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Hello and welcome to
another episode of page 94.

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We're obviously here to discuss the most
important sporting event of the year,

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the cage fight on the White House lawn.

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Helen, you've been, oiling up.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I haven't well spotted.

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Better do that again.

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Page 94: the Private Eye Podcast.

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Hello and welcome to
another episode of Page 94.

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My name's Andrew Hunter Murray, and
I'm here in the I Studio with Helen

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Lewis, Adam Macqueen and Sarah Shannon.

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We are here to discuss the most important
sporting event of the year so far.

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Obviously the cage fight
on the White House lawn.

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Helen, you've been observing
these star Spangled Biceps.

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What can you tell

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I have.

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not with the actual cage fighting bit
because in a classic Trump, stitch

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up the broadcast rights for that
were exclusively given to not CBS

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the thing that they own for that's
free to air, but Paramount plus.

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So you had, they were pay-per-view

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what

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actually, like monthly subscription
fee and sure enough, the two people

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who were in charge of Paramount, the
Ellisons were there at the match and

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are Trump donors and got his sign off
for their merger with Warner Brothers.

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And that is the story of
the White House ca Front.

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Yes.

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the main story is that the fact that
it was, I've never seen a more taly

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American occasion extra everything.

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Imagine something that you think
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Monster truck.

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Yeah.

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No, they had people jumping motorbikes,
evil KL style of little ramps.

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They had a weigh in where they
flew a bald eagle over it.

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They had a fly past when they
were doing the national anthem.

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This sounds so brilliant.

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I am so subscribing to Paramount Plus now.

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They had what?

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the, they had the walk-in,
started in the Oval Office.

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So there's Yeah.

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There's a great shot of one
of the fighters staring at an

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original copy of the Declaration
of Independence, going Yeah.

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Then turning around, walking past,
the gold signage he's had put in the

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Hall of Presidents with Biden and the
Autopen, and then all the pictures

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of it, and then out onto the octagon.

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It was the campus thing you've ever seen.

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It was amazing.

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This is even before the
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off

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wrestling with each other.

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it

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was, it was the most American
thing you've ever seen.

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Wow.

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And, as and in not being for all
Americans, only for those with a

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particular Paramount Plus subscription.

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exactly.

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but for

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American.

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So the UFC paid for it.

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So Dana White, who runs the UFC, he's
a big Trump, long time Trump friend.

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When that franchise was really struggling,
it was banned for a long time in America

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because it was seen as being too violent.

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John McCain called it human cock fighting.

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Who would've thought something
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Wasn't we be violent?

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But, Trump held, Trump let them hold
matches in his casinos, essentially.

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So he did Donna White favours

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back in the day.

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Donna White now said, look,
we'll pay for all this.

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We'll build the octagon.

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We'll clean up the

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octagon.

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You won't have to, pay taxpayers
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But essentially functioned as the most
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so it worked for him.

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Trump invested in TKO holdings

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after the.

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Bout was announced only one
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TKO holdings being

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the, MMA company Donna White's company.

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again, once again, I'm sure
there'll be many ways in which the

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Trump family will have got its beak
wet as a result of about these men

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cluttering seven bells out each
other because that's how he rolls.

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Mark Zuckerberg.

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Was there another recent convert
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and topless with other fellas?

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it was allegedly part of America two 50.

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But really it was America.

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it was America's favourite president,
Donald Trump's 80th birthday.

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And someone did a great tweet,
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ultimate, he's Caesar maxing.

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Oh, I don't like that.

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That makes me feel very queasy.

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He had a peace deal with Persia, a
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The Imperial palace.

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And then your elderly emperor and his
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Like it's that is that he has Caesar Max.

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You can't take that away from him.

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My god.

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How did it E Caesar?

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I can't remember just offhand.

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we don't need to get too chin strokey
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but it is interesting that it
comes the same within a day of the

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announcement that there's a deal with
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supposedly with tremendous
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could see that it's not really

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But it does tell you something very
interesting about the MAGA movement.

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All the posts about it were like,
libs would say that they hate

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this because, it's tasteless, but
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Trump's approval rating is bad.

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Actually, only 18% of people said
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time to be having a big cage
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given that gas prices are so high, the
economy's not doing particularly well.

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So it was one of those kind of
great moments like the election

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night where it was just a lot of
people exalting and owning the libs.

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And oh, I tell you who won't like this.

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which is the kind of animating
glue of lots of bits of that.

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And they're not happy unless they
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And, you can say that's, I think
that's a little slightly decadent,

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but it's, what makes them happy.

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Andy's, and that's what we can
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Apart from anything else, aside from
any of the ideological occurrences.

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They all just like the idea
that they're upsetting.

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Some tell you what this
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tell you what, this doesn't contain
the Seeds of its own destruction.

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Am I right Lan?

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But, poor, Trump did go to a Knicks
game and sure enough got booed at it.

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fair enough.

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That's in New York, which is
just elected the Ramani as mare.

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But, and he, once again, he looked
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could see once again the hand with
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So there is a definitely a kind of.

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Elderly Caesar vibe going on.

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I think he stayed awake throughout the
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people out of cannons, stuff like that.

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That's why the motorbikes and
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noisy that he wouldn't nod off A

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bald eagle was, playing king
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And didn't they give, whopping
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cryptocurrency firm to the fighters?

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the, this comes back to actually,
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actually rules the world, like the people
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This is what I mean about it
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American Ram trucks and crypto.com.

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And actually they had a, an advert on the
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Both of those sound like made up.

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Things that they would put in
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can't use the reel just a bit.

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crypto.com.

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Slightly more imaginative

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maybe what we call a truck.

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Big truck, hard truck.

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Ram truck.

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Ram truck, yeah.

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Ram Truck.

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you ram They izing the riyad
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kind of big hoopla and having and
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the Rio Comedy Festival that I went to
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kind of stuff all comes to Saudi Arabia.

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So this is just, yeah, it was it,
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just a giant festival of people
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up with Trump and the Trump family
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it was very hard to get a ticket.

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They gave most of the tickets out
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obviously had some of the Trump family
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then you could watch it from on the mall
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which he's had repainted, although it's
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'cause the drainage isn't sorted out.

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But, there's, they've just announced
there's gonna be an America two 50 rodeo.

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See you better.

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I love, now

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we're talking.

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But they've had to cancel the
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many of the singers kept pulling
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It, this has been America's two 50
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and there was a bipartisan commission
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But then, Trump set up a competing
one that was a very much a MAGA one.

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and so as a result, the whole
thing has become super partisan.

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It hasn't so much become a celebration
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ideals as like hail to the chief.

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The concert had some extraordinary people
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they had vanilla ice who
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milli Van I know.

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one of whom is dead and
neither of whom were singers.

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So it's an odd fan to it.

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Find a book, isn't it?

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Trump did this spectacularly
petulant tweet, which was like, I

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don't even want overpriced singers.

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I'd much rather have a rally.

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And then it concluded with going, I'm a
bigger draw than Elvis was at his Pique.

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Again, the question, how did that one end?

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Yes, but it was, yeah, so he's had
a little foot stomp, but this was

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his, this, I think this was the one
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right?

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Because it was all military like
guys standing around in uniforms.

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The brass band, the, like
everything that he loves.

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bombast, pageantry and pomp.

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We are not in a position to criticise.

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'cause I watched the trooping
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going, what are we, what is this?

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This is just extraordinary.

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But the trooping of the colour
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Ton's pick.

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This is, or any other
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Still pretty camp though.

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Those little gold

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uniforms.

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It's so funny in association.

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But it had to be something really
crap that was really like degrading.

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It'd have to be like an association
with a mode or something.

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Did you really need the money guys?

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should we talk briefly
about the Iran deal to,

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is he actually happening this time?

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Yeah, because I feel like it's about
250 years of, Trump saying we're

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gonna have a deal this weekend.

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you can tell that all the European
leaders are slightly, don't really

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believe it until they see it.

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'cause they keep saying it's very
important, we must have toll free

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access to the straight of poor news.

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And that's one of the things
that Trump has announced

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will definitely be happening.

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So the fact that they keep going, no,
we really, what a great deal would

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include would definitely be this.

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Yes.

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the timing of the announcement is
another thing that people who specialise

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in watching it do like to point out,
which is that it came on Sunday night

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before the markets opened, which almost
every other week since the war began,

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has seen Trump announcing on Sunday
night, Hey, it's all over Terrific news.

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This is at least a memorandum of
understanding as it were, that we'll

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have 60 days of further ceasefire.

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even within it, Trump said this, the
oil must flow immediately and then

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said clarified later on, the oil's
gonna flow as of Friday once the

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Iranians have de mined the strait
and subject to further agreements.

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So again, it's a bit partial and a bit
tentative and, it depends on whether

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people are happy with insurance to
go through the strait of ous now.

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And the ceasefire so far has been
one of the more shooty ceasefires,

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isn't

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it?

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it, there's an

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awful lot of sort of war
stuff still going on.

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Israel went and said, it's not,
our ceasefire can't make us.

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and, once it's, campaign in
Lebanon excluded from it.

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Anyway, the thing I think that's very
worrying about it long term is essentially

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what Iran has learned from this is that,
Donald Trump doesn't have the stones

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to actually put boots on the ground.

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Yeah.

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So he went in saying,
we want regime change.

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He hasn't got that.

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He said, we don't want
any nuclear weapons.

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that was the whole point of the 2015 deal.

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And actually he now doesn't
have an inspection regime

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as part of this necessarily.

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And, he's also taught Iran that they
have the most amazing bargaining chip

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in the world to use against America,
which is closing the straight poor news.

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So what happens if in September as
the midterms are coming up, they

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just suddenly close it again and gas
prices in America jump by a dollar

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up, at the, and then at that point
Trump is desperate for them to do it.

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They will have the most
incredible negotiating tactic.

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So I, can't see this, the, if
they had managed to institute

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peaceful democracy and stop, Iran
getting any nuclear weapons, then

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that would've been good outcome.

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What they essentially, to my mind have
done is just wholesale advertise their

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lack of commitment to a full scale war.

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Yeah.

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And this is the other thing we should
say is that just to, to remind everyone

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Trump's words at the beginning of
the war, "finally to the great proud

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people of Iran, I say tonight, the
hour of your freedom is at hand.

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When we are finished, take over your
government, it will be yours to take.

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This will probably be your
only chance for generations."

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Obviously, now the regime's in
an even, it's, it suffered a lot

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of damage, but it's in an even
stronger position than it was.

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But it's not only that, it feels
like the Iranian people have rallied

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behind or a lot of them in a way.

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do you remember when, he made the
threat about bombing them back to the

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beginning of civilization or whatever
it was, there were people turning

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out in droves to stand on bridges and
bits of infrastructure that they were

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thought were gonna be targets, kinda
making themselves into human shields.

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It felt if you want to pull a
people together, start bombing them,

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especially a people that have been
united against their government a

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year earlier, nasa, a meany protest,

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the IO to is looking

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protest

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the IO to is looking 40 years
younger than he ever did.

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we don't know, to be fair,
no one's actually seen

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anyway.

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It's just, it is a, it's a sort
of classic job result, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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It was a kind of, but it's interesting
that people have finally learned

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when he came out, when I've got this
amazing piece deal, everyone went.

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Alright, so we'll see how it goes.

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the markets, as you say, rallied, but
they've just rallied so many times.

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You just, I've never seen people
more enthusiastically ready to leave.

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They so believe things that a
mad bloke has just said to them.

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the thing that's interesting
is, yeah, to go back to the,

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Iranian people rising up Yeah.

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Is that does seem to have been something
that was fed to them by Netanyahu.

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We came over and did this presentation
in the situation room, like a sort

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of PowerPoint and he said, no,
honestly, if you just do it, they're

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just, they're gagging for it.

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They're ready to rise up.

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And that seems to have been the
basis on which he's done it.

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Trump's reaction was to blame the
American people and to say, "I dunno

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that America has the appetite to
do what I would really much prefer

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doing." This was a few days before
the deal, such as it is, was signed.

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Which is very, I'd love to new
him, but, my people are cowards.

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So it's,

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it's really that he's just
said some extraordinary things

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in the last couple weeks.

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He said, 'I don't care about
inflation.' That was another great one.

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I don't care about the economy.

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'affordability is a hoax
perpetrated by the Democrats.'

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He's, as I say, he's, Seear maxing.

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There's a new book coming out by two
White House reporters, Maggie Haman

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and Jonathan Swan, in which they have
got essentially verbatim transcripts

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of things that happen in the situation
room, which is really quite cons, like a

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level of leakage that is unprecedented.

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Yeah.

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Like word for word stuff.

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So the, suspicion has to be that some
people who are already looking ahead to

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the post-Trump future are very keen to
say that when terrible decisions were

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made, they were not involved with them.

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so there's a kind of meta
play going on here as well.

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but yeah, talking which both, Marco
o Ruby and JD Vance were obviously at

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the, obviously at the UFC as they're
the kind of two heirs apparent as was

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Did, they partake?

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sadly they did not.

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And Young Barron was there along
with, the other sons, including the

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one who got married last weekend
and Trump didn't bother to go.

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He'll go to this.

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Forgot that.

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Oh my God.

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We'll, do you one way to source
out the succession, wouldn't it?

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Or get in the ring guys.

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Barron would win.

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Barron is like eight feet tall.

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He take a lot of them.

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He's, yeah.

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But JD Vance has been
looking much trimmer of late,

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ah,

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Helen.

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We can't do Helen's pic watch every
single before I of this podcast.

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we should turn to the other biggest
sporting engagement of the year so far.

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which countries have we all picked
or had forced on us in the eyes?

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World Cup Sweepstake.

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I'll go first.

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Garner

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Egypt.

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Germany.

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Oh,

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Korea.

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Who have won one match.

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I see.

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So

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I think I'm

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on my way.

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if they keep going like
that, they can't lose.

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So we are here to talk about the
World Cup, but we thought we'd

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make it as Irish as possible.

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So the latest, issue of the
mag has, a World Cup theme.

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And Sarai, you write a great deal about
sport at the eye and this is a rather

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unusual World Cup in that it's a lot
larger, so it's a lot easier to get in,

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but it's also quite a lot harder to get
in to the country that's hosting it.

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Is that fair?

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I think that's fair.

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Yes.

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It's, there's never been more matches,
more tickets available, but can you

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actually get there to watch your team?

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Iran is the sort of top story on this.

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they can't actually even have
their training camp in the country.

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it is this extraordinary situation where
the host Nation, and one of the competing

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Nations is are at war with each other.

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Yeah.

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So Iran was supposed to be based in
Tucson, Arizona, but they're now in

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Tijuana, in Mexico, which is pretty
much the last place any, Mexican

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football team wants to be based.

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'cause it's miles away from
other footballing centres.

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They've got really rough AstroTurf,
but the local Mexicans are apparently

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making them really welcome, cheering
them when they come out to their hotel

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and asking for autographs and so on.

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Okay.

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they're doing their best to make up
for the lack of, welcome from the host,

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but Trump said that, they couldn't
come and stay in America because their

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lives and safety would be in danger.

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And

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so,

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this is element to the support staff,
the training staff, the management

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staff, basically, because various people
have applied and not been allowed in.

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Yes.

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Some have reapplied

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Yes.

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And then got in on appeal,

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but, so it's very Messi.

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So the Iranian, yeah, the Iranian,
football federation president,

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he's not allowed in because
of his, links to the IRGC.

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there's lots of other support
staff that couldn't be there.

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they, were going to do their press
conference in LA yesterday, and some of

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the press team hadn't been allowed to go.

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So somebody said, who's gonna
be advising them on tactics,

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in terms of press tactics?

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And, they said, perhaps the kitman
might have some advice for them.

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but anyway, yeah.

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So it's been a, rocky road
for them to get here for sure.

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their star striker, also wasn't picked
for the team because he has spoken

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up about women's rights in the past.

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two of them matches are gonna be in
Los Angeles, which is the sort of

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home of the huge Iranian diaspora,
about 375,000 Iranians live there.

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I think there's an

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area of Los Angeles that
they called Terror Angelis.

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'cause there's so many Wow.

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Iranians that live there.

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Yeah.

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So they all want to go along
and protest against the Iranian

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government and wave their
pre-revolutionary sun and lion, flags.

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But that's not gonna be allowed.

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because FIFA won't allow political
statements to be made unless it's, Gianni

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Infantino in a magaha, then it's okay.

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these are not the only people
who've been had their access

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to the World Cup restricted?

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No.

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four countries are
under total travel bans.

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There's Iran, Haiti,
ivory Coast, and Senegal.

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So none of their fans can go.

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And then there's other countries
that have found it incredibly

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difficult to get, visas to go.

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countries like Ghana, Congo, Cape Verde.

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And just to prove they're not
only anti African countries.

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Uzbekistan's also found
it really difficult to get

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visas to go to the World Cup.

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yeah.

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And then there's this, Somali referee,
Omar Artan who, he had a diplomatic visa.

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He had a single entry visa
to get into the, the us.

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He would've been the first Somalian
to have, referee to World Cup game.

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So it was a, big deal.

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But he arrived, at Miami Airport.

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He was questioned for 10 hours.

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and then he was told no he had to go home.

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And Andrew Giuliani's, son of
Rudy, who is, leading Trump's

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us World Cup task force.

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Okay.

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he said that

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yes,

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of course he is.

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Yeah, of course he is.

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he said that, we can't let somebody
in that might have been talking to

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terrorists or might even be a terrorist,
but U UA for the European, football.

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People who are a bit more sensible,
have basically done as a kind of an FU

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to, to Trump and FIFA and US customs
in general have said, why don't you

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come and officiate at the UA for
Super Cup final, which is in August.

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one

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man's terrorist is
another man's top referee.

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Is some of this about being
a very ostentatiously tough

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on immigration though?

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Because there was an issue with,
was it the Iranian women's team?

489
00:19:39,456 --> 00:19:42,246
Some of them defected and then
un defected at a recent match.

490
00:19:42,276 --> 00:19:42,546
Yes.

491
00:19:42,546 --> 00:19:44,316
That was in Australia, wasn't it?

492
00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:44,736
Yeah.

493
00:19:44,736 --> 00:19:44,746
Yeah.

494
00:19:46,116 --> 00:19:51,126
the, I really feel for the players 'cause
they're in a really lose situation I think

495
00:19:51,126 --> 00:19:55,626
because if they say anything that even
remotely hints at the fact that they might

496
00:19:55,626 --> 00:19:59,586
not love their regime, they're gonna be
in enormous trouble when they get home.

497
00:19:59,586 --> 00:20:04,176
And if they say anything that's
pro the regime, they're gonna have

498
00:20:04,176 --> 00:20:07,736
all those Iranian Americans in
the LA stadium shouting at them.

499
00:20:08,456 --> 00:20:12,446
and then they've got another issue,
which is that the, they've got two,

500
00:20:12,536 --> 00:20:16,556
two matches in Los Angeles and then
they've got one in Seattle and that's

501
00:20:16,556 --> 00:20:18,806
been designated as a pride match.

502
00:20:19,646 --> 00:20:22,406
and they're playing Egypt so
it couldn't be more perfect.

503
00:20:22,406 --> 00:20:22,916
Really

504
00:20:22,916 --> 00:20:24,386
lose appropriate teams in the world.

505
00:20:24,551 --> 00:20:24,831
Yeah.

506
00:20:24,971 --> 00:20:28,976
And apparently they did ask that it
could be undesignated a pride match,

507
00:20:28,976 --> 00:20:34,256
but for once FIFA decided to do the
right thing and they stuck to their guns

508
00:20:34,256 --> 00:20:37,076
and it still built will be, a, pride.

509
00:20:37,106 --> 00:20:38,036
Rainbow lace is all around.

510
00:20:38,186 --> 00:20:40,979
settlers are very notoriously LGBT cities.

511
00:20:41,156 --> 00:20:41,456
Exactly.

512
00:20:41,456 --> 00:20:42,056
See where they pick that.

513
00:20:42,236 --> 00:20:45,026
But presumably, my, I'm gonna take
a wild stab in the dark and say it.

514
00:20:45,026 --> 00:20:50,486
We won nauseatingly sickly pre-roll
video about how inclusion is great and

515
00:20:50,486 --> 00:20:52,946
everybody should be like, valued Yes.

516
00:20:52,946 --> 00:20:56,306
And then nothing and then no,
no money to LGBT organisations.

517
00:20:56,306 --> 00:20:56,456
Nothing.

518
00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:56,546
Yes.

519
00:20:56,546 --> 00:21:01,076
At which point the Iranian and Egyptian,
teams would all stare at their shoes.

520
00:21:02,541 --> 00:21:07,706
So Does any of this politics over
the Visa stuff and, all, of these

521
00:21:07,706 --> 00:21:11,710
different difficulties, does any
of this affect whether this is

522
00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:13,790
a successful World Cup or not?

523
00:21:14,170 --> 00:21:17,230
And does a successful World
Cup, does that definition change

524
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,620
depending on whether you're the
USA or FIFA or Canada or Mexico?

525
00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:20,920
I know,

526
00:21:22,226 --> 00:21:28,376
the US definition of a successful World
Cup, it's hard to say because it's not

527
00:21:28,376 --> 00:21:30,326
as big a deal for them as it is for us.

528
00:21:30,686 --> 00:21:34,496
it is, it's their sort of, they've got
four sports that they watch more than

529
00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:39,056
they would watch soccer, even with their
big Hispanic communities and everything.

530
00:21:39,896 --> 00:21:43,496
but making lots of money
is FIFA's primary concern.

531
00:21:43,496 --> 00:21:45,506
So it seems, and they're going to do that.

532
00:21:46,166 --> 00:21:51,266
They're, going set to make $13
billion out of this World Cup, which

533
00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:55,196
is pretty incredible considering
that the Qatar World Cup in 2022,

534
00:21:55,196 --> 00:21:57,476
they made I think around 7 billion.

535
00:21:57,896 --> 00:22:01,016
So that's pretty good inflationary rate.

536
00:22:01,016 --> 00:22:01,886
So where's, that coming from?

537
00:22:02,036 --> 00:22:04,976
part of it is because they've got
so many teams this time, they've

538
00:22:04,976 --> 00:22:07,916
got, 48 teams instead of 32.

539
00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:11,906
so there's all those extra
matches to sell broadcasting

540
00:22:11,906 --> 00:22:14,156
rights, sponsorship, and tickets.

541
00:22:15,086 --> 00:22:18,806
and the ticket pricing has become
a really controversial issue.

542
00:22:18,806 --> 00:22:20,186
They're doing dynamic
pricing, aren't they?

543
00:22:20,186 --> 00:22:21,596
Like the big scandal with Oasis.

544
00:22:21,601 --> 00:22:21,761
Yeah, exactly.

545
00:22:21,761 --> 00:22:24,536
When people suddenly found that
tickets were way more expensive

546
00:22:24,536 --> 00:22:25,346
than they were when they first

547
00:22:25,346 --> 00:22:25,496
got

548
00:22:25,496 --> 00:22:27,081
on the phone call to, to Y one.

549
00:22:27,086 --> 00:22:27,176
Yes.

550
00:22:27,266 --> 00:22:31,016
Dynamic pricing is amazing for a
business because, you've absolutely

551
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:35,481
maxed out your profit, but it's
terrible for spectators because Yeah.

552
00:22:35,756 --> 00:22:37,256
You just have no idea.

553
00:22:37,256 --> 00:22:39,986
You know what, there's not
nothing transparent about the

554
00:22:39,986 --> 00:22:41,336
price that you're going to pay.

555
00:22:41,336 --> 00:22:41,636
Yeah.

556
00:22:41,656 --> 00:22:42,446
you just have to,

557
00:22:42,806 --> 00:22:44,636
and there have actually been a
lot of empty seats visible at

558
00:22:44,636 --> 00:22:45,536
the early matches, haven't there?

559
00:22:45,746 --> 00:22:46,496
Yes, exactly.

560
00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:51,146
Infantino said that all tickets were sold
in one of his typically grand statements.

561
00:22:51,146 --> 00:22:51,206
Yeah.

562
00:22:51,206 --> 00:22:54,266
But then where are all these
empty seats coming from?

563
00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:56,731
And they say, presumably it doesn't
matter if they're standing in the

564
00:22:56,731 --> 00:22:58,286
concourse, but I don't think so.

565
00:22:58,291 --> 00:23:00,236
Presumably, it doesn't matter if the
people who are in those few seats are

566
00:23:00,236 --> 00:23:02,036
paying kind of $3,000 a shot for them,

567
00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:02,996
Exactly.

568
00:23:02,996 --> 00:23:03,056
You

569
00:23:03,056 --> 00:23:03,896
make the same amount of money.

570
00:23:04,106 --> 00:23:04,466
Yeah.

571
00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:10,046
And across so many matches,
there's 103 matches compared to 64.

572
00:23:10,046 --> 00:23:13,376
So all the non-football fans
have got a lot to look for.

573
00:23:13,676 --> 00:23:14,996
And of course, three countries as well.

574
00:23:15,146 --> 00:23:18,416
we shouldn't forget, even before the
Iran stuff, this was being co-hosted

575
00:23:18,416 --> 00:23:22,496
by America and one Nation that he's
constantly accused of, of putting

576
00:23:22,736 --> 00:23:26,066
their rapists and their criminals and
their worst people, over the border.

577
00:23:26,066 --> 00:23:27,446
And one which he's
threatened to invade on.

578
00:23:27,686 --> 00:23:29,756
Ations has he, which
was quite mad to start

579
00:23:29,966 --> 00:23:30,056
with.

580
00:23:30,056 --> 00:23:30,206
Yes.

581
00:23:30,386 --> 00:23:34,496
that's the irony of the Iranian team
being based in Mexico where they are safe.

582
00:23:35,156 --> 00:23:35,276
yes.

583
00:23:35,366 --> 00:23:38,186
Apparently, rather than
the USA where they're not.

584
00:23:38,606 --> 00:23:40,556
I wonder how much of this is
about sports betting, though.

585
00:23:40,556 --> 00:23:42,986
So it's been a, there's been a
massive success in the last few years

586
00:23:42,986 --> 00:23:46,676
since the Netflix documentary Drive
to Survive bringing Formula One.

587
00:23:47,124 --> 00:23:47,664
Do you have to

588
00:23:47,664 --> 00:23:48,144
announce it like

589
00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:48,234
that

590
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:49,374
drive to survive?

591
00:23:49,374 --> 00:23:52,044
I can't Watching Clarkson's
farm over the weekend, sorry.

592
00:23:52,044 --> 00:23:52,524
It's ruined me.

593
00:23:52,824 --> 00:23:57,894
But, and at the same time, the rise of,
of sports betting just huge legalised a

594
00:23:57,894 --> 00:24:01,644
couple of years ago in the US and just
people are raking in money from it.

595
00:24:01,824 --> 00:24:02,034
Yes.

596
00:24:02,034 --> 00:24:05,694
And I think that therefore the,
desire to expand the number of sports.

597
00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:09,450
And therefore the amount of sports
betting that goes on is must be enormous.

598
00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:10,950
'cause they had the Club
World Cup, didn't they?

599
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:11,550
In America?

600
00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,130
That, which was a
completely random occasion

601
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:14,640
Yes.

602
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,860
With Trump, handing over the trophy

603
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,190
Yeah.

604
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:19,380
As he's intending to do for this one.

605
00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:22,980
he hasn't really been, he hasn't
been seen a World Cup match yet.

606
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:24,120
But he is supposed to be there.

607
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:27,390
He's been wearing for peace prize medal.

608
00:24:27,735 --> 00:24:28,225
Exactly.

609
00:24:28,225 --> 00:24:31,950
He's he puts get put, you know how
they put a star on the, shirts when,

610
00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:34,680
depending on how many World Cups you
want, he can presumably add bars to

611
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,600
his fipa Peace prize medal for every

612
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:37,200
War

613
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,530
stop.

614
00:24:37,535 --> 00:24:38,850
Or that he's ended and or Star,

615
00:24:38,895 --> 00:24:39,720
Yeah, yeah.

616
00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:42,900
But, there's a piece
in the latest tie Yeah.

617
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:44,670
in the money column.

618
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:44,850
Yes.

619
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:48,210
in the back, which is all about
the amount of money flooding into

620
00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:49,350
the World Cup from the Middle East.

621
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:49,470
Yes.

622
00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:51,630
And so this is another
thing apart from Yes.

623
00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:54,180
Expanding the number of matches and
the number of tickets and all of this.

624
00:24:54,210 --> 00:24:54,570
Yes.

625
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:57,150
The money coming in the
Saudi Public Investment Fund.

626
00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:57,390
Yes.

627
00:24:57,420 --> 00:24:58,500
Saudi Aramco.

628
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,700
Qatar Airways.

629
00:24:59,760 --> 00:24:59,850
Yes.

630
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,930
There are lots and lots of new
sources, new revenue streams for FIFA.

631
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:04,110
Yes.

632
00:25:04,530 --> 00:25:09,630
Predict Street, which is a Abu Dhabi
based predictive trading platform.

633
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:10,050
Yeah.

634
00:25:10,815 --> 00:25:12,450
they're also a sponsor.

635
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:14,640
So yeah, the Gulf money
has kept pouring in.

636
00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:18,330
they always talk about the legacy
of sports tournaments, but I

637
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:19,950
don't think they really mean that.

638
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:24,750
the 2022, Qatar Tournament had
a legacy of still waking in

639
00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:26,280
a lot of money from the Gulf.

640
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,360
Infantino can top up
the coffers with that.

641
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:35,520
So he's got the broadcasting money,
the ticket money, and the sponsorship.

642
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,420
And there's also a, an extra little
tweak that he's managed this time,

643
00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:41,160
which are the hydration breaks.

644
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:41,910
No, love the hydration break.

645
00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:43,590
Love the one they were having
in the Canadian when the matches

646
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:45,840
that was being held in Canada,
where it was genuinely like colder

647
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,170
than

648
00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:46,440
here.

649
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,420
And you're like, they've
just turned it into quarters.

650
00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:49,320
Like an American.

651
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:49,890
Exactly.

652
00:25:49,890 --> 00:25:50,175
So hydration

653
00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:51,015
breaks, can you fill me in?

654
00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:54,720
halfway through each half
now they, they stop play.

655
00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:58,050
they have a three minute
break for hydration.

656
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,070
There used to be allowed hydration
breaks at the discretion of the referee.

657
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:07,590
So if people were turning p and fainting
because it was 40 degrees, then maybe

658
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:08,790
they'd let them have some water.

659
00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:11,160
But now it's absolutely standard.

660
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,440
And they said it was
easier to make it standard.

661
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:19,550
not BBC, obviously, ITVI notice stuck
a quick competition for some World

662
00:26:19,550 --> 00:26:22,820
Cup tickets, in their hydration break.

663
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,100
But on Fox Sports, it's been really
annoying viewers because, the first match

664
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:33,470
at Mexico, South Africa, they actually
overran the, hydration break with the ads.

665
00:26:33,725 --> 00:26:34,935
They came back and two

666
00:26:34,935 --> 00:26:35,375
hydrated when

667
00:26:35,405 --> 00:26:38,575
they were, yes, it's got five goals.

668
00:26:39,445 --> 00:26:41,930
They came back and they
were, already playing.

669
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:43,850
So that was very, annoying to.

670
00:26:44,034 --> 00:26:44,814
To the view it is.

671
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:47,904
I've been living in a household
with someone who is expressed a

672
00:26:47,904 --> 00:26:50,394
desire to watch every single game,
which I think he may bail out on.

673
00:26:50,754 --> 00:26:53,454
He's got to hold out a job, at
least for the next couple of weeks.

674
00:26:53,754 --> 00:26:55,074
But, it does stop.

675
00:26:55,074 --> 00:26:56,214
It stops the run of play.

676
00:26:56,214 --> 00:26:58,644
This is the kind of yes phrase that
gets said in my household now and

677
00:26:58,644 --> 00:26:59,964
we nod sagely about the run of play.

678
00:27:00,204 --> 00:27:02,334
However, they have come up with a
different role, which is about the

679
00:27:02,334 --> 00:27:05,034
fact that you can't piss about with
throw ins for a really long time now.

680
00:27:05,034 --> 00:27:07,404
So they found another
way to speed up the game.

681
00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:08,274
Right.

682
00:27:08,274 --> 00:27:11,214
But essentially they have made
the game worse in order to

683
00:27:11,214 --> 00:27:12,354
serve the needs of advertisers.

684
00:27:12,354 --> 00:27:12,504
Yes.

685
00:27:12,504 --> 00:27:13,974
Which is pretty much Pique

686
00:27:14,004 --> 00:27:16,374
and it does change the
way the game is played.

687
00:27:16,374 --> 00:27:18,474
So your right momentum's stopped.

688
00:27:19,584 --> 00:27:23,844
Morocco a beating Brazil,
they have a hydration break.

689
00:27:24,114 --> 00:27:26,274
They get some really good
advice from their coach and

690
00:27:26,274 --> 00:27:27,654
they go back out and score.

691
00:27:27,774 --> 00:27:30,564
It's, it's not the way
things are supposed to be.

692
00:27:31,494 --> 00:27:31,764
Right.

693
00:27:31,884 --> 00:27:33,984
You don't have the full
tension of the half.

694
00:27:34,162 --> 00:27:37,102
is all of this now locked
in for future World Cups?

695
00:27:37,432 --> 00:27:38,272
I think so.

696
00:27:38,272 --> 00:27:41,482
I feel like once the genie
outta the bottle, hydration

697
00:27:41,482 --> 00:27:42,682
breaks will become a thing.

698
00:27:42,687 --> 00:27:42,747
I,

699
00:27:42,982 --> 00:27:44,122
I mean in Saudi Arabia they,

700
00:27:44,812 --> 00:27:45,172
yes.

701
00:27:45,172 --> 00:27:46,702
They'll have to be, it might be necessary.

702
00:27:46,702 --> 00:27:47,362
Yeah.

703
00:27:47,362 --> 00:27:48,232
Hell's in a hot place, but

704
00:27:48,232 --> 00:27:48,592
Helen's

705
00:27:48,592 --> 00:27:48,742
right.

706
00:27:48,742 --> 00:27:50,542
Air conditioned stadiums,
they're gonna need that.

707
00:27:50,572 --> 00:27:51,112
Yeah.

708
00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:56,842
Germany, Kura South the other night had,
a roof and air conditioning, but it still

709
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,547
needed a hydration break, apparently.

710
00:27:59,002 --> 00:27:59,392
And they're having a

711
00:27:59,392 --> 00:28:01,612
halftime show in the final,
so it'd be like a Super Bowl.

712
00:28:02,362 --> 00:28:02,782
Oh, that's good.

713
00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:03,382
I like that bit.

714
00:28:03,497 --> 00:28:03,987
Shakira

715
00:28:04,007 --> 00:28:04,547
is coming off.

716
00:28:04,707 --> 00:28:05,467
Yeah, bunny was fantastic.

717
00:28:05,577 --> 00:28:05,867
Yeah.

718
00:28:06,112 --> 00:28:07,672
Shakira and Madonna.

719
00:28:07,855 --> 00:28:11,095
I think we've got through almost a whole
section without referring to any actual

720
00:28:11,095 --> 00:28:14,275
football, which was always my secret
aim at the start of this is to talk only

721
00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:15,535
about the things surrounding football.

722
00:28:15,835 --> 00:28:19,525
Does all of this sully the really
good name of FIFA, as a completely

723
00:28:19,525 --> 00:28:21,265
impartial and benevolent sporting body?

724
00:28:21,535 --> 00:28:26,185
Or was this always gonna be the trashiest
least fan friendly World Cup ever?

725
00:28:26,875 --> 00:28:31,435
I think, you always hope that once
the action gets underway Yeah.

726
00:28:31,465 --> 00:28:35,575
And the knockouts start, yeah, the
excitement builds and people get into it

727
00:28:35,575 --> 00:28:39,565
and forget about all the politics, but
I don't know that the time differences

728
00:28:39,565 --> 00:28:41,335
really anti them in this occasion.

729
00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:46,405
And I think there's so much bad
taste left by the ticket prices

730
00:28:46,405 --> 00:28:49,045
and all these visa exclusions.

731
00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:51,865
It's, gonna be a hard one
to get over this time.

732
00:28:51,865 --> 00:28:52,435
I think

733
00:28:52,952 --> 00:28:53,736
who's, getting it next?

734
00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:56,456
so 2030 is a real mishmash.

735
00:28:56,456 --> 00:29:02,306
It's Portugal, Spain, Morocco, and some
centenary matches in South America.

736
00:29:02,426 --> 00:29:02,756
Okay.

737
00:29:03,026 --> 00:29:08,216
Which had the advantage of basically
meaning that Europe, Africa, and South

738
00:29:08,216 --> 00:29:14,636
America were outta contention for the 2034
World Cup on basis of the rotation system.

739
00:29:14,636 --> 00:29:17,846
You're not suggesting, so
some kind of grubby fix up.

740
00:29:18,326 --> 00:29:22,076
Then luckily Saudi Arabia
stepped forward, for the

741
00:29:22,354 --> 00:29:22,736
Wow

742
00:29:22,766 --> 00:29:24,026
2034 World Cup

743
00:29:24,026 --> 00:29:27,206
and we should just congratulate the
Saudi Public Investment Fund once again.

744
00:29:27,326 --> 00:29:27,746
Yes.

745
00:29:27,746 --> 00:29:29,486
For their hearty investment.

746
00:29:31,768 --> 00:29:35,458
So there's a by-election coming up
in Maker Field and it seems like the

747
00:29:35,458 --> 00:29:38,968
Daily Mail might have started something
that it can't quite control Adam.

748
00:29:39,193 --> 00:29:39,353
yeah.

749
00:29:39,353 --> 00:29:43,403
No, the, situation is that the latest,
the latest polls in, in, in Manfield show

750
00:29:43,403 --> 00:29:45,293
that it's it's basically a two horse race.

751
00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:48,713
it's, Andy Burnham's labour
as opposed to new labour.

752
00:29:48,713 --> 00:29:52,073
That's what they're now called Andy
Burnham's Labour, versus, versus Nigel

753
00:29:52,177 --> 00:29:57,143
Farage's, reform but Restore are coming
right in there on polling, five to 8%

754
00:29:57,143 --> 00:30:00,953
in the polls, which is not gonna be
enough to, get their candidate in his

755
00:30:00,953 --> 00:30:04,943
mp, but it is potentially gonna split
that vote on the right to take votes

756
00:30:04,943 --> 00:30:09,773
away from Nigel Farage and, and, let Andy
Burnham win by an even larger margin.

757
00:30:09,773 --> 00:30:12,113
We dunno what's gonna happen, definitely
yet, but that's, what the polls

758
00:30:12,113 --> 00:30:13,163
are showing at time of recording.

759
00:30:13,253 --> 00:30:13,433
Yeah.

760
00:30:13,643 --> 00:30:17,603
And now this is worrying a lot of people
who, specifically I'm gonna come down to

761
00:30:17,603 --> 00:30:21,473
the, the, Daily Mail, who after years of
serve, telling readers the country's being

762
00:30:21,473 --> 00:30:24,053
swamped by immigrants and, and, wokeness.

763
00:30:24,053 --> 00:30:28,433
And what's really needed is a return to
firm hard line conservative values, as

764
00:30:28,433 --> 00:30:30,953
suddenly surprised, fun, actually, the
people might have been listening and they,

765
00:30:30,953 --> 00:30:33,623
might actually wanna vote for that kind
of thing as represented by Rupert Lowe.

766
00:30:34,643 --> 00:30:37,493
there's been the most extraordinary
coverage over the, last few

767
00:30:37,493 --> 00:30:38,393
days of time of recording.

768
00:30:38,623 --> 00:30:40,633
they've basically noticed something
that private eye's been pointing

769
00:30:40,633 --> 00:30:43,633
out about Rupert Lowe and his
outfit and his acolytes for a while,

770
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:46,543
which is quite a lot of 'em are
quite unpleasant, racist people.

771
00:30:48,417 --> 00:30:52,437
the email on Sunday Splash last weekend
was, restore activists at White, white

772
00:30:52,437 --> 00:30:56,817
Supremacy Summit, reporting that, what
they described as a hardened neo-Nazi

773
00:30:56,817 --> 00:31:01,437
was campaigning for restore in, maker
afield, also a neofascist and ethnic

774
00:31:01,437 --> 00:31:05,667
cleansing extremist, someone who, not
only wants mass deportations, which

775
00:31:05,967 --> 00:31:09,027
is, Rupert Lowe's policy anyway, but,
that to include all Jewish people

776
00:31:09,087 --> 00:31:10,587
as well, or an awful lot of Jewish

777
00:31:10,587 --> 00:31:10,947
people.

778
00:31:10,947 --> 00:31:11,127
Oh, fashion.

779
00:31:11,127 --> 00:31:12,477
Nice to see return to traditional,

780
00:31:12,927 --> 00:31:15,177
old, school neo-Nazis,
these people, old Nazis.

781
00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:16,797
You might, we could probably
take the neo off, couldn't we?

782
00:31:18,237 --> 00:31:18,717
yeah.

783
00:31:18,847 --> 00:31:21,907
restores, spokesman told the male
on Sunday that this was totally

784
00:31:21,907 --> 00:31:25,267
irrelevant and the hit piece,
it was undoubtedly a hit piece.

785
00:31:25,297 --> 00:31:25,387
Yeah.

786
00:31:25,867 --> 00:31:28,237
but I would question
the total I rece of it.

787
00:31:28,237 --> 00:31:30,337
So a lot of this seems,
quite relevant to me.

788
00:31:30,337 --> 00:31:32,497
I might, well to, to,
to male readers as well.

789
00:31:32,767 --> 00:31:34,087
But, it didn't stop there.

790
00:31:34,137 --> 00:31:36,627
there was an editorial right in the
middle of the story, which was quite an

791
00:31:36,627 --> 00:31:39,237
unusual thing in the mail and where they
actually kinda box out an editorial,

792
00:31:39,237 --> 00:31:40,257
whack it right in the middle of the story.

793
00:31:40,377 --> 00:31:40,437
Yeah.

794
00:31:40,437 --> 00:31:44,697
Said how can any reasonable person vote
for Restore in Thursday's by-election?

795
00:31:44,877 --> 00:31:49,047
And especially how can anyone
support Restore when doing so?

796
00:31:49,047 --> 00:31:50,787
Who can help propel the labour left?

797
00:31:50,937 --> 00:31:51,297
Great.

798
00:31:51,297 --> 00:31:53,517
Red Hope Andy Burnham into Downing Street.

799
00:31:53,727 --> 00:31:54,147
So it's kind.

800
00:31:54,147 --> 00:31:54,267
Yeah.

801
00:31:54,267 --> 00:31:56,637
We've told you there neo-Nazis
and fascists, but actually the

802
00:31:56,637 --> 00:32:00,477
real worry here is getting Andy,
Burnman again as the relevancy kind

803
00:32:00,477 --> 00:32:01,947
of issue here, I would suggest.

804
00:32:01,947 --> 00:32:07,317
So is it, that the papers have
been flirting very heavily with,

805
00:32:07,322 --> 00:32:11,637
Farage and with Reform UK And now
they think their readers have gone

806
00:32:11,637 --> 00:32:12,957
too far or taken this to heart

807
00:32:13,047 --> 00:32:13,497
essentially.

808
00:32:13,497 --> 00:32:14,037
I think that's it.

809
00:32:14,037 --> 00:32:18,057
We talked about this before about, the
slight irrelevancy anyway of newspaper

810
00:32:18,357 --> 00:32:22,887
endorsements for political parties, but
in this day and age, but the, both the,

811
00:32:23,097 --> 00:32:27,267
the male and the Telegraph even more so
have been moving very far, further to the

812
00:32:27,267 --> 00:32:30,987
right Notori party and kind of lionising
Nigel Farage for quite a while now.

813
00:32:30,987 --> 00:32:34,437
Helped by the fact that he, turns
out reams of copy for them and lots

814
00:32:34,437 --> 00:32:38,007
of op-eds, for, both of those papers
and anyone else that will have him.

815
00:32:39,357 --> 00:32:42,297
the mail is now in a really, odd
position where they've convinced

816
00:32:42,297 --> 00:32:46,227
themselves that what has to be done is
to unite the right as they're calling.

817
00:32:46,557 --> 00:32:48,507
they, actually have that as one
of their little stamps that they

818
00:32:48,507 --> 00:32:51,432
put on stories unite the what like
now seems to have turned into in

819
00:32:51,432 --> 00:32:52,752
Charlottesville, but not those ones.

820
00:32:54,302 --> 00:32:54,592
Okay.

821
00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:55,197
Okay.

822
00:32:55,202 --> 00:32:55,232
Yeah.

823
00:32:55,587 --> 00:32:59,622
and they, think the answer to all this
is that Bay Knock and Nigel Raj should,

824
00:33:00,072 --> 00:33:03,792
form a great marriage of convenience and
everything we want actually bizarrely

825
00:33:03,942 --> 00:33:07,422
described by Sarai Vine, male and male
on Sunday columnist last weekend as

826
00:33:07,782 --> 00:33:12,372
turning them into the John Travolta and
Olivia Newton John of British politics,

827
00:33:12,402 --> 00:33:14,742
if you can imagine such an image.

828
00:33:16,002 --> 00:33:16,452
there you go.

829
00:33:16,452 --> 00:33:20,022
But yes, this is something, hell,
how, honestly likely do you think

830
00:33:20,022 --> 00:33:21,462
a pact between the two of them is,

831
00:33:21,552 --> 00:33:25,632
I'm still so stuck on Olivia
Newton John and which one of

832
00:33:25,632 --> 00:33:26,472
them has got the Hairpiece?

833
00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:32,709
Kelly Ock spoke to Tim Shipman as the
Spectator and he said, she's, she know

834
00:33:32,709 --> 00:33:33,999
she's wavering, she's not ruling out.

835
00:33:34,059 --> 00:33:36,339
She sub came out and
said, no, I really do.

836
00:33:36,339 --> 00:33:37,809
I really absolutely do.

837
00:33:38,229 --> 00:33:41,079
So they have the exact same problem
as if you remember the kind of

838
00:33:41,109 --> 00:33:46,239
labour SMP stuff in 2015 that they,
voters don't want to hear that vote

839
00:33:46,239 --> 00:33:47,889
someone and you get someone else.

840
00:33:47,979 --> 00:33:48,039
Yeah.

841
00:33:48,429 --> 00:33:52,299
What I see that mail thing is a
classic pre-election squeeze message.

842
00:33:52,569 --> 00:33:56,019
So from the point of view of the mail,
whether you're supporting, reform or the

843
00:33:56,019 --> 00:34:00,219
Tories, what you most want to happen is
you wanna max out the vote as it was,

844
00:34:00,219 --> 00:34:05,709
reform a vote now, and get the Reform MP
defeat Andy Burnham humiliation for him.

845
00:34:05,709 --> 00:34:06,939
He's knocked out labour.

846
00:34:06,939 --> 00:34:10,389
Then have to either continue an
unpopular Prime Minister and Stama or

847
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:13,479
have some kind of leadership contest
with other people who were also

848
00:34:13,929 --> 00:34:18,429
stagger on Limp on, and then the Great
victory in 2028 is won by the right.

849
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,019
That's their kind of game plan.

850
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,259
What they absolutely don't want is
restore to come and nibble a huge

851
00:34:23,259 --> 00:34:25,119
chunk out the side of, reform.

852
00:34:25,179 --> 00:34:25,299
Yeah.

853
00:34:25,509 --> 00:34:28,839
Get lay anti Burnham and then the
terrible fear, not that he's too

854
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:30,759
left wing, but that he's good.

855
00:34:32,584 --> 00:34:35,979
and people like it, that, and then,
and therefore they reelect a labour

856
00:34:35,979 --> 00:34:37,599
government again at the next election.

857
00:34:38,697 --> 00:34:42,657
I think it's gonna be, this is a preview
of, lots of stuff that's gonna happen in

858
00:34:42,657 --> 00:34:46,257
the next general election, which is that
you are just gonna have lots and lots

859
00:34:46,257 --> 00:34:50,247
of squeeze messages and every race will
be tried to, people will try and get it

860
00:34:50,247 --> 00:34:52,017
down to such and such can't win here.

861
00:34:52,587 --> 00:34:54,057
That's gonna be quite
complicated in lot of seats.

862
00:34:54,057 --> 00:34:56,847
It's not in this one, and it wasn't
in Gorton and Denton as it turned out.

863
00:34:57,537 --> 00:35:02,727
What seems quite clear is that the, papers
are becoming much less relevant in this.

864
00:35:02,877 --> 00:35:06,987
the whole restore phenomenon
is down to Rupert Lowe's.

865
00:35:06,987 --> 00:35:11,937
Extremely high popularity on all kinds
of social media to a certain extent.

866
00:35:12,567 --> 00:35:16,557
Twitter, where he's, he's
backed by Musk very heavily

867
00:35:16,737 --> 00:35:18,417
and gets an enormous income
from Twitter as well.

868
00:35:18,417 --> 00:35:18,537
He

869
00:35:18,537 --> 00:35:18,897
gets big

870
00:35:18,897 --> 00:35:20,337
income, his money from that in a big way.

871
00:35:20,337 --> 00:35:21,567
Tens of thousands of pounds every year.

872
00:35:21,687 --> 00:35:24,687
But we've been told for a couple
of years that Nigel Farage, and

873
00:35:24,777 --> 00:35:27,327
more recently Zach Polanski, are
extremely good on social media.

874
00:35:27,327 --> 00:35:27,717
Actually.

875
00:35:27,717 --> 00:35:32,577
Rupert Lowe has, has been, surprisingly
in places like Facebook and it's

876
00:35:32,577 --> 00:35:35,247
where he's been pitching himself much
softer than a lot of the rhetoric,

877
00:35:35,247 --> 00:35:38,577
and a lot of his far right supporters
would have you believe he's presented

878
00:35:38,577 --> 00:35:39,747
as a kind of country squire.

879
00:35:40,017 --> 00:35:40,917
He has a farm.

880
00:35:41,007 --> 00:35:43,977
There are lots of interest of
him, with his animals on the farm.

881
00:35:44,907 --> 00:35:48,597
I think that's very telling when you read
the, Daily Mail copy about Tommy Robinson.

882
00:35:48,597 --> 00:35:52,017
So the backstory to this is that
Tommy Robinson went to Moscow via

883
00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:55,917
Turkey, where he hung out with
Errol Musk, who is Elon Musk,

884
00:35:56,097 --> 00:35:57,327
the even more racist musk.

885
00:36:00,267 --> 00:36:02,127
very rum father.

886
00:36:02,997 --> 00:36:06,447
and from there was as ever
interfering in British politics.

887
00:36:06,447 --> 00:36:09,447
When he came back, he was detained at
the airport in question for, on the basis

888
00:36:09,447 --> 00:36:15,417
that, we are essentially at war with
Russia through Ukraine and the, editorial,

889
00:36:15,417 --> 00:36:19,077
the Daily Mail that wrote against, who
would let this manage their party ni

890
00:36:19,107 --> 00:36:21,057
like Nigel Ra has always had a red line.

891
00:36:21,177 --> 00:36:23,217
if you're ever a member of the
bmp, you're not in my party.

892
00:36:23,217 --> 00:36:25,107
I'll not let Tommy Robinson in my party.

893
00:36:25,117 --> 00:36:28,077
Which is what Precipitators
falling out with Elon Musk.

894
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:32,457
But Rupert Lowe did this magnificent thing
where he's I'm anyone's welcome to join.

895
00:36:32,577 --> 00:36:34,497
I'm not in charge of who joins my party.

896
00:36:35,307 --> 00:36:35,577
what?

897
00:36:35,577 --> 00:36:36,207
Of course you are.

898
00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:37,917
Like, it's, that's not how parties work.

899
00:36:38,337 --> 00:36:41,337
But anyway, they had the essential
line of that Daily Mail article was

900
00:36:41,517 --> 00:36:45,267
he's a petty mortgage fraudster and a
yobo and what was the word they used?

901
00:36:45,267 --> 00:36:45,507
I don the

902
00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:49,047
phrase they used was a 'bigoted
and deeply sinister hoodlum'.

903
00:36:49,162 --> 00:36:49,642
A hoodlum!

904
00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:50,697
Which, a hoodlum.

905
00:36:50,697 --> 00:36:50,997
Yes.

906
00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:51,627
it's thuggery.

907
00:36:52,227 --> 00:36:54,477
it's, definitely a kind of class
orientated thing that he's the

908
00:36:54,477 --> 00:37:00,117
unacceptable face of, of, yery and
extreme, whiteness, which, Rupert

909
00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:02,127
Low, which is basically landed gentry.

910
00:37:02,127 --> 00:37:05,927
He's got a 550 acre estate in,
Gloucestershire with an awful lot

911
00:37:05,927 --> 00:37:08,837
of bonds he's trying to convert for
to, into very, expensive houses.

912
00:37:09,677 --> 00:37:10,367
Huge shepherd's huts.

913
00:37:10,457 --> 00:37:10,697
Yeah.

914
00:37:11,147 --> 00:37:11,777
Bigger than Shepherd Hut.

915
00:37:12,137 --> 00:37:12,407
Very

916
00:37:12,407 --> 00:37:14,632
700,000 pound shepherd's huts.

917
00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:17,177
so he's much more to,
to, to the Daily Mail.

918
00:37:17,177 --> 00:37:20,027
I think, he's, he'd always
been seen as more accept.

919
00:37:21,287 --> 00:37:22,217
he, was reform mp.

920
00:37:22,217 --> 00:37:24,407
They certainly never objected
to him at that, point.

921
00:37:24,407 --> 00:37:26,897
But, yeah, I did think that
was really, interesting.

922
00:37:26,897 --> 00:37:29,327
The other thing that I thought was really
interesting, 'cause this continued into

923
00:37:29,327 --> 00:37:32,387
Monday's Daily Mail, with, we had another
front page splash, which just said,

924
00:37:32,387 --> 00:37:34,607
restore is the new home for neo-Nazis.

925
00:37:34,697 --> 00:37:37,667
Brilliant unequivocal there, which
was based on this, Rupert Low

926
00:37:37,667 --> 00:37:39,797
saying, and Tommy Sso was welcome
to join the party if you wanted.

927
00:37:40,817 --> 00:37:45,287
they ran another, it was a very
odd piece because it read like an

928
00:37:45,287 --> 00:37:48,917
op-ed, it read like a, an editorial
line that columnists would take.

929
00:37:49,577 --> 00:37:54,497
they, it, conclude It was, basically
a, kind of portrait of, of Tommy

930
00:37:54,497 --> 00:37:57,167
Robinson and his, past career in
always criminal convictions and things.

931
00:37:57,767 --> 00:38:03,167
but it ended with, the words 'anyone
on British soil with eyes in their head

932
00:38:03,167 --> 00:38:06,467
and more than a couple of brain cells to
rub together, can see him for the toxic

933
00:38:06,557 --> 00:38:09,317
hate fueled rabble rouser that he is'.

934
00:38:09,617 --> 00:38:10,667
No sort of messing around there.

935
00:38:11,087 --> 00:38:12,017
But it was unsigned.

936
00:38:12,017 --> 00:38:12,587
It was bizarre.

937
00:38:12,587 --> 00:38:13,547
It seemed like an opinion piece.

938
00:38:13,547 --> 00:38:16,487
And it literally, the byline at the top
of the page read 'Daily Mail Reporter',

939
00:38:17,177 --> 00:38:20,717
which is very odd, I can only think of
there's, two possible reasons for this.

940
00:38:20,717 --> 00:38:23,867
One is that Tommy Robinson and his
supporters tend to go after people

941
00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:24,857
who displeased him in the media.

942
00:38:24,857 --> 00:38:26,140
cause he's a charming man like that.

943
00:38:26,444 --> 00:38:28,454
so it's possible they're just
trying to protect their jo.

944
00:38:28,634 --> 00:38:31,874
we've talked before about how there
is a, non-existent journalist on the

945
00:38:31,874 --> 00:38:35,354
mail online called Melody Fletcher, who
essentially does all of their reports

946
00:38:35,354 --> 00:38:37,004
on people like Taylor Swift and Money.

947
00:38:37,004 --> 00:38:40,604
Millie, Bobby Brown and looking
old have these very, that's

948
00:38:40,604 --> 00:38:41,324
what they said about it.

949
00:38:41,324 --> 00:38:42,489
We just say, that's not what we're saying.

950
00:38:42,889 --> 00:38:45,044
No, I'm just saying the Daily Mail

951
00:38:45,044 --> 00:38:48,284
that basically people who have a kind
of rabid online fan base who they

952
00:38:48,284 --> 00:38:51,224
know will told individual journalists
on social media and come after.

953
00:38:51,224 --> 00:38:53,024
So they did, put this fake byline on it.

954
00:38:53,414 --> 00:38:54,764
But, yeah.

955
00:38:54,764 --> 00:38:57,264
So if it's possible, it was that,
but I wonder what sort of backlash

956
00:38:57,264 --> 00:39:00,234
they got on the Sunday from their
readers and whether they're actually

957
00:39:00,234 --> 00:39:01,584
worried about or not their readers.

958
00:39:02,418 --> 00:39:05,868
Presumably, or amongst those five
to 8% of people in Manfield and

959
00:39:05,868 --> 00:39:09,618
elsewhere who are thinking maybe,
Rupert Lowe is the way forward.

960
00:39:09,828 --> 00:39:12,318
There is an, there is another
interesting element, which is that,

961
00:39:13,158 --> 00:39:16,938
restore seems to be doing quite well
among women and they are promoting

962
00:39:16,938 --> 00:39:20,568
themselves very heavily without, we
want to protect British women and girls.

963
00:39:21,018 --> 00:39:25,758
The subtext is pretty clear, from foreign
invaders, basically from being assaulted

964
00:39:25,758 --> 00:39:29,838
by foreigners and Reform have been pushing
that very hard at their own conferences.

965
00:39:29,838 --> 00:39:35,478
But I think, reform's candidate, with
his long record of Sexist comments

966
00:39:35,718 --> 00:39:40,218
has, has put women off quite a bit
restorer saying, look, we've got a,

967
00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:44,598
our candidate's a woman, she's called
Rebecca Shepherd, and we'll do the

968
00:39:44,598 --> 00:39:46,188
thing to pr to protect British women.

969
00:39:46,188 --> 00:39:47,388
So I think that might be another,

970
00:39:47,388 --> 00:39:49,848
I should say as well, Rupert Lowe has
made that absolutely his specialism.

971
00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:51,983
And ironically, I'm now talking
over a woman, so I'm gonna stop.

972
00:39:52,003 --> 00:39:52,223
And

973
00:39:53,903 --> 00:39:57,738
I was gonna say, the irony is that
Carol Borman then wrote a letter to

974
00:39:57,738 --> 00:40:03,018
all the constituents, telling them
that, Robert Kenyon was actually really

975
00:40:03,018 --> 00:40:06,558
misogynistic and pointing out some
of his past comments and saying, do

976
00:40:06,558 --> 00:40:08,088
you want a sexist to represent you?

977
00:40:08,088 --> 00:40:14,028
So she's boosted restores vote Among
women who've gone, no, you're right Carol.

978
00:40:14,058 --> 00:40:15,798
I'm gonna vote for that Restore woman.

979
00:40:15,798 --> 00:40:19,068
She's a nice 53-year-old
businesswoman that lives locally and

980
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:19,368
Right.

981
00:40:19,578 --> 00:40:19,968
Yeah.

982
00:40:20,458 --> 00:40:24,298
ripple Low is very much made that
his kind of cause, called Celebra, I

983
00:40:24,298 --> 00:40:25,438
guess in a way is the grooming gangs.

984
00:40:25,438 --> 00:40:28,048
He's run his own supposed
independent inquiry Yeah.

985
00:40:28,378 --> 00:40:31,588
Into, all of that, which I think
is, due to report any imminently.

986
00:40:31,828 --> 00:40:33,301
yeah, he's made that very much his issue.

987
00:40:33,321 --> 00:40:36,261
At the same time that Nigel Farage
and others have been very nice

988
00:40:36,261 --> 00:40:40,082
about Andrew  Tate, who as far as
I can see are mixed race Muslims

989
00:40:40,082 --> 00:40:41,280
accused of running agreement gang.

990
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:45,120
Some are saying that maybe they're, they
have some double standards in operations.

991
00:40:45,635 --> 00:40:45,795
yeah.

992
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:47,760
Should say that Andrew Tate
has denied all charges.

993
00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:48,240
Thank

994
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:48,330
you.

995
00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:52,860
We should note as well that all of this
has very visibly and, obviously pushed

996
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:54,300
Nigel Farage further to the right.

997
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,150
a lot of the comments recently, the,
pure cold anger after the trial of

998
00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:04,280
the killer of, Henry Novak and, the
essay that he wrote over the weekend.

999
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:04,430
Yeah.

1000
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:07,820
He's got a substack now in which
he wrote a piece and it used very,

1001
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:12,350
MAGA type language about DEI and
the, his big campaign is now against

1002
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,410
the Equality Act, basically saying
that there is anti-white bias.

1003
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:15,680
Right.

1004
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:16,610
And you hear it a lot.

1005
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:20,900
and it was, the Noack case was really
interesting because, he wasn't,

1006
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:22,400
he was a Polish extraction, right?

1007
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,530
It couldn't be framed in the way
that Nigel Farge would normally

1008
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:27,740
frame it, which is about, like
this, about British identity that's,

1009
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,780
under threat from minority groups.

1010
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:35,090
It then transmuted from that
into white and white European

1011
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:36,080
values are under threat.

1012
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,470
I, think this is also a response
to the fact that immigration

1013
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,090
has dropped like a stone.

1014
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:43,850
So I think the latest net
figures, it's down by about half.

1015
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:46,820
And that's not because of
British nationals leaving.

1016
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:50,870
That's because of many fewer
non-EU nationals arriving.

1017
00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:54,200
it's due to many fewer people who
are studying, bringing their families

1018
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,250
with them, this kind of thing.

1019
00:41:55,460 --> 00:42:02,120
So immigration's salience has dropped, and
I think the focus is now moving in an even

1020
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:06,260
more unpleasant way to people of different
skin colour who are already here, which

1021
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:09,260
is what's driven a lot of restores saying,
we're gonna just kick out millions of

1022
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:11,330
people, many of whom will legally be here.

1023
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,080
And yeah, I, guess you're right in
the sense of the inflow, and actually

1024
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,020
this, we seem to have had some
success with the French in stopping

1025
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:19,010
or not stopping the small boat.

1026
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,790
Small boat crossings are down
40% year on year, 40% in, a year.

1027
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:23,600
That's pretty good.

1028
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:26,150
But the issue that you do have is
obviously that, that we are now coming off

1029
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:28,880
the several years of, record immigration.

1030
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:28,970
Yeah.

1031
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,920
So there will be people
still in the country.

1032
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:34,460
And the other big, focus that seems
to be now is about social housing.

1033
00:42:35,116 --> 00:42:37,936
I really understand it because it is
incredibly unfair that some people

1034
00:42:37,936 --> 00:42:42,346
essentially get a golden ticket and
get to live in central London for 650

1035
00:42:42,346 --> 00:42:43,696
quid a month or whatever it might be.

1036
00:42:44,146 --> 00:42:47,926
That is a, it's something that successive
governments have failed to address.

1037
00:42:47,926 --> 00:42:50,176
The fact that housing is
too much for young people.

1038
00:42:50,566 --> 00:42:52,876
But what's clearly happening
is that reform and restore and

1039
00:42:52,876 --> 00:42:55,756
their kind of online outriders
are turning that into a classic.

1040
00:42:56,176 --> 00:42:59,086
And because it's, all gone
to foreigners essentially.

1041
00:42:59,581 --> 00:43:02,791
that, when in London where you do have a
lot of foreign born heads of household.

1042
00:43:02,791 --> 00:43:05,401
That is, I think that is a, I think
that is a message that could resonate

1043
00:43:05,401 --> 00:43:08,851
with young people because you're talking
about Restore and Facebook that is

1044
00:43:08,851 --> 00:43:11,041
essentially targeting people 65 and over.

1045
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:11,101
Yeah.

1046
00:43:11,701 --> 00:43:15,331
There's an attempt to find a message
that will resonate with Nick 30 ons,

1047
00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:17,101
if the, online jargon about this.

1048
00:43:17,101 --> 00:43:20,731
But essentially, young people who
feel locked outta opportunities

1049
00:43:21,151 --> 00:43:24,331
when we, at the moment we have a,
younger generation who are much more

1050
00:43:24,331 --> 00:43:25,591
likely to be voting green, right?

1051
00:43:25,591 --> 00:43:27,541
If they're looking at labour and
thinking there's something wrong

1052
00:43:27,541 --> 00:43:30,301
with them, that they're going to the
left rather than to the right of them

1053
00:43:30,851 --> 00:43:33,161
so we're not gonna predict the
outcome of the by-election, but I

1054
00:43:33,161 --> 00:43:36,671
believe there is going to be maybe
a special episode soon afterwards.

1055
00:43:36,671 --> 00:43:38,681
Maybe a bonus episode
of this very podcast.

1056
00:43:38,681 --> 00:43:39,101
Is that right?

1057
00:43:39,101 --> 00:43:39,191
It's

1058
00:43:39,191 --> 00:43:40,331
not promising anything.

1059
00:43:40,361 --> 00:43:40,721
Okay.

1060
00:43:40,721 --> 00:43:40,811
But,

1061
00:43:41,081 --> 00:43:41,681
could happen.

1062
00:43:42,011 --> 00:43:43,001
Could be an emergency,

1063
00:43:43,091 --> 00:43:44,291
an emergency podcast.

1064
00:43:44,501 --> 00:43:44,981
There is no

1065
00:43:44,981 --> 00:43:45,551
such thing.

1066
00:43:46,836 --> 00:43:47,231
It's an emergency.

1067
00:43:47,231 --> 00:43:47,441
No

1068
00:43:47,441 --> 00:43:50,321
emergency has ever occurred
to which a podcast is the

1069
00:43:50,321 --> 00:43:50,951
solution.

1070
00:43:51,761 --> 00:43:52,511
No, quite right.

1071
00:43:52,511 --> 00:43:56,201
But there is an emergency issue
of Private Eye on News stands

1072
00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:58,091
right now, as there always is.

1073
00:43:58,091 --> 00:44:00,701
So if you'd like it, you could just
go into your local news agent or

1074
00:44:00,701 --> 00:44:04,301
supermarket and get a copy of the
magazine you can also get a subscription

1075
00:44:04,301 --> 00:44:07,511
to the magazine@privatehypheni.co.uk.

1076
00:44:07,511 --> 00:44:10,331
Subscriptions are unbelievably
reasonably priced.

1077
00:44:10,331 --> 00:44:14,261
A single issue of the magazine will
set you back far less, than a month

1078
00:44:14,321 --> 00:44:16,841
of cage fighting on the White House
lawn or whatever it is you were

1079
00:44:16,841 --> 00:44:19,096
saying, Helen So that's it for today.

1080
00:44:19,276 --> 00:44:20,866
Thank you very much to
all of you for listening.

1081
00:44:20,866 --> 00:44:24,766
Thank you to Helen, Adam,
and Sarai for participating.

1082
00:44:25,276 --> 00:44:27,436
and thank you to Matt Hill of
Rethink Audio for producing.

1083
00:44:27,526 --> 00:44:27,976
Bye for now.