainly up until like the 80s or ninety s were for all famously terrible to drive, really. They had no, you know, they were very, very softly sprung, big big engine up the front kind of thing.

10:14.26
alexei sayle
Often quite primitive suspension, you know, solid rear suspension and stuff. And so, you know, we want that's way one of the ways that European cars got into the US market was just by being so much better to drive, so much more dynamic and, you know.

10:25.78
Talal K
Right.

10:33.09
Talal K
I'd love to give one a go, though. There's American.

10:34.94
alexei sayle
Well, those 50s things, yeah.

10:35.86
Talal K
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're always like they steal the show. Any of those throwback American films like Grease or American Graffiti or something where they an Americana 1950s film, the cars steal the show every time.

10:51.16
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, it was, a yeah, it was, yeah.

10:52.47
Talal K
So impressive looking so much character. That's like why are cars so boring?

10:55.51
alexei sayle
yeah

10:57.15
Talal K
Why do they all cars have to look the same and be so bland and boring?

11:01.46
alexei sayle
It's partly yeah safety. you don't you So you're against stopping children being moaned down, aren't you, by

11:09.14
Talal K
Yes, that's what I said, yeah.

11:11.54
alexei sayle
I think it's partly um aerodynamics, that really there's only one... you know I mean, effective aerodynamics mean cars tend to all be the same because there's only one optimal aerodynamic shape. It's also safety. Obviously, a big bluff front bumper.

11:29.34
alexei sayle
is much more dangerous than one that is kind of sculpted. So when it strikes a pedestrian, they they kind of, they're not, they, I think, go on, the they go on, they roll onto the onto the the bonnet or the hood, as it were, and rather than being just smashed by this solid kind of wall of metal that slams into them.

11:51.13
Talal K
Right.

11:52.70
alexei sayle
So it's, yeah, I mean, because, i mean, SUVs, you know, like rangeovers and stuff are much more, dangerous for um pedestrians, you know, because you've got that just big bluff front, really.

12:07.16
alexei sayle
And more dangerous to people in other cars, you know. I mean, if you want to be... I think if you want to be safe, ah buy and e sheet you don' buy a big four-wheel drive, but it means that you will obliterate everybody else around you.

12:20.95
alexei sayle
um But, yeah, so it's ah it's also about safety and...

12:26.78
Talal K
Well,

12:26.74
alexei sayle
they do all kind of look I don't know i mean yeah because I'm retired from the the motor and journalism business but um uh they they um they do all kind of tend to look the same these days really it's particularly almost to the chatt Chinese brands Geely's and BYD and uh Omo I mean they all look MG yeah

12:42.30
Talal K
yeah.

12:50.33
Talal K
Well, that does make sense, I suppose. Very pragmatic answer there.

12:55.83
alexei sayle
Yeah, actually, that's one thing we could do, I could react to, is that that series I did for BBC2 called Drive, which was about how to drive properly, how to drive safely.

12:56.73
Talal K
It would be. Go on.

13:06.23
alexei sayle
made I made it in the ninety s I think.

13:06.69
Talal K
Oh.

13:09.67
Talal K
Oh. And was it tongue-in-cheek or were you seriously trying to spread awareness?

13:12.47
alexei sayle
No, it was humorous. it was It was humorous, but it contained elements of humor, but it was was serious. It was a serious attempt. I was annoyed that they didn't show it more, really.

13:25.85
Talal K
great. and I will look that up. Oh, back on the ah consumering consumerism ah topic, just real quick. i have ah Recently, I subscribed to a magazine called Ethical Consumer.

13:41.37
Talal K
It got pushed to me on probably an Instagram advert something.

13:41.39
alexei sayle
All right.

13:45.08
Talal K
that But is is it an established thing? Do you know it? Have you heard of it?

13:49.14
alexei sayle
No, so but no.

13:51.11
Talal K
but you can guess what it is.

13:52.18
alexei sayle
Yeah, I can guess what it is, yeah.

13:53.49
Talal K
It's like what, it's like witch magazine, but for ethics. And they'll pick a different category, like it will be sun cream or electric vehicles.

13:57.21
alexei sayle
Yeah.

14:04.86
Talal K
And then they'll just, or holiday agencies, holiday booking agencies. And then they'll list them in order of how ethical they are. And one of the main categories that they,

14:17.67
Talal K
in the last couple years have included in every ranking is their stance on Palestine or or how much they help.

14:23.74
alexei sayle
Good for them. Yeah.

14:25.30
Talal K
If they have business in Israel, if they have a store in Israel, you know then that makes them lose points. you know And I recommend it, it's good.

14:33.50
alexei sayle
Yeah. Right.

14:34.22
Talal K
it's it's been quite helpful actually, especially now they're very clever. The last issue was sun, sun cream and holiday. this is the type of year time of year you're thinking about booking a holiday and or something.

14:42.72
alexei sayle
Yeah.

14:46.68
Talal K
And so now I know, you know, which websites to definitely avoid when, when looking at booking.

14:49.62
alexei sayle
Yeah.

14:52.41
Talal K
um

14:53.46
alexei sayle
There was ah a Neil Street in Covent Garden, there was just an Israeli cosmetics company there, can't remember which one it was now, but the people would stand outside offering samples and Linda would regularly give them earache about genocide and ethnic cleansing, yeah.

14:55.07
Talal K
It's a,

15:07.26
Talal K
Good honor.

15:11.02
Talal K
that like Sephora or something?

15:13.34
alexei sayle
wasn't that, can't remember what it was, that my problem might still be there, can't remember.

15:14.75
Talal K
Or CeraVe

15:21.47
Talal K
Ahava Sabon, Moroccan oil and Christina Cosme Cuticles are all Israeli.

15:27.73
alexei sayle
No, none of those. We used to do like Dead Sea, you know, body scrub and shit.

15:33.45
Talal K
Yeah, yeah.

15:33.45
alexei sayle
I don't know.

15:35.93
Talal K
um

15:39.96
Talal K
And yeah, you were talking about the film there. um

15:43.48
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:43.86
Talal K
We had one comment on YouTube. That guy Thanos said, didn't get to watch the film. I'll watch it sometime. Thanks for that.

15:54.17
alexei sayle
I don't know. That's the kind of can't do spirit we really appreciate here and on the Alexis Help podcast.

16:02.42
Talal K
We had a couple of people a message about Heston, that Charlton Mexican or Mexican Heston, saying he was quite left wing in his younger years.

16:08.66
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:15.42
Talal K
And he even stood beside Martin Luther King during one of his speeches. And so he he was one of those guys who transitioned as he got older, like you suspected.

16:29.48
alexei sayle
To be that right wing. Yeah, it's weird that.

16:37.24
Talal K
And so, you know, that's a shame that people can do go that way, don't they?

16:37.32
alexei sayle
Oh well.

16:42.74
Talal K
Like, I don't see the appeal in turning coat like that.

16:42.94
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:48.06
alexei sayle
No, no, no. I'm very happy with my

16:51.54
Talal K
James commented on patreon.com forward slash AlexiL podcast. In the comment section there, James says, a nice story about that opening scene that you talked about. So you you told us last week, Alexi, that they were filming till sunrise because the border guard couldn't get his lines right.

17:09.14
alexei sayle
Yeah. o

17:12.28
Talal K
And, you know, it's such a long, complicated, almost four minute long camera shot. And he's like, just over halfway through it and he kept fucking up his lines. I can imagine how many times he had to reset the entire thing.

17:27.54
Talal K
a nice story about that opening scene is that someone asked Wells why he didn't replace the actor playing the border guard who kept getting his lines wrong. And Wells repi replied, I couldn't, it would destroy him.

17:42.69
alexei sayle
Ah.

17:45.02
Talal K
Um,

17:45.02
alexei sayle
Yes, um um I still haven't watched a second half of that documentary, really, but he does come across as, I always thought he was bit of a kind of tyrant, really. There's that famous recording, isn't there, of him railing. He's doing a voiceover for Pease, I think, over here.

18:00.15
alexei sayle
And he's giving the people in the booth a terrible time.

18:04.97
Talal K
This is later years, surely.

18:06.33
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. But ah he just come across on that. It's unusual he comes across on that documentary. He's been a much nicer person than I had imagined.

18:19.70
Talal K
Well, a passionate artist like that who's you know got tumultuous ah temper, you know they they they're going to have some really good...

18:26.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.

18:29.66
Talal K
ah ways they express their passion and some really bad ways they do it. That's quite as an Arab I can relate you know we're very passionate people and we love too hard and we hate too hard.

18:34.69
alexei sayle
This person. Impassionate people, yeah.

18:40.89
Talal K
The film James continues is also a reminder that Wells was never afraid to be trashy to mix trash and high culture.

18:49.59
alexei sayle
Yeah.

18:49.91
Talal K
um Also there's an interview in which Heston says if he did it again he would do a slight accent. Thank God he didn't.

18:58.55
alexei sayle
Oh, Jesus, yeah.

19:00.98
Talal K
And also, yeah, right.

19:01.40
alexei sayle
Nobody wants to see that.

19:03.71
Talal K
But, you know, he's already painted his face brown.

19:07.03
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's more than enough.

19:07.67
Talal K
Maybe the accent would be some sign of kind of respect to what he's portraying.

19:14.68
Talal K
Oh my God. ah It does kind of remind me of, you know, the amount of times I've seen people being cast as Arab when they are Pakistani or Iranian.

19:28.70
alexei sayle
Or even white Jews from Liverpool.

19:30.94
Talal K
white Jews from Liverpool or Bangladeshi, but those South Asian ones, and you know this white director is like, cool, you're perfect.

19:32.47
alexei sayle
Yeah.

19:37.33
alexei sayle
Yeah.

19:40.85
Talal K
Just do it in your own accent. And so they're doing it in an Indian accent or a South Asian accent, excuse me. And I'm just like, you're just educating the world incorrectly about what Arabs sound like.

19:53.65
Talal K
And you know and they if they have Arabic dialogue, they learn it phonetically. And so they're saying Arabic words

19:58.14
alexei sayle
Right.

20:01.08
Talal K
in a really poor way and with an Indian accent. It's a very confusing and infuriating thing to see.

20:07.51
alexei sayle
Yeah.

20:09.84
Talal K
Oh yeah.

20:10.04
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's one of the weird things. that When i vo I've had to learn a bit of um foreign, can I always remember it forever.

20:18.66
Talal K
Yeah.

20:19.22
alexei sayle
Like him off in the film, I mean, in I can't speak Spanish, but in the film Siesta, I had to say, Tepe Uedo, Yvara, El Centro, Pedos, A Copa de Mas, Los Domingos.

20:30.23
alexei sayle
I can take you to the center, but it'll cost more on Sundays. Or in the film of Whoops Apocalypse,

20:35.96
Talal K
You got monies?

20:37.83
alexei sayle
You got many. The film of zva giv no about

20:50.81
alexei sayle
I think.

20:51.58
Talal K
Hello, would you like to try that again?

20:52.47
alexei sayle
it was There are two American journalists. They need to be liquidated immediately.

20:57.75
Talal K
Is that a line of yours?

20:59.19
alexei sayle
Yeah, from the film Whoops Apocalypse. The film of Whoops Apocalypse.

21:02.36
Talal K
Oh, and is that German?

21:07.05
alexei sayle
Now Russian, it's supposed to be Russian, learn phonetically, I'm sure it's terrible.

21:11.26
Talal K
Did you play a German in that film? Russian, well, right. Yes, of course.

21:21.85
alexei sayle
Just a quirk, I remember. the like I don't remember i didn't don't remember the lines in English, or i even didn't remember them when I was supposed to. was actually filming them, but for some reason the learn the lines I'd learned in foreign languages, i could do perfectly. did it with an Andalusian accent there.

21:42.10
Talal K
I did an advert.

21:42.42
alexei sayle
did it with an andalusian accent there

21:43.22
Talal K
I don't know if i I, think I've mentioned this on the podcast before. When I was like 10 years old, I did an advert for the Saudi Arabian markets, an advert for milk.

21:57.69
Talal K
And I still remember the line perfectly.

22:02.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.

22:02.49
Talal K
And it was even in a Saudi dialect, which is very different to the Syrian dialect.

22:07.80
alexei sayle
Yeah.

22:18.62
Talal K
Scientists say that you can drink 15,000 cartons of milk in your lifetime. But who's going to wait a lifetime? And then the camera zooms out and you see this fat kid.

22:29.46
Talal K
Remember, I mentioned how fat I was as a kid.

22:30.71
alexei sayle
Oh yeah.

22:31.54
Talal K
The camera zooms out and I'm sitting on a literal mountain of milk cartons. um because I drank them all and got really fat.

22:38.08
alexei sayle
That's, um, that seems sort of seems to imply different kind of cultural priorities, apart from anything else.

22:41.12
Talal K
Yeah.

22:47.28
Talal K
What do you mean?

22:47.48
alexei sayle
I mean, Howard also tried drinking, i suppose, drinking milk in the Middle East is a bit of a weird thing to do, isn't it?

22:50.52
Talal K
What do you mean?

22:56.25
Talal K
What are you talking about?

22:57.99
alexei sayle
don't know. Doesn't it go off quickly? I don't know.

23:01.18
Talal K
They have fridges.

23:03.83
alexei sayle
i see you drinking, I don't, I can see you drinking, you know, yogurt-based drinks.

23:08.82
Talal K
That's, yeah.

23:09.22
alexei sayle
Drinking milk in the Middle East. I would never, i would never drink milk in the, yeah.

23:13.30
Talal K
Well, I think they would yoghurtize their milk pretty quick before refrigeration was a thing.

23:18.26
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:19.22
Talal K
I think you're right there.

23:20.63
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:20.95
Talal K
You drink your coffee black and strong and concentrated. um Yeah. And in Mongolia, they would ferment their milks, which is, is that the same as making it a yogurt?

23:30.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:33.57
Talal K
No.

23:33.72
alexei sayle
I don't think so. I'm interested to know.

23:34.81
Talal K
No.

23:35.40
alexei sayle
what to No, I think it's different, isn't it?

23:36.67
Talal K
Fementing is alcoholic, isn't it?

23:38.61
alexei sayle
That's supposed to be very good for you, though. I don't think, I don't know. You can't get drunk on kimchi. No matter how much you... This is very poor, isn't it?

23:48.25
Talal K
This is great.

23:48.48
alexei sayle
Podcasting.

23:49.24
Talal K
All right, Paul comments, greatly enjoyed your touch of evil discussion. ah It was made in 1958, thus Wells put Janet Leigh in an isolated dodgy motel two years before Hitchcock did with Psycho.

24:04.27
alexei sayle
Yes.

24:04.47
Talal K
That's the same woman from Psycho doing a very similar story.

24:06.46
alexei sayle
Yes.

24:09.34
alexei sayle
Yes, it's true.

24:10.81
Talal K
It is possible that Hitchcock or Psycho's screenwriters took some inspiration from this scenario and casting. Is it further possible that Dennis Weaver, that, is it possible that Dennis Weaver's, I agree with Talal, hopelessly overplayed night manager character had some impact on them in the creation of Norman Bates from Psycho?

24:22.67
alexei sayle
It stinks on hair.

24:39.66
Talal K
Wells went on to cast Anthony Perkins as the central character, Joseph Kaye,

24:45.81
alexei sayle
The trial. Kafka's the trial.

24:48.09
Talal K
Correct. Released two years after Psycho. Perhaps Perkins got typecast, but his portrayal of Joseph K is a little bit Norman Batesy.

24:59.42
Talal K
ah Feel free to discuss. Alexia's Joe Grandi would be perfection, especially in the radical theatre adaptation. I'm going to persuade Talal to make a future project when I next see him after a live podcast recording.

25:07.51
alexei sayle
Yeah.

25:10.80
alexei sayle
Let's do it.

25:15.10
alexei sayle
So, no, I'd be yeah i'd be a Hank Quinn and I'd be the world's role, not fat enough.

25:20.25
Talal K
That would make more sense, wouldn't it?

25:21.82
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

25:23.45
Talal K
Okay, focusing on him a little bit, I think. So I did say in the this description on Patreon, was like, come on, Mark, I want to hear your review. Mark Cunliffe, our in-house film critic.

25:39.35
Talal K
Um... This was my first time watching the reconstructed version and wow, to think I thought the theatrical cut had a great sense of movement. This version absolutely glides thanks to Wells' progressive visual approach. Now I need to know, I need to watch both versions to to see the differences.

25:58.04
Talal K
From the use of camera cranes and the single take tracking shot to the remarkable cross cutting and character driven camera angles and composition. Wells propels the action at a fair lick and the soundscape is equally, um serves to stress the urgency as much as the visuals with overlapping dialogue, seems to imply we had no time to waste in characters taking turns to speak.

26:12.82
alexei sayle
Yes, it's true.

26:23.42
Talal K
I like that. ah He likes the rock and roll, the brassy rock and roll music. I just wanna skip to the next paragraph, which is where I think, yes, the, the the I like this bit. What remains clear in any version is the way Wells approaches his tale as a metaphorical bullfight.

26:45.05
Talal K
With his corrupt cop Quinlan, a grotesque and heavyset antagonist standing in for the bull and Charlton Heston's, sorry, Charlton Mexican's Vargas serving as the matador

26:54.45
alexei sayle
Bye, guys. yes

26:57.08
Talal K
The latter, with his black and white sense of justice, challenges the fearsome bull, eventually trapping him in a ring that was ultimately of the former's own making. Yet, as with the cruel spectacle of the bullfight, there is some sympathy to be had for the ritualistic downfall of the defeated, which speaks to the fascination that the liberal Wells had with the seductive nature of corruption and the ethical compromises that once that one makes in life.

27:25.11
Talal K
Thank you, Mark, as always, so beautifully written.

27:27.80
alexei sayle
Yeah, crikey.

27:29.74
Talal K
Brilliant analysis.

27:31.06
alexei sayle
Yeah.

27:32.46
Talal K
Bullfights. And once I read that, was like, I couldn't unsee it. It is is one little poke at a time, you know, death of a thousand wounds.

27:37.36
alexei sayle
I guess, torment in this kind of cruise. Yeah.

27:42.74
alexei sayle
Yeah. I wonder whether that's, yeah.

27:45.53
Talal K
driving him back to alcohol, driving him with him back to his brothel, making him paranoid and angrier and angrier and angrier until finally the tragic kind of, the very sad death at the end.

28:01.72
alexei sayle
Yes. wonder um mean that I imagine that, I mean, I guess Wells being kind of quite macho, whether he was a devot devotee of Hemingway, I don't know, really.

28:13.75
alexei sayle
Being, you know, the three worlds greatest devotee of the Carida, the bullfight. Of course, it is interesting. don't know if I've mentioned this before, but... um And um am in no way am I a fan of ah bullfighting. I've obviously i always been an advocate for animal rights and that was quite involved maybe a couple of decades ago in various animal rights charities.

28:42.49
alexei sayle
um but And there's there's a i mean there's ah there was a TV channel in Spain called, I think, La Casa de Honduras, I always was convinced that if English people came into a Spanish bar, they would immediately put that channel on, which is just, you know, it's a hunting channel.

29:01.34
alexei sayle
It was just, you know, yeah they would do it just to upset us, really.

29:03.13
Talal K
Oh. Hmm.

29:06.43
alexei sayle
But, of course, the interesting thing about, as if you can call it a spores, you know, whatever bullfighting is, it is also... ah And yeah it's a ritual sacrifice, really. And it comes from a very, very, very ancient time that the the matador in his suit of lights is the sun.

29:31.29
alexei sayle
And the bull is the human, is the sacrifice, not human sacrifice, but is the animal sacrifice to make the sun rise every day. and so you've got this sport, you know, in which these roots go right back to, you know, well beyond pre-Christianity.

29:47.77
alexei sayle
i mean, pre-agriculture, really. um Which is not to excuse bullfighting, but that is what the bullfight is, really.

29:58.62
alexei sayle
and

29:59.32
Talal K
Wow, yeah.

29:59.46
alexei sayle
It's also horrible, you

30:01.24
Talal K
Yes, of course. ah would When you said it, I don't know if it's a sport or not, I was going to interrupt and say, i'd think it's more of a ritual, but you went ahead and and said it yourself.

30:09.18
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's a religion, it's a, it's a animal sacrifice.

30:11.26
Talal K
ah Surely there's no excusing what bullfighting became when it became, you know, corporatised and, you know,

30:17.08
alexei sayle
No, no, no whatsoever. No, no. And that romanticism that people like Hemingway had for it, I think is, uh, is disgusting.

30:26.52
Talal K
Well, that even even then, you know nowadays, you know how we look down on hunters and poachers and you know sports hunters.

30:26.81
alexei sayle
Do it.

30:35.00
Talal K
But go back 50s, yeah.

30:35.43
alexei sayle
are just the worst people in the fucking world. I mean, haunt is just...

30:38.55
Talal K
But people didn't people didn't feel that way 80 years ago, you know would they? It's quite a recent phenomenon that we care.

30:44.95
alexei sayle
Now...

30:47.90
alexei sayle
Yeah, yes. But it was always horrible. But I think people did. Some people did. But I mean, hunting is just the most...

30:52.98
Talal K
Yeah.

30:55.54
alexei sayle
It's the most repellent. If anybody wants to come on and defend that. um It's just the most repellent thing, I think, in this modern age.

31:00.28
Talal K
No thanks.

31:05.73
alexei sayle
Actually, that's one of the things I've been meaning to um mention for a while. You know, when um i think it was came about when the Israeli authorities banned the Palestinian flag, and so people just started displaying pictures of watermelons because they contain the colors of Palestine, which are red, white, green, and black.

31:25.94
alexei sayle
Do you know what else? So if they ban watermelons, do you know what we can turn to next? The dartboard.

31:34.07
Talal K
hu

31:34.23
alexei sayle
the The dartboard is the symbol of Palestine.

31:38.34
Talal K
You're right.

31:38.30
alexei sayle
That's content. Yeah.

31:41.91
Talal K
And then you could have a dart in 19, a dart in four and a dart in eight.

31:42.04
alexei sayle
And...

31:50.01
alexei sayle
Yes, that but except commemorating the Nakba.

31:53.11
Talal K
Yeah.

31:53.59
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. Luke Littler, I know, sir yeah thinks deeply about Middle Eastern affairs. you know that darts champion who look looks like 50 and he's I think he's like 18 or something, isn't he?

32:05.88
Talal K
Yeah.

32:06.14
alexei sayle
um But yeah, that's um the dartboard is also a symbol of Palestinian liberation, or could be.

32:12.87
Talal K
That's... Did you think of that all on your own?

32:15.51
alexei sayle
I did, yeah.

32:18.17
Talal K
God damn it.

32:18.15
alexei sayle
That's my job.

32:19.39
Talal K
I love that. That's great.

32:21.18
alexei sayle
Yeah.

32:22.00
Talal K
That's great. um

32:23.86
alexei sayle
Well, let's see where we can go with that.

32:28.07
Talal K
Maybe that could go, making a note of it. I'm gonna action whatever this is. Make some merch. Make some dartboard t-shirts.

32:36.31
alexei sayle
Yeah, I mean, I suppose the answer that the the people are throwing darts into Palestine is all the similar. with that I don't know where we we go with that, really. that That doesn't quite track, as it were.

32:46.68
Talal K
Hmm.

32:49.46
Talal K
Yeah, could you draw in the darts as like missile missiles or something?

32:52.60
alexei sayle
Really, there's Really, the dart board should be firing darts out outwards.

32:57.89
Talal K
Outwards, yeah.

32:59.13
alexei sayle
It's perfect.

33:03.81
alexei sayle
Anyway, offer that. I offer that. had a very nice weekend. um I was going around the country. Well, ah we and I did some comic strip screenings and then um question and answer events. I was in Dartmouth on Friday.

33:23.38
alexei sayle
Bridport on Saturday and then Lewis and Sussex on Sunday. and the guiding spirit of the comic strip, Peter Richardson. We had a little road trip.

33:35.65
alexei sayle
Um, People were tremendously excited to see us in two out three of those places. um I think the venue, the beautiful art centre in Lewis, on the the um and where the old Harvey's brewery is right by the railway station.

33:54.46
alexei sayle
um ah But um the the room was, because it was a really nice plush cinema in there, but it wasn't a good room for kind of live interaction, really, I think, in some way.

34:06.40
Talal K
Is it? writes

34:06.62
alexei sayle
But there was hundreds of people there and it was very and everybody was very nice. and It's a beautiful art. And of course, Lewis being there. i Actually, we never got to talk about leon Lewis as the world. It's the centre Protestant fundamentalism. you

34:21.05
Talal K
is it

34:21.05
alexei sayle
ah bomb but They so celebrate bonfire. Everybody in like well it's not everybody in in Lewis is in a firework club. And then bonfire night in Lewis is... The seven clubs, I think. I mean, I'm sure somebody from Lewis will be listening to this and they can fill us in.

34:35.83
alexei sayle
They board up all the shops and then roll flaming barrels of tar down the streets and stuff like that.

34:41.21
Talal K
Yeah, I've been to that a few times.

34:41.29
alexei sayle
It's like Spain and, you know.

34:44.87
alexei sayle
Oh, right. Well, there you go. Well, you tell me then.

34:47.64
Talal K
well and But ah it seems I'm completely misinformed because I always assumed there was pagan paganistic roots.

34:54.08
alexei sayle
It's probably got pagan roots, but it's a... I mean, burning Guy Fawkes is clearly ah an act of of Protestant supremacy, isn't it?

34:57.53
Talal K
Yes,

35:03.22
alexei sayle
Because you're burning the Catholic. Bonfire Night is about rejection of Catholicism an assertion of Protestantism.

35:06.07
Talal K
yes. yes

35:12.82
Talal K
Right. But now in Lewis, the effigy is is not, maybe they have a Guy Fawkes as well, but they always have a kind of a topical effigy that that changes each year.

35:13.86
alexei sayle
We're getting into it now with the symbolism.

35:21.73
alexei sayle
That's true, yes.

35:23.49
Talal K
And that's kind of takes the focus really. So I've ah've forgotten about that. It's been a while since I...

35:27.51
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, then maybe maybe Lewis isn't. I don't know how. I'm interested somebody could tell us about this. the roots of what goes on in Lisbon. know Bonfine in its general sense was about, you know, being in, you know, the rejection of Catholicism and the Cato Street plots and the attempt to restore Britain to Catholicism.

35:50.62
Talal K
Okay.

35:50.52
alexei sayle
I noticed there's a, because they do that a lot in Spain and there was a fucking Israelis getting whiny because there was a small town in Spain that chose to burn an effigy of Benjamin Netanyahu this year.

36:05.36
alexei sayle
It's anti-Semitism. Um,

36:10.30
Talal K
Lewis is part of the Sussex bonfire tradition.

36:10.30
alexei sayle
yes

36:13.06
Talal K
There are seven societies ah putting on six separate possessions ah processions. This, there is more, you know, I used to go as a, I lived in, I went to uni in Brighton and I lived there a bit longer after that.

36:25.34
Talal K
So, you know, we used to go because it was a laugh and we'd go and get drunk and drinks, scrumpy and watch the procession. I never dug into the history of it. So yes, ah someone at home.

36:35.99
alexei sayle
Is it to do with our Protestant martyrs as well?

36:39.58
Talal K
ah i but ba but I'm sure there's something there, but I want someone at home to write in because I don't want sit here and read this whole Wikipedia page in the podcast unless you want me to...

36:50.71
alexei sayle
No, that's not... No, no, I'd like you i'd like it. this is ah This is a two-way street. I want the listeners to...

36:58.62
Talal K
We'll get someone at home to... Yes.

36:59.99
alexei sayle
yeah

37:01.09
Talal K
Alright, email in to lxslpodcasts at gmail.com if you have an authoritative knowledge of the Lewis Bonfire nights. We'd love to know about that. um But, ah you know, people were writing in suggestions as well for what you and Nigel could do for your...

37:17.75
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, try and get some of that.

37:18.36
Talal K
for your

37:19.15
alexei sayle
fucking Because did I say fucking Adrian's got thing now? He's going birdwatching with bloody Sam West, yeah.

37:24.52
Talal K
Yep. Yep.

37:26.61
alexei sayle
I'm very bitter about that.

37:26.96
Talal K
Birding is is growing and i don know, it's becoming like a thing. It's very, it's very trendy at the moment.

37:31.31
alexei sayle
know, yeah, I know.

37:33.62
Talal K
um I liked birds before it was cool. um Yes. And people have written in because you were saying you and Nigel did the road trip and you had no onscreen chemistry, even though you're very good friends and you're very old friends.

37:45.49
alexei sayle
None. Yeah.

37:48.09
Talal K
Well, ah someone said, ah obviously, they should do cycling. But that might be a bit too active and physically ah demanding.

37:58.26
alexei sayle
Yes, Nigel.

37:59.13
Talal K
Long shoot days of cycling.

37:59.14
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

38:02.42
Talal K
You'll hardly be talking.

38:02.46
alexei sayle
There was one, wasn't there, fucking that Cockney guy and his son who was in EastEnders. they They had a data cycling show.

38:09.78
Talal K
Oh, yeah.

38:14.62
Talal K
But I had a really good suggestion.

38:25.45
Talal K
Give me one second. From Anthony. That's it. I had a really good suggestion from Anthony down in Brighton. Funnily enough, we have five mini golf courses here in Brighton.

38:41.14
Talal K
Perhaps they could play all of them and demonstrate they do have on-screen chemistry in the right circumstances. Unless they hate mini-golf. I don't know. and a minigo If you hate mini-golf, might make it even better.

38:53.88
Talal K
ah Alcohol is allowed on all the courses.

38:53.78
alexei sayle
Yeah.

38:57.24
Talal K
And it could be called Alexi and Nigel's Crazy Golf Smackdown.

39:01.98
alexei sayle
Yeah.

39:02.14
Talal K
I would...

39:02.38
alexei sayle
That's very good. Yeah.

39:04.02
Talal K
would fucking watch the shit out of that.

39:06.62
alexei sayle
yeah

39:08.02
Talal K
and it would be so funny if you actually... Not you personally, but if the show, you know, through editing takes the golf, the mini golf really seriously and keeps the scores and actually like tracks your scores and you have an ongoing tournament, but you and Nigel couldn't give two shits about it and you're just chatting shit and exploring the countries.

39:27.77
alexei sayle
You could talk about the symbolism of all the, the, you know, the, the windmill and, um,

39:37.66
Talal K
Yep. And the, or, robotic dinosaurs and king kong but each episode at a different golf miniature golf course in a different part of the country

39:47.74
alexei sayle
that's brilliant. That's genius. Email that to, I think he's called Ben Frau, I think at channel five, email him immediately.

39:55.73
Talal K
okay can i come on as can i be executive producer please okay wicked does that mean i don't have to do much but i get paid

40:00.16
alexei sayle
Yeah, sure.

40:06.39
alexei sayle
It really varies, doesn't it?

40:08.98
Talal K
What is the difference, executive producer?

40:10.04
alexei sayle
i was executive I remember on my last TV series, I was executive producer, which meant up rich meant I just got that credit, executive producer, nothing else.

40:20.41
Talal K
Yeah.

40:22.55
alexei sayle
it's It can be, executive producer can be, mean, you know, you're central to the project or it can mean just a meaningless bauble as it was with me on Merry-Go-Round.

40:31.74
Talal K
Yeah.

40:36.50
Talal K
there's ah You do notice when a series, if you're watching a series by like series four or even series three, the star now is a producer on it.

40:45.11
alexei sayle
Yeah, the stars, the turns, yeah. Yeah.

40:49.24
alexei sayle
Yeah.

40:50.84
Talal K
And that just means what? They get to pick their own hair and makeup and their own assistant.

40:53.94
alexei sayle
guess I guess. don't know if it means anything at all. Maybe they get more money, but often it's just a in just to try and make them seem more...

40:59.39
Talal K
You kind of have to earn your stripes.

41:03.92
Talal K
It's an ego thing, isn't it?

41:05.14
alexei sayle
Yeah, what's with me?

41:05.62
Talal K
Yeah, it's nothing else to it. It was with you.

41:08.47
alexei sayle
Yeah, I'm very pathetic of us, too.

41:08.61
Talal K
You admit it.

41:14.17
Talal K
What are you watching at the moment? Anything new that you're watching?

41:16.98
alexei sayle
I quite like this um series, Laid. every It's based on an Australian series of the same name it's about. I think it stars her. I think she's Chinese-American, I think, but I think she's a stand-up.

41:30.23
alexei sayle
It's also got Zosia Mamet, David Mamet's daughter, who you know the one obviously one decries nepotism. She is very good performer, I think.

41:41.93
alexei sayle
I hate David Mamet.

41:42.07
Talal K
Hmm.

41:43.96
alexei sayle
um ah ah about a a woman who's everybody who she's ever had sex with it dies what is dying so that was quite good what else did we just re-watched season three of um seriously of a Fargo actually which I thought was

41:46.77
Talal K
She's David Mamet's kid?

41:53.98
Talal K
Whoa.

42:07.05
alexei sayle
I'm a fan of, and I don't, I'd like to find series, I think it was four, which was about black gangsters and starred Chris Rock and Timothy Olyphant.

42:16.02
Talal K
Yes.

42:17.69
alexei sayle
I can't seem to find it anywhere.

42:21.39
alexei sayle
mean, he's got any suggestions. Series five was awful, I thought, before I It had John Hamm as a kind of evil, the evil rancher kind of dude, and it just, was way outside his range. I mean, John Hamm is a great,

42:35.17
alexei sayle
Performer, you know, but evil evil rancher dude is really outside his range of abilities.

42:40.86
Talal K
Yeah. It's like what doing is he just doing like a Jeff Bridges impression? No,

42:47.32
alexei sayle
Yeah, but he hasn't got that. You know Jeff Bridges has got that gnarly quality. In the evil rancher, you know, the there's been evil rancher dudes, I think, in other series of a Fargo that have been... But it's just Jon Hamm is completely unbelievable on a horse.

43:04.55
alexei sayle
Jon Hamm cannot sit on a horse, convincingly.

43:07.73
Talal K
ah

43:12.25
Talal K
um Did you watch his remake, kind of remake, not really, of Fletch?

43:21.05
alexei sayle
No, I did not. I didn't know you'd done it, really.

43:25.05
Talal K
Yeah, what can't

43:25.65
alexei sayle
Let's start Chevy Chaser, isn't Or Dan Aykroyd or one of those.

43:28.73
Talal K
it was Chevy Chase.

43:29.94
alexei sayle
Chevy Chaser, right.

43:31.13
Talal K
um Chevy Chase originally.

43:32.53
alexei sayle
It's that guy, it's Carl Hyerson, isn't it? The guy that, is it? The guy lives in Miami right used to write all the crime fiction about Miami and was quite an early, always mentioned the kind of ecological disaster that Florida is.

43:46.22
Talal K
That's right. So I didn't even know it was based on books, a series of books.

43:47.00
alexei sayle
Yeah.

43:50.17
alexei sayle
Hmm.

43:50.94
Talal K
But yes, there were these like modern crime mystery novels about this. He's not even a detective. He's like a freelance journalist, investigative journalist.

44:01.66
alexei sayle
Right, right, right.

44:02.00
Talal K
That's it. Called Fletch. Yeah. The... the what's his name, Chevy Chase films back in the ah early 80s, they weren't exactly ah incredibly loyal to the books.

44:16.72
Talal K
It was Chevy Chase using it as a vehicle to showcase his slapstick tomfoolery.

44:17.50
alexei sayle
Right.

44:22.08
Talal K
So it kind of veered away from what the books are really actually like. it became a much more visual humor than the clever, witty, verbose kind of Aaron Sorkin style humor that the books displayed. But then Jon Hamm recently did, three years ago, four years ago, Confess Fletch, it's called.

44:43.66
alexei sayle
Right.

44:44.28
Talal K
I enjoyed it. My girlfriend didn't. I thought it was quite clever and and funny as hell. I thought that's the kind of role Jon Hamm suits.

44:53.92
alexei sayle
Yeah.

44:54.78
Talal K
Fast talking, you know, he's got that Mad Men essence, but he's allowed to, he's clearly a very funny guy. I've heard him on a lot of podcasts and he has got a really good sense of humor.

45:03.68
alexei sayle
I hope

45:04.28
Talal K
And this allowed him to kind of showcase that a bit. I can't see him as a dude ranch kind of villain, but yeah, I really liked Confess Fletch. If you like noir stuff,

45:15.16
alexei sayle
yeah right fees

45:16.10
Talal K
It's about kind of art ah art crime, art thieves, art thiefs art thieves. There is a V in there. I forgot there was a V. um And it's it's really good. And they they wanted to make a franchise out of it, but I don't think it did well enough, which I'm kind of upset about.

45:35.19
alexei sayle
yeah

45:36.79
Talal K
But my point was, since Mad Men, yeah, he's been trying, clearly trying to,

45:41.08
alexei sayle
Yeah, he's done lot of interesting work. He's brilliant in 30 Rock, for instance.

45:46.79
Talal K
Nothing's really taken off for him, I feel. Oh,

45:49.19
alexei sayle
You've got Your Friends and Neighbours, I think, has gone to a second series. I mean, I quite like the first series, but I wouldn't want to.

45:53.20
Talal K
that's good.

45:54.28
alexei sayle
thought that was probably enough of that, really.

45:55.86
Talal K
I didn't see that. Well, my heart bleeds for Jon Hamm. I hope he finds happiness.

45:59.06
alexei sayle
I think... don't know. Let's see if we can reach out to him, see if he wants to.

46:05.50
Talal K
I'd love that. and Right.

46:10.17
alexei sayle
I think we've done enough.

46:11.45
Talal K
I think we've done enough. Look, I want to just please once more implore our listeners to head to patreon.com forward slash AlexiSale podcast and support the show. Even three quid a month, you know.

46:24.18
Talal K
ah do it for a few months and enjoy the Alexi reacts that are on there and watch Alexi, Lisa and Nigel watch the young ones. Me and Alexi go to a gun range and shoot guns. right fucking That's really surreal that that exists, but it does and it's on the Patreon.

46:41.59
Talal K
And there's a nice chat room in there. um Send us your suggestions for Alexi reacts. What should Alexi react to next? I think we're going watch some stuff today. Some more stuff.

46:52.44
alexei sayle
think we are, yeah.

46:54.05
Talal K
Yep. A film critic strike. Um, Also, we got some live shows on the 2nd of May in Wellingborough at the Diggers Festival. We're playing at 7.15 up there.

47:07.56
Talal K
Alexi's interviewing Slavoj Žižek in the Barbican on the 6th of May. That must be sold out by now, surely. You don't know?

47:15.64
alexei sayle
know. It's not mine.

47:16.14
Talal K
You don't know. You don't know. think in July we're playing Shoreham's Rope Tackle again, doing a live Alexi's Sale podcast there and Very excitingly, we're playing the Roundhouse Comedy Festival, 2nd of August.

47:31.64
Talal K
Interviewing, I think I can announce it now, we have special guest Diane Morgan on stage with us in the big massive Roundhouse Theatre in Camden, 2nd of August.

47:42.58
Talal K
It's a massive room. If we don't sell out, we'll feel like absolute Muppets. Please buy tickets to that.

47:52.33
Talal K
2nd of August at the Roundhouse.

47:53.75
alexei sayle
If I wasn't inter interviewing Dan Morgan, i would go I would buy a ticket to that. i might buy a ticket anyway. That just sounds like the best thing ever.

48:04.72
Talal K
It's a matinee, so you can go out and get pissed after.

48:07.19
alexei sayle
yeah

48:08.09
Talal K
um

48:09.05
alexei sayle
Or buy shit and come to market.

48:11.51
Talal K
Go shopping for... It used to be all goth clothes and rock and roll stuff.

48:15.19
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

48:16.31
Talal K
It's all... I kid you fucking not. I was there the other day. Three shops I walked past exclusively selling Taylor Swift and Harry Styles T-shirts.

48:29.15
alexei sayle
No.

48:32.22
Talal K
This is an outrage.

48:32.15
alexei sayle
God, what?

48:34.57
Talal K
Camden used to be where the cool kids went.

48:36.63
alexei sayle
Yeah.

48:37.56
Talal K
The little, not even the cool kids, the weird freaks, the goth kids and the rock kids, you know, me and my mates buying our favorite rock band on a t-shirt, getting mugged on the high street.

48:41.30
alexei sayle
Yeah.

48:51.32
Talal K
Now it's just overpriced. It's all owned by one rich Arab guy, apparently, who's just fucking converted everything just paint-by-numbers high street shit.

48:56.95
alexei sayle
Yeah.

49:05.07
Talal K
Don't get me started on character.

49:06.36
alexei sayle
No. All right, won't.

49:08.49
Talal K
All right, that'll do.

49:12.76
alexei sayle
right, everybody. Bye-bye.

49:14.02
Talal K
Let's go.