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Oh, yeah.
Here's one of these early.
Well, I was going to say early morning,
but this is one of those morning episodes.
And I'm so glad to be able to
do it because this is the best time
that's going to work out for my guest.
We've had a number of scheduling conflicts
up until now,
so I'm glad to finally have him on,
especially when I teased it a while back.
Folks,
I can't even begin to tell you how
many people reached out to me and begged,
hey,
can you please do an episode of
On these data centers,
I got one going down the road.
I had no idea the extent to which
I'd be inundated with so many people
wanting to hear about that.
So, hey, before we get into it,
remember Sovereign Health Summit is going
to be October twenty seven.
Through the thirty first,
sorry about that, y'all,
October twenty seven through the thirty
first.
And TPC will get you five percent off.
Now,
we do have the ability to go ahead
and live stream it if that's what you
choose to do.
I understand it's certainly in these
times.
Maybe you don't want to travel.
And then if you want to be there
in person,
hang out with the rest of us.
Bam.
That's what I'm talking about.
All right.
With that said,
we're not even going to mess around.
My man, Hakeem Anwar.
How you doing, my man?
What's up, Billy?
Man, it's good to be here.
It's good to be back with you.
Did you upgrade the intro song?
It's like now actual lyrics.
Yeah, yeah, we did.
You know,
we were using the old Gap Band,
but of course, YouTube...
you know,
we didn't have copyright issues or what we
had copyright issues and all that stuff.
So we had to go commission some work
to be done.
So yeah,
we got new music all the way around.
We got some pimps out there doing some
good stuff that, you know,
they want to help a brother out.
So it's all good.
We're talking, that's not AI generated.
That's like real, that's real music,
real musicians.
Well,
I'm going to let everybody kind of figure
that out.
You know,
I have spent a lot of money commissioning
musicians over the years,
a lot of money and never really got
what I was happy with until now.
But no, you know, Hakeem,
I got to ask you right off the
bat, bro,
because the timing for you being on here
couldn't be more.
I mean, it couldn't be better timed.
I'll put it that way.
I don't know if you know about this,
but knowing how you are and who you
are, I'm betting you probably do.
As you almost certainly know,
down in Mexico, they've...
their president, Scheinbaum,
don't know many Jewish names in Mexico,
but okay, came out with this little edict,
if you will.
And basically,
people are going to have to register to
be able to do any business transactions
down there.
But Mexico being Mexico,
they'll probably take her head off before
they ever fully comply.
But now all of a sudden,
they're floating out this latest thing.
And I'm guessing, and not only them,
but it's also Australia,
They're floating out this latest thing
that you're not going to be able to
use your cell phone without biometrics,
facial scanning, the whole nine yards.
Are you aware of any of this?
Yeah, absolutely.
The Mexico law was one of the most
worrying ones.
And what they were doing,
they tied everything to the federal
registration.
So in Mexico, that's called the CURP,
Clave Unica Registro something.
and uh so so in order to get
the the mexican federal id now like even
if you want to immigrate to mexico you
have to get all ten fingerprints iris
scans face scans the whole nine yards and
they were trying to make mexicans enroll
for that it's a lot of you know
most mexicans um aren't even in the system
so they're trying to say hey if you
want to use your phone if you want
to access the internet this is what you're
gonna have to do
But at the time of the deadline was
actually this past weekend,
June thirtieth, I believe.
And so sixty eight million Mexicans did
not comply.
They said, no,
we're not going to we're not going to
do it.
And they actually had to push the deadline
back another ninety days.
So it just goes to show you noncompliance
works.
It does indeed.
Have you heard anything about these
phones?
It's I mean,
this is pretty much hot off the presses,
at least as far as I'm concerned,
where they're saying that now, OK,
we're going to extend that not just there,
but also Australia.
And it's going to bring me into what
you do, because I was like, man,
the timing couldn't be.
I wish I had it right here in
front of me.
but I don't.
But now they're talking about that your
phone and guess what reason they're using
as to why we should do it.
You know,
we don't want kids getting mixed up in
the things that they shouldn't.
So we're going to need your,
your Iris scam.
We're going to need all this stuff to
be able to you for you to do
anything on your phone.
I don't know if you're aware of that.
Like I said,
it's pretty hot off the presses,
at least as far as I'm concerned.
But what I want to know is, uh,
Anybody using an above phone and folks,
if you're just tuning in right now,
that's what Anwar, I mean, I'm sorry,
Hakeem Anwar,
that's what he's really known for among a
number of other things.
Would your phone,
the above phone still work despite all
this nonsense that they're putting out
there?
Or is this the answer to what they're
saying?
Our phone will still work.
What they're trying to keep people off of
is social media.
Because we're getting to that point where
if you want to say anything online,
they have to know your identity, right?
So they can hold you accountable.
That's why we have people in the UK,
random police officers showing up at their
door.
telling them they're being anti-Semitic or
they're trying to call for violence or
things like that.
So people are already getting harassed in
the UK.
And I think that this is the direction
that social media is going.
I think that people are going to have
to make the decision of whether they want
to enroll in digital ID,
which when you scan your face and you
give your legal identity,
that's what you're doing.
You're enrolling in digital ID.
You're going to have to make that
decision.
Is that worth it for me to stay
on Facebook,
Instagram and the rest of that junk food
social media that we all use?
That's coming in Australia,
like you pointed out.
Yeah, we've got the Child Safety Act,
and so they banned
social media for anyone under sixteen.
But that applies to everyone, right?
Everyone has to prove their age now.
The same thing is happening in the US.
We're so close.
It's already past the House.
We have the Kids Act here in America.
So I think this is something we're going
to see in the United States by the
end of the year.
And I would just say, yeah, like,
you know, that decision is coming.
So start to think about that.
But more importantly,
the people that you do connect with on
social media,
make sure you get a direct way to
contact them or better yet,
start communicating with them on an above
phone.
Okay,
that's exactly what I'm talking about.
So, you know,
I would think your above phone would be
jumping off the doggone shelves right now.
Real quick,
I know we're going to talk about something
else, but man,
in light of everything going on,
let's talk about that right off.
I mean,
explain to the folks out there that may
be new why an above phone as opposed
to a phone that they're going to go
down to the iPhone store and get.
Yeah, in a nutshell, it's just not,
it doesn't have anything to do with those
companies.
So no Google, no Apple,
none of their analytics or advertising
services,
which these are like first class citizens
on a normal phone.
These are services that are running all
the time.
So we're not using any of big tech
services.
And we go as far to say that
there's no connections to Google or Apple
at all.
So it's kind of what the phone doesn't
have.
That's a big,
That's a big point to be proud of.
Just like organic food, right?
Yeah, it doesn't have GMOs and pesticides.
That's why we eat it.
It's just food can be good.
Technology can be good in the same way.
And in addition to that,
there's so many different layers of
security and privacy you can add up.
I want people to realize that this isn't
just, hey,
you buy a device and now you're totally
private and off the grid.
That's not how it works.
You do have to build your life around
it.
So we're talking new ways to communicate
with people.
We're not using FaceTime and iMessage or
Facebook Messenger and all those things.
We know we can't trust those things.
We know that they leave back doors open
in these things.
We've known for years that these companies
do that.
So we're actually replacing not just your
phone,
but how you communicate with your
messaging services,
getting you on open source end-to-end
encrypted messaging.
We're also replacing the apps that you
have dependencies on.
Everything on the above phone,
you're going to still be able to do
what you want,
but the app's going to be named something
different.
It's going to be an alternative.
Anyone can start using an above phone
today.
It's working.
This technology is here.
I'll bring it up on the screen in
a second.
And it works with whatever cell service
you're already using.
So if you're using AT&T,
you can switch that service over to the
above phone.
It works anywhere in the world.
I don't know.
You might have some international
listeners.
So there's no reason to not get started
and to start getting some of these
contacts that you have on popular
platforms and get them on private peer to
peer means.
Because this thing is coming,
whether you like it or not.
Man, this is absolutely, I mean,
somebody wrote in the chat here, yeah,
man, it's like the jab.
It's like the mark of the beast,
and we all see it coming.
It's like a slow-moving train.
And sadly,
we live in the United States of amnesia
and believe that none of this stuff that's
happening, you know,
the carnage that's happening in the Middle
East, you know,
Israel walking all over Gaza like they're
Godzilla.
and the whole nine yards all this stuff
is happening over there and we tend not
to think that it's going to happen here
was happening in australia i mean it's
just a couple of years ahead of us
i suppose and then here we are you
know it's um it's coming right at us
and by and large nobody seems to care
well the people in this audience do care
but real quick hakeem tell everybody where
They can get more information about an
above phone and the benefit.
Well,
obviously you described the benefits of
it.
I do have one question before you get
to that.
What about personal banking and stuff like
that,
that people may be accustomed to doing on
there?
Let's say my, my, the bank I have,
you know, has a app.
Is it okay to put that on an
above phone and be okay?
so there's special ways to work with
banking apps we know they're not the most
private um so what we do is you
can actually create a separate container
for any app i call them like junk
food apps you don't necessarily want them
on your main phone but you can throw
them in a little jail so the little
jail is is where they live and you
can switch over to that little jail
anytime you want to use them they're
completely separated from your main
profile
so they can't communicate with your main
profile they can't see what's going on
there so you can throw the banking apps
and the social media apps or even like
google apps you could use those if you
want to all in this little jail so
that's one way you can improve your
privacy i will say that banking apps are
already trying to crack down on this right
it's no it's no surprise it's like all
right the financial arm and the banks
those are going to be one of the
first groups to sign on with the digital
id it's it's heading there so quickly
So I will say that some banking apps
have started to enforce that you need to
use an officially licensed big tech phone.
It needs to be Google licensed.
It could be a phone that is over
ten years old that doesn't get security
updates.
But as long as it's an official Google
phone,
they don't care about your security.
They want your compliance.
so that uh they they don't really care
about the security it's about having make
ensuring google has control over your
phone so in these cases in some particular
banks not all of them have already started
to try and enforce this what you can
do instead is you can just use the
website for the bank right it's online
banking and that's not too difficult um i
have a credit union that still works on
the above phone and i know some of
our customers have banks that they've
decided to start doing their banking in
the browser
They do it privately.
They do it on that same profile,
like I just mentioned,
and they're not having any problems.
Well, man, that's really awesome.
And I'll tell you what's even more awesome
is the fact that you saw all this
coming.
I mean, you know, how did you,
I mean, it may be a stupid question,
but I got to ask, I mean,
how did you foresee all of these things
coming down as they are right now?
And then better still to come up with
a solution long before anybody else did.
What was your motive for doing that?
Yeah,
I think it was just trying to serve
where I could.
I got my start with the Freedom Cell
Network and I was already awake for a
long time,
but this is something I kind of like,
I didn't know what I was doing.
I ditched my career because this was right
during the pandemic.
And I was like, all right,
you guys want me to build a digital
prison.
I'm not doing it.
So let all that go and started working
with the Freedom Cell Network.
And then as we blew up that year
because of COVID,
uh because of the lockdowns and people
wanting to find sanity i realized all
right this is the juice this is like
the sauce of technology this is what tech
should be all about and then i also
got to see like what we're up against
i got to see google de-platforming us
removing us off the search engines i mean
the underhanded tactics that
big tech was they, they, you know,
I can't say it was them specifically,
but there was definitely something going
on where our sites were targeted.
I was like, okay, this game,
this game is rigged.
And that got me set on the,
the privacy tip, like how much,
how much power do these companies have
actually?
And so that's what I've been doing for
the past five or six years.
And like, you know, this thing,
this stuff is coming at you like a
fright train.
You can't miss it.
I think, I think I just have, uh,
given up a good portion of my life
to just be like all right i'm this
is what i'm gonna learn about and you
know i i do it because i care
and also because i want to see a
future where there are no walls in between
people and people can share and when
exchange whatever they want without having
the government involved technology
involved i mean that's our right here in
this free country
Well, yeah, it's supposed to be.
But yeah, sadly,
everybody seems so willing to give up
everything.
And we'll just see how much more we
lose over the next year.
But it's good to know that you're working
on some serious solutions.
So folks, go get yourself an above phone.
Go check these things out.
Hakeem,
let's get into what you came on for
because you're the consummate expert in
all things like this.
To a lesser extent,
I suppose I am to a much lower
degree, at least.
I was excited to talk with you because
I knew you used to build these things.
Yeah.
I'm really glad.
It's been a long time coming,
but I'm glad we're talking now because
this report I've been working on,
it's going out next week,
but it's interesting.
You need to know.
You have a special background where you
not only know
the power demands and the dynamics of
electricity that go into these things,
like how our power grid works.
But you also know the ecological side,
where our water comes from.
I'm really excited to wrap about this with
you.
Yeah.
I'll go ahead and kick out where I
am on this.
Folks,
I'm more on the construction and the
things when it comes to this.
I know a lot of people, look,
I'm out of local union, one,
twenty-four electricians local in Kansas
City.
Um,
and I can't even begin to tell you
over the last, before I quit, you know,
doing electric work, I would say,
ninety percent of the work I did over
the last decade or more actually were all
data centers.
I mean, I've worked everywhere,
car plants, tire plants, you name it.
If it's a manufacturing,
I do industrial electrical work.
So that's where I specialize because
that's where the money's at.
And, um,
the data centers folks just from what i
know just from what i know i talked
to there's two guys named ryan one of
them runs all the maintenance at one of
the powerhouses near kansas city the other
guy is an electrician that became a
electrical engineer who now works at one
of the biggest places and i'm not going
to say where it is because he's like
number two there now and i called him
up i said hey ryan
Look,
give me the skinny on these data centers.
I said, I've worked on many of them.
I don't recall there being water issues.
What's up with that?
Ryan told me,
and I've talked about this before, Hakeem,
he says,
I can't understand it and I don't know
why, but yeah,
they're taking fresh water to cool these
things.
I'm like, it makes no sense.
You have a cooling tower and it recycles
through.
There's so many different ways you can do
a closed loop system for the most part,
cool everything off using the ground as
your means of exchange.
And he's like, yeah, I know.
I don't get it.
We're taking it from aquifers and we're
dumping it out on the ground in most
cases.
And then the other Ryan who runs all
the maintenance at one of the powerhouses
up there, he says, dude,
we got so many powerhouses going up here.
And I won't say how many megawatt this
particular one is because I don't want to
give him away either.
But he says, bro,
just on this one coal-fired powerhouse in
Missouri,
Just one of these data centers going up
right now could use up all that we're
putting out right now.
And this is absolutely insane.
So I've worked at these things for years
and years,
was totally unaware of all the other.
I knew we were building prisons.
I just didn't expect it to happen this
fast.
So Hakeem, sorry for the long intro,
but everywhere we look,
there's data centers being built.
I mean, everywhere.
Why is this happening now?
I'm really glad you shared that because
that's the other side of the equation.
It's so crazy that it's like a kind
of spiritual law.
So you can only be your worst enemy,
right?
This only happens by consent.
And these electricians, I mean, man,
I know they're getting paid right now.
but do they really know what they're
building?
And I'd love to work with you to
find a way to reach out to them
because the thing is,
we've only built about half of the data
centers so far.
Let's do some background.
So the first thing you need to know,
like Billy,
the data centers you were working on back
in the day,
early two thousands or before that even,
those were traditional data centers.
And honestly, they were pretty reasonable.
Now, so I built this map here.
I'm going to bring it up on the
screen.
This is AI data center map dot org.
You can go through and you can see
all pretty much all the data centers in
the entire country.
I don't have all of them,
all of them.
But if I zoom in here,
you're going to see here.
Let's go into Dallas because there's a
nice cluster here.
You're going to see these red dots.
Then you're going to see these black
triangles.
And I'll say that the red dots,
those are traditional data centers.
You don't really need to worry about those
too much.
because they're not really using that much
power.
The black triangles are the ones you need
to worry about because this is something
we call hyperscalers.
Let me zoom in.
So these are called hyperscalers,
and this is the next generation of data
center.
These guys start at a hundred megawatts or
more.
So you can see this campus in Dallas.
You can see that, all right,
Google's building it.
It's planned.
It's not built yet.
It's gonna use three hundred fifty
megawatts.
But so how much power is that actually?
Well, it's a lot.
This thing on its own is going to
displace a hundred and twenty-two thousand
homes.
These hyper-scale data centers,
and now there's another tier on top of
them.
They're getting even bigger.
We're calling those gigascale because
guess what?
They're actually using the gigascale.
We could go to Louisiana,
Right.
Another another county out in the country
of Louisiana,
they go to like places that are kind
of far out there,
not so strong economically.
They do this.
They target these areas because they can
build something that takes two gigawatts.
Right.
This is almost two million homes worth of
power.
So that's kind of, you know,
there's levels to this thing.
So you got to kind of see where
we're at.
We have built out a lot of hyperscalers
the next few years up until twenty thirty.
Actually, primarily,
they're going to be building gigascalers.
So we're like we're still have a long
way to go.
And my my worry is if they finish
building all these gigascalers and data
centers to full completion,
people's wells are going to go dry.
Like there's going to be mass
environmental collapse and we need to stop
these things before it gets there.
You know,
I don't know what scale it was that
I worked on,
but there was a time when I ran
a job for Cerner Corporation and it was
in Kansas City.
It was a data center.
I was the one running that job.
And at the time,
it was considered one of the biggest in
the world.
And then I remember working at the
Facebook data center in Fort Worth.
And just one of those buildings of the
five data centers that they have in there,
just one of those buildings was at least
ten times bigger than the one I'd worked
on in Kansas City.
So I don't know where that thing,
whether it's a giga, mega,
I don't know where it is in that
continuum.
But, man,
there was a lot of strange things that
went on when they brought those servers in
there because, look,
I've worked in this area for a long
time.
I know what a server looks like.
hakim i know this is like going off
the beaten path a little bit i probably
ought to say this privately but i'm just
going to say it while we're here um
we were working seven days a week and
there came a weekend where they said okay
nobody's coming in nobody can figure out
why well one of the server rooms
All of a sudden, over that weekend,
was absolutely positively filled to the
brim with these servers that I'd never
seen before.
And strangely enough,
they didn't give off any heat.
And in fact, they had all the windows.
There's only maybe two entrances in and
out of most data centers because it's air
conditioned.
And it's on a raised floor the whole
nine yards.
And they taped off.
with, I don't know, some kind of paper,
all the windows.
And I'm looking at devices in there that
didn't make any sense at all.
Now, I don't know what those were.
All I know is that they were saying,
look, this is top secret.
Nobody goes in here for any reason
whatsoever.
You're gonna sign an NDA if you do.
And I'm like, man,
I've been in a thousand data centers.
What's the big deal?
And then I was looking through a crack
and a number of others were, they're like,
dude,
these look nothing like data centers.
I'd like to know who, first of all,
put all of them in,
in this massive room.
in one weekend.
I don't know what's going on,
but that does drive the next question.
I mean,
I guess I should have led with this,
but what exactly is driving this whole AI
data center boom?
it is um i mean it is ai
right these these next generation of data
centers and i'm not sure if that's what
you were seeing there but you know a
good clue would have been are there are
there pipes are there water pipes running
into these things because now they've got
you know direct to chip cooling which uh
they need to do because we're talking
about this ai chip that has two hundred
billion transistors in it like this is the
most
computationally proficient thing on the
planet.
This is like the pinnacle of technology
today that it can do this many
calculations.
It can do a trillion,
trillion calculations per second.
And I'm talking about the NVIDIA Blackwell
GPU,
which is in a lot of professional data
centers.
So when you have something with this many
transistors that can do this many
calculations,
if it's running at full load,
it gets so hot,
it's comparable to the surface of the sun.
so you know it it's that hot so
maybe the data centers or the servers you
were seeing weren't throwing off much heat
but maybe it was being cooled or something
i mean i don't know but all of
these uh data centers are being built
we're absolutely over building past
capacity from what i can see my estimates
is that right now we have around fifty
gigawatts
of power in the united states being
directed towards these data centers you
can you can like this is just from
my estimation you know what i did was
i went on the internet and i scraped
any information i could find about a data
center and i put it on the map
that's all i did you can go to
my map and you could actually pull it
down i'm not hiding the data from you
it's free and open to all you can
do your own calculations i'd love for you
to give me a updated estimate but the
thing is is that we're over we're out
building china
And by twenty thirty,
we're going to have two hundred gigawatts
of power get dedicated to these things.
That's what's planned.
That's forty percent of the entire current
U.S.
power supply or power demand.
so i i can't i have theories you
know we can talk about the surveillance
aspect which is it's definitely a part of
it i mean we can't deny that we
could talk about how um the national
institute for standards and technology is
talking about you know they're kind of
hinting there's going to be a cyber war
with china also the ceo of anthropic has
said the same thing some other people have
as well um or we could talk about
um you know we could talk about them
being stupid and greedy
which is like totally valid too like why
are these things being built but um you
know more and more i'm starting to realize
it could be it could be military nature
so you know i've got i've got a
bunch of theories
Well, let's absolutely bat them around.
But first and foremost,
I guess I should say, you know,
there's a lot of people out there
thinking, okay, data center,
shmata center, you know,
why should people care?
Why is this a concern to you?
And why?
I got reasons,
maybe we'll cover that if you don't cover
them.
But what are the biggest reasons why
people should be concerned about?
Yeah, absolutely.
Let me pull up the map.
And I'll show you guys a few places
on the map.
So
It's especially scary.
This red stuff, by the way,
on top of it,
this is like the water risk.
This is not related to the data centers.
This was like the water risk before these
data centers were being tracked, right?
So more water is leaving these areas.
There's groundwater depletion.
They're pulling more water out than is
being restored in these areas.
So places like Phoenix,
where there's this huge cluster of data
centers,
you're gonna see effects like this.
If you click on any empty spot on
the map,
you're gonna start to see that I have
it on a fifty mile radius.
It's gonna tell you how much water is
being displaced per day of the planned
data centers in these areas.
So that is about seventeen million gallons
a day.
And again,
this is a very rough ballpark estimate.
There could be technologies that I don't
know about.
I just want to be fair.
You know, I could be wrong about this,
but going with like the academic standards
of about half a liter per kilowatt hour,
this is how much they're planning to use.
And when you're pulling that much water
out of an aquifer,
you're gonna have groundwater depletion,
right?
You've probably dug well on your land,
right?
That's tapped into some aquifer.
You've maybe dug down three or four
hundred feet, whatever.
The water will go down, right?
Because we're pulling millions of gallons
out, but it's not being restored.
It's evaporating and being sent into the
atmosphere.
So the water level is gonna go down.
It's not gonna come back up.
And for me, man,
I don't grow all my own food yet.
I'm relying on badasses like you and
farmers out there.
So if you do have a well out
there and you're next to one of these
areas, it could go dry.
And that's the real scare here.
Not to even mention the environment,
but your water could go dry.
Well,
the blessing to me is that I live
in a very,
very mountainous region and they would
have to cut off
It just doesn't make sense for them to
put one anywhere near me.
But, you know,
this is – I think it's deleterious to
health in many, many ways because,
number one, first of all,
you bring up Arizona.
Why would anybody put a data center in
a flipping desert?
And if you are,
why wouldn't you put it underground where
the ground temperature,
which is around fifty-some degrees,
would mitigate a lot of the cooling
effects that you need?
It's like everything is done in the most
stupid possible way.
It makes zero sense.
It's like it's almost being done on
purpose to deplete these resources.
But, Hakeem,
have you done any work in terms of
the EMF footprint of these things?
I mean, it's got to be horrendous.
I didn't focus on EMF,
but I do know a thing or two
about the other concerns.
There's two things to talk about.
And I just went off what people were
studying.
One is the heat island effect.
So there is a study,
these international researchers, they...
From space,
they took a map of the land surface
temperatures before and after data
centers.
And they found that, OK, on average,
if you start a hyperscale data center,
the temperature goes up by two Celsius or
four degrees.
And you feel this effect within ten
kilometers.
Right.
So heat dynamics,
it's going to accumulate the more data
centers there are.
So you can click on the map and
it'll give you a breakdown of how much
the temperature is going up from the data
centers that are around it.
And so you're getting crazy off the charts
temperatures like in this area in Arizona,
the temperature should go up by twenty
degrees once all these data centers are
done.
So that's I mean, that's one thing.
It's like, OK,
now you have the heat rising.
That's a major health risk,
especially when you combine it with the
diesel generators that are throwing off
nitrates and oxygen.
sox and all of these uh fine matter
particulates that are coming off of these
generators so it's causing respiratory
issues it's causing heart issues it's
known to do that it can actually combine
with the heat effect to cause stroke so
uh these these are a massive risk to
your health um there's also the noise
thing these things sound like a a vacuum
cleaner at full blast which means you're
not getting any sleep
Animals start to go crazy.
You know,
they start tearing their hair out.
Any free roaming animal is going to just
straight leave the area, right?
So there's all these like terrible
impacts.
This is anti-human,
anti-life impacts of data centers that you
got to talk about.
Well, here's what blows my mind.
I've worked in a number of powerhouses
over the years as well.
I mean, you know,
we got them all in America.
We got coal fired.
We have nuclear.
We have gas.
We have all these things.
And you'll notice that every one of them,
almost every single one of them is
situated next to a river.
next to some body of water,
because all you're really doing at a
powerhouse is you're boiling water and
it's turning, you know,
as crazy as it sounds,
that's exactly what it does,
regardless of the combustion means.
Why on earth would they situate these
things?
I mean,
do we have an answer for that?
Why would they situate them in a desert
where in a powerhouse,
they'll take the water, cycle it through,
use it for what they need it for,
and then run it right back into the
river?
I don't understand where all the water
usage need is even coming from in these
data centers.
It makes no sense at all.
Because, in fact,
the way you'll have a two-foot raised
floor in most data centers,
and the air conditioning is blowing
through there.
So I don't understand where the cooling is
needed and why the water is needed in
a way that they're saying.
I just don't understand that.
Do you have any reckoning of any of
that?
this extreme heat this is like this is
heat that these these ai chips for one
they need to run at a reasonable
reasonable temperature in order to keep
operating and they just get so hot at
full load that um water is going to
be the only way to cool it down
like air chillers are not going to be
economical in fact like the amount of heat
that you're pushing out of there it's
going to use too much energy
So, you know,
one of the theories that I have is
like, yeah, like there I mean,
there's way better places that they could
have built them.
And so on the map,
you can actually see these things laid
overlaid on the major U.S.
aquifers.
So you can kind of see that relationship.
You can almost see the pattern.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean,
they're strategically positioned.
I mean,
this one in Denver is the most obvious.
There you go.
It's all sitting on the Denver Basin,
right?
So they're all strategically positioned
with water.
That's one aspect of it.
The other aspect is you can also see
the high voltage power line grid on the
United States.
Boom, that's the other thing, right?
So it's access to water.
It's also access to cheap power.
And I think that might be the most
important thing
So, I mean,
you probably know better than me,
but I do think the Southwest has better,
you know, power generating more.
So sorry.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
It's the most secure grid by far.
yeah i mean yeah i mean dude i
i i didn't know that for sure and
i it was great getting that confirmation
so like yeah i mean they do it
out of power that's why texas is
completely taken over by these things and
uh they want cheap they want cheap land
cheap water cheap power and easy
regulation so they can build these things
so if you know i'm sure you and
i could probably find much more conscious
and aware ways to build these data centers
i mean build them in alaska right
Build them somewhere where people need
heat.
Or build them in water-rich parts of the
United States.
But no, you're kind of right.
It feels like it's being done by design
or just straight incompetence.
Now,
I tend to think that it's a lot
more going on here.
Hakeem,
I'm going to ask you to step out
a little bit because, honestly,
in this audience, bro,
you're not going to freak anybody out.
Believe me,
I've run off anybody at this point.
I mean,
I just did a video the other day
talking about the acceptable use of the
N-word.
So there's not anything you're going to
say.
You know,
there's not anything you're going to say
that's going to run these people off.
So, I mean,
I got to know because everybody is asking
and we, you know,
our main demographic is going to be people
that are older than me,
people that are boomers,
and they really want to hear the truth
and they want to hear it hard and
raw.
I have theories as to why this is
going on.
I asked you earlier and you said you
have theories.
Bro, feel uninhibited.
I mean,
don't say anything that's going to get us
kicked off of YouTube because
But yeah, let's go into it.
Tell me exactly what you think all of
this is for,
because this is totally your wheelhouse,
man.
And I don't want to shortchange these
folks.
so we we all know the the the
ultimate technocrats like wet dream which
is to get us in a fifteen minute
city where everything's monitored
everything is programmatic and the problem
is is that no one i mean the
cities kind of suck people are people are
leaving cities right now right so people
people feel that where are they going
they're going out to the country why
because there's land
there's power, and there's water.
So this is the final frontier.
I mean,
after the greatest wealth transfer in
history, I mean,
they did a pretty good job.
People are broke around the country now,
okay?
What's left?
These guys, they never stop.
This entity, this beast system,
it never stops.
So what can they take next?
It's the land, it's the environment,
the power, and the water.
You take these things or you make it
unaffordable, you're starting to not...
be able to pay your power and water
bills, which in some parts of the country,
close to data centers,
they've already tripled.
And from what I'm seeing in my analysis,
if these data centers all get built out
and start using the maximum amount of
power,
which I'm leaving space for me to be
wrong,
but I am seeing power bills are going
to at least double no matter where you
are and triple and quadruple in places
with the cluster of these.
So you're getting to a spot where
oh, OK, well,
now I can't pay my power and water
bill.
I'm going to have to send my land
and I might move to the fifteen minute
city where these things are subsidized and
in control.
I mean, that to me,
that makes a lot of sense.
They need a way to push people out
of these areas in the country.
So I think that's that primarily that's
the biggest conspiratorial reason in
addition to the surveillance.
But that's that's one theory.
Well, where does it stop?
I mean, for me,
I'm going to tell you what I think
it is.
And I'm just you tell me if I'm
way off base here,
because I've talked to I remember I had
Dr. Sherry Tenpenny on here.
And then the other day I had Dr.
Jane Ruby talking about this.
Well, similar things.
Both of them,
if you were and I don't mean to
put words in their mouth,
but I'm pretty sure they would agree with
me that every every single thing we see
unfolding right now seems to be a part
of a depopulation plan.
Which may be why they don't care about
how many data centers they're putting up
in the power usages because they're
expecting maybe to not have the humans
there to even care about it.
I mean, think about it, bro.
They had all how many people go blindly
stagger blindly in the taking a jab for
disease that had a ninety nine point nine
percent recovery rate.
Right.
I mean, this is crazy on its face.
And so when you look at these data
centers, I remember,
and I'm going to go a little sideways
here.
Hakeem, check this out.
I didn't get to look at all the
blueprints.
In fact,
for the first time in my electrical
career,
when I was working at that one data
center in Fort Worth,
They would only give us an iPad,
which was strange because usually we would
get blueprints, like physical blueprints.
They gave us an iPad with just a
very redacted section of the thing I
needed to work on.
Hand me this iPad.
And at those days,
I'm something of a Luddite.
I'm like, what do I do with this,
man?
How do I blow this up?
And it turned out it was actually better
than blueprints.
And then had three D orthographic
diagrams, the whole nine yards.
And I'm like, okay.
So when I got used to it,
I'm like, okay, well,
can I get a bigger picture?
They're like, absolutely not.
So I went to the general foreman who
did have access to the bigger prints.
And I remember there was some sort of
thing that didn't make sense to me.
And I needed a clarification.
And I said, hey,
can you figure this out for me?
He says, look, man, just walk with me.
I was working on second shift out there
because they paid more money.
I walked into the job trailer over here
and they had physical blueprints that were
a mile thick,
like nothing I've ever seen before.
And so this guy was something of a
major, major gamer, the whole nine yards.
And I said – I don't recall his
name, but I said, hey,
why on earth are we building this thing?
What is it for?
He said, dude, this is all for –
you know,
Oculus or whatever they would call it,
you know,
like he thought it was going to be
for some gaming nonsense or whatever.
And I said,
do you think they built all this for
gaming?
He says, well, if not, he says,
I can tell you right now that according
to their own specs,
just this one building in this complex is
enough to handle all of the data from
the history of time until this day and
then into another thousand years.
Just that one building of the five
buildings.
So why would they have that?
What would be the purpose for that,
Hakeem?
I mean,
you can go as sideways as you want
to, bro.
But I mean,
I just don't see anything good coming out
of this.
Why would you need that much computing
power when the thing in Bluffdale, Utah,
they said from way back,
had more than enough to cover the whole
world?
I mean,
there's got to be something more
nefarious.
Yeah, man, you're keying in to this.
Yeah, I mean, so there was a plan.
There was a whole government office called
Total Information Awareness Office.
You've probably seen it.
It's got the logo with the pyramid with
the eye on the top.
And then it has a ray around the
Earth.
It's watching the entire Earth.
And so there's this office that used to
work on software that would start to track
about everything, about everyone.
The software was called LifeLog.
And early in the two thousands,
news outlets started reporting on it.
So they shut it down on the same
day they shut it down.
They started Facebook or not.
They started Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg completely separately.
not not coincidentally at all started
Facebook right and and so I think we're
heading into late stage a late stage
surveillance state where they will
actively try and collect data from every
device simultaneously so you know you
mentioned that you mentioned that
It would be enough storage to handle all
the data from history to current time,
but we also have a lot more data
sources today.
So to look at this next-gen surveillance
and even predictive policing,
where you have systems that are capable of
absorbing data
footage from CCTV cameras or flock cameras
or what you're posting on social media or
even what your devices are picking up on
your home.
This is now possible.
It's absolutely possible.
And companies like Palantir,
which also have very close associations to
intelligence agency and intelligence
apparatus and also these total information
awareness programs,
are building the software that can finally
glue these different sources of
information all together so you can make
sense and reason and you can drill down
into like if you're focused on an
individual person you can drill down on
them and see their information but you can
see their family as well and you can
switch over to them you can see who
they're connected to right the software
that they're building is making it
possible now they say only police
departments well I mean they have
They have contracts with pretty much every
federal agency.
But what we know on the surface is
that this is being used in police
departments and they have this level of
control where we're now private private
institutions like colleges and
universities.
They can send their CCTV data off to
the police department and that's where it
all gets gathered.
Right.
So we're talking about this this fabric of
surveillance that is pervasive.
It's everywhere and everywhere.
It's the panopticon, if you will, right?
It's always watching,
but you never know if it's watching.
And we're getting very close to this
becoming a reality.
And maybe the backbone of it are these
data centers.
Well, I mean,
Good night, Hakeem.
I mean, I'm wondering where does it stop?
I mean, yeah,
we got a faction of people out there
right now chopping down these flock
cameras who I see as American heroes to
me.
Of course,
all the boomers they had on Fox News
talking about it thought, oh, well,
this is so awful.
Man,
I hope they chop every last one of
them down.
And I think when people realize that there
may be gold and platinum and silver and
stuff in those things,
they may just come down a little bit.
They may just come down a little bit
sooner than I hoped.
But I mean, that's just one small.
We're all walking around with a flipping
bugging device right in our pocket unless
we got an above phone, right?
Exactly, man.
It's exactly.
And there's AI on our phones and laptops
now.
So it's like,
that's a whole layer that no one,
I don't think you ever voted for that,
right?
You weren't, it wasn't ever like, hey,
do you want to install AI on your
phone?
No, yes, no.
No, it just happened one day.
And now that thing is integrated into your
keyboard, into your messaging.
It's like listening to everything you do.
And like simply you using a phone is
justifying the build out of
the data centers so you can sit there
and tell me that i don't want these
data centers being built or i'm not i
don't want to support it but in actuality
you are supporting it with your phone so
um this is why i'm trying my mission
is to get everyone large swaths of people
especially the freedom community all on
phones that are completely separate um
can't be hacked aren't pre-hacked
right when you use a normal big tech
phone they can install apps without your
knowledge they can remove apps they can
turn on your bluetooth this has been
proven and um to use a phone that
is actually sovereign and hardened so yeah
i mean this is possible and it's going
to take millions of us to do this
to actually persist against the
surveillance state we need to kind of
break off and do our own thing here
Well, speaking of which,
I guess that's my next question.
I mean, how do people escape this?
I was just recently down in El Salvador
twice and hanging out with Dr. Jack Cruz.
Now,
if you look into his work and what
he's discovered or at least revealed
regarding blue light and what's on these
phones and how...
They,
instead of doing MKUltra the old-fashioned
way, well, they realized, well,
the mob realized at first that they could
use blue light in a casino,
blue light dominant in a casino,
and they didn't have to beat you over
the head to get your money.
They could just get a scantily clad woman,
give you a little bit of alcohol,
and you're handing it over left and right.
And, of course, you know,
you got all these devices now, you know,
blue light, day, night, whatever.
And I guess I don't know that I
could say publicly what he said to me
privately, but I'll tell you what,
it's enough to make the hair on the
back of your neck stand up.
So I guess my next question is, is,
you know,
outside of getting on the first thing,
smoking to some degree,
Place in the middle of nowhere.
Is there any way to escape any of
this stuff besides the tech measures that
you've created with AbovePhone?
I mean, I'm talking,
can you physically get up and go or
is this thing just like a net over
the entire planet?
So, I mean,
there's some things I can point you
towards and like there's people taking
action against this,
but it is really pervasive.
So it's like my friends at this website
called deflock.me, right?
This is just one example.
but they're tracking and they told me the
last time I talked to them,
this number was eighty thousand.
But now they're tracking one hundred and
ten thousand cameras in the United States.
So, you know,
the first step is just being aware,
like we have to go out and find
these things.
These things are popping up everywhere.
So they're doing that.
There's actually a
national day against these automatic
license plate readers here this is coming
up august sixteenth the twenty second so
um check it out see if there's something
in your town and uh reach out reach
out to these cities uh find these events
locally and you know get involved because
that's what it takes this is all about
people power they have billions of dollars
at their expense all we have is each
other
So do get involved.
And this is again,
this website is noalprs.com.
You could also go to Deflock,
which this map is really cool.
You can go into your hometown,
wherever that is,
and you can see exactly where the cameras
are.
So it's a heat map of everywhere here.
Let's go.
Let's go over here.
Let's go to Denver.
and it's really cool because you can uh
let me see how to do this you
can actually like navigate between two
points here you go you can create a
route so let me go from here yeah
where am i starting choose on map go
from here to here and so
Yeah.
So they can find you a direct route
without any cameras,
but it's not necessarily easy.
You have to you have to.
Oh, here we go.
Yeah.
The direct route and the practice route.
So this is what we're having to do
now to avoid these things.
You have to like tiptoe around it.
Luckily, we're not as bad as China yet.
China's got, you know,
seven hundred million CCTV cameras.
But that's what that's what this is.
All this is inspired by.
That's where it's headed.
Um, last thing I want to mention is,
uh, the first day of August, we, uh,
we are also doing a national day of
action against data centers and doing that
with my friend, Derek bros.
And so if you are signed up on
the AI data center map, um,
you will be the first to know about
this and we'll get some people ready local
debt to make, to make a plan.
Cause I don't know what's going on in
your neighborhood and you don't know
what's going on in mine.
It's going to take us occupying our space
to actually have alternatives to what's
coming.
Hakeem, I got to ask you,
where do you see,
and be as brutal as you want.
I mean, I just like the truth.
I mean,
given your background and what you're
aware of and the mitigation measures
you've come up with,
I got to ask this question.
Where do you see America, not maybe now,
but let's say five years from now,
if we don't stand up and start kicking
some butt?
I mean, it's not good.
I mean, I'll give you my vision.
And of course, there's always two.
It's a duality.
Everything in nature is a duality.
So we almost need one part to be
extreme so we can have extreme freedom.
But in the areas where...
it's going to be bad in the cities
primarily.
I see, you know,
I see drones flying around everywhere and
they're delivering food,
but there's also police drones.
We know that that's now a thing because
of the FIFA World Cup.
We actually do have local level anti-drone
and drone operations going on because of
the World Cup.
That's just now started.
And you're going to start to see a
lot more surveillance in your face.
You're going to see the,
You're going to see the self-driving cars.
You're going to see more advertisements
everywhere.
And yeah, I mean,
you're the main thing will be a big
section of society will be gated off by
the digital ID.
So you probably have noticed this.
And, you know,
if you go to a big box grocery
store, you know,
you have those gates open.
that like swing open.
It's like, why are the,
why are those gates?
They don't do anything besides just
momentarily impede you when you walk in
the store.
They say, when I asked them, um,
so a few stores that said, ah,
it's for shoplifting.
It's like shoplifting going into the
store.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah.
That, that is a,
that is a terminal for digital ID.
Once it's ready.
And there might be a cyber attack or
something.
I do sense a cyber attack coming in
the next one to two years.
And I do think things will change
dramatically after that, where it's like,
no, we need to be so secure.
We have to protect our grocery stores.
And so everyone,
we must know your identity when you walk
into these stores.
So if you're dependent on any of these
big box stores,
I'm not just talking Walmart and Whole
Foods.
I'm talking like Home Depot, Lowe's,
Target,
Berks Outlet, you name it,
any department store,
they're coming for these publicly traded
companies,
and they will put their digital ID wall
on them.
So that is what the future looks like
for people who live in the cities.
For people who are building out in the
country,
or just maybe a bit farther out from
the cities, I don't see any of that.
But we really do need to be completely
self-sufficient in every way.
And that's why your show and the work
you're doing are so important.
Well, at the end of the day,
you know,
we don't have to leave very often and
we don't.
I mean, when it comes to my farm,
but every once in a while,
you're going to have to go to a
city.
This is why I'm saying,
if you think you're insulated in the
country, I got news for you.
Next time you get building materials,
where are you going to get it?
You can go pay three times as much.
You can go to the local hardware store
I have near me in Mars Hill and
And you're going to pay three times much
for everything,
but you're going to probably look for a
Lowe's or a Home Depot or something like
that.
And then no matter what, Hakeem,
I'm interacting or I'm having to interact
with the very things that I'm trying to
escape.
This is...
You know,
I'm glad we're doing something of a good
cop, bad cop, because honestly,
the way I see this thing going down,
I'm glad you're providing some hope.
Are you the bad cop?
I think so, man,
because the way I see this thing going
down, bro,
we just found out that wealthy elite are
eating children.
Nobody cared.
We just found out that we are a
party to flipping genocide in not only
Gaza.
Now, here we are, you know,
and who's supplying all the missiles?
It's us.
And still nobody cares.
We find out that Fauci knowingly,
knowingly murdered probably more people
than the merchant of death.
probably a hundred times over.
We find out all this stuff and nobody
cares.
And I see this as a mark of
a decadent society
And true of every decadent society in
history,
they never wake up until the crucible of
really hard times comes down on them.
And I'm hoping that people like yourself
are able to speak.
I mean,
I'm just looking at this as a historian,
and I'm saying, okay,
can I find a single time where a
decadent society has ever corrected itself
without the crucible of really hard times?
No, you ain't going to find it.
and sadly i'm thinking okay without a
great calamity that jumps off i don't see
this american public waking up everybody's
fat dumb and happy we're going on a
two hundred and fifty anniversary
supposedly two hundred and fifty
anniversary and we've destroyed a country
okay,
it took Rome at least two millennia to
destroy their country,
to destroy their empire.
We're doing it in two hundred and fifty
years.
Okay.
And I don't see anybody that really cares.
I don't see anybody that, you know,
we got a executive branch right now.
And believe me, folks,
I'm a political atheist.
We have an executive branch.
It doesn't even matter.
It doesn't even matter who's in there.
They all work for the same people,
the same people that we're not allowed to
talk about.
And
It doesn't matter.
So, I mean,
do I have a black pill?
People can say that.
I just think I'm a realist.
And historically,
I know that nobody wakes up until it
gets really, really, really, really bad.
And by that time,
you got the boot on your neck.
So, folks,
that's why I'm encouraging everybody.
And that's why I'm so glad that you're
on here to tell people, well,
it's not all lost.
It's not all hope is not lost.
But we do have to do something.
We got to stand up and fight.
I'll have people jumping out the window,
bro.
What would you like to leave everybody
with before we close it down here?
Yeah, brother.
No, I appreciate your wisdom.
And yeah,
it is going to get worse before it
gets better.
The night is darkest before the dawn.
You know, that's just how it is.
That's that's that's human nature.
But we can we can live in our
example.
And when it does go down,
people will start to pay more attention
and there will be a large,
I would say,
thirty percent of people are going to peel
off.
Right.
Just let's use this Mexico thing as an
example.
Around half of their entire population did
not comply with the digital ID.
We just have to know that somewhere out
there,
right now we're separated by a social
media wall and algorithm.
We can't really connect with them on that
level.
But there are people who know that things
are wrong.
And I do think there are going to
be massive layoffs where people now have
all this time to themselves.
And it's actually a beautiful thing that
that happens.
And we need to be there as embodied
leaders working in alignment with nature
because that's the true abundance.
That's where everything, you know,
everything is provided for us.
We just have to trust that and we
have to be willing to.
to build new systems that people can get
onboarded with.
We can't really,
we cannot be a part of that prepper
mindset.
Like that's the trap,
the prepper mindset where it's like,
this is all mine and like,
you better watch out.
I mean, if you come here,
I'm gonna shoot you like, oh yeah,
you didn't listen.
You were a normie, right?
It's too late for you.
We really need to get out of that
mindset because we can't do this.
You know,
we can't do this without a larger group
of people.
And there are people that are close to
that line.
We really need to believe that.
And we need to work with them.
So it's not like we're going to give
them food for free,
but we will give them a chance to
earn and grow their own food.
After all,
seeds are the gifts that keep giving.
This is like an infinite abundance
generator.
And that's what God has provided for us.
And I think there are secrets,
even on the data center issue,
that
Yeah, a lot of aquifers might go dry,
but I mean,
you probably know a little bit about
primary water.
There's so much about this planet we don't
know.
And I don't believe in an unfair God.
I think that this system has made things
fair,
but this is just kind of an illusion.
So things are going to burn down,
but it's a purifying fire.
It's the fire that melts away all the
old crappy mindsets that are locked in and
only new systems will emerge out of the
ashes.
And so that's what I think about every
day as I do this.
And that's why entrepreneurship and
starting to be your own leader is so
important in your communities.
Couldn't agree more.
But I tell you to come full circle
with this.
I just thought of something while you were
saying that, you know,
Mexico might very well be one of the
best barometers out there.
And here's why I'm saying it.
Can you imagine the government coming in
and telling some vato named Little Frog
that now he needs biometrics to start his
Chevy?
Yeah.
Bro, it's going to be on.
And then plus,
every Mexican dude I know of, man,
all they roll in is in cash.
So now all of a sudden you're going
to tell them, hey,
we're going to turn this thing.
They have killed leaders for less.
So you know what?
Maybe Mexico is the absolute perfect
barometer for a lot of this.
Because like I said,
you start messing with a Vato Chevy, bro,
it's on and in a big way.
So, Hakeem,
tell everybody how they can find you and
how they can get an above phone.
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I would love to do an episode with
you sometime and have you on the show.
Man, I'm all about that, bro.
Well,
I want to thank Hakeem for coming in
here and doing this.
I know the time was unusual, but man,
I want to thank everybody for checking us
out in the chat.
Y'all, we live in a crazy doggone world.
It's getting crazier by the day.
But I'm thankful that there are people
like Hakeem out there that are providing
solutions that actually work.
All right, y'all.
You know the deal.
Till next time, stay alert, stay alive.
Let the season change,
watch the world spin.
From the smallest sprout,
the harmony begins.
In the cycle of life,
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Turn it to the beat,
feel the fire and thrive.