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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, JJ Cooper, Carlos Colosa, another baseball America, draft podcast, and I think we've got a fun one today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got a lot that we're doing on the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've rolled out the expansion to 400.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've expanded the high school and college list to match that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos is working on a mock draft that by depending on when you're listening to this, it will be out if it's out by the time you're listening to this, I'll say you're a bad B.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: draft podcast listener because it's been several days, but maybe if you got a busy weekend, I guess we'll give you a pass this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just saying a mock draft will be out Monday and then we're working on expanding to 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we just brought by the draw, the senior sign list is top 50, which we expand that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of stuff up at baseballamerica.com as always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But today, what we're going to do is have a little bit of a draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're covering the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to draft a little different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've done this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and Peter have done this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to draft tools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty straightforward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go back and forth and we're gonna pick now I would say there are criteria for this, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Land in here is to not have eligible for best power prospect in this because he's not draft eligible Yeah, this is one of the things I actually I haven't been able to do quite as much prep Prior to the show is out of light because some calls came up for me, but when I was thinking through a lot of these pitching tools I was like, man, like a lot of the tools I want to take our our next year's draft class So just doing 26 eligible swore for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just 26 eligible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you say that, I would say that there were multiple carrot categories where like the guys I was coming up with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'll tell you right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you said that's hitting prospect, we'll sneak peek to next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I would love to kind of dive a little deeper in the Gavin Kelly, the second basement catcher, which, what talk about what a weird combo that is, but like, really hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe following in JJ weatherholds, you know, footsteps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a break us down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the tools we're drafting today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any other limitations?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we double up on players?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you want to do this, JJ?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here are the tools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say, yes, we can double up on parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that you, each of us can only pick a player once, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for audio listeners, only we're doing best fastball, best secondary pitch, best control and command, best hit tool, best power, best speed, best defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we did leave some of those things out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to say best sliders or class curve ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then change up and all that, plus splitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're going to keep it pretty, we're going to keep this in a relatively, you know, listenable length here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that some of you would love for us to do best arm, would love this to do best strikes on discipline, you know, like really go detail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll cover some of that as we do this, you know, we're going to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not something where we're just going to look at this and say, oh, you know, like, we're not going to name a name and then go on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to explain why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, so we're going to snake this back and forth, but Carlos, since I did have a little bit more time to work on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start this by saying, I'll let you have first pick with best fastball and with best secondary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So give you a little bit of a of a chance to pick because I've got multiple guys for both of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I feel like I should be able to be okay, even if even if you're going first on eBay, so I'll have someone interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of if you'll scoop me on some some categories I really like, but for best fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'm gonna overthink this one too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we've got a really unique fastball here that makes a ton of sense to pick one one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm gonna go with Massachusetts prep left-hander, Brody Bumila, probably not too surprising.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a six foot nine left-hander who's thrown 101.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like regularly in the upper 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also elite extension.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty rare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spin capacity for that pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everything about it should allow him to have or or currently have an elite elite fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are scouts who are kind of no hesitation putting 80 grades on this fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like while an 80 should be rare air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it does not bother me at all that people are just not thinking and saying that this is an 80 like if this is not I don't really know what what wouldn't be so That actually leads to kind of like so when I was thinking about this right and I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I gave you the first pick is this I think there's an obvious number one Yeah, I can go with the second guy and still feel pretty good about it, but right okay, let's talk about this a little bit though when you say like best fastball now, right I would say that there are kind of like three kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: prongs to that stool, right, three legs to that stool that you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One is velocity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, you cannot have a 93 mile an hour fastball that's in a lead elite fastball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that there was a time where some people were woefully misguided and thought, oh, the quality of a fastball is more about the movement in the velocity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the quality of fastball is about the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reality of it is is that velocity is a key part of that because velocity shortens the decision time for a hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a hitter, more time to decide, more time to recognize is always better than last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that jumps out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one leg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The movement profile of the pitch, the way the pitch moves is another key leg of a fastball though, because if your fastball moves

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[SPEAKER_01]: hitters are going to have a much easier time as I see it hitting that fast ball than one that is unusual to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that it's not that those characteristics aren't as valuable as they were a decade ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say because we are now in the world of like, especially even talk about a high IVB fastball top of the zone hitters train for that now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you now have the cue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it made that pitch rare 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just less rare because we've discovered it's effective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People have selected for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People have

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[SPEAKER_00]: pitch designed for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just more common.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, do you think like like you've talked about this a lot, but hitters are recognizing patterns and the more you can have like an outlier look, the more difficult is going to be for hitters to like track and process that subconsciously, but I do think it's just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious who you're going to follow up with because I don't want to get any up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so I want to point out what I want to make on that, those is, but also, I do think in addition to seeing more of them, I do think the training for it that have a tragic machine that can actually like replicate a pitch that you could see in some cases, or to have the visual cue of swing a ball above one ball above where you think it is, things like that have helped hitters kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the third problem we're saying is, this though, the third stilt leg of the stool is you also have to be able to

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[SPEAKER_01]: to locate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't locate it, and I would say that really to have a very successful fast way, you need two of those three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have one, you're not going to be that successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brody Bimilla has a chance to have all three, but I would say that right now he has, he definitely has two of those legs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The velocity is as hard as anyone throws the left side basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is always something that came up with our our drafts with Peter and I guess before we continue moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious how you view it because you mentioned the control and command piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are drafting control and command separately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you factoring and controlling command to your individual pitches because I do think there are some erratic strike throwers who if you're just purely drafting that pitch and a vacuum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you maybe would discount the control and command, but maybe it's just interesting to think through how we could think of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I specifically, even more so with a secondary pitch, but I do factor it in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it plays a part in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Secondary is especially like, you can have the nastiest slider in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you cannot throw it for a strike, I do not care, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you throw a slider that is otherworldly, but the hit or recognizes it and takes it every time, it's not a good hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it makes sense in this draft too because in some of our previous tools draft we're like stacking tools to create a hypothetical player and this one we're taking the best tools.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of got to factor it in more in that case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my guy I'm going to go with is UCLA's Cal Randall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say Jacob but never proved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jacob Rudder loves Cal Randall but I would say the thing that stands out about him is is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really is a case of a pitcher who has an elite fastball and really doesn't have much of anything else right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't even.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe his pitch ratio this year is something like 85% fast balls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I think he's sort of like sub 25 sliders and changeups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like that sort of factor her threshold of elite fast ball usage pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I pulled up right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does have an 87% fast ball usage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No other pitch has either on more than 6% of the time, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some sliders and changes mixed in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but an 87% usage fastball JJ with a 40% misrate in college, pretty exceptional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what Randall has, is he does have a lead velocity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's 95, 96, 97, regularly touched 100.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has,

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[SPEAKER_01]: exceptional extension it's almost seven feet of extension which makes it again unusual from that standpoint and then you throw in it does have the life at the top of his own he does throw it from a flat flat plane so it is a pitch that will get you more swings and misses than most you have all of that there together when you talk about elite velocity and by the way I will also say and he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, I would say his command and his control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His control of it is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: average, I would say like he does scattered some, but he also, I think some of the scattering, I think his command might be a little better than that because some of the scattering is early count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at his fastball placement in two strike and three ball counts, it's better than it is in early counts, so I can see it where it's like, I'm going to let it kind of eat a little bit and now I've got to dial it in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's kind of my best fastball,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, we'll do this with each of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anyone else that, like, you really thought about, like, I feel like Bumilla is the just clear number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Cal Rental makes a lot of sense too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's probably some comfort that teams would have with selecting his just because you can feel a lot more confident in the data that you're actually getting on that pitch and just the performance against it has also really held up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think there are too many people who are like ultra-concerned about, oh, we'll really be most fastball play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've only gotten to see him against Massachusetts hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of confidence in like how you can project out pitches at the next level too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are plenty of guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we could name, but there's no one whom, like, we definitely need to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make sure there's not a guy who we're like, okay, everyone's going to scream at us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you not mention so and so?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure that will certainly happen, but we'll be able to control the... Leave your comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll, you know, I do read, I do try to respond.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Carlos can said, you're a little concession of, I got more time to prep for this is, you also get to go first here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Best secondary pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm going to stick with the left hand of picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to the college demographic and I am going to take the slider of Arizona State left hander coal car loan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, you kind of been, you're not exactly who I'm going with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Carlone was a considered file was my number one to yeah, I feel like Carlone among the top pictures in this class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Carlos Slider gets talked about as a potential 70-grade offering as much or more than any other pitcher in this class, maybe high school or college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like we have the same volume of 70-grade secondaries that we've had in some other classes this year, maybe you'll bring up a name or have you several, it feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of really good pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like there is, as quite as much loud pure second years as we have in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with Carl and Slider, what I like about it, obviously great performance, great results against it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also throwing it just over half the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the only misdomer is it's not a secondary pitch for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a true pitch and it's not as small as the secondary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you wanted to discount this and make me choose someone else, I guess it's technically I would have to change it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's upper 80's power slider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have a lot of visible movement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of these like tighter shorter breaking balls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it gets a ridiculous amount of miss 56% miss rate for this slider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you see, miss rates with breaking balls higher than fast balls commonly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do just, I am impressed with how frequently he uses it and still getting those high miss rates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: hitters really struggle to perform against it when they do connect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we consistently hear 70 grade, 60 grade evaluations on the breaking ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think the power of the pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, he does throw it for strikes at an above average rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is his primary pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's clearly very comfortable with it in any count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also a

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[SPEAKER_00]: a platoon neutral sort of break em all like it should be effective against both lefty's and righty's and that's kind of a part of the reason he can't throw it so much but yeah I think this is a potential wipe out offering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I that going back to the control command part of this right he throws it for strikes but also

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the command component, you can see how he manipulates it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You talked about the movement of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing I'll say about though is is that he has the ability, like the movement he gets on that pitch in two strikes, especially the location in two strikes is consistently different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if he's two one, we said, this sliders is primary pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will throw a two on slider that he knows I can throw that in the zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually I believe throws it more consistently for strikes than his fastball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like if he's behind in the count and he throws a slider, I think it's a 68% strike rate, if he's ahead in the count, two strike count is like a 60% strike rate because he's going to then get it either a little bit off the plate or a little bit below the zone is where it's going to end up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where he's putting it in a, you're not hitting it kind of place and if you pretty much, then he's, it's in the finishing location.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rather than being just a strike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that finishing pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's the clear number one best secondary pitch in this group, but I will say again, I feel pretty good about this guy as the number two, which is I'm going to go with FHU's

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say with beard, like, kind of what we're just talking about, like, to have a change up that is quality conviction obviously as a key component of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you kind of know the guys who really believe in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trademeers change up will basically I think easily guide him through the lower levels of pro ball as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll see kind of everything else down the road, how everything else kind of plays up to kind of get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think his long-term success is going to be about how the rest of his pitches end up being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the change up is going is kind of like he knows he has it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He believes in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can throw it back to back and hitters are like still flailing at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's the kind of pitch you want to see from a guy who, you know, if you're going to have a really good change up, believe in it, use it, and he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do think with this one, obviously, it's such a broad category that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's interesting, like we don't, this is not a great pitching class at the top we've talked about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the guys are at the top of this class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that really fluke Cameron fluke or Jackson Flora who are top two rated pictures right now in the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither of them have like a truly elite secondary, I would say, do you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think if you made a case for Jackson floor as slider or even as change up if you really like that, there would be sensible to me, but I don't think, no, it's not like a situation where you've got like a chase burns breaking ball or Paul skiing slider or yeah, I do think there may be some more questions that you might have Jackson floor stuff is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he has multiple pitches that could fit, but I think both of the pitches we picked, like I just have more confidence that they are, like, easy, plus or better offerings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that gets back to me, I'll get to pick my first pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna do for Best Control Command, something that I don't think I would do almost any other year, which is, he got to go high school, I'm gonna go high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I do believe that the best,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, control command in this class is Carson Bowman, you know, the the South Carolina, um, um, um, um, um, and spelled with an O at the end of his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the visual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, me and so, but who it is his calling card, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's often even like, okay, the key part of this is is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: we should probably explain in case someone does not the way said control and command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're two different things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Control is your ability to throw strikes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could really, I would say, control can be summarized at, can largely be summarized.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can look at walk-to-semanage, and that tells you control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Command something different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Command is, now, command is almost, command is something that you know it when you see it, but at the same time, it's almost impossible because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to derive intent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be able to ask the pitcher what he actually makes to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even the location of the catchers myth is not always that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But command is the ability to throw the pitch where you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I always think of in recent years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know he just had an outing where he walked a, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But ret loud or as a guy stood out to me for his command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like, OK, he's throwing that pitch here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you missed another six inches down, it would be a bad pitch, but it's a good pitch because he looked at it there or you know all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really impressive in that he throws strikes with intent and fills his own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just coming off of by the way, as we're recording this, coming off of a perfect game in his last star, I think 19 caves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like best outing of the of the season so far for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By far, it's had a little bit of up and down his velocity of a stuff this spring, not as good as it was last summer, but getting controlled command is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he has actually walked a couple of guys this spring, which I

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[SPEAKER_00]: The real separator for me with with Bolliman is is ability to land the second areas in particular and to have confidence Commanding those pitches is just incredibly rare at the level that he does it for a high school pitcher and I feel like that is maybe Just distinguishes him from almost all the other players in the high school pitching class like if you wanted

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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about this with a lot of scouts more after the summer, but if you need to win a game and you need to feel confident that someone's going to give you a chance to win a game car some ballamon because of his feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for all of these pitches, the fastball, the curveball, the slider, like it's just really impressive to feel to locate all those, his strike rates from the circuit last year are incredibly impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just rare for me to see a high school pitcher who's as consistent with multiple secondaries as bull men is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with legit stuff too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, one thing I'll say about this is is the best high school control that I have

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe one of the best at least that I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just blanked those names.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Royals First Baseman, who just was DFA last year, who was like two way down, huh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Prado?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Prado, I watched Nick Prado at HSI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most impressive values I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just carving through, like I think he made it through like the first three innings in like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 18 pitches every one of those was like it's like 17 strikes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you will in the high school class You always have these like no stuff shorter guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just command and carve and dice, but yeah, you're right But you're talking about this is what still pro stuff to go with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now I'm putting you on the spot though Because this one I would say I feel like that that actually is crazy to say that that was one that jumps out But there are other guys that are easy here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can definitely pick your yeah I mean, I feel like Bowman would have been the guy went on the high school side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually thought you were gonna go with

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[SPEAKER_00]: UCLA right hander Logan Rediman because I feel like on the college side he is kind of the maybe the most obvious player because he's a prominent likely first rounder depending on what's going on with his health hopefully comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that your pick?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get back on the mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll pick in Logan Rediman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: UCLA right hander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really like him coming into this spring as a sleeper because of the command first and foremost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy who I think if you look at the control like you said he's never walked more than 6% of batters in a single season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exceptional, it was 5.9% in 24, as a freshman of San Diego, it was 5.3% in 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far this year in 26 through 10 starts, 59 innings, 4.7% walk right and like you could feel confident and I feel like that he has at least 60 control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to dive further into the command, I do think he does some of the location specifics with his pitch mix that you want to see, he's located the fastball up at the top of the zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the change up is consistently down into his arm side, the slider is down into his glove side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he uses his pitches in the locations where they perform their best and he's jumping into the first round now because he layered on more strength and power and velocity on top of that strike throwing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine that like

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on a very short list of players who teams are are feeling confident that it's a slam dunk starter profile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me, it's hard to not pick anyone other than Rediman after you took Bulman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did have one back up in case you went Rediman and I didn't want to go with the high school arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to say the other one I had was been Blair at Liberty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the other one who really stood out to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one I thought about and then the guy probably would have taken would have been Grant Govel at Southern California.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like his control is pretty exceptional as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are two other honorable mentions here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have constructed our mythical best tool picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right after this break, we will dive into the position players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Carlos, now we move on to hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that means I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yep, it is you, you get to go with first again, Alex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, I feel like you, you kind of drew the really short end of the stick here because I, I feel like this is tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the difference between one and two in this category is maybe as extreme as any category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if I didn't get my number one player, I would be really torn over who to take the no brainer selection here is great Emerson Texas high school short stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is an exceptional hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it would not be surprising to me if people were putting 70 grade hit tools on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that we did that with Turmar Johnson will maybe have me a little bit gun shy about putting that on high school hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of a swing you like to see the mechanics of how the swing works, how easy it is, how clean the path is, his timing, his contactability, his ability,

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically his entire high schools career of high level performance in high school in the summer travel ball showcases team USA it's just a supremely accomplished high school hitter if you can't feel confident that Grady Emerson is a 60 hitter in this class I truly don't know that you can say that about anyone it's why he's the top ranked high school player in the class it's why he's number two

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[SPEAKER_00]: The hit tools, the hardest to scout in a value eight, but again, he will be one of those players where if he does not hit him pro ball, I will throw my hands up and be like, if he didn't hit, I don't know how I was supposed to know if anyone hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a super accomplished hit or I'm thrilled to be able to select first here because I have no idea you're going to take and I'm screwed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I really did like this is where I'm saying like this is where I was like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had like multiple guys from the next year's draft that I'm probably more confident about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a Gavin Kelly, I would really like the Gavin Kelly's knowledge for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're going to make me do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what you're going to make me do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're going to be, I'll finally get someone else who's who's actually pumping up my guy at LSE or there in Baton Rouge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's your only option here, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm saying like it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's not, I'm making a joke here about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't, I'm not opposed to Derek Coriel and LSU, but, but Derek Coriel is kind of, that's what his calling card is, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the fact, if Derek Coriel is in first-round pick, there's athleticism in here, but really, you are believing in the hit tool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of outside of him one of the things that stands out is there's some other guys like who I think they're okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a couple of guys who are really performing right like Jared and a Vicular the Georgia Tech Second Baseman is hitting 422 By the way, if you wanted to take his hit to him, I think that would be really defensive like I thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about it because like you could just say with him, but one of the things that really does stand out is is there's just not

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a Caden bow dying in this class as a way I would say it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that guy who when we talk about hit tool, we're not talking about power here as much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about, I would say that again, we're looking at the ability of for average, the ability to make a ton of contact and make good swing decisions, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's not that guy, some of these guys like there's no, Nick Madrigal was exactly that guy in college and then like the contact rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: being exceptional didn't translate as much because of the lack of power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chandler Simpson was that guy, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, JJ weatherhole was that guy, but I'm Korean, I should speak about Korean here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Korean has long had a track record of hitting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does make a ton of contact and by the way, he does hit them all recently hard, too So it's not like this is not a slap here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is not slap a McGee This is one of my fun facts that I bring up what I'm on calls with people talking about about the class is Derek Cariel He's hitting the ball harder this spring then a number of other players who you would expect to be more power Already in a profile's in him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really curious to see some pins And I will say like that but if you said we're gonna pick a top 10 for this

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[SPEAKER_00]: who it had been painful, yeah, yeah, yeah, the other two that I feel like if you want to throw a maybe had to, you mentioned it had been killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Rochilowski, if you want to say he could be a plus hitter, that would be defensible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Chris Acopian would be another player who I thought about a Texas A&M, like his combination of contact skills, performance, and he has the extra impact, but in terms of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: here hitters, a lot of contact, zone contact, using entire field, like, yeah, curial, if these feel like the right tune is from in this class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I do get to go first on best power, but I will also say on this, this one,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, okay, when we say power here, we're not talking about raw, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are like, this is where this gets tricky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, this would be a lot easier if we were just saying who hits the ball the hardest, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that was the case, I'd just probably say Miles Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're dying, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what we're saying is who projects to hit the most homers per season in the major leagues down the road?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where it gets trickier

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you have the power but you don't get to get to it in games because of contact concerns or really even sometimes profile concerns then that's not as significant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go Blake Bowen and I really this one I struggled with too like I really went back and forth on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a couple of guys who if you wanted to go very analytical about it like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lorenzo Carrier at Pittsburgh, it's about really hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's also a fifth year senior, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he should be more into kind of the man's strength than most of the guys in the class, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Bowen kind of like stands out like, this is kind of his calling card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, I'm not convicted on this one though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope, I kind of hope for my standardy sake that you're going to tell me somebody where I'm like, why didn't I pick that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I looked at it and then I'll talk about some of the other guys I looked at, I didn't really come away with one of those like, this is the, I really did, I looked at Miles Bailey longer than I expected to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that makes sense for you to take a long hard look at Miles Bailey because even though like he has misquestions, he's also a player who has consistently gotten to his

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me, the safest option for this is to take one of the better power hitters who's gonna go in the first round because if you're going to, if you're gonna think about like the guys who are gonna get to the big leagues and do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Presumably, your best power hitters are going to go early, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there are some intriguing, like, I wouldn't say they're dark horse, but a guy like Kate and Logan Paul, he really hits the ball incredibly hard, but I have some like bad at ball angle questions with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have some contact questions with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another player I'm thinking about is like Logan Hughes, a Texas tech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have maybe less swing and misconcerns than I would have with like a cadence or REL who would be another option for me here, but I think I'm just going to go with Saw Your Stroke Snyder at TCU.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think he hits the ball as part as most of the top sluggers in college baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some misquestions that give me a little bit of pause here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he has the athleticism to make adjustments at the next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him make some adjustments to chase with his chase right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, this spring, I wish that I wish that I felt a little bit more confident in the pure contact skills in hitting ability here with Strosenider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's, he's, again, he's always been a, I've been a fan of him and I, I just am buying into the athlete here to make the adjustments that I think are necessary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in terms of raw power, it's easy plus just a matter of like will he be able to make the adjustments against pro pitching to get into that plus power in games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: other one I thought of that I did not expect to until I was really started diving into it was Texas's Carson Tinney who that's a really good one too yeah he has even more of the misconceptions for me but yeah that's a good one he does have he looked as legitimate swing and misconceptions but he hits the ball as hard as pretty much anyone out there in college baseball this year and I would say kind of with that like when he hits the ball he hits it exceptionally hard and unlike a lot of the guys we hit them all really hard his hitting the

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[SPEAKER_01]: on a slight loft to the pull side in the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I would say that now, I would say that you know, you can develop those things at all, but for a guy who's maximizing it right now, his 17 homers, he's have not come cheaply.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does do that very, very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you'll say this is not a great power class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a couple are the high school names who would have been interesting candidates would have been Dominic Santarelli, who we both got to see last summer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exciting, raw power in the class, first basement outfielder out of Wisconsin, and then Bo Lawrence in South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Lawrence might have one of the more exciting hit power combos with a swing and a body that just could allow him to get to his power easily at the next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 65, 200 pounds really just works well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he creates great leverage with his swing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are two other candidates that I would have considered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this gets easier here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, speed is always one of the easier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really put two guys down for this because I feel like, okay, you'll pick one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably pick the other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you get the first pick here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll just take Eric with Junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is to be high school outfit or really good chance to be a top 10 overall pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He ran the, I think the best individual 60 time at East Coast Pro to consistent 80 great times in games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's not 80, it's pretty consistently 70.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can really just fly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much there's to say more about speed, like he said, speed just kind of just speed, huge range in the outfield, I think right now he's probably a better peer runner than he is defender, but again, if he can refine some of his route running ability to to capitalize on his speed more efficiently in the outfield, he could be a fantastic defender and he should be able to put plenty of pressure on

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[SPEAKER_00]: opposing infields when he's getting out of the box and on the basis for a opposing battery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's a pretty easy name here for for but you know, I'm curious if that was your number one or if you have that well, that was my number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I've got two guys here though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to mention him and then move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trevor Condon was kind of my backup high school guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not as fast as boost, but I do think we have him as a plus plus runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to go a little bit further off the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My nice two picks, I'm going to go much further down our rankings, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go with Javar Williams at Wake Forest, who he can fly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can fly and he's kind of like, that is the calling card, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on he is not a first round or he's not probably a second or a third or a fourth or even maybe a fifth round or you know he's more than a fifth you know, but but he's later on, but he is a guy who can fly who can provide real impact with his speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the true baseball American pick right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not taking the lazy way out and taking the obvious get the top of the board You're getting into the the death of the class here for a legitimate any great tool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like There is always a like a track star on the draft list who's like real questions about Your hitting ability maybe, but there's no doubting the run tool and if you like that one, you're gonna enjoy this one more

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know who you're taking for this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who I'm taking for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're picking first, so I can't even pick your pocket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But JJ, please tell us about the Duke shortstop that you've really Jake Lambeded at Duke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, okay, this is what I love about doing this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is so, you know, we try to, as best we can, get as much information and much reporting as we can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we also,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, trust but verify right like if you get feedback on something, but you didn't go look at yourself, make sure that you don't just say, okay, this guy, you know, because there are times where you find you hear something and then you go look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know if I believe that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was writing up short stops as we expanded from 300 to 400.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got, you know, I was watching synergy of all these short stops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Lampton was the one guy who watching him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, stop what you guys are doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I put together a cut-up and said, watch this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he makes plays that very few short stops make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is on the 400, and we'll be on the 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets drafted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not because of his offense of potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not because of what he's going to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is because this guy is a really good defensive shortstop who combines range hands, but I would also say awareness kind of one of the things that really stood out to me is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were two different plays where there was a runner on first the second and he goes deep in the hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because deep in the hole makes the play, he was never gonna throw the guy out at first, but because his momentum's taking him to a third base, throws an accurate throw to third for force playouts in both cases and gets the out, which gets the lead runner by the way, which is important for one, but also got an out of a play that if you just didn't have that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And someone, I'm sure someone is going, well, that should be making that place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what, if you watch a lot of college baseball, a lot of times they don't make that play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have that play, you have to have that play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have that play through knowing where you're going to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's hit to my, if it's hit into the hole, I'm going to third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's hit to my left, I'm going for two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like all those things be prepared for it in advance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: J. Clamden consistently does that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy watching and play defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to enjoy watching and play defense and promote it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you kind of left me with a ton of really good options.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this great defense, like there's a ton, like this is not one where I left the covered bear by any stretch, especially I left you everyone in the top two 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lucas Moore and at Louisville would be a candidate here in center field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a great defender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you've got high school short stops, like it didn't re-ease in New York and Jacob Lombard and Florida who just look the part defensively at short

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two most obvious, no brainer selections for this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just looking at the top of our board, I think you've got multiple players who have 70 great defensive upside, both Georgia Tech catcher of on Lackie and UCLA shore stop, Rocholowski.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty torn on this one prior to you, like talking about how you're excited for defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I wonder which one of Lackie or Cholowski I'll get because, again, they're just such obvious picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, like coming full circle and taking rocky last piece defense feels like the move here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to make that be the pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am partial to short stops and watching them a little over catchers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're the catching guru on staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: JJ, you love to break down film in Lacky is a tremendous defender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think both these guys have gold club upside as defenders of premium positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chilowski has been just a joy to watch play defense, dating back to his underclass days in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to see him at NHSI, where he was just such a buttery smooth defender in the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only continued to improve as a defender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has the elite footwork, the elite ball security and hands, the elite arm strength necessary for the position or necessary to be a

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[SPEAKER_00]: His instincts defensively really stand up to me as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it with Jake Lamdon, but I think Rock has just a great understanding of when to use his arm, how to use his arm efficiently, his body control when he's moving up the middle, when he's ranging or when he's moving in on the slow roller, I should say, when he's ranging up the middle, when he's ranging to the hole,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he does everything that you want to see from a pro short stop at a high level, and it would be shocking to me if Rochilowski was not the very least a very, very good defensive short stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I've never watched him play defensively like, oh, he should have made that play and he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just he checks all the boxes from me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that we will full circle on it and we ended up with our last two picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We took someone who

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rankings ranks 382nd on our top 400 and Rochalowski ranks number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect way to grab coverage here on the B-A-Draft fought for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So okay, Rochalowski and JJ got so you would have players that maybe you didn't if you're not a track.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do about Jake Lambda's defense before before I was talking about it, you know, either and you're not a Duke fan or like, you know, member of the Lambda family kudos to you, you know, for being aware of that already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I did want to kind of wrap up by asking this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so we just talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll kind of finish it by asking,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think is the most tooled-up position player in this class?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And who's the most tooled-up pitcher, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jacob Lombard is the most tooled-up position player in the class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if there were not questions about his perioding ability, maybe make everything else could be above average, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else could be plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I think Jacob Lombard pretty easily, if I don't have Lombard to pick from, I probably would have taken Stroes Snyder

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Eric Booth, he is interesting, but I think the arm may be holding him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are probably some guys, kind of think I would actually drove on lackey in that, like also like what you don't want to say if a catcher, he's athletic for a catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to start by that, right, but he does play catcher and I do think like there's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I even think he's athletic for a catcher, maybe does him a deserve it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he just athletic period, like regardless of position, and he runs exceptionally well for a catcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just runs well in general.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other guys maybe to mention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm gonna leave you some of that real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is one thing this class has, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like writing up I think it's Garrett Wright at Tennessee, the transfer who was supposed to be the catcher and they had a hand injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, okay, you're a centerfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There aren't many catchers who you can be like, okay, just go out and they're centerfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kevin Roberts, Jr. and Mississippi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll guys from Reno at UCLA, SuperToolsi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see Luke Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The high school shorts up at Appencilvania is really tools in athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, there are a lot of players who have tools I could keep mentioning, but I think the ones who've named are probably the top guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pitcher is harder because I think it's kind of where we're lacking on the pitching side like who is a pitcher with like a lead stuff that maybe doesn't have to control as that sort of a

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[SPEAKER_00]: the comp are going for here, the profile you're looking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just say like Tulsius is like that like it probably is Bumilla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but he doesn't have the best like him because I feel like the secondaries are real questions currently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it depends on what I mean by Tulsi though is it's like, I'm kind of going a little bit more like kind of projection frame, athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but he's also a big donkey, like, but he's also a big lead upside who has the biggest upside in the class maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe that's what I'm asking kind of more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then yeah, being me, that would be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Rojas would be pretty obvious good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think actually, and you mentioned like you had Cole Carlin is, you know, for a second or like you could win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a, if you really believe in him, like if you're like, you really could be like the best is still yet to come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lefty who can throw a hundred who has a secondary pitch already and is just still kind of like developing into a starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think about this one often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I mentioned it to you, but like what were we talking about a gear crochet during his draft year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there are some similarities with how Cole Carlones discussed profiles, the pros, the cons, the the reliever profiles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like just such a weird year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of people like, I'm not taking the reliever in the first round and how look it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Garrett Crochet and he perfect example, like, okay, we're having a really robust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say everyone gets a pass because what that was the 2020 draft, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was like the we got to see him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked really good and after four starts the season ended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, so it was a little harder like we're getting like if Cole Carlin had just had Garrett crochet season he wouldn't be a first-round pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's pushed him into this is having an actual season where you're like, oh, the stuff just keeps getting better and better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's absolutely that's the key part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is the base ball America draft podcast for this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will to summarize.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's fast ball Carlos took Brody Bimila.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took Cal Randall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's secondary pitch Carlos took Cole Carlin and Arizona state slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took trade beard FSU change up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: best control command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took the high school lefty Carson Bowlemman, whereas Carlos took UCLA's Logan Reddeman, best hit tool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took LSU's Derek Creel, and yes, I took him not Carlos, shocking development.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Carlos took Lady Emerson, the high school shortstop for Texas, who is, I think, by acclamation, the top hitting prospect in this class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Carlos got me here, because he took so your Stroke Snyder, and I took like Bowen,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Best speed colors took Eric Booth Jr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took Javar Williams, best defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got him here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took Jake Lamden and he took that, you know, stiff rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was lucky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's lucky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sleeper personal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's about rock to last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you need cut, but you, you know, you get one of those and you know, I'll stick with the the the boring security that is defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Lamden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the Trap podcast for this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As always, check out everything over at baseballamerica.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you enjoyed this, I promised you there's so much over the other that you are going to enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you to all of the subscribers for allowing us to do what we do for Carlos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm JJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still longer, buddy.