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KARL STANDLEY: If players enjoy
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out there and they feel that
they can perform at the highest

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level and when they do that and
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for me it wraps all as one.
We've just made a moment.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Tonight the
first whistle blows on the 2026

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FIFA Men's World Cup. Around the
world, flags are flying,

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sweepstakes have been drawn and
fans are gathering to watch the

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game's greatest players battle
it out on football's grandest

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stage. But beneath every pass,
tackle and goal lies something

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we rarely think about. The pitch
itself. That perfect grassy

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green surface doesn't just host
the game, it can shape how it's

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played.

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I'm Rosie Holdsworth, Ranger at
the National Trust. Welcome to

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Wild Tales and the story of what
makes a pitch perfect.

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Today we're at Wembley Stadium,
the home of the England's men's

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and women's national football
teams, to meet Carl Stanley,

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Wembley's Head Of Grounds and
Surface Transitions.

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KARL STANDLEY: In short terms,
my job is to maintain and

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deliver probably one of the
world's most famous and iconic

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pieces of grass, which is the
hallowed turf of Wembley.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: And Wembley's
world-famous pitch has become

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the example that the North
American grounds teams are

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striving to emulate for this
year's World Cup.

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KARL STANDLEY: The World Cup
pitches, they've gone from what

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are NFL surfaces, whether it is
the guys who are in LA and

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they're putting grass into a
stadium that has a roof on it. I

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mean, and Dallas Cowboys, the
exact same. The stadiums are

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being adapted like no one would
believe. They're all being grown

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off site.

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The pitches, a lot of them are
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again because they're on full
construction so they're looking

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at everything we have here at
Wembley. They're looking at the

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drainage, they're looking at the
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an in-situ irrigation system.

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The American grounds industry is
just pushing and striving

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incredibly at the moment and
we've had a fair few of them

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come over and see, like how
we're installing and working

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with grass under sort of strict
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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Standing pitch
side, the grass looks flawless,

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lush and meticulously
maintained. But there's quite a

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complexity to football pitches
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KARL STANDLEY: A lot of the
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pitches are very much the same.
A lot of them are injected with

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artificial fibres. It's called a
hybrid system. They're winter

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sports pitches. So they're grown
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If you don't have that stitch in
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imagine going to the beach and
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where the wind's blowing and the
sand is dry. It's loose

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underfoot. That's why we have
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those pitches.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: And Wembley is
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KARL STANDLEY: Now, this model
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different. We have it in a
carpet form, which means we can

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go from concert to football in
two and a half days. This is

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English football at its best.
And with that, Wembley plays a

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huge part because when we have
Taylor Swift, the profit that

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this company makes goes back
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If we have a stitched model,
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the Premier League have, you
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window where you take out the
old pitch and then you refresh,

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you replenish with sand, and
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then you go, right, I've got the
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So you grow it in. With Wembley.
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so our pitches are grown
off-site at the turf farm. It's

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a secret location away from
here. These pitches are

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harvested at the turf farm late
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morning, when it's the coolest
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Concerts are in. They've killed
all the pitch, the previous

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pitch. The staging's gone out,
the flooring's come off. That's

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where then it goes into
recycling. And then we have the

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brand new pitch laid out over
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you could play football in it.
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There was a moment last year
when we had our pitch coming out

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down here and we had Oasis'
stage still here, the cranes,

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the arctic trucks, the thousands
of tons of steel work still

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being removed.

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The following day the first lot
of turf went down so 400 odd

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rolls, second day 400 rolls,
that evening we rolled it,

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nutrients, started to prep it.
The following day you could have

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played football at a 7.30
kickoff and no one would have

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known that four days ago you had
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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: The logistical
precision that's needed to

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enable the stadium to flick
between concerts and

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championships is astounding and
that precision runs through

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every aspect of maintaining this
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KARL STANDLEY: We've got
equipment that we bring out, we

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drop a Clegg hammer onto the
pitch to see the hardness. So

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again, what energy the player
will bring back through their

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body. We have instruments that
are then tracking the rotational

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resistance, so at what point
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We'll take measurements. When we
track all the areas that we're

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testing, it's going straight
onto an iPad. That will then

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give us a heat map at the end of
that test about everything think

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about the playing surface.

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So, for instance, the size of
our stadium, we are six months

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in shade. Grass needs sunlight
to grow. So when the sun comes

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over the stadium's roof around
about March time, the north side

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where we are now, by the players
tunnel, is in natural light.

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The rest of it's being grown
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will then start playing
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So again, these heat maps then
almost track what we're doing

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with the playing surface, but
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to do at its own rate as well.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: The condition
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fundamentally shape the way
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length, the consistency of the
cut and levels of watering all

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influence how the ball travels
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KARL STANDLEY: The condition
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game at Wembley is slick and
fast. So for FA Cup final, for

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Champions League, for
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internationals, 22 millimetres
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You'll then see sprinklers on
the pitch pop up when players

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are arriving.

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We'll normally do like a two
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slicken the leaf up and then
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on after warm-ups. So the
players have played, shall we

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say, or trained in a match
condition at warm-ups. That

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water sometimes evaporates so we
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after warm-ups. That will get us
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More sprinklers go up and what
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keep moisture retention there on
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friction. When the ball is
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and it's dry, it will hold up in
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add water to it, it reduces the
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actually makes the ball spin
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We have millionaire players, in
billionaire teams, playing on

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The fear and risk of injury is
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you look at the pitch, our
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allow the player to play at the
best of their performance. They

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don't walk onto the pitch, give
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be a tough game today.

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It doesn't feel safe. So that's
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that we always say, is it safe?
Is it playable? Are the two

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things we always have an
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Is it stripy and green? Is the
third. Aesthetics is very

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important, of course. It's
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people watching it at home, for
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Wembley stadium in the FA.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: But could the
clubs be strategic with the

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pitch maintenance to play to
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against their opponents?

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KARL STANDLEY: Yes, you could
have it longer. It could slow

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the ball down. If you had a very
quick moving team in your

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stadium and you were the home
team and you wanted to slow the

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game down and cause them
problems, yeah, you could do.

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But the Premier League are very,
very tight. Every pitch should

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be consistent and also it's
player safety. That's why we

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take so much data.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: So I really
love grass. I'm a bit of a grass

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nerd and many people don't
realise that grass isn't just

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grass. There's multiple
different species. Some of the

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things that look like grass
aren't actually grass and some

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of them have. really cool
flowering plants hiding in there

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And what's happening on the
surface can tell you a lot about

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what's going on in the soils and
how healthy an ecosystem is. So

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I'm really interested to know
exactly what's happening under

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KARL STANDLEY: It's a European
ryegrass, cold season grass. So

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anything over six degrees, it
will start to grow. Anything

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under six degrees, it will stunt
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But then with it, if we have any
weather that's over, say, 30

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degrees, high humidity, The
energy in the plant, the cell

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structure, everything with a
piece of grass is natural. We'll

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then start to go, this is too
much for me, and then we start

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having concerns with the pitch.
It overwhelms it, shall we say.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Because the
grass contains artificial fibres

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woven into it, recycling the
pitch is a complex challenge.

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Wembley currently repurposes
used pitches into merchandise

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such as key rings and even
furniture, including the bench

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beside the players' tunnel. But
their drive to innovate hasn't

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KARL STANDLEY: Now the cool bit
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West End, this area here is new
technology. It's the first part

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which we understand to be in
Europe. But the idea of this bit

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is we can't really go into too
much detail, but it's made of

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certain ingredients. We'll allow
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it and over three years it will
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this is a new trial we have here
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From the white line onwards is
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when we talk about the grass, it
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players are going to warm up,
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They're going to leaf tear. The
grass has to regenerate. It's

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also this type of speck of grass
because of the harvesting, the

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install and the stresses that we
put our pitch through before a

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player has even played on it.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: And what about
those sliding players? After all

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the work that goes into creating
such an immaculate pitch, it

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can't be easy to watch.

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KARL STANDLEY: If players enjoy
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out there and they feel that
they can perform at the highest

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level and when they do that and
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for me it wraps all as one.
We've just made a moment.

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And Carvajal, who is a Real
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recent Champions League final
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he slid right in this corner in
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nice slickness on the surface
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previously. And he slid for like
10 metres. Next thing you know,

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all the players are now sliding
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And for days, because he had
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any of the grass. What he had
done is he had pushed the grass

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in, so it was like memory, like
laying flat. So for like four

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days after. There are these knee
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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: So knee slides
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worries. Another challenge
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experiencing, is climate change.

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High temperatures, torrential
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Changing weather patterns are
putting grass under increasing

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pressure. So how is Wembley
ensuring its world-famous pitch

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can cope with the demands of a
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KARL STANDLEY: We feel it in the
stadium because this is a giant

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concrete bowl as well. In the
summer, it's an oven. In the

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winter, it's a freezer. The
pitch, some days you can leave

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it in the most pristine
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following day and you're like,
what's happened overnight? A

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drizzle in the stadium, 24
degrees. Right, that's going to

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get the disease spores to then
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And then suddenly we get grass
diseases, looking at fungicides,

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looking at herbicides. Like,
we're trying to come away from

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that. And one thing with
Wembley, we're trying to use

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more sustainable methods and
more cultural processes to then

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eliminate any risk of disease.
But that is also massively

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linked to climate change.

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So we're having to now use
technology, which you would

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weirdly find in a hospital, and
a surgeon would use to then

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cleanse the scalpels and the
instruments they were to use for

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surgery. So we're now looking at
things like using UVC light to

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then disperse the spores of
disease on the pitch. So there's

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quite some interesting links,
but it all goes back to global

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warming.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Wembley's
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Using UVC light to tackle grass
disease is a remarkable example

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of how technology is reshaping
modern groundskeeping. So I

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wanted to see some of the
specialist equipment responsible

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for keeping this iconic turf in
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And where better to start than
with robots?

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KARL STANDLEY: So this is the
robot. So this is working on the

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pitch delivering ultraviolet
light which then tries to

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eradicate pathogens and disease.
It uses the same technology as a

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lidar which is a Tesla for
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And then it will use that to
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playing surface on a dot map.
Its nickname is Betty.

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This is a tractor rake and this
is what we would then drag

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across the pitch like you would
a hand rake in your back garden

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it then lifts up any organic any
leaf material and they would

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have small machines that go over
and hoover up any of the organic

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and leaf out and it just keeps
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possible.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Like most
people my first impression of a

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football pitch was the
immaculate mowing patterns and I

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soon discovered the mowers
themselves were just as

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impressive. In my role as a
Ranger we have our own

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specialist mowing equipment, but
it's very, very different to

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this. Ours is for managing
habitats and reducing fire risk

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on the moors. So it's a very
different set of machinery, but

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just as cool.

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KARL STANDLEY: These mowers in
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elite mowers. And the blades on
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blade cassette. And those blades
are spinning at a ridiculous

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amount of RPM. And when they go
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this machine in front of you.
You've got like a roller with

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grooves in, that brings the
grass together. The bristles

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behind then stand the leaf up
because sometimes grass doesn't

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always go straight up, it will
go at an angle. It then grooms

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the grass to then be cut by that
red cassette. Think of it as a

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scissor, the bottom blade and
the cylinder connect and cut the

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grass.

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It then flips the grass through
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front of here is normally a
grass collector, a bucket should

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we say. Now those blades have to
be as sharp as possible. So if

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we get a poor cut on the grass,
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If we get a very sharp and clean
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the grass and that will allow
better recovery and a healthier

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grass plant. A healthier grass
plant, potentially the more

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games we can have, the more
games we have, the more revenue

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we make, the more we put back
into grassroots. And it's just

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keeping that natural grass as
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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: As we headed
back onto the pitch we could see

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the grounds team looking very
busy with what looked like a

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heavy duty oversized lawnmower.

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KARL STANDLEY: So what they're
doing is they're aerating with

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these giant great tines so when
we're actually putting the holes

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in the ground we were leaving
the compaction but at the same

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time we're allowing oxygen to
get into the roots for the roots

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to take the oxygen in. Where
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So you imagine a tine going
through there these roots are

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then going to find that space
and they're going to grow into

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those cracks that we've made. So
again that's how we get our

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roots to penetrate down past the
carpet that's underneath this, a

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small amount of carpet, into the
sand so that's where they're

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collecting all the nutrients.

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Whereas a hybrid carpet system,
when we harvest the pitch the

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machine cuts the roots off,
rolls it in a very flat roll,

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all the work we've done for 16
weeks is just gone and then when

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it comes into the stadium we
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It's great because we also have
a good canopy to work with,

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which is the grass, and then we
try and push those roots back

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down, which is why we use the
aeration systems like the

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ProCores. We put millions of
holes in the pitch.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Together,
these elite tools help Carl and

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his grounds team maintain
Wembley's flawless, perfectly

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striped pitch. It can feel
almost clinical in its

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precision, but nature rarely
works that way. Spend some time

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in a garden or a park, and it
won't be long before wildlife

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starts to emerge. Amid all this
control and perfection has

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wildlife still been able to
flourish at Wembley?

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KARL STANDLEY: You're not going
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you're not going to get anything
like worms, because you don't

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have the organic content it's
very very sand based because

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it's a winter sports pitch. Some
of the things we do get are from

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very much above so you might
have small little flies in there

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the ladybugs they'll be
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We try and remove them off the
pitch before we go and work Many

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a time you'll see one of my
grounds team pick one up and

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just try to move it somewhere so
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We do have crows in here. We
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roof. We have had some birds of
prey. We also have pigeons. The

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crows don't like the pigeons.
The pigeons don't like the

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crows. The ladybugs don't like
the crows. We've had a few

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kestrels have a go at a few
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So it does have its nice little
ecology as well that we have.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: And with that,
it's time for me to swap the

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city for the wild comfort of the
Pennines, carrying with me a new

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appreciation of the grass
beneath the game and the people

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who work tirelessly to maintain
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And as the World Cup takes over
our screens, our conversations

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and our dreams, the question
remains, just how prepared will

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England be?

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KARL STANDLEY: England trained
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and the pitches at Tottenham
where they were training, and St

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George's Park where they started
their training camp, all of

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those pitches were the same as
what will be delivered at a

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World Cup.

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Yes, the grass is different, but
with England, we've given them

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everything we can as Wembley to
give everything England need

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from a pitch performance.
They've got games and friendlies

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in Tampa, getting used to the
climate, getting used to the

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pitch conditions. They'll be
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These players also, they play
everywhere. They can be playing

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at the Santiago Bernabeu. The
following week they could be

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playing a Champions League game
in Latvia. They could even be

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going into Sweden playing on
artificial pitches. So when you

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look at a player, they are very
adaptable and we hope they can

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bring it home.

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It's an absolute honour and a
pleasure to be around both of

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our men's and our women's team
because they're such incredible

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teams. The technical teams, the
management teams, the players

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themselves. It's great to see
English football thriving. So,

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yeah, fingers crossed, men's and
women's, they can bring more

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silverware and goldware back to
Wembley Stadium.

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ROSIE HOLDSWORTH: Thanks for
listening to this episode of

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Wild Tales with me, Rosie
Holdsworth. Why not follow us on

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Instagram at wildtalesnt and let
us know who you're supporting in

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the World Cup or what your
favourite type of grass is. See

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you soon.

