Many people want to wait for the opportunity to work, but really it is, I'm going to work hard

so then when the opportunity does come, I'm going to be ready. I'm not sitting on my couch waiting

for an opportunity. I'm not sitting on my couch waiting for an open door. No, no, no. I'm just

going to keep knocking every door. And when God does open a door, I'm going to be ready for it.

For a season, God taught me, "Berno, are you willing to worship with your hands

without worshiping with your mouth?" So bro, I learned how to worship God rolling up quarter

quarter inch cords, XLR cords, putting batteries

and microphones, like that was my worship.

And he had to break that, he had to break that pride off of me

where at 18 he had to look me in my face and say,

"Brenno, this is not about you.

This is about me."

This is the Made to Advance podcast.

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So today I have with me Breno Aquino

and Breno is a Christian hip hop artist

who is passionate about sharing Jesus globally,

which he is uniquely equipped to do

since he raps in both English and Portuguese.

Some people have too many talents.

Breno has all kinds of incredible music

you can stream online, including his new album, Vida,

and his just released collaboration with Forrest Frank,

"Jesus is Alive," you gotta check it out.

And on top of all that,

Breno's also a pastor right here

in my home state of Michigan, Breno.

Welcome to the show.

Sir, it is good to be here, bro.

It's an honor.

Man, I'm so glad that you're here.

And I thought, we gotta get into your background,

but first just tell, we were just talking about this,

but we ended up connecting because,

well, I'll start out my part of it, all right?

So my wife, I'm working out and she sends me

your Lace Up Your Boots remix or whatever you'd call it.

And I'm like, man, this goes hard.

And I'm like, you know, I'm pretty sure I was having

my best, like hitting personal best that day.

Let's go.

Because I was like inspired.

And so she sends me that track.

I send it to our worship pastor, Pastor Jerry,

and I was like, "Bro, you gotta listen to this."

He's like, "You know, I think it was just like

"fire emojis back."

I don't even know if he used words, all right?

And so that was all that happened.

And then you take me on your side of it here.

Yeah, so then I'm on Instagram,

And I've heard of this fire worship team.

I don't know if you ever heard of them,

Ngeti Worship, Ngeti Music, y'all should check 'em out.

But me and my guy Troy, we were put on to you guys.

And then I saw an Instagram reel of War

with Lace Up Your Boots, the mashup.

And I just commented, like fire emojis, like this is fire.

And then I get a DM right away from the Ngeti page

saying like, "Yo, we love your Lace Up Your Boots

"rap remix."

I'm like, "Let's go, this is awesome."

And then just trying to get to know them, like, man, where are you from?

And they're like, man, we're here in Michigan.

I'm like, what?

It's like, yeah, in this city called Holland.

I don't know if you've heard of Holland.

I'm like, bro, I know where Holland is.

I've been at that beach 1,000 times.

Like, it's just down the road.

And then as soon as we figured out, we're only like less than two hours away

from each other.

From there, we just clicked.

And we just had to start talking.

And like I told you, like Pastor Jerian, who leads all of Ingrid Music, man,

he was so encouraged.

So I'm sure it's breaking his heart

that he's not able to hang out with us.

I would have had him in the mix.

Like we've had that before where I'll like,

if somebody's got a unique connect or whatever,

I'll be like, "Hey, you wanna jump in on this thing?"

Which would have been fun.

So Jerrion, we'll have to do a part two someday for you.

That's my brother.

Yeah.

Tell me about your story, like just background

and yeah, a little bit of bio

and then also how you came to know Christ.

Yeah, so I was born in Brazil.

So I was born there, and then when I was eight months old,

we moved to the US.

I was born into ministry.

My parents were worship pastors before I was even born.

They met, lead, and worship together.

So we were part of a small local church in Brazil,

and they felt the call to the US, which is really cool

because usually people in the mission field,

they feel a call to be sent out of the US

into another country.

They felt the opposite.

They felt the Lord was saying, "Go to the US."

And so they just were obedient.

And when I was eight months old, they sold everything, packed their bags, and we moved to the US.

First moved to Indiana, where I had some family.

Come on, another Hoosier in the house! - Come on, come on.

What city in Indiana? - Elkhart.

Oh man, I've been to Elkhart many times. - Let's go, let's go. Shout out Fighting Irish.

I don't know if I'm bold enough to say that. - Whoa, whoa, whoa.

It just came out, man. - It's the overflow.

I don't know if we're gonna have to edit all that out right there. - Should we stop?

So let me ask this, are your parents both Brazilian?

So my, okay, yeah, so my dad is full Brazilian,

but my mom is half American, half Brazilian,

because to just back it up a little bit to my grandma,

she was born and raised in Michigan.

She was a Mennonite, and she felt called

to go to the mission field as a nurse.

So she moved to Brazil originally as a missionary nurse,

met my grandfather, she stayed in Brazil,

and then my mom was raised in Brazil

as the American in the city,

and then met my dad, and then we go back

to where my grandma's from.

Now that makes sense, because when I was listening to the,

like you got that video up for your release party of Vida.

Yeah.

And man, I think your mom talked for a minute there.

Yeah, she did.

And she has no accent, I think,

and when she speaks English, does she?

Right, no, she's fluent in both.

Yeah, but even when she speaks English,

you don't hear the Spanish side come out at all.

It just sounds unaccented.

Yep.

Yeah, so that's what I'm like,

man, I wouldn't have thought her being honest.

Yes, yep.

you guys are in Indiana. - Yeah.

And then how do you end up in Michigan?

Yeah, so while we're serving at this small church,

my mom, because she has family in the area,

her cousin was a part of a church plant

in Southern Michigan, in Centerville, Michigan,

and just saying, "Hey, we just started a brand new church.

"God is moving, you guys should check it out."

And as soon as we get to the service,

it's so powerful because my dad couldn't speak any English.

Wow. - He didn't know any English,

but he gets to that service and he's like,

"God is here and I wanna be here."

He can't even understand it, but he was like,

"We gotta be here."

Spirit of God.

Yup, God was moving them.

So we moved to Michigan,

and then we joined this small church in Michigan,

and man, God just continued to pour out his spirit,

pour it out, pour it out, pour it out.

And that was actually the church I was raising,

and that's actually the church I'm still a part of today.

Dang, that is amazing, yeah.

So our current pastor, shout out Pastor Don Smith, PD.

He's the man who discipled me and trained me up

to be in ministry.

They moved to the church when I was about six years old.

So he's been my pastor since I was six.

Okay, wow.

So to now, full story, now I'm part of the church staff.

It's insane.

Wow.

So yeah, so growing up in that church was amazing.

My parents continued to lead worship.

It was amazing.

My dad was leading worship before he could even speak

English, so it's, yeah, it's been amazing.

Now tell me about your spiritual journey.

Were you like just, "Oh man, I grew up, some kids are like this," just kind of

straight up and to the right, so to speak, growing closer to Jesus, and other kids

have more, you know, ups and downs? - Yeah, I had ups and downs. I will say this, I

had amazing parents. My home life was incredible, and I know that's not a

testimony for a lot of, you know, church kids, but bro, who my parents were

on Sunday, that's who they were Monday to Saturday. It's amazing. So they created

an amazing home culture where it's like we were excited to be a part of the

church. I was violent told to do all the things for all the church kids, you know

what I'm talking about. We didn't have a drummer so I became the drummer.

We didn't have a piano player so I became the piano player. So I'm at church

four times a week, you know, first ones to get there, last ones to leave. So that was

my upbringing and it's kind of like you look back and you see the times where

although God's hand was on you, the enemy was trying to come and disrupt. And you

know, he tried to come and disrupt, you know, different things, you know, where we

lived, our neighborhood, just different things. There were just some

different situations where I was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and it

allowed some dark things to come into my life innocently, you know.

So at a young age, as I'm at the church going to worship practice, going to

Sunday school, I'm now battling addiction to pornography and no one knows about it.

So I'm at this crossroad where I love Jesus, I know all the songs, I desire to please God,

but now I'm ashamed because I'm the perfect church drummer with this hidden sin that no

one knows about.

So that was a huge battle.

But honestly, through the addiction, through the sin,

like God was slowly just revealing himself.

Slowly, slowly, slowly.

And I can just think of a couple different times.

You know, my pastor, what I love about our pastor

is that he's vulnerable, you know, from the pulpit.

He doesn't fake it.

If you know Pastor Don, you know,

what you hear on Sunday, that's who he is.

And I remember this one time, I'm like 12, 13 years old,

and I hear him say the P word behind the pulpit, right?

I hear pornography.

And I'm just like, yo, what?

Like my pastor right now is talking about this.

And he opened up on how he struggled as a young man,

but God set him free.

And he's like, "The first step to freedom is vulnerability,

"and you have to tell somebody."

So then I'm at this place, excuse me,

I'm in the eighth grade, and I'm just like,

I didn't realize it at the time,

but I was having conviction.

I was just like, "I gotta tell my dad

"that these things happened when I was younger,

"these things, and I'm struggling."

And I was super scared that my dad wouldn't embrace me,

but I went to my dad and was like,

"Hey, I'm struggling with pornography.

"These things happen, I don't know what to do."

And his first response was like, "Brenno, I love you,

"and we're gonna walk through this together."

And that was a huge pivotal moment in my faith walk

because I heard, not only did I hear my dad say I love you,

but I heard my heavenly father in that moment say,

"Brenno, I love you,

"and we're gonna go through this together."

So at a young age, by God's grace,

I was in accountability in high school.

And then as this is happening,

I played basketball in high school, love basketball.

And my freshman year of high school,

I invited my pastor and his wife to come to one of my games.

And it was a great game, we won.

And there's like one of those moments,

I love when the Lord uses natural moments supernaturally.

So we finished this game like any other game,

my pastor comes to me and just like,

I don't know why, looking now, it was the Holy Spirit,

but he looks at me, he was like,

"Bernard, are you gonna be in the NBA?"

And I'm like, "Nah, probably not."

And he was like, "So what are we doing?"

And then he invited me on a discipleship journey

at 16 years old, 15 years old, he was like,

"Let's just start reading the Bible together."

So then from there, me and my senior pastor

started just walking together, we'd get breakfast,

we go through different lessons on like,

this is what salvation is, this is what worship is,

this is what it means. - How often do you guys

meet together?

So there was a time we were meeting every week,

and he would give me homework.

He was like, "Read these verses, write down these notes,

"and we're gonna talk about it together."

And then he does a yearly discipleship program

where he grabs about 15 guys,

and we go through the whole Bible together,

and we memorize verses together.

So I'm doing that at 18 years old

with my senior pastor and a group of other men.

So bro, by God's grace, I was plugged in

a spirit-filled discipleship-making church from the start.

So this is what I knew.

So I never had that Saul to Paul moment,

but man, I had these pivotal moments as a young man

where like by God's grace, he caught me early

and he revealed his heart early.

I love that like, for parents out there,

not just, I mean, we got some people

that are listening for sure who are in ministry

and they're like, "Okay," 'cause I get this question

all the time, our kids, again, by God's grace,

like our kids are doing great.

We got two out of the house and married

and one that's in college that's now working for Enghedi,

but it's just, they all love the Lord,

it's just amazing, the two that are married,

married spouses that love the Lord.

So then I'll get these questions though,

that are like, "How'd you guys do it?"

And obviously, number one, there's no formula

and it's grace and all that.

But what I love about what you just said is your parents,

literally, I just gave this advice to a pastor,

at another church, I said, number one,

just be the real deal, like follow Jesus,

the way, not just at church,

but just all the way behind the scenes.

And then my second thing I always say is,

be like a place where your kids can come

and be emotionally real with you,

where you can connect on that level,

even let them in as appropriate

into your own journey and weaknesses.

And I love that your dad, like that response,

when you're bringing that moment to him,

I mean, there's two different directions that could go,

and he just like, man, put such a deposit in your story

and respond in that way.

It's such a great example of good parenting.

And then to have your pastor build into you like that.

If you were to ask him, and maybe you have,

why, were most of the dudes older than you in that group?

Or were you, okay.

If you were to ask him, why did he invite you into it,

what would he say?

Would he like, "I saw something in you,"

or was it just like, "The Lord put it on my heart,"

or like, why did he, why you?

I think, if you know Pastor Don, he is passionate about legacy.

He's passionate about giving all that he has to the men behind him.

And I would say, yeah, he saw something that other people didn't.

He saw it.

You know, like everything we're getting to experience today, like, I truly believe, like,

he saw it.

So he's like, "We're gonna captivate it right now."

Right now.

And he's so passionate about, you know, he's like, "Our ministry is like, I don't wanna

to be the old guy, 90 years old, walking to the pulpit on a limp.

And then when I pass, he's like, "What's the plan?"

He's like, "I want to be in the back of the room, the cheerleader, cheering this place

on with our disciples."

So his heart for discipleship, he saw something early, I believe.

So yeah, eternally grateful for him.

Where'd your love of hip hop start?

Man, it was in high school.

So being a drummer, drumming is my first love.

comes the most natural for me. So drumming, I was in love with that and then

I started listening to you know Christian hip-hop because with my

parents being worship pastors they were very strict with what I could listen to the house.

You got two options with hip-hop. - Yeah, there's no middle ground.

You know, it's either Lecrae or you know, yeah. So yeah, it's like I

I didn't have an option, so I picked Lecrae.

That's what I loved about my parents,

is they just loved music.

Whatever the message is, they were all about it.

They were never like, "Oh, what's this rap stuff?"

No, they were about it.

I remember my dad, he took me to all the Lecrae shows

in Grand Rapids.

He did all the stuff.

When I was in high school, Lecrae, Andy, KB,

there was a shift that happened,

where it's like now they're getting awards.

Anomaly went as the number one album in the country.

That was my junior year of high school.

So it's like, I was like one, one, six.

I loved it.

So then I had a friend in high school that he would make beats, FL Studios, Fruity Loops.

So he was like, "Bro, come over.

Let's make beats."

So I fell in love with it right away, making beats on Fruity Loops.

So I started just producing first.

I never even tried to rap.

I was not writing in my notepad.

That wasn't me.

I loved music.

And then I had some, there were some local people

that they loved to rap.

There was like, "Man, I heard you make beats, Bruno.

"Like, make beats for me."

And then, they're not believers,

so they were like, "Wrap me their lyrics?"

And I'm like, "This won't fly.

"You know, this is not gonna work."

So I had these folders of beats,

senior year of high school,

and I'm just like, "Let me just start rapping."

And this is hilarious, bro.

My rap career started off as a joke.

Really?

Bro, the first song I ever dropped

was a song called "Break Your Ankles"

and here's the story.

Junior year, this is junior year,

so this is the end of junior year.

I'm at home with my friend

and my friend, shout out Tyler, he's a farmer.

He ain't a rapper, bro.

We're hanging out.

I saw he's also, if anybody's watching right now

or listening and they wanna see Tyler

and they wanna hear a little bit of this song,

It's on the album release party for Vida, yes.

That's right, it's on the vlog, we played that.

He did not look like a hip hop legend that came in there.

No, he had cowboy boots with some grass stains

on his jeans, like that's who he is.

So me and him are hanging out randomly,

and I'm like, bro, I make beats, like check it out.

He's like, bro, we should make a song.

And I'm like, about what?

And we both love basketball, he's like,

basketball, break your ankles.

So the chorus is like the dumbest thing,

it's like break your ankles, break your toes,

Breaking so much bones you don't even know.

Break your arms, break your legs,

break your heart and now you're dead.

Like bro, the most random whatever.

And then we post it and then it's like

in our high school, in our county,

like it goes crazy on Twitter.

Just because everyone knows, it's like bro,

those are our friends, they made a song, this is hilarious.

So then from there, I just started making like comedy songs.

Like I hated chemistry class, so I made a whole song

about how chemistry is whack, like on Twitter.

And it's like, these things happening.

So through that, bro, I fell in love with writing songs.

So then from there, I fell in love with it.

And then it was just this side thing I did, where it's like I was in high school, just

whatever, but then I'll go home and I'd make beats on Fruity Loops, I'd record over it,

and I would just have fun.

It was never something serious.

This is just a thing I do for fun.

When did it shift on like, okay, this is...

Well, one, when did you shift from just making fun, almost like parody raps, to stuff that's

that.

So that's question one.

And then question two is when did it start going, "Okay, this feels like it could be

something more than just doing something for fun."

Yep.

So while I'm making the music, I finished high school and I ended up going to Bible

College in New York just 'cause I just knew university was not for me.

I just knew, I was like, "Man, I got..."

I did all the tours.

I toured Grand Valley, Western, Cornerstone.

I did all the college tours.

I'm like, "This is not for me."

someone suggested go to Bible college, go to seminary.

I'm like, I love the Bible, I wanna learn in that,

so why not?

So as I'm in Bible college in New York,

two of my roommates were on fire for the Lord like me

and we loved to make music too.

So now I'm in college making songs about the gospel,

like literally the gospel, with my roommates.

And that's when it started to be like,

okay, this is a tool for the gospel.

And then at the end of my freshman year of college,

there was a couple of my friends here from Michigan

passed away through a motorcycle accident

and then something else.

So then I made a song in memory of them,

talking about like, do you know where you're going

when your life is done?

Like tomorrow's not promised.

Do you know where you're going?

And I did this whole song

and all these friends from high school,

They're not even Christians.

They're reaching out, "Yo, this song spoke to me.

"This song spoke to me."

So that was the first moment where God is like,

"I'm gonna use this.

"Keep writing music."

I just felt God say, "Keep writing songs."

So all through Bible college, I was just writing songs.

I'm like, whatever the Lord was speaking to me,

I wrote a song about it.

If God was teaching me about finding healing in Him

through relationships, I'm writing about that.

If God is teaching me about what worship is,

I'm writing about that, like just folders of mixtapes on my SoundCloud.

It's all on private, by the way.

I could make it public, but all of these songs of just being on fire for the Lord.

So out in New York, we would go out, we would go evangelize, we're at soup kitchens, we're

doing homeless ministry, then I'm going back to my dorm and I'm just writing, I'm writing,

I'm writing, I'm writing.

So during that time, In the Secret, God was just pouring out just his spirit over the

of music and just, that's where I really got my reps in

and really my passion.

And then when I finished college, God was like,

you know, you're called to do this.

This is not a hobby anymore.

This is your calling.

Yeah, so that's when you start pressing in.

I think it's good, like when you're talking about reps,

there's, you know, for anybody who's listening

who's got like a dream or vision,

one, it's clear you were living out of passion.

Like this wasn't, I'm supposed, I have to do this

or I'm just trying to think about something

that'll get me a paycheck.

Like you were excited about what you were doing,

which is what was giving you the energy

to keep just going, going, going,

and get the reps in so you could be good at your craft.

If that was what was going on,

like in a sense, sometimes I'll think about,

with discipleship, I'll think about our head,

our hands, our abilities, and our heart.

In some ways, I'd put getting reps in of writing songs,

they're coming out of your heart, but the process,

I'll put that in the hands category.

What do you think God was doing or needed to do

inside you to get you ready from just a character and walk with Christ kind of perspective when it

came to actually, "Okay, now I'm starting to be more... I'm performing, I'm in public more,"

stuff like that. Wow, that's a great question. Bible college, God had to deal with me. I think

because He knew... No, I think He... I know He knew what was coming, so He had to work on my heart,

bro. I get to Bible college, and one quick story, I get to Bible college, I grew up on the worship

at home. So I moved to New York and like there was some pride, you know what I'm

saying? Senior in high school, I'm making songs, people are enjoying the songs.

You're a multi-instrumentalist, you can play everything.

Right, bro, I'm feeling myself. I'm 18, I'm feeling myself. So there was some

pride, definitely. And there were still some character things that were not godly

and God had to work on. And in one way, I get to Bible College and, you know, there's

chapel at Bible College, so they're like, "All right, we're going to do worship

auditions. So bro, I'm heading into this worship audition at Bible College, saying

like, "I'm him, bro. I'm him. Like, oh, we got-- name a song, let's go."

Yeah. - Right? "You want me to hop on keys? You want me to hop on the drums?

You want me to sing? I can sing." All of this stuff, bro, right? Bro, auditions are

finished, the worship director comes to me and say, "Hey, we need a sound guy for

the semester. You're gonna be the sound guy."

Bro, I'm like-- - God knew what you needed.

Yeah, I'm like, sound guy, did y'all hear that audition?

You know what I'm saying?

But then right away, God was like,

I'm gonna teach you how to worship from the back.

So for a whole semester, bro, I'm like,

I'm the one running sound,

I'm the one serving those on the stage,

and God was teaching me, that stage, bro,

has nothing to do with worship.

Has nothing to do with a heart of worship.

It's all right here.

Like your hands can worship more than your mouth,

and I need to see that.

So for a season, God taught me,

Bruno, are you willing to worship with your hands

without worshiping with your mouth?

So bro, I learned how to worship God

rolling up quarter inch cords, XLR cords,

putting batteries in microphones.

Like that was my worship.

And he had to break that pride off of me.

Where at 18, he had to look me in my face and say,

Bruno, this is not about you.

This is about me.

Yeah.

As that's happening, bro, we had a guest speaker

coming at one of the chapels, Bob Sorge,

an amazing writer, amazing author.

He comes in, bro, and like, I knew of him

because I read books on him for class and stuff.

Amazing writer.

He comes in, bro, and I forget the timeline,

but as an adult, as a senior pastor,

he lost his voice box.

So when he speaks, he can only whisper his sermons.

So that whole chapel, bro, he whispered a sermon

and bro, there was not a dry eye in the room.

Like that was one of the most anointed, powerful sermons

I've ever heard and the man whispered the whole time.

And in that chapel, the Holy Spirit spoke to me

and said, "Brenno, if I remove your voice box today,

"what could you give me?"

And I lost it, bro, broke me, broke me.

Because if I was honest with myself at 19, all I could give at that point was my gifts

of rapping, gifts of singing, gifts of speaking.

And God said, "If I took all of that away tomorrow, would you still be a threat to Satan

in your life?"

And I had to be repentant and be like, "Nah, God, work on me.

Work on me."

So that year, bro, I deleted, I deactivated all of my accounts.

I deactivated my Instagram, which was active at the time.

I deactivated it.

I deactivated Facebook.

I deactivated, deleted everything off YouTube,

deleted everything off SoundCloud.

I'm like, "All right, God, all I am is yours.

"All I am is yours."

So that was like, that's when God

had to really start working on my heart.

And then I was a part of a traveling ministry

during Bible college where we would go to,

it sounds bad, but we would go to dying churches

that needed the pulpit field.

And our job was just to go in there and preach

for 10 people.

So me and two other guys, we would hop in my car

and every Sunday we'd be at a different church

in upstate New York, preaching the churches

that didn't have pastors to preach.

So bro, every Sunday I'm preaching,

leading worship in churches of 10 people.

And it's like, man, God would move.

God would move.

God would move.

And now to answer your question, years later,

one of my first shows as an official artist,

10 people were in the room.

So I look at my DJ, my DJ comes to me,

he's like, "Bro, there's only 10 people."

And I'm like, "I've done this before."

God is here.

The same way he was at with me in 2019,

he's gonna be with me today, let's go.

Yeah, and you're there, by that point,

you've learned, hey, this is an audience

of one kind of a thing.

Yes, 100%.

Whether it's 10 or 100, you're doing it for one.

100%.

And that's a hard lesson to learn, though.

Very hard.

It's an important one, but it's hard.

I really, I think that for the person who's listening

right now, who maybe feels like, man,

they know they've got something in them,

and they're like, I just don't know why,

God isn't opening this door, I don't know why

I'm doing this job when I can tell I've got the gifts

and the passion for that.

And it's just a really good hearing this,

a good time for somebody maybe out there

to just be thinking, man, maybe God is,

it's about what He wants to do in you now,

not so much just yet what He wants to do through you.

And you had to be, like Hebrews 12 talks about that idea

of spiritual training and discipline,

and it's great for those, but the text says,

for those who are willing to be trained by it.

And so I think that sometimes,

when things aren't, when we're not getting our dream,

or as fast as we want,

or we're not doing exactly what we hoped,

we can get bitter and angry,

and feel like God forgot us and all this.

And that's one option.

Or the other option is to say,

God, what do you wanna do in me?

How are you gonna use this season?

and God clearly had something he wanted to do in you,

but the part where you had to respond was receiving that

and letting God train you and not just, you know,

sitting in a corner prideful, I'm not doing that,

I'm not, sound guy, you see what I'm capable of,

you know, I'm gonna go out and do my own thing, you know,

you chose to say, I'm gonna let God use me in this way

and work in me.

Yeah, and it's all about faithfulness.

We look at the life of Joseph,

God was so much more concerned about his faithfulness

what was in front of him,

because God, like, God, he's outside of time,

he's outside of the picture.

So God saw the palace from the beginning,

but God knew maybe, we don't see this in scripture,

but is it maybe because Joseph's heart at 17

wasn't ready for the palace?

So God put him on a journey of like,

let me see if you're faithful in prison.

Like before you get everything in the palace,

let's see if you can control yourself with Potiphar's wife.

How about that?

And in the same way in our lives,

we wanna get to the top right away,

But we ought to be honest and say,

"Hey, is my heart ready for that weight?"

Because the top or whatever, the influence,

it looks beautiful, but bro,

there's a lot of responsibility that comes with influence.

I know you know this.

Being a leader, there's so much weight.

There's so much more attack.

So God is like, "I need to build up your character

so when the Potter for Wives show up,

I need to know that you're gonna have self-control

and trust in my plan."

So we have to be willing to be part

the process of faithfulness before anything comes.

Because what does scripture say?

Faithful with a little, faithful with much.

We're just out here asking for the much.

And God is like, bro, the little is right in front of you

and you're doing nothing.

Yeah. - Right?

That's so good.

And you had on the one hand,

like that time in college was really formative.

God's doing all this in your heart.

But we both know that journey of being faithful,

of not letting like glittery things or lights

kind of take us over, that's not a fight that ever stops,

whether it be ego or pride or whatever.

So I know part of your journey is,

you're like dialed into your local church,

just like we were talking about earlier.

It's not like I'm just out there doing big things

and that's all I do.

Talk to me about how that local church community,

how your relationship, you're a pastor at that church,

and we got Devin here, another pastor,

come on, shout out Devin.

But how does that local church connect and those relationships help keep you

grounded now that you do have a different kind of platform than college?

How's that working?

Man, it is everything, bro. It's everything. Because here's the reality,

somebody sees me on Instagram or somebody sees me at the show, the only

context they have is Breno the artist, Breno the rapper. But man, when I go home

to my Sunday morning service, they don't know me as Breno the rapper, they know me

as Breno the husband, they know me as Breno the father,

and they're doing real life with me.

And I think us as Christian artists,

being in the Christian industry,

it can be so easy for Pride and Ego to come in

because you fly into a church, you get people excited,

you do some songs, you got kids wanting to take pictures,

you got autographs, and all of the things, it's all great.

It's part of the whole, you walk into green rooms,

people are blessing with all these things.

All of those things are good things,

But if that is the only source of church life you're getting, you're a king.

You're not a servant.

Like if that's the only context you have of the church, you're a king.

You're the man. You're him.

So then now when accountability tries to creep in, they're like, "What are you doing?

Go get me my snacks.

What are you doing trying to come in here?"

Right?

But when I'm connected to my local church, they could be like, "Praise God,

you got a song with Forrest Frank, but are you still reading your Bible every morning?

Are you, all right, okay, sounds great,

but remember, we have to go stack some chairs

before we have the meal later.

Right, these things are a part of my life,

so that has helped me see,

bro, all of these shows that I get to do,

touring, song collaborations with Forrest,

going viral on social media, those are great things,

but that's not real life.

Like, it's glimpses of amazing things

that God is breathing on, but that is not real life.

Like real life is building a family at home

in my neighborhood.

Real life is Bible study with guys I go to church with.

Real life is life group, right?

Like breaking bread with people I'm doing life with,

like praying for our friends because, you know,

they're wanting to grow their family.

Praying for my friend because he lost his job,

but it's like, we're gonna do an offering for him.

Like those things are real life.

So it allows me to have the freedom to say yes

to the church shows, say yes to the conferences.

We're gonna do those things, but as soon as we're done,

I'm flying back home because I got service at 10 a.m.

because these are the people I'm doing life with.

Yeah, yeah.

I love that, and while somebody listening

might not be like, well, man, I'm not like a hip hop artist

that travels around to the shows,

but what happens, I find, is that when people experience

some level of success professionally

and they get some resources and stuff like that,

it can be easy to be like,

I don't need the church community as much,

I don't need, or I'm gonna kinda do these fun things

that I got resources to do.

Or they can be like some of the stuff that we do

in the church to serve people.

I love when, on the one hand, yes,

when we can have people doing just things

they're super passionate about,

but sometimes chairs just do need to get set out

or whatever.

And I think that for anybody who's experienced,

I mean, for anybody at all, but especially for those who have experienced some success,

like being dialed into a real community, real people, choosing to serve, doesn't matter

how much of a big-timer you are at your job, like, "I'm just here to be part of the family."

Yes.

And that's it.

Just here to serve.

Like, what did Jesus say?

"I didn't come here to be served, but to serve."

Yeah.

So Jesus the King is willing to get his hands dirty for the sake of the bride.

Like, who are we to think we're too good to set up chairs?

too good to be on the volunteer team. It's like, no, if Jesus was here, he'd find,

he's like, "How can, how can I help?" Right? So it's like, no matter where

you're submitted to, whether you are an artist or you're not an artist, get

yourself submitted to local government. Like, it's a matter of life

or death, you know? It's like, humble yourself to a pastor. And your pastor

doesn't have to be perfect, doesn't have, you guys don't have to be on the same page on

everything, but submit yourself to somebody. That would be my advice.

That's a good word. I'm gonna switch the topics now to something that's dramatically less deep and to something just straight up fun.

Yeah.

So you're on Sway in the Morning, I think in the fall. Was that in the fall?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What was it like?

Pro?

I mean, first for those who have no idea what we're talking about.

Yeah.

To talk about what Sway in the Morning is, what it's like, you know, why it's important, etc, etc.

And then talk about what it was like being actually on it.

Sway, Sway in the morning.

Sway in the morning, shout out Sway.

One of the top, if not the top, hip hop radio show

that goes beyond one generation.

He's like multi-generational, his impact is crazy.

He had a lot of impact on MTV back in the day.

He's just anybody who has any type of influence

in the hip hop world has been on Sway's show

and has done the interview,

has done the five fingers of death,

has done the freestyle.

So like, I grew up watching Sway in the Morning, right?

You know, without my mom knowing,

because she would have killed me.

But I loved Sway in the Morning growing up.

So then for us to, you know, meet Sway,

and for him to invite us as a rap community

to go and give them Jesus on a secular platform,

are you kidding me, bro?

The answer is yes.

We're gonna go, and we're gonna one,

give them Jesus, which is the mission,

And two, show them that we have the gift and ability

to stand in front of any other artist

at the same level musically.

So that's what we did.

All my brothers that were on there did amazing.

So to be one of the few to do that

was such an incredible honor.

It was like, if the 14 year old Breno knew

that that was gonna happen, he wouldn't have believed it.

It was an amazing moment, bro.

Well, and part of me is like,

if the 14 year old Breno is probably better for any of us

that we don't know some of the stuff God's gonna give us,

'cause back to the ego thing.

Come on, pastor.

Now we're talking.

I'll let myself know those things

when I got the character to be able to handle

knowing those things.

Yes.

So what was there?

I mean, I know Sway was super appreciative

of what you guys brought to the table,

but do conversations happen with the production team

or whatever?

What's their, are they interested

in the spiritual side of things much,

or is that kinda like they put,

it's just like, "Hey, we're here to do hip hop

"and that's what we do."

Bro, no lie.

Christian hip hop doesn't have a serious positive response to it.

It's funny, on the mainstream side, you have that reaction of like, "Christian?

Christian rappers?"

It's kind of like the seriousness, it goes down a level of like, "Ah, what are these

preachers about to do and come on the show?"

So you could...

We felt that you could feel that vibe from different people of like, "These are Christian

rappers.

We're seriously about to give them a whole hour, about to give them 30 minutes, seriously."

So there's that energy.

And then we even get the energy from the church where it's like, "I can't believe we're in

these dark spaces trying to bring light into a place like that."

So it's like, there is a negative connotation from every corner.

But to go in there and to still do that, I know some people's opinions were switched

after we did our thing.

You could feel it in the room, you could feel it in the hallway.

It's like, "Yo, they actually killed that."

What a dream.

Oh yeah, bro.

A dream.

A dream.

Now, here on the...

I don't want to say the opposite of the spectrum, but there's Sway in the Morning on the one

hand, and then there's the whole Forrest Frank collab that just happened, just released.

Last week.

That's crazy.

That was insane.

I'm not going to be too cool to say that.

That was crazy.

So what, I mean, obviously Forrest,

you know, put some stuff out and says,

I'm looking for somebody to write verses basically, right?

Yeah.

And then you posted something, which was great,

but I'd like to think it was 'cause I comment on the post,

you know, like Forrest, this is it.

He saw your comment.

That was it.

That was it, bro.

Yeah, yeah.

It sealed the deal.

He hasn't yet written me to say that or, you know,

said, hey, it's all because of your advice.

He got his people in the works.

His people's gonna contact your people.

I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, it's going up.

So yeah, just tell me about the journey.

Tell me what's it been like for you then?

Like, I mean, Forrest, on the one hand,

you're not the only person he's collaborating with.

So has it been like, oh my gosh,

now social and stuff's blowing up?

Or has it been, how did it turn out

as far as what you expect, not expect?

One, it was a huge honor that he picked me.

I didn't see it coming.

Like my manager hit me and said,

"Hey, so-and-so emailed you about this."

I'm like, "No, that's not real.

"We're getting pranked."

But come to find out it was real, you know?

So we sent the files right away, we line it up,

and it's like, "Oh, this is actually happening."

So me and 19 others got to be a part of Jesus's

Alive! Volume 1, which is amazing.

So, and there's other cool things

happening in the works right now.

People gonna see it, people gonna see it.

Nice.

But man, it was a huge honor,

and it was a time to celebrate, bro.

'Cause I think sometimes, I don't,

like, I never want to minimize what God does, right?

At sermon prep this morning, we were talking about

the 10 lepers that were healed by Jesus,

and only one man came back to say thank you.

I always want to be that one leper that comes back

and be like, "God, that was amazing, thank you."

So the last week, I've told my wife, I've told my team,

"Guys, we're gonna take this win.

"We're gonna celebrate.

"No matter what it does to the team,

"no matter what it does to the ministry,

"to what we got going on, we're gonna take this win.

"And we're doing our best to just maximize on it

with new people now coming to my page, like who is Bruno, what's his story.

Are you seeing a lot of that or a little bit?

Yeah, a little bit here and there.

I definitely see it.

But it's like, at this point in my career, I've learned, I've had to learn quick that

we can't allow one opportunity to be the launching pad.

We have to give that space to the Lord and God has to be like, "Hey, I'm your launching

pad.

Opportunities are gonna come and go.

Do your part, but don't get off the path.

Keep going.

Right?

So this Forrest Frank opportunity is amazing and we will maximize, we will celebrate, and

we're going to continue to be on the path of what we were already doing.

So I think here's one thing.

Many people want to wait for the opportunity to work, but really it is, I'm going to work

hard so then when the opportunity does come, I'm going to be ready.

So I can say confidently, bro, with the amount of hours I put in my studio, with the amount

the songs I've written, when that fourth opportunity came,

I was ready.

I'm not sitting on my couch waiting for an opportunity.

I'm not sitting on my couch waiting for an open door.

No, no, no, I'm just gonna keep knocking every door.

And when God does open a door, I'm gonna be ready for it.

So back to the person that's saying,

man, God isn't opening any of these doors.

Okay, maybe it's because you're not putting in the work

for those doors, because it requires work.

There's a phrase I love,

and a friend of mine shared this years back.

I'm sure I could try to defend it scripturally,

but I haven't tried, but he said one day,

"God can't steer a parked car."

Have you heard that phrase?

Yes.

And I'm like, man, that's so good,

because it's like sometimes we're sitting here just,

and I get it, sometimes it comes out

of a real spiritual place, like,

oh, I just don't wanna get ahead of God,

I'm just praying, I'm just waiting,

and there is a place for that,

but sometimes that ends up being an excuse for inaction,

for laziness, for lack of faith, for lack of courage,

And sometimes we just gotta get it going.

And sometimes the faith thing is not knowing exactly,

is this the perfect right thing?

It's just like, no, I feel like God's given me

enough of a bump here, I'm gonna get moving on something.

Let's see what the Holy Spirit does with it.

So good, bro, we pull the God card on everything,

every part of our life, when in reality, we're just lazy.

It's like, nah, man, you don't want, you're just lazy.

Right, it's like, I'm gonna pray and fast.

Yeah, we're gonna pray and fast and work.

All three of those things are biblical.

And all three of those things are a requirement to be a follower of Jesus.

Paul wasn't at the excuse.

Paul pitched tents.

Paul had to work hard.

So he's like, "I'm gonna be faithful with what's in front of me, steward the kingdom,

and I'm gonna pray, and I'm gonna believe."

As soon as me and my wife got married, bro, we had nothing to our name, a two-bedroom

apartment, one Honda Civic, and we're just like, "Yo, we're gonna pray like nobody else,

and we gonna work hard like nobody else."

So when we first got married, I'm working at the church, but when I wasn't working at

the church I was giving guitar and piano lessons, or sorry, piano and drum lessons

three times a week just to like start saving money for the future. My wife,

she had a full-time cleaning business. She ran a full-time cleaning business

every day. So we're just like, we're gonna work hard like nobody else, but we're also

gonna pray and believe like nobody else. So when God does open a door, we stored

everything well, right? A couple examples. I created a booking form before the

bookings came. I had my buddy Jeff recently make me a website. It's not

because people were asking for a website, but because I know that people will be

needing websites, right? I have a booking team. Before the bookings came, like, I

had, you know, little things like when that Forrest opportunity did come and

they were like, "Hey, we need your files in this type of format." I mean, like, I

I learned how to do all of that.

So when an opportunity did come, it took five seconds to send those files.

So it's like, you got to work hard.

You got to work hard.

One quick analogy, this is how I process writing music and making things.

Because it's like, man, you're going to write a thousand songs and the thousand and first

song is going to be the lace up your boots.

Those moments just happen.

Even that story was crazy.

But the way I like to describe it, I heard it from John Belion, a musical genius that

I really look up to.

He's like, "Every day I'm going fishing."

And anyone who's listened to this podcast, who fishes,

you guys understand, not every time you go out to that bay,

you're gonna catch something big.

But the only way you can catch something big

is if you're out there fishing.

So I tell my wife every day, "I'm gonna go fishing.

Some days I catch a big one.

Some days I don't catch anything,

but you gonna never catch me not fish."

Right?

Man, that's so good.

And we're talking about it in some ways about,

your journey professionally, we'll say it that way,

and with ministry and music, but honestly,

obviously the way Jesus used that metaphor way back when

is fishing for men, and it's the same principle,

because I wanna say to people, sometimes they're like,

oh man, I've never been able to lead somebody to Christ,

or I've never had some kind of encounter,

and I'll be like, how many conversations have you had

with people just about your spiritual life?

How many times, 'cause if you're never fishing,

well, I can promise you right now what's gonna happen

you're gonna have very little evangelistic impact. And on the flip side, if you're like praying every

chance you get, "God, is there... With this server, with this person who's my mechanic,

with this person who'd cut my hair," or whatever, I'm just looking for opportunities, and you walk

through those doors, now all of a sudden you're gonna end up having more stories to tell of what

God's doing, because again, just back to what you said, you gotta be out there fishing. So

So are you still calling it your new album or is it like now it's too old for your new album anymore?

Well, that's good. It's funny you say that because I think, you know, I think it's okay, Devin.

I think I'm gonna announce it. We have a Vida Deluxe coming out in July.

Come on.

And it may or may not feature some people y'all know. So Vida Deluxe is coming.

So we're gonna keep pushing Vida. We're gonna keep pushing it because we got some exciting things happening.

Ah, I can't wait till it comes out, man. That's perfect for July too.

Yes, sir.

Release time.

Yes, sir.

Well, on tracks that are already out,

Yes, sir.

The original "Vida".

Yep.

You get really authentic about journey

you and your wife went through,

and I thought maybe you could just

share a little bit of it here.

Absolutely.

So on the album "Vida",

I have a song on there called "Still Good",

and it's all about processing,

losing a child to miscarriage.

So that was a thing me and my wife had to endure

the beginning of 2025.

We started off the year strong.

We started off the year pregnant right away, and we were so excited.

We were already married for three, three and a half, almost four years, so we're excited.

Here we go.

It's time.

And after 10 weeks, we lost a baby.

And that was not on my bingo card for 2025.

I was like, "Okay, Lord."

I didn't know that this would be a part of the story.

and even like the weekend that it happened,

I had a show on the day that my wife was miscarrying,

and that was crazy.

'Cause for anyone that has gone through a miscarriage,

man, it's such a rollercoaster of emotions

because some people, you know,

maybe you go through a miscarriage

and everything happened in one day,

but sometimes it like, it goes through multiple days

and you're waiting to hear from the doctor,

You got to schedule an appointment.

So for us, it was like this four day journey of just emotional roller coaster to where

day one, we were like, "I think this is happening.

I don't know, but let's keep praying and believing, but I think this is happening to my body."

And then on day two, still feeling like something is happening, we go to the doctor, but then

it's like an early pregnancy.

It could either be normal or the baby's gone.

It was so hard, I'm just being real.

Like, the emotions were like, to hear from a doctor saying,

"Hey, this is normal," or it couldn't be.

Like, man, thank you for the great response.

This is what I need.

So we were going through that,

and on one of those four days, we go to the doctor.

We don't hear a heartbeat, but the doctor is like,

"But this could be normal, so just keep believing."

And we leave that straight from the hospital.

go straight to the venue and I have to do a show. So I'm backstage wiping tears, putting

on my earphones, my in-ears, be like, "Lord, I don't want to do this." And I had to hop

on that stage and jump and declare of God's goodness and declare of God's faithfulness

while my wife is in the back losing our baby. And that next day, we finally heard from the

doctor because I needed to tell the doctor, I was like, "Doc, please don't beat around

the bush.

This is tiring.

If this is happening, just let us know."

Sure enough, we lost a baby at 10 weeks.

That was very hard because I've never had to grieve before.

For those who've gone through miscarriage, you know you're grieving a daydream.

You're grieving a dream.

You're grieving a hope.

You're grieving something that was literally in your hands, but before you could fully

embrace it, it's gone. So that was like, this is crazy. But man, God really met us, you

know, in our grief. This is another reason why you should submit yourself to a local

community because, you know, those are the people that are going to embrace you. You

know, Devin was at my house that night. Him and his wife pulled up to our house and embraced

us that night. Many others came over and just showered us with love and we walked through

it together with other people. So God really met us in that time because God was like,

"Berno, I need to teach you something about my goodness." And that God's goodness has nothing

to do with what we can get out of it, but has everything to do with who He is, period,

regardless of what's going on. So it's like, am I able to say God is good when we lose a baby?

Can he still, like, what does that even mean for God to still be good when not good things are

happening? Right? And God taught me that his goodness goes way beyond what I experienced,

but more about his character and who he is as a father, regardless of what happens.

Yeah, and that's such a powerful message to come out through your voice, because when people are

first discovering what it means to follow Jesus, there's still a part of pride for all of us at

some level that think, "Man, okay, now I'm following Jesus, like, things are gonna work

out great for me, He's gonna protect me from really bad or really hard stuff, I don't think

my life would be perfect, but I don't think this or that might happen." And of course, to follow

Jesus does not mean you are exempt from tragedy, and so to use music as a way to disciple folks in

their journeys to say, "Man, just 'cause you're following Jesus doesn't mean you're not gonna go

through really hard things, but you gotta cling to the character of God in the midst of that is...

A man is powerful. You guys ended up now, you've got a baby boy.

Yes, sir, rainbow baby.

And I'm curious to know, now having been a father and having gone through miscarriage,

do you feel like those two experiences are shaping how you write? Obviously, you did the track about

that experience, but I mean in a broader fashion, are you thinking about music differently at all

from both losing a baby and now being a father.

Yeah, 100%.

You know, I've seen it now as a tool to give God glory.

It's just so much deeper than,

let me just drop songs to provide for my family.

It's so much deeper than that.

And not always with a thing like,

oh, it's deeper than music, but it just hits different now.

You know, it's a matter of life and death

when I walk in the studio.

And even now, as a father, every minute of my day matters.

You know, me and Devin talk about it.

Devin, he has kids of his own, every time I hop on a plane and travel, it has to matter.

It matters.

The discipleship that's happening with my son, it matters.

The music we write, it matters.

'Cause now I'm thinking, when my son is in high school and he's listening to my music,

what lyrics is he hearing?

It all has to matter.

And knowing that, seeing the impact that that song "Still Good" was on people who've lost

babies, who people are fighting to believe to have a baby, infertility, miscarriage.

And I just feel like I need to say this too.

I feel like the Holy Spirit is prompting me.

For anybody listening that maybe you've gone through a miscarriage and you feel bad for

grieving because it didn't count.

No, it counted.

That baby was a baby.

If we believe biblically, when God says, "I knitted you in your mother's womb."

It doesn't say, "I knitted you at nine months," like, "in your mother's womb."

So God knitted a 10-week-old baby for me and my wife, and he blessed us the gift of being

parents for 10 weeks.

And I'm gonna see that baby in heaven.

So for anyone listening, you are a parent to that baby, so don't discredit that.

So yeah, I've seen the beauty of making raw and real music.

So for me, I think it's shifted me musically that as you hear my most recent music, it's

like this is life or death.

I have songs like "Let's Get Groovy," "Praising My Jesus," "Let's Have Fun," but it's like

I want my music to help people in the valley.

I want my music to be a war cry in the spiritual battle

'cause we're going to war.

Come on. - Come on, bro.

Like that's the type of energy I'm on, bro.

Like me and Ngeti, we're on the same page.

Like we are not messing around.

I think it's okay that, I mean,

that we talk about something that's cooking right now.

I think that's all right, isn't it?

Yes, that is okay.

Yeah, so you end up hearing our song "War."

Yes.

You DM Pastor Jerry and our worship pastor.

You guys hang out a little bit.

So what's going on with the war right now?

There is, it's official.

It's happening right now, people.

Ladies and gentlemen, there is a war rap remix

in the works. - Come on, come on.

And it's coming out this year.

Before y'all sing "Happy New Year, Merry Christmas,"

y'all gonna have a war rap remix on your playlist.

It's gonna be so good.

And it's gonna be insane.

It's what Chuck V has been waiting for

for his whole life, I know.

I know, I seen it.

He gave us a thumbs up, we good.

Oh, man, it's gonna be so good.

There are certain songs we've done

that the moment I hear 'em, I'm like,

man, this would be such a good song for a rap remix.

Yes.

So I've had this dream for a while.

We got one other song that's not really,

'cause that song we sing on Sundays.

It's not just like a studio song.

There's another song we did that's more a studio song

that we've got, there's a section of it that we've got.

It's not even a rap remix, there's just some...

There's one section that's got like a rap section to it.

And it's great, but this is gonna be special.

This is gonna be special.

I'm very excited for this.

I cannot wait.

So I can't wait for it to come out

and we just gotta make sure this conversation drops

before it comes out.

So I'll tell you what, let's just wrap on this.

Anything else you wanna share?

And also let me know how people...

Let us know how people can find you, follow you, whatever.

Yeah, I would encourage like what we're saying

is like don't underestimate the small beginnings.

Don't underestimate your small faithfulness

to little things.

Because at the end of the day,

what's the real win when we think about it?

When we look at the end of our life,

what's the real win?

Like is it to have a platform,

have influence for 80 years

and for people to talk about it?

or to be faithful with what God has given you.

Because influence can come and go,

but for my kids to look at me at the end of the day

and be like, "Dad, I'm an adult,

"and I'm excited to go to church this Sunday,

"and I'm excited to build a family

"because I saw you do it."

Bro, for you to say, I know you should,

I don't know your family yet,

but for you to say that you have an adult

that is here at the church serving,

bro, that's what I want.

that's the real win, to see the legacy of people following Jesus in your family.

That means more to me than anything. So to the people listening,

don't chase what's loud, don't chase what's shiny and bright, chase what's

right in front of you. -Yeah, that's a good word. -And give it your all. -That's a good word.

'Cause God can do with that so much more than anything else.

Yeah, yeah, man, I just, no matter what opportunities

I get, that old phrase of like,

"I'm the only husband my wife's gonna have,

"and I'm the only father my kids are gonna have."

100%.

And there's gonna be a day,

as much as I love being a pastor of a Getty Church,

there's gonna be somebody else that takes my spot someday.

And there's gonna be a day where this church is going

and people are gonna say my name and they're gonna be like,

who? I've never heard of him, and you know, I'm gonna be yesterday's news,

and that is 100% fine for me, but I want to make sure that I'm

making a difference in the place that I most need to, which is the one place that

only I can make a difference in that specific way--father, husband. And I love

that that's your heart, I love you got that clarity of perspective right now,

and I think, you know, back to the something you've already spoken on with

the one who can be trusted with little can be trusted with much, man. God sees

that like that heart for, "Hey, I'm here for my wife and my kids." And bless God, future kids,

I'm guessing is part of the plan here. And then everything you get to do creatively is just icing

on the cake of faithfulness. - This is all just the extra. This is all the overflow. - Yeah,

right on. How do people find you? Obviously, you're on every streaming platform. - Every

streaming platform, just Brenno, that's my first name. B-R-E-N-N-O, that's two N's, Brenno.

That's important.

Follow me on social media.

It's Brenno.music and you can find my website at BrennoMusic.live.

And everything is up to date weekly.

And we're going to keep pushing the gospel through Christian hip hop unapologetically.

And this is just the beginning.

Let's give this world Jesus through music, through preaching, through our lives.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Thanks for being on the show.

Absolutely.

It's an honor.