[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another baseball America fantasy podcast is your host Jeff Ponce.

[SPEAKER_00]: Alongside me this week is Ian Cundall stepping in for Dylan White.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been busy mastering the Robo scout and getting all those articles out to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lot of good stuff in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of good data that we've been digging on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the model is fully cranked up with all the stat cast out of behind it as well, which is obviously a big separator.

[SPEAKER_00]: So go and check those articles out.

[SPEAKER_00]: They typically come out on Sunday afternoons early evenings before your fab gets running.

[SPEAKER_00]: So consult those before you throw in a couple of bids.

[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly do all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: lot of big stuff going on in the baseball world.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to talk about some complex league standouts, some guys that are still there, but are probably pushing toward a promotion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Other players that have been promoted over the last week, a lot of interesting names before we get into that, we had a really

[SPEAKER_00]: unusual proposal, and I have a feeling that we're going to have a lot of weird stuff suggested over the next several months with these ongoing CBA negotiations between the owners and the MLBPA.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yesterday, the proposal from the owners side of things from MLB was once again chopping

[SPEAKER_00]: And it would eliminate all high school players.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I want to throw this out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is not something that I think for a lot of us that are in the game, having these discussions, particularly on the amateur side, which would the jump over to college, baseball coverage this year, I've been a little bit more ingrained in than I had probably since any periods since 2021, 2022.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been hearing elements of this plan

[SPEAKER_00]: kind of spoken about by front office people for a few years now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you have, too, I don't know if this comes to fruition or not, but it certainly seems like something that is on the road map for MLB of eliminating high school players from the draft and sending them all to college for development.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think when you, the idea, the idealistic perspective on this is that, well, they'll go to college, college baseball is better equipped than ever before to develop these players, you know, um, there's more money in college baseball, there's opportunities for these guys to make money in N-I-L from the moment they step on to campus, etc, etc.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, particularly

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no leveling up in college baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you start in, you know, the big south and then you work your way to the big 10 and then you work your way to the SEC or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to level up every year in terms of quality of competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to say that in some of these smaller conferences we've seen it throughout the tournament.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these teams have good pitching staffs, better pitching staffs and some of the power five is given on the given day that you're going to get that team.

[SPEAKER_00]: I look at a player like Dylan Cruz and I always think to myself, Ian, if Dylan Cruz is able to leave college after his freshman year, Tommy White, Seth Beer, different talents, obviously those three guys, are they better if they're put into a pro development environment and are challenged by facing better competition leveling up, more focused work that's less focused

[SPEAKER_00]: winning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that's the big difference between college baseball and minor league baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one really, I mean, there's some folks in the fans, the stands at Worcester that definitely care if the Wu socks win, but the vast majority are there to eat hot dogs, drink a couple of cold beers, hang out with their kids on a summer night.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not there, you know, living and dying on every pitch, you know, like they might be 40 miles east of Fenway Park.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not the same thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some good and some bad with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: With the position side of things, I think there's a lot of bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to revamp a guy's swing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not necessarily going to ride with a really talented player who's having some swimming miss issues.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about a player like James Wood.

[SPEAKER_00]: If a guy like James Wood gets onto campus, there's a chance that he just blows up, takes off, we saw it with Jojo Parker's twin brother, this year, Jacob Parker with Mississippi State, who's now on the Cape of Chatham.

[SPEAKER_00]: unbelievable freshman season, really adjusted immediately to the college game and to the highest level on the SEC.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what if you don't?

[SPEAKER_00]: We see other guys, you know, Carter Brumba is one from Arkansas who's now in the portal, forget where he transferred to.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a guy where he gets to campus, doesn't earn playing time despite being a heavily

[SPEAKER_00]: recruited and scouted player, a guy that had pro opportunities last year, even a guy like Diego Velasquez, who was with USC.

[SPEAKER_00]: Diego Velasquez was a top 100 player in the draft as a shortstop.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gets the campus at USC plays a little bit of shortstop, mostly as a defensive replacement in the late innings.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a pitcher now, primarily, and has committed to, I believe,

[SPEAKER_00]: The way the college game works and so much of it is focused on winning baseball games and what's going to allow you to do that because a coach's job isn't based upon how many big leaders or how many first round draft picks he gets.

[SPEAKER_00]: more often than not, that job is really dependent upon how we almost every time.

[SPEAKER_00]: How many baseball games you went?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's probably a few schools and like the higher level mid-major range where there's a development focus.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think ECU's one that's done a really good job of that if you look at some of the pictures that have come through that program over the years.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really hard to balance development and winning with these players and I just don't think that it works.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, on the pitching side, I've always said this, I think going to college is of great value in because there are certain things that you cannot replicate in the minor leagues.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the minor leagues for a hitter, you can replicate facing a really good pitching staff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can face starters on rehab, you know, that are big league guys that have one sionks.

[SPEAKER_00]: We, you know, I've seen in the last year, Max Scherzer, you know, uh, Garrett Cole, um, uh, like, drawing a blank now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw another.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, Carlos Rdong, Shane Bieber.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shane Beaver, like we've seen all of these guys in minor league games over the last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So those batters are getting an opportunity to face a real big league arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And some of the guys they faced in the minor leagues, if you were in double A, beginning of the season last year, you might have faced Nola McLean.

[SPEAKER_00]: You might have faced triusavage if you were in double A and junior July, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So, but when it comes to pictures, it's really hard to replicate a good lineup in a pressure environment where I think with how hot the bats are and how

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, contact plays in college baseball plus the pressure environments when you're on the road and have to get a big out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was an element that you cannot replicate in the minor leagues that you can in college baseball that you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely have to deal with when you get to the big leagues, whether you're pitching in May or you're pitching in September or October that I do think a lot of that just in terms of getting through a lineup working through adversity dealing with, you know, the pressure of trying to get those outs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think college does a good job of that with a lot of pictures.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know if Jacob, Miss Yorowski, is Jacob, Miss Yorowski, if he doesn't sign with the brewers and ends up in the SEC or the ACC, if they may not know how to use him, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I think the options in the roadways need to exist in terms of prep guys and Jukego guys, younger guys getting into professional baseball because sometimes they're just a better development fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: for professional baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's the other issue to me is that right now, there's not enough colleges that are fully invested in the in the game of baseball right now to support the influx that would come with this proposal.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're talking about every high school or who gets drafted when now be going to college.

[SPEAKER_01]: And

[SPEAKER_01]: There are not enough teams that have 34 scholarships to support that type of those numbers.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it just would change a lot of the landscape of what we know about college baseball right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, as you said, I think with pictures, it wouldn't be as big a deal as hitters.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think an underrated aspect of that, too, is and maybe you know this better than I.

[SPEAKER_01]: How many do any college facilities have trajectory machines?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing, though.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're maybe maybe the top top.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they do I almost am a 100% positive that North Carolina has actually I know North Carolina has a trajectory.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so at least North Carolina.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's only going to be in.

[SPEAKER_00]: the SEC.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a handful of schools in the ACC because like here, we live near Boston College.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been an awesome that Boston College's program has taken the step forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: Join the ACC.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've been a much more competitive program where a top 25 team, you know, they were under Gambino and those kind of final couple of years with, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I bring that up, though, is because with hitters, like what you're talking about with the quality of competition, it's not just that you have acts you're facing better players when you're pro ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's that also.

[SPEAKER_01]: When guys want to hit didn't just go hit on their trajectory machine because a lot of teams now have them either at their spring training facilities or at a lot some we can have them in all their affiliates now and I think about like someone we were talking about recently Owen he basically went and hit on the trajectory machine I guess all winter and that's why he's turned around a guy we're going to talk about here is the same boat he spent all spring training hitting on a trajectory machine and has turned himself in from someone who wasn't on a top 30 list to start the season now he's going to be in stock at a system top 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: and access to something like that where you can replicate majorly quality pitching every single day and get hundreds of reps against it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like the kind of access you're not going to get at the college level.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think that it's just, I mean, and this is the thing, it's a proposal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to end up looking exact now.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that we've seen in these labor negotiations over and over again is that the MLBPA is very going to be probably

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I know they've come out very strongly against it, which they should because I mean, the guys who will be in the MLBPA, the ones who get hurt the most by this because they're going to get their salaries cut initially and they're also going to hit free agency later.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a double whammy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's great for MLB if this goes through as is.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you know, this is a pretty, is probably going to end up being one of their leverage points where they can be like, hey, we'll trade off some, you know, some bonus salaries for guys who aren't in the GA yet in order to get actual like benefits to players than the PA later.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it will be interesting to see how this develops because as you said, it has the chance of depending on how drastic it is to just transform basically how talent gets added to.

[SPEAKER_01]: and obviously that is a huge impact in fantasy because when you look and I don't know about you if you go to FYPDs people don't really want college guys they want the high upside high schoolers and if that's gone from FYPDs or from you know the fantasy landscape it's just going to completely reshape probably how you have to play in dynasty leagues.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah no I uh I think so I mean I can see it working the other way where all of a sudden you have

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, players who are moving faster, I think we've definitely seen that with like a higher-in college guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think a lot of our perspective on that has been a little jaded by how good the 23 and 24 classes are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there aren't a lot of Paul's beans, Nick Kurtz, et cetera, year after year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you look historically over the last 10 years,

[SPEAKER_00]: The track record isn't great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, like, paycheck and I did a podcast on this years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: But up until like the last couple of classes, it really hasn't been, there's been a lot more Christian Moore's than their Haco Berry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think you look at even Spencer Torklson, right, which was like this can't miss.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't prop, back then it took a long time and he's never, I mean, he's never really been more than mine, like I think what, yeah, 4550, I mean, first base, what, 15 to 25.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, 20, like exactly, you know, and then whatever you get guys like Vinnie Pasquantino who are equally or more valuable, who go several rounds later, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you drafts.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it's, it's a really interesting proposal, but that said, I think it kind of leads perfectly.

[SPEAKER_00]: into what we're going to talk about today, some of the players were going to dig into, who are all guys that could have been impacted in one way or another by some of these proposed changes, whether it's the increased age of signing in the international market, which I think might even be a bigger deal, because does it take away an international draft?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there some

[SPEAKER_00]: But the best players in our game are coming from the international market and from high school, more often than not, you know, and I mean the best college guys, the guy like Aaron Judge, who went to Fresno State.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like he was at an SEC school and went top five in the draft or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a bit of a prospect of a project even for the Yankees when he was drafted, so I think just putting all that into perspective.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, we're going to take a quick break when we come back.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got six or seven names from the complex that are making some noise that we're going to talk to you about.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be right back.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and we are back, baseball, America fantasy podcast, Jeff Ponds, Ian Cundall, Ian.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about some standouts on the complex.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guys that are really performing, I want to kick it over you and put you in the spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about a couple of red socks players here, a battery, so to speak, a catcher and a picture.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are guys that in your work, you've kind of gotten feedback that these could be the best hitter and the best position player and the best picture in the Florida complex league or very close to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Delzine, it's pretty clear.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's the best pitcher in the FCL.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's it's not exactly a bumper crew down there this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think a premier is right up there with someone else.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about a little later as the best position player.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the red socks.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously the major league season hasn't gone as they wanted, but their FCL team has has some really, really interesting players and there's it even goes deeper than these guys, you know, you got like Dorian Soto, Harold Davis, they got a bunch of guys, but the top two stand out so far have been frankly premier and sad deal delzine, premier is an 18 year old Venezuelan catcher, he.

[SPEAKER_01]: TV's aren't huge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, I think that's probably the limiting factor, but he does everything else really well.

[SPEAKER_01]: His contact rate is insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's really good approach really advanced, and when he does make contact, he can barrel it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not like they're terrible, like it's, you know, it's averageish EVs, and he's 18.

[SPEAKER_01]: Six foot, there's a little bit of projection in the body, though, he has definitely filled out considerably since signing in.

[SPEAKER_01]: So far this season, he's hitting

[SPEAKER_01]: 109 pleaded appearances with almost twice as many walks of strikeouts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, obviously catchers can sometimes take longer to develop, but Premier looks like one of those guys that if he's available even in 16 team league, I would I would be interested in rostering because I think there's a chance that this is one of those, you know, exceptions to the rule where you've got a catcher with a pat with a with a contact foundation to build on, but also as showing flashes

[SPEAKER_01]: And he also has the defensive backbone because, you know, in our in the prospect table last year, he's rated the Red Sox best defensive catcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that wasn't saying it's on the Red Sox catching depth was pretty bad heading into to the off season, but at the same time, you know, if you we've seen the bar catcher, if you can just be a fringy or even an average guy there and you can hit teams are going to find playing time with you for you and, uh,

[SPEAKER_01]: Premier looks like he has a chance to hit for average put on high on base and maybe even a tap into a little power eventually.

[SPEAKER_01]: He does have six home runs already this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Delzine is more of, I think, more of your typical projection play.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a six foot, six, 250 pound right hander who throws at 100 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_01]: and has several bad missing second areas.

[SPEAKER_01]: He sits in the mid 90s already, as I said, it's a huge frame.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a slider change up in the sweeper.

[SPEAKER_01]: they almost bats like this is I think this is you know obviously the track record with Latin pictures is not the best but delzine is kind of look he looks like an outlier size wise and I don't know what I like target pictures who are outliers and I think there's a chance that he could that's just what he could be he's he's got a 1.980 RA this year in 27 and a third

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going six plus innings, which in the FCL, which is on herd of, especially this season when the pitching on a lot of teams is awful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've seen some of these run totals.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think Delzine and Premier are two guys that, you know, when you're getting into deeper dynasty leaks, or are definitely buys for me right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I had, uh, I had grabbed Premier on your suggestion a couple of weeks ago on my 30

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looks like as he continues to just say scorching hot at the play the last couple of days to hits.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been one of those that I was like, I wish this guy was an outfielder because he'd be like a prime trade candidate.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone would be knocking down my board.

[SPEAKER_01]: But because that's the thing is because you catchers probably going to take longer for him to develop than maybe some of the other names were going to talk here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you know, if he gets up to the majors and is still catching that the payoff could be worth it because, I mean, the state of catching position right now is brutal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's one five or six guys who matter and then everything else is just you might as well take them up off waivers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've seen some guys like this over the last several years that pop in the complex, and then, you know, the feedback is like this, and then they continue to move up radio.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know a lot of read guys one certainly it was maybe a little bit more bat focused in the glove.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can point to like a Frank one, Alvarez, or for me, Francis, go Alvarez, my buddy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Francisco Alvarez when he was, you know, on the complex at that point was kind of similar feedback to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like, yeah, I think, well, Saul's was way different, because that was like spring training and just weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he could play the complex because he was straight to low.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think like Brasignio was one that kind of came to mind for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Samuel Bassayo was another, we're like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever happens in the DSL happens in DSL and it's so hard to kind of contextualize a lot of those numbers and those guys are so young.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a big level up year for these guys that come state side, they're working with the PD group at the main complex, et cetera, yada, yada, yada.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys can make a really big jump in a year and I think we kind of see one every year and they're typically your guys that kind of launch themselves into the top 100, it wouldn't be shocking if that happens with Primera.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, changing topics here and another player I wanted to talk about, really interesting one in Josh Owens of the Rangers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was a third round pick last year out of Tennessee prep, um, area.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we're talking about another high school guy here, two way player,

[SPEAKER_00]: I got really mixed feedback on Owens, the day the draft, and then kind of following.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some thought this was a really bad pick.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some weren't sure if the bat was ever going to hit if he was more of a pitcher and that he was fairly raw there.

[SPEAKER_00]: A year later, this looks like a great pick.

[SPEAKER_00]: and a hitter at so he only got 24 at bats last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just put that in perspective.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: He struck out an 11 of those at bats Ian.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little bit of a concern hit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Three, 083, 125.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's about as bad as you could be at the plate, only had three total bases, two hits over those 24 at bats.

[SPEAKER_00]: This year things have changed a little bit in 28 games.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's already got seven home runs.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's

[SPEAKER_00]: And the underlying data really is not bad in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there is significant swing and miss here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have a 25% in zone mystery on the complex.

[SPEAKER_00]: That tells me that this is at best the 40-hit tool, probably more like a 30.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, he's aggressive on pitches in the zone.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is absolutely above average or better power here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you look at some of the underlying data and the expected slash line is really not that far off from what is actual slash line is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the number that I kind of jump on here with him is a hitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: 10890th percentile EV.

[SPEAKER_00]: The average is a little lower A6.4.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the matter of like inconsistent contact from a young player that's learned to hit.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there is absolutely some power gold in that back.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, I don't know if he ends up as a short stop or as a position player or if he ends up as a pitcher.

[SPEAKER_00]: His stuff on the mound is also really, really interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Since 94 to 96 miles per hour has been up as high as 98, it's a lower arm slot, the release point is super low.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 55 inch height, so it's under five feet, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a foreseen because of sort of the angle that it comes at, but it moves like a two seemer.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's under eight inches of induced vertical break with around 18 inches of arm side run heavy spin on this pitch 24, 2500 rpm's consistently.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a 16.2% swing strike rate granted.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is in the complex.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's not a lot of left handers that are low and slingy like that, that throw that hard with that kind of movement, with those kind of spin trades.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can kind of mix in a slurvy, short slider in the low to mid 80s.

[SPEAKER_00]: No change up really to speak of at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is something that looks like a change up that he's throwing a handful of times.

[SPEAKER_00]: If that is true, the change up, it's a higher spin, sort of nearly negative, or kind of change up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a decent amount of plain separation between that and the fastball.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really interesting player.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what direction this goes though, Ian.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're rostering this guy in fantasy,

[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of holding on to them for like the novelty of it almost to an extent of like this guy's really talented.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a ton of tools here on like both sides of the ball you could pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can hit defense of the ability, but like where does it go?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think for me and with a player like this, it's hard for me to probably roster Josh Owens and any league where 250 prospects or less are roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what your thoughts are on Owens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and it's tricky because as a two way player, I'd almost prefer he pick a lane because his development is probably gonna be slower because he's a two way player.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna take him time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, it's just hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the only guy who's really made this work is Otani.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know there's been a lot of other guys have tried and it just it usually fizzles out at some point and they do have to pick a lane and I feel like with Owens what you described he's probably going to end up on the mound long term just because of the contact issues and if he does end up with the plate

[SPEAKER_01]: 30 hit guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little that's an iffy profile unless you have like 70 raw.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think he's an interesting like name to follow in terms of the athleticism, but I agree with you unless it's like the deepest of deep leaks.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's someone that I'm kind of taking a more wait and see approach.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go on and on right now because I just it's just it's just a bit it's really hard to be a two way player in the mind or these days.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I don't understand how how this would actually work.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's very, very difficult.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you probably have another player here that you want to talk about.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let me kick it back to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the next complex guy you want to dig into?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yumnardo Reyes, who's an outfielder with the twins.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is just doing everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting for average, he's hitting for power.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of a little bit come out of nowhere because as he was the guy I was looting to earlier, who was not in the top 30, he had to think into the year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, decent numbers in the F in the DSL last year, but wasn't he wasn't a huge bonus guy got a couple hundred thousand didn't have a ton of like, you know, notes on him or internal feedback and so and then this was the big one and I was worried when I started seeing these numbers and started getting these getting some reports from people down and forward up being like, hey, this guys might be really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got really concerned.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, did I just miss this guy in spring training?

[SPEAKER_01]: It turns out he didn't play in spring training.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, we dodge one there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was not like we were at, because I was at the twins' backfields of Tom this spring.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember seeing a six foot three, slugging left-handed hitting outfielder.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I got, I was like, did I really completely miss it?

[SPEAKER_01]: But no, he was hurt this spring.

[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't didn't play got started and extended and he's really taken off since there.

[SPEAKER_01]: He took a big step forward heading in the off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then kind of coming state side.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's really taken to that being able to, you know, just go to the park every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: play, hit off the trajectory sheet, things like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so far it's working.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's setting 354, 7688 in the FCL.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the tools are really loud.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy plus for all the EVs.

[SPEAKER_01]: His 90th percentile EV is 107.4 miles an hour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hard hit rates almost 48%.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got the average EV to back it up to, his average EV is 92.4.

[SPEAKER_01]: And these are marks, so it would be good for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: 25 year old Major Leaker let alone an 18 year old.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what makes him such an interesting prospect to me is his he combines hit with actually good contact ability 14% in zone misraid 23% chase rate good barrel ray the angles are good You know, there's a lot to like here.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty good athlete.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some defensive value.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this isn't like a lumbering corner out fielder, which I think you sometimes have to worry about when you see sluggers in the complex league because the end of the day

[SPEAKER_01]: position of value does matter in fantasy in the sense that if they can play a decent spot that can keep keeps them in the lineup and I he's he's going to be a decent enough outfield there that you're not going to have to worry about that and there's upside with hit tool and the power here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is a guy that I think similar to Premier wouldn't surprise me if he takes to to full season ball next year we see him on a top 100 list at some point in the next couple of years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's been a really interesting one because like as you said, like we're down there, we're seeing a lot of these players.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're hearing from other scouts on players that we need to see, you know, when we're in the area, I mean, you were down in Florida for 10 days that week.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was down there, yeah, just about two weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, there was a lot of time, we had a little overhang, you were there a little earlier, I was there a little later,

[SPEAKER_00]: Race never comes up no.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like most of these other guys that we've heard something about them if they're out from training.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting how stuff like that can still sneak through.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why this is a 12 month a year business.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to stay on top.

[SPEAKER_00]: You never know when you know the next name is going to pop and I think it's exciting.

[SPEAKER_00]: You look at race like there's a good combination, a good blend of hit tool and power and you know those are the kind of guys that you want to buy into.

[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in the complex because the contact rates, the plate skill stuff is all probably going to back up once they get to a full season level there.

[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of want that to be good enough that like, all right, like that adjustment period is going to be a lot softer than it's going to be for like I remember like Robert Coloss coming off the complex like he had a ton of homers, the power was there, he's catching barrels like

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a 24% in zone with freight here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's that gonna look like once he gets it to the aball?

[SPEAKER_00]: And certainly that was something that he ultimately struggled with.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next name that I'm gonna throw out here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one that I know the Robo Scout likes a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: So shot out to our good friend Dylan White on this one.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's Alexander Freyis.

[SPEAKER_00]: Q, the breaking bad mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: with he can't keep getting away with this for the brewers.

[SPEAKER_00]: They continue to just absolutely crush the international market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every single year there are one or two players that we're excited about with the brewers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right now it's Alexander Friass.

[SPEAKER_00]: 407, 496, 648, four homeruns, 16 walks to 21 strikeouts, 11 stolen bases, does have six caught stealing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So not exactly the most efficient base dealer, over 30 games in the complex with the brewers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine that this one has to be pushing toward a promotion to Wilson at some point,

[SPEAKER_00]: When you're hitting 407 at any level for a month, it's probably time to move up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of how lucky you've been on balls and play, hitting 400 for a sustained period of time, even in like, babe, Ruth, high school baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, Reus, left handed bat, there's really good power here to Ian, a 106.2 90th percentile EV, a 116.3, I don't have confirm that that is a 100% real.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is pretty, I think it is pretty sure that we have a metrics, it looks pretty real, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the reverse tweeted it that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 91.6, so yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: 51.2 hard hit rate and this comes with decent not great, but decent contact numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a 20% in zone miss rate, 28% chase rate to a 48% swing rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a high heart swing a 75% it's a really high barrel rate of 22.9% the contact rate overall at 72.6 is almost like squarely average.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some approach questions is a little bit more aggressive once it gets up to a higher level.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's enough of a blend of like hit tool and power here with the type of power when we're talking about projectible 70 power based on the metrics that we're seeing here.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the ability to get to the barrel, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not just hitting it hard, it's hitting it hard with, with while minimizing top spin, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think people out there that are golfers, you understand the guys that hit the big majestic drives, versus the guys that hit those low line or drives.

[SPEAKER_00]: Both can be really good, but if you're trying to hit for power, you're trying to hit for impact in a baseball game, where there's fielders out there,

[SPEAKER_00]: hitting it with backspin and hitting it hard with backspin is the name of the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, freest to me is a name to definitely cue in on if he's available in your leagues, go out there and bid on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is definitely some smoke here.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's worth kind of pursuing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you had me thoughts on freest, if you want to move on to your next thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I completely agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's someone that I've been rostering in a few leagues very early on this off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was a target for one of the burrers was a large proportion of it, but also some interesting underlikes stuff there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that even there might even be more power that game power that he's not showing yet because the ground ball rates a little high it's like 48% right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can start elevating the ball more consistently.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this this is a guy who I think that there's a substantial amount of upside here in his profile.

[SPEAKER_01]: The final guy for me is someone who actually was recently promoted.

[SPEAKER_01]: He would be sent up to Lowe, he is now in the, was it the Midwest League, I believe?

[SPEAKER_01]: Or no, he's playing in, sorry, he's in the Florida State League now.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is Sebastian Dos Santos, not DeLos Santos as I.

[SPEAKER_01]: stupidly made the mistake and one league thinking he was not in the fan track's player pool when it turns out he was already rostered Sebastian Dos Santos who is a shortstop for the Cardinals, and obviously Cardinals player to have is humming along right now as is their major league team and Dos Santos is a really interesting guy Because unlike you know something other guys we're talking a lot of like quarter out fielders or a catcher in Premiere He's a shortstop.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's an up the middle guy

[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, you know, we've seen the track record or, you know, that that's where that's the upside right there that that's the ceiling plays is guys you can stick at short.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a long track record of, you know, of a Latin short stop prospects over the last few years.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just look at our top 100 the top two players are both international signings at short stop.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Dosanto has a really interesting blend of data.

[SPEAKER_01]: The EVs are above average for the age, you know, it's a 103, 2, 90, if a 109, 7, max.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what really interesting with me, our interest me with him, though, is that

[SPEAKER_01]: You also blends that with good swing decisions and really, really good in zone contact rate.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 13% in zone width, so 87% in zone contact, which is well above average.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're making good swing decisions and when it's a pitch in zone, you're making good contact, you know, that's what I like to see.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, and obviously this is not a direct player account, but it reminds me of some of the data you used to see with Franklin R is back when he was in the complex, you know, really high in zone.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're really low in zone with high zone contact, you know, decent EVs, but nothing that stands out and, you know, you look what happened to him is he, he, which physically matured and has kind of parlayed that into being one of the top 10 prospects in all of baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, those Santos, those are, is a really interesting guy to me to follow, especially now that he's, he's the one guy of this crew who's been promoted.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's listed at six foot 140 pounds.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess he's not 140 pounds anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a little heavier than that, but, you know,

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Cardinals clearly were confident in him because they promoted him and if you look at his like surface level stats, you know, they don't stand out as much as some of these other guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was only hitting 264 over the 429 on base in a 586 log obviously the LBP and slugger excellent, but that average is a little lower than a lot of these guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but now, you know, they felt very confident in him and they've promoted him to LoA.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's going to be a fascinating new watch because if he hits an all in LoA, he, I feel like his stock is going to shoot up substantially just because of the level of competition he's doing in against versus some of these other guys who were just still in the complex.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think a big part of that is of all the guys we've talked about he probably has the best plate skills, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

[SPEAKER_00]: really low in zone this rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a more premier, I'd say premier, I might be better, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, you know, yeah, depending upon what they're seeing, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You see in different pictures than premieres in.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess it depends how much you like the braves, yeah, the pitching in that it was awesome water quality isn't great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're like the East Coast pod really isn't bad, you know, you'd

[SPEAKER_00]: Talking Nats, you're talking Mets, you have some pretty decent pitching development at the moment, you're talking Astros, you can always run some arms out there, and then of course they probably see a ton of these Marlons guys who had a really talented crop of pictures last year in the Dominican summer week.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I kind of wonder, you know, but overall, not as much power as Premiere, but really good plate skills and certainly one that's worth paying attention to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last guy that I'm gonna throw out here,

[SPEAKER_00]: With a top 10 pick last year was fairly hyped in FYPDs.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were really early.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of hype in this guy up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got a lot of comparisons to Tray Turner.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's Steel Hall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Insane athlete, one of the best athletes in last year's draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were some question marks.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think for a lot of people that saw him in extended, just in terms of what the swing looked like.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if there's something there's a lesson to be taken here, we've seen so many of these high school guys kind of come in to pro ball they have that like extended period that I would say it was almost from like post signing day when they kind of report all the way to like their first game of minor league spring training next year there is like a six to seven month period here where they really get to get dialed in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Focus on swing changes, get comfortable with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it happen with Connor Griffin.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw how much he's taken off.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the only one.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you look at some of these elite athletes, guys that maybe don't come, you know, he's from Hal's from Alabama.

[SPEAKER_00]: Griffins from Mississippi, they're not seeing California, Florida, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, kind of high school competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing good, I mean, better than the one we're seeing here in Massachusetts.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not seeing the same level of competition, the adjustments have to be made.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so far so good, you know, over 35 games in his professional career, Hall is hitting

[SPEAKER_00]: The contact skills are a little frenzy.

[SPEAKER_00]: The swing decisions are okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's decent, but not great power here.

[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that's funny though is despite the good chase rate all sort of thing, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's working deep in accounts.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's filing balls off.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's making guys work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the stuff that's not showing up kind of in the data, I think we need dig into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You talk to people that have seen steel haul.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the reasons that the numbers and the performance is what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also has this plus plus speed getting the bat on the ball, getting the ball and play his legs allow things to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It will be interesting to see where this goes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the reds have not had a great track record lately, with some of these high-upside position player prospects they've drafted, you know, domestically.

[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like a huge obstacle for a different story.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think, you know, we sort of look at Tyson Lewis and

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really been very good, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was another guy that hit a lot of home runs and the complex and numbers looked a little bit better.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as he got to full season ball,

[SPEAKER_00]: things really crater, you know, to the point that this season over 45 games, he's hit 228 294 3444.

[SPEAKER_00]: Numbers weren't quite as good as what Halls are right now when he was in the complex last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I guess actually we're pretty comparable, 34396, 532, I guess a little bit more on baseability and around the same amount of slug.

[SPEAKER_00]: So,

[SPEAKER_00]: Different players, both big athletes, both guys that had some hit to a question.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, put the brakes a little bit, but as somebody who was a big advocate for all right now, he's an exciting player and I think if I'm rebuilding, he's maybe not like a prime target I'm going after, but maybe in a smaller piece, if he's a smaller deal, if he's a piece that you can get for,

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, rotation starter or somebody that's going to help that competing team at this moment, probably a good deal to make.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a good secondary piece in a bigger deal, a fiduciary piece in a bigger deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of think that's where you're at right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's upside that's worth gambling, but I wouldn't overpay just based on what the potential risk is still.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think if we're talking about

[SPEAKER_00]: an organization, it's me, if we're talking about the pirates, I probably might be a little bit more positive, but I don't think I ever would have said that for five years ago in comparing and contrasting the pirates and and the reds, but kind of is where we are, we are at.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go, I think those are seven names in that we went through here, went on a full 45 minutes or so for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hope you guys all have a great weekend enjoy the college world series, Cape Cod League, Marlene Baseball, Major League Baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got all levels of ball going on right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get out there, get to a ball field, check some games up.