00:00.03
Talal K
Oh.

00:01.50
alexei sayle
Hello everybody, welcome to episode 127 of the Alexi Sale podcast. The Fiat 127, that was a car when I was, I guess I would think, in my, just after I'd left college and was doing our jobs and teaching.

00:10.26
Talal K
oh

00:18.91
alexei sayle
That was one of the cars that middle class people, you know, you call middle class people, suppose, college lecturers and so on and so forth. That was one of the cars that they would buy along with the Citroën de Cheveau.

00:32.28
alexei sayle
um you know, to to to signal to the rest of the world that they were, they had, you know, they followed a kind of continental aesthetic. was also, um ms yeah, it was boxy.

00:41.77
Talal K
Mmm, nice little boxy thing.

00:44.76
alexei sayle
It was a hatchback, you know, which British Leland never really got around to making until much, much, much too late.

00:47.01
Talal K
Oh.

00:53.08
alexei sayle
Now, think the first one was the Maxi, which was just insane. and But so, yeah, I think it was styled by, it was it styled by Bertone? Tony.

01:04.87
Talal K
Styled by...

01:05.56
alexei sayle
Yeah. They don't just appear cars. Somebody has to design them.

01:10.85
Talal K
uh-huh it's i really like it oh my god i've seen them around obviously uh pio manzu italian designer pio manzu uh designed it

01:12.57
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:20.28
alexei sayle
I don't know who that was. All right.

01:24.31
alexei sayle
I don't know who that was. All But, i you know, it's a... Yeah.

01:29.50
Talal K
Sorry to live fact check you.

01:29.50
alexei sayle
Yeah.

01:31.96
Talal K
How do you feel about that? Some people get annoyed that I'm i'm Googling why you talk.

01:36.34
alexei sayle
Do they?

01:36.47
Talal K
oh

01:36.70
alexei sayle
want see Well, that's...

01:37.69
Talal K
Well, one person did.

01:39.58
alexei sayle
well with Well, that's just important, you know, so we should be accurate, i think.

01:40.34
Talal K
They said, just be in the moment. Can't you just stop and just be in the moment?

01:48.54
Talal K
Yeah, well, every mistake you make gets us 10 times more comments. so

01:52.08
alexei sayle
Oh, does it? All right, okay.

01:54.23
Talal K
No, not to put you on edge, make mistakes. You know, whatever. We're not experts on anything here.

01:57.88
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, Fiat 127. I think that formed the basis of later the yeah the lader the Russian larder that was exported around the world, that basic shape, really. More the saloon, the 124.

02:12.47
alexei sayle
The saloon, which can became the larder, was made in a factory in Togliatti, I think Togliatti,

02:21.42
alexei sayle
Grad, which was a city to make named after the leader of the Italian Communist Party.

02:29.15
Talal K
Uh-huh, uh-huh. The modern Fiat 127 couldn't look more different, really.

02:36.22
alexei sayle
They still make 127, so such I mean, Fiat cars are sort of being pushed out of the way, haven't they, by Japanese and Korean and now Chinese manufacturers.

02:49.69
Talal K
really?

02:51.10
alexei sayle
Very few people. up Well, Fiat is part of the Stellantis group, isn't it which it?

02:56.95
Talal K
Exactly, yeah.

02:57.90
alexei sayle
Which includes a number of brands, Chrysler, um does that

03:03.58
Talal K
think Vauxhall as well.

03:04.82
alexei sayle
Jeep, Vauxhall, Opel.

03:07.77
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:08.60
alexei sayle
ah So there's all that going on.

03:12.12
Talal K
Will you ever buy an electric car?

03:14.94
alexei sayle
I mean, I'm not inclined to, really. I think it's all kind of performative, isn't it, all that electric car shit, really? I mean, I've got car, which is what I know, 2011, so it's 15 years old. i mean, and it you know, it's ah it's a big old diesel.

03:31.42
alexei sayle
um

03:31.84
Talal K
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

03:32.86
alexei sayle
I don't use it very much, but I think it would just be... i can Well, I think, well, you know, it's ah it's it's been made, you know, the the ecological damage has been done in its manufacture, really.

03:46.24
alexei sayle
So I'm inclined to hang on to it. And I'm very fond of it as well.

03:50.14
Talal K
Right.

03:51.14
alexei sayle
So, that you know, um um I think all this, mean, let a lot of this electric car stuff is, you know, it's just a way to keep on consuming without actually addressing...

04:05.34
alexei sayle
the real problems of the capitalism, monopoly capitalism causes the environments and they're they're very heavy, aren't they? So they really, they really dig up the roads more and they also leave a lot more um rubber, you know, rubber particles and stuff.

04:21.64
Talal K
Oh, I never thought of that. Yeah.

04:22.74
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. The tires really wear out, I think, much more rapidly. mean, so you know, Chinese are addressing these problems of weight and stuff. I think there's a solid... They're working on a solid-state battery, whatever that is. up But nevertheless, now at the moment, it's all just...

04:40.25
Talal K
Have you ever ah have you ever leased a car?

04:43.35
alexei sayle
No, I always... to tip Well, of course, when I was a motion customer, I used to get a different car every week, so...

04:49.08
Talal K
That was like on loan, though. Yeah, they.

04:50.58
alexei sayle
Yeah, they were just on loan, yeah. um No, so I've always... Then I've always... The cars I've owned myself, I've always just bought. I mean, often, yeah, just, I mean, a couple I actually bought from Citroën Direct, the two C6s that I've had.

05:11.54
alexei sayle
No, I've never leased a car.

05:12.76
Talal K
Yeah, this is what is it?

05:13.56
alexei sayle
Some people say it's a good idea.

05:16.61
Talal K
But it's so expensive. It's not cheap.

05:18.77
alexei sayle
Well, yeah, I don't, I don't, yeah.

05:20.26
Talal K
It's hundreds of quid a month. So you've got to be of a certain bracket to be able to afford to do that. I guess, you know, i just buy it.

05:26.52
alexei sayle
Yeah. I know some people like it and they get new car every two years or something.

05:31.58
Talal K
And then what happens to the old one? Someone else leases it or.

05:34.15
alexei sayle
I guess, yeah, or they sell it on the second second market, yeah.

05:35.19
Talal K
they sell it secondhand. okay Okay, and it's a way to just make sure you always have the latest model, isn't it?

05:43.69
alexei sayle
I think so. And there may be other advantages.

05:44.28
Talal K
Well, it's a bit.

05:45.64
alexei sayle
People want to um email or text or whatever in

05:50.39
Talal K
Yes, listeners at home, do you lease? Let us know why, what the benefits are. We'd love to hear from you. Text in at 84110. Text cost, your standard network weight, plus one pound per text.

06:05.19
Talal K
Text stop, to stop receiving.

06:05.40
alexei sayle
Is that really our text?

06:08.02
Talal K
No, no, no, no.

06:09.01
alexei sayle
No.

06:09.11
Talal K
yeah That would be great. But no, we've got emails, alexisailpodcast.gmail.com. You can message us on our Patreon, patreon.com forward slash alexisailpodcast. Of course, you can contact us on Instagram at alexisailpod.

06:19.64
alexei sayle
Yeah.

06:24.06
Talal K
All goes through me.

06:24.06
alexei sayle
Did you have something you wanted? I'm sorry, go on.

06:26.42
Talal K
All goes through me, of course. Something I want to talk about. I don't know.

06:29.72
alexei sayle
Yeah.

06:31.00
Talal K
Something pissed me off this week. I'm so fat and old and ugly. that whenever I'm at a nightclub with my girlfriend, she always gets concerned citizens pulling her aside and asking if she's okay and if she needs any help.

06:49.64
Talal K
We're just dancing on the, we're just innocently dancing on the dance floor.

06:51.96
alexei sayle
but ah

06:54.81
Talal K
And now I've just, I don't even know, I can't hear them because she's there. She's like whispering in my girlfriend's ear, but now I just know what they're fucking saying.

06:58.52
alexei sayle
ah

07:01.69
Talal K
It's happened that often. And it's really starting to wind me the fuck up.

07:03.99
alexei sayle
ah she She doesn't accidentally make that sign from the Hunger Games he's supposed to make. You're

07:11.35
Talal K
No, she doesn't.

07:11.67
alexei sayle
deaf. Your

07:12.67
Talal K
She always turns around goes, she's bewildered every time. she goes, no no, no, I love him. And they're like, okay.

07:18.90
alexei sayle
ah not that your age is...

07:19.44
Talal K
And then they'll come back later and be like, are you sure you're okay? Like, honestly, they'll follow up with her. And then she'll go he's my long-term boyfriend of seven years. We live together.

07:29.91
alexei sayle
Your ages aren't that different, are they?

07:30.42
Talal K
And then,

07:32.04
alexei sayle
Are they really?

07:34.04
Talal K
it makes me wonder, is it,

07:36.82
alexei sayle
Something to do with you.

07:36.89
Talal K
is Are we that different or is it a bit of racism in there? I don't know. or do i do I just look like Shrek and she looks like fucking a ginger princess Diana? I don't know. She's she know she's she's way above my lead.

07:51.61
alexei sayle
Yeah.

07:51.80
Talal K
you know i won't say she's not, but fucking hell, man. and It's hurtful. It really ruined my night last time. i like, I'm here to here to have a nice time.

08:01.59
alexei sayle
Yeah?

08:01.72
Talal K
People assume I'm some fucking lecherous creep on the dance floor.

08:02.01
alexei sayle
It's not that great in any difference in your ages, is there, Ruth?

08:09.13
Talal K
I've seen bigger differences. It's not that great a difference, no.

08:11.51
alexei sayle
Right, yeah.

08:12.82
Talal K
But she looks younger than she is.

08:15.66
alexei sayle
That's true, she does, yeah.

08:16.86
Talal K
And so, oh it's it's hurtful.

08:21.91
alexei sayle
Well, I... i

08:24.50
Talal K
So I understand the need, like, you know, I've seen people be ah creeped on on in the dance floor and, you know, I've had to step in here and there, but when does that...

08:34.52
alexei sayle
But if you're dancing in happily together, it's not like you're, you know, yeah.

08:37.75
Talal K
Exactly, I'm not creeping on her. And she's like giving me the same attention I'm giving her. So people are just looking at our faces and instantly making a judgment call.

08:42.55
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

08:48.54
Talal K
People need to stop fucking doing that. I think there is a, it's always white girls who do it.

08:50.84
alexei sayle
Yeah.

08:53.02
Talal K
So I think there might be an element of race and racism in there, but I see racism everywhere.

08:53.41
alexei sayle
No, really.

08:57.60
Talal K
You know, maybe I'm too sensitive, but leave us alone.

09:00.28
alexei sayle
Well, if you see Talal out with his girlfriend, um don't approach him, whatever you do. Just call the police.

09:11.48
Talal K
Just go go straight to the, right, I'll deal with the police.

09:13.37
alexei sayle
Yeah.

09:14.58
Talal K
Because you know they have much preferable treatment for brown people than white people as we have learnt.

09:18.81
alexei sayle
Of course, and Nigel Farage, they do. Yeah.

09:21.72
Talal K
um I think we have to touch on Southampton a bit. It's it's it's such a sad story and it's being politicized

09:26.87
alexei sayle
Yeah. it is yeah.

09:33.21
alexei sayle
politicalized

09:34.50
Talal K
so blatantly and so in such an ugly way.

09:36.98
alexei sayle
Yes, it's... Yeah.

09:40.76
Talal K
I really think it's...

09:40.76
alexei sayle
I mean, i've and i'm trying to I was trying to think what my response was. just um i mean i mean, on one level, yeah as a Marxist, as you know the the police are... police are...

09:57.40
alexei sayle
the i mean the police the police are you know i see the police. The police are... not there to do what you you know think they're there to do they're they're essentially an army of occupation and their their role is to um is to protect capital and to protect the establishment we see that very clearly with their treatment particularly i mean i was shocked by mark rowley the chief of the met um because I assumed he was incompetent, you know, I assumed he was a useless, jumped-up bureaucrat.

10:29.54
alexei sayle
But when he said, and I'm a pet patron of the Palestinian solidarity campaign, you know, he said that they'd deliberately try and root the marches past synagogues.

10:38.68
Talal K
Oh, past synagogues and stuff.

10:40.42
alexei sayle
I was shocked because that's an outright and obvious lie. And I was i thought i thought he was at least kind of honest.

10:43.97
Talal K
Yeah,

10:49.59
alexei sayle
Yeah, but that was an outright line. I found that truly shocking.

10:55.38
Talal K
yeah there's no doubt that he knows that that's a lie, right?

10:58.55
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

10:59.86
Talal K
he can't be, there's no benefit of doubt for him there.

11:00.15
alexei sayle
the

11:02.42
Talal K
Cause every protest, that's a big point of contention.

11:02.69
alexei sayle
They should, yeah.

11:05.34
Talal K
And and that's a the org in the organizing of every protest, that's an issue and that's brought up and

11:11.57
alexei sayle
Let's don't go past any fucking synagogues. I mean, the one that were famous, they wanted to start outside the BBC. Yeah.

11:19.67
Talal K
yeah, which happens to have a, yeah.

11:20.00
alexei sayle
And they said, no, it was going past the synagogue. And somebody did like a video of where that synagogue was. it's like five minutes away down a side street.

11:27.42
Talal K
Oh really?

11:28.50
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's nowhere near. It was nowhere near the route of the demonstration.

11:30.44
Talal K
Uh...

11:34.83
alexei sayle
mean, quite a bit on...

11:37.72
alexei sayle
i did quite a bit on um on sandwich bar about the police, you know, and I got a big laugh. It was a remark made by Robert Mark, the former chief of the Met. He said, what was it? Something like his ambition was, his aim was to have

11:57.46
alexei sayle
less, I can't get it right now, were very less criminals inside the Met than outside. There was a commission that actually said that.

12:09.90
alexei sayle
And, you know, mean, notoriously in the 60s, the Metropolitan Police were notoriously bent. So, um you know, there's that.

12:14.63
Talal K
Yeah.

12:16.43
alexei sayle
That's who the police are. That is who they attract, I think, by and large. On the other hand, you know, I've seen great. examples of kindness and decency. We expect the police, I always think in a way to, you know, to pick up the, the you know, the detritus of society.

12:34.14
alexei sayle
And I've seen, you know, I've seen examples of great kindness, I think, from the police, you know, and they're, they also face, um you know, they see humanity at their worst every day.

12:44.64
alexei sayle
I remember seeing a really brilliant play

12:46.82
Talal K
It's almost like there's an element of nuance there in a way.

12:51.15
alexei sayle
in what I'm saying.

12:52.12
Talal K
No, in like the issue of the police.

12:54.87
alexei sayle
Yes, this, but that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:57.26
Talal K
It's not just black and white, you know.

12:58.11
alexei sayle
I remember seeing a brilliant play. They used to play this play place called the Almost Free Theatre just off Tottenham Court Road. And I remember seeing a play called Christian Love by one of those playwrights who was big in the 60s.

13:14.18
alexei sayle
And it was sort of about just about about the the terrible things that the police have to see, you know, the world they live in.

13:23.10
Talal K
Yeah.

13:24.46
alexei sayle
mean, they inhabit a world where they see so much

13:31.61
alexei sayle
darkness, I think. I don't know. it's um yeah we ask In a way, we ask too much of them, I think, in some ways. um You know, which is... you know It's just not to say that the other average person drawn to the police is authoritarian. and you know But I mean i think we the police should be constituted in a different way, not this army of occupation.

13:52.56
alexei sayle
I've also... I mean, i had a slightly...

13:53.24
Talal K
Well, this...

13:55.17
alexei sayle
My mum said a slightly dip remark that I was cycling along but quite a few years ago and a taxi driver just turned left in front of me, you know, without warning, knocked me off the bike. And i was... And, ah you know, he he was very aggressive he because he thought i was going to make an insurance claim. And I was quite scruffy. They didn't, you know. And um the the police's attitude to me...

14:23.39
alexei sayle
reminded me in a funny sort of the victim, reminded me a bit of the way they treated Henry Novak. But I mean, it's also, but it is also, it's despicable that Farage and the right wing, Tommy Robinson, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, trying to, you know, to to to make a completely fallacious point about policing in this country, really.

14:50.26
alexei sayle
It's, ah it's a you know, we it's a new low in some ways. um I mean, in it but it is, it's you know, you see these. It is. It's grotesque. Yeah.

15:02.68
Talal K
So yeah, like you you can't, it's so tragic what happened to Henry Novak, it's horrible. And his, you know, you see his dad's statement and you can't imagine what a parent is going through.

15:14.68
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:18.71
Talal K
And it' it's similar to what happened with those poor girls at the Taylor Swift dance class. um

15:27.96
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:29.78
Talal K
But but the but the the dad actually made a statement and specifically asked people not to use this for more division in that and that.

15:29.98
alexei sayle
Yeah. I suppose it's... so Yeah.

15:40.92
alexei sayle
Good luck with that. Yeah.

15:42.87
Talal K
And then you cut to, you see people walking down a very residential street being violent at the police, how many arrests were made?

15:54.08
alexei sayle
I don't know.

15:54.26
Talal K
You know, compared to a Palestine march, compared to a fucking Palestine action sit-in where old biddies are being arrested, you know,

15:54.62
alexei sayle
Yeah.

15:57.27
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's never any clients.

16:03.19
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:07.61
alexei sayle
think that's I think we'll have to question your language there, comrade.

16:12.80
Talal K
Well, I'm using that as a as a flavorful language to highlight the innocence of those being arrested.

16:14.85
alexei sayle
Oh, I think we'll have to get Robin Ince in to do your job.

16:19.94
Talal K
um

16:24.98
Talal K
ah Two arrests. Two arrests after 11 officers were injured in the Novak protests. Two, two arrests.

16:37.69
alexei sayle
I mean, probably they'll, I mean, they'll go right through the the camera footage and scoop them all up later, I would think, but it's what they tend to do this.

16:38.94
Talal K
That's probably what?

16:47.50
Talal K
That's what happened in last time, isn't it? Yeah.

16:49.69
alexei sayle
Yeah. That's what they tend to do in all fairness, but yeah, I don't know.

16:51.26
Talal K
But still, you see, yeah, that's fair, but at the, how many protests how many arrests are made in the moment at Palestine protests, you know, of people who are not being violent, who are not standing face to face with the copper and doing a Nazi salute.

17:02.26
alexei sayle
I don't know. Usually. is

17:08.44
alexei sayle
Yeah.

17:09.43
Talal K
And I saw a video of, they set a wheelie bin on fire and chucked and pushed it at the coppers. one of those big dumpsters and shoved it at the coppers and it just went flying into them two arrests so you know

17:25.59
alexei sayle
yeah i mean Yeah, I mean, if the there there are any only two arrests, I'd be shocking. I assume they will scoop them all up later. I went to see a really good film at the Genesis Cinema on Sunday, Operation Recomply, about um a Palestine action and the the kids, those who are still serving outrageously long sentences.

17:36.54
Talal K
interesting

17:50.46
alexei sayle
Well, not sentences. They're just held on remand for no good reason up to two years before they're even before their case comes to court. Some are being released, but it very makes it very clear that's why the government wants to do away with jury trials is because people let you know let them off because they see they're acting for their conscience. They're also, know, in the latest trial of the Filton Six, was it? they The judge refused to let them state why they were doing it, refused to let their lawyers state why they were doing it.

18:22.36
alexei sayle
And still, I think the the jury only committed the last charge. But then, of course, there's a plan, I think, to charge, even they were convicted and criminal damage that there's a plan to charge them as if with as if they're committing terror offenses which is another terrifying step down the road towards authoritarianism anyway operation re-comply if you can um i think it's called if you can uh find out where it's on have a screening go it's very it was very nice

18:42.89
Talal K
Oh,

18:59.32
alexei sayle
Very moving, you know, the decency of these kids is extraordinary.

18:59.54
Talal K
yeah.

19:03.81
Talal K
Well, it's got an effect.

19:04.55
alexei sayle
And the indecency of the British state and Albert systems and all those other monsters is, you know, clear to see.

19:16.16
Talal K
It has a official website, operationrecomply.uk. And you can click on the screenings button and see you everywhere they're planning on screening it.

19:22.99
alexei sayle
Yep.

19:31.35
Talal K
ah they're going to play at a Boomtown Festival, where I'll be in Glasgow, Manchester, London, Liverpool, Manchester, Leicester as well.

19:33.33
alexei sayle
Yeah. on about yeah

19:39.30
Talal K
um And last night I went to see a play or or a collection of short plays called Tomorrow Will Be a Palestinian Day in Theatre 503 in Battersea.

19:52.98
Talal K
I suppose this will come out on Saturday, which is the last day of the run. But...

20:01.54
Talal K
It was incredibly moving. It's nine short plays written by Palestinians in Palestine. Be they in Gaza, the West Bank in 1948, Palestine.

20:08.82
alexei sayle
Yikes.

20:12.31
Talal K
And one of the plays is written by someone who's currently in prison, a poet. And it's just like,

20:24.57
Talal K
ah It just destroyed me, man. um it's it's It's a tough watch, but it's important.

20:31.58
alexei sayle
Yeah.

20:32.31
Talal K
It's important. And even the the first play is ah written by children and it's about Santa visiting Gaza. And it's like very funny and upbeat, but the subject matter and the the the context, the kind of the setting of it, and the fact that a child has to look at the world this way, it was just, that was one of the most heartbreaking ones, even though it was filled with jokes and stuff.

20:43.99
alexei sayle
Yeah.

20:58.17
Talal K
It's, yeah.

20:58.22
alexei sayle
right right yes i used to judge this drama competition every year for um kids in gaza and i just it you know haunts me that you know lot of those kids will be dead now it's an awful idea there's also today we're recording this that the britain's anti-semit independent advisor on anti-semitism Lord Mann, John Mann has released a report about anti-Semitism in the National Health Service, so saying that you know Jews are frightened to seek treatment and badges.

21:13.23
Talal K
Yep.

21:34.33
alexei sayle
And I guess social media content is going to be monitored. um John Mann, I was thinking before, it's not it's like... Nature gives you all the warning signs, you know, like the the rattle of the rattlesnake or the bright red of the poisonous berries.

21:51.93
alexei sayle
John Mann looks like what he is, which is a pig-faced fucking bully. Somebody who is very prominent in the, you the you know, the Corbyn anti-Semitism smear lies.

22:07.83
alexei sayle
And somebody who's, you know, whose job is to is to find anti-Semitism. the and He's not going to say it's gone away, is he? he's gonna yeah op the others have Upton Sinclair said it's very difficult to get a man to change his opinion, especially when his salary depends on him not doing so.

22:29.62
alexei sayle
John Mann, you know, anti-Semitism finder general is always going to find. anti-semitism that's his job anyway he so fucking vile a right-wing labor

22:40.42
Talal K
That's true.

22:44.82
alexei sayle
ah monster and there were that kind of nest of vipers in the in the west midlands that brought us like i think brought us uh tom watson people like that um

22:59.24
Talal K
Well, indeed, like if people, some people say the police ah create have to create the need for their existence, you know in a way. um

23:09.53
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:09.69
Talal K
And so they they find crimes, or they foster an environment where crime can happen so that they can justify their pay their paychecks or their funding.

23:18.42
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:20.98
Talal K
The government accepted all of Barron Mann's,

23:25.27
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:25.30
Talal K
ah

23:25.74
alexei sayle
They fucking would.

23:28.09
Talal K
all of his recommendations, including,

23:28.22
alexei sayle
In no way. It's not man independent. I assume he's gone.

23:33.05
Talal K
Sorry, but ah including that NHS staff shouldn't wear political badges, which is just redefining the term of antisemitism, of course, because wearing a free Palestine badge or a watermelon badge is not antisemitic.

23:33.85
alexei sayle
You go.

23:48.63
alexei sayle
No.

23:49.14
Talal K
And calling it antisemitic is antisemitic, which is just straight up. Calling for the freedom of an oppressed people and saying that's an antisemitic thing is defining anti-Semitism as pro, ah defining Jewishness as pro-oppression, which is an anti-Semitic thing to say.

24:02.62
alexei sayle
Yeah.

24:10.33
alexei sayle
It is.

24:11.61
Talal K
Okay, yeah, this is farcical, this is ludicrous.

24:15.16
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's just, you know, it I mean, i assume he's in Labour Friends of Israel and all that. He's always been a fanatical supporter of the genocide, apartheid state of Israel.

24:31.16
alexei sayle
He's in no way an independent advisor.

24:38.42
Talal K
some Jewish patients not wishing to present for treatment or putting off receiving important care because someone's got a watermelon badge. One of the plays I saw last night was ah written by a doctor and the scenario was ah she was, she's a Palestinian doctor in 1948 Palestine. So she's remained within what is now called Israel.

25:02.65
Talal K
And so she has to work in an Israeli hospital. um you know And she's treating an Israeli patient who is an older lady and she keeps repeating um burn all Arabs or Arabs should burn.

25:22.20
Talal K
you know and she's like She's being actively racist at this doctor.

25:22.71
alexei sayle
Right.

25:25.85
alexei sayle
Mm hmm.

25:26.46
Talal K
not just racist, violently, genocidally ah racist out loud. And this doctor keeps telling her, I'm i'm trying to help you. I'm helping you.

25:40.23
Talal K
I'm treating you and you want me to burn? And she's like, yes, all Arabs should burn right into her face, you know?

25:45.27
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think what this is, is an attempt. I think that, you know, a lot of doctors have very bravely spoken out about the genocide. And it's an attempt. And people believe them because they can see that they're altruistic. You know, they've got no motives apart from.

26:01.40
alexei sayle
um you know, easing human suffering, why why why would they lie? they don't So I think it's, ah I think this this Zionist bought and paid for government of ours, and seeing that and knowing that people listen to the doctors trying to chill.

26:19.92
alexei sayle
they' speech And, of course, there's a hard surgeon up in Scotland. UK lawyers for genocide has tried 11 times to get him um struck off. you know yeah There's no case to answer whatsoever but they yeah know the because they wage law for because they want to tangle him up in in the court proceedings.

26:45.24
alexei sayle
They just keep... keep ri

26:47.96
Talal K
Say in the future we get a decent government and they reverse this.

26:52.44
alexei sayle
Yes.

26:53.66
Talal K
Then it will be on record that they they ah ah but they scrapped anti-Semitism training, which is such a you know horrible thing to have on your record.

27:02.68
alexei sayle
Yeah.

27:04.76
Talal K
Just those words, you know.

27:04.82
alexei sayle
that Well, it's not anti-Semitism training, is it?

27:07.99
Talal K
I know it's not, but that's what will be written down.

27:08.42
alexei sayle
It's that it's pro-Israel. looking

27:11.26
Talal K
Yeah. Yeah.

27:12.50
alexei sayle
It's pro-Israel propaganda.

27:13.46
Talal K
but That's what will be written in the record. You're putting people in these positions.

27:15.83
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well. Well. I would, lets let's let's get a decent government elected first and cross that bridge when we come to it.

27:31.32
alexei sayle
you know notice I've got a new chair, by the way. It squeaks a lot less.

27:34.71
Talal K
You haven't been squeaking, yay.

27:36.48
alexei sayle
Now. Yeah.

27:38.32
Talal K
Let's hear it. Do a little lean for me.

27:39.80
alexei sayle
but

27:41.22
Talal K
Oh, that's a normal amount of squeaking. i love it.

27:43.45
alexei sayle
yeah

27:46.84
Talal K
love it.

27:47.35
alexei sayle
the other one it was rather The other one collapsed, went backwards, and I was sort of trapped, sort of between my desk, and it was always a hope was sir rather terrifying feeling, really, because I couldn't figure out a way to free myself, and so I was trapped in this kind of hunched over.

28:03.97
Talal K
Oh.

28:06.92
alexei sayle
Luckily, Linda was in, so she came and eventually freed me, but it was there it was just actually rather scary. Yeah.

28:17.74
alexei sayle
Scary and absurd, you know.

28:21.94
Talal K
that's what it takes for you to replace the the creaky chair

28:24.34
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's completely, you're trying to kill me, yes. ah Yeah.

28:30.97
Talal K
um i i have very have a very dark joke that i'm not gonna say there polanski's been getting more

28:37.27
alexei sayle
All right.

28:41.32
Talal K
pushed back by the Zionists ah corporate media propaganda machine because he backs monitoring of British Israeli nationals who serve in the IDF.

28:46.90
alexei sayle
Yeah.

28:52.70
alexei sayle
Well, I think that's completely, yeah. That's completely right. And these are the things he should be doing and not apologising in any way for it. But yeah I don't understand. Is there any other army that you can go and serve in?

29:08.02
alexei sayle
It seems it treason, really, for stars.

29:10.68
Talal K
Yeah.

29:13.50
alexei sayle
um And then, yeah, those, you know, I know because like the chief rabbi's son, for instance, you know, the this they are fighting in an army that is, you know, demonstrably committing all kinds of horrific war crimes, rape, torture, murder, murder.

29:33.27
alexei sayle
ethnic cleansing and i think it's absolutely right that these people are monitored ah you know for our safety apart from anything else the things they've seen the things they've done you know that they are now let loose in our society i think is really disturbing and uh

29:49.72
Talal K
and yeah and you've got to be inherently racist to go and do that as well

29:55.26
alexei sayle
ah Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you've got to believe in Israel, yeah. um You know, which is, a by its nature, an a racist project. that yeah the jewish They are Jewish.

30:05.56
Talal K
is there any any any other armies that you could do that I guess you could go and join a private militia which go and do all sorts of nasty stuff around the world you know

30:13.18
alexei sayle
think you can. i don't think you can. i don't know. Anybody out there knows. I don't think you can... Most armies, you can't fight in somebody else's army. I don't know and why there is an exception for Israel, but it's it's wrong. i mean i and i applaud the I applaud the Green Party for proposing this. and yeah They should not in any way back down. The only way to deal with that criticism is too to be on the front foot. and you know I look forward to

30:50.04
alexei sayle
I look forward to them doing that, really.

30:54.45
Talal K
And of course, just you know labeling these people as as simply as British Jews, making them seem so much more innocent and making this an and an issue of antisemitism again, which it isn't.

31:05.78
alexei sayle
Yeah.

31:10.33
Talal K
It's nothing to do with British Jews. It's to do with people, like you said, going and joining a psychopathic war.

31:17.30
alexei sayle
Yeah. Terrifying.

31:21.24
Talal K
You know, even just for the PTSD, we should be monitoring.

31:25.08
alexei sayle
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, some of these people will will be very damaged.

31:26.46
Talal K
Just for that alone.

31:28.92
alexei sayle
i think

31:32.38
Talal K
Right, do you want to change the subject here?

31:35.70
alexei sayle
Could do.

31:35.96
Talal K
I had an interesting email. ah got it ah couple of months ago now. So sorry for the delay. Andy but thanks for the email the email is titled Alexi supporting the damned at Wembley arena on the 11th of April 2026 do you remember supporting the damned then just no couple months ago of April it's

32:02.26
alexei sayle
That hasn't happened yet, that's in the future.

32:09.94
alexei sayle
Oh, well I didn't support the download.

32:11.86
Talal K
Well, you did, Alexi. Listen, um ah Andy says, listened.

32:13.98
alexei sayle
Oh, right, yeah, right.

32:16.22
Talal K
Oh, what? You know what this is going to be?

32:18.07
alexei sayle
I think I do, yeah.

32:19.13
Talal K
I listened to the episode 121 of the podcast on my way to the damned 50th anniversary gig at Wembley Arena. ah During the gig, a number of images and short films were projected onto a large screen covering the band's 50-year history, including their performance on The Young Ones.

32:38.75
Talal K
To my great amusement, one of the films showed Alexi in full vampire regalia flying behind the band.

32:44.39
alexei sayle
Thank

32:46.94
Talal K
and The young ones had quite a reputation for hosting interesting musical acts, the Damned, Motorhead, Madness, etc. Does Alexei have any memories regarding these artists and any unusual rock and roll behavior?

33:02.83
Talal K
P.S. I'm assuming Alexei didn't receive an appearance fee for the Damned at Wembley.

33:08.98
alexei sayle
Now, no but somebody did tell me, I think Peter Richardson's assistant been there. She told me that, yeah, that she'd seen that. um I don't... um With the damned, I remember them. They seem very sweet, really. I remember one of them, is his wife worked in, like, bookings for British Airways, and he was just ringing her up, you know, saying what he wants for his tea or whatever. They seem very normal. The ones that...

33:33.91
alexei sayle
um I remember the ones that seemed quite frightening were Rip, Rig and Panic. And, of course, the lead singer of Rip, Rig and Panic, I think it was normally was Nina Cherry, but in this the episode of The Young Ones Party, it is, in fact, TV chef Andy Oliver,

33:55.03
Talal K
Oh.

33:56.12
alexei sayle
if you look closely. and But I remember they were all like, whoa, there's... there's booze here, let's drink it. And we're all like, I'm a bit... No, no, they're props. You can't drink it. It's for continuity.

34:09.91
Talal K
Right.

34:10.42
alexei sayle
a friend They didn't. um So I remember Ripper, Rick and Panic seeming quite, you know, wild, like pop stars. um I don't remember... i don't think I was around when Motorhead were there.

34:29.37
alexei sayle
um course, the reason... as has been the reason that we had bands was because the young ones was actually classified as a light entertainment program, which meant you get a bigger budget, but you had, you know, so it was essentially, it was a variety show and, um, yeah, but you had to have music in it.

34:45.34
Talal K
Yes.

34:49.74
alexei sayle
So

34:50.58
Talal K
And you got a bit stand up from you. So, yeah, it really is.

34:52.86
alexei sayle
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

34:55.54
Talal K
What about the damned, though?

34:55.54
alexei sayle
Um,

34:56.65
Talal K
What's that anecdote about the damned? There is one, isn't there? You all went up for dinner afterwards or something. That's

35:02.42
alexei sayle
remember. Yeah, somebody's got a story. I can't remember them.

35:04.86
Talal K
Lisa's story, isn't it?

35:05.85
alexei sayle
Yeah. i got I think I got madness on the show because I knew them vaguely from round and about.

35:18.63
alexei sayle
was

35:20.33
Talal K
Mm-hmm.

35:21.91
alexei sayle
um as on my own day.

35:22.17
Talal K
Would they actually perform live? or was it all mimed? Yeah? Was it just like the album track you'd use? Or would they record a ah version for the show?

35:33.53
alexei sayle
I can't remember. but they Yeah, they did some kind of random number, didn't they? What did Dexys do? They did... can't remember now.

35:42.84
Talal K
Dexy did a weird one.

35:46.10
alexei sayle
But that... um Yeah, I'm dressed as vampire because I'm the driving instructor from the Transvaal.

35:54.46
alexei sayle
but They get the Transvaal and Transylvania mixed up. But in fact, I'm the man from Rumble House. I'm Harry the Bastard.

36:01.98
Talal K
You bastard.

36:02.68
alexei sayle
and you owe me 500 pounds. what a complete bastard.

36:11.10
Talal K
ah found a list, but it doesn't tell us what songs they played. There were some ah there were some ah obscure ones that and you know i haven't I wouldn't have known of if it wasn't for the show, like Rip Rig and Panic.

36:16.82
alexei sayle
Who else was on?

36:23.29
alexei sayle
Yeah. Music my braces. What about rip, rig and panic?

36:30.55
Talal K
The first one was Nine Below Zero.

36:32.66
alexei sayle
Yeah.

36:34.36
Talal K
um Were they really big at the time?

36:35.42
alexei sayle
was in the pilot.

36:36.86
Talal K
Because that was your... your

36:37.76
alexei sayle
Not really, no, I don't think, no No, don't know what they were doing there.

36:41.30
Talal K
And that was the pilot. Then Radical Posture.

36:44.34
alexei sayle
Well, that's me.

36:45.75
Talal K
Oh, yes. Yes, that's Dr.

36:47.13
alexei sayle
Picking up extra fees as the music turned as well as there.

36:47.26
Talal K
Martin's Boots. God. It's the second episode.

36:51.99
alexei sayle
Yeah.

36:53.05
Talal K
Did you get an extra fee for that?

36:54.74
alexei sayle
I don't know.

36:55.51
Talal K
Good work.

36:55.79
alexei sayle
I'm not sure.

36:57.68
Talal K
Madness after that. Then you got Dexies. Yeah, I remember they were seeing... Was that in the bathroom or something? Something happened.

37:04.15
alexei sayle
Yeah.

37:06.87
Talal K
Rip, Rigg, and Panic to close out the series. Series 2, Motorhead. Now we're talking. Then Ken Bishop's Nice 12.

37:16.06
alexei sayle
Well, that was that just all our friends.

37:16.54
Talal K
Was that the Supergroup?

37:17.79
alexei sayle
It was Roland and Jules Holland and Simon Brint.

37:20.09
Talal K
Yep. It

37:23.90
alexei sayle
It was just all our...

37:25.01
Talal K
was like a mixture of Sweet and...

37:26.26
alexei sayle
All our mates. Yeah, yeah.

37:27.83
Talal K
And Dexy, a bit of Dexy's in there.

37:28.20
alexei sayle
Chris Difford and yeah.

37:29.71
Talal K
and

37:30.20
alexei sayle
I think Dexys are in there, but there's Jules Holland. There's a suite and yeah, and Jules Holland and Roland and Simon.

37:34.36
Talal K
Sweet and Jules Holland's band.

37:39.93
Talal K
Ken Bishop's Nice 12. Is that a play on anything?

37:43.45
alexei sayle
I can't remember. was some private joke. I think that lot I had, but I don't know what it was then.

37:48.21
Talal K
And he had The Damned. Then Amazulu. They're still known.

37:55.00
alexei sayle
Maybe it was Amazulu.

37:55.26
Talal K
Madness...

37:56.73
alexei sayle
Was it Rip Rig and Panic or Amazulu that Andy Oliver was singing in now?

37:56.76
Talal K
yeah go

38:02.14
Talal K
Well, i I don't think it was Rip, Rig and Panic.

38:05.78
alexei sayle
I think it was it must have been Amazulu then.

38:07.83
Talal K
Wait, do you mean Andrea?

38:10.68
alexei sayle
and yeah Andy Oliver, the mother of Makita Oliver, who's now a TV chef, she was either lead singer in that recording of either Rip Rig and Panic or Amazulu.

38:26.90
Talal K
i think Andrea Oliver. Not Andy, Andrea.

38:33.91
alexei sayle
I think she goes by. All right.

38:36.18
Talal K
Well, maybe she goes by Andy. ah Oh, Andy Oliver. You're right. That was Rip Reckon Panic.

38:43.77
alexei sayle
Well, it's very freaking panic.

38:44.41
Talal K
Yeah, Panic Over.

38:44.85
alexei sayle
was trying to place this.

38:45.61
Talal K
yep, yep, yep. yep

38:47.48
alexei sayle
um

38:48.82
Talal K
And then, so, Amazulu British.

38:53.31
alexei sayle
I'm a Glaswegian myself.

38:55.10
Talal K
Oh, yes. Is that the hamster who says that?

38:57.05
alexei sayle
ah ah Rick. SPG, yeah. Thresher Patrol Group.

39:01.41
Talal K
Amazuli were a British ska pop band formed 1982. They performed their song Moonlight Romance in the episode. And then Madness Return.

39:14.81
Talal K
And the last one was John Otway.

39:17.77
alexei sayle
How was it? all right i used to John Otway. used to he was when i I think on my last tour, more or less, the last tour of the UK, he was my support, John Otway. John Otway is always fantastic value.

39:31.15
alexei sayle
Had one big hit, like Baby I'm Really Free, and would climb the speaker stack and then fall off it.

39:32.19
Talal K
Oh, this guy.

39:38.17
alexei sayle
I urge everybody, he's still going, I think.

39:38.99
Talal K
Oh, he's still touring.

39:41.91
alexei sayle
Yeah, I urge everybody to look up John Hott, wait if they haven't.

39:44.58
Talal K
He's on tour right now.

39:47.08
alexei sayle
He was the perfect support act for me on tour.

39:50.20
Talal K
Is he funny?

39:51.83
alexei sayle
Kind of.

39:53.70
Talal K
you'd have like a proper musician support you rather than a small time.

39:56.69
alexei sayle
Well, I never wanted another comic, really. I mean, I didn't.

39:59.00
Talal K
Yeah, why is that?

40:00.73
alexei sayle
Well, I just thought, it you know, I just wanted all laughs for myself, really.

40:07.50
alexei sayle
I did and later when I went back on the road I was less precious about that and I had a variety of right people.

40:15.98
Talal K
I can see that.

40:16.11
alexei sayle
Hattie Hairidge, Josh Howey, people like that.

40:16.61
Talal K
I think Basim Yusuf got jealous that I got bigger laughs than him

40:20.89
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah, that never obviously happened with me but you know, yeah.

40:24.75
Talal K
when I supported him on tour.

40:26.58
alexei sayle
Yeah.

40:27.58
Talal K
ah John Otway. When you did the last episode of The Young Ones, did you know that was going to be the last episode?

40:35.22
alexei sayle
Yeah, because they killed. I know they didn't. That's not necessarily a barrier, but they they were yeah they were obsessed with only Rick and Lisa and Ben.

40:39.80
Talal K
No.

40:44.57
alexei sayle
Obsessed with only Everdeer in 12. So they killed off.

40:49.78
Talal K
Right.

40:50.20
alexei sayle
They killed everybody off. So they couldn't come back, although obviously they could have come back. No, always thought that was a mistake, really.

40:56.92
Talal K
easily.

40:58.09
alexei sayle
I think we we should have done like three series and a couple of Christmas specials. I think we we left it. You know, we left we finished it before it had really reached its potential, I think.

41:13.56
alexei sayle
But I didn't i didn't have a say.

41:21.86
Talal K
We could have done one more, I think.

41:27.86
Talal K
When are we going to Roland Rivron on?

41:30.49
alexei sayle
oh I don't know. Whenever you want me.

41:31.73
Talal K
To tell some stories about these these times.

41:35.88
alexei sayle
Nah. Well, whenever you want.

41:39.66
Talal K
Whenever I want. All right, viewers, would you like that? ah Viewers, listeners. Oh, let me quickly just plug the Patreon. Jeebie-kreebie, dearest listeners of the Alexis Sale podcast, we have an entire sovereign nation being built over on our Patreon, patreon.com forward slash Alexis Sale podcast. We have the supreme leader like ah leader Alexis Sale.

42:04.73
Talal K
We have his trusty Arabian sidekick, um myself, Talal Kalkuti, and we have now just anointed Mark as the secretary of culture and shit.

42:15.86
Talal K
um But these are all inside jokes that you'd only get if you were a patron. Go to patreon.com forward slash AlexiSellPodcast. Support the show for a few quid a month. You'll get to see Alexi Reacts every week, which is a show when Alexi watches old shit he's done and reacts to it. um We're probably going to do pop-up toasters today, but now I'm starting to feel like... um What was it you mentioned earlier?

42:42.64
Talal K
Oh, I'll add it to that. Yeah. And there's all loads of other exclusive shit on there And there's chat rooms, lovely community. Like I said, it's a whole sovereign nation, a utopia where we have... a a dictator that everyone wants there. They're willing.

43:00.73
Talal K
a look Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come and join us. It's a Marxist utopia. Patreon.com forward slash Alexa Seltz podcast. Thank you very much. Speaking of, there's a chat room there.

43:13.43
Talal K
ah point of contention. Just a couple bits before we leave.

43:17.48
alexei sayle
All right, yeah, yeah, I've nearly had enough, but go on.

43:21.84
Talal K
uh people were talking about the boys we got one positive and one negative the ah lee or lay or lelg says uh this week's podcast mentioned the boys i recently found out that the actor who plays frenchie tomah coppon is an israeli actor who served in the idf this is one of the main characters Haven't been able to bring myself to start season five because of this. I was in a similar situation, but I just wanted to finish it off.

43:53.98
Talal K
I only found out before series five that he was. It started going around social media that he was an ex-IDF dude. and And I've always kind of hated that character. found him annoying.

44:08.34
Talal K
But yeah, he's one of the leads in that. And I know there are other cast members in there who are pro-Palestine.

44:15.67
alexei sayle
action That must make sense.

44:17.30
Talal K
And you know, when I was in Morocco, I had to work with a couple of Israeli actors and it was really,

44:26.04
Talal K
it soured my soup as as well as being being a Mormon.

44:29.75
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's difficult. and know well I know when I did Casualty and I was playing the homophobic Russian dad of a

44:41.30
Talal K
Oh yeah, that was just a couple years ago.

44:41.88
alexei sayle
one of the paramedics. So he was Israeli, but we kind of had a Zoom about my Russian accent and stuff, and he very clearly signaled that he had saved.

44:43.42
Talal K
Yeah.

44:54.20
alexei sayle
He'd actually saved four years and the in the IDF on the as a dog handler on the border with Gaza, but he was extremely anti-IDF, anti-Zionist.

45:07.70
Talal K
Ah, interesting.

45:08.41
alexei sayle
So that was fine.

45:11.93
Talal K
I had a conversation. These were two girls who were very young, pre-IDF, pre-military service. And I brought myself to have a conversation with one of them.

45:26.01
Talal K
And, you know, i I just opened up with, do you sympathize with the Palestinian people? I just had to ask her that. And if she had said no, i would have just straight up said, well, we can't be friends then. And I would have ended the conversation.

45:41.94
Talal K
But obviously she was, maybe she was just being tactful, but she said, of course I do.

45:45.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

45:46.16
Talal K
Of course I do. And I hate our government. And a lot of our people hate the government and I sympathize with them.

45:51.03
alexei sayle
Right.

45:53.27
Talal K
and then there was a little bit of, but you know, we are scared of this or that. and

45:56.92
alexei sayle
This is you, elderly Arab, of hitting on another young girl.

45:59.54
Talal K
Not hitting on fuck off.

45:59.61
alexei sayle
That's another one. Yeah. Yeah. okay

46:03.51
Talal K
Then her mate came over, are you okay? No, um i was forced to be in a room with her for a bit. So I had to just had to just clear the air because ah I was just biting my tongue the whole time.

46:10.14
alexei sayle
there

46:13.85
Talal K
And I'm glad I did because it made me made me loosen up a little bit.

46:14.15
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, no, good cooking kudos to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:20.09
Talal K
buts So yeah, The Boys has that element to it. And i can only imagine this is like one of the leads who everyone else just, you have to be in scenes with them all the time.

46:32.66
Talal K
who knows what this guy personally feels yeah he used serving the idea but like you said some people change their feelings about that you know um but contrarily steve commented on the boys i was surprised that you didn't mention it's essentially an allegory on trump's em america kk america trump's america some of

46:39.35
alexei sayle
Yeah.

46:57.68
Talal K
Homelander's speeches were almost verbatim Trump and the whole Messiah complex in the final series really hammered it home. I think Alexei may watch it if he knew this.

47:06.49
alexei sayle
Mm, okay.

47:07.20
Talal K
I don't know if that's enough to overpower the, you don't like that kind of shock factor for shock factor's sake, do you?

47:13.91
alexei sayle
Mm, no. Yeah.

47:15.83
Talal K
And taking pleasure in all the violence and everything.

47:18.09
alexei sayle
Yeah.

47:19.19
Talal K
And lots of agreement with you about the beekeeper being pretty bad, pretty bad. ah Philip's son and nephew. Did we mention that last?

47:31.48
alexei sayle
I said that, yeah, I mentioned it in terms of um shoplifting when I was a child.

47:39.27
Talal K
Well, Amro remembers that place in the 80s. Peak Thatcherism.

47:41.66
alexei sayle
Yeah. Very, very lax security.

47:46.78
Talal K
Derek Hatton.

47:47.32
alexei sayle
if so

47:47.66
Talal K
Derek

47:48.76
alexei sayle
If somebody, well, not saying I did, but if somebody was going to shoplift, but I've got to be careful these days.

47:54.68
Talal K
Hatton.

47:58.71
Talal K
Peter Firth's not related to Colin Firth from the corrections department.

47:58.81
alexei sayle
I admit nothing. All right, okay.

48:01.67
Talal K
Thank you. All right, I think that might do it for this week, Alexei, unless there's something else you wanna add.

48:11.06
alexei sayle
No, I think that's it, really. It's a free roving podcast.

48:18.74
Talal K
Yep.

48:19.45
alexei sayle
you

48:20.02
Talal K
Free the filter in 18, free Palestine as well as that, as we're saying free.

48:21.98
alexei sayle
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Go and see Operation Recomply.

48:28.28
Talal K
he

48:31.89
alexei sayle
And yeah, kind this struggle. Struggle carries on for another week.

48:38.04
Talal K
Take pleasure in the struggle, as Maxine Peake said on this very show.

48:39.74
alexei sayle
Yeah.

48:43.77
alexei sayle
And see you all hopefully next week.

48:43.82
Talal K
Don't give up.

48:47.27
alexei sayle
Bye bye.

48:48.47
Talal K
Bye-bye. No, wait, that's your life. I'll cut that out.