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Hello and welcome to page 94.

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Do Not Adjust Your Set.

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This is a special one-off podcast.

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Because of the big news this week,
Andy is away because he's preparing

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to run for the Manchester mayoral team
on a platform known as Hunter Murrays.

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More details on that as we get
it, but for now, Britain has a

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new prime minister in waiting.

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Andy Burnham, who won a resounding
victory and they Mayfield by-election

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and has caused Kirsten Dermot to resign.

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I am joined as ever by Adam McQueen
in his lap and guest star Matt Mure to

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talk over the big events of the week.

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Ian, I wanna start with you.

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You watched Kirsten ER's
resignation speech on a scale of

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one to 10, how moved were you?

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I was very moved 'cause it
was Monday morning, and we

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go to press Monday afternoon.

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Not only did he time it in time
for private eye press, he actually

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timed it in the middle of the
private eye editorial meeting.

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So there was a pause as we all
went and watched it on our tele

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and then reunited tearfully to say,
what the hell are we gonna do now?

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we're recording one day in advance
of it landing on newsstand.

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Did he get the cover?

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he did get the cover, but only
in the picture of a gilded coach

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coming into London with a headline.

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Andy Burnham travels to London.

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it was a coronation joke,
which we were lucky to get.

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and then underneath it said
Britain shed secure Surely tear.

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But it was an incredible thing because I'm
still scarred by the day in 2017 that we

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went to press on a Monday and Theresa May
chose nine o'clock the next morning, the

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Tuesday before we, we were even out on the
news stands to call a general election.

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So, for one thing, I will pay
tribute to secure for that one.

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Yes.

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his inadvertent humour will always win.

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he actually said without the slightest
pause, he said, I've spoken to the king.

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And I thought, Andy

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and I couldn't help myself.

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and we had a, a long list of a thing
that he's achieved and he just wanted

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to say, then why are you going?

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it didn't make any sense to me.

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I thought the best thing that he said
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parliamentary party about whether or
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the next election, and was it, I've
accepted their answer with good grace.

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All

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400 of them spoke with one voice.

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So he said in his speech, the hard
work of change was with a singular

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purpose, not power for power's sake,
but to change Britain for the better.

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So the hard work of change was
with a purpose, which was change,

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which sort of tells you everything
about the past two years really,

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this, lack of, there's no there.

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Fundamentally speaking,

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it was a no soup, but I, in the
way I think it may be, it was

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the best speech he's ever given.

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Not at least it was blessedly short.

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It had three main points.

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Basically, you've all told me to
sold off and I'm in fact sodding off.

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I would ideally like there to
be a contest, not a coronation.

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Yes.

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He thinks like he won't get that one.

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And the other thing was a, it was a,
he both did a sort of forward jab Andy

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Burnham by saying he essentially was
opening nominations for this long period.

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But also there was a backwards
jab as well at I was the one who

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transformed the labour party.

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it was, what was it?

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Electorally financially and morally.

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Morally bankrupt.

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Bankrupt.

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given that so much of his rhetoric
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about putting party like behind
country, First it was a very labour

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Speech.

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It was, I changed the Labour
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go on and win a second election.

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But that was the bit he was good at.

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that's, the strange thing about it.

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He was a very good leader of the
opposition and he did sort out the

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party, which was in a terrible state and
then he got into power and didn't seem

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to know what he wanted to do with it.

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mean, it's part of the general feeling
that I know a lot of the electorate

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do seem to have the, political class
currently has become addicted to

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campaigning rather than governing.

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And that sort of been
part of his downfall.

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Can we have a moment to say the one
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country yesterday as everyone watched
that statement, which was annoyance

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with presumably Steve Bray playing
the Ode to Joy in the background?

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Adam, I sense you've
got feelings about this.

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I had two feelings about it.

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One was just shut up.

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Just pull his plug out
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We get it.

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I know it's the 10th anniversary
and everything, but the other one

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was, guy's a banger, isn't it?

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It's joy.

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It's really good.

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As Anthems go,

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right?

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There was Za dot the priest.

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I would, but that's a very footballing
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thought that was a, sort of World
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Do the Priest, don't you think?

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I think Corona was Zat the priest.

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But maybe that's just the song.

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Get You I

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had it

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sung at my wedding.

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Aw.

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And, so the class hierarchies
of the podcast team

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are revealed enough, enough handle chat.

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It is handle right?

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Okay, good.

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I had it sung when playing George III
in the madness of, but there we go.

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Oh,

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brilliant.

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Effortlessly.

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No.

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Any advance on that.

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Literally no.

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Whatsoever you have bringing
my upbringing was culturalist.

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I had it played the first
time I rode to Hounds that No.

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Okay.

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Got nothing.

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Can we get

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back to how annoying Steve pray is?

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Yes.

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it's our irony, right?

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Which is that his right to do that
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rights legislation of the kind in which
Kirstan is in favour very strongly.

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And the right to kind of peaceful protest.

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But I did, I had exactly the same visceral
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like to hear, I felt like the teacher,
I'd like to hear what Kial is saying.

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Thank you.

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peaceful protest when you are rattling
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I'm sorry,

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what's say protesting
the concept of silence.

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this is a bit mean too.

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This is the last time ki is going
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maybe it was difficult before.

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That's quite brutally.

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I did, on the plus side at

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least it wasn't yati sacks,
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righteous backdrop to the tears.

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To one fine piece.

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Did we have his list
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Go.

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' cause my other feeling apart from pleasure
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just if any other prime minister had his
current crop of good news to boast about,

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he'd still be in, kids going, oh, yes,
the boats, they really are, they are down.

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net migration figures are down

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50% cut since last year.

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Which reflects two things, doesn't it?

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It reflects the Ukrainian scheme and
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through and the kind of what Boris wave.

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Where Boris Johnson government just
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Like they lost control of everything else.

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But yes, that is something to boast about.

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I think they may have at some point
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Inflations not looking that bad.

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there are things that other,
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boasted about and survived.

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I was watching him thinking.

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What, and you are going.

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My, my other last thought is just
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in such a classic star right way?

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Having told everyone you weren't going to.

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There was briefings about you fighting
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You've resigned.

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Finally, he went out as he
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And the other thing I felt when I
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fact that Liz trust til to her dying
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everyone was against her, that the mini
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But I do think there is also the fact
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discussing anti burnum, as we will later,
lots of the things that happened to

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Stan were genuinely out of his control.

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So sickness and disability numbers have
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that is something that he inherited.

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He didn't start the war in Iran.

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He didn't start the war in
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energy, price, and inflation.

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he didn't start COVID, as far as
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with Trump in the White House.

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Just an enormous time suck of energy,
presumably sorting all of that out.

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It was a pretty rum hand.

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But Matt, before we get too carried away
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think his biggest mistake in office was?

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having the entire country hates him, I
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But why so much?

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Why much more than, comparably
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I'm gonna base this on a lot of
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by looking at the internet Okay.

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For my job.

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but if you, look at X as, a fairly
representative sway of the Antia style,

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I really did not think when you said
filth, I thought you were gonna say he

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lost the MILFs or something like that.

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The furry vote is very important,
Helen, and we'll talk about

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that in a subsequent episode.

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I think partly because he, and this
is again no fault of is by dint

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of his profession, by dint of his,
previous role as director of public

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prosecutions, he embodies a particular
type of establishment politics, which is

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anathema to a certain sway the voter now.

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And has been since that day, 10 years
ago, that we're not gonna talk about.

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so there's partly that, I think partly
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uncharismatic about him as man,
which feels unfair and maybe cruel to

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say, but it's, also basically true.

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never got a sense that he enjoyed
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To be in the job.

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It just felt like it had fallen to him.

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It was middle management figure, and he,
didn't know what he wanted to do with it

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and didn't get any joy out of it either.

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the political class in this country
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decade, potentially longer, but
let's fix it a decade, become

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very, bad at telling the electorate
like, things aren't gonna be nice.

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we have lost the ability to hear as
a populace, I think the news that

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things are not going to be good
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about it because there are some very
good reasons outside of our control.

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it's a very hard position for any
politician to be in when you also add

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in the lack of charisma, the fundamental
mistrust of his background, et cetera.

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I, there was a, for me, a, defining
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Bin Face, who is the very brilliant
John Harvey was asked what his key

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manifesto point was and he turned, the
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electorate, he said, I'm going to lower
your taxes and raise everyone else's.

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And I think that is what the
electorate wants to hear.

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yeah, the austerity of the 2010s
protected homeowners who saw the

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house prices rise and protected
pensioners, thanks for the triple lock.

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So George Osborne had got a constituency
of people who he was telling them that

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we are really cutting back, not on, you.

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And I don't think Stama
ever achieved that.

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We should say we were quite tough,
if you remember when he just got in

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saying, why are you so miserable?

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maybe we should have been easier on
him, that he was trying to make the

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case that everything was screwed.

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Yes.

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The problem is, I see it, is that they
came in saying, we are not going to

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raise national insurance income tax
and VAT and therefore they realised

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very quickly they needed some money and
went for smaller tax rises that annoyed

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more people violent and individually
like the inheritance tax on farms,

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which again, from media relations
point of view is, and I appreciate it.

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It's very important to stress this.

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The failure of Stan as Premiership is
not about comms, it's, about politics.

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Comms is a very small part of it, but
from a media relations point of view, a

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load of very small things, they will stack
up and they feel worse than one big hit.

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Yeah.

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you say it's not about comms,
but I remember thinking, when he

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first brought in the, the farming
inheritance tax, if this had been

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pitched as, we are going to get Dyson.

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That might have been popular.

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If you say somehow, oh, it's
gonna hit all farmers, then it

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becomes very unpopular And so there
is a comms issue, isn't there?

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There is a comms element to it and it
would be really interesting to see whether

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in Stan's probable departing honours list,

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he said previously he wasn't
gonna have a resignation honour.

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number 10, this morning were, I
believe a little bit more ambivalent

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about the possibility of whether
or not that's gonna happen.

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To be fair, it's a bit like Joe Biden
pardoning and everyone on the way out.

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It's Yolo whatcha are you
gonna do not vote for me again?

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So I look forward to seeing, some Morgan
McSweeney, in the aftermath of all of

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this.

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I also do think there's a name that has
to come up here, which is he who should

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not be named, which is, Mandelson.

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Yeah.

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Which I just think was the most
enormous and avoidable screw up.

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Yeah.

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I mean it was really like, why
appoint someone that so many people

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dislike so intensely to a job?

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You don't need to appoint anyone to,
you had a perfectly good ambassador who

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got on really, well with Trump anyway.

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Why put that bomb in there
and wait for it to explode?

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It's like with Boris Johnson, everyone
forgets that what he resigned over

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actually was Chris Pincher because
Party Gate became the defining thing

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of him and the way he had to go.

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And I think it was amongst
it parliamentary party.

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It was, I think with Ki Mandelson
was exactly the same thing.

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I think from that drip of more and
more bits, bits of evidence coming

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out and paperwork and text messages.

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I think that was what was
inevitably gonna do for many,

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you're right, it's the scandal that
validates the critique that people

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already intuitively felt to be true.

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And in Boris Johnson's case, it was,
you don't pay attention to this.

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You are, you don't have the same
morality as everybody else, right?

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You just don't think you should play by
the rules of little people, which both

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Chris Pincher and Party Gate represented.

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And I think you're right.

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In the case of Stama, it was you
decide things with a little cabal,

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you don't really trust people, include
them in your decisions and you're

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supposed to be Mr Process, but you
bend the rules when you want to.

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and I really felt that Sue Grey is,
was a harbinger of that, which was

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when he was leader of the opposition.

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she went from being the neutral
civil servant investigating party

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gate to his chief of staff in
charge of preparing for government.

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Que, all the relevant authorities
signed off on it in the end, but

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it, the Tori's complained about it,
and I think not unreasonably yeah.

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But, and then she was dumped on
from a great height saying, sure.

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She hasn't done any
preparation for government.

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Yeah.

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But it's okay because Andy
Burnham has about three and a half

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hours to prepare for government.

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we're not gonna repeat
that mistake this time.

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I had to drop, a joke from the last
issue, which I thought was slightly

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poor taste, which was, the man who
pushed Auburn under the bus all those

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years ago, finally being caught out.

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And it was Starber Poor
old Sue Grey was the one.

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as we wrap this section up, we're
going to take, a chance to be

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nice, say, is everybody ready?

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Brace yourself.

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I know it doesn't come naturally.

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Can we, in the interest of
balance, name one good thing that

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to come out of the Stama era,
Adam, would you like to go first?

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I think you would have to, you would say
Ukraine generally and sticking by Ukraine.

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But I'd also say particularly that
moment after, president Zelensky was

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horribly bullied in the, Oval Office
by, by, JD Vance and President Trump.

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And there was a very, good bit of sort
of soft diplomacy after that, where he

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was brought immediately over to London.

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I think on the way back before he'd
even, he'd even gone home and there

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was an embrace in Downing Street
from Kiss arm, and then he was sent

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around to have tea with the king.

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Do you remember?

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And I just thought at that point,
that's, there's a, there's some class

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in that, so that, that bit impressed me.

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Okay.

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Ian?

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I would agree with that.

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I quite the idea of him being foreign
secretary, but I, don't suppose

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that's gonna happen immediately.

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that bit was okay.

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And I quite liked the, his response
to the riots on two occasions.

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He proved that.

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When he was DPP, he had
learned how to do this.

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We had the right, he banged people up.

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The sentences were long in they went.

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and that's a bit, of a Tory response.

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enormously

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popular.

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He did it, country.

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And so it proved that he
was capable of doing things.

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But the overall failure
is I think, one of nerve.

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It's not saying, we are bust, but I will
do the best I can in the circumstances.

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It's not saying, why on
earth would I point mantle?

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It's, not taking any of
the bolder decisions.

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hang a minute, you're you're
about to be mean about that again.

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I was gonna say last long.

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Oh, yeah.

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And in conclusion, oh yeah.

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Sorry.

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Matt,

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this is a little bit of a, still a
negative one, but harking back to right

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at the beginning of his prime ministerial
career, if you will cast your minds

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back to the, the scandal about all
the freebies that you were getting.

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Remember, freebie

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care, this, also mean

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Yeah, But the thing is,

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but you think he looked snappy.

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you know what?

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The duds were beautiful.

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but no, I think it was a good thing
because it once again, shone the spotlight

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on donations to political figures and
the possible benefits they connote.

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And when we were talking about this
earlier, had a very amazingly said,

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the Dermot Wart so Farage could run.

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and, whilst obviously the 5 billion crypto
donation story would've been one anyway,

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you do think that possibly there is, did

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you say 5 billion?

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That is a story That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, just to be very clear,
it was, one level of magnitude

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less than that, A mere million.

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I'm gonna give him credit for driving
antisemitism out of the Labour Party and

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also really purging what I'd see as a kind
of crank tendency of the kind of people

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who do Facebook posts about false flags.

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he set that as a moral mission.

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He said it one of the things that
he didn't reverse when he was

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saying that during his campaign
for leader in 2021, that he thought

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that Corbin had messed up on that.

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And he really followed that through to
the extent of expelling Corbin from the

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party, which is an extraordinary thing
to do to your immediate predecessor was

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incredibly popular within the party.

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And he did it efficiently,
and he did it quickly as well.

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that was essentially what Neil Kinnick's
job was over sort of 10 years in

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George, the Labour Party was getting
rid of militant, and the trots and the

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tanky and, all that kind of element.

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They came back in and, were, were
purged to use the phrase very,

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quickly by and effectively by starer.

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So there we go.

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Stama good on Ukraine.

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Good on Iran.

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Snappy dresser.

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So that's our roundup of ki
Starer, praise paint phrase.

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You're not, gonna get more
comprehensive than that.

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Adam, before we move on to the
sunlit uplands of Burnham, I want

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to spend a minute just talking
about the Maker Field by-election.

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So a couple of days out from it Now,
couple of things stood out to me.

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Let's talk about Restore first.

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So this is Rupert Lowe's hard right
far right party, anti-immigrant party.

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They, given that they only
existed for how many, it's a year.

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A year.

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They've,

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they've been bubbling around in

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corporate a year now based on
Rip Low, having a tiff with Nigel

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Farra and falling out and so

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many have before him.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But none of them have managed to
get, parlay the Tiff into a party

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that took 6.8%, putting them third

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In that viol election.

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Admittedly, some of the other
parties really ran paper

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candidates didn't campaign.

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Were you surprised by that?

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Do you think that's had enough attention?

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in a way, I was relieved by that result.

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'cause I think the worst possible
result for Andy Burnham would've been

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if the combined reform and restore
vote had been above what he got.

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And it was comprehensively below it was
13 points below, that, that combined vote.

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'cause the story was about

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right.

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He didn't squeaker win.

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Farra didn't get to say, oh, we
would've got it if it wasn't for

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these upstarts on, coming in, on
the, on even further right win.

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It was a very definitive
victory for, Andy Burnham.

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Yeah, it's not great.

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I had a look at the statistics on this.

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6.8% seems like enormous amount.

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We would obviously prefer there
not to be that many people voting

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for us, outrightly, racist party.

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But, I was looking at make afield
in 2010, which is kinda height of

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the BNP under Nick Gryphon, being
up there, 7.4% at that point.

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So if anything, geez, that, that
kind of element has gone down a bit.

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And certainly some of  the big, scares,
of the, so the 1990s, there's not directly

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comparable, these are cancel elections.

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But there was a point in 1993 where
A BMP counsellor got in Millwall in

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the east end with 33.9% of the vote,
again in, barking, which famously,

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but barking in Dham cancelled in 2006
before the big fight back, led by some

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Margaret Hodge, which West Streeting
was also very involved in, 17.2% there.

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And that made them the official
opposition on that council.

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So again, not directly comparable parties,
not directly comparable situations, but we

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have been in situations like this before
where, the extreme right as opposed to

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just the right wing, come in and take
a substantial proportion of the vote.

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but it's not, to say it isn't concerning,

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I was really interested in for another
reason, which is you had a plausible

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reform victory in that seat, at
least on, on paper as it, as you say,

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it turns out that Burnham won very
convincingly, but that there were

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6.8% of the electorate who didn't care
about getting a reform candidate in.

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They, wanted so strongly to register
their protest about the, direction they

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feel the country's going, that they were
prepared to do that at the expense of

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getting a right wing anti-immigration
candidate against somebody who's

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seen as being relatively now the
soft left, left of the Labour Party.

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That's quite, we wanna burn things down
more than Nigel Farage who sells himself

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as Mr. Burn things down drain the swamp.

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I think this is where it makes, it
really does make it Nigel's problem.

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That was very obvious in one
of his many petulant videos

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that he's put out recently.

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But the one direct obvious, he
said, what more do you want from me?

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I'm the right wing.

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Hope you have to vote for me.

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The one in the field.

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That

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one, yes,

476
00:19:26,808 --> 00:19:26,828
that one,

477
00:19:26,828 --> 00:19:27,193
yes.

478
00:19:27,553 --> 00:19:27,853
yeah.

479
00:19:29,023 --> 00:19:32,113
but I think in a lot of ways the worst
thing that could possibly ever have

480
00:19:32,113 --> 00:19:35,563
happened to Nigel Ra was getting elected
to Parliament on his eighth attempt.

481
00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:39,433
because that and the various scandals
that have blown up around him, we

482
00:19:39,433 --> 00:19:41,833
keep coming back to the 5 million
pound donation, which he is still

483
00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:44,713
to this day, saying he was under no
obligation to declare and he could

484
00:19:44,713 --> 00:19:46,093
have spent it on anything he wanted to.

485
00:19:46,093 --> 00:19:47,353
And it's none of anyone else's business.

486
00:19:48,171 --> 00:19:50,631
That and all of the outside
jobs that he now has to put

487
00:19:50,631 --> 00:19:51,441
in the register of interest.

488
00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,961
So we're aware of just how much time
he's spending on everything else and

489
00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:57,021
how much money he's raking in from
crypto and cameo and all of these kind

490
00:19:57,021 --> 00:19:59,031
of dodgy side gigs that he's doing.

491
00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:02,691
All of these things serve to make him
look like an establishment politician.

492
00:20:02,991 --> 00:20:06,351
In the eyes of people who have decided, as
you were saying, Matt, that's the ongoing

493
00:20:06,351 --> 00:20:08,991
narrative at the moment as we don't
like establishment politicians anymore.

494
00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:13,720
that's interesting 'cause my view is
always what a terrific spiv he is.

495
00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:14,260
Yes.

496
00:20:14,290 --> 00:20:18,730
He's quite clearly a man who's trying
to sell you nylons and say, hello, lady,

497
00:20:18,730 --> 00:20:20,260
I've got some of this up my sleeve.

498
00:20:20,860 --> 00:20:23,170
and suddenly your view is, oh no.

499
00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:26,950
For most people he's just bang in
the middle of the establishment now.

500
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:27,850
And I'm thinking, but Oh,

501
00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:30,880
I think, no, I think it was that,
but I think that appealed to a

502
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,130
lot of people because he felt like
he was the outsider and he was

503
00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:34,150
coming in and giving a bloody nose.

504
00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:37,600
all those speeches he used to give when
he was an MEP where he was incredibly

505
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,120
rude to various sort of Belgian, figures.

506
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:40,660
Yeah.

507
00:20:40,910 --> 00:20:42,700
And, which were then clipped
up mean he was very early on.

508
00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:45,700
We'll talk about this in a bit, but
for YouTube and for social media,

509
00:20:46,210 --> 00:20:47,260
that was, his kind of appeal.

510
00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,930
That he was this upstart coming
in and he hasn't got that appeal.

511
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,620
Rupert Lowe has stolen not only a
significant proportion of the people

512
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,680
voting for him, but his clothes as well,
effectively, that he is now coming in.

513
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:58,480
Again, this is extraordinary
how he's done this.

514
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,870
'cause Ru Lowe is your classic kind of
red trouser kind of Tory he has stolen

515
00:21:01,870 --> 00:21:01,960
his

516
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,110
clothes.

517
00:21:02,110 --> 00:21:02,410
Country.

518
00:21:02,615 --> 00:21:03,465
Country man.

519
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:05,350
True.

520
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,970
but he really has taken the whole shtick
and turned it into someone who is not only

521
00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:13,240
further to the right, but more, feels like
more of an anti-establishment outsider.

522
00:21:13,450 --> 00:21:15,100
And Farage has gotta find
a way of polling that.

523
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:18,220
He's got probably less, there is a
Snap general election court, which

524
00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:19,570
I think is probably very unlikely.

525
00:21:19,690 --> 00:21:23,140
He's got another three or four years
to get through this as that man in

526
00:21:23,140 --> 00:21:26,230
Westminster who has somehow still got to
convince us all that he is an outsider.

527
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:26,770
You are right.

528
00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:26,860
Though.

529
00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:30,040
There was a sense that he was a kind
of English folkloric character who

530
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,630
could be played by David Jason, right?

531
00:21:31,630 --> 00:21:31,690
Yeah.

532
00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:32,740
He could have been Del Boy.

533
00:21:32,770 --> 00:21:32,980
Yeah.

534
00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:34,570
He could have been Paul Larkin.

535
00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:34,690
Yeah.

536
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,110
George

537
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:35,500
Cole

538
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,030
keeping things off the books a bit.

539
00:21:37,030 --> 00:21:40,570
But, Wheeler dealer geezer kind
of stuff and being in Parliament

540
00:21:40,570 --> 00:21:42,520
has diminished that slightly.

541
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,000
'cause he ki it's toned down some
of his wheeler dealer ishness

542
00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:47,440
and he's not very good in parliament.

543
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,460
No, but he's never there.

544
00:21:48,865 --> 00:21:49,465
he also looks I that

545
00:21:49,465 --> 00:21:49,785
could help.

546
00:21:49,945 --> 00:21:50,145
Yeah.

547
00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:55,090
but they, pick on the other boys pick on
him a bit in Parliament, but, I thought

548
00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:59,230
that Lib Dems had a very effective ad
post Brexit, now 10 years on, which was

549
00:21:59,525 --> 00:22:03,700
the, he the head headline about, I got
the 5 million for as a reward for Brexit.

550
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:06,970
And it said something like, Nigel Ra has
had a really good 10 years financially.

551
00:22:06,970 --> 00:22:07,480
Have you?

552
00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:08,020
Yeah.

553
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:11,500
Which is the same thing that the Democrats
are trying to run in the midterms against

554
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:15,220
Donald Trump, which is the Trump family
has had a really great Trump presidency.

555
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,090
Have you?

556
00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:16,150
Yeah.

557
00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:19,630
And in both cases, you contrast
the personal wealth and cash inness

558
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:22,780
of the ruling person versus the
fact that normal people's living

559
00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:24,790
standards have been really crunched.

560
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,470
Let's talk, money in the
sense of digital campaigning.

561
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:29,680
Yeah.

562
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:32,710
So Politico influence had a really
interesting story about the fact that

563
00:22:33,130 --> 00:22:36,220
basically the reform campaign just pulled.

564
00:22:36,796 --> 00:22:39,916
Their money out in of, digital
platforms in the last couple of weeks.

565
00:22:39,946 --> 00:22:42,106
They just really weren't
spending a lot of money at all.

566
00:22:42,761 --> 00:22:44,146
the, there's, a couple of things.

567
00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:47,386
So firstly, yes,  reform, spent
significantly less than labour who

568
00:22:47,386 --> 00:22:50,806
outspent everybody, as you can imagine,
because, they have a lot of vested

569
00:22:50,806 --> 00:22:52,246
interest in winning that seats.

570
00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:54,136
but reform have got a lot of cash on hand

571
00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:57,406
reform have got a lot of cash on hand,
but it's also worth remembering that they

572
00:22:57,406 --> 00:23:02,956
spent, a genuinely huge amount of money
in the runup to the local elections.

573
00:23:02,956 --> 00:23:03,071
Ah, okay.

574
00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:06,346
the council elections, it's also
worth remembering that, there, there

575
00:23:06,346 --> 00:23:10,276
is a, the cap on local election
spent on a, by election spend, sorry,

576
00:23:10,276 --> 00:23:12,001
it's 180 k, like it's not a lot.

577
00:23:12,001 --> 00:23:12,856
And that's everything.

578
00:23:12,856 --> 00:23:13,936
And that includes advertising.

579
00:23:14,116 --> 00:23:14,936
So that's hard to

580
00:23:15,121 --> 00:23:15,471
money.

581
00:23:15,471 --> 00:23:17,356
I had to write up for the Atlantic
for the American readers and I was

582
00:23:17,356 --> 00:23:19,426
just like, these, I'm gonna mention
some sums of money, which you are

583
00:23:19,426 --> 00:23:20,986
just going to find insultingly small.

584
00:23:21,376 --> 00:23:25,396
It was like he spent 500 pounds pushing
Robert Kenyon's advert on Facebook.

585
00:23:25,576 --> 00:23:28,906
So for comparison, there was a special
election to the Wisconsin Supreme

586
00:23:28,906 --> 00:23:32,296
Court last year that Elon Musk got
involved in Elon Musk, put in 20 million

587
00:23:32,446 --> 00:23:34,306
overall people put in 90 million.

588
00:23:34,386 --> 00:23:36,636
And I was like, meanwhile we
are going, oh, they, they only

589
00:23:36,636 --> 00:23:38,826
spent 250 pounds on Facebook.

590
00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:39,921
Makes be rather proud.

591
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:43,476
I know like the bit when Andy Burnham
had to receipt, like you hear the

592
00:23:43,476 --> 00:23:47,346
count between count bin face and
a guy to the for dressed as a fox.

593
00:23:47,826 --> 00:23:48,696
I thought yes, it was stupid.

594
00:23:48,906 --> 00:23:52,716
camp bin Face told me personally, good
thing I chose the letter B 'cause it meant

595
00:23:52,716 --> 00:23:54,606
the camera would be on me and Burnham.

596
00:23:54,961 --> 00:23:56,976
Ah, it's very good.

597
00:23:56,976 --> 00:23:57,936
You're gonna account trashcan.

598
00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:00,126
It'd have been impro, but, so yeah.

599
00:24:00,126 --> 00:24:03,156
So so was it just that they decided
they'd spent their money in the

600
00:24:03,156 --> 00:24:06,306
locals where they did really well
and they, and then presumably they

601
00:24:06,306 --> 00:24:08,286
realised that they weren't winning it?

602
00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:08,976
There's a few things.

603
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,856
I think their internal polling would've
told them that it was very unlikely that

604
00:24:11,856 --> 00:24:13,956
they were going to win the seats, so
there's no point committing the cash.

605
00:24:14,706 --> 00:24:18,126
secondly, they had a candidate
who had become toxic, as a result

606
00:24:18,126 --> 00:24:22,026
of social media posts and his
fundamentally appalling performances

607
00:24:22,056 --> 00:24:23,766
in a variety of broadcast situations.

608
00:24:23,826 --> 00:24:25,116
Like he didn't do himself any favours.

609
00:24:25,116 --> 00:24:25,656
That didn't help.

610
00:24:26,046 --> 00:24:28,566
And then the Farage brand, which
is obviously what you would be

611
00:24:28,566 --> 00:24:32,706
using traditionally for this as
well, has also suffered something,

612
00:24:32,766 --> 00:24:34,626
wait, suffered, 5 million hits.

613
00:24:35,076 --> 00:24:36,186
it turns out crypto shaped costs.

614
00:24:36,547 --> 00:24:39,997
Although I think what is interesting
and what's important to look at is

615
00:24:39,997 --> 00:24:42,337
the Restore spent a lot of money.

616
00:24:42,675 --> 00:24:45,585
Restored, were almost up
there with the Labour party.

617
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:46,095
Do you mean Boulogne parks?

618
00:24:46,395 --> 00:24:49,305
we're talking, they spent about 30
grand in the last, in the last month

619
00:24:49,305 --> 00:24:54,335
or so, which is, it's, only about 20
shy of what labour spent,  and I think

620
00:24:54,335 --> 00:24:56,915
the other thing that's worth bearing
in mind about the way in which all this

621
00:24:56,915 --> 00:25:00,185
works now is that firstly you don't have
to spend a lot of money for additional

622
00:25:00,185 --> 00:25:01,715
advertising to be incredibly effective.

623
00:25:01,715 --> 00:25:03,875
There's a reason these
companies make a lot of money.

624
00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:07,805
It's 'cause the ads are really good and
they work and you can reach targeted

625
00:25:07,805 --> 00:25:09,125
people with 500 pounds, et cetera.

626
00:25:09,305 --> 00:25:11,585
But the other thing is that
because this is all done by AI now,

627
00:25:11,615 --> 00:25:14,585
basically the way you do ads these
days, if you use meta platforms,

628
00:25:15,455 --> 00:25:18,425
picking the targeting of, people
not drawing up the ads themselves.

629
00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:24,065
frankly, you can literally just chuck
a website at it and it'll, and tell

630
00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:27,035
it, make me a bunch of ads that reflect
this website and it'll do that for

631
00:25:27,035 --> 00:25:29,285
you and it'll pun 'em out and it'll
do the targeting for you, et cetera.

632
00:25:29,435 --> 00:25:33,395
Which means that the idea of locally
mandated spending and things that

633
00:25:33,395 --> 00:25:36,215
specifically from it, like you can
run all your ads through the national

634
00:25:36,215 --> 00:25:39,275
campaign if the eye decides that it's
gonna show them to people in maker afield.

635
00:25:39,863 --> 00:25:43,013
need to be less targeted than you
used to be because the AI will

636
00:25:43,013 --> 00:25:47,843
naturally deliver the content to
places where it is performing best,

637
00:25:47,843 --> 00:25:51,533
which are likely to be places where
elections taking place, for example.

638
00:25:51,658 --> 00:25:55,583
and you've made this point that this is
just a way round for very rich people to

639
00:25:55,583 --> 00:25:59,153
spend as much money as they like and say,
no, the electoral rules do not apply.

640
00:25:59,693 --> 00:26:03,323
my, my favourite one currently
is the, other shadow media

641
00:26:03,323 --> 00:26:04,703
ecosystem that exists around this.

642
00:26:04,703 --> 00:26:06,683
And the other reason that reform
may be think they don't have to

643
00:26:06,683 --> 00:26:09,653
spend quite as big on advertising
generally is because so much of

644
00:26:09,653 --> 00:26:11,033
the organic stuff is done for them.

645
00:26:11,459 --> 00:26:12,143
But then there's

646
00:26:12,143 --> 00:26:12,473
explain,

647
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:15,770
firstly, there's the entire right
wing media ecosystem on X, which is

648
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:18,170
fundamentally a place now where the
only views where you'll ever get

649
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:20,870
any traction are ones that broadly
align with those of the, yeah.

650
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,790
Elon Musk has put his thumb on that scale.

651
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:25,970
there is an algorithmic scale
and he is holding it down.

652
00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:28,880
so you get a lot of free stuff from that.

653
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:31,940
obviously as we all know, over the
course of the past 15 years, we've

654
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:34,520
learned that the outrage economy
does very well on social media for

655
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,570
a variety of different reasons.

656
00:26:35,847 --> 00:26:39,087
And then there's the other thing now,
which is obviously the new wave of, we

657
00:26:39,087 --> 00:26:41,757
used to call the citizen journalists, but
they now have a new name for themselves.

658
00:26:41,757 --> 00:26:42,897
They call themselves auditors.

659
00:26:44,432 --> 00:26:45,297
are you, aware of this happened?

660
00:26:45,297 --> 00:26:46,052
You've come across this haven,

661
00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:46,532
you Yeah, I know.

662
00:26:46,532 --> 00:26:49,137
As soon as people really start
getting those bloody meta sunglasses

663
00:26:49,137 --> 00:26:51,837
constantly that we're all like,
life as we know it is over.

664
00:26:51,837 --> 00:26:53,292
Oh, it'll just be people
filming you all the time

665
00:26:53,292 --> 00:26:53,692
constantly.

666
00:26:53,692 --> 00:26:55,077
We have so much to look forward
to coming down the line.

667
00:26:55,617 --> 00:27:00,057
but so basically, briefly speaking, this
is a kind of type of content production

668
00:27:00,057 --> 00:27:05,547
that gained prominence and popularity
coming off the back of, Charlie Kirk and

669
00:27:05,547 --> 00:27:09,987
his Turning Point organisation in the US
where Kirk was, made himself famous  by

670
00:27:09,987 --> 00:27:14,420
going to campuses and debating people
on issues of  cultural war flashpoints.

671
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:14,640
right.

672
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,550
So the classic thing is you go to say
a Gaza protest and you say something

673
00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:18,990
like, how do you define sexually?

674
00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:19,680
And they go, I'm gay.

675
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,420
And they go, how do you think
that will go on in Gaza?

676
00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:22,320
And they go Ooh.

677
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:24,120
'cause they haven't really thought of it.

678
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,040
And it's a, amazing gotcha clip.

679
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:26,400
Yeah.

680
00:27:26,588 --> 00:27:27,390
Rack up the views.

681
00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:29,927
Everybody goes home for,
tea and money from TikTok.

682
00:27:29,987 --> 00:27:30,557
Exactly that.

683
00:27:30,557 --> 00:27:32,867
And the same playbook is being run here.

684
00:27:32,867 --> 00:27:35,237
So you have a bunch of right-wing
people going, doing very similar stunts.

685
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:39,467
If you look at a lot of the footage that
was captured around the, I was gonna

686
00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:43,457
say protest, but we can call them riots,
can't we, in Southampton and Belfast?

687
00:27:43,997 --> 00:27:48,557
as long as we're not Beverly
Turner, who seemed quite incapable

688
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:52,847
of spotting a riot, who told Matt
Stalin that there were no riots,

689
00:27:53,563 --> 00:27:56,743
so yes, if you look at the footage from
Southampton and Belfast, there are an

690
00:27:56,743 --> 00:28:00,283
awful lot of people there who are filming
this because they're doing it for content.

691
00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:01,843
they're not necessarily filming unrest.

692
00:28:01,843 --> 00:28:05,203
They're filming interviews with people who
have strong feelings about immigration.

693
00:28:05,443 --> 00:28:09,523
And this content, again, goes far and wide
and a lot of people make money from it.

694
00:28:09,583 --> 00:28:09,973
And then I

695
00:28:10,033 --> 00:28:12,943
think my favourite bit of this was
Tommy Robinson, Steven y actually

696
00:28:12,943 --> 00:28:18,283
then, and egging on some of this from
Moscow, slightly tipping the hand

697
00:28:18,703 --> 00:28:22,813
where he was with Elon Musk, Errol,
because everyone knows everyone.

698
00:28:22,963 --> 00:28:23,263
But you

699
00:28:23,263 --> 00:28:27,253
also, in the week when our prime
minister, who is still prime minister, is

700
00:28:27,253 --> 00:28:30,613
revealed to have been attacked by Russia.

701
00:28:30,613 --> 00:28:30,623
Yeah.

702
00:28:30,623 --> 00:28:30,643
By Russia.

703
00:28:30,643 --> 00:28:30,798
Yeah.

704
00:28:30,883 --> 00:28:31,183
I know.

705
00:28:32,203 --> 00:28:33,643
It's an absolute extraordinary, and
there's an incident in the channel

706
00:28:33,673 --> 00:28:38,323
of a Russian warship, and yet
there's a vast group of patriotic

707
00:28:38,323 --> 00:28:40,513
people online saying hurrah.

708
00:28:41,053 --> 00:28:43,063
for Tommy Robinson and
his views on Russia,

709
00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:46,423
we share a lot of, important
Christian values with Russia.

710
00:28:46,423 --> 00:28:47,743
I think you'll find is the argument there.

711
00:28:47,743 --> 00:28:49,723
Ian, delve into that however you like.

712
00:28:49,753 --> 00:28:49,813
Yeah.

713
00:28:49,813 --> 00:28:51,373
Anti-feminist, anti LGBT,

714
00:28:51,373 --> 00:28:51,463
right?

715
00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:52,393
Yes, exactly.

716
00:28:52,813 --> 00:28:53,923
can I just, read you out?

717
00:28:53,923 --> 00:28:54,133
Great.

718
00:28:54,313 --> 00:28:55,843
You, mentioned, Nigel Fra.

719
00:28:55,903 --> 00:28:57,973
He was curiously absent
from this campaign.

720
00:28:58,813 --> 00:29:01,573
we had a great number crunch in the
magazine that's, currently on shelves.

721
00:29:01,997 --> 00:29:05,177
press conference is Nigel Fage
held January to April this year.

722
00:29:05,267 --> 00:29:05,927
Wanna guess?

723
00:29:07,317 --> 00:29:08,067
those are million

724
00:29:08,217 --> 00:29:08,457
three

725
00:29:08,517 --> 00:29:09,549
20. Very good.

726
00:29:09,657 --> 00:29:10,257
Very good.

727
00:29:10,317 --> 00:29:11,097
Alarmingly good.

728
00:29:12,087 --> 00:29:12,597
I love him.

729
00:29:12,717 --> 00:29:15,297
Press conferences held in the
seven weeks after it was revealed.

730
00:29:15,297 --> 00:29:17,187
He took 5 million pounds
from Christopher Harbin.

731
00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:17,982
two.

732
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:21,479
So he's, really dropped down the
frequency of the press conferences

733
00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:25,049
and I think as the media round this
week shows he's not really managed to

734
00:29:25,049 --> 00:29:28,709
live with a kind of great glacially,
shrugging off the 5 million pounds.

735
00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:32,159
He said he's going for what I would refer
to as a kind of classic Jeremy Corbin

736
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:36,059
Touchiness level about it, where he's
just angry that someone's raised this

737
00:29:36,179 --> 00:29:37,949
brilliant, I'm a defining
moment in the taxi.

738
00:29:38,849 --> 00:29:43,529
when I was obviously talking about
Nigel Raj, and he said, he got a

739
00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:45,299
hard time on Julia Hartley brewer.

740
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:47,939
And I thought, unlikely it's over then.

741
00:29:48,784 --> 00:29:49,074
yeah.

742
00:29:49,349 --> 00:29:50,939
And a hard time from Nick Ferrari as well.

743
00:29:50,939 --> 00:29:53,369
So people who would normally,
think would be very sort

744
00:29:53,369 --> 00:29:55,139
of, it's alright, he's got Bev
Turner, he can fall back on.

745
00:29:55,139 --> 00:29:57,239
She will definitely give
him a, give him, an easy go.

746
00:29:57,419 --> 00:29:59,759
I think it's really interesting that the
press conference thing is just come back

747
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,399
to what you were saying about parties
being permanently on campaign mode.

748
00:30:03,179 --> 00:30:06,509
because that effectively, that was a
thing that that reform and forage took

749
00:30:06,509 --> 00:30:07,499
from the Trump playbook, wasn't it?

750
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:10,259
It's basically these aren't just press
conferences, it like rallies and there

751
00:30:10,259 --> 00:30:13,379
were fireworks going off and the bus was
in the hall and all this kind of thing.

752
00:30:13,739 --> 00:30:16,349
And then suddenly that what there are
a lot less keen on is actual press

753
00:30:16,349 --> 00:30:19,349
conferences where sort of difficult
questions might get asked about topics

754
00:30:19,349 --> 00:30:20,429
you are a bit embarrassed about.

755
00:30:20,429 --> 00:30:22,349
And, and, might have to answer.

756
00:30:23,184 --> 00:30:26,374
there's a genuine sense that possibly
for the first time actually, and, I'm

757
00:30:26,374 --> 00:30:28,594
trying to think back over the course
of the past decade or longer that

758
00:30:28,594 --> 00:30:31,504
I've had to be aware of that man's
existence, but possibly the first

759
00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:33,154
time it feels like he's been wounded.

760
00:30:33,694 --> 00:30:34,054
Yeah.

761
00:30:34,054 --> 00:30:38,074
But mean, which I don't remember
from previous, rounds of this Ill to

762
00:30:38,074 --> 00:30:40,174
be more generous and say
it's a sense of guilt.

763
00:30:40,289 --> 00:30:41,149
No, I don't think that's true.

764
00:30:41,419 --> 00:30:43,744
They are still, I mean they are
still, we should say this is in the

765
00:30:43,744 --> 00:30:46,714
shadow of them still being very much
at the top of Paul's nationally.

766
00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:46,749
Yeah.

767
00:30:46,989 --> 00:30:47,109
Yeah.

768
00:30:47,434 --> 00:30:47,524
So

769
00:30:47,854 --> 00:30:50,884
to go back to the restore point very
briefly, which, Adam was talking about

770
00:30:50,884 --> 00:30:55,114
earlier, I, want to make this point
very, strongly because I still don't

771
00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:56,584
think anybody's really looking at this.

772
00:30:57,144 --> 00:31:01,794
so Tommy Robinson, sorry, Steven Yaxley
Lenon, over the weekend in the wake

773
00:31:01,854 --> 00:31:06,254
of, , a whole bunch of posts about
the grooming gangs and Rupert Lowe's

774
00:31:06,254 --> 00:31:07,784
inquiry into it and the results thereof.

775
00:31:08,054 --> 00:31:13,512
He posted something, over the weekend
which featured , an image of, men who

776
00:31:13,512 --> 00:31:19,512
looked like they were of, south Asian
origin, all basically hanging from nooses

777
00:31:19,572 --> 00:31:22,452
with, the caption Pakistani rope gangs.

778
00:31:22,782 --> 00:31:25,332
And that has now reached obviously
millions and millions of people

779
00:31:25,392 --> 00:31:28,242
now, Tommy Robinson, Stephen,
the Axe Lenon has a verified ex

780
00:31:28,242 --> 00:31:29,922
account that is monetizable content.

781
00:31:29,922 --> 00:31:31,002
He's going to get paid for that.

782
00:31:31,362 --> 00:31:34,572
This feels like something that there
should, it is, it should be within the

783
00:31:34,572 --> 00:31:37,092
gift of legislation to perhaps address

784
00:31:37,429 --> 00:31:40,969
we know this is Elon Musk's
devotion to freedom of speech.

785
00:31:40,969 --> 00:31:43,699
'cause he just sued a European
broadcaster for saying something

786
00:31:43,699 --> 00:31:48,589
about him, which I thought, the
irony on so would absolutely break.

787
00:31:49,009 --> 00:31:53,839
you are in charge of X, which contains
the most disgusting untruths and

788
00:31:53,959 --> 00:31:57,589
inflammatory remarks about everyone
yet something about yourself.

789
00:31:57,829 --> 00:31:58,639
Not acceptable.

790
00:31:58,819 --> 00:32:02,119
Yeah, just metas shutting up Sarai,
Wynn Williams 'cause of her book about

791
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,189
Facebook, we're a free speech platform.

792
00:32:04,189 --> 00:32:06,409
We can't be held responsible
for anything, but we have very

793
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:07,639
strong opinions about other people

794
00:32:10,016 --> 00:32:13,166
So finally the Andy Burnham.

795
00:32:13,946 --> 00:32:14,571
I don't say Rike.

796
00:32:14,571 --> 00:32:16,331
That sounds necessarily restorative.

797
00:32:16,631 --> 00:32:17,851
Can we call it the Burn Renaissance?

798
00:32:18,031 --> 00:32:19,796
The Be Renaissance is about to happen.

799
00:32:20,906 --> 00:32:21,086
Matt.

800
00:32:21,086 --> 00:32:21,386
Brilliant.

801
00:32:21,724 --> 00:32:23,666
What are you most excited
about in the Burn Renaissance?

802
00:32:23,936 --> 00:32:25,286
I'm excited about his eyelashes.

803
00:32:25,796 --> 00:32:26,606
Do you know what he wants?

804
00:32:26,606 --> 00:32:29,036
Was called the Minister for
Mascara by the Daily Mail.

805
00:32:29,096 --> 00:32:31,766
Honestly, I, after question, time,
appearance, and he had to clarify that

806
00:32:31,766 --> 00:32:33,296
he does not in fact wear eye makeup up.

807
00:32:33,366 --> 00:32:36,006
what I'm most looking forward to
is everyone realising that he's

808
00:32:36,006 --> 00:32:37,326
just another Blairite politician.

809
00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:39,786
is Blairite and Brownout,
which is a kind of impressive,

810
00:32:39,816 --> 00:32:40,836
and for a while, Corbin, he's

811
00:32:40,836 --> 00:32:41,496
fairly carbonite for

812
00:32:41,496 --> 00:32:41,736
me.

813
00:32:43,296 --> 00:32:44,586
I don't see the problem here.

814
00:32:44,586 --> 00:32:45,576
He covers all the bases.

815
00:32:45,936 --> 00:32:46,176
Yeah.

816
00:32:46,806 --> 00:32:47,406
I agree with you.

817
00:32:47,406 --> 00:32:47,916
And that's my one.

818
00:32:48,006 --> 00:32:48,276
He's gonna

819
00:32:48,276 --> 00:32:49,236
unite the party

820
00:32:49,356 --> 00:32:51,186
in hatred against him like Ki Starer did.

821
00:32:51,486 --> 00:32:53,856
That's my worry is that Ki
Starer also thought he was above

822
00:32:53,856 --> 00:32:55,626
labour factionism as he put it.

823
00:32:55,776 --> 00:33:00,186
But what you call labour factionism is
often different ideological tendencies.

824
00:33:00,336 --> 00:33:01,956
And it, you have an approach
to seeing the world.

825
00:33:02,226 --> 00:33:05,526
I'm not confident at the moment that I
know which Andy Burnham we're gonna get.

826
00:33:06,126 --> 00:33:06,991
this is the argument at the moment.

827
00:33:06,991 --> 00:33:08,351
They're saying someone should
stand against him and it

828
00:33:08,351 --> 00:33:09,216
shouldn't be a coronation.

829
00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:12,816
But they're not, Wes treating
dropped out almost immediately.

830
00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:13,836
Didn't he said he wasn't gonna stand.

831
00:33:14,136 --> 00:33:16,866
Angela Rena seems to have exited
the field, anyway, so we assume

832
00:33:16,866 --> 00:33:19,536
she's gonna get offered some
major job in a, Burnham cabinet.

833
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:24,036
so far we've got, Al Kanes who's
making it very clear that, that he

834
00:33:24,036 --> 00:33:27,666
is the hard man of labour who, who
keeps putting out these videos.

835
00:33:27,816 --> 00:33:31,506
Not just the, jogging is now
compulsory of your political account.

836
00:33:31,506 --> 00:33:33,096
You have to be, videoed, jogging.

837
00:33:33,096 --> 00:33:37,266
But he's, he's, videoing himself whilst
jogging and talking to camera just

838
00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:38,556
to prove he's not even out of breath.

839
00:33:38,706 --> 00:33:39,871
And did you see the one
with the fireman, he's

840
00:33:39,871 --> 00:33:40,716
not jogging fast enough for then.

841
00:33:41,016 --> 00:33:41,676
Exactly.

842
00:33:41,856 --> 00:33:43,026
Did you see the one
with the fireman though?

843
00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:43,818
He

844
00:33:43,818 --> 00:33:46,458
goes into a fire station and
starts doing chin up, competing

845
00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:47,538
with a farm and it's we get it.

846
00:33:47,538 --> 00:33:47,838
Love you.

847
00:33:47,838 --> 00:33:48,438
Really, Butch.

848
00:33:48,438 --> 00:33:49,008
It's okay.

849
00:33:49,158 --> 00:33:49,998
You are in the Army.

850
00:33:50,088 --> 00:33:51,168
Does he go down the pole?

851
00:33:51,228 --> 00:33:51,738
No, they don't know.

852
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:51,768
He

853
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:52,188
doesn't go.

854
00:33:52,188 --> 00:33:52,278
They

855
00:33:52,278 --> 00:33:52,518
don't have to.

856
00:33:52,518 --> 00:33:52,728
Why don't they?

857
00:33:53,268 --> 00:33:55,913
Surely you want one thing, that's
all you'd want do in the fire

858
00:33:55,913 --> 00:33:57,073
station is Can I go down the pole?

859
00:33:57,223 --> 00:33:57,793
Come on Al.

860
00:33:57,853 --> 00:34:00,763
Even he isn't gonna do,
I'm going down the pole.

861
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:01,303
Yes.

862
00:34:01,603 --> 00:34:02,593
Just before an election.

863
00:34:02,653 --> 00:34:03,493
Cut on he climb up the poll.

864
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:04,273
Maybe that would be the,

865
00:34:04,483 --> 00:34:07,543
but he seems to be very much
positioning himself as a, candidate.

866
00:34:07,558 --> 00:34:09,898
The problem I have with Al Ks is I
feel like I lived through this before

867
00:34:09,898 --> 00:34:11,398
with Dan Jarvis, if you remember.

868
00:34:11,398 --> 00:34:12,418
They were like, he's a soldier.

869
00:34:12,478 --> 00:34:14,248
Do you know he's, he probably
kills people with his thumbs.

870
00:34:14,248 --> 00:34:18,238
It does feel like every political cycle
needs one hard man who has set proudly.

871
00:34:18,238 --> 00:34:19,888
I will take a bullet for my country.

872
00:34:19,918 --> 00:34:21,268
I miss Steve Baker, the hard man.

873
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:24,238
So he'll be doing videoing himself.

874
00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:25,498
Having a fight with Al Kane soon.

875
00:34:25,498 --> 00:34:26,488
They won't be able to resist it.

876
00:34:26,847 --> 00:34:27,897
And what is the rationale?

877
00:34:27,927 --> 00:34:29,547
We need a debate in the Labour Party.

878
00:34:30,237 --> 00:34:30,777
have you not noticed?

879
00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:32,432
They're quite good at it.

880
00:34:32,577 --> 00:34:38,487
The debate largely is, should I be leader
or should you they're doing that bit.

881
00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:39,057
That's the thing.

882
00:34:39,057 --> 00:34:43,377
I wouldn't mind if it were a debate
between the labour, The kind of, where

883
00:34:43,407 --> 00:34:47,757
Streeting and is ease with privatisation
or Shabana Mahmud and her ease with quite

884
00:34:47,757 --> 00:34:52,797
draconian, immigration restrictions versus
the soft left or versus the hard left.

885
00:34:53,037 --> 00:34:57,117
But at the moment, we're just going to
have an argument that there has no real

886
00:34:57,117 --> 00:34:58,557
substance to it, as far as I can see.

887
00:34:58,657 --> 00:34:58,747
But

888
00:34:58,747 --> 00:35:00,397
do you think he's sewn it all up?

889
00:35:00,397 --> 00:35:03,337
So Shaba mood is clearly
gonna stay his home secretary.

890
00:35:03,787 --> 00:35:05,137
I think he'll ha I think he will shuffle.

891
00:35:05,347 --> 00:35:08,377
he's, he seems to be playing it quite
well in that he's dangling a lot of,

892
00:35:08,737 --> 00:35:11,617
the chancellorship in front of quite a
few people as it seems at the moment.

893
00:35:12,397 --> 00:35:13,867
and I think that is interesting.

894
00:35:14,047 --> 00:35:17,017
The right wing papers to come back
to your point, have seemed to regard

895
00:35:17,017 --> 00:35:20,887
the idea of Ed Milliband as transfer
as basically full communism now.

896
00:35:21,067 --> 00:35:21,157
Yeah.

897
00:35:21,157 --> 00:35:23,977
When again, he served
under Brown, he's not Yeah.

898
00:35:23,977 --> 00:35:27,967
Of the outskirts of British
politics by any, means at all.

899
00:35:27,967 --> 00:35:29,340
So that will be really interesting.

900
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:33,440
but I was personally convinced that
street's immediate, no, let me lay

901
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,730
my coat of this puddle for you.

902
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:38,305
King was his kind of
straight, the job please.

903
00:35:38,305 --> 00:35:38,665
He straight over the

904
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:38,900
traps.

905
00:35:39,495 --> 00:35:41,660
That, that felt like an
obviously sycophantic move

906
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:42,920
designed to secure a position.

907
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,100
But,

908
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,670
but in, in the coverage, the thing I
never understand is it was this, now these

909
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:48,230
people are gonna be offered top jobs.

910
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:50,265
They've already got top jobs, all of them.

911
00:35:51,745 --> 00:35:52,065
they're not

912
00:35:52,065 --> 00:35:52,305
very good.

913
00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:52,665
They've got

914
00:35:52,665 --> 00:35:53,530
all the jobs he

915
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:54,220
left is, but

916
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,305
yeah, I did wonder that
about Angela Rainin.

917
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,330
She has already been
Deputy Prime Minister once.

918
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:00,850
Now that is a non job to some extent.

919
00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:02,680
So maybe she's holding out for one
of the great offices state, but

920
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440
she was also housing and local
communities, wasn't she where it did

921
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,230
feel like she was one of the people
who did actually have a kind of plan

922
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:09,640
and was, pushing ahead with things.

923
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,180
So maybe she's gonna come
back and, complete that brief.

924
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:13,450
Who knows?

925
00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,400
And there is a point to having Ed
Miller Band's chancellor, which is

926
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,020
again, he does have an ideology, right?

927
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:17,080
Yeah.

928
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,300
He has, I've got a specific
critique of what's wrong and it

929
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:20,440
is quite hot today

930
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:20,950
and it

931
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:22,465
just saying, and

932
00:36:22,465 --> 00:36:23,425
there's never been, and he's

933
00:36:23,425 --> 00:36:23,920
not here, but

934
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:24,610
I know I

935
00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:25,625
make that point for him.

936
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:28,480
I did have that, I did have that thought
as I looked at the temperature this

937
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,090
week, I thought, we don't have to hear
about those bloody climate change Deni.

938
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:33,610
They've shut the up, haven't they?

939
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,950
Although I would say, I mean of
course Bakerfield wasn't the only

940
00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:38,650
by-election last week, and we did
have the one up in Aberdeen as well,

941
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:39,970
where to give Kemi beno, her due

942
00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:41,050
came Renaissance happened.

943
00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:42,700
Yes, it did indeed didn't it?

944
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,730
In one specific constituency and a very
specific constituency, isn't it Ian?

945
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,680
It is, it's it is an oil city.

946
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:48,850
Yeah, it absolutely is.

947
00:36:48,905 --> 00:36:49,065
Which

948
00:36:49,065 --> 00:36:52,540
is built on oil and the people
there largely work in oil and

949
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:53,890
would like to carry on working.

950
00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:58,630
drill, baby drill, it's probably
the one city in Britain.

951
00:36:58,690 --> 00:36:58,900
Yes.

952
00:36:58,965 --> 00:37:02,260
You, it may not be representative of the
entire nation's feelings about Net Zero.

953
00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:05,230
But that is the, I mean that, that's
really the argument of ans he was red

954
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:06,430
ed when he was labour leader, wasn't he?

955
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:07,540
But now he's net zero ed.

956
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:11,770
The ruin a drive to net zero was as the
male is obliged sort of auto correct

957
00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:13,060
suit every time they type net zero.

958
00:37:13,090 --> 00:37:16,510
And we should also point out there was a,
bi-election also another one in Scotland.

959
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:16,570
Yeah.

960
00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:19,270
Which was held by the SMP
despite their travails.

961
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:21,700
Peter Merrill is probably
being sentenced as we speak.

962
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,060
He,

963
00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:24,430
this morning it was, four years if I'm

964
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:25,105
five years, I think five years.

965
00:37:25,105 --> 00:37:25,465
Five years.

966
00:37:25,465 --> 00:37:26,470
Five years and a few months.

967
00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:26,590
Yeah.

968
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:30,430
So clearly that was not really dented
at the SMP and A and gonna completely

969
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:31,690
hold them below the waterline.

970
00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:33,400
The one thing I did wanna
say is, did you don't

971
00:37:33,431 --> 00:37:35,865
miss the opportunity to
say Brondby Ferry, go on.

972
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:38,560
It's the one time you'll get it Ti Ferry.

973
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,810
No, I still, I once said Aldi
instead of Kodi on b BBC and I still

974
00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:47,290
wake up in a sweat thinking about,
Andrew Neil corrected me, which is

975
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:48,580
not something you wanna have to No.

976
00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:50,170
On a Sunday morning.

977
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:53,440
So I, stay well away from those things.

978
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,160
anything that any of you're particularly
looking forward to in the Benet songs?

979
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:00,380
Can I say, I hope that he just,
this is a very odd thing to say.

980
00:38:00,590 --> 00:38:03,560
I hope that he immediately puts up income
tax, which sounds like the weirdest thing

981
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,180
to say in the world, but I just think,

982
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:06,170
while you can,

983
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,010
none of the sums currently as they stand
add up, I would just prefer them to

984
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:12,950
go, sorry, this is gonna hurt, but it's
gonna hurt all of you and it's gonna

985
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:14,090
hurt people in the higher tax bands.

986
00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:14,540
More.

987
00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:17,210
Let's just, I need some money.

988
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:18,770
You've gotta pay me some money.

989
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:22,190
If you, if he gets a honeymoon,
which I'm not sure he will, again,

990
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:25,460
we ran a piece this week demanding
that he resign as Prime Minister

991
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:26,900
even before he's got the job.

992
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:28,700
'cause he's clearly not up to it.

993
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:31,550
He was a spoof, but that
will appear quite soon.

994
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:36,710
So he's got a very brief window and, as
nearly everybody seems to keep suggesting,

995
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:41,930
if in that brief window you put up tax,
you might get away with it long term.

996
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:42,920
That's all there is.

997
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,950
I mean there's another potential,
honeymoon indicator, which is, I

998
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:50,810
think the current reports are that he
would attain the attain supremacy on

999
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:54,860
the 17th of July, which is two days
before a potential World Cup final

1000
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:55,970
appearance for the England football team.

1001
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,800
And honestly, if England win the

1002
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,340
Hot Burnham

1003
00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:59,960
Summer Action, England win the World Cup,

1004
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,000
think how short declare shorts
are gonna be if we win the final,

1005
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,230
he declares a bank holiday.

1006
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:03,470
Yeah.

1007
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:04,640
Man is in office forever.

1008
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:04,850
Yeah.

1009
00:39:05,090 --> 00:39:07,280
Harry Kain Day is declared and that's it.

1010
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:10,520
He has actually got the best opportunity
that anyone has had in a very long time

1011
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,580
to put up income tax at this point, which
is to say he's doing it for defence,

1012
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:16,400
which is what all of the other parties,
even the Lib Dems are arguing that we

1013
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,130
have to, I mean we, we lost to, a cabinet
minister And, and the blessed Al Kas

1014
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:26,090
that we've been talking about a couple
of weeks ago because, ki didn't meet

1015
00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:27,620
those defence targets that they wanted.

1016
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:30,140
all the other parties are arguing for it.

1017
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,170
It's a fairly unarguable one, isn't it?

1018
00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:33,410
Yeah.

1019
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,810
Is we gotta put up income taxes,
stop being invaded by Russia.

1020
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:35,990
Yeah.

1021
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:41,750
both politically and and nationally,
he's got the opportunity if

1022
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:42,703
that's what he wanted to do.

1023
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:43,400
there we go.

1024
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,760
That's, that's our advice to Andy
Burnham, if you're listening Andy,

1025
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,320
it'll probably go really well.

1026
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:49,790
like all the other tax.

1027
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:50,450
It's a popular

1028
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:50,780
move.

1029
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Yeah.

1030
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:52,340
Everyone, loves more tax.

1031
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:56,000
that's all for us for now, but if you
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1032
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880
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1033
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,660
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1034
00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:05,390
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1035
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:06,440
That's all for now.

1036
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:10,940
Remains to say thank you to Adam,
Ian and Matt and to me really the

1037
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:12,505
l VP of this while Andy's away.

1038
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:14,030
Hello Andy on your Sun Lounger.

1039
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,170
Bye.