00:11.95
Vance 😈
Welcome back to Right Quick.

00:16.25
Free
A bite-sized pop culture conversation with your favorite queer, unfriendly Black hotties.

00:21.43
Vance 😈
And we're unfriendly today because um they canceled the Buffy reboot before it even got off the ground. I am Vance Gowe, and ah you may have heard a different voice on the podcast today. We got ah ah guest hottie today. The homie, I'll let them introduce themselves, but who are you? Hi, friend.

00:43.50
Free
Hi, hi. I'm Free Williams, Free J. Williams. And, yeah. Am i supposed to talk about the ah friendly part?

00:53.24
Vance 😈
No, just like, oh, yeah, but I mean, who are you? Introduction.

00:56.62
Free
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm Free. Me and *beep* have known each other since, what, 2019 events? Yeah,

01:02.28
Vance 😈
I think so. It was ah right before 2020, I feel like.

01:05.30
Free
yeah, yeah. Because when we met, you got COVID. Sorry, you got COVID.

01:11.30
Vance 😈
Uh, wait, it was, it wasn't COVID or was i just, it was a mystery illness, was it not?

01:17.05
Free
was so It was a mystery illness, yes, but it was probably COVID, bitch. um

01:20.92
Vance 😈
Uh,

01:22.06
Free
It was right around the time COVID was was coming out, so.

01:24.50
Vance 😈
Yeah, it was that, you know, every black person that you know always says right around COVID, I got real sick.

01:30.87
Free
Right.

01:31.22
Vance 😈
It was that sickness. And me and Free being whores and the DMs and we was like we were we were chatting.

01:38.30
Free
We were. um Not much.

01:41.78
Vance 😈
we were in chatting and then ah you flew out to visit me and ah you you got flewed out, F-L-U flewed out.

01:42.27
Free
yeah

01:46.77
Free
I flew out thinking that, you know, things were going to happen. yeah Well, yeah, he didn't he didn't flew me out, y'all. But, you know, that would have been nice.

01:57.42
Vance 😈
Uh, don't, don't, don't, don't expose me, Nandi. It's like Nandi's here.

02:02.20
Free
Yeah.

02:03.86
Vance 😈
Yeah, so, uh, you got flued out, and I, I actually had the flu, and yeah, um, it was very, very rated G, uh, outing, because I was out for the count.

02:09.25
Free
Yeah, you flew. I flew it out.

02:14.31
Free
It was so rated G.

02:17.85
Vance 😈
Uh, bitch, you was like, let's go outside. I'm like, I'm going to die, uh,

02:21.38
Free
Wait, hold on now. That was you. I was like, you can stay in if you want to. But she was like, I'm going to try to go out.

02:26.67
Vance 😈
Uh-uh. Did I? Uh-uh. I was looking like the walking dead.

02:33.09
Free
And upload I was still, let me stop.

02:33.65
Vance 😈
Uh-uh.

02:35.66
Free
um i

02:38.38
Vance 😈
That's how you catch the thing, Sri.

02:39.30
Free
I was, wait, was in my 20s then? That that long ago.

02:42.99
Vance 😈
Grandpapa. ah Yeah. Yeah.

02:45.84
Free
I might have been 930.

02:46.02
Vance 😈
know Yeah, you one year older than me, no?

02:50.81
Free
How old are you?

02:51.91
Vance 😈
I'm 36. 36.

02:52.16
Free
35?

02:52.54
Vance 😈
thirty six

02:53.97
Free
Wait. you dar You just turned 36, right?

02:56.50
Vance 😈
February, yeah.

02:57.66
Free
Yeah.

02:58.01
Vance 😈
That's too much PII.

03:00.31
Free
Right, look. Cut that out.

03:01.66
Vance 😈
Block that out. Block that out. oh

03:03.84
Free
Right.

03:06.55
Vance 😈
Well, anyway, origin story withstanding. Yeah, Free is the homie, online homie. Yeah, we've been going strong about seven years at this point. ah

03:15.85
Free
Yeah.

03:16.44
Vance 😈
We, yeah, I feel like it kind of switched to homies at some point. and they Yeah, we just been homies. And um Free is one of the only people that calls me consistently. And ah I don't even like that shit, but we be talking on the phone.

03:29.96
Vance 😈
So and not that I don't like you calling me.

03:30.28
Free
You're talking like two hours straight usually.

03:33.67
Vance 😈
I just don't like talking on the phone like that.

03:34.66
Free
Talking on the phone. Yeah.

03:35.90
Vance 😈
But. But I am a yapper, which is why i have a podcast. So, ah yeah. But anyway, yeah, today... we are you know as a part of our pride demon rollout um we're we're just doing uh queer topics uh every week so this week uh i brought the the gayest nigga i know kidding uh no but uh uh this week uh we're discussing uh the gayest show i know uh buffy uh not necessarily Buffy but the buffy verse in general so uh I brought on Free because me and Free basically do what we're going to do right now all the time anyway about Buffy.

03:56.78
Free
Yeah.

04:15.82
Vance 😈
We be talking.

04:15.97
Free
yeah

04:17.14
Vance 😈
so So yeah, Buffyverse. Just to open it up, what's your relationship with ah the Weedonverse, Buffyverse, whatever you want to call it How'd you get into it? Did you watch it live? like what What was it?

04:31.03
Free
I think I was first introduced to Buffy like after Saturday morning cartoons. I think it was on WB at the time.

04:38.29
Vance 😈
Yeah.

04:38.65
Free
And ah it was after the 1130 block. And at 12 noon, Buffy would come on. At the time, I think I was like 12, 13. And I was like, oh, and i was like oh oh This is interesting.

04:52.34
Free
I said, this this chick is is kicking kicking folks' ass and there's demons and shit. I was like, wait, I've been watching cartoons this whole time and I could be watching this. So that was kind of my introduction, just just watching Saturday morning cartoons and just rolling into to noon and seeing Buffy was on.

05:00.76
Vance 😈
Right.

05:09.33
Vance 😈
ah Was it reruns or was it like, did you watch it as it was coming off the...

05:11.32
Free
it was It was reruns because I think they they had like a primetime spot.

05:16.54
Vance 😈
Yeah, for sure.

05:17.14
Free
So this was reruns.

05:17.26
Vance 😈
They did. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I feel like i started watching Buffy like legit. Okay, I get the canon. What's going on? Probably season six or seven.

05:28.10
Vance 😈
So I came in late, but you know, they was always showing rewind, so I eventually caught it. And then I'm a DVD. I used to be a DVD person, so i had all the DVDs.

05:36.27
Free
Yeah, bitch, I got it too.

05:38.58
Vance 😈
And the the DVD commentary...

05:39.17
Free
I bought them to watch them all. Yeah.

05:41.05
Vance 😈
Yeah.

05:41.25
Free
Yeah.

05:42.11
Vance 😈
And then you watch the commentary. So like, you know, like DVDs is like really for, I think, ne neuro neurodivergent people.

05:48.64
Free
Definitely.

05:48.94
Vance 😈
It's kind of let loose. But ah yeah. OK, so ah but again, Buffy, I know. Is it your favorite show?

05:57.24
Free
It's one of my favorite shows. You know, it's hard for me to pinpoint a favorite, but it's one of my favorites for sure.

06:02.54
Vance 😈
That's fair. I feel like. um I'll be acting like it might not be my favorite, but like, you know, that thing where it's just like, if you can give a, um, like a 30 minute seminar, Ted talk on any topic, like Buffy is absolutely on the list.

06:14.61
Free
Buffy. Yeah. Yeah.

06:15.94
Vance 😈
Like, like without practice,

06:16.86
Free
Yeah.

06:21.91
Vance 😈
So, okay, so let's get into the Buffyverse. So why do you think our good sis has endured the times? like Why she's such a cultural touchpoint? Again, this is a this is a podcast highlighting ah queerness, right?

06:35.50
Vance 😈
This is our Pride Month, Pride Demon rollout. like Why is this show gay? or what like why do you Do you feel like it's gay? I know you do, but like what what's queer about it?

06:43.63
Free
I mean, it's gay.

06:44.94
Vance 😈
Yeah.

06:46.85
Free
I mean, besides the whole willow of it all, later on, realizing she didn't like boys, the whole idea of of a Buffy...

06:49.75
Vance 😈
yeah

06:56.63
Free
is gay. like She comes from this school after they're burning the damn gymnasium down. and like She's you know basically kind of outed as a gay, but as a slayer. And she's trying to you know trying to to to like do do it over.

07:11.42
Free
Do a do over.

07:11.77
Vance 😈
Yeah.

07:12.38
freeman27
Thank you.

07:12.86
Free
At Sunnydale High.

07:14.58
Vance 😈
I feel like, um no, I guess, yeah, that's actually a really good point. I feel like early seasons, like that was the actual allegory. Remember her mom was like, have you tried not being a slayer? Like, which is what, and then like you just said, she got out it and had to go to the other school where she was not out.

07:24.19
Free
Right, exactly. Exactly.

07:29.98
Vance 😈
And then like, you know, even though everybody knew, cause she was, right.

07:31.44
Free
She tried to be normal, but she. Yeah.

07:35.80
Vance 😈
ah The other thing, ah something about being othered. Like, the Slayer is just, like, constantly just, like, not like everyone else. um

07:43.99
Free
Right.

07:44.18
Vance 😈
The fam family thing that Joss Whedon likes to have in his shows where it's just like, yo, like, this is my family. Everybody here is here because we chose them. um Obviously, Willow.

07:53.21
Free
Yeah.

07:54.87
Vance 😈
um

07:54.86
Free
Yep.

07:55.89
Vance 😈
Cunty protagonist.

07:58.14
Free
Pretty gay.

07:59.06
Vance 😈
That's very queer. um The outfits, very queer, obviously. um Yeah, okay, so... I asked that. Faves. Let's discuss faves.

08:10.10
Vance 😈
um What is your favorite season Buffy?

08:14.14
Free
My favorite season is probably season five.

08:20.02
Vance 😈
Glory?

08:20.98
Free
Yeah, you know, bitch, I love glory. Yeah.

08:24.12
Vance 😈
Oh, okay. Not oh, but what... Huh? What? I think overall, I don't I don't like I think it has some fantastic episodes, but I don't like the arc.

08:34.49
Free
yeah a

08:35.41
Vance 😈
I don't think I don't know something off about that glory one. But what do you like about it I guess.

08:41.13
Free
I guess I just like the the stakes of it. You know, like Buffy. I mean, she did die in the first season, but she was brought back so fucking fast, you know.

08:46.34
Vance 😈
Yeah. Yeah.

08:48.83
Free
um But in this season, they kind of left it on a cliffhanger. And i was like, oh, Buffy's Buffy's dead. And Giles killed old buddy Ben. to To save the universe. I mean, like, that whole, I mean, i think maybe it was just the ending that i that really got me. Like, I love that. Like, it was badass.

09:07.01
Free
Willow came in after Tara got, like, mind wiped and was like, gonna fuck this bitch up.

09:11.48
Vance 😈
Yeah.

09:13.34
Free
Here's a bad guys hoe.

09:13.37
Vance 😈
Yeah.

09:15.14
Free
Right.

09:15.93
Vance 😈
No, I do. I do like, uh, season five. Yeah. Some bangers for sure. Like I do love like the Willow arc where it was just like, Willow was constantly getting stronger, like low key on the side.

09:26.72
Free
Right.

09:27.07
Vance 😈
And then, uh, Glory did the thing that terror Willow came in. It was like, Oh bitch, I'm about to,

09:32.68
Free
I'm gonna fuck your ass up. She was ready.

09:34.14
Vance 😈
She knocked her ass between the washer and dryer.

09:34.43
Free
Did.

09:37.19
Vance 😈
like yeah um That also was supposed to be the series finale, and it ended up not being it. So that's why like they kind of ended it. um What was it? Oh, they had a... In season four, I think, they had a countdown, and the countdown date was the date of Buffy died or some shit like that.

09:53.17
Vance 😈
It was like the date... and was like

09:54.55
Free
during While I was on air?

09:57.24
Vance 😈
Yeah, it was like the date that that episode aired. Like, they had a bunch of weird foreshadowing stuff. Like, cause I think I'm rewatching it right now. in Season three, at the end of season three, of Faith was in Buffy's dream and she was making a bed.

10:10.52
Vance 😈
And she was just like, oh, I'm getting this ready for little sis coming.

10:14.36
Free
o

10:14.58
Vance 😈
And that foreshadowed Dawn coming two seasons later. So, like, I think despite, you know, how we feel about Joss Whedon, I think just like the writing was tight. Like, they were doing stuff on TV that, like, was not happening.

10:22.93
Free
I think, yeah, definitely. and But I like to tell people when it comes to like these problematic ass people, these writers, it's like they they had other people in the room too. you know

10:32.54
Vance 😈
Yeah.

10:33.05
Free
It wasn't just him.

10:34.52
Vance 😈
Right. And I mean, don't know. I feel like I'm not, I'm not catching any guy now, but ah also Buffy is his own thing at this point. Like, I think it's a, it's a cultural juggernaut.

10:43.86
Free
Yeah.

10:45.94
Vance 😈
Like it's launched a thousand podcasts. It's launched about a bunch of think pieces. There's college courses, there's dissertations, like,

10:52.96
Free
Yeah.

10:54.22
Vance 😈
it's it's kind of like it's his own thing at this point so like I think it is fairly divorced from Joss Whedon um I do feel like when I watch I have a hard time separating it sometimes because of like the character Xander and it even the um the uh the big bad is season six them the three nerdy niggas like that

11:06.70
Free
Xander, oh my... character.

11:14.97
Free
That was Joshua.

11:16.22
Vance 😈
Yeah, that was like Joss Whedon proxy, right? Like it was just like these incell-ly.

11:18.97
Free
Yeah.

11:20.38
Vance 😈
And then like, I mean, I do think like they did a good job highlighting how that's not good. Like, oh no, these niggas is rapists. Like, um but yeah, okay. um Who is your favorite big bad?

11:31.74
Vance 😈
I think you already foreshadowed it, but who's your favorite big bad?

11:33.50
Free
Wait, you didn't tell me your favorite season. what What's your favorite?

11:35.54
Vance 😈
Oh, season three, baby.

11:38.00
Free
Okay. Yeah. Faith Lee.

11:39.13
Vance 😈
You know, yeah, that's my girl. I love, I love Faith.

11:41.09
Free
then And that is, that's actually the gayest season.

11:44.50
Vance 😈
It is. Okay, so like Buffy, Buffy, I think is canonically queer in the comics, but you know, on TV, they wasn't ready to do that because like even Willow was a big deal.

11:45.72
Free
ah

11:52.56
Free
No. It the 90s to early 2000s, so...

11:55.61
Vance 😈
Right, they wasn't ready to do that on TV, but like the almost canon relationship between Buffy and Faith, of Faith is a Dark Slayer if you're still listening to this and you don't like Buffy.

12:05.89
Vance 😈
i

12:06.21
Free
Right.

12:06.65
Vance 😈
But ah yeah, ah the Dark Slayer that showed up in season three and like them bitches was in a relationship. Like it was, ah it It was, yeah, it was just like she was being seduced by Faith and like all her friends was kind of like, damn girl, like what y'all doing?

12:21.75
Free
You good, girl?

12:22.22
Vance 😈
She was sick to school.

12:22.55
Free
Girl, that that shit it was good.

12:23.40
Vance 😈
Look,

12:24.68
Free
that's well That's what was going on. Knockin' at in there, bitch.

12:26.62
Vance 😈
look, Faith put that thing on her. ah Okay, yeah, but season three, I think season three just got like the best episodes. I love the um dynamic between Faith and Buffy.

12:34.46
Free
Mm-hmm.

12:37.80
Free
Yeah.

12:37.82
Vance 😈
Yeah, it was it was juicy. I don't know, but yeah. ah Big Bad, who you got?

12:43.86
Free
season Season three was good, yeah. and the and the big bad was very close to them, so it made it more more interesting.

12:50.49
Vance 😈
Right. And she was human. I think it was the first one where it was like she was human.

12:52.88
Free
Yeah.

12:53.65
Vance 😈
The only one really. Everybody else is a demon or god.

12:57.83
Free
Yeah. Yeah, are you know, you're right. because

12:59.63
Vance 😈
Or whatever Adam was.

13:02.08
Free
Whatever Adam was, right? Something. A mutant.

13:05.75
Vance 😈
I hate that nigga. who is your but Who is your favorite big bad?

13:11.74
Free
I think I already said it I mean, I guess, you know, who is my favorite big bag? Yeah, I mean, it's Glory. She's just bad.

13:23.35
Free
She was cunty. Like, you know, she had some flavor to her. She was knocking the girls between the washer and the dryer, like you said.

13:31.51
Vance 😈
Yeah, she was she was running Buffy. ah Yeah, I don't know. i also feel like the the villains that have a connection to the crew are always like, like I think Angel.

13:41.66
Free
Yeah,

13:42.26
Vance 😈
Angel season two and Faith are my favorite just because of the fact that they were so connected to the crew.

13:47.35
Free
yeah, yeah.

13:47.42
Vance 😈
like angel Angel's her damn boyfriend. And then this nigga turned into a psychopath and started killing goldfish. And I was like, what is this? it he was He was taking them through there.

13:58.72
Free
First of all, that always bothers me, that goldfish thing. Like, why you have

14:02.46
Vance 😈
that was That was crazy. That was crazy. And it was like, you was in my house, nigga. Just too much.

14:08.81
Free
to kill that fish?

14:10.42
Vance 😈
um He killed. We be talking about Jenny Calendar all the time.

14:13.75
Free
Right?

14:13.86
Vance 😈
Justice for Jenny.

14:14.09
Free
Too much. Oh my God.

14:16.31
Vance 😈
Listen, they she don't get enough credit, I think, in the series. like No one talks about Jenny Calendar after season three season two.

14:20.51
Free
You know, on the side about the actress, she was one of Prince's dancers.

14:27.19
Vance 😈
I didn't know that.

14:28.12
Free
Yeah.

14:29.31
Vance 😈
Is she white? Is she a spicy white?

14:31.49
Free
I think she's quite hard to

14:31.87
Vance 😈
What is she? she She fine. Yeah, she was hot.

14:35.20
Free
if She you was fine.

14:37.34
Vance 😈
I was like, okay, Jaws, I see you.

14:39.02
Free
Right, Jiles be pulling them. But anyway, like you were saying, my bad.

14:42.04
Vance 😈
and Yeah, no, no, no worries. ah Favorite character in the Buffyverse? Who you got?

14:47.84
Free
My favorite character? Hmm.

14:49.02
Vance 😈
Yeah.

14:52.86
Free
Who is my favorite character? Man, that's Cordy. Cordelia.

14:59.64
Vance 😈
Through the the whole thing?

14:59.67
Free
Cordelia.

15:01.16
Vance 😈
Just Angel?

15:01.52
Free
to Do the whole thing.

15:01.84
Vance 😈
Just Buffy?

15:02.75
Free
Not just Buffy.

15:03.10
Vance 😈
Okay.

15:03.84
Free
had an evolution when she went to Angel.

15:07.48
Free
I love Cordelia.

15:09.13
Vance 😈
Cordy.

15:09.13
Free
Like, bro.

15:11.19
Vance 😈
I love Cordy. agree. But I think the Joss Whedon in the room. you know the ah

15:16.71
Free
Bro, fuck her

15:18.36
Vance 😈
The way she ended. The whole mystical pregnancy. First of all,

15:22.11
Free
up. Her thousandth mystical pregnancy.

15:24.34
Vance 😈
Yeah, Aunty was ah mystically impregnated like four times in the whole series, which is crazy. um And then like season four, just that whatever the fuck that was, like um for context, the actress Charisma Carpenter got pregnant.

15:42.07
Vance 😈
And it seems like the showrunner, Jocelyn Whedon, punished the the actress for it.

15:42.23
Free
and

15:48.34
Vance 😈
So like the arc basically, and it took up the whole season, so it sucked, but like the arc basically was like, she was impregnated by this mystical being and that was controlling her body and she was doing all this raggedy stuff.

15:54.69
Free
All 22 folks. Yeah.

16:01.90
Vance 😈
So it turned out Cordy was a big bad. And then the beam, she gave but birth to it and it was a Black woman. Go with Gina Torres, fine ass.

16:08.50
Free
Yes.

16:09.59
Vance 😈
And that character,

16:10.13
Free
Lawrence's wife. I said Lawrence's wife.

16:12.34
Vance 😈
What'd you say? Yeah. So the character Jasmine, Gina Torres was actually an okay character. I thought that character was decent, but like, but they, they spent the whole season with this shit.

16:20.38
Free
Yeah, that character was the

16:24.53
Vance 😈
And it was like, when you think about it was just to like punish the actress. And I'm like, that's cruel and fucked up and a fucked up your story because like Cordy is the best character.

16:32.09
Free
best. Yeah, Angel Season 4, y'all. Can't skip it.

16:36.54
Vance 😈
Um, again, you said what can't skip.

16:38.04
Free
a I can't say

16:39.94
Vance 😈
So, I think that, I think the season four Angel has some banger episodes, but overall it's trash.

16:45.91
Free
but... Yeah. You know, actually, really, one of my favorite episodes just was the reveal that Cordy was evil, i'm not gonna lie. That was kind dope.

16:54.33
Vance 😈
I was, I was, I was livid, but I also was watching it live and getting my life as it it was, bitch, it was riveting.

16:55.54
Free
You hated it?

16:59.94
Free
Oh, gee, I wasn't watching live.

17:03.77
Vance 😈
Yeah, it was riveting because every episode, it was apocalyptic. Everything ah everything that could happen to them people is happening to them people. And i was like, what is happening? What are they going to do? then...

17:14.68
Free
And your girl showed up.

17:16.41
Vance 😈
Oh, Faith. Yeah. Faith. Well, okay.

17:19.58
Free
And got hired by the beast. um

17:23.54
Vance 😈
let me Let me get on my big bad. Faith faith is my my my best big bad. Okay, I say that, but she's not a big bad.

17:30.66
Free
She's not.

17:31.63
Vance 😈
She's not.

17:31.72
Free
She was just a teenager.

17:32.02
Vance 😈
Because like...

17:33.12
Free
She was.

17:33.50
Vance 😈
The mayor was the big bad. And Faith is really just like a troubled youth that like these people failed.

17:38.66
Free
Yep. Yep.

17:41.08
Vance 😈
Well, they failed her at every turn. Like Faith is probably we talked about this, but like Faith, the Slayer is probably younger than Buffy.

17:49.14
Free
Right, like a year or something.

17:49.75
Vance 😈
Who was like 17 or 18 in the season.

17:51.92
Free
Maybe two years.

17:53.24
Vance 😈
Right, because Slayers get activated at like 15, 16.

17:56.28
Free
Right.

17:56.36
Vance 😈
So like, if she got activated after Buffy, I assume they're about the same age, but I think she's younger. But then the show did that thing because she was evil or like they highly sexualized her. So like when she showed up, she was talking about having sex and all this other stuff.

18:05.94
Free
Yeah.

18:09.99
Vance 😈
So I think she just felt older.

18:11.90
Free
Right.

18:12.89
Vance 😈
But then she shows up and then like Joy Summers, Buffy Mama, and then Giles both did not be like, little girl, come stay in my house.

18:18.01
Free
They both fell hurt. Right.

18:20.64
Vance 😈
Like I get...

18:20.89
Free
Y'all know the motel. At a Motel 6 down the street with roaches.

18:24.57
Vance 😈
She was paying for a weekly hotel and fighting demons. And I was like, help this girl.

18:28.03
Free
Like, ooh, ooh. The stipends they should have been getting, bitch.

18:32.85
Vance 😈
the The fact that the slayers are unpaid is crazy.

18:33.49
Free
As late. They're unpaid.

18:38.14
Vance 😈
Unpaid labor, ah child labor.

18:39.92
Free
Season 6. Season 6, bitch. Why was Buffy struggling?

18:44.60
Vance 😈
Right. And then her friends were staying at her house and they wasn't paying no rent. I said, this is crazy. This is criminal. I said white people got some nerve. They were like, ah Buffy, this is your house. I was like,

18:57.58
Free
bitch.

18:58.58
Vance 😈
and and and they're found family. So like, what the fuck?

19:04.63
Free
Can we talk about how you got kicked out?

19:05.11
Vance 😈
So, oh, absolutely.

19:06.51
Free
Or you want to say something

19:08.33
Vance 😈
No, that see season seven was trash and it was highlighted by the fact that Buffy's quote unquote friends kicked her of her own house.

19:11.56
Free
else?

19:15.53
Vance 😈
Crazy.

19:15.94
Free
At her own fucking house.

19:19.26
Vance 😈
um Honorable mention to season six.

19:22.68
Free
okay

19:23.45
Vance 😈
So nobody, I don't think people like season six, but I will say, I think season six, one thing I really like about Buffy is like almost no matter what stage your life you're in, there's ah there's a season, right?

19:35.35
Vance 😈
So season six is like that.

19:35.35
Free
Right.

19:37.42
Vance 😈
I'm in my 20s or I'm in my 30s and like the big bad is life.

19:42.75
Free
Yeah.

19:43.08
Free
Yeah. yeah

19:44.42
Vance 😈
Buffy died in the finale of season five. She comes back um and then she don't want to be here because she literally was in heaven and they dragged her out.

19:46.63
Free
Mm-hmm.

19:50.74
Free
Do the hell. Mind her own business.

19:53.62
Vance 😈
having a good time. And her friends brought her back to Sunnydale, which is literally on top of a hell mouth.

19:54.73
Free
Right.

19:58.74
Vance 😈
And it's like, so they brought her to hell and then she has to pay bills.

20:03.35
Free
Right.

20:04.15
Vance 😈
And they spent like 12 episodes of that season where like mama was just not having a good time.

20:09.46
Free
She was struggling. She was working at McDonald's.

20:12.54
Vance 😈
She was. And nobody was helping her. She was. and And nobody was helping her. And I was like, this is crazy. So like when I watch that season and I'm feeling like depressed or something, I'm like, yeah, that's what this is.

20:24.30
Vance 😈
Like that episode where she's like in the psych ward in her head and she keeps, ah they're telling her like, oh, the, basically the series is all in your head and you're unwell.

20:25.41
Free
Right.

20:30.70
Free
Yeah.

20:36.35
Vance 😈
That shit fucks me up.

20:36.68
Free
Right.

20:37.79
Vance 😈
Remember how I ended it?

20:39.44
Free
Bitch. It was very ambiguous, right?

20:42.23
Vance 😈
she would just catatonic cause she chose to be in the fake world.

20:43.88
Free
Yeah.

20:45.15
Vance 😈
And i was like, Oh, and I think her mom was there crying and her mom was dead at this point.

20:46.73
Free
Bitch.

20:49.27
Vance 😈
So it was like, uh,

20:49.79
Free
Bitch, I'm like, is this real? Is this the other, like, was this like an offshoot universe? Like, what's happening here?

20:55.06
Vance 😈
and, and speaking of like, uh, I think we're going to get to like offshoots of Buffy, but, uh, it's that movie. I saw the TV glow, right?

21:02.05
Free
Oh my God, stop. yeah

21:03.75
Vance 😈
Like she chose to be in that that world, but then she died in this world.

21:04.44
Free
Yeah. Yep.

21:08.31
Vance 😈
Like, yeah,

21:09.58
Free
Yep. Yep.

21:10.39
Vance 😈
who All right. um

21:12.35
Free
That movie. oof

21:13.94
Vance 😈
Yeah, that movie fucked me up.

21:14.08
Free
That's whole other podcast.

21:15.35
Vance 😈
Right, right. um Who is your favorite Buffyverse character?

21:20.30
Free
Who's my what?

21:21.43
Vance 😈
Favorite Buffyverse character.

21:23.16
Free
Oh, my favorite. but but I already said it. I guess maybe we talk about Buffy.

21:25.87
Vance 😈
Oh, I'm sorry. You did say that.

21:28.14
Free
It's Cordy.

21:28.47
Vance 😈
Oh, yeah, my bad. My bad. I

21:31.77
Free
Oh, I think you meant to say who's your least, right?

21:34.36
Vance 😈
i did. Yes. Oh, I didn't say Mine is Anya, by the way.

21:35.83
Free
Okay.

21:38.46
Free
Oh, yeah.

21:39.54
Vance 😈
I love Anya.

21:39.99
Free
I knew that.

21:40.34
Vance 😈
she i take I told you I met Emma Clawfield, right?

21:43.42
Free
No. Did you meet her for

21:44.63
Vance 😈
I did... i met her I met her at ah one of the homies as an actress, and she's always having parties. And I met Emma. Well, Emma was there, and I told my friend, I was like, yo, like, I don't want to be no groupie, because there's always actors there.

21:52.30
Free
real? That's dope.

21:58.04
Vance 😈
And, like, you know, you don't want to be the nigga walking up, fanning out.

22:00.28
Free
Right.

22:01.37
Vance 😈
But I'm like, I love Emma.

22:01.37
Free
Right.

22:02.81
Vance 😈
They were like, I'll say something. So I just went up and told her that ah justice for, you know, Anya, and I think that ah she's an underrated comedic actress. And, like, you know...

22:11.61
Free
She really is.

22:11.68
Vance 😈
ah

22:12.45
Free
Was this after the, uh, the, um, the audio book came out?

22:18.71
Vance 😈
I think so. This had to been like last year the year before. I think it was last year.

22:22.48
Free
Okay.

22:23.26
Vance 😈
Yeah.

22:23.32
Free
No, you never told me you met Emma. You told me you met Jay.

22:26.46
Vance 😈
yeah He also underrated character, James Gunn.

22:31.16
Free
e

22:31.26
Vance 😈
I'm sorry, James Gunn. Ha ha ha.

22:33.69
Free
each

22:33.91
Vance 😈
Charles Gunn.

22:35.00
Free
Charles Gunn.

22:37.40
Vance 😈
James Gunn. Who is that? Barbara from Abbott. I should be saying names wrong. ah

22:43.15
Free
Oh my God.

22:44.41
Vance 😈
But Charles Gunn.

22:44.44
Free
I love it. Bobby Brown.

22:47.22
Vance 😈
Right. Girl, ah Charles Gunn is a young nigga that is a vampire hunter and him and his community go out and hunt vampires. That is the richest character on TV at that time.

23:02.12
Free
It really was. They failed them, though.

23:03.16
Vance 😈
And you... And you know the only reason he was on the show was because of in ah in what is the NAACP.

23:04.30
Free
No black. No black.

23:10.13
Vance 😈
I know they don't want us to say it that way no more, but I'm keep saying it. um They mandated that these shows have more black characters, so then they had to do Charles Gunn, and then that was the character we got.

23:18.83
Free
I did not think of the 2000s. Okay.

23:22.33
Vance 😈
Yeah, so so they were forced to do that, and I'm glad they did, but like I wish that that character was written by like black people because it would be even better.

23:22.41
Free
Wow.

23:29.91
Free
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it would have been. It would have been much richer. I mean, the idea of the character is really rich, his backstory, but then he just got absorbed into Angel's white-ass world with these white-ass people and just left his people to fend for themselves.

23:46.68
Vance 😈
crazy.

23:47.61
Free
Yeah, no.

23:47.90
Vance 😈
i think I think he should have just been like the other game in town that works with them.

23:52.35
Free
Yeah.

23:53.14
Vance 😈
And then like low key, you could have had more black characters if you just like had Gunn send his people over if y'all need some help.

24:00.30
Free
Right. Y'all could have been jumping demons, bitch.

24:02.68
Vance 😈
Right. could like

24:03.35
Free
often

24:05.05
Vance 😈
but Yeah, because like the idea of some hood niggas like policing their community from evil forces, which are the actual demons, is like

24:11.22
Free
It's what we should doing anyway, but yes.

24:13.11
Vance 😈
Right, right. I saw that's revolutionary, brother. It

24:18.24
Free
Well, we're talking about Joss Whedon, the winner of, uh, what did you want an award, right?

24:23.03
Vance 😈
was some feminist, some feminist award that nigga won. And then his wife, his wife was like, not on my watch. And then she wrote an op-ed. It was like, this nigga sucks.

24:31.93
Free
He's terrible. yeah

24:33.09
Vance 😈
Y'all award him. me He'd be cheating. He'd be cheating on me. You know, you can't wrong a white woman.

24:39.11
Free
No, you can't. Look, she aired it out, bitch.

24:42.55
Vance 😈
Listen, hey sometimes you got air sometimes you gotta to write an op-ed.

24:44.82
Free
do That's what Hillary should have did, but, you know, that's a different topic for a different time. Hillary Clinton.

24:55.16
Vance 😈
So, this is a hater question, but who is your least favorite Buffyverse character?

24:56.21
Free
Mm-hmm.

25:00.87
Free
You want to say at the same time?

25:02.84
Vance 😈
Oh, but yeah.

25:04.78
Free
Okay.

25:04.82
Vance 😈
ah

25:05.28
Free
One, two, three. Xander Harris.

25:08.09
Vance 😈
Connor. Oh.

25:09.30
Free
Hey, Connor. ah We was off, y'all.

25:13.98
Vance 😈
i said connor but that's from angel okay hear me out hear hear me out of about xander hear me out i i think connor's worse than xander because i think if you were to ask the characters in universe who's worthless i don't think they would say xander

25:19.47
Free
I hate. I hate Xander. But go ahead.

25:35.65
Free
No, you're right.

25:36.60
Vance 😈
i think I think he provides value to them, right? Because he is a um a proxy to Joss Whedon.

25:40.13
Free
Yeah. He's right.

25:44.70
Vance 😈
So Joss Whedon makes him really important all the time. So I think that, like, that's why I couldn't say Xander is the worst character, or least favorite, at least. Connor brings no value. I don't think anyone wants Connor, including his dad. So...

26:00.92
Vance 😈
So, you know...

26:02.11
Free
Yeah.

26:02.14
Vance 😈
um All right. before we Before we wrap up, we've gone a little long. ah Before we wrap up, do you have any... I know we were loosely talking about like just like ah the staying power of Buffy.

26:16.42
Vance 😈
Yeah, but like even like the shows that have come from Buffy, like there are so many. But can you just think of things that, like ah I guess, that reflect the cultural relevance of Buffy?

26:28.44
Vance 😈
Or i don't know how... to You get me, I think?

26:30.65
Free
I mean, I think a lot of shows took that drama model after Buffy, you know? ah I think she she definitely took some from the 90s, but I think Supernatural wouldn't be what it was.

26:43.22
Vance 😈
Yeah. I mean, Grimm, so many supernatural shows for sure.

26:43.81
Free
feel like Grimm, I know Charmed came out at the same time, but I still think they looked at, I feel like they looked at Buffy as a model. Yeah,

26:52.50
Vance 😈
It was ah Practical Magic and Buffy, I'm sure.

26:56.15
Free
yeah, yeah. yeah Um, shit. So many, so many shows.

27:03.22
Vance 😈
our guest, who is the best, like, who do you think most, like, the best Buffy, uh, descendant, like, like, handin over to Baton. If you were to refer a show, like, if you love Buffy, you'll love this. What show is that?

27:17.28
Free
That's a hard one. Because there's not many shows that are exactly like Buffy. um and didn't... what were what you You got one?

27:27.90
Vance 😈
That's the, uh, the Dead Boys Detective show.

27:30.17
Free
Oh, yeah, Neil Gaiman.

27:32.57
Vance 😈
i think I think that one is like a good successor. um what What I love about Buffy is like they balance the comedy and the horror. and like the um I've said it on this podcast before, but like the fact that like they use books and knowledge to save everyone.

27:51.24
Free
Right.

27:51.83
Vance 😈
So like the most important character and Buffy is often Giles because he's the one with the information with the knowledge or he's the, you know, he's the one that like um mentors them and gets them to get what they need.

28:02.07
Vance 😈
So like, yeah, I think like, ah do you, how do you feel about Wesley in general?

28:03.26
Free
Or Wesley in the... in it

28:11.45
Free
I like... that He had a glow up.

28:13.75
Vance 😈
i think I think he had the most dramatic arc, right?

28:16.62
Free
Yeah.

28:16.67
Vance 😈
Like I think from start to beginning, he had the most like, oh, this nigga, like not even the same character. But I also feel like he kind of was a piece of shit the whole time.

28:27.96
Free
from the beginning.

28:29.05
Vance 😈
Yeah, like,

28:29.11
Free
Yes. Why were you dating a tween?

28:33.11
Vance 😈
what, kissing Cordelia?

28:34.57
Free
Kissing Cordelia. There was date.

28:35.80
Vance 😈
Yeah, that. No, they didn't date.

28:38.17
Free
So he just kissed her.

28:39.16
Vance 😈
No, it was like a flirtation, which is problematic in itself.

28:42.23
Free
It is so problematic. He was like 22, maybe.

28:46.52
Vance 😈
Well, how old was he supposed to be? I think ah and in these shows, once they graduate of high school, they're all just 20-something.

28:49.50
Free
and know he had to been in his twenty s though.

28:57.04
Vance 😈
I'm watching season four, season five. Buffy's 20 in season five. But like she's just an adult, right? And then Cordy, when she goes to Angel, she's just an adult.

29:03.43
Free
Right.

29:05.45
Vance 😈
like It's not even...

29:05.78
Free
She seems like she is like late 20s when she goes

29:08.41
Vance 😈
Yeah. Yeah, I think they just were like, no, it don't matter. Cordy is 25 because like it don't make sense that she's 19.

29:13.40
Free
Right.

29:16.06
Free
Right.

29:17.11
Vance 😈
And then 20, cause she's like 20, she's like 21 in season three of Angel.

29:22.33
Free
Yeah.

29:23.06
Vance 😈
Right? 20, 21.

29:23.39
Free
Yeah, yeah, she would have been.

29:25.94
Vance 😈
Oh, we even talk about Angel and his like loving, um, 19, 18 year olds and 20 year olds. crazy.

29:32.31
Free
Ah, bitch. Please. Ew. Cordelia. One of them. Buffy.

29:41.24
Vance 😈
Also, i hate to, hate to be that guy, but i think Cordy and Angel is a better ship than Buffy and Angel.

29:46.23
Free
No. it made It made more sense.

29:48.76
Vance 😈
um Cordy was an adult when they were going like yeah it just made more sense it felt like a more mature relationship

29:53.19
Free
I think... I love Buffy. I think Buffy's a great friend. But she... Her and Angel together was so fucking boring.

30:03.54
Vance 😈
well also it didn't make sense in season 3 cause it's like you already know what happens when this nigga's with you like he's gonna lose his soul and kill everyone

30:04.65
Free
It was...

30:11.38
Free
When he get happy.

30:14.65
Free
When he get too happy.

30:16.09
Vance 😈
Right. So why would you not ghost him? Like, I think um this is not pro-ghosting, but if your boyfriend will kill all your friends if he's happy, you have to ghost them make him.

30:27.10
Free
This is definitely pro-ghosting on that part, though. You gotta... you got Yeah, you gotta go, nigga.

30:30.86
Vance 😈
ah Make him unhappy. Like, don't talk to him.

30:35.86
Free
You gotta go nigga. You need to go suck some blood somewhere else.

30:36.28
Vance 😈
this ah He's a fuckboy. This nigga had a whole baby and did not turn evil.

30:43.96
Vance 😈
Your baby don't make you happy?

30:45.92
Free
Nah, baby mama did not make... But it was...

30:49.43
Vance 😈
I mean, granted, the baby was Connor.

30:50.04
Free
It was Connor.

30:51.43
Vance 😈
Yeah, it was Connor.

30:51.69
Free
Darla.

30:52.67
Vance 😈
I get it. I wouldn't be happy either. But he didnt he he didn't know the baby sucked when it came out.

30:55.12
Free
Damn.

30:57.95
Vance 😈
Like, he should have been happy.

31:02.58
Free
He had an evil-ass baby with Darla.

31:05.01
Vance 😈
Raggedy ass baby.

31:06.23
Free
Yeah.

31:07.83
Vance 😈
Anyway, do do you have any last thoughts about Buffy?

31:07.92
Free
Oh, my.

31:11.03
Free
ah Um... No. Wish we could talk more.

31:15.00
Vance 😈
would you vote Would you vote for Buffy?

31:18.58
Free
Would I vote for Buffy for president? Uh...

31:20.44
Vance 😈
Yeah.

31:24.57
Free
No. and't think but I don't think Buffy is qualified to be president.

31:25.78
Vance 😈
Really? Bitch,

31:29.05
Free
But...

31:29.45
Vance 😈
who is qualified?

31:30.90
Free
think i think chey I think she should have like a position in the cabinet for sure.

31:36.57
Vance 😈
Like, head of security or some shit?

31:37.85
Free
Yes.

31:38.21
Vance 😈
Yeah. OK, but I mean, we talk about presidential qualifications. I'm like, I think Buffy and will be a better president.

31:44.78
Free
I think she would be a better president than Donald bitch-ass Trump.

31:47.67
Vance 😈
What we got.

31:50.36
Free
um So, yes.

31:52.73
Vance 😈
Yeah, I'm like Buffy for president, you know, OK.

31:52.82
Free
Definitely.

31:55.74
Free
But, I mean, you read more of the comic books than i did. Was she gearing toward a political career?

32:00.47
Vance 😈
No, what they just like after they changed the world and made everyone Slayers, they just kind of like Buffy was like the head tri Slayer bitch.

32:07.67
Free
Right.

32:07.97
Vance 😈
So like kind of like CIA director type shit.

32:08.65
Free
OK.

32:11.73
Vance 😈
I don't know how you would put it. Yeah, but but there's so many comics like, yeah, we didn't even talk about the comics. Like there are so many different comics. They start over. um One of the best ones I read was like um all the kids were training.

32:26.55
Vance 😈
Which I think that's how you go with Buffy. Like, the fact that Xander and him wasn't training in the gym to kill demons don't make no sense. Because it's like, Buffy has power. She's not going to die.

32:36.25
Free
Right.

32:37.09
Vance 😈
Like, she's probably...

32:37.90
Free
got Willow. You got Buffy.

32:40.96
Vance 😈
She's the least likely to die in a fight.

32:42.06
Free
Shit. Even Dawn started... Rest in peace to our girl. um

32:46.79
Vance 😈
I know.

32:47.80
Free
Even Dawn started training.

32:48.13
Vance 😈
Michelle.

32:50.06
Free
So, like...

32:57.05
Free
I hate that man.

32:57.11
Vance 😈
we can't see We can't see any of that, but yeah.

33:01.02
Free
He is Josh Lee Incarnate. That is... Use

33:06.20
Vance 😈
Well, I feel like we're wrapping up. um Today's episode is sponsored by... The gay agenda. It's the gay agenda all month. Use your butt, as as we always say.

33:18.64
Vance 😈
um Big thanks to our producer and audio adonis, Aaron Rand Freeman.

33:19.47
Free
Use your butt.

33:23.56
Vance 😈
um I've been Vance Gowe, and you can find me on IG threads at SirLanceOfThought. You can also tell us about ourselves. um I do. I do. I would like for y'all to talk to us more.

33:35.04
Vance 😈
um just in general, uh, we have an IG, um, it may be ran by me. So, uh, send us a message, uh, share our shit, talk shit.

33:40.44
Free
yeah

33:43.67
Vance 😈
Like if you don't like something, like, I don't know. I don't want y'all to be, uh, sending hate mail, but you know, talk to us, uh, at right quick pod on Instagram.

33:49.21
Free
that's my

33:51.54
Vance 😈
And, uh, who are you friend or what can we find you?

33:54.87
Free
Well, you can find me on Instagram at FreeJWill8 um and on Facebook at FreeJWilliams.

34:05.25
Vance 😈
uh,

34:05.90
Free
After I lose this job, you can find me on the corner probably because

34:09.54
Vance 😈
uh, sub,

34:09.88
Free
Lord, these production jobs ain't coming in like they're supposed to. so yeah

34:13.50
Vance 😈
Sell them feet, baby. Uh,

34:15.91
Free
Don't say nothing when you see me out there. Be quiet unless you're paying. Bye.

34:18.48
Vance 😈
uh, is that that bitch from that podcast I don't listen to? Um, well, anyway, bye y'all.

34:24.09
Free
bye