00:00.73
alexei sayle
Hello everybody and welcome to episode 129 of the Alexi Sale podcast. um If you've made it this far, then you know that... um I don't know, I was going to improvise something about like, like as if it was a murder story, like a story that was going to have an ending, you know.

00:23.06
Talal K
Yes.

00:23.74
alexei sayle
If you've come this far, then you'll know that Simeon has learned by now that Jacinto is actually an agent for international mining conglomerate.

00:36.84
alexei sayle
Meanwhile, Marcus discovers that he has feelings for Arabootla and things come to a head in the grain store.

00:50.71
Talal K
And of course, last week, ah mrs

00:52.31
alexei sayle
In last week's episode, this is, yeah,

00:54.97
Talal K
Mrs. Bryans, the head of year nine at Mildred High, um while searching through the storeroom for some HB pencils, found an ancient treasure chest containing a golden idol heads from the Incan tribes.

01:02.17
alexei sayle
Yeah. but

01:15.22
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. But unfortunately, we now learn this week's episode, these do not come on with an ancient curse attached.

01:27.58
Talal K
Unfortunately not, no, but. She does make a considerable fortune auctioning them off.

01:34.42
alexei sayle
Yeah, another yeah another um

01:39.90
Talal K
Yep.

01:42.23
alexei sayle
another news. mark Raven gets a cat.

01:48.60
Talal K
you

01:49.85
alexei sayle
ah

01:50.74
Talal K
And this whole episode this week is a bottle episode of Raven and her cat.

01:55.35
alexei sayle
Yeah, a bottle of water bottle episode.

01:56.09
Talal K
and Oh, so like in a TV series, if they need to save some money or do a cheap-ish episode, they'll just do a whole episode set in one location with very minimal, you know, minimal characters and props.

02:03.42
alexei sayle
Right, yeah.

02:08.82
alexei sayle
Right, yeah, yeah. Do that, ne yeah, yeah.

02:13.45
Talal K
and

02:14.07
alexei sayle
Do that, yeah, yeah.

02:16.63
Talal K
So there's just, yeah, Raven and their new cat waiting for a delivery.

02:19.86
alexei sayle
Raven and her cat, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Toys.

02:26.03
Talal K
Yeah.

02:26.39
alexei sayle
um Yeah, so anyway, yeah, so ah ah you said a lot's been happening, which comes as news to me, but what's been happening? ah

02:34.52
Talal K
I thought we'd get your ah your insight on last night.

02:36.12
alexei sayle
ah My take, my hot take, just my two cents.

02:38.86
Talal K
So we're recording this on Friday the 19th.

02:41.40
alexei sayle
This is my two copecks worth. You what?

02:43.41
Talal K
It was election night last night.

02:43.67
alexei sayle
Who? Actually, Andy Burnham. Burnham? Well, it doesn't do him any good.

02:52.28
Talal K
Burn him? Hardly know him.

02:53.98
alexei sayle
no no, it's like, you know, tight under... What is it? Hampton Court? No, tight underpants, you daft. That's right. Pissed and broke? Yeah, you too.

03:08.55
Talal K
don't know these.

03:08.55
alexei sayle
Andy Baird? Yeah, he did. it's a It's a weird sexual thing that we have going on between us.

03:18.71
alexei sayle
it's ah yeah it's ah it's says It's a dark corner of the internet featuring testicles and blow torches.

03:27.58
Talal K
Andrew Feinstein.

03:30.63
alexei sayle
What's he done?

03:31.80
Talal K
Andrew drew Feinstein. and There's no pun there.

03:35.61
alexei sayle
No, no, no, no.

03:36.63
Talal K
No.

03:36.90
alexei sayle
Angie Burnham. Turn him green. Well, it doesn't do him any good. Yeah,

03:43.38
Talal K
ah

03:47.26
Talal K
That's good. I can't think of a good one.

03:48.12
alexei sayle
yeah, yeah. Well, you haven't had my 300 years in show business.

03:52.87
Talal K
That's true. ah Yeah. um I did see a recent kind of ah ah someone questioning Burnham in the street about his stance on Palestine because historically he has been vocal about it.

04:11.44
Talal K
But, you know, in the last few months, he's...

04:12.13
alexei sayle
Has he? He's in Labour Friends of fucking Israel, so...

04:14.46
Talal K
ah No, he's not.

04:17.25
alexei sayle
He is. It's 2015.

04:19.80
Talal K
Fuck off. Oh my God.

04:20.82
alexei sayle
Yeah.

04:21.48
Talal K
No, he's not.

04:21.87
alexei sayle
Yeah. He was in Labour Friends of Palestine as well. don't know whether... But that was...

04:25.08
Talal K
But isn't that kind of, you you're automatically in it and you have to opt out.

04:25.49
alexei sayle
Labour Friends of... I

04:30.74
Talal K
If you're a member of the Labour you'll automatically put in the Friends of Israel.

04:31.61
alexei sayle
don't think so. Labour Friends of Israel. i don't think so. Yeah, well, this is my take. I think... Well, he's going to be a tremendous disappointment. if you the Andy Burnham's Makerfield seat was gifted to him by a guy called Josh Simmons. Josh Simmons was, when he was an MP, chair of a group called Labour Friends. what would they called They're called Labour Together, who we've talked about before with the journalist Paula Holden.

05:06.71
alexei sayle
Josh Simmons also was guilty and had to resign his post because he hired private detectives to spy on Paul Holden and also threatened them with entirely spurious reference to security services. Now, it seems to me that Burnham has done a deal with Josh Simmons that Josh Simmons gave him his seat because he's ah he's a really, I think, extremely ambitious and a th thrusting character Simmons that um that he's done a deal with Simmons, that Simmons is going to be there in the background advising, in inverted commas, Andy Burnham, and he's done some sort of deal with Labour together. And so part of that deal will be that he will be in a straight jacket of...

05:55.53
alexei sayle
right-wing laborism he won won't do anything about the you know the the did the disgraceful prescription of pastime action he won't do anything about ah you know britain's uh arms trade with israel won't do anything about anything really because he's he's sold his ass to um morgan mcsweeney who i still think is hovering in the out there in the darkness just swimming off the Houses Parliament terrace like a like Jason Bourne in the third Jason Bourne film, snorkelling just up and down outside Parliament.

06:35.35
alexei sayle
um And he will be he will he will, I guess, make a move to be Labour leader. Quickly, and then he will turn out to be a tremendous disappointment, which delays the whole... Well, we'll see, really. We'll see. He'll make some noises about loosening up. Well, don't know whether he'll try and ameliorate Starmer's and Labour Together's vile authoritarianism.

07:01.30
Talal K
So Labour Together is now known as Think Labour.

07:04.73
alexei sayle
Are they...

07:05.85
Talal K
And it's a think tank closely aligned with the right wing of the Labour Party. And were they a big part of formulating the anti-Corbyn smears and stuff?

07:10.23
alexei sayle
Yeah, but they...

07:14.36
alexei sayle
Yes, they were very central in the fabricating the false allegations of anti-Semitism.

07:16.63
Talal K
Right, right.

07:21.57
alexei sayle
The people who were at the core of it were Steve Reid, Shabana Mahmood, ah I guess Peter Mandelson, but these were Morgan McSweeney.

07:35.67
alexei sayle
And these were the people that put Starmer in place. while hiding the fact that they were receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds from from pro-israel interests and gambling interests and Other sources of dark money, but they hid that until Starmer was elected.

07:58.81
alexei sayle
um Steve Reid is a particular fucking arsehole, but one of those people. But yeah, they were very central. They were very central to... Labour together very central to attacking the Canary. you know I had a column, you know as I said, brought within in the Canary.

08:13.24
alexei sayle
Actually, which wasn't a brilliant fit between me and the people who read the Canary. But um nevertheless, the way that they... moved because the canary was actually printing stuff about labor together.

08:25.43
alexei sayle
um You know, and was doing things that the mainstream media should have been doing. They sabotaged them by again, false accusations of antisemitism, which meant that they lost their financial base.

08:37.01
alexei sayle
Um, And so that's who, I think that is who, those people who Burnham has done a deal with, really. So we'll see. I think he'll, you know, he will become leader the Labour Party either sooner or later.

08:48.49
alexei sayle
and But then from then on, it'll be a...

08:49.85
Talal K
You think he will over West Street Inc.

08:52.44
alexei sayle
Oh, yeah, no. Yeah.

08:54.74
Talal K
But you look, i'm to be transparent, I'm not finding anything here about Andy Burnham in Labour Friends of Israel. Are you sure about that?

09:03.99
alexei sayle
I read that he joined in 2015...

09:08.91
Talal K
Well, I'm not seeing that online.

09:10.04
alexei sayle
All right, well, yeah, there is a reason.

09:10.46
Talal K
So anyone at home, feel free to pitch in, let us know.

09:13.02
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

09:15.26
Talal K
um

09:16.60
alexei sayle
And he certainly has not said anything about the genocide or, you know.

09:17.40
Talal K
right

09:20.76
Talal K
He won't call it a genocide currently, but... I know that he has, so like I was mentioning earlier in a recent video of him, he is condemning Israel's, what Israel has done over the last two and a half years.

09:35.58
Talal K
And he he thinks that's, so he doesn't he doesn't think the war on Gaza, the genocide in Gaza, even though we won't call it that, ah is just, I don't think he's going to be as bad as Starmer, you know, who said, you know, Israel have the right to cut off

09:48.33
alexei sayle
Is she going to anything good?

09:53.72
alexei sayle
Yeah.

09:53.98
Talal K
food and water and electricity and all that.

09:56.50
alexei sayle
what Well, say we'll see.

09:56.78
Talal K
I'm just just looking at this ah Middle East Eye article.

09:57.58
alexei sayle
We'll see.

10:04.72
Talal K
Maybe just so another couple minutes on this. How Andy Burnham stood up to Stama over Israel and could now reshape UK foreign policy. I'm not here trying to bat for Andy Burnham, by the way.

10:16.19
Talal K
I'm just looking at the...

10:17.79
alexei sayle
No, well, maybe you're right.

10:18.35
Talal K
don't...

10:18.90
alexei sayle
Maybe maybe your your youthful naivety will win out over my elderly cynicism.

10:22.86
Talal K
don't

10:25.24
Talal K
maybe relatively youthful and relatively naive, but I think I'm past that.

10:28.60
alexei sayle
Yeah.

10:29.88
Talal K
I'm not, um

10:29.85
alexei sayle
Well, if he does, then good. you know i i You know, we'll see.

10:34.04
Talal K
well, but yeah, okay. that After resounding win in Makefield, Burnham can now challenge Starmer in what looks like a battle over who will lead the UK. Oh, is this all just kind of hypothetical?

10:47.90
Talal K
ah

10:48.12
alexei sayle
Well, no, he will. he'll Presumably he mounts a challenge, right? I mean, I will be pleased to see Starmer get fucking, you know, ejected.

10:56.06
Talal K
He will be humiliated as well, which is, yeah.

10:56.30
alexei sayle
I mean, he's a hateful little prick. Yeah. mean, just the most spectacularly unpleasant individual.

11:07.58
Talal K
As a foreign policy issue, Israel has been significant in Britain over the the past two plus years because of its genocide in Gaza. And in the past few months, the US-Israeli war in Iran has had a significant economic impact on Britain.

11:22.84
Talal K
um Burnham was reticent to speak about foreign policy. According to sources within Labour, he and his team believed it would not help him win, makers make a field.

11:34.39
Talal K
Yeah, it's such a shame that people feel like they need to hold their tongue on like the biggest issue that everyone fucking cares about.

11:38.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

11:41.27
alexei sayle
Yeah.

11:42.39
Talal K
But Burnham will now be forced to turn seriously to the topic. um

11:46.78
alexei sayle
Middle East eye says this.

11:48.15
Talal K
Yes.

11:49.53
alexei sayle
Yes.

11:49.74
Talal K
He'll be keen to respond to the green insurgency and win back left-wing voters, which is what Keir Starmer has been so bad at.

11:49.98
alexei sayle
Yeah. Copy. Yeah.

11:58.39
alexei sayle
Yeah.

11:58.68
Talal K
And instead of trying to be in opposition to reform, he's just trying to appease reform voters by speaking their language.

12:05.08
alexei sayle
copy it yeah yeah

12:08.19
Talal K
And it's like, that's not how you... and Okay, so I guess what this is saying is now is it not... When the leadership race begins, that's going to be... we're gonna see his true colors really or we're gonna see where he stands and all that.

12:22.68
Talal K
And I know we want the downfall of the Labour Party, but I also do want something good to happen at the same time, you know?

12:23.19
alexei sayle
Okay. All right. Well, let's, let's, let's, um, yeah.

12:32.02
alexei sayle
Yeah.

12:32.38
Talal K
I want our country to have policies that a oppose of fucking genocide.

12:37.37
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, let's see.

12:37.46
Talal K
Like,

12:39.99
alexei sayle
We'll be keeping an eye on this for you people, listeners. And, you know, there's a we are forced to be reckoned with on the left in the the new media.

12:52.06
alexei sayle
So um people will be we'll be having the um we'll be having the you know the various they you know we'll be having the various...

13:03.81
alexei sayle
Runners and riders on the show. Andy Burnham, Starmer. David Lammy is coming on next week. Shabana Mahmood, we're interviewing.

13:17.37
alexei sayle
um Yvette Cooper. ah You know, we'll all a lobby i'll be coming on. Delivery.

13:25.78
Talal K
And now back to Raven, her cat and the impending delivery.

13:27.70
alexei sayle
ah ah

13:30.46
Talal K
The four hour time slot.

13:32.44
alexei sayle
very

13:32.50
Talal K
Is that the delivery coming now? No, no, it wasn't. That was just a green party leaf litter.

13:43.29
Talal K
Speaking of next week, we are actually on break next week.

13:43.35
alexei sayle
Yeah, we'll have a... And we'll, you know... Yeah, what?

13:47.41
Talal K
I am on a much needed holiday. ah we won't be doing a podcast next week, I'm afraid listeners, but we will be back the week after with a very special guest.

13:58.06
alexei sayle
say a special guest. Yes, I've been reading... Molly Crabapple will be our guest.

14:06.46
Talal K
Yes.

14:06.58
alexei sayle
And I've been reading her book about... the It's... I get... the title

14:11.75
Talal K
Bund, Bund.

14:11.80
alexei sayle
Where we live, this is our land, I think is the the history of the Jewish bond, the socialist, socialism.

14:15.38
Talal K
Yes.

14:19.54
Talal K
Here where we live is our country, the story of the Jewish Bund.

14:21.98
alexei sayle
Here where we live is our country, yeah. And it's fascinating, really. it's I mean, and it's also... Because it's not just about the born Brits, a kind of history of of of European politics, in a way, late 19th century through to... I don't know when, because haven't finished the book yet. But, ah you know, you you sort of see the same things, the same scapegoating of immigrants, the same...

14:50.14
alexei sayle
forces the same stupidity on the left of of of of not acting fast enough or with enough um with enough decisiveness so you know constant that that that um you know which is a perennial problem on the left um

14:53.80
Talal K
Mm-hmm.

15:13.24
alexei sayle
So, yeah, it's ah it's ah it's a really fascinating, it's a really fantastic book, really, and um I will have read it all by the time speak to Molly Crabapple next week.

15:26.26
Talal K
week after next. What else are you reading or what are you watching at the moment, Alexi?

15:27.48
alexei sayle
Week after next.

15:30.65
alexei sayle
Why am I watching? Thank you. What am I watching, Talal? That's a good question. I see there's a new Harlan Cobben coming. you ever Have you ever watched a Harlan Cobben?

15:44.28
Talal K
Oh, no.

15:44.41
alexei sayle
They usually star Jimmy, what's he called, James Nesbitt. Often or somebody looks like James Nesbitt. And they start off like really fantastic and then, you know, with an amazing premise. And you think, how did they do that?

15:58.55
alexei sayle
And then you realise just absolute crap. They never really resolve how they did that. But one of the things they do...

16:07.02
Talal K
Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. Harlan Cobben is a writer and he writes books and they make TV show.

16:11.06
alexei sayle
isn but Yeah. Yeah.

16:14.38
Talal K
Are you reading a book or watching a TV?

16:15.21
alexei sayle
They make lots and No, I was just... I think I've... We watched quite a lot, particularly I think over lockdown, and we watched a lot of Harlan Cobbins.

16:25.47
Talal K
Oh, he writes mysteries.

16:25.98
alexei sayle
They're all the same. Yeah, and then I think his daughter also writes mysteries, and then... guess but you you probably ask people who knocked them out for him.

16:33.66
Talal K
Okay. God, sometimes you say things and I'm just scrambling to figure out what the fuck you're talking about. All right, so he's...

16:40.02
alexei sayle
harlan cobb and Harlan Cobbin!

16:40.59
Talal K
yeah, yeah yeah I didn't know those are such random syllables.

16:41.29
alexei sayle
Cobbin!

16:44.49
Talal K
Fool me once, shelter, stay close, missing you are all TV shows of Harlan Cobben stories.

16:46.55
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:50.04
alexei sayle
Yeah.

16:50.96
Talal K
Okay, what's...

16:51.76
alexei sayle
They're always... well they What they do is, which is quite... They set them in these kind of composite towns. So I remember seeing one that was... um and so they choose the best you know it's like it's supposed to be one town but they actually choose the best so there was one set in the northwest and so they would leave their house and then turn onto the seafront at southport or somewhere then they'd turn again and then they'd be on the high street in lancaster by the castle and stuff so you just so they they're set they're visually very attractive because they're just set in these um these composite towns that don't exist you know but which are just

17:13.42
Talal K
Uh-huh.

17:18.36
Talal K
Yeah.

17:28.88
alexei sayle
redolent with all kinds of amazing and forests. There's usually a forest. Uh, there's often a forest.

17:35.45
Talal K
All right. This is an American writer. So they're American shows. So they he did.

17:39.83
alexei sayle
No, no, they're, they're all made. Yes. I think, but that, I think there's some, but there's a production company. I can't remember it is now who've kind of worked out this formula of knocking them out for British television and and they set them in Britain.

17:52.76
alexei sayle
Um,

17:53.13
Talal K
Do remember that show You on Netflix about this weird stalker guy?

17:57.56
alexei sayle
ah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:01.02
Talal K
um My girlfriend was watching it and ah there was a season of it was set in London, but it's at for an American audience.

18:08.63
alexei sayle
Yeah.

18:09.43
Talal K
And I think he was working in like a university in like Kensington or something. And he meets someone, goes, oh, you wanna walk home with me? And she's like yeah, sure. Where do you live?

18:19.54
Talal K
He's like, Shoreditch. All right, let's go. And they like walking into Americans. They don't know that it's like a fucking three and a half hour walk.

18:24.79
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

18:27.57
Talal K
You know, we're watching this game. What the fuck kind of walk is that pleasant stroll you're doing? And they did the same thing in Lena Dunham's latest show. Lena Dunham's who made who made Girls.

18:40.54
alexei sayle
yeah Oh, it was shocking.

18:41.40
Talal K
She did a series set in London. It was so bad. And again, like he's like, let's take a walk.

18:45.91
alexei sayle
Yeah.

18:47.94
Talal K
And before you know it, they've walked across all of London.

18:51.64
alexei sayle
There's usually the gherkins always in a shot. It used to be for a while.

18:55.98
Talal K
Yeah, yeah.

18:56.62
alexei sayle
It's like when Woody Allen started, when nobody would finance Woody Allen's films in the States, so he started to making films in Europe and you realised he was shit. It was just only America that was making him seem good.

19:09.50
alexei sayle
I mean, like Match Point, I think, was one.

19:09.75
Talal K
Right, yeah.

19:12.55
alexei sayle
Just terrible. Although I think it was actually all these all these great films. It went through and made... I mean, I think also a terrible person. I think we had this conversation and we... Mia Farrow was his muse, really. and He was good when he was with her, and then as soon as they split up, his films went right off. But, yeah, no, everything set in... in that ah Any American thing set in London is always diabolical. mean, you know, from going back to, you know, when friends came to London.

19:40.06
Talal K
Yes.

19:40.47
alexei sayle
We were on a break in London.

19:42.14
Talal K
Yeah, yeah.

19:42.67
alexei sayle
You slept, you know. um and

19:47.64
Talal K
Richard Branson selling t-shirts on the Thames.

19:51.05
alexei sayle
That's right. Yeah. All that kind of nonsense. Yeah.

19:53.89
Talal K
What fuck was that?

19:54.90
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

19:56.92
Talal K
um Yeah, they just they view London as this quaint little village, don't they?

19:59.01
alexei sayle
I bet actually a bit, eh?

20:03.58
alexei sayle
Yeah. It's just, yeah, they just, cause they're sophisticated people. You think they like, you know, they just get it right. Really. But it's.

20:12.76
Talal K
We should do a show in, a British show set in New York and treat it the same way.

20:17.59
alexei sayle
m but Yeah.

20:19.09
Talal K
And like, have you... a you know you You walk out the door in Brooklyn and then suddenly you're in Manhattan and ah driving on the left side of the road.

20:21.94
alexei sayle
I don't know New York, so... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We could not bother. Yeah. um This is one you'll never find for a lecture. I remember doing... I think it was for the opening in night of um

20:43.77
alexei sayle
Channel 5. I may have got some details of this wrong. But I was... The... The... the er And it was, i think it was Lee Francis, you know, very, very strange.

20:56.95
alexei sayle
um Like, you know, that did Bo Selector and all that. Very odd character.

21:03.26
Talal K
Oh, yeah.

21:04.38
alexei sayle
think it was him. I think he was, I remember Davina McCall was in it. remember for chat, everybody was really nice. was really nice on the cast. I remember chatting with Davina McCall and saying, what, you know, what have you got in your box of memories? And I said, oh, like, you know, tickets to open a film I saw in,

21:24.62
alexei sayle
1987, she said, I've got my Olympic torch that I carried through London, you know, for the Olympic guys. Oh, yeah, right. You win. um But this thing, whatever it was, the joke was supposed to be that at one point, I think they go and have a, I don't remember why, they they' go and have an X-ray, right?

21:48.12
alexei sayle
And then... Lee Francis and possibly that bear that he used to do that with an erection, that they're going have an x-ray.

21:55.80
Talal K
Yeah.

21:58.44
alexei sayle
And then the reveal was going to be that the x-ray operator was David Bailey, right? Which was a kind of a joke, you know? I mean, it's not, you know.

22:09.81
Talal K
Who's David Bailey?

22:10.81
alexei sayle
Oh, for fuck's sake. You know know, David Bailey is only the greatest photographers of his generation.

22:17.91
Talal K
Oh, right. Okay. And he's the... Okay, he's the X-Raven.

22:21.46
alexei sayle
he's the radiographer, right? But the last minute, or I don't even know if it was the last minute, David Bailey refused to be in it. And so it turns out, like, when the they say, okay, your x-ray's done, then I step out.

22:33.64
alexei sayle
And it's not a joke. It's not like, there's no joke there, because I'm not a famous photographer.

22:36.37
Talal K
doesn't It's not the same, is it?

22:39.26
alexei sayle
No. I have no memory. I don't know what it was called. I know I've got a lot of more.

22:45.56
Talal K
It was called a Bear's Tale.

22:48.15
alexei sayle
Was that, yeah, was it the opening night of Channel 5?

22:50.55
Talal K
No. ah No, it was just a Channel 4 sitcom that that Lee Francis made in 2005.

22:55.96
alexei sayle
Was it?

22:57.74
Talal K
Yeah. Yeah.

22:59.92
alexei sayle
He's a very strange boy.

23:01.72
Talal K
yeah

23:06.20
Talal K
I mean, my family enjoyed his Michael Jackson movie that he made. It was a DVD.

23:13.88
alexei sayle
Didn't he ruin like Craig David's life? for but

23:16.09
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, he's ah he's an absolute monster. is it

23:19.61
alexei sayle
Yeah.

23:19.68
Talal K
He's shit. He's shit. But ah

23:22.55
alexei sayle
They gave me a shitload of money for not being David Bailey.

23:25.62
Talal K
just doing that one scene.

23:26.90
alexei sayle
Yeah, that's it. was like, oh, your photo's done out. and to Look, it's me. Alexi Sayle, who's not a famous photographer.

23:33.40
Talal K
ah That doesn't make any sense.

23:38.78
alexei sayle
No, didn't make any sense at all.

23:41.75
Talal K
Yeah, it was a spin-off of his Bo Selector character.

23:42.04
alexei sayle
There you go

23:44.03
Talal K
It's called a Bear's Tale in 2005.

23:48.09
Talal K
um

23:48.57
alexei sayle
you go. We talked a lot about Bo Selector as if I'd seen it, which of course I hadn't. So I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. bit like when I did

23:57.56
Talal K
You know, I've been wanting to, I'm thinking maybe a new ongoing segment we could do on the pot on the podcast.

24:02.81
alexei sayle
Have we got enough segments? Yeah, go on. Oh, yeah.

24:07.16
Talal K
Every time we start an episode, I open up your IMDB just to kind of have it to fall back on.

24:13.50
alexei sayle
See if I've done anything.

24:15.54
Talal K
If, yeah, or like, you know, if we run out shit to talk about, I'll just pick a random thing on your IMDB and, you know, it's happened a few times and now I just do it out of habit.

24:17.85
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

24:22.50
Talal K
I have it there as an emergency, you know, ripcord.

24:26.58
alexei sayle
Mm.

24:28.15
Talal K
But I was thinking maybe we could like go through it from the earliest to the latest and try and rank your, get your, rank your, the things you've worked on.

24:45.88
Talal K
ah And you know, just do like five at a time and then I'll slowly build up a list of Alexi's top projects that he's worked on and

24:56.38
alexei sayle
I suppose so. Think anybody like that?

25:01.36
Talal K
Would anybody like that?

25:03.00
alexei sayle
Is the world is worth crying out for that?

25:05.37
Talal K
ah

25:07.61
alexei sayle
In a time

25:11.26
alexei sayle
a time when the Straits of Hormuz remain blocked, is anybody really

25:19.16
Talal K
Yeah. It's what the world needs. Like, for example, if we were to... How do I do? If I were to start.

25:37.70
Talal K
Bear with me. Aha.

25:41.98
Talal K
Okay, I've done it. i've figured it out.

25:45.82
Talal K
So like the first thing on your IMDB is something called repeater. Yeah.

25:51.06
alexei sayle
Right.

25:52.38
Talal K
from From what year? 1979. ninety seventy nine

25:56.82
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.

25:57.91
Talal K
So automatically that becomes number one on the list, yeah? Because it's the only thing we have. But then we've got a short film called Transmogrification from 1980. Do you have any memories of this?

26:11.70
alexei sayle
Well, I think, yeah, these are both connected with my time at Chelsea Art School, I think. I think that... um Repeater is actually made by a guy was at Chelsea with called Chris Munger who later went on to be a film director wrote wrote and directed a film called The Man Who Went Up Ailing.

26:29.37
alexei sayle
Came down a mountain with what's his face? Him out of four weddings and a funeral. know

26:37.66
Talal K
he

26:38.33
alexei sayle
I think Transmogrification is the film I did with... it theyre very with the The film that I did, it start it stars me and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

26:49.16
Talal K
Shut up.

26:49.20
alexei sayle
It's that film that we've talked about.

26:50.46
Talal K
No.

26:52.68
alexei sayle
It's that film where me and Jacob Rees-Mogg were a double act.

26:53.24
Talal K
Yes.

26:57.02
Talal K
When you used to bounce him on your knee.

26:58.84
alexei sayle
Yes, exactly.

26:59.83
Talal K
So my question would be, what do you think is better? Transmogrification or repeater?

27:06.23
alexei sayle
I don't know. They both have their... um their attributes.

27:11.48
Talal K
yeah

27:12.33
alexei sayle
I don't know if I've ever seen transmogrification, but it's a it's a it's bizarre side note in my history.

27:22.35
alexei sayle
Repeater, I don't know, it's quite avant-garde, I think.

27:24.73
Talal K
well you have to choose which ones which one should i put on top

27:27.93
alexei sayle
Well, because I like Dan, my tutor who's dead, I'd say I'd rate transmogrification over repeater.

27:38.54
Talal K
Okay, great. Transmog and it's trans re-smogrification.

27:47.74
Talal K
Transmogrification 1980 is now number one on the list and repeat as number two. Then the next thing we have is lost for words.

27:52.22
alexei sayle
Okay. Oh, the far nor tis what is. What the fuck?

27:57.78
Talal K
You don't know what that is. All right, I'll put that last then.

27:58.71
alexei sayle
No.

28:02.62
alexei sayle
I think it was something I did. There used to be... the Because when I taught, when I was a college lecturer, you you couldn't... The GLC, all London colleges had their own TV channel.

28:16.38
alexei sayle
And you couldn't just plug your telly into it like the show a film or film. You had to plug this... yeah had Every room had a monitor in it, which plugged into this...

28:26.91
Talal K
Like a switchboard kind of thing?

28:27.93
alexei sayle
Yeah, like a kind of, ah and it was like a kind of intranet. I mean, it was like a London-wide TV channel run by the GLC and the Inner London Education Authority.

28:37.22
Talal K
Oh.

28:37.73
alexei sayle
Some people may may want to, you know, fill us in on this. It was quite an interesting thing, really. So, yeah, there was this, I think it was a hotbed of Marxism and stuff. So it was the, yeah, you know, when when Ken Livingstone was in charge of um the GLC and they had this their own, and they used to make

28:59.58
alexei sayle
educational programs, you know, for their channel as well. And I think Lost for Words is is about language use.

29:08.48
Talal K
Ah.

29:08.50
alexei sayle
I think it was written, I'm this i'm guessing that, but I think it was written by my late friend, David Stafford, and think starred me and Andy Dellator, I seem to remember.

29:17.79
Talal K
OK. Memories are flooding back.

29:18.81
alexei sayle
um but But yeah, but so yeah, I'd be interested if anybody wanted to To um fill us in about ah that that did did the GLC or the ILEA in the London Education Authority TV network, I think they were based Alexander Palace.

29:39.93
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think it was it was like a hotbed, yeah, of like radicalism and stuff. And obviously Thatcher closed it down. and Yeah, or, yeah, sign a cure for people who failed elsewhere, i think, probably.

29:54.23
Talal K
All Okay, now that you've, what now that you've, yeah.

29:55.74
alexei sayle
um Yeah, so tell us about that. you Yeah,

30:00.18
Talal K
If anyone can find the footage of that, let us know.

30:03.52
alexei sayle
because I also did, for them, which was also David Stafford's, I did, i think he was good, I did a production of the Caucasian Chalk Circle, for that same network. I think, or was it for Thames?

30:17.59
alexei sayle
Maybe it was just for Schools TV. No, maybe it was that was for Schools TV, that was for Thames. I don't know if that's in my IMDb. But I played Groucha's uncle.

30:30.17
alexei sayle
I gave myself a sort of northern accent. And I often think, I said, Groucha, the snows are melting and soon the soldiers will be here.

30:43.45
alexei sayle
I often think that round about springtime. I think to myself, Grusha, the s snows are melting and soon the soldiers will be here.

30:55.35
Talal K
The Caucasian chalk circle is, is that Arthur Miller?

30:58.31
alexei sayle
The cork choke. No, fuck off. It's Bertolt Brecht.

31:00.92
Talal K
Fuck off. It's Brecht.

31:03.10
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's very good. It's about Azdak, who did this kind of itinerant

31:06.33
Talal K
Yes.

31:10.17
Talal K
No, no, no, no, no. I remember it. I remember it from high school drama. My my my class did Arturo Uwe and I played Uwe. I played Arturo and the other class did chalk circle.

31:19.32
alexei sayle
Yes.

31:23.71
Talal K
And we both performed it for the year, school Yes.

31:24.38
alexei sayle
coakook Right.

31:26.93
Talal K
Yes. the school year um

31:29.21
alexei sayle
And Mark Gatiss has just done a fantastic about me but for air production of Arturo Uwe

31:34.23
Talal K
yes

31:37.21
Talal K
yes

31:37.94
alexei sayle
um up in Stratford. I don't think they they're bringing thunder, but it looked amazing. And you know, that there's great lines. Get up the line, the last line of Arturo.

31:51.45
alexei sayle
Can you get them up? Can you call them up?

31:54.42
Talal K
Oh, yeah, which line?

31:56.47
alexei sayle
The very last line.

32:04.98
alexei sayle
Which is...

32:05.53
Talal K
His final speech.

32:07.06
alexei sayle
Yes.

32:08.31
Talal K
If we could learn to look instead of gawking, we'd see the horror in the heart of farce. If we if only we could act instead of talking, we wouldn't always end up on our ass.

32:21.20
Talal K
Don't rejoice in his defeat you men. Although the world stood up and defeated the bastard, the bitch that bore him is in heat again.

32:32.17
alexei sayle
just so fucking those those are words to send a chill down your spine aren't they i mean that's such a great piece of writing um you know yes it was a it was a it was a vegetable seller who you know

32:42.56
Talal K
Uwe of course was an allegory for Hitler. And so this fucking holds up, doesn't it, man? Bloody hell.

32:54.10
alexei sayle
so fucking powerful you still on heat again i would say the bits are you know the bits that you know it's not

32:54.39
Talal K
The bitch that bore him is still... is in heat again.

33:01.30
alexei sayle
You know, Keir Starmer is miss Hitler. Shabana Mahmood, you know.

33:10.49
Talal K
um

33:10.81
alexei sayle
Yvette Cooper.

33:13.11
Talal K
Okay, now that...

33:13.51
alexei sayle
Grusha, the snows are melting and soon the soldiers will be here.

33:20.18
Talal K
Now that all this memories come back, Lost for Words is still at the bottom of the list. Are you happy with that?

33:25.82
alexei sayle
Yes, don't think lost for words. really made it in terms of cinematography.

33:31.58
Talal K
Okay.

33:31.83
alexei sayle
All right.

33:32.35
Talal K
We're going to do two more. I want to try and do five each time we do this.

33:35.03
alexei sayle
All right, this is really stupid.

33:35.19
Talal K
Next up is, so we're getting Lexi Sales official IMDB ranking.

33:36.17
alexei sayle
Have

33:39.71
Talal K
um Next up we have in 1981, you did Wolcott. Oh, that's one we did a react to recently, isn't it

33:45.41
alexei sayle
we done that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah

33:48.70
Talal K
ah You played an anti-fascist soapbox speaker and your mate Keith was a fash who came and heckled you, causing a little scuffle um in one episode of Wolcott, the mini series about a black London detective, which was a shocking thing to see in 1981.

33:56.75
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm.

33:59.33
alexei sayle
Well,

34:12.60
Talal K
ah What do you think? you want to put that above repeater, above transmogrification?

34:18.46
alexei sayle
it was sort of made by professional people.

34:19.93
Talal K
your personal preference

34:22.51
alexei sayle
because There was like there's like a lunch wagon and stuff. There's that.

34:27.93
Talal K
yeah well where does it sit rank in your heart so you think it's better better quality stuff do you think about your performance in it and what do you think

34:28.57
alexei sayle
Was that rank it?

34:35.51
alexei sayle
Walcott, not really. It's pretty stupid.

34:43.60
alexei sayle
I would rank it last, Walcott. Yeah.

34:47.51
Talal K
Really? Okay.

34:49.02
alexei sayle
yeah

34:50.04
Talal K
Okay. Shocking, shocking turn of events. Walcott, 1981. All right, last one. We've got Boom Boom, Out Go The Lights.

34:59.41
alexei sayle
Boom, boom. Out go the lights.

35:02.01
Talal K
TV special from 1981. Now this, I've heard this phrase so many times. And is this where, it was like a standup variety show and you're hosting it or you do a slot on it?

35:11.99
alexei sayle
Yeah. Well, paul Paul Jackson, who was the first TV executive to realise that something was going on, down at the comedy store, um persuaded his bosses at...

35:27.65
alexei sayle
who's the only young light entertainment producer, persuaded his bosses to do two kind of omni two shows. um I don't know what they're called. They're both called Boom Boom Outgo. No, the other one was called Stomping on the Cat, I think.

35:46.36
alexei sayle
A Ronnie Golden song. but but the terrible must I don't think I hosted the first one. The terrible mistake Paul made was he tried to split up the double X. So he actually, because he he thought...

35:58.17
alexei sayle
Like, well, Rick's the talented one out of Rick and Aid, and Nigel's the talented one out of Pete and Nigel, so I'll put Rick with Nigel.

36:07.77
Talal K
No.

36:08.25
alexei sayle
not on this Yes, it was a it was a very very it was a very, very bad mistake.

36:08.61
Talal K
Yeah,

36:14.65
alexei sayle
And I think it also probably caused a sick, lot aggravation between the double-X as well because they went along with it, you know.

36:14.81
Talal K
yeah because that...

36:22.36
alexei sayle
but And so it was bad. It was bad karmically, as it were, but it's also it's a misunderstanding of how double acts work, really, that there's a you know that there is a kind of a chemistry between those two performers that you can't...

36:38.74
alexei sayle
The one isn't really funnier than the other. that you know It may appear...

36:41.02
Talal K
Yeah, they're talented because they support each other and they bring the best out of each other.

36:43.73
alexei sayle
but the for Yeah. so

36:45.84
Talal K
Yeah.

36:46.55
alexei sayle
So it wasn't really very... um I think I...

36:50.55
Talal K
It was a follow-up.

36:51.96
alexei sayle
And the follow-up was called...

36:53.11
Talal K
It was a follow-up to the previous year's special of the same name.

36:53.32
alexei sayle
think it's stopper. Yeah.

36:56.35
Talal K
So they were both called Boom Boom.

36:56.86
alexei sayle
And I was the emcee of that one, yeah.

36:58.65
Talal K
Right. Um...

36:59.86
alexei sayle
And he he he he put all the double acts back together. But that's the one where I rang up my mother, I think it was Boom Boom, rang up my mother the next day, first time I was on like you know TV and said, what you think? And she said, well, Keith Allen wasn't very good either.

37:15.98
Talal K
classic line your mom roasted you uh it was included as an extra on the blu-ray release of the young ones yes um

37:17.51
alexei sayle
Classic Molly, yeah.

37:23.24
alexei sayle
Oh, really? Oh, okay. It had a weird mixture of people as well, like Maggie Steed and Paula Donizetti. They were sort of a youngish actresses. who And Pauline, actually, Pauline Melville, I think doing her character, Edie, was also in it.

37:37.46
Talal K
On the Blu-ray, ah Paul Jackson does a specially recorded introduction for it, and he described it as a fun piece.

37:42.13
alexei sayle
All right.

37:44.14
Talal K
It's much closer to what went on to become The Young Ones. You could see where Young Ones came from. And in fact, in between the recording of the two shows, I got the script of The Young Ones, which Rick and Ade and Ben had given me and ah Lisa.

37:59.51
Talal K
And we were already starting to talk about ah trying to get it on the television. All these errs and ahs are in this quote. I don't know why they've written this in.

38:07.66
alexei sayle
Yeah. i want them this I read there was this weird interview in The Telegraph with Ben, which was on my phone, because my phone for some reason lets me read articles, in The Telegraph where Ben was claiming that he he was the sole author of the pilot of The Young Ones, which I think which is apparently in his book as well.

38:11.88
Talal K
There's a trivia about you as well. Yeah.

38:26.79
Talal K
Oh my God.

38:27.14
alexei sayle
That's simply not true. and I don't know why he's... And he also says he was he was down to play Mike, to carry the character Mike, and then Rick wouldn't let him. move That was also not true. And he didn't he clearly didn't write um the pilot, The Young Ones, because, I mean, I'm credited as additional material. I wrote five minutes of it.

38:49.21
Talal K
h Yeah, I saw him on a recent

38:49.40
alexei sayle
I don't know he's trying. I think, I mean, I'm not i'm not having a go at him in a sense. I just think he's making himself unhappy. mean, he's so successful. I don't know why he has to go back in history and and claim to have done things that he didn't do, really, because he's done so many things that are.

39:06.69
alexei sayle
It's, you know, it's ah it's a very it's a very strange impulse, and if anybody wants to kind of hear

39:16.95
Talal K
ah romesh is Romesh's podcast talking about how he he's he was taking, I don't know what how much of this is true or not, but he was taking a lot of credit for Blackadder being what it was and

39:19.22
alexei sayle
o

39:31.86
alexei sayle
Well, again, I don't know. cause i was yeah didn't I think that, again, he's rather building in his own part in that. I mean, I think the real hero of Blackadder was John Lloyd, the producer, really. I mean, both Richard and Ben are both people who are not...

39:48.79
alexei sayle
ah not not people who are terribly um i hope hard on themselves. And I think what Lloydy did, which was,

39:59.73
alexei sayle
which made Blackadder in the second series really good, was that he wrote them and wouldn't accept second-rate stuff that they handed in at first, really.

40:07.77
Talal K
All right.

40:08.41
alexei sayle
I think Lloydy doesn't really get the credit that he should have got for that series, really. But again, I think... Yes, I know so many people have said that Ben has been rather...

40:19.80
alexei sayle
say it's about Because it it sort of comes across as sort of unhappiness, really, that he's he did clearly co-write Blackadder.

40:31.86
alexei sayle
ah So why why can't be happy with that and be generous with, you know, but to sort claim he's a funny boy.

40:31.93
Talal K
Which is enough, which is enough, isn't it? Yeah.

40:41.82
Talal K
All right, listeners, you heard that. Go tell Ben what what was said on this show and let's stir up some beef. Let's make some tabloid headlines.

40:49.40
alexei sayle
Well, I don't want to, I mean, I used to do that with him. I'm not doing it out of cause upset.

40:53.69
Talal K
I know.

40:55.39
alexei sayle
I'm just, I'm just, I think it'd make him happier if he just kind of laid back a bit on, know, gave other people a bit room, really.

41:04.91
Talal K
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, yeah.

41:07.38
alexei sayle
Yeah.

41:07.64
Talal K
And we strive to seek out the truth here on the Alexis L podcast as well.

41:10.46
alexei sayle
Yeah.

41:12.18
Talal K
And last bit of trivia on Boom Boom Outgo the Lights is about you, Alexi. In addition to the two characters listed, Alexis Sale also performs as his familiar Cockney mod character, though the character is unnamed.

41:25.42
Talal K
The variation of the character is called Reggie in Bomb 1982, though featured as part

41:30.21
alexei sayle
Reggie Belovsky, yeah.

41:32.02
Talal K
the Oh, the Young Ones episode.

41:32.06
alexei sayle
Yeah.

41:33.70
Talal K
the Though featured as part of Sale's stand-up, with no variation between the character and his reel.

41:34.14
alexei sayle
Yeah.

41:40.30
Talal K
Oh, great bit of trivia there, IMDb. Good work. So you're listed as playing three characters in this.

41:48.35
alexei sayle
All right.

41:49.72
Talal K
But boom, boom, out go the lights. We'll combine both episodes, both specials, as one. this is the last one we're looking at today. I want you to tell me where you rank it.

42:01.17
alexei sayle
Well, I suppose they were, you know, i mean, that's where we met Paul and that's where, he's right, that's where that relationship between um Rick and Lisa and I guess Ben was made, um which led to the young ones really.

42:18.15
alexei sayle
So, you know, it should be up there at the top.

42:22.05
Talal K
Up at the top, over above transmogrification, yeah?

42:26.20
alexei sayle
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

42:28.02
Talal K
Just because of the impact it had on everyone's career. Four dots in the olymp ellipses there. Interesting choice. What about the title? Where did that come from?

42:40.92
alexei sayle
It's from the the guest band in we're called

42:47.45
alexei sayle
with a but guest band in the first episode, were a group called Nine Below Zero, which was fronted by ex-Manfred Manfront Man, I think.

42:57.98
alexei sayle
what What was the show called again? boom but Yeah, Nine Below Zero, I think. And they had a song called, of which the chorus was, Boom, boom, out go the lights.

43:12.09
alexei sayle
little long forgotten piece of kind of East Endy pub thrash, Dr.

43:12.57
Talal K
Right. So

43:21.52
alexei sayle
Feelgood, whatever.

43:23.86
Talal K
ah so it was like a punky, rocky music reference, which is what a lot of that scene was overlapping.

43:27.26
alexei sayle
Yeah, boom, boom, out go the lights.

43:30.30
Talal K
Okay, great. So we have our first Ranking of five things. We've got in in fifth place, Wolcott. Fourth place, Lost for Words. Third place, Repeater. Second place, Transmog.

43:43.52
Talal K
Transre-smogrification. And in first place, Boom Boom, Out Go the Lights. I'm now saving this

43:49.56
alexei sayle
And stomping on the cat, which was based on a running rather unpleasant Ronnie Golden who plays Buddy Holly in the old one. Routine about, I think, where he got out of bed and stood on a kitten, I think.

44:02.88
Talal K
Fucking hell. Right.

44:04.28
alexei sayle
Oh,

44:05.67
Talal K
We'll come at this again. We'll add another five to the list. What do you think of this little segment, Lex?

44:11.40
alexei sayle
it's shit. But it's absolute shit.

44:22.93
Talal K
Great.

44:23.42
alexei sayle
Boom, boom, out go the lights. But for a drink with Richard Pryor, he gave me a Sprite. Boom, boom, out go the lights.

44:37.11
alexei sayle
Woke up on me, trousers were all ruffled. Boom, boom, out go the lights.

44:47.29
Talal K
Anything else you want to talk about?

44:50.90
alexei sayle
No, not really, don't, no.

44:54.31
Talal K
Let me send you a picture someone has. Have you got your phone on you?

44:57.82
alexei sayle
Yes.

44:59.23
Talal K
right, someone on our Patreon has sent us something.

45:04.95
alexei sayle
Boom, boom. Out of the lights.

45:08.79
Talal K
Okay, I'm sending you an image there. You can pinch to zoom to make it bigger. This is from Ian was lovely to hear John Otway get a shout out on the latest episode that that was two weeks ago now.

45:18.57
alexei sayle
Hmm.

45:20.56
Talal K
He seems like a good bloke by all accounts does Alexi have any noteworthy anecdotes from that tour?

45:20.61
alexei sayle
Hmm.

45:27.48
alexei sayle
Oh, ah let me have a think.

45:27.54
Talal K
um

45:29.65
alexei sayle
I mean, there are... forgot that many anecdotes, really, about John Otway, but... Yeah.

45:37.21
Talal K
was having a look for any contemporaneous reviews and came across this flyer. Nice to see Mr. Chariot getting the proper billing. So I've sent Alexi this image of the flyer.

45:45.02
alexei sayle
Yeah.

45:47.78
Talal K
It's ah the all new Alexi Sale Tour and Bobby Chariot plus special guest John Otway, 31st of October, Birmingham Symphony Hall.

45:51.22
alexei sayle
yeah

45:57.64
alexei sayle
That might have been the tour that I did, really, which caused me to give up.

46:05.50
Talal K
From 1995.

46:07.64
alexei sayle
yeah Yeah, that's that's it. yeah That's when I stopped.

46:09.78
Talal K
Caused you to give up?

46:11.48
alexei sayle
For 17 years, yeah.

46:14.52
Talal K
Was it that bad?

46:17.44
alexei sayle
I talked about it. I mean, no, it was a great show, people, but I'd grown sick of it, really.

46:27.22
Talal K
Are you looking at the image have you just started looking at other messages?

46:29.05
alexei sayle
Yeah.

46:30.10
Talal K
Oh, you are.

46:33.56
alexei sayle
Yeah.

46:34.36
Talal K
What do you think?

46:35.29
alexei sayle
Yeah.

46:35.99
Talal K
Does it bring back any memories, any anecdotes of John Otway? All

46:39.83
alexei sayle
ba I'll talk to Linda, see if she'll have anecdotes.

46:43.67
Talal K
right, keep stay tuned for that. We'll find out the shocking ah results of whether Raven and her cat get that delivery. um

46:52.95
alexei sayle
Still...

46:53.69
Talal K
what Mrs. Brines will do with the fortune from her Incan golden idol heads. And of course, whether Alexis L has any anecdotes of his time with John Ott way.

47:05.35
Talal K
Someone also asks, would you ever consider doing, a Brian asks, would you ever consider doing Bobby Chariot again? Who's that behind you?

47:13.02
alexei sayle
Well, he's sort of... I did try and occasionally kind of revive. His wig and his teeth are in the cupboard somewhere. But i think my teeth will... I mean, ah I'd have to get the teeth made, obviously.

47:24.95
alexei sayle
I don't think...

47:25.30
Talal K
Whoa.

47:28.22
alexei sayle
You could maybe do him on radio. I don't think I would. I love Bobby, and i You know, I'm not a great character comic, really. He's the only really, truly great character that I ever created.

47:43.06
alexei sayle
It was Bobby, really. And I loved him. And I wish I'd... I feel a slight sense of frustration. I could have perhaps done more with him. But on the other hand, I mean, those bits on the all-new Alexis Hale show, you know, written by me and Graham Lynn and Arthur Matthews, they are just stupendous, really. Yeah.

48:07.19
Talal K
Yeah, you could see him having like a Alan Partridge style sitcom, you know.

48:10.84
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, I think if I'd been more... I'd been less of a... If I'd been less stupid and more of a kind of... I'd mash it together in the 90s, then I would have...

48:24.86
alexei sayle
Yeah, I would have done more with him, really. But... And I don't...

48:28.98
Talal K
imagine...

48:29.41
alexei sayle
I mean, in Merry-Go-Round, he does... we we just He does come outside the studio. i don't know how well that works, really, but... um

48:40.36
alexei sayle
Yeah, I think I could do more with Bobby, but think probably the time's passed now.

48:48.41
Talal K
If you were to do him today in like a YouTube skit or a podcast episode or something, would you consider putting like a graying version of his wig on and doing an age?

49:02.78
Talal K
You know, he would have grown up in the interim years as well. And he'd be an aging comic now.

49:06.46
alexei sayle
Yeah. But that would lot, wouldn't I mean, I will, so... I'm not shaving my beard off, because I don't know who's underneath there.

49:14.46
Talal K
No, well, he could have a be a big white beard and the graying Afro and...

49:16.57
alexei sayle
Big white beard.

49:18.43
Talal K
Well,

49:19.40
alexei sayle
He's not a bearded man, though, is he, Bobby, really? He's not a man with a beard, i think.

49:23.90
Talal K
you never were. And look at you now.

49:26.39
alexei sayle
No, I'm... Yeah.

49:28.98
Talal K
what well do you think he What do you think has happened in his life since we last saw him?

49:33.91
alexei sayle
ah

49:34.55
Talal K
Where is he now? you know Is he still touring trying to...

49:36.22
alexei sayle
is sleeping in his jacket on pills for his nerves.

49:40.92
Talal K
Is he doing a a monthly night above a pub?

49:41.23
alexei sayle
I was, he was the set. Yeah.

49:44.26
Talal K
Emceeing a comedy night?

49:46.35
alexei sayle
He was briefly taken up by hipsters and then dropped again. I think. Um, think he's probably working as a secure night, night watchman at B and Q.

50:05.02
Talal K
Yeah, he'll go do a gig and then and then start his shift at B&Q.

50:05.38
alexei sayle
there'

50:08.63
alexei sayle
Yeah.

50:13.67
alexei sayle
Everybody's got fans, haven't they, really? So there'd be a small... i don't know if we you mean so it was well I thought that was one of the clever things about Flight the Conchords. They were you know tremendously... They had a tiny... It was only a couple of people, wasn't it?

50:27.86
Talal K
Yeah, they had one diehard fan.

50:28.44
alexei sayle
But they had a few fans. you know every There's nobody...

50:30.51
Talal K
Yeah.

50:32.92
alexei sayle
I don't know of anybody, really, any act who's so bad. that they don't have a few diehard fans, really. It's quite it's quite an interesting sort of idea, really.

50:43.86
alexei sayle
And so Bobby would have would have a few diehard fans, wouldn't these days, especially with the kind of modern irony. Yeah, he probably...

50:57.34
alexei sayle
Yeah, there'd be people who really... don't know if he could go to Comic-Con, you know.

51:01.58
Talal K
Oh, it would be a like like our dance videos.

51:03.37
alexei sayle
I don't know.

51:07.24
Talal K
He'd have a diehard TikTok followers, but they're in like South America and the Philippines.

51:10.67
alexei sayle
Mmm. ah Yeah.

51:14.78
Talal K
There's no one in fucking London, you know, no one in England.

51:17.15
alexei sayle
Nah.

51:20.41
Talal K
Right, any other any other business or shall we call it there?

51:23.16
alexei sayle
Nah. All right. Bye-bye.

51:26.26
Talal K
Wait, no, no, wait.

51:26.97
alexei sayle
but No, wait.

51:27.42
Talal K
Shit.

51:28.34
alexei sayle
What?

51:28.44
Talal K
Send us your messages on alexiscellpodcast.gmail.com.

51:28.57
alexei sayle
Who?

51:32.36
Talal K
Let us know if you have found the footage of that thing we were talking about, Lost for Words. um And please think about supporting us on Patreon, patreon.com forward slash alexiscellpodcast.

51:46.46
Talal K
You thought you were going to get away with not hearing a bloody Patreon advert.

51:49.04
alexei sayle
Bye

51:50.38
Talal K
No, no, no. Just a few quid a month means a great deal. You can keep this machine going. It's patreon.com forward slash Alexis Health Podcast. I won't bore you with telling you all of the amazing bonus features you get for being a patron member.

52:03.85
Talal K
I'll let you off light this week because I left it so late. All right. Thank you. I'm done. Let's go do an Alexi React.

52:08.94
alexei sayle
bye. Bye bye. Bye bye.