00:21.85
Vance 😈
Welcome back to Right Quick.

00:23.86
Nandi K
A bite-sized pop culture conversation with your favorite queer unfriendly black hotties.

00:29.35
Vance 😈
And we are unfriendly today because Black History Month is only 28 days to some people. I'm Vance Gowe.

00:38.26
Nandi K
And I'm Nandi K. Yeah, fuck all that, right? Like, to some people. You know, since I moved back to the South, I do feel, like, blacker than ever.

00:52.12
Nandi K
And I did get my first gold tooth today, so I'm really feeling in my cultural bag as a Floridian.

00:55.23
Vance 😈
And that's...

00:59.57
Vance 😈
FreakNik approved.

01:01.02
Nandi K
oh my God.

01:01.36
Vance 😈
Gold tooth. If you laugh too loud, that shit is glimmering.

01:02.62
Nandi K
ah

01:05.75
Vance 😈
Yes.

01:06.73
Nandi K
I'm gonna start laughing loud for no reason, opening my mouth, throwing my head back.

01:06.70
Vance 😈
Glimmering in the light. Yes. Yes.

01:12.55
Vance 😈
ah love a cackle.

01:12.95
Nandi K
so

01:13.34
Vance 😈
I love a full-throaked Charlie Kirk cackle. Just your full...

01:20.05
Aaron Rand Freeman
Hmm.

01:25.68
Nandi K
It is very much yeah, that was definitely doing that Charlie Kirk become thatpezdispenser, that human pest dispenser.

01:31.61
Vance 😈
Look, uh-uh, uh-uh.

01:35.61
Vance 😈
That unhinged throat.

01:36.76
Nandi K
That neck.

01:37.98
Vance 😈
Right, yeah anaconda that But...

01:40.09
Nandi K
Oh my God.

01:44.02
Vance 😈
i Well, that was a spoiler for what we're talking about. What are we talking about today, Nandi?

01:47.32
Nandi K
We talking about black history today. um You know, it's always black history around here. And I think a part of our pro-literacy advocacy is also rooted in black history.

01:55.19
Vance 😈
That's true.

02:02.74
Nandi K
I feel like we're always referring to black history when we talk about literacy and we're constantly mentioning people from history, so I wanted to take an opportunity to focus in on some people and maybe some people that we have not mentioned just yet.

02:24.02
Vance 😈
Yeah I mean yeah I appreciated you coming with this one Because I'm like yeah we Because I was like yeah we always talking about historical niggas And non-historical niggas Niggas that's here but um But yeah with that being said I think it is nice to just like give space Like give an actual moment for The faux folks So what is What was your criteria For choosing your people Your list you said we we got three right Or about three about three

02:31.48
Nandi K
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

02:41.93
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

02:49.34
Nandi K
Yeah. Yeah. So we, well, we, I said three, but it sounds, uh-huh.

02:56.06
Vance 😈
I got three. I got three.

02:59.71
Nandi K
Uh-huh. And so i chose three people. Like you said, we're always talking about history. So I chose to go local on this.

03:10.37
Vance 😈
Oh, okay.

03:11.03
Nandi K
I wanted to choose some people close to home.

03:11.12
Vance 😈
Nice.

03:15.61
Nandi K
There's so many people. historical Black icons to choose from, it was really, really hard to narrow it down. So I narrowed it down by city first, Jacksonville, where I'm from, and then Savannah is also where my dad is from. And that's kind of how I started to narrowing my list down. What about you?

03:35.34
Vance 😈
Okay, yeah, I i don't know. i went broad. went broad, but I also just was like people that we don't talk about. So one of mine is ah someone I know personally, because I'm like, oh, yeah, that's an easy one.

03:46.62
Nandi K
Great. and here

03:48.06
Vance 😈
And then the other two, obscure to me. I know i know some niggas is like, I know every factoid about blacks.

03:54.39
Nandi K
Well, hey.

03:55.06
Vance 😈
but um But yeah, one one ties into the programming here. And then the other one, I just started reading it. I said, oh, this is fun. And I was like, I'm go go with this.

04:02.90
Nandi K
Oh, cute. Well, exciting. let's ah Let's get into it. Why don't you kick us off?

04:10.91
Vance 😈
All right. So the first, i actually put a duo only because they, they founded this thing together. So was like, how do you pick one?

04:16.50
Nandi K
Sure.

04:17.75
Vance 😈
So I got John Russ warm and Samro Cornish and they found that the freedom journals. So this was in, uh, 1827 and it's the first black owned, um, media, you know, newspaper.

04:24.76
Nandi K
Okay.

04:31.19
Nandi K
Oh, wow.

04:31.26
Vance 😈
Um, So they started it initially because they wanted to like push back on like so like racist, you know, ideals and shit like that. But then they also were like, hey, um we want to spread awareness about ah like popular events. So this was also like like what is it?

04:52.41
Vance 😈
Global, not global, but you know what I mean? It was not only international. It was not only America. And then the other thing was it was pro literacy and pro like, you know, pro writing.

04:58.60
Nandi K
Sure. Mm-hmm.

05:02.18
Vance 😈
So they were just trying to instill that, like, you know, black Americans need to read or write. So um obviously they they only lasted two years, but then like they birthed a bunch of other black publications. And then, you know, um,

05:16.27
Vance 😈
a lot of the OG black publications were very like, they would just be talking about average life of black people. It would be like, oh yeah, it might be like a mess. You know, we love mess. So there would be like a mess section where they're talking about like scandalous things happening in the community or beefs and stuff like that. So it really just paved the way for what black media looks like now. And I mean, like we probably wouldn't be here. a Shit like this wasn't started, you know?

05:41.79
Nandi K
definitely not yeah wow i love that and they were founded in new york city which is really cool very cool

05:42.64
Vance 😈
You know? So yeah, that's what I got.

05:47.81
Vance 😈
New York. Yeah, I meant to say that. Yeah.

05:52.02
Nandi K
I love that. Yeah, Black media is so important. I definitely didn't know what the name of the first Black media publication newspaper published in the United States.

06:02.07
Vance 😈
Yeah.

06:02.71
Nandi K
Wow.

06:03.38
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm.

06:03.51
Nandi K
1827. That's like 40 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

06:07.43
Vance 😈
Yep.

06:11.21
Nandi K
a little less than 40 years.

06:11.38
Vance 😈
Yes. Yes. Oh, we're free.

06:13.78
Nandi K
Yeah.

06:13.85
Vance 😈
no They were free men. And then what's his name?

06:16.25
Nandi K
yeah

06:16.57
Vance 😈
I believe it was Samuel. He was like the first nigga to graduate from a college. Like they, so he was already like popping.

06:21.50
Nandi K
Wow.

06:24.93
Vance 😈
And then the other one was a preacher.

06:29.30
Nandi K
Come on. I see that Samuel was light-skinned.

06:34.12
Vance 😈
I'm sure I, that, that.

06:34.94
Nandi K
But that nose? Unmistakable, honey. Un-mistakable.

06:39.65
Vance 😈
Yeah.

06:40.98
Nandi K
We love to see it. All right. Well, I'm going to start off with James Weldon Johnson. He's kind of a bigger one, but he is born in Jacksonville, Florida, born in 1871. So...

06:59.16
Nandi K
at the height of reconstruction almost reconstruction is such a short amount of time he was the son of James Johnson who was biracial and his wife his mom was from the Bahamas he went to a school called the Edwin Stanton school at the time was the first black public school in Florida

07:14.37
Vance 😈
Okay.

07:23.80
Nandi K
Now it's the Stanton College Preparatory High School. And that when I was in high school, it was the number one high school in the country. So it's gone on to be really incredible.

07:36.34
Nandi K
He was a part of the NAACP. And as most people know, is the person who wrote the poem on that went on to become Lift Every Voice and Sing, which is the Negro National Anthem.

07:46.57
Vance 😈
Nice.

07:48.10
Nandi K
His brother, Jay Rosamond Johnson, wrote the music to it. And that was originally a poem to honor Booker T. Washington, because they were on the Booker T.

07:58.39
Nandi K
Washington side of the argument between him and W.E.B. Du Bois. um Yeah, he's from here. Myself and my brothers all went to a middle school that was named after him, James Weldon Johnson.

08:13.75
Nandi K
And I have a fun fact that in Zora Neale Hurston's autobiography, Dust Tracks on the Road, she was like, this nigga ain't really black because ain't nothing about him black.

08:25.18
Nandi K
And I just thought that it's so funny because she's like, he don't walk like a nigga. He don't joke like a nigga. She basically goes through all the characteristics that you can even tell the fair-skinned nigga is a nigga.

08:37.99
Nandi K
And she says how he don't have none of that.

08:38.38
Vance 😈
Yeah.

08:40.60
Nandi K
And I also think that's so funny. And also being from Florida, it's on being from Jacksonville. This is a wild thing for me to imagine that he didn't seem like a nigga from here.

08:49.35
Vance 😈
Anomaly. Yeah.

08:56.02
Nandi K
Okay.

08:57.59
Vance 😈
I mean, yeah, Jacksonville, y'all y'all's reach is long. I'll well i'll be reading meeting Jacksonville niggas.

09:00.89
Nandi K
Indeed.

09:03.61
Vance 😈
be like, let me put my vest on.

09:05.69
Nandi K
Better be careful.

09:06.58
Vance 😈
Look, look, i and I am. ah ah What's it called? I love reading the Zora book how all these niggas know each other, which makes sense.

09:16.47
Nandi K
Oh, yeah. Well, they all went to New York.

09:19.63
Vance 😈
Yeah.

09:19.70
Nandi K
And since she's also from Florida, she's from right down the road.

09:22.71
Vance 😈
Oh, yeah, yeah.

09:23.58
Nandi K
She's from like an hour away from here. So she also lived in Jacksonville for a short amount of time.

09:26.46
Vance 😈
She probably always heard about him.

09:31.03
Nandi K
She went to school here. i wouldn't be surprised if she went to this school. That might be how they know each other.

09:36.09
Vance 😈
yeah

09:37.65
Nandi K
Who knows?

09:38.08
Vance 😈
Right.

09:39.00
Nandi K
And then they were also both in New York during the Harlem Renaissance. Jacksonville was a big stop on the way to New York for jazz musicians, poets, everybody during the Harlem Renaissance. A lot of people stopped through Jacksonville. So yeah, they all knew each other.

09:56.92
Vance 😈
Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll go on number two.

10:03.12
Nandi K
Let's do it.

10:04.25
Vance 😈
right. So number two, I got Mary Fields, otherwise known as Stagecoach Mary.

10:12.73
Nandi K
Ayyyy!

10:13.62
Vance 😈
all right. So ah she was the first black woman to be a star route postman for the USPS.

10:14.67
Nandi K
Blacked out!

10:19.84
Vance 😈
So um the reason they specify that was because basically if you had a long route where you had to like, you know, go to different states and shit, they contracted you out. So she technically did not work for the USPS, but nobody wanted to do that shit because it was niggas on the road.

10:29.90
Nandi K
Mmmmm.

10:36.63
Vance 😈
And by niggas, I mean thieves and bandits. Uh, and then the they, apparently the wolves were cutting up back then too. So there were wolves too.

10:44.38
Nandi K
Yes.

10:44.88
Vance 😈
So mama kept that blicky on her. She kept that thing on her. Um, and then like, I read a couple of, um, like excerpts about like some of her stories. I'm like, this bitch sound like a superhero.

10:55.83
Vance 😈
Like, uh, one time she said wolves tipped over her stage coach and she had to stay up all night.

10:56.18
Nandi K
yeah

11:02.72
Vance 😈
Just like fighting wolves. Yeah. But ah she didn't play. She liked to fight. She liked to drink. ah They had some dumbass rule where like a woman couldn't go to taverns and they're like the city was like, Mary could come.

11:16.41
Vance 😈
So, i make cause well, I think because she would shoot them. But anyway, um,

11:19.87
Nandi K
Right.

11:21.58
Vance 😈
Although she liked to fight, mama mama was passionate about children. So when she when she finally um retired, she started a laundry service out of her house and she used to babysit.

11:32.88
Vance 😈
um Some of the people in the community, they did not like that. She liked to fight and cuss and drink, so they would kind of be a little weary, but she was watching them kids. And the way that I like just to tie this into like us now, black women gonna keep a job.

11:41.82
Nandi K
right

11:48.75
Vance 😈
not only Not only that, um The house that has the the candy lady and or the babysitter, they do her hair in there.

11:58.71
Vance 😈
That house, I think we all got that.

11:59.10
Nandi K
here

12:01.21
Vance 😈
We all got that in every community, every hood, right?

12:02.97
Nandi K
Absolutely.

12:03.46
Vance 😈
ah I lived in one. I think I told you, I grew up in a house that had a... um My cousin, the daughter in the house, used to do hair. So people would be in there getting their hair done. And it was a babysitting house.

12:13.53
Nandi K
Oh my

12:14.55
Vance 😈
ah My aunt had a daycare. So there were kids in the house that were for the daycare. So it was that joke that i think Bernie Mac told where they all know the cops don' know when to kick the door down. But um but but yeah, like I grew up in one of these homes.

12:23.29
Nandi K
oh my god. ah

12:27.56
Vance 😈
So like when I just saw how it ended, i was like, oh, yeah, going to talk about this lady. But yeah, mama obamama was a beast.

12:33.11
Nandi K
yeah i mean stagecoach mary is everything fuck what they did by casting that light-skinned lady as stagecoach mary and the harder they fall they cast zazzy beats as stagecoach mary and that was a crime yes yes a crime jail

12:45.93
Vance 😈
Was she stagecoach Mary? She was stagecoach Mary? Bitch. i do I do recall this. In my head, I was like, in my head, I swear I thought it was Regina, only because, of course.

12:59.58
Nandi K
No, that would have actually made more sense.

13:02.30
Vance 😈
Yeah, no, in my head.

13:02.50
Nandi K
she

13:04.00
Vance 😈
Because I was like, why they make her a villain? Not Zazie Beetz.

13:07.95
Nandi K
Zazie B. It's so much wrong there.

13:12.98
Vance 😈
the the Let me stop.

13:15.06
Nandi K
Donald Glover, you will pay for your crimes.

13:17.34
Vance 😈
ah Okay, yeah, yeah, that's...

13:20.50
Nandi K
All right. All right. My next person is someone who's actually still living. All cops are bad, but he's not a cop anymore because he's old and he retired. But um his name is Nat Glover. He was the first black sheriff in Florida since the end of Reconstruction.

13:42.87
Nandi K
Literally, there had never been a sheriff that was black in the entire state until 1995.

13:53.83
Vance 😈
do These stats always stagger me. They always shock me.

13:59.26
Nandi K
isn't that why that's damn near a hundred years that's damn near a hundred years that

14:02.71
Vance 😈
Yeah, no, they always shock me. Hollywood would be like, the first black woman to to win this award. I'm like, you trying to say the black woman ain't good at acting?

14:13.95
Vance 😈
Are you saying that y'all racist? Y'all just ain't like...

14:16.63
Nandi K
well we all know we know yeah

14:17.83
Vance 😈
We know.

14:18.13
Aaron Rand Freeman
Yeah.

14:18.42
Vance 😈
We know. but like But they'd be so proud of themselves.

14:23.73
Vance 😈
2026, the third black woman to win. And it's always the second one, supporting actress.

14:25.69
Nandi K
Listen.

14:27.97
Vance 😈
Bitch, two just two?

14:28.47
Nandi K
Yeah.

14:29.56
Vance 😈
Okay.

14:29.94
Nandi K
Yeah. So Nat Glover is like another hometown hero. He also ran for mayor. He didn't win because, you know, racism.

14:39.98
Vance 😈
Yeah.

14:40.98
Nandi K
But it was the most expensive mayoral race in our city's history between him and the other person.

14:41.00
Vance 😈
Yeah.

14:49.50
Nandi K
He went on to become the president of Edward Waters University, which is a Gullah Geechee HBCU u here in Jacksonville.

14:56.86
Vance 😈
Ooh.

14:58.46
Nandi K
And the other reason I brought him up is because he's a member of Omega Psi Phi and so is my dad. And he served as a special advisor to the president of my college that I went to.

15:14.57
Nandi K
University of North Florida and that the president of the college at the time was the former mayor from when he was the sheriff, Mayor John Delaney. Anyways, my mom had abandoned me when I graduated from high school.

15:30.10
Nandi K
and dropped me on my daddy and my dad had to figure out in a couple of months how to get me to college and we went and met with Nat Glover and because they in the same frat they got me a little bit of money for college I got like I don't know a thousand dollars I didn't have a big fancy degree it's very cheap very cheap degree um and so yeah it That's special to me.

16:01.08
Nandi K
Again, all cops are bad, but now he's just a grandpa. Yeah. Nat Glover, hometown hero.

16:07.48
Vance 😈
Nice. Nice. of my favorite My favorite thing the black people be doing, black men, um just knowing somebody. Could black men know everybody?

16:16.95
Nandi K
Hey.

16:18.10
Vance 😈
Knowing somebody is the most unk shit.

16:19.03
Nandi K
The one of the things I like about the divine eye and especially because I'm not a part of the divine eye, but I've grown up entrenched in Greek culture.

16:24.86
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm.

16:27.63
Nandi K
And so I know so many Greek people. It's almost there's a thing. It's called a GDI when you're very Greek affiliated, but you're not Greek yourself.

16:38.32
Nandi K
A goddamn independent.

16:38.95
Vance 😈
oh huh

16:40.50
Nandi K
That's what I am. Yeah. Yeah, so my daddy ah knows him and that, oh, well, he he helped me. So, yeah.

16:49.59
Vance 😈
Yeah, no, it's awesome. Okay. All right. Number three for me. um Someone I know personally, actually, you know them too, 90.

16:56.45
Nandi K
Oh, shit. Hold on one second. My computer is about to die because I moved my desk over.

16:59.06
Vance 😈
Oh, sorry.

17:02.38
Nandi K
Hold on.

17:02.81
Vance 😈
Okay. Should I start over when you come back?

17:06.46
Nandi K
Sorry, my computer is about to die. I forgot.

17:13.28
Nandi K
One second, I just need to plug chin. Yeah, we'll just have to cut this out.

17:16.44
Vance 😈
All right.

17:17.58
Nandi K
like Okay.

17:18.92
Aaron Rand Freeman
That's

17:23.72
Vance 😈
All right, ready?

17:25.05
Nandi K
Yes, all right, who you got next?

17:27.50
Vance 😈
Alright, so who I got next? So, my number three is someone that I know personally, ah someone you know personally. Yeah, so, ah my number three is, I'll call her my LA mom, but she is also my friend, and a friend to a lot of people, a mother, you know, a lot of things.

17:33.48
Nandi K
Ooh.

17:41.59
Nandi K
Hey.

17:42.70
Vance 😈
But anyway, her name is ah Skyra Martinez, and, um...

17:45.84
Nandi K
Yes.

17:47.22
Vance 😈
She is one of the most interesting people i know. So she lives in l L.A., but she um she's she's she's from Canada. She was born an expat, so, like, she kind of grew up different than a lot of people.

17:58.40
Vance 😈
And, um you know, she grew up in a community of just, like, people. They're expats. They're, you know, they're, well, immigrants, but...

18:03.81
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

18:05.71
Vance 😈
ah But yeah, they're ah they're expats and they essentially grew up on a commune where like everybody kind of took care of each other and was very pro-black.

18:06.58
Nandi K
Yeah.

18:14.03
Vance 😈
And so then she comes and she's been in l LA.

18:14.90
Nandi K
Wow.

18:19.13
Vance 😈
I don't know how long she's been in LA, but like less than 20 years. But anyway, she just kind of randomly picked up and moved to LA and she ended up moving in this big like studio warehouse situation that is like...

18:27.97
Nandi K
yeah

18:29.99
Vance 😈
It's just real big So anyway She started doing programming For like, you know, just like She started like holding holding space for a community So like They just do programming So they would have like hydroponics Like teaching people how to grow food from the water thing I don't know, i don't understand hydroponics Because I didn't go But you know um um Organizing space um i One of my friends started a black healing space That's literally how I know you So like

18:56.18
Nandi K
Yeah, that's how we met.

18:58.39
Vance 😈
Right. So, so many of my closest connections at l LA are all just from the space, but the space, you know, we all talk about the space, but even deeper than that, like family dinner, you know, all the things, but even deeper than that is the person that holds the space, the person that like created the space and holds the space for everybody.

19:04.24
Nandi K
Yeah.

19:09.72
Nandi K
Yeah.

19:13.84
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

19:15.51
Vance 😈
And like, does not overly insert themselves when people are doing things, knows when to step back. So yeah, just a highlight Skyrim Martinez. ah That's my dog. She's a amazing person, you know?

19:25.22
Nandi K
Ugh.

19:27.51
Vance 😈
um And it's kind of like the like, I know people recognize it, but I think that it's almost like a bunch of visible connections. Because it's like, yo, any connection I made from that space wouldn't happened, you know?

19:35.45
Nandi K
Yeah.

19:39.53
Vance 😈
So.

19:40.60
Nandi K
Yeah. Yeah. She's really incredible. we would literally wouldn't have met if it weren't for the spaces that she facilitates.

19:46.97
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm.

19:51.09
Nandi K
So yeah. So special. Wow. Oh, That makes me a little bit emotional because what I do like is some of these people are alive.

20:01.40
Vance 😈
Yeah Yeah, yeah

20:01.90
Nandi K
Nat Glover is still alive. I wanted to make sure I included someone who was still alive.

20:06.36
Vance 😈
yeah yeah

20:07.70
Nandi K
All right. My last person is someone that I used to be around a lot when I was growing up personally. it's a woman. Her name was Maeveen Betch.

20:18.61
Nandi K
And here in Jacksonville, she was known as the Beach Lady. um She was an American environmentalist and activist and her grandparents, mainly her grandfather, his name was Abraham Lincoln Lewis. He was a millionaire and he founded Florida's second oldest African-American beach, which is called American Beach.

20:41.94
Nandi K
And it's like an hour from my house or something. Yeah. And then she is a great granddaughter Zephaniah Kingsley and Anna Kingsley. And Zephaniah Kingsley is actually the slave owner that owned most of the land that Jacksonville sits on.

21:02.01
Nandi K
He married, in quotes, one of his s slaves, Anna Kingsley, Anna Kingsley. And when he died, passed everything to her.

21:13.37
Nandi K
Obviously, we don't really know what the situation was like, but that land stayed in their family with Black people. I grew up spending a lot of time on Kingsley Plantation.

21:23.78
Vance 😈
Yeah.

21:27.74
Nandi K
Kingsley Plantation is also like maybe 30 minutes from American Beach. I was just in the area last week. Kingsley Plantation is now obviously a museum. I spent so much time there as a kid. They obviously have like the big house. They have replica slave quarters that were out there.

21:48.34
Nandi K
They have all the stuff about indigo dye. And this woman was the most striking person I ever seen in my life.

22:01.56
Nandi K
i She had this long gray, like one giant lock. And it was really long.

22:13.30
Nandi K
And it was down to the ground. And she would wear it wrapped around her arm. full of jewelry she will also be covered in jewelry she looked like uh like she was going to like some kind of initiation for african traditional religion all the time she was the most beautiful elderly woman because mind you she was born in 1935 so she's old lady When I am a kid, she's already an old lady when I know her. She passed away in 2005, but I used to see her at Kingsley Plantation. i used to see her at the festival that we used to have here called World of Nations. We still have that.

22:57.53
Nandi K
She was just a community staple. And I feel so grateful to have been around her. to like literally touch some of the most important history and talk with and be inspired Because like when I, I'm playing, I've played a lot of witches in D&D campaigns and I'm playing a witch that is directly inspired by this lady because she just lives in my mind as like a spirit, an ancestor that I had the the like great pleasure of coming into contact with when I was,

23:34.17
Nandi K
a kid and being really proud of being black and even being, even meeting this person who was literally the great granddaughter of someone who was enslaved.

23:45.57
Vance 😈
Mm-hmm

23:45.69
Nandi K
Like,

23:48.62
Nandi K
That's wild. um Anyway, also she has a huge family. Her brother is like a jazz musician here. She has a sister who is still alive who's anthropologist. Just like they really care about Black history and Black art. And yeah, I feel really grateful to have been influenced by Maeveen bitch. What fantastic lady.

24:13.14
Vance 😈
Nice that be still thing

24:13.88
Nandi K
Yeah. Hmm?

24:16.22
Vance 😈
The beach is still they with the blacks.

24:16.41
Nandi K
The beach? Yeah, yeah, yeah. still I just drove by it last week. Well, anyone can go there now because segregation is over.

24:21.82
Vance 😈
Yeah, yeah.

24:22.65
Nandi K
But it might be coming back. Who knows?

24:25.02
Vance 😈
I mean, yeah, I'm sure.

24:26.10
Nandi K
Who knows what's going to happen?

24:26.42
Vance 😈
um Nice.

24:29.46
Nandi K
Yeah, who did you have, Erin?

24:29.65
Vance 😈
No, that's

24:31.02
Nandi K
Did you have some people?

24:33.35
Aaron Rand Freeman
Um, so I didn't know whether I didn't i have one contemporary and then one person who is no longer with us. So we have Jerry Lawson.

24:40.63
Nandi K
Yeah.

24:43.86
Aaron Rand Freeman
He is ah an engineer from San Francisco by way of Brooklyn.

24:46.30
Nandi K
Nice. Wow.

24:48.44
Aaron Rand Freeman
He created he is the um he was the lead the head of the team that came up with the idea of putting video games on separate cartridges. In 1970, in the early games, used to be locked into gangs your your hardware.

24:58.72
Vance 😈
Wow.

25:01.50
Aaron Rand Freeman
You had one box of six games.

25:02.01
Vance 😈
m

25:02.74
Aaron Rand Freeman
That was what you had on it.

25:03.93
Vance 😈
Right.

25:04.15
Aaron Rand Freeman
He was the one that came up with the idea to start putting games on separate cartridges so you can start swapping them out. And yeah, these guys put together a console was called the Fairchild Channel F 1972.

25:11.26
Vance 😈
Revolutionary.

25:18.15
Nandi K
Wow.

25:18.58
Aaron Rand Freeman
nineteen seventy six 1976 didn't do well, but it did what was followed up. The technology was followed up with by the Atari, which everybody knows and which became gaming as we understood it.

25:27.57
Vance 😈
Right.

25:29.24
Aaron Rand Freeman
So he was the ah he was the person that came up with the idea of gaming on medium that can travel at all.

25:35.06
Vance 😈
Always.

25:35.22
Nandi K
Yeah, we wouldn't have Atari.

25:36.05
Aaron Rand Freeman
Right.

25:36.72
Vance 😈
Always.

25:36.90
Nandi K
We wouldn't have any game systems if it weren't for that thought.

25:37.34
Vance 😈
Always. Yeah.

25:39.25
Aaron Rand Freeman
Right.

25:40.28
Vance 😈
yeah

25:41.94
Nandi K
Separate games as a thought, period.

25:41.91
Vance 😈
Yeah.

25:42.11
Aaron Rand Freeman
Right.

25:45.11
Vance 😈
Yeah.

25:45.21
Aaron Rand Freeman
right

25:45.47
Vance 😈
No, it's always like that. Like we push it and we don't get the credit or recognition, but then the thing, the technology takes off and then we all know the technology.

25:49.87
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

25:54.23
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

25:54.67
Aaron Rand Freeman
To the point where you then even know as a company. So you're like, who invented the cartridge? And someone would say Atari, which is not a person.

26:01.24
Nandi K
Right.

26:01.56
Aaron Rand Freeman
All the time.

26:01.82
Vance 😈
Right, right, right.

26:02.20
Nandi K
Right.

26:02.36
Aaron Rand Freeman
All the time.

26:03.80
Nandi K
Yeah.

26:03.80
Vance 😈
Well, that that should tip you off that it's a black person.

26:06.46
Nandi K
Mm-hmm.

26:06.84
Vance 😈
but

26:07.10
Nandi K
Ooh!

26:07.83
Aaron Rand Freeman
a lot of time

26:08.98
Nandi K
Ooh!

26:09.18
Vance 😈
said, oh, it's Unk.

26:12.10
Nandi K
All right. And who else you got?

26:15.38
Aaron Rand Freeman
ah Contemporary, we have one. Asia Smith, the first black woman referee on a professional wrestling on a regularly televised black wrestling promotion as of 2022.

26:26.98
Nandi K
Yes.

26:28.31
Vance 😈
Yeah.

26:28.63
Aaron Rand Freeman
She was the first she was um the first black woman to referee a match in WrestleMania. And therefore, in her career started there and then went from there.

26:39.25
Aaron Rand Freeman
So yeah, she's a contemporary historical figure. She is alive and on Instagram right now.

26:42.50
Vance 😈
I see it.

26:44.92
Vance 😈
Nice.

26:45.18
Nandi K
Wow,

26:46.71
Aaron Rand Freeman
if

26:46.74
Nandi K
hot.

26:47.10
Vance 😈
Nice.

26:47.38
Nandi K
Oh my goodness. Wow, I'm really about to get back into wrestling. This is is pulling me. Is it time? Oh,

26:57.62
Aaron Rand Freeman
ah Yes, it is actually probably the best time for you to enjoy wrestling.

27:02.07
Nandi K
exciting. This is exciting stuff. Well... Shout out to us giving flowers to Black people who are still here, number one. So important. And also, i hope y'all learned a little bit today. Who are y'all's Black history phase? Drop a comment wherever you listen to this podcast.

27:23.06
Nandi K
Did we miss someone who you thought was important? Tell us.

27:30.10
Nandi K
um As always, ah today's episode is sponsored by Big Literacy. Big Literacy wants you to read books for a pizza party.

27:37.07
Vance 😈
area Read now. Get a pizza party if you read 24 books.

27:43.64
Aaron Rand Freeman
I'm scared.

27:47.19
Vance 😈
might put something on it.

27:51.03
Nandi K
i might put $5 on that personal pan. You know, personal pans are $8 now, so...

27:56.82
Vance 😈
listen if

27:58.06
Nandi K
I'm only going to be able to do part of it, but read those 25 books.

27:59.29
Vance 😈
yeah

28:02.39
Vance 😈
twenty five books let us know

28:02.63
Nandi K
I'll send you a little

28:06.94
Vance 😈
oh Big thanks to our audio producer, Audio Adonis, Aaron Rand Freeman. I have been Vance Goh, and you can find me on IG and threads. It's not. It is threads. um At Sir Lance of Thought.

28:20.99
Vance 😈
Where can they find you, friend?

28:22.55
Nandi K
And I'm Nandi Kay. Y'all can find me as always on Instagram, threads in blue sky at Nandi Kay, Y, Y, Y. y'all.

28:32.88
Vance 😈
See y'all. Love y'all.