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Oh, yeah.

Here's one of these early.

Well, I was going to say early morning,

but this is one of those morning episodes.

And I'm so glad to be able to

do it because this is the best time

that's going to work out for my guest.

We've had a number of scheduling conflicts

up until now,

so I'm glad to finally have him on,

especially when I teased it a while back.

Folks,

I can't even begin to tell you how

many people reached out to me and begged,

hey,

can you please do an episode of

On these data centers,

I got one going down the road.

I had no idea the extent to which

I'd be inundated with so many people

wanting to hear about that.

So, hey, before we get into it,

remember Sovereign Health Summit is going

to be October twenty seven.

Through the thirty first,

sorry about that, y'all,

October twenty seven through the thirty

first.

And TPC will get you five percent off.

Now,

we do have the ability to go ahead

and live stream it if that's what you

choose to do.

I understand it's certainly in these

times.

Maybe you don't want to travel.

And then if you want to be there

in person,

hang out with the rest of us.

Bam.

That's what I'm talking about.

All right.

With that said,

we're not even going to mess around.

My man, Hakeem Anwar.

How you doing, my man?

What's up, Billy?

Man, it's good to be here.

It's good to be back with you.

Did you upgrade the intro song?

It's like now actual lyrics.

Yeah, yeah, we did.

You know,

we were using the old Gap Band,

but of course, YouTube...

you know,

we didn't have copyright issues or what we

had copyright issues and all that stuff.

So we had to go commission some work

to be done.

So yeah,

we got new music all the way around.

We got some pimps out there doing some

good stuff that, you know,

they want to help a brother out.

So it's all good.

We're talking, that's not AI generated.

That's like real, that's real music,

real musicians.

Well,

I'm going to let everybody kind of figure

that out.

You know,

I have spent a lot of money commissioning

musicians over the years,

a lot of money and never really got

what I was happy with until now.

But no, you know, Hakeem,

I got to ask you right off the

bat, bro,

because the timing for you being on here

couldn't be more.

I mean, it couldn't be better timed.

I'll put it that way.

I don't know if you know about this,

but knowing how you are and who you

are, I'm betting you probably do.

As you almost certainly know,

down in Mexico, they've...

their president, Scheinbaum,

don't know many Jewish names in Mexico,

but okay, came out with this little edict,

if you will.

And basically,

people are going to have to register to

be able to do any business transactions

down there.

But Mexico being Mexico,

they'll probably take her head off before

they ever fully comply.

But now all of a sudden,

they're floating out this latest thing.

And I'm guessing, and not only them,

but it's also Australia,

They're floating out this latest thing

that you're not going to be able to

use your cell phone without biometrics,

facial scanning, the whole nine yards.

Are you aware of any of this?

Yeah, absolutely.

The Mexico law was one of the most

worrying ones.

And what they were doing,

they tied everything to the federal

registration.

So in Mexico, that's called the CURP,

Clave Unica Registro something.

and uh so so in order to get

the the mexican federal id now like even

if you want to immigrate to mexico you

have to get all ten fingerprints iris

scans face scans the whole nine yards and

they were trying to make mexicans enroll

for that it's a lot of you know

most mexicans um aren't even in the system

so they're trying to say hey if you

want to use your phone if you want

to access the internet this is what you're

gonna have to do

But at the time of the deadline was

actually this past weekend,

June thirtieth, I believe.

And so sixty eight million Mexicans did

not comply.

They said, no,

we're not going to we're not going to

do it.

And they actually had to push the deadline

back another ninety days.

So it just goes to show you noncompliance

works.

It does indeed.

Have you heard anything about these

phones?

It's I mean,

this is pretty much hot off the presses,

at least as far as I'm concerned,

where they're saying that now, OK,

we're going to extend that not just there,

but also Australia.

And it's going to bring me into what

you do, because I was like, man,

the timing couldn't be.

I wish I had it right here in

front of me.

but I don't.

But now they're talking about that your

phone and guess what reason they're using

as to why we should do it.

You know,

we don't want kids getting mixed up in

the things that they shouldn't.

So we're going to need your,

your Iris scam.

We're going to need all this stuff to

be able to you for you to do

anything on your phone.

I don't know if you're aware of that.

Like I said,

it's pretty hot off the presses,

at least as far as I'm concerned.

But what I want to know is, uh,

Anybody using an above phone and folks,

if you're just tuning in right now,

that's what Anwar, I mean, I'm sorry,

Hakeem Anwar,

that's what he's really known for among a

number of other things.

Would your phone,

the above phone still work despite all

this nonsense that they're putting out

there?

Or is this the answer to what they're

saying?

Our phone will still work.

Our phone will still work.

What they're trying to keep people off of

is social media.

Because we're getting to that point where

if you want to say anything online,

they have to know your identity, right?

So they can hold you accountable.

That's why we have people in the UK,

random police officers showing up at their

door.

telling them they're being anti-Semitic or

they're trying to call for violence or

things like that.

So people are already getting harassed in

the UK.

And I think that this is the direction

that social media is going.

I think that people are going to have

to make the decision of whether they want

to enroll in digital ID,

which when you scan your face and you

give your legal identity,

that's what you're doing.

You're enrolling in digital ID.

You're going to have to make that

decision.

Is that worth it for me to stay

on Facebook,

Instagram and the rest of that junk food

social media that we all use?

That's coming in Australia,

like you pointed out.

Yeah, we've got the Child Safety Act,

and so they banned

social media for anyone under sixteen.

But that applies to everyone, right?

Everyone has to prove their age now.

The same thing is happening in the US.

We're so close.

It's already past the House.

We have the Kids Act here in America.

So I think this is something we're going

to see in the United States by the

end of the year.

And I would just say, yeah, like,

you know, that decision is coming.

So start to think about that.

But more importantly,

the people that you do connect with on

social media,

make sure you get a direct way to

contact them or better yet,

start communicating with them on an above

phone.

Okay,

that's exactly what I'm talking about.

So, you know,

I would think your above phone would be

jumping off the doggone shelves right now.

Real quick,

I know we're going to talk about something

else, but man,

in light of everything going on,

let's talk about that right off.

I mean,

explain to the folks out there that may

be new why an above phone as opposed

to a phone that they're going to go

down to the iPhone store and get.

Yeah, in a nutshell, it's just not,

it doesn't have anything to do with those

companies.

So no Google, no Apple,

none of their analytics or advertising

services,

which these are like first class citizens

on a normal phone.

These are services that are running all

the time.

So we're not using any of big tech

services.

And we go as far to say that

there's no connections to Google or Apple

at all.

So it's kind of what the phone doesn't

have.

That's a big,

That's a big point to be proud of.

Just like organic food, right?

Yeah, it doesn't have GMOs and pesticides.

That's why we eat it.

It's just food can be good.

Technology can be good in the same way.

And in addition to that,

there's so many different layers of

security and privacy you can add up.

I want people to realize that this isn't

just, hey,

you buy a device and now you're totally

private and off the grid.

That's not how it works.

You do have to build your life around

it.

So we're talking new ways to communicate

with people.

We're not using FaceTime and iMessage or

Facebook Messenger and all those things.

We know we can't trust those things.

We know that they leave back doors open

in these things.

We've known for years that these companies

do that.

So we're actually replacing not just your

phone,

but how you communicate with your

messaging services,

getting you on open source end-to-end

encrypted messaging.

We're also replacing the apps that you

have dependencies on.

Everything on the above phone,

you're going to still be able to do

what you want,

but the app's going to be named something

different.

It's going to be an alternative.

Anyone can start using an above phone

today.

It's working.

This technology is here.

I'll bring it up on the screen in

a second.

And it works with whatever cell service

you're already using.

So if you're using AT&T,

you can switch that service over to the

above phone.

It works anywhere in the world.

I don't know.

You might have some international

listeners.

So there's no reason to not get started

and to start getting some of these

contacts that you have on popular

platforms and get them on private peer to

peer means.

Because this thing is coming,

whether you like it or not.

Man, this is absolutely, I mean,

somebody wrote in the chat here, yeah,

man, it's like the jab.

It's like the mark of the beast,

and we all see it coming.

It's like a slow-moving train.

And sadly,

we live in the United States of amnesia

and believe that none of this stuff that's

happening, you know,

the carnage that's happening in the Middle

East, you know,

Israel walking all over Gaza like they're

Godzilla.

and the whole nine yards all this stuff

is happening over there and we tend not

to think that it's going to happen here

was happening in australia i mean it's

just a couple of years ahead of us

i suppose and then here we are you

know it's um it's coming right at us

and by and large nobody seems to care

well the people in this audience do care

but real quick hakeem tell everybody where

They can get more information about an

above phone and the benefit.

Well,

obviously you described the benefits of

it.

I do have one question before you get

to that.

What about personal banking and stuff like

that,

that people may be accustomed to doing on

there?

Let's say my, my, the bank I have,

you know, has a app.

Is it okay to put that on an

above phone and be okay?

so there's special ways to work with

banking apps we know they're not the most

private um so what we do is you

can actually create a separate container

for any app i call them like junk

food apps you don't necessarily want them

on your main phone but you can throw

them in a little jail so the little

jail is is where they live and you

can switch over to that little jail

anytime you want to use them they're

completely separated from your main

profile

so they can't communicate with your main

profile they can't see what's going on

there so you can throw the banking apps

and the social media apps or even like

google apps you could use those if you

want to all in this little jail so

that's one way you can improve your

privacy i will say that banking apps are

already trying to crack down on this right

it's no it's no surprise it's like all

right the financial arm and the banks

those are going to be one of the

first groups to sign on with the digital

id it's it's heading there so quickly

So I will say that some banking apps

have started to enforce that you need to

use an officially licensed big tech phone.

It needs to be Google licensed.

It could be a phone that is over

ten years old that doesn't get security

updates.

But as long as it's an official Google

phone,

they don't care about your security.

They want your compliance.

so that uh they they don't really care

about the security it's about having make

ensuring google has control over your

phone so in these cases in some particular

banks not all of them have already started

to try and enforce this what you can

do instead is you can just use the

website for the bank right it's online

banking and that's not too difficult um i

have a credit union that still works on

the above phone and i know some of

our customers have banks that they've

decided to start doing their banking in

the browser

They do it privately.

They do it on that same profile,

like I just mentioned,

and they're not having any problems.

Well, man, that's really awesome.

And I'll tell you what's even more awesome

is the fact that you saw all this

coming.

I mean, you know, how did you,

I mean, it may be a stupid question,

but I got to ask, I mean,

how did you foresee all of these things

coming down as they are right now?

And then better still to come up with

a solution long before anybody else did.

What was your motive for doing that?

Yeah,

I think it was just trying to serve

where I could.

I got my start with the Freedom Cell

Network and I was already awake for a

long time,

but this is something I kind of like,

I didn't know what I was doing.

I ditched my career because this was right

during the pandemic.

And I was like, all right,

you guys want me to build a digital

prison.

I'm not doing it.

So let all that go and started working

with the Freedom Cell Network.

And then as we blew up that year

because of COVID,

uh because of the lockdowns and people

wanting to find sanity i realized all

right this is the juice this is like

the sauce of technology this is what tech

should be all about and then i also

got to see like what we're up against

i got to see google de-platforming us

removing us off the search engines i mean

the underhanded tactics that

big tech was they, they, you know,

I can't say it was them specifically,

but there was definitely something going

on where our sites were targeted.

I was like, okay, this game,

this game is rigged.

And that got me set on the,

the privacy tip, like how much,

how much power do these companies have

actually?

And so that's what I've been doing for

the past five or six years.

And like, you know, this thing,

this stuff is coming at you like a

fright train.

You can't miss it.

I think, I think I just have, uh,

given up a good portion of my life

to just be like all right i'm this

is what i'm gonna learn about and you

know i i do it because i care

and also because i want to see a

future where there are no walls in between

people and people can share and when

exchange whatever they want without having

the government involved technology

involved i mean that's our right here in

this free country

Well, yeah, it's supposed to be.

But yeah, sadly,

everybody seems so willing to give up

everything.

And we'll just see how much more we

lose over the next year.

But it's good to know that you're working

on some serious solutions.

So folks, go get yourself an above phone.

Go check these things out.

Hakeem,

let's get into what you came on for

because you're the consummate expert in

all things like this.

To a lesser extent,

I suppose I am to a much lower

degree, at least.

I was excited to talk with you because

I knew you used to build these things.

Yeah.

I'm really glad.

It's been a long time coming,

but I'm glad we're talking now because

this report I've been working on,

it's going out next week,

but it's interesting.

You need to know.

You have a special background where you

not only know

the power demands and the dynamics of

electricity that go into these things,

like how our power grid works.

But you also know the ecological side,

where our water comes from.

I'm really excited to wrap about this with

you.

Yeah.

I'll go ahead and kick out where I

am on this.

Folks,

I'm more on the construction and the

things when it comes to this.

I know a lot of people, look,

I'm out of local union, one,

twenty-four electricians local in Kansas

City.

Um,

and I can't even begin to tell you

over the last, before I quit, you know,

doing electric work, I would say,

ninety percent of the work I did over

the last decade or more actually were all

data centers.

I mean, I've worked everywhere,

car plants, tire plants, you name it.

If it's a manufacturing,

I do industrial electrical work.

So that's where I specialize because

that's where the money's at.

And, um,

the data centers folks just from what i

know just from what i know i talked

to there's two guys named ryan one of

them runs all the maintenance at one of

the powerhouses near kansas city the other

guy is an electrician that became a

electrical engineer who now works at one

of the biggest places and i'm not going

to say where it is because he's like

number two there now and i called him

up i said hey ryan

Look,

give me the skinny on these data centers.

I said, I've worked on many of them.

I don't recall there being water issues.

What's up with that?

Ryan told me,

and I've talked about this before, Hakeem,

he says,

I can't understand it and I don't know

why, but yeah,

they're taking fresh water to cool these

things.

I'm like, it makes no sense.

You have a cooling tower and it recycles

through.

There's so many different ways you can do

a closed loop system for the most part,

cool everything off using the ground as

your means of exchange.

And he's like, yeah, I know.

I don't get it.

We're taking it from aquifers and we're

dumping it out on the ground in most

cases.

And then the other Ryan who runs all

the maintenance at one of the powerhouses

up there, he says, dude,

we got so many powerhouses going up here.

And I won't say how many megawatt this

particular one is because I don't want to

give him away either.

But he says, bro,

just on this one coal-fired powerhouse in

Missouri,

Just one of these data centers going up

right now could use up all that we're

putting out right now.

And this is absolutely insane.

So I've worked at these things for years

and years,

was totally unaware of all the other.

I knew we were building prisons.

I knew we were building prisons.

I just didn't expect it to happen this

fast.

So Hakeem, sorry for the long intro,

but everywhere we look,

there's data centers being built.

I mean, everywhere.

Why is this happening now?

I'm really glad you shared that because

that's the other side of the equation.

It's so crazy that it's like a kind

of spiritual law.

So you can only be your worst enemy,

right?

This only happens by consent.

And these electricians, I mean, man,

I know they're getting paid right now.

but do they really know what they're

building?

And I'd love to work with you to

find a way to reach out to them

because the thing is,

we've only built about half of the data

centers so far.

Let's do some background.

So the first thing you need to know,

like Billy,

the data centers you were working on back

in the day,

early two thousands or before that even,

those were traditional data centers.

And honestly, they were pretty reasonable.

Now, so I built this map here.

I'm going to bring it up on the

screen.

This is AI data center map dot org.

You can go through and you can see

all pretty much all the data centers in

the entire country.

I don't have all of them,

all of them.

But if I zoom in here,

you're going to see here.

Let's go into Dallas because there's a

nice cluster here.

You're going to see these red dots.

Then you're going to see these black

triangles.

And I'll say that the red dots,

those are traditional data centers.

You don't really need to worry about those

too much.

because they're not really using that much

power.

The black triangles are the ones you need

to worry about because this is something

we call hyperscalers.

Let me zoom in.

So these are called hyperscalers,

and this is the next generation of data

center.

These guys start at a hundred megawatts or

more.

So you can see this campus in Dallas.

You can see that, all right,

Google's building it.

It's planned.

It's not built yet.

It's gonna use three hundred fifty

megawatts.

But so how much power is that actually?

Well, it's a lot.

This thing on its own is going to

displace a hundred and twenty-two thousand

homes.

These hyper-scale data centers,

and now there's another tier on top of

them.

They're getting even bigger.

We're calling those gigascale because

guess what?

They're actually using the gigascale.

We could go to Louisiana,

Right.

Another another county out in the country

of Louisiana,

they go to like places that are kind

of far out there,

not so strong economically.

They do this.

They target these areas because they can

build something that takes two gigawatts.

Right.

This is almost two million homes worth of

power.

So that's kind of, you know,

there's levels to this thing.

So you got to kind of see where

we're at.

We have built out a lot of hyperscalers

the next few years up until twenty thirty.

Actually, primarily,

they're going to be building gigascalers.

So we're like we're still have a long

way to go.

And my my worry is if they finish

building all these gigascalers and data

centers to full completion,

people's wells are going to go dry.

Like there's going to be mass

environmental collapse and we need to stop

these things before it gets there.

You know,

I don't know what scale it was that

I worked on,

but there was a time when I ran

a job for Cerner Corporation and it was

in Kansas City.

It was a data center.

I was the one running that job.

And at the time,

it was considered one of the biggest in

the world.

And then I remember working at the

Facebook data center in Fort Worth.

And just one of those buildings of the

five data centers that they have in there,

just one of those buildings was at least

ten times bigger than the one I'd worked

on in Kansas City.

So I don't know where that thing,

whether it's a giga, mega,

I don't know where it is in that

continuum.

But, man,

there was a lot of strange things that

went on when they brought those servers in

there because, look,

I've worked in this area for a long

time.

I know what a server looks like.

hakim i know this is like going off

the beaten path a little bit i probably

ought to say this privately but i'm just

going to say it while we're here um

we were working seven days a week and

there came a weekend where they said okay

nobody's coming in nobody can figure out

why well one of the server rooms

All of a sudden, over that weekend,

was absolutely positively filled to the

brim with these servers that I'd never

seen before.

And strangely enough,

they didn't give off any heat.

And in fact, they had all the windows.

There's only maybe two entrances in and

out of most data centers because it's air

conditioned.

And it's on a raised floor the whole

nine yards.

And they taped off.

with, I don't know, some kind of paper,

all the windows.

And I'm looking at devices in there that

didn't make any sense at all.

Now, I don't know what those were.

All I know is that they were saying,

look, this is top secret.

Nobody goes in here for any reason

whatsoever.

You're gonna sign an NDA if you do.

And I'm like, man,

I've been in a thousand data centers.

What's the big deal?

And then I was looking through a crack

and a number of others were, they're like,

dude,

these look nothing like data centers.

I'd like to know who, first of all,

put all of them in,

in this massive room.

in one weekend.

I don't know what's going on,

but that does drive the next question.

I mean,

I guess I should have led with this,

but what exactly is driving this whole AI

data center boom?

it is um i mean it is ai

right these these next generation of data

centers and i'm not sure if that's what

you were seeing there but you know a

good clue would have been are there are

there pipes are there water pipes running

into these things because now they've got

you know direct to chip cooling which uh

they need to do because we're talking

about this ai chip that has two hundred

billion transistors in it like this is the

most

computationally proficient thing on the

planet.

This is like the pinnacle of technology

today that it can do this many

calculations.

It can do a trillion,

trillion calculations per second.

And I'm talking about the NVIDIA Blackwell

GPU,

which is in a lot of professional data

centers.

So when you have something with this many

transistors that can do this many

calculations,

if it's running at full load,

it gets so hot,

it's comparable to the surface of the sun.

so you know it it's that hot so

maybe the data centers or the servers you

were seeing weren't throwing off much heat

but maybe it was being cooled or something

i mean i don't know but all of

these uh data centers are being built

we're absolutely over building past

capacity from what i can see my estimates

is that right now we have around fifty

gigawatts

of power in the united states being

directed towards these data centers you

can you can like this is just from

my estimation you know what i did was

i went on the internet and i scraped

any information i could find about a data

center and i put it on the map

that's all i did you can go to

my map and you could actually pull it

down i'm not hiding the data from you

it's free and open to all you can

do your own calculations i'd love for you

to give me a updated estimate but the

thing is is that we're over we're out

building china

And by twenty thirty,

we're going to have two hundred gigawatts

of power get dedicated to these things.

That's what's planned.

That's forty percent of the entire current

U.S.

power supply or power demand.

so i i can't i have theories you

know we can talk about the surveillance

aspect which is it's definitely a part of

it i mean we can't deny that we

could talk about how um the national

institute for standards and technology is

talking about you know they're kind of

hinting there's going to be a cyber war

with china also the ceo of anthropic has

said the same thing some other people have

as well um or we could talk about

um you know we could talk about them

being stupid and greedy

which is like totally valid too like why

are these things being built but um you

know more and more i'm starting to realize

it could be it could be military nature

so you know i've got i've got a

bunch of theories

Well, let's absolutely bat them around.

But first and foremost,

I guess I should say, you know,

there's a lot of people out there

thinking, okay, data center,

shmata center, you know,

why should people care?

Why is this a concern to you?

And why?

I got reasons,

maybe we'll cover that if you don't cover

them.

But what are the biggest reasons why

people should be concerned about?

Yeah, absolutely.

Let me pull up the map.

And I'll show you guys a few places

on the map.

So

It's especially scary.

This red stuff, by the way,

on top of it,

this is like the water risk.

This is not related to the data centers.

This was like the water risk before these

data centers were being tracked, right?

So more water is leaving these areas.

There's groundwater depletion.

They're pulling more water out than is

being restored in these areas.

So places like Phoenix,

where there's this huge cluster of data

centers,

you're gonna see effects like this.

If you click on any empty spot on

the map,

you're gonna start to see that I have

it on a fifty mile radius.

It's gonna tell you how much water is

being displaced per day of the planned

data centers in these areas.

So that is about seventeen million gallons

a day.

And again,

this is a very rough ballpark estimate.

There could be technologies that I don't

know about.

I just want to be fair.

You know, I could be wrong about this,

but going with like the academic standards

of about half a liter per kilowatt hour,

this is how much they're planning to use.

And when you're pulling that much water

out of an aquifer,

you're gonna have groundwater depletion,

right?

You've probably dug well on your land,

right?

That's tapped into some aquifer.

You've maybe dug down three or four

hundred feet, whatever.

The water will go down, right?

Because we're pulling millions of gallons

out, but it's not being restored.

It's evaporating and being sent into the

atmosphere.

So the water level is gonna go down.

It's not gonna come back up.

And for me, man,

I don't grow all my own food yet.

I'm relying on badasses like you and

farmers out there.

So if you do have a well out

there and you're next to one of these

areas, it could go dry.

And that's the real scare here.

Not to even mention the environment,

but your water could go dry.

Well,

the blessing to me is that I live

in a very,

very mountainous region and they would

have to cut off

It just doesn't make sense for them to

put one anywhere near me.

But, you know,

this is – I think it's deleterious to

health in many, many ways because,

number one, first of all,

you bring up Arizona.

Why would anybody put a data center in

a flipping desert?

And if you are,

why wouldn't you put it underground where

the ground temperature,

which is around fifty-some degrees,

would mitigate a lot of the cooling

effects that you need?

It's like everything is done in the most

stupid possible way.

It makes zero sense.

It's like it's almost being done on

purpose to deplete these resources.

But, Hakeem,

have you done any work in terms of

the EMF footprint of these things?

I mean, it's got to be horrendous.

I didn't focus on EMF,

but I do know a thing or two

about the other concerns.

There's two things to talk about.

And I just went off what people were

studying.

One is the heat island effect.

So there is a study,

these international researchers, they...

From space,

they took a map of the land surface

temperatures before and after data

centers.

And they found that, OK, on average,

if you start a hyperscale data center,

the temperature goes up by two Celsius or

four degrees.

And you feel this effect within ten

kilometers.

Right.

So heat dynamics,

it's going to accumulate the more data

centers there are.

So you can click on the map and

it'll give you a breakdown of how much

the temperature is going up from the data

centers that are around it.

And so you're getting crazy off the charts

temperatures like in this area in Arizona,

the temperature should go up by twenty

degrees once all these data centers are

done.

So that's I mean, that's one thing.

It's like, OK,

now you have the heat rising.

That's a major health risk,

especially when you combine it with the

diesel generators that are throwing off

nitrates and oxygen.

sox and all of these uh fine matter

particulates that are coming off of these

generators so it's causing respiratory

issues it's causing heart issues it's

known to do that it can actually combine

with the heat effect to cause stroke so

uh these these are a massive risk to

your health um there's also the noise

thing these things sound like a a vacuum

cleaner at full blast which means you're

not getting any sleep

Animals start to go crazy.

You know,

they start tearing their hair out.

Any free roaming animal is going to just

straight leave the area, right?

So there's all these like terrible

impacts.

This is anti-human,

anti-life impacts of data centers that you

got to talk about.

Well, here's what blows my mind.

I've worked in a number of powerhouses

over the years as well.

I mean, you know,

we got them all in America.

We got coal fired.

We have nuclear.

We have gas.

We have all these things.

And you'll notice that every one of them,

almost every single one of them is

situated next to a river.

next to some body of water,

because all you're really doing at a

powerhouse is you're boiling water and

it's turning, you know,

as crazy as it sounds,

that's exactly what it does,

regardless of the combustion means.

Why on earth would they situate these

things?

I mean,

do we have an answer for that?

Why would they situate them in a desert

where in a powerhouse,

they'll take the water, cycle it through,

use it for what they need it for,

and then run it right back into the

river?

I don't understand where all the water

usage need is even coming from in these

data centers.

It makes no sense at all.

Because, in fact,

the way you'll have a two-foot raised

floor in most data centers,

and the air conditioning is blowing

through there.

So I don't understand where the cooling is

needed and why the water is needed in

a way that they're saying.

I just don't understand that.

Do you have any reckoning of any of

that?

this extreme heat this is like this is

heat that these these ai chips for one

they need to run at a reasonable

reasonable temperature in order to keep

operating and they just get so hot at

full load that um water is going to

be the only way to cool it down

like air chillers are not going to be

economical in fact like the amount of heat

that you're pushing out of there it's

going to use too much energy

So, you know,

one of the theories that I have is

like, yeah, like there I mean,

there's way better places that they could

have built them.

And so on the map,

you can actually see these things laid

overlaid on the major U.S.

aquifers.

So you can kind of see that relationship.

You can almost see the pattern.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean,

they're strategically positioned.

I mean,

this one in Denver is the most obvious.

There you go.

It's all sitting on the Denver Basin,

right?

So they're all strategically positioned

with water.

That's one aspect of it.

The other aspect is you can also see

the high voltage power line grid on the

United States.

Boom, that's the other thing, right?

So it's access to water.

It's also access to cheap power.

And I think that might be the most

important thing

So, I mean,

you probably know better than me,

but I do think the Southwest has better,

you know, power generating more.

So sorry.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to cut you off.

It's the most secure grid by far.

yeah i mean yeah i mean dude i

i i didn't know that for sure and

i it was great getting that confirmation

so like yeah i mean they do it

out of power that's why texas is

completely taken over by these things and

uh they want cheap they want cheap land

cheap water cheap power and easy

regulation so they can build these things

so if you know i'm sure you and

i could probably find much more conscious

and aware ways to build these data centers

i mean build them in alaska right

Build them somewhere where people need

heat.

Or build them in water-rich parts of the

United States.

But no, you're kind of right.

It feels like it's being done by design

or just straight incompetence.

Now,

I tend to think that it's a lot

more going on here.

Hakeem,

I'm going to ask you to step out

a little bit because, honestly,

in this audience, bro,

you're not going to freak anybody out.

Believe me,

I've run off anybody at this point.

I mean,

I just did a video the other day

talking about the acceptable use of the

N-word.

So there's not anything you're going to

say.

You know,

there's not anything you're going to say

that's going to run these people off.

So, I mean,

I got to know because everybody is asking

and we, you know,

our main demographic is going to be people

that are older than me,

people that are boomers,

and they really want to hear the truth

and they want to hear it hard and

raw.

I have theories as to why this is

going on.

I asked you earlier and you said you

have theories.

Bro, feel uninhibited.

I mean,

don't say anything that's going to get us

kicked off of YouTube because

But yeah, let's go into it.

Tell me exactly what you think all of

this is for,

because this is totally your wheelhouse,

man.

And I don't want to shortchange these

folks.

so we we all know the the the

ultimate technocrats like wet dream which

is to get us in a fifteen minute

city where everything's monitored

everything is programmatic and the problem

is is that no one i mean the

cities kind of suck people are people are

leaving cities right now right so people

people feel that where are they going

they're going out to the country why

because there's land

there's power, and there's water.

So this is the final frontier.

I mean,

after the greatest wealth transfer in

history, I mean,

they did a pretty good job.

People are broke around the country now,

okay?

What's left?

These guys, they never stop.

This entity, this beast system,

it never stops.

So what can they take next?

It's the land, it's the environment,

the power, and the water.

You take these things or you make it

unaffordable, you're starting to not...

be able to pay your power and water

bills, which in some parts of the country,

close to data centers,

they've already tripled.

And from what I'm seeing in my analysis,

if these data centers all get built out

and start using the maximum amount of

power,

which I'm leaving space for me to be

wrong,

but I am seeing power bills are going

to at least double no matter where you

are and triple and quadruple in places

with the cluster of these.

So you're getting to a spot where

oh, OK, well,

now I can't pay my power and water

bill.

I'm going to have to send my land

and I might move to the fifteen minute

city where these things are subsidized and

in control.

I mean, that to me,

that makes a lot of sense.

They need a way to push people out

of these areas in the country.

So I think that's that primarily that's

the biggest conspiratorial reason in

addition to the surveillance.

But that's that's one theory.

Well, where does it stop?

I mean, for me,

I'm going to tell you what I think

it is.

And I'm just you tell me if I'm

way off base here,

because I've talked to I remember I had

Dr. Sherry Tenpenny on here.

And then the other day I had Dr.

Jane Ruby talking about this.

Well, similar things.

Both of them,

if you were and I don't mean to

put words in their mouth,

but I'm pretty sure they would agree with

me that every every single thing we see

unfolding right now seems to be a part

of a depopulation plan.

Which may be why they don't care about

how many data centers they're putting up

in the power usages because they're

expecting maybe to not have the humans

there to even care about it.

I mean, think about it, bro.

They had all how many people go blindly

stagger blindly in the taking a jab for

disease that had a ninety nine point nine

percent recovery rate.

Right.

I mean, this is crazy on its face.

And so when you look at these data

centers, I remember,

and I'm going to go a little sideways

here.

Hakeem, check this out.

I didn't get to look at all the

blueprints.

In fact,

for the first time in my electrical

career,

when I was working at that one data

center in Fort Worth,

They would only give us an iPad,

which was strange because usually we would

get blueprints, like physical blueprints.

They gave us an iPad with just a

very redacted section of the thing I

needed to work on.

Hand me this iPad.

And at those days,

I'm something of a Luddite.

I'm like, what do I do with this,

man?

How do I blow this up?

And it turned out it was actually better

than blueprints.

And then had three D orthographic

diagrams, the whole nine yards.

And I'm like, okay.

So when I got used to it,

I'm like, okay, well,

can I get a bigger picture?

They're like, absolutely not.

So I went to the general foreman who

did have access to the bigger prints.

And I remember there was some sort of

thing that didn't make sense to me.

And I needed a clarification.

And I said, hey,

can you figure this out for me?

He says, look, man, just walk with me.

I was working on second shift out there

because they paid more money.

I walked into the job trailer over here

and they had physical blueprints that were

a mile thick,

like nothing I've ever seen before.

And so this guy was something of a

major, major gamer, the whole nine yards.

And I said – I don't recall his

name, but I said, hey,

why on earth are we building this thing?

What is it for?

He said, dude, this is all for –

you know,

Oculus or whatever they would call it,

you know,

like he thought it was going to be

for some gaming nonsense or whatever.

And I said,

do you think they built all this for

gaming?

He says, well, if not, he says,

I can tell you right now that according

to their own specs,

just this one building in this complex is

enough to handle all of the data from

the history of time until this day and

then into another thousand years.

Just that one building of the five

buildings.

So why would they have that?

What would be the purpose for that,

Hakeem?

I mean,

you can go as sideways as you want

to, bro.

But I mean,

I just don't see anything good coming out

of this.

Why would you need that much computing

power when the thing in Bluffdale, Utah,

they said from way back,

had more than enough to cover the whole

world?

I mean,

there's got to be something more

nefarious.

Yeah, man, you're keying in to this.

Yeah, I mean, so there was a plan.

There was a whole government office called

Total Information Awareness Office.

You've probably seen it.

It's got the logo with the pyramid with

the eye on the top.

And then it has a ray around the

Earth.

It's watching the entire Earth.

And so there's this office that used to

work on software that would start to track

about everything, about everyone.

The software was called LifeLog.

And early in the two thousands,

news outlets started reporting on it.

So they shut it down on the same

day they shut it down.

They started Facebook or not.

They started Facebook.

Mark Zuckerberg completely separately.

not not coincidentally at all started

Facebook right and and so I think we're

heading into late stage a late stage

surveillance state where they will

actively try and collect data from every

device simultaneously so you know you

mentioned that you mentioned that

It would be enough storage to handle all

the data from history to current time,

but we also have a lot more data

sources today.

So to look at this next-gen surveillance

and even predictive policing,

where you have systems that are capable of

absorbing data

footage from CCTV cameras or flock cameras

or what you're posting on social media or

even what your devices are picking up on

your home.

This is now possible.

It's absolutely possible.

And companies like Palantir,

which also have very close associations to

intelligence agency and intelligence

apparatus and also these total information

awareness programs,

are building the software that can finally

glue these different sources of

information all together so you can make

sense and reason and you can drill down

into like if you're focused on an

individual person you can drill down on

them and see their information but you can

see their family as well and you can

switch over to them you can see who

they're connected to right the software

that they're building is making it

possible now they say only police

departments well I mean they have

They have contracts with pretty much every

federal agency.

But what we know on the surface is

that this is being used in police

departments and they have this level of

control where we're now private private

institutions like colleges and

universities.

They can send their CCTV data off to

the police department and that's where it

all gets gathered.

Right.

So we're talking about this this fabric of

surveillance that is pervasive.

It's everywhere and everywhere.

It's the panopticon, if you will, right?

It's always watching,

but you never know if it's watching.

And we're getting very close to this

becoming a reality.

And maybe the backbone of it are these

data centers.

Well, I mean,

Good night, Hakeem.

I mean, I'm wondering where does it stop?

I mean, yeah,

we got a faction of people out there

right now chopping down these flock

cameras who I see as American heroes to

me.

Of course,

all the boomers they had on Fox News

talking about it thought, oh, well,

this is so awful.

Man,

I hope they chop every last one of

them down.

And I think when people realize that there

may be gold and platinum and silver and

stuff in those things,

they may just come down a little bit.

They may just come down a little bit

sooner than I hoped.

But I mean, that's just one small.

We're all walking around with a flipping

bugging device right in our pocket unless

we got an above phone, right?

Exactly, man.

It's exactly.

And there's AI on our phones and laptops

now.

So it's like,

that's a whole layer that no one,

I don't think you ever voted for that,

right?

You weren't, it wasn't ever like, hey,

do you want to install AI on your

phone?

No, yes, no.

No, it just happened one day.

And now that thing is integrated into your

keyboard, into your messaging.

It's like listening to everything you do.

And like simply you using a phone is

justifying the build out of

the data centers so you can sit there

and tell me that i don't want these

data centers being built or i'm not i

don't want to support it but in actuality

you are supporting it with your phone so

um this is why i'm trying my mission

is to get everyone large swaths of people

especially the freedom community all on

phones that are completely separate um

can't be hacked aren't pre-hacked

right when you use a normal big tech

phone they can install apps without your

knowledge they can remove apps they can

turn on your bluetooth this has been

proven and um to use a phone that

is actually sovereign and hardened so yeah

i mean this is possible and it's going

to take millions of us to do this

to actually persist against the

surveillance state we need to kind of

break off and do our own thing here

Well, speaking of which,

I guess that's my next question.

I mean, how do people escape this?

I was just recently down in El Salvador

twice and hanging out with Dr. Jack Cruz.

Now,

if you look into his work and what

he's discovered or at least revealed

regarding blue light and what's on these

phones and how...

They,

instead of doing MKUltra the old-fashioned

way, well, they realized, well,

the mob realized at first that they could

use blue light in a casino,

blue light dominant in a casino,

and they didn't have to beat you over

the head to get your money.

They could just get a scantily clad woman,

give you a little bit of alcohol,

and you're handing it over left and right.

And, of course, you know,

you got all these devices now, you know,

blue light, day, night, whatever.

And I guess I don't know that I

could say publicly what he said to me

privately, but I'll tell you what,

it's enough to make the hair on the

back of your neck stand up.

So I guess my next question is, is,

you know,

outside of getting on the first thing,

smoking to some degree,

Place in the middle of nowhere.

Is there any way to escape any of

this stuff besides the tech measures that

you've created with AbovePhone?

I mean, I'm talking,

can you physically get up and go or

is this thing just like a net over

the entire planet?

So, I mean,

there's some things I can point you

towards and like there's people taking

action against this,

but it is really pervasive.

So it's like my friends at this website

called deflock.me, right?

This is just one example.

but they're tracking and they told me the

last time I talked to them,

this number was eighty thousand.

But now they're tracking one hundred and

ten thousand cameras in the United States.

So, you know,

the first step is just being aware,

like we have to go out and find

these things.

These things are popping up everywhere.

So they're doing that.

There's actually a

national day against these automatic

license plate readers here this is coming

up august sixteenth the twenty second so

um check it out see if there's something

in your town and uh reach out reach

out to these cities uh find these events

locally and you know get involved because

that's what it takes this is all about

people power they have billions of dollars

at their expense all we have is each

other

So do get involved.

And this is again,

this website is noalprs.com.

You could also go to Deflock,

which this map is really cool.

You can go into your hometown,

wherever that is,

and you can see exactly where the cameras

are.

So it's a heat map of everywhere here.

Let's go.

Let's go over here.

Let's go to Denver.

and it's really cool because you can uh

let me see how to do this you

can actually like navigate between two

points here you go you can create a

route so let me go from here yeah

where am i starting choose on map go

from here to here and so

Yeah.

So they can find you a direct route

without any cameras,

but it's not necessarily easy.

You have to you have to.

Oh, here we go.

Yeah.

The direct route and the practice route.

So this is what we're having to do

now to avoid these things.

You have to like tiptoe around it.

Luckily, we're not as bad as China yet.

China's got, you know,

seven hundred million CCTV cameras.

But that's what that's what this is.

All this is inspired by.

That's where it's headed.

Um, last thing I want to mention is,

uh, the first day of August, we, uh,

we are also doing a national day of

action against data centers and doing that

with my friend, Derek bros.

And so if you are signed up on

the AI data center map, um,

you will be the first to know about

this and we'll get some people ready local

debt to make, to make a plan.

Cause I don't know what's going on in

your neighborhood and you don't know

what's going on in mine.

It's going to take us occupying our space

to actually have alternatives to what's

coming.

Hakeem, I got to ask you,

where do you see,

and be as brutal as you want.

I mean, I just like the truth.

I mean,

given your background and what you're

aware of and the mitigation measures

you've come up with,

I got to ask this question.

Where do you see America, not maybe now,

but let's say five years from now,

if we don't stand up and start kicking

some butt?

I mean, it's not good.

I mean, I'll give you my vision.

And of course, there's always two.

It's a duality.

Everything in nature is a duality.

So we almost need one part to be

extreme so we can have extreme freedom.

But in the areas where...

it's going to be bad in the cities

primarily.

I see, you know,

I see drones flying around everywhere and

they're delivering food,

but there's also police drones.

We know that that's now a thing because

of the FIFA World Cup.

We actually do have local level anti-drone

and drone operations going on because of

the World Cup.

That's just now started.

And you're going to start to see a

lot more surveillance in your face.

You're going to see the,

You're going to see the self-driving cars.

You're going to see more advertisements

everywhere.

And yeah, I mean,

you're the main thing will be a big

section of society will be gated off by

the digital ID.

So you probably have noticed this.

And, you know,

if you go to a big box grocery

store, you know,

you have those gates open.

that like swing open.

It's like, why are the,

why are those gates?

They don't do anything besides just

momentarily impede you when you walk in

the store.

They say, when I asked them, um,

so a few stores that said, ah,

it's for shoplifting.

It's like shoplifting going into the

store.

No, no, no, no.

Yeah.

That, that is a,

that is a terminal for digital ID.

Once it's ready.

And there might be a cyber attack or

something.

I do sense a cyber attack coming in

the next one to two years.

And I do think things will change

dramatically after that, where it's like,

no, we need to be so secure.

We have to protect our grocery stores.

And so everyone,

we must know your identity when you walk

into these stores.

So if you're dependent on any of these

big box stores,

I'm not just talking Walmart and Whole

Foods.

I'm talking like Home Depot, Lowe's,

Target,

Berks Outlet, you name it,

any department store,

they're coming for these publicly traded

companies,

and they will put their digital ID wall

on them.

So that is what the future looks like

for people who live in the cities.

For people who are building out in the

country,

or just maybe a bit farther out from

the cities, I don't see any of that.

But we really do need to be completely

self-sufficient in every way.

And that's why your show and the work

you're doing are so important.

Well, at the end of the day,

you know,

we don't have to leave very often and

we don't.

I mean, when it comes to my farm,

but every once in a while,

you're going to have to go to a

city.

This is why I'm saying,

if you think you're insulated in the

country, I got news for you.

Next time you get building materials,

where are you going to get it?

You can go pay three times as much.

You can go to the local hardware store

I have near me in Mars Hill and

And you're going to pay three times much

for everything,

but you're going to probably look for a

Lowe's or a Home Depot or something like

that.

And then no matter what, Hakeem,

I'm interacting or I'm having to interact

with the very things that I'm trying to

escape.

This is...

You know,

I'm glad we're doing something of a good

cop, bad cop, because honestly,

the way I see this thing going down,

I'm glad you're providing some hope.

Are you the bad cop?

I think so, man,

because the way I see this thing going

down, bro,

we just found out that wealthy elite are

eating children.

Nobody cared.

We just found out that we are a

party to flipping genocide in not only

Gaza.

Now, here we are, you know,

and who's supplying all the missiles?

It's us.

And still nobody cares.

We find out that Fauci knowingly,

knowingly murdered probably more people

than the merchant of death.

probably a hundred times over.

We find out all this stuff and nobody

cares.

And I see this as a mark of

a decadent society

And true of every decadent society in

history,

they never wake up until the crucible of

really hard times comes down on them.

And I'm hoping that people like yourself

are able to speak.

I mean,

I'm just looking at this as a historian,

and I'm saying, okay,

can I find a single time where a

decadent society has ever corrected itself

without the crucible of really hard times?

No, you ain't going to find it.

and sadly i'm thinking okay without a

great calamity that jumps off i don't see

this american public waking up everybody's

fat dumb and happy we're going on a

two hundred and fifty anniversary

supposedly two hundred and fifty

anniversary and we've destroyed a country

okay,

it took Rome at least two millennia to

destroy their country,

to destroy their empire.

We're doing it in two hundred and fifty

years.

Okay.

And I don't see anybody that really cares.

I don't see anybody that, you know,

we got a executive branch right now.

And believe me, folks,

I'm a political atheist.

We have an executive branch.

It doesn't even matter.

It doesn't even matter who's in there.

They all work for the same people,

the same people that we're not allowed to

talk about.

And

It doesn't matter.

So, I mean,

do I have a black pill?

People can say that.

I just think I'm a realist.

And historically,

I know that nobody wakes up until it

gets really, really, really, really bad.

And by that time,

you got the boot on your neck.

So, folks,

that's why I'm encouraging everybody.

And that's why I'm so glad that you're

on here to tell people, well,

it's not all lost.

It's not all hope is not lost.

But we do have to do something.

We got to stand up and fight.

I'll have people jumping out the window,

bro.

What would you like to leave everybody

with before we close it down here?

Yeah, brother.

No, I appreciate your wisdom.

And yeah,

it is going to get worse before it

gets better.

The night is darkest before the dawn.

You know, that's just how it is.

That's that's that's human nature.

But we can we can live in our

example.

And when it does go down,

people will start to pay more attention

and there will be a large,

I would say,

thirty percent of people are going to peel

off.

Right.

Just let's use this Mexico thing as an

example.

Around half of their entire population did

not comply with the digital ID.

We just have to know that somewhere out

there,

right now we're separated by a social

media wall and algorithm.

We can't really connect with them on that

level.

But there are people who know that things

are wrong.

And I do think there are going to

be massive layoffs where people now have

all this time to themselves.

And it's actually a beautiful thing that

that happens.

And we need to be there as embodied

leaders working in alignment with nature

because that's the true abundance.

That's where everything, you know,

everything is provided for us.

We just have to trust that and we

have to be willing to.

to build new systems that people can get

onboarded with.

We can't really,

we cannot be a part of that prepper

mindset.

Like that's the trap,

the prepper mindset where it's like,

this is all mine and like,

you better watch out.

I mean, if you come here,

I'm gonna shoot you like, oh yeah,

you didn't listen.

You were a normie, right?

It's too late for you.

We really need to get out of that

mindset because we can't do this.

You know,

we can't do this without a larger group

of people.

And there are people that are close to

that line.

We really need to believe that.

And we need to work with them.

So it's not like we're going to give

them food for free,

but we will give them a chance to

earn and grow their own food.

After all,

seeds are the gifts that keep giving.

This is like an infinite abundance

generator.

And that's what God has provided for us.

And I think there are secrets,

even on the data center issue,

that

Yeah, a lot of aquifers might go dry,

but I mean,

you probably know a little bit about

primary water.

There's so much about this planet we don't

know.

And I don't believe in an unfair God.

I think that this system has made things

fair,

but this is just kind of an illusion.

So things are going to burn down,

but it's a purifying fire.

It's the fire that melts away all the

old crappy mindsets that are locked in and

only new systems will emerge out of the

ashes.

And so that's what I think about every

day as I do this.

And that's why entrepreneurship and

starting to be your own leader is so

important in your communities.

Couldn't agree more.

But I tell you to come full circle

with this.

I just thought of something while you were

saying that, you know,

Mexico might very well be one of the

best barometers out there.

And here's why I'm saying it.

Can you imagine the government coming in

and telling some vato named Little Frog

that now he needs biometrics to start his

Chevy?

Yeah.

Bro, it's going to be on.

And then plus,

every Mexican dude I know of, man,

all they roll in is in cash.

So now all of a sudden you're going

to tell them, hey,

we're going to turn this thing.

They have killed leaders for less.

So you know what?

Maybe Mexico is the absolute perfect

barometer for a lot of this.

Because like I said,

you start messing with a Vato Chevy, bro,

it's on and in a big way.

So, Hakeem,

tell everybody how they can find you and

how they can get an above phone.

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I would love to do an episode with

you sometime and have you on the show.

Man, I'm all about that, bro.

Well,

I want to thank Hakeem for coming in

here and doing this.

I know the time was unusual, but man,

I want to thank everybody for checking us

out in the chat.

Y'all, we live in a crazy doggone world.

It's getting crazier by the day.

But I'm thankful that there are people

like Hakeem out there that are providing

solutions that actually work.

All right, y'all.

You know the deal.

Till next time, stay alert, stay alive.

Let the season change,

watch the world spin.

From the smallest sprout,

the harmony begins.

In the cycle of life,

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