WEBVTT 00:00:06.589 --> 00:00:07.190 I'm the king. 00:00:07.309 --> 00:00:08.271 I'm the king. 00:00:08.391 --> 00:00:09.752 I'm the king. 00:00:34.637 --> 00:00:37.399 Welcome to episode four sixty five of the 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.040 permaculture pimp cast where pimp stands 00:00:40.081 --> 00:00:42.042 for permaculture is my passion. 00:00:42.563 --> 00:00:44.744 The only pimp cast on this earth that 00:00:44.784 --> 00:00:47.286 discusses permaculture prepared in this 00:00:47.366 --> 00:00:49.348 practical living and sometimes even 00:00:49.408 --> 00:00:50.130 prostitutes. 00:00:50.149 --> 00:00:50.369 Yeah. 00:00:56.774 --> 00:00:58.817 Oh yeah, good to be here with y'all. 00:00:58.856 --> 00:01:00.497 Man, I'm really excited for this one. 00:01:01.198 --> 00:01:01.618 Oh man, 00:01:01.658 --> 00:01:02.679 it's always a good day when you can 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:04.281 get Jack Spierko on the program. 00:01:04.501 --> 00:01:06.322 And we're going to come to him in 00:01:06.382 --> 00:01:06.983 just a minute. 00:01:07.403 --> 00:01:07.644 But hey, 00:01:07.683 --> 00:01:09.165 before we get hopping and popping here, 00:01:09.206 --> 00:01:11.587 y'all, tell everybody we're live. 00:01:11.628 --> 00:01:12.468 Hit that thumbs up. 00:01:13.188 --> 00:01:15.090 And, you know, holler if you hear me. 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:15.631 So, you know, 00:01:15.671 --> 00:01:17.632 the powers that shouldn't be can go ahead 00:01:17.652 --> 00:01:19.313 and start suppressing us like they always 00:01:19.352 --> 00:01:21.233 do because they don't want this awesome 00:01:21.274 --> 00:01:22.896 information getting out to folks like you. 00:01:23.376 --> 00:01:23.575 All right. 00:01:23.596 --> 00:01:24.557 Before we kick it in, 00:01:24.617 --> 00:01:25.897 I want to I want to handle all 00:01:25.918 --> 00:01:26.957 the housekeeping up front. 00:01:27.718 --> 00:01:28.840 Sovereign Health Summit, y'all, 00:01:28.859 --> 00:01:30.820 that's going to be October twenty seven 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:31.841 through the thirty first. 00:01:32.481 --> 00:01:33.903 That's going to be out there in Harmony, 00:01:33.962 --> 00:01:34.563 North Carolina. 00:01:34.582 --> 00:01:36.504 We got Barbara O'Neill coming in and we 00:01:36.525 --> 00:01:38.186 got a bunch of other awesome backup 00:01:38.225 --> 00:01:38.605 dancers. 00:01:43.349 --> 00:01:45.131 Tango Papa Charlie will get you five 00:01:45.150 --> 00:01:45.731 percent off. 00:01:46.332 --> 00:01:47.653 Also, everybody's always asking, 00:01:47.713 --> 00:01:49.094 why do I wear these glasses? 00:01:49.656 --> 00:01:49.975 Hey, y'all, 00:01:50.016 --> 00:01:52.319 I was just down in El Salvador and 00:01:52.358 --> 00:01:53.760 I was hanging out with the great Dr. 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:54.581 Jack Cruz. 00:01:55.262 --> 00:01:55.662 In fact, 00:01:55.701 --> 00:01:57.084 I spent a whole lot of time with 00:01:57.103 --> 00:01:57.224 him. 00:01:57.905 --> 00:01:59.225 The kind of time that people would kill 00:01:59.245 --> 00:02:00.087 to have with this guy. 00:02:00.587 --> 00:02:00.968 Anyway, 00:02:01.308 --> 00:02:02.769 he's the one who made the world famous. 00:02:03.587 --> 00:02:05.989 aware of what this blue light toxicity can 00:02:06.049 --> 00:02:07.611 do to you, especially at night. 00:02:07.631 --> 00:02:08.072 But anyway, 00:02:08.231 --> 00:02:10.014 I got these amber ones and I got 00:02:10.033 --> 00:02:11.094 the red ones right here. 00:02:11.534 --> 00:02:12.536 Depending on time of day, 00:02:12.556 --> 00:02:15.800 if you want some, Bond Charge, B-O-N, 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.462 Charge will get you fifteen percent off. 00:02:19.043 --> 00:02:20.585 And then finally, EMP Shield. 00:02:21.085 --> 00:02:21.526 Look, y'all, 00:02:22.205 --> 00:02:23.407 It ain't the EMP you got to worry 00:02:23.426 --> 00:02:23.646 about. 00:02:23.706 --> 00:02:25.228 Your biggest threat out there is going to 00:02:25.247 --> 00:02:27.068 be lightning, a lightning strike. 00:02:27.088 --> 00:02:29.009 And this thing is basically a transient 00:02:29.030 --> 00:02:30.349 voltage surge suppressor. 00:02:30.870 --> 00:02:32.251 As a journeyman electrician for almost 00:02:32.290 --> 00:02:32.971 thirty years, y'all, 00:02:33.091 --> 00:02:34.352 I can tell you without a doubt, 00:02:35.032 --> 00:02:36.372 lightning is what you got to worry about. 00:02:36.413 --> 00:02:37.753 But here's what makes them special. 00:02:38.153 --> 00:02:39.574 This is why I reached out to them. 00:02:40.094 --> 00:02:42.175 If anything downstream in your house gets 00:02:42.195 --> 00:02:43.036 Kentucky fried, 00:02:43.455 --> 00:02:45.396 they're going to cover you for twenty five 00:02:45.477 --> 00:02:45.937 G's. 00:02:46.638 --> 00:02:48.399 Find me another transient voltage surge 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:49.800 suppressor on a market that will match 00:02:49.819 --> 00:02:50.020 that. 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:50.381 Anyway, 00:02:50.760 --> 00:02:53.543 fifty bucks off with promo code perma. 00:02:53.622 --> 00:02:53.923 OK, 00:02:54.484 --> 00:02:55.824 that's going to handle on the housekeeping 00:02:55.883 --> 00:02:56.264 up front. 00:02:56.344 --> 00:02:58.847 And I'm not going to fool around because 00:02:59.007 --> 00:03:00.467 I got my man Jack Spierko. 00:03:00.508 --> 00:03:02.248 Before I go to him, though, folks, 00:03:02.269 --> 00:03:03.389 I say this every time he comes on 00:03:03.409 --> 00:03:04.670 the program because it's true. 00:03:04.711 --> 00:03:06.231 He's probably going to get bashful when I 00:03:06.292 --> 00:03:08.513 say it, because just believe it or not, 00:03:08.552 --> 00:03:09.933 he's extremely humble. 00:03:10.634 --> 00:03:12.756 But Jack is always the smartest guy in 00:03:12.776 --> 00:03:13.137 the room. 00:03:13.956 --> 00:03:15.157 and he never feels the need to ever 00:03:15.198 --> 00:03:17.338 tell anybody i say this every single time 00:03:18.158 --> 00:03:20.161 and you just feel smarter being in the 00:03:20.200 --> 00:03:22.282 same space with him whether virtually or 00:03:22.322 --> 00:03:24.203 whether checking out his podcast survival 00:03:24.842 --> 00:03:27.123 survival podcast which by the way if i'm 00:03:27.163 --> 00:03:29.246 not mistaken i think i was introduced to 00:03:29.306 --> 00:03:29.366 it 00:03:30.066 --> 00:03:31.426 all the way back in oh eight and 00:03:31.486 --> 00:03:33.527 jack was the one that introduced me to 00:03:33.568 --> 00:03:36.849 permaculture so um he's been at this gig 00:03:36.969 --> 00:03:38.591 a long long time and folks i say 00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:40.551 it all the time on this show he 00:03:40.592 --> 00:03:42.712 is without a doubt the best podcaster in 00:03:42.733 --> 00:03:45.153 the business one of the best educators out 00:03:45.193 --> 00:03:47.496 there and i'm telling you everybody is 00:03:47.515 --> 00:03:49.437 going to be the beneficiary of his wisdom 00:03:49.477 --> 00:03:52.518 today so if i could actually unclick that 00:03:52.557 --> 00:03:54.460 mute button okay there we are jack how 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:56.401 you doing my man hey man thanks for 00:03:56.420 --> 00:03:58.222 the great introduction i'll try to live up 00:03:58.241 --> 00:03:58.882 to half of it 00:04:00.209 --> 00:04:01.592 Bro, you can do it with, what, 00:04:01.651 --> 00:04:04.295 half your brain tied behind your back. 00:04:04.316 --> 00:04:05.538 It has been a while, though. 00:04:05.598 --> 00:04:07.100 I mean, like you said, O.A., 00:04:07.281 --> 00:04:08.644 it's eighteen years. 00:04:08.764 --> 00:04:10.567 We just celebrated eighteen years of the 00:04:10.586 --> 00:04:11.688 show in June. 00:04:13.431 --> 00:04:14.712 You deserve every year of it, man. 00:04:14.752 --> 00:04:16.012 And I hope you keep on doing it 00:04:16.033 --> 00:04:18.113 because it's, I mean, 00:04:18.874 --> 00:04:20.713 you are a dynamo in that area. 00:04:20.894 --> 00:04:22.654 And a lot of us are so blessed 00:04:23.334 --> 00:04:24.696 to have you out there. 00:04:24.935 --> 00:04:26.255 Before we get hopping and popping, 00:04:26.336 --> 00:04:27.536 I didn't tell you when we were talking 00:04:27.576 --> 00:04:28.137 prior to this, 00:04:28.156 --> 00:04:29.057 I wanted to tell you here. 00:04:29.817 --> 00:04:31.098 I was down in El Salvador. 00:04:31.737 --> 00:04:34.338 I got invited to a party near Bitcoin 00:04:34.358 --> 00:04:34.678 Beach. 00:04:35.098 --> 00:04:35.238 Okay. 00:04:36.019 --> 00:04:37.800 And there were a bunch of Australian 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:38.720 expats there. 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:41.041 And a couple of them asked me, Hey, 00:04:41.161 --> 00:04:42.122 you ever heard of you're from, 00:04:42.281 --> 00:04:43.343 you're from the States, mate. 00:04:43.562 --> 00:04:44.882 And I said, yeah, you know, 00:04:44.903 --> 00:04:45.944 I have a guy named Jack Spear. 00:04:45.963 --> 00:04:47.845 And I just said, yeah, I know him. 00:04:48.704 --> 00:04:49.425 I said, 00:04:49.485 --> 00:04:50.786 he's been on my show a couple of 00:04:50.805 --> 00:04:51.105 times. 00:04:51.867 --> 00:04:53.867 And, uh, so anyway, they, yeah, 00:04:53.908 --> 00:04:55.968 you got fans down in El Salvador that 00:04:55.988 --> 00:04:57.369 are expats from Australia. 00:04:57.389 --> 00:04:57.990 How about that? 00:04:58.769 --> 00:04:58.970 It's, 00:04:59.110 --> 00:05:01.211 it's crazy when you hear that and think 00:05:01.250 --> 00:05:01.750 of, you know, 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:03.651 how I started with a recorder in my 00:05:03.692 --> 00:05:03.891 car. 00:05:03.951 --> 00:05:04.072 Um, 00:05:06.017 --> 00:05:07.119 I don't know if you know who Vin 00:05:07.178 --> 00:05:09.540 Armani is, but he lives in Saipan now. 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:12.360 And he was telling me recently that he 00:05:12.401 --> 00:05:14.281 was talking to some girl on like the 00:05:14.362 --> 00:05:16.062 other island that's part of the North 00:05:16.083 --> 00:05:16.723 Mariana's. 00:05:17.223 --> 00:05:18.845 And she was like, you know, Jack Spierko. 00:05:18.904 --> 00:05:22.346 And I'm like, how? 00:05:22.906 --> 00:05:23.846 And I guess, you know what? 00:05:24.146 --> 00:05:26.569 That's a moment to sit back and kind 00:05:26.608 --> 00:05:28.209 of thank Adam Curry. 00:05:28.750 --> 00:05:29.850 Honestly, if you think about it, 00:05:29.870 --> 00:05:31.130 like you and I, what we do. 00:05:32.081 --> 00:05:34.464 without Adam's work all the way back in 00:05:34.485 --> 00:05:36.247 the early two thousands probably wouldn't 00:05:36.286 --> 00:05:37.348 be what it is today. 00:05:37.408 --> 00:05:39.670 Like Adam Curry is the guy that created 00:05:39.690 --> 00:05:41.372 podcasting in the form that we have today. 00:05:41.492 --> 00:05:41.973 It's, it's, 00:05:42.033 --> 00:05:43.514 it's pretty crazy that you can reach the 00:05:43.535 --> 00:05:44.937 whole world, you know, 00:05:44.956 --> 00:05:45.877 from what we're doing now. 00:05:47.221 --> 00:05:48.642 Yeah, that's really something. 00:05:48.682 --> 00:05:49.142 But man, 00:05:49.182 --> 00:05:51.045 it just blows my mind where there was 00:05:51.105 --> 00:05:52.586 only two people they brought up when I 00:05:52.605 --> 00:05:53.165 was down there. 00:05:53.346 --> 00:05:56.528 One was you and the other guy. 00:05:56.567 --> 00:05:57.249 Well, actually three. 00:05:57.269 --> 00:05:59.230 They brought up Dr. Jack Cruz, 00:05:59.250 --> 00:05:59.889 who's down there. 00:06:00.050 --> 00:06:01.471 And then they also brought up Sam Tripoli. 00:06:01.490 --> 00:06:03.452 And yeah, 00:06:03.492 --> 00:06:05.014 so you three guys were the only ones. 00:06:05.213 --> 00:06:07.574 I was like, yeah, man. 00:06:07.634 --> 00:06:09.315 I mean, they were like, you know, 00:06:09.396 --> 00:06:10.156 pretty jazzed up. 00:06:10.197 --> 00:06:11.036 I was like, yeah, dude, 00:06:11.096 --> 00:06:11.838 he's a buddy of mine. 00:06:12.177 --> 00:06:13.658 And they didn't believe me, man. 00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:14.819 I had to break out my phone. 00:06:15.728 --> 00:06:17.689 I showed them your number in my phone. 00:06:18.250 --> 00:06:18.850 That was crazy. 00:06:18.911 --> 00:06:20.072 I was like, dude, I got, yeah, 00:06:20.132 --> 00:06:20.651 here's him. 00:06:20.732 --> 00:06:21.692 Here's Sam Tripoli. 00:06:22.392 --> 00:06:24.173 I don't have Jack, uh, Cruz, 00:06:24.194 --> 00:06:26.855 but I got his wife here and it 00:06:26.896 --> 00:06:27.576 was, it kind of, 00:06:27.615 --> 00:06:29.156 so you were an icebreaker for me down 00:06:29.177 --> 00:06:30.237 there in El Salvador. 00:06:30.858 --> 00:06:35.841 I think it's just a blessing. 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:37.242 The whole thing is, I mean, 00:06:37.701 --> 00:06:39.262 over the years, it's, it's, 00:06:39.283 --> 00:06:40.783 it's pretty amazing, honestly. 00:06:41.535 --> 00:06:42.939 Before we get down to it, Jack, 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.485 you sent me some pictures the other day 00:06:44.524 --> 00:06:45.648 of your garden down there. 00:06:45.668 --> 00:06:46.189 I just wanted to 00:06:46.916 --> 00:06:48.877 I wanted to give everybody a heads up. 00:06:48.937 --> 00:06:50.358 I didn't know if that video was available 00:06:50.379 --> 00:06:52.019 for everybody on YouTube or whether that 00:06:52.059 --> 00:06:52.939 was surprising. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.761 But, man, folks, if you haven't seen it, 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.302 you need to go to his YouTube channel 00:06:57.401 --> 00:06:59.142 and check this thing out, man. 00:06:59.182 --> 00:07:01.524 You got trombocinos the size of my arm. 00:07:01.543 --> 00:07:03.384 I mean, 00:07:03.444 --> 00:07:04.685 what are you doing down there before? 00:07:04.725 --> 00:07:06.786 Because this is largely a permaculture 00:07:06.805 --> 00:07:07.365 podcast. 00:07:07.386 --> 00:07:09.406 What is the special thing that you've done 00:07:09.466 --> 00:07:10.927 out there that really makes this thing 00:07:10.968 --> 00:07:11.168 hum? 00:07:11.851 --> 00:07:13.333 So I have to say that it was 00:07:13.372 --> 00:07:14.374 like this year, you know, 00:07:14.394 --> 00:07:16.033 I've been on this property for thirteen 00:07:16.053 --> 00:07:16.375 years. 00:07:17.035 --> 00:07:18.995 The garden you're talking about has been 00:07:19.036 --> 00:07:22.398 in place for about six. 00:07:22.617 --> 00:07:24.399 And, you know, when I started out, 00:07:24.619 --> 00:07:26.199 it was right before I started doing the 00:07:26.220 --> 00:07:27.521 bioreactor compost. 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.841 So it's had about five years of that 00:07:30.283 --> 00:07:32.504 and it's had about three years of biochar 00:07:32.524 --> 00:07:34.305 being added to it and cover cropping. 00:07:35.122 --> 00:07:37.564 And those three things seem to just kind 00:07:37.605 --> 00:07:38.845 of kick over this year. 00:07:39.125 --> 00:07:41.307 Like the soil that was in there was 00:07:41.387 --> 00:07:44.528 pretty dead when it was initially put into 00:07:44.548 --> 00:07:44.990 those beds. 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:46.269 It's what I could get my hands on. 00:07:46.389 --> 00:07:48.351 I don't have soil here. 00:07:48.411 --> 00:07:50.572 I have rock and I have about four 00:07:50.673 --> 00:07:52.654 inches of really bad dirt on top of 00:07:52.675 --> 00:07:53.095 that rock. 00:07:53.134 --> 00:07:54.175 And that's all I've got. 00:07:54.235 --> 00:07:55.576 And when you say that, 00:07:55.615 --> 00:07:57.197 people think of like digging a hole and 00:07:57.218 --> 00:07:58.117 you're pulling rocks out. 00:07:58.317 --> 00:07:58.999 I don't mean that. 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.500 I mean like concrete slab limestone rock 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:03.862 is what's under my property. 00:08:04.471 --> 00:08:05.451 And so I just had to use the 00:08:05.492 --> 00:08:07.273 field earth that I could get and start 00:08:07.293 --> 00:08:07.913 improving it. 00:08:08.434 --> 00:08:09.634 And it's done really well. 00:08:09.694 --> 00:08:12.358 And like my bricks readings on SAP last 00:08:12.418 --> 00:08:14.298 year were like eleven, twelve, 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.060 which is really, really good. 00:08:16.201 --> 00:08:16.841 Yeah. 00:08:16.862 --> 00:08:18.463 But some of my bricks readings this year 00:08:18.483 --> 00:08:19.584 have been like fourteen. 00:08:20.281 --> 00:08:20.641 Wow. 00:08:20.762 --> 00:08:22.023 Which there's a lot of people out there 00:08:22.043 --> 00:08:22.983 going, I don't get it. 00:08:23.124 --> 00:08:24.324 You get what I'm saying. 00:08:24.384 --> 00:08:26.245 Like when you get into that level of 00:08:26.305 --> 00:08:28.627 bricks on the sap of a plant, 00:08:29.226 --> 00:08:31.309 you're getting into that level of like, 00:08:31.869 --> 00:08:32.288 you know, you, 00:08:32.609 --> 00:08:34.451 your plants survive two to three degrees 00:08:34.471 --> 00:08:35.870 below freezing when they're not supposed 00:08:35.890 --> 00:08:35.932 to, 00:08:35.951 --> 00:08:37.633 because basically you have any freeze in 00:08:37.653 --> 00:08:39.413 the sack with a little extra sugar and 00:08:40.453 --> 00:08:42.576 your pest problems go to almost nothing. 00:08:42.796 --> 00:08:43.056 Like, 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:45.681 The one thing I was happy to see 00:08:45.760 --> 00:08:47.682 is that the black swallowtail still ate my 00:08:47.743 --> 00:08:48.003 fennel. 00:08:48.623 --> 00:08:49.663 Cause I was going to be bummed if 00:08:49.724 --> 00:08:50.464 that went away. 00:08:50.504 --> 00:08:52.505 Like that was the one negative possibly of 00:08:52.525 --> 00:08:52.846 that. 00:08:53.145 --> 00:08:54.326 And, uh, but otherwise like, 00:08:54.346 --> 00:08:55.307 it's just been a crazy year. 00:08:55.326 --> 00:08:56.488 Like you said, I got trouble. 00:08:56.508 --> 00:08:57.349 She knows as big as your arm. 00:08:57.408 --> 00:08:57.808 I got trouble. 00:08:57.828 --> 00:08:59.029 She knows how to move my leg. 00:08:59.509 --> 00:08:59.830 Wow. 00:09:00.009 --> 00:09:01.150 Like I've, I've never, 00:09:01.410 --> 00:09:02.251 I've got one out there. 00:09:02.351 --> 00:09:03.373 I meant to cut it and bring it 00:09:03.452 --> 00:09:03.832 in here, 00:09:04.092 --> 00:09:05.114 even though we're really not supposed to, 00:09:05.134 --> 00:09:06.815 that's not what we're scheduled to talk 00:09:06.835 --> 00:09:07.315 about today. 00:09:07.674 --> 00:09:08.796 But I've got one that honestly got, 00:09:08.816 --> 00:09:09.475 if it was on the floor, 00:09:09.495 --> 00:09:10.636 it'd be about that tall right now. 00:09:11.278 --> 00:09:13.379 And the neck is like that. 00:09:14.758 --> 00:09:17.539 Like I've just never seen anything quite 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:18.961 like what happened this year. 00:09:18.980 --> 00:09:20.543 I've got tomatoes out of my, you know, 00:09:20.982 --> 00:09:22.004 and I've also, I grow those, 00:09:22.104 --> 00:09:24.306 I can't remember the actual name of the 00:09:24.326 --> 00:09:24.546 plant. 00:09:24.806 --> 00:09:26.707 They market them as Indian snake bean. 00:09:27.227 --> 00:09:28.188 If you know the plant I'm talking about, 00:09:28.249 --> 00:09:29.889 Baker kind of made it famous. 00:09:30.691 --> 00:09:31.991 I've grown those every year for like the 00:09:32.011 --> 00:09:32.773 past five years, 00:09:32.812 --> 00:09:34.173 but I only get them in like September. 00:09:35.609 --> 00:09:37.510 And it's because they're pollinated by 00:09:37.650 --> 00:09:40.553 moths that I think are nocturnal because 00:09:40.573 --> 00:09:41.855 they're really tiny flower. 00:09:41.894 --> 00:09:42.976 Bees can't get into them. 00:09:43.576 --> 00:09:44.538 I don't know if it's just our cooler 00:09:44.577 --> 00:09:45.438 weather this year or what, 00:09:45.458 --> 00:09:47.000 but I've got tons of them in the 00:09:47.041 --> 00:09:47.740 spring this year. 00:09:47.780 --> 00:09:49.883 So it's just been a great year for 00:09:49.903 --> 00:09:50.303 the garden. 00:09:51.331 --> 00:09:52.851 Man, that's what I'm talking about, folks. 00:09:52.912 --> 00:09:53.873 Like I said, go over there, 00:09:53.913 --> 00:09:55.033 check it out. 00:09:55.413 --> 00:09:57.735 This thing will absolutely blow your mind. 00:09:58.176 --> 00:09:58.936 And like Jack said, 00:09:58.956 --> 00:10:00.096 when you've got a bricks reading that 00:10:00.116 --> 00:10:00.778 high, I mean, 00:10:00.798 --> 00:10:02.379 you've got a bulletproof garden. 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:03.038 You really do. 00:10:03.499 --> 00:10:04.659 I mean, I know it's true. 00:10:04.740 --> 00:10:05.980 Alan Booker said that, like, 00:10:06.081 --> 00:10:06.922 once you're there, like, 00:10:07.022 --> 00:10:08.383 insects will just fly over your garden. 00:10:08.702 --> 00:10:09.283 Yep. 00:10:09.322 --> 00:10:10.004 Let's look down. 00:10:10.043 --> 00:10:10.864 Nope, that's not for me. 00:10:10.884 --> 00:10:13.005 It's human food, not insect food. 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:14.900 Yeah, but it didn't happen overnight. 00:10:14.941 --> 00:10:15.740 Like you said, I mean, 00:10:16.001 --> 00:10:17.241 it's been a work in progress. 00:10:17.261 --> 00:10:18.003 You stay at it. 00:10:18.602 --> 00:10:18.822 You know, 00:10:18.883 --> 00:10:20.705 so many people reach out to me and 00:10:20.804 --> 00:10:22.566 a number of others saying, well, you know, 00:10:22.586 --> 00:10:24.246 they have two bad years of gardening and 00:10:24.267 --> 00:10:25.508 then they just throw in the towel. 00:10:26.048 --> 00:10:26.908 That's not what you can do. 00:10:26.989 --> 00:10:28.610 I mean, you know, you're like you said, 00:10:28.669 --> 00:10:30.951 you're I haven't been to your property, 00:10:30.971 --> 00:10:32.292 but I know other people that have. 00:10:32.592 --> 00:10:34.474 And I remember Nicholas Bertner saying, 00:10:34.673 --> 00:10:35.794 you know, a while back, man, 00:10:35.815 --> 00:10:37.096 he's all on rock over there. 00:10:37.135 --> 00:10:38.035 I don't know how he's going to grow 00:10:38.076 --> 00:10:38.437 anything. 00:10:39.116 --> 00:10:39.736 Yeah. 00:10:39.856 --> 00:10:40.217 Yeah. 00:10:40.317 --> 00:10:41.658 He went wrong. 00:10:41.698 --> 00:10:41.879 Yeah. 00:10:41.918 --> 00:10:42.678 Well, that's awesome. 00:10:42.698 --> 00:10:43.419 Just takes time. 00:10:44.428 --> 00:10:44.749 Yep. 00:10:44.788 --> 00:10:46.650 So we're going to hit. 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:47.131 Hey, folks, 00:10:47.511 --> 00:10:48.932 if you remember the last time Jack was 00:10:48.952 --> 00:10:49.374 on the show, 00:10:49.394 --> 00:10:50.554 we were I can't remember if it was 00:10:50.575 --> 00:10:51.855 the last time or the time before. 00:10:52.375 --> 00:10:53.738 He just written a book called The Laws 00:10:53.778 --> 00:10:55.479 of Life, had it on here, 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:56.399 got through it. 00:10:56.580 --> 00:10:57.640 And I'm telling you what, folks, 00:10:58.942 --> 00:10:59.802 it's a quick read, 00:10:59.822 --> 00:11:01.725 but not in a way you think in 00:11:01.764 --> 00:11:02.466 his first version. 00:11:02.525 --> 00:11:04.486 It's a quick read because, number one, 00:11:05.347 --> 00:11:05.567 it's. 00:11:06.571 --> 00:11:07.530 When you're going through it, 00:11:07.851 --> 00:11:09.672 if you read with the tri-focus method as 00:11:09.772 --> 00:11:11.113 I do, you read faster anyway. 00:11:11.173 --> 00:11:12.173 But honestly, 00:11:12.192 --> 00:11:14.354 you can just devour that book because it's 00:11:14.474 --> 00:11:15.875 information that just sings to you. 00:11:16.315 --> 00:11:16.414 Now, 00:11:16.455 --> 00:11:17.796 I don't have a copy of your second 00:11:17.855 --> 00:11:17.936 one, 00:11:17.956 --> 00:11:19.416 but I do know what's in the chapters. 00:11:20.017 --> 00:11:20.996 But first off, I mean, 00:11:21.297 --> 00:11:22.758 what inspired you to write the second, 00:11:23.398 --> 00:11:23.658 you know, 00:11:23.697 --> 00:11:26.178 Laws of Life Part Two instead of expanding 00:11:26.219 --> 00:11:26.679 the first? 00:11:26.740 --> 00:11:29.581 Or is this an extension of the first? 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:30.821 They're kind of a series now, 00:11:30.841 --> 00:11:31.861 if you want to think of it that 00:11:31.902 --> 00:11:32.042 way. 00:11:32.142 --> 00:11:33.562 So that made it pretty easy to do. 00:11:33.581 --> 00:11:34.623 So we got one and two. 00:11:35.552 --> 00:11:38.155 um the fact that the first book hit 00:11:39.037 --> 00:11:40.658 bestseller list on amazon in three 00:11:40.697 --> 00:11:43.480 categories that that that kind of made it 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:45.643 where i wanted to make another book but 00:11:45.682 --> 00:11:47.544 i wasn't done yet when i originally came 00:11:47.605 --> 00:11:49.046 up with the idea for the first book 00:11:49.586 --> 00:11:53.190 it was actually thirty laws and when i 00:11:53.230 --> 00:11:54.591 started putting together the outline and 00:11:54.631 --> 00:11:56.774 thinking about writing it i'm like oh it's 00:11:56.813 --> 00:11:57.855 gonna be an encyclopedia 00:11:58.731 --> 00:12:00.172 Like nobody's going to want to read that 00:12:00.231 --> 00:12:01.552 much in a single book. 00:12:01.592 --> 00:12:05.352 So I initially went fifteen and fifteen 00:12:05.373 --> 00:12:06.553 and then there was one law I really 00:12:06.594 --> 00:12:07.293 wanted to get in there. 00:12:07.313 --> 00:12:08.953 So I became sixteen and then my OCD 00:12:08.994 --> 00:12:09.394 kicked in. 00:12:09.453 --> 00:12:10.094 And OK, 00:12:10.274 --> 00:12:12.674 so we'll add two to the second book. 00:12:13.154 --> 00:12:14.075 And so it was just kind of a 00:12:14.134 --> 00:12:16.215 logical progression in the series. 00:12:16.254 --> 00:12:17.696 And there's other things planned after 00:12:17.716 --> 00:12:18.296 this, though. 00:12:19.395 --> 00:12:21.755 Laws of Life might have a series, 00:12:21.796 --> 00:12:24.317 but the next book won't be called that. 00:12:25.373 --> 00:12:26.673 I just felt like I had more to 00:12:26.754 --> 00:12:30.177 say about things to help people build a 00:12:30.197 --> 00:12:30.716 better life. 00:12:30.797 --> 00:12:30.996 I mean, 00:12:31.037 --> 00:12:32.398 that's what my whole show has been built 00:12:32.558 --> 00:12:33.919 on all these years. 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:34.200 You know, 00:12:34.220 --> 00:12:35.860 we do a lot with permaculture and 00:12:35.900 --> 00:12:37.461 homesteading and regenerative ag, 00:12:37.481 --> 00:12:39.624 but that's just a piece of what we 00:12:39.663 --> 00:12:39.844 do. 00:12:39.864 --> 00:12:41.826 We teach entrepreneurship. 00:12:41.865 --> 00:12:43.427 We teach money management. 00:12:43.466 --> 00:12:44.927 We teach lifestyle design. 00:12:45.850 --> 00:12:46.871 And, you know, 00:12:46.912 --> 00:12:49.493 I've been asked over the years by 00:12:50.073 --> 00:12:52.174 mainstream publishers, I mean, big time, 00:12:52.195 --> 00:12:53.936 like New York City publishers to write 00:12:53.995 --> 00:12:54.355 books. 00:12:54.416 --> 00:12:56.177 And I've always turned them down, one, 00:12:56.197 --> 00:12:57.937 because their terms always seem very 00:12:57.977 --> 00:12:58.457 predatory, 00:12:58.498 --> 00:13:01.379 but they also wanted to very much typecast 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:01.820 what I did. 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.461 They wanted a book on survivalism. 00:13:04.522 --> 00:13:05.702 And once we started talking about it, 00:13:05.722 --> 00:13:06.523 it became very clear, 00:13:06.582 --> 00:13:07.964 not my version of it, 00:13:08.043 --> 00:13:09.345 their version of it, you know, 00:13:09.625 --> 00:13:11.525 the city's burning and whatnot. 00:13:11.566 --> 00:13:12.787 I'm like, that's not what I teach. 00:13:13.106 --> 00:13:13.826 You write the book. 00:13:13.886 --> 00:13:14.868 Like, no, I don't know. 00:13:15.648 --> 00:13:16.808 That's not what I do. 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:19.192 And so when I decided to write a 00:13:19.231 --> 00:13:19.392 book, 00:13:19.432 --> 00:13:21.413 I've been asked by my audience for years 00:13:21.432 --> 00:13:22.695 and years to write books as well. 00:13:23.995 --> 00:13:25.756 Everybody kind of expected it would either 00:13:25.797 --> 00:13:29.279 be a book on like survivalism or urban 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.642 survivalism or something like that, 00:13:30.782 --> 00:13:32.202 or like permaculture space. 00:13:33.186 --> 00:13:34.946 But I've been able to build everything 00:13:34.966 --> 00:13:36.626 that I've built based on the things in 00:13:36.667 --> 00:13:37.626 these two books. 00:13:38.626 --> 00:13:40.408 And I had a very successful career in 00:13:40.427 --> 00:13:41.908 business before I walked away at the age 00:13:41.927 --> 00:13:42.668 of thirty six. 00:13:43.328 --> 00:13:45.708 And so I had hit the absolute top 00:13:45.889 --> 00:13:49.669 of the corporate hierarchy by the time I 00:13:49.690 --> 00:13:50.471 was thirty six years old. 00:13:50.530 --> 00:13:51.490 I was in the C-suite. 00:13:51.510 --> 00:13:54.491 I was a COO of a company and 00:13:54.991 --> 00:13:58.013 a president and board member of a holding 00:13:58.052 --> 00:14:00.312 company that that company was in at the 00:14:00.373 --> 00:14:00.874 same time. 00:14:00.913 --> 00:14:01.894 And I just didn't want to do it 00:14:01.933 --> 00:14:02.094 anymore. 00:14:03.061 --> 00:14:04.643 And that's when I launched Survival 00:14:04.682 --> 00:14:05.342 Podcast. 00:14:05.403 --> 00:14:07.745 And that's when I changed my life and 00:14:07.765 --> 00:14:08.547 went in this direction. 00:14:08.986 --> 00:14:11.089 But it wasn't like that life didn't teach 00:14:11.129 --> 00:14:11.850 me anything. 00:14:12.798 --> 00:14:15.461 And I look around and the hardest 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:17.582 questions I ask that come into me today 00:14:17.623 --> 00:14:19.043 are not like, what do I plant? 00:14:19.724 --> 00:14:20.865 Or what do I store? 00:14:21.485 --> 00:14:23.826 Or what insulation do I use in my 00:14:23.907 --> 00:14:24.707 off-grid cabin? 00:14:25.128 --> 00:14:26.909 My hardest questions are things like, 00:14:27.350 --> 00:14:28.951 how do I buy my first house? 00:14:29.652 --> 00:14:31.092 I'm twenty-eight years old and I'm working 00:14:31.133 --> 00:14:33.073 my face into the ground and I can't 00:14:33.114 --> 00:14:34.315 figure it out. 00:14:34.696 --> 00:14:35.836 How am I ever going to be able 00:14:35.855 --> 00:14:36.417 to retire? 00:14:37.256 --> 00:14:38.357 How do I build my life to a 00:14:38.378 --> 00:14:40.039 point where I'm comfortable having kids? 00:14:40.931 --> 00:14:42.951 know when people start those are hard 00:14:42.991 --> 00:14:45.873 questions to answer right you don't google 00:14:45.913 --> 00:14:48.313 an answer to that right like it's it's 00:14:48.394 --> 00:14:52.495 not simple and to me every one of 00:14:52.535 --> 00:14:54.417 those questions has a different answer 00:14:54.476 --> 00:14:56.697 like depending on who asked it like five 00:14:56.738 --> 00:14:58.318 people could ask verbatim the same 00:14:58.359 --> 00:14:59.860 question and you you know my favorite 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:02.140 answer is always it depends so the things 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:04.062 that it depends on like you know what's 00:15:04.081 --> 00:15:06.423 your risk tolerance all those things fill 00:15:06.462 --> 00:15:06.903 into this 00:15:07.482 --> 00:15:09.424 So the whole premise of the laws of 00:15:09.544 --> 00:15:11.866 life books is these are not my laws. 00:15:11.986 --> 00:15:13.888 Like I kind of call them that at 00:15:13.908 --> 00:15:14.207 times, 00:15:14.248 --> 00:15:15.909 but it's more of like a plucky joke 00:15:16.029 --> 00:15:16.610 type thing. 00:15:16.629 --> 00:15:17.890 Like if you remember, 00:15:17.951 --> 00:15:19.491 remember the movie Tom Cruise was in 00:15:19.533 --> 00:15:21.173 cocktail from the eighties. 00:15:21.714 --> 00:15:22.394 Right. 00:15:22.475 --> 00:15:24.176 And the guy that was like his bartender 00:15:24.216 --> 00:15:25.116 mentor Coghlan, 00:15:25.136 --> 00:15:27.438 he would say like Coghlan's laws. 00:15:27.538 --> 00:15:28.639 It's kind of like that. 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.380 Like these are other people's laws. 00:15:30.780 --> 00:15:31.981 Some of them are very well known. 00:15:32.042 --> 00:15:33.683 Some of them I really kind of do. 00:15:34.323 --> 00:15:36.269 claim kind of their genesis but you know 00:15:36.308 --> 00:15:37.831 nine out of ten of them are out 00:15:37.851 --> 00:15:39.255 there in one form another from somebody 00:15:39.355 --> 00:15:41.100 else they're just things over the years 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.022 that i adopted 00:15:42.904 --> 00:15:44.586 And what I want more than anything else 00:15:44.605 --> 00:15:46.126 is for people to have success in their 00:15:46.187 --> 00:15:46.846 own life. 00:15:47.447 --> 00:15:48.326 And, you know, 00:15:48.386 --> 00:15:49.888 for people that are tuning in today, 00:15:49.908 --> 00:15:51.369 they're like they're twenty somethings and 00:15:51.408 --> 00:15:52.469 early thirty somethings. 00:15:52.849 --> 00:15:53.970 These are the ones who get the maddest 00:15:53.990 --> 00:15:54.269 at me. 00:15:54.850 --> 00:15:56.291 I want it for you more than you 00:15:56.331 --> 00:15:56.471 do. 00:15:56.490 --> 00:15:58.192 That's why you get pissed off at me. 00:15:58.292 --> 00:15:58.552 Right. 00:15:58.591 --> 00:16:00.592 Like the last interview I gave about this 00:16:00.653 --> 00:16:02.092 book was with Tom Woods. 00:16:02.594 --> 00:16:03.193 And, you know, 00:16:03.214 --> 00:16:04.653 I've had several people from his audience 00:16:04.693 --> 00:16:05.034 reach out. 00:16:05.054 --> 00:16:06.254 Like all I got from you was pull 00:16:06.294 --> 00:16:07.995 you pull yourself up by your bootstraps. 00:16:08.958 --> 00:16:09.639 And I'm like, well, 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:11.541 that's because that's what you're hearing. 00:16:11.581 --> 00:16:12.461 It's not what I'm saying. 00:16:13.662 --> 00:16:16.703 And my other question back to them has 00:16:16.764 --> 00:16:17.664 always been, well, 00:16:17.865 --> 00:16:19.046 but what do you want from me? 00:16:19.166 --> 00:16:20.226 What do you want from a guy like 00:16:20.246 --> 00:16:20.466 Billy? 00:16:20.486 --> 00:16:21.368 What do you want from, you know, 00:16:21.388 --> 00:16:21.827 I was on with Tom. 00:16:21.847 --> 00:16:22.889 So what do you want from Tom? 00:16:22.928 --> 00:16:23.528 Who do you tune into? 00:16:24.350 --> 00:16:25.811 Do you want us to just commiserate with 00:16:25.831 --> 00:16:26.892 you about how hard things are? 00:16:27.918 --> 00:16:30.158 Or do you want a pathway to solutions? 00:16:30.839 --> 00:16:32.779 And to me, that's what my books are. 00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:34.120 They're pathway to solutions. 00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:37.181 I'm actually developing right now two 00:16:37.260 --> 00:16:37.780 courses, 00:16:37.801 --> 00:16:40.221 two online courses and guidebooks for 00:16:40.282 --> 00:16:41.743 these two books before I move on to 00:16:41.783 --> 00:16:43.182 my next book in the series. 00:16:43.842 --> 00:16:45.323 And as I dig through those, 00:16:45.364 --> 00:16:48.004 the psychology and the neuroscience in 00:16:48.024 --> 00:16:48.404 this stuff, 00:16:48.465 --> 00:16:49.905 if you'll actually take that approach to 00:16:49.946 --> 00:16:50.706 it, it's huge. 00:16:51.306 --> 00:16:53.488 And I think that's the reason that people 00:16:53.508 --> 00:16:56.490 get upset when you say certain things that 00:16:56.510 --> 00:16:58.693 are in these books about how to handle 00:16:58.754 --> 00:17:00.254 life and situations in life. 00:17:00.956 --> 00:17:01.976 You're creating a mirror. 00:17:02.677 --> 00:17:04.598 And that mirror causes them to look at 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:05.820 what they already know. 00:17:05.861 --> 00:17:06.902 Because some of these laws, 00:17:06.922 --> 00:17:09.084 people are like, well, 00:17:09.144 --> 00:17:09.805 everybody knows that. 00:17:09.924 --> 00:17:11.165 Yeah, but you're not living that way. 00:17:12.540 --> 00:17:14.282 And a word that gets thrown around a 00:17:14.343 --> 00:17:15.404 lot or a phrase that gets thrown around 00:17:15.444 --> 00:17:17.146 a lot right now is cognitive dissonance, 00:17:17.186 --> 00:17:17.346 right? 00:17:17.386 --> 00:17:18.949 So everybody takes the one definition of 00:17:18.989 --> 00:17:19.971 cognitive dissonance, 00:17:20.330 --> 00:17:22.634 which is you have a belief and you 00:17:22.673 --> 00:17:23.955 state your belief and somebody gives you 00:17:23.996 --> 00:17:26.618 information counter to it and it's solid 00:17:26.659 --> 00:17:27.200 information. 00:17:27.220 --> 00:17:28.701 So it creates mental discomfort. 00:17:29.703 --> 00:17:31.204 But there's a second side of cognitive 00:17:31.224 --> 00:17:31.805 dissonance. 00:17:32.265 --> 00:17:34.105 And that's when you are living counter to 00:17:34.125 --> 00:17:35.605 your own beliefs and you know it, 00:17:35.625 --> 00:17:36.486 but you won't admit it. 00:17:36.605 --> 00:17:38.227 And it's underlying, it's underneath you. 00:17:38.807 --> 00:17:40.728 I think that causes a lot of pain 00:17:40.768 --> 00:17:43.449 and anxiety in younger people today. 00:17:44.509 --> 00:17:46.450 And I wrote these as much for that 00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:47.710 as for anything else. 00:17:49.335 --> 00:17:50.296 I think, Jack, 00:17:51.135 --> 00:17:52.196 I remember through the first book, 00:17:52.896 --> 00:17:54.657 I remember going through that and I was 00:17:54.698 --> 00:17:56.579 like, man, 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.280 and every single thing I was shaking my 00:17:58.340 --> 00:18:00.241 head thinking, okay, 00:18:00.321 --> 00:18:01.883 I can absolutely relate to that. 00:18:01.982 --> 00:18:03.544 But I do find it curious, 00:18:04.104 --> 00:18:05.605 I guess to a certain degree, I don't, 00:18:06.085 --> 00:18:07.066 that you're getting a little bit of 00:18:07.125 --> 00:18:07.645 pushback. 00:18:07.967 --> 00:18:09.468 You and I are roughly the same age. 00:18:10.307 --> 00:18:11.990 and you and i both remember the day 00:18:12.130 --> 00:18:14.813 before there was an internet you know i 00:18:14.853 --> 00:18:16.173 remember starting one of my first 00:18:16.214 --> 00:18:17.576 businesses out of the army i had to 00:18:17.695 --> 00:18:20.398 literally go door to door and hand out 00:18:20.479 --> 00:18:22.942 flyers you know trifolds that i had to 00:18:22.961 --> 00:18:26.184 have made to go you know advertise this 00:18:26.224 --> 00:18:28.227 little insulation business that i started 00:18:28.968 --> 00:18:30.769 my buddy and i we started this thing 00:18:30.828 --> 00:18:32.109 while going through the electrical 00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:34.590 apprenticeship at the same time and going 00:18:34.611 --> 00:18:37.152 to college all at the same time and 00:18:37.172 --> 00:18:39.512 we still made a successful business i 00:18:39.553 --> 00:18:42.194 don't think it's ever been easier i mean 00:18:42.234 --> 00:18:44.076 my wife and i just three days ago 00:18:44.115 --> 00:18:46.876 came up with two million dollar ideas than 00:18:46.916 --> 00:18:48.738 anybody could run with so i have a 00:18:48.778 --> 00:18:50.199 hard time with the people out there that 00:18:50.239 --> 00:18:51.759 are saying well i just can't do it 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:54.060 look y'all i'm in my mid-fifties so is 00:18:54.141 --> 00:18:56.221 jack and i'm still out here swinging for 00:18:56.241 --> 00:18:57.502 the fences so i don't want to hear 00:18:57.542 --> 00:18:57.603 it 00:18:58.103 --> 00:18:58.884 From all these people, 00:18:58.943 --> 00:19:00.105 especially young people. 00:19:00.444 --> 00:19:00.665 Jack, 00:19:00.685 --> 00:19:02.346 we had a couple of apprentices out here. 00:19:02.387 --> 00:19:03.628 Somebody asked me to bring them on. 00:19:04.630 --> 00:19:06.231 And one of them was twenty. 00:19:06.491 --> 00:19:08.114 The other was fresh out of high school. 00:19:08.693 --> 00:19:10.316 We're walking up the side of this mountain 00:19:10.336 --> 00:19:11.757 and I got a bucket in each hand 00:19:12.438 --> 00:19:13.019 of water. 00:19:13.951 --> 00:19:15.313 And you know how heavy that is. 00:19:15.792 --> 00:19:17.414 And I got these two clowns behind me. 00:19:17.555 --> 00:19:19.356 One of them shows in Velcro shoes and 00:19:19.376 --> 00:19:20.137 a fanny pack. 00:19:20.817 --> 00:19:24.102 And he's out here carrying some pig food 00:19:24.221 --> 00:19:24.982 up this mountain. 00:19:25.143 --> 00:19:26.544 And every other step, he's like, man, 00:19:26.564 --> 00:19:27.244 this is hard. 00:19:27.644 --> 00:19:28.365 This is hard. 00:19:28.645 --> 00:19:29.386 This is hard. 00:19:29.527 --> 00:19:30.488 I said, hey, kid. 00:19:31.308 --> 00:19:32.670 You're young enough almost to be my 00:19:32.730 --> 00:19:33.069 grandson. 00:19:33.089 --> 00:19:35.211 I'd rather carry fifty, forty, forty, 00:19:35.310 --> 00:19:39.354 fifty pounds of of pig feed than, 00:19:39.413 --> 00:19:40.654 you know, 00:19:40.674 --> 00:19:43.676 that much water times to sloshing around 00:19:43.717 --> 00:19:44.196 in a bucket. 00:19:44.217 --> 00:19:44.356 Yeah. 00:19:45.738 --> 00:19:45.917 Yeah. 00:19:45.938 --> 00:19:46.857 But you're the old man. 00:19:46.877 --> 00:19:47.858 They should have been like, hey, 00:19:48.298 --> 00:19:49.140 we got this right. 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:50.180 Exactly. 00:19:50.340 --> 00:19:51.560 But the whole time, you know, 00:19:51.661 --> 00:19:52.761 and then so when we were all said 00:19:52.781 --> 00:19:53.281 and done, 00:19:53.903 --> 00:19:56.544 kind of got myself together and tell this 00:19:56.584 --> 00:19:58.164 little as Phil Marchi. 00:19:58.184 --> 00:19:59.726 I'm like, hey, so what do you think? 00:19:59.766 --> 00:20:00.487 Farm life for you? 00:20:01.247 --> 00:20:03.468 Says, I don't know, man. 00:20:03.488 --> 00:20:04.688 I just don't feel like I can make... 00:20:04.748 --> 00:20:05.867 And then the other kid chimes in. 00:20:06.228 --> 00:20:07.489 Both of them are saying, and I'm like, 00:20:07.588 --> 00:20:09.528 okay, look, kids, 00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:11.990 here's a couple of jars of honey. 00:20:12.710 --> 00:20:13.810 Get on the first thing smoking. 00:20:13.851 --> 00:20:14.990 I think it lasted two hours. 00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:16.250 They were supposed to be here eight. 00:20:16.691 --> 00:20:18.132 I sent them on the first thing smoking 00:20:18.172 --> 00:20:18.991 going down the road, 00:20:19.051 --> 00:20:21.232 but I find it curious that everybody's 00:20:21.252 --> 00:20:22.093 giving you a little bit of... 00:20:24.162 --> 00:20:25.082 And they probably will, 00:20:25.221 --> 00:20:26.323 even with this interview as well, 00:20:26.343 --> 00:20:27.503 they're giving you a little bit of grief 00:20:27.544 --> 00:20:29.905 over this when it's never been easier to 00:20:29.945 --> 00:20:31.548 be a success, at least in my view. 00:20:32.167 --> 00:20:33.909 There's never been more opportunity. 00:20:34.009 --> 00:20:35.029 Some things are hard. 00:20:35.550 --> 00:20:36.872 And I think I say that right out 00:20:36.892 --> 00:20:38.313 of the gate in the second book, 00:20:38.353 --> 00:20:41.035 that if you're twenty five years old to 00:20:41.055 --> 00:20:42.455 thirty five years old today or even a 00:20:42.556 --> 00:20:43.396 little bit younger, 00:20:43.958 --> 00:20:45.699 you live in a world that's a conundrum. 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:46.839 Um. 00:20:47.744 --> 00:20:49.905 Things because of the way we manage our 00:20:49.945 --> 00:20:52.506 monetary system more than any other reason 00:20:53.126 --> 00:20:54.426 on some levels are harder. 00:20:54.487 --> 00:20:56.508 If you take a standard, get a job, 00:20:56.567 --> 00:20:58.127 go to work, do your thing, 00:20:58.748 --> 00:21:00.429 it will take you quite a number of 00:21:00.489 --> 00:21:02.409 years longer to buy your first house today 00:21:02.429 --> 00:21:04.109 than it did when you and I were 00:21:04.130 --> 00:21:05.809 like, you know, twenty five years old. 00:21:06.510 --> 00:21:07.570 It just it just does. 00:21:07.590 --> 00:21:09.451 So we you and I can't sit back 00:21:09.511 --> 00:21:12.251 and say nothing is harder than it was 00:21:12.291 --> 00:21:13.873 when we were young. 00:21:14.313 --> 00:21:14.913 However, 00:21:15.133 --> 00:21:16.973 there's more opportunity than there's ever 00:21:17.013 --> 00:21:17.233 been. 00:21:18.136 --> 00:21:18.297 Right. 00:21:18.356 --> 00:21:20.818 The fact that like you think about this, 00:21:20.838 --> 00:21:22.159 like if you move to a new, 00:21:22.239 --> 00:21:23.299 if you were a twenty five year old 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:23.500 kid, 00:21:23.539 --> 00:21:24.681 you move to a new town right now. 00:21:25.381 --> 00:21:27.122 You can start making money tomorrow. 00:21:28.383 --> 00:21:30.384 You can deliver shit for Amazon. 00:21:30.403 --> 00:21:32.065 You can go to Rover and dog sit 00:21:32.105 --> 00:21:32.506 people. 00:21:32.566 --> 00:21:33.486 You can do Uber. 00:21:33.506 --> 00:21:34.487 You can do Uber each. 00:21:34.507 --> 00:21:35.527 You can do DoorDash. 00:21:35.907 --> 00:21:37.568 You can do TaskRabbit and throw sheds 00:21:37.588 --> 00:21:39.930 together for people like I'm not saying 00:21:39.950 --> 00:21:41.111 you're going to get rich doing it. 00:21:41.171 --> 00:21:43.031 I'm saying just the fact that you can 00:21:43.172 --> 00:21:44.113 land anywhere. 00:21:45.037 --> 00:21:48.660 and begin making income the next day, bro, 00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:49.740 you and I didn't have that. 00:21:49.820 --> 00:21:51.682 Not that easily anyway, right? 00:21:51.701 --> 00:21:53.182 There's ways you could do it, 00:21:53.762 --> 00:21:55.104 but it wasn't like that. 00:21:55.144 --> 00:21:56.665 The other thing I think has happened is, 00:21:56.726 --> 00:21:58.547 and this is, we have to, 00:21:58.707 --> 00:22:01.348 if we're going to poke these young people, 00:22:01.368 --> 00:22:03.510 we also have to be honest about what's 00:22:03.590 --> 00:22:04.631 not their fault, right? 00:22:04.951 --> 00:22:09.015 So they have been the kind of the 00:22:09.075 --> 00:22:09.835 magnum opus of, 00:22:10.976 --> 00:22:13.737 of the establishment's propaganda machine, 00:22:13.797 --> 00:22:13.978 right? 00:22:14.018 --> 00:22:15.838 Like they tried to do it to us. 00:22:15.878 --> 00:22:17.219 They did a pretty good job of the 00:22:17.278 --> 00:22:20.320 generation between us and they really had 00:22:20.340 --> 00:22:21.040 it perfected. 00:22:21.381 --> 00:22:22.821 And it all started back with our parents, 00:22:22.842 --> 00:22:24.782 the boomers in the seventies and late 00:22:24.843 --> 00:22:27.644 sixties when they took over academia doing 00:22:27.684 --> 00:22:27.944 this. 00:22:28.345 --> 00:22:30.145 And they have convinced each generation 00:22:30.185 --> 00:22:31.646 it's the one befores. 00:22:32.366 --> 00:22:32.707 fault. 00:22:32.727 --> 00:22:34.667 So it's all our fault. 00:22:34.788 --> 00:22:36.448 Us Gen Xers who are now boomers in 00:22:36.468 --> 00:22:38.828 the mind of the millennials and the Gen 00:22:38.929 --> 00:22:40.088 Xers, we're all boomers, right? 00:22:40.108 --> 00:22:41.549 We're either one of them or a boomer. 00:22:42.450 --> 00:22:45.371 And they talk about this time when guys 00:22:45.411 --> 00:22:46.750 like you and me, Billy, 00:22:46.770 --> 00:22:48.491 and certainly the boomers, 00:22:48.892 --> 00:22:50.652 we could just go buy a house on 00:22:50.811 --> 00:22:52.593 one income and raise three kids and it 00:22:52.613 --> 00:22:54.232 was easy. 00:22:54.252 --> 00:22:56.493 Y'all are talking about eight years ago. 00:22:57.438 --> 00:22:59.159 Y'all are talking about the nineteen 00:22:59.298 --> 00:23:03.101 forties after the Second World War up 00:23:03.161 --> 00:23:04.761 until about nineteen sixty. 00:23:05.981 --> 00:23:06.582 A boomer, 00:23:06.942 --> 00:23:09.503 the oldest boomer today in nineteen sixty 00:23:09.903 --> 00:23:12.565 was fifteen years old. 00:23:13.586 --> 00:23:15.146 How much say do you have in the 00:23:15.207 --> 00:23:15.626 world? 00:23:16.593 --> 00:23:17.913 when you're fifteen years old. 00:23:17.973 --> 00:23:19.134 I'll give you the answer, zero. 00:23:19.836 --> 00:23:20.936 You have zero say in that, 00:23:20.957 --> 00:23:22.238 except for your own world, 00:23:22.538 --> 00:23:23.599 you have zero say in the world. 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:25.741 So this fantasy they have and this 00:23:25.801 --> 00:23:27.403 animosity they have because they can't see 00:23:27.423 --> 00:23:28.804 how they're going to become a homeowner 00:23:29.285 --> 00:23:30.746 about this kind of leave it to beaver 00:23:30.786 --> 00:23:31.026 world, 00:23:31.731 --> 00:23:32.573 That's what it was. 00:23:32.653 --> 00:23:35.275 It was in the leave it to beaver 00:23:35.375 --> 00:23:38.278 years that life was like that. 00:23:38.498 --> 00:23:40.380 Your parents didn't live that way, folks, 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:41.721 and your grandparents didn't live that 00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:41.861 way. 00:23:42.080 --> 00:23:43.221 Your great grandparents did. 00:23:43.722 --> 00:23:46.085 My parents maybe, but like Billy and I, 00:23:46.144 --> 00:23:47.266 our grandparents, 00:23:47.965 --> 00:23:51.128 they were young adults during that period. 00:23:51.348 --> 00:23:53.590 And yes, it's harder, but yes, 00:23:53.611 --> 00:23:54.152 it's easier. 00:23:54.811 --> 00:23:56.993 And that is kind of a catch-twenty-two 00:23:57.013 --> 00:23:57.474 that you're in. 00:23:58.648 --> 00:23:59.229 The thing is, 00:23:59.309 --> 00:24:01.631 what worked for them won't work for you. 00:24:02.592 --> 00:24:04.093 But what will work for you is so 00:24:04.113 --> 00:24:05.875 much more abundant than what they had that 00:24:05.894 --> 00:24:08.056 was available for them. 00:24:08.076 --> 00:24:08.576 Like you said, 00:24:08.936 --> 00:24:10.698 multi-million dollar ideas like that. 00:24:10.718 --> 00:24:11.999 But there's like a chapter in this book, 00:24:12.038 --> 00:24:12.220 too. 00:24:12.259 --> 00:24:13.240 You know what the idea is worth? 00:24:13.881 --> 00:24:15.982 Zero without execution. 00:24:16.002 --> 00:24:17.163 Zero without execution. 00:24:17.423 --> 00:24:18.183 There you go. 00:24:18.324 --> 00:24:20.425 If you can't execute and like what you 00:24:20.445 --> 00:24:21.267 learn as you get older. 00:24:22.602 --> 00:24:23.782 The problem isn't an idea. 00:24:23.823 --> 00:24:26.184 It's filtering out and getting down to one 00:24:26.204 --> 00:24:28.066 that you can commit to and fully 00:24:28.086 --> 00:24:29.987 committing to it. 00:24:30.007 --> 00:24:30.667 Touche, man. 00:24:30.728 --> 00:24:31.407 Right on the money. 00:24:31.548 --> 00:24:31.729 Now, 00:24:31.788 --> 00:24:34.390 let's go ahead and educate some of these 00:24:34.410 --> 00:24:35.871 people out here because there's something 00:24:35.911 --> 00:24:38.593 in your chapter one that really just 00:24:38.692 --> 00:24:40.294 jumped out at me right off the bat. 00:24:40.535 --> 00:24:41.615 And I was like, boy, 00:24:41.654 --> 00:24:44.196 I got this right and wrong all at 00:24:44.237 --> 00:24:45.038 the same time. 00:24:45.617 --> 00:24:47.358 And you call it do what you hate 00:24:47.419 --> 00:24:49.361 first and do it like you love it. 00:24:49.421 --> 00:24:50.942 Now, I got half of that equation right. 00:24:51.281 --> 00:24:51.382 Yeah. 00:24:51.501 --> 00:24:53.482 I always, I mean, 00:24:53.682 --> 00:24:55.403 every single day I try to, 00:24:56.284 --> 00:24:57.884 every day there's a systematic thing that 00:24:57.924 --> 00:24:58.765 has to get done. 00:24:58.904 --> 00:25:00.244 And then, you know, 00:25:00.526 --> 00:25:01.965 I got to play freestyle and put out 00:25:02.006 --> 00:25:03.366 fires and do all the other things like 00:25:03.406 --> 00:25:04.007 everybody else. 00:25:04.507 --> 00:25:05.548 But I got to say, 00:25:06.147 --> 00:25:06.928 when I looked at that, 00:25:07.107 --> 00:25:09.388 I had something of a eureka moment, Jack, 00:25:09.409 --> 00:25:10.549 just like I told you in your last 00:25:10.609 --> 00:25:10.849 book. 00:25:12.009 --> 00:25:13.351 This is the benefit of a book, y'all. 00:25:13.371 --> 00:25:15.070 This is what Joel Salatin talks about all 00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:15.431 the time. 00:25:15.471 --> 00:25:16.432 Find me one book. 00:25:17.085 --> 00:25:18.467 where you don't walk away with at least 00:25:18.507 --> 00:25:19.928 a hundred dollar idea out of it. 00:25:20.749 --> 00:25:22.931 And this one is a thousand dollar idea 00:25:23.010 --> 00:25:23.751 if you ask me. 00:25:24.192 --> 00:25:24.813 So Jack, why don't you, 00:25:25.192 --> 00:25:25.874 if you don't mind, 00:25:25.973 --> 00:25:28.656 I know you don't mind getting into it, 00:25:28.737 --> 00:25:30.959 but I got the first half of that 00:25:30.999 --> 00:25:31.539 equation right, 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:32.760 but I got the other one wrong. 00:25:33.122 --> 00:25:34.103 Break that down for us. 00:25:34.682 --> 00:25:37.645 So the concept is, 00:25:39.578 --> 00:25:42.040 That first of all systems have more power 00:25:42.301 --> 00:25:44.983 than willpower ever will so you're you're 00:25:45.023 --> 00:25:46.365 former military like me, 00:25:46.385 --> 00:25:48.367 so you know that you bring people into 00:25:48.407 --> 00:25:49.167 the military. 00:25:49.709 --> 00:25:51.150 And you have to be able to put 00:25:51.190 --> 00:25:52.852 them into situations they're going to be 00:25:52.892 --> 00:25:54.252 very difficult you're gonna have to know 00:25:54.272 --> 00:25:55.954 there's a minimum level of performance. 00:25:56.973 --> 00:25:57.574 right? 00:25:57.614 --> 00:25:59.595 So you create a system around that. 00:26:00.035 --> 00:26:01.236 You don't bring everybody in. 00:26:01.256 --> 00:26:02.655 Like people see, you know, 00:26:02.675 --> 00:26:03.717 if you've never been in the military, 00:26:03.737 --> 00:26:05.416 you see like basic training and 00:26:05.457 --> 00:26:06.317 everybody's getting yelled at and 00:26:06.357 --> 00:26:06.758 everything. 00:26:06.798 --> 00:26:08.178 And I think that people get this idea 00:26:08.198 --> 00:26:10.019 that they just yell at you until you 00:26:10.058 --> 00:26:11.259 decide you're going to do it. 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:13.099 And that's not how that works. 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:16.080 Like there's systems of management and 00:26:16.161 --> 00:26:18.801 operations in place and you train someone 00:26:18.821 --> 00:26:20.522 to that level and that system. 00:26:20.843 --> 00:26:22.683 And then the system does the majority of 00:26:22.703 --> 00:26:24.903 the work because when Reveille goes off, 00:26:24.923 --> 00:26:25.865 you get the fuck out of bed and 00:26:25.884 --> 00:26:26.265 you get 00:26:26.585 --> 00:26:29.046 to your formation on time and when you're 00:26:29.086 --> 00:26:30.507 told to move you move so your buddy 00:26:30.527 --> 00:26:32.887 doesn't get shot right that's the power of 00:26:32.928 --> 00:26:34.709 systems this is not a military book i'm 00:26:34.729 --> 00:26:37.190 just trying to like use an analogy here 00:26:37.670 --> 00:26:39.810 so if you put a system in place 00:26:40.571 --> 00:26:43.613 in an area where willpower is weak you 00:26:43.653 --> 00:26:44.314 go further 00:26:45.193 --> 00:26:47.836 And that system is we look at everything 00:26:47.895 --> 00:26:49.336 every day that we have to do. 00:26:49.877 --> 00:26:50.377 And we say, 00:26:50.597 --> 00:26:51.959 what are the things that if I don't 00:26:52.059 --> 00:26:52.599 do this, 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.300 something horrible is going to happen. 00:26:54.541 --> 00:26:55.001 All right. 00:26:55.521 --> 00:26:56.623 And then we look at the things like 00:26:56.843 --> 00:26:58.805 this really does need to get done today. 00:26:59.365 --> 00:27:00.846 And then it'd be nice if this gets 00:27:00.865 --> 00:27:01.346 done today. 00:27:01.366 --> 00:27:03.008 And there's your A, B and C categories. 00:27:03.367 --> 00:27:04.189 And in each category, 00:27:04.209 --> 00:27:06.750 your tiebreaker of what goes first is do 00:27:06.790 --> 00:27:07.632 you want to do it? 00:27:08.959 --> 00:27:10.221 And the thing you do not want to 00:27:10.260 --> 00:27:11.162 do if it's an A, 00:27:11.201 --> 00:27:12.443 like something's going to die or I'm going 00:27:12.463 --> 00:27:12.904 to get fired, 00:27:12.924 --> 00:27:13.865 I'm going to lose an account, 00:27:14.247 --> 00:27:15.188 it just became one A. 00:27:16.549 --> 00:27:17.731 And the thing that has to happen, 00:27:17.751 --> 00:27:18.753 but you kind of want to do it, 00:27:19.074 --> 00:27:21.237 it's two A. Now it's a system. 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:23.119 Now it's a system. 00:27:23.340 --> 00:27:24.561 Once it becomes a system, 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.539 Then the system runs the show. 00:27:28.881 --> 00:27:30.260 Now you are the orchestra, you know, 00:27:30.300 --> 00:27:31.421 you're kind of the conductor of the 00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:32.181 orchestra here. 00:27:32.601 --> 00:27:34.082 You're the one that decides that. 00:27:34.642 --> 00:27:35.521 And we were talking earlier about 00:27:35.561 --> 00:27:35.922 pushback. 00:27:35.942 --> 00:27:37.442 And I think one of the biggest problems 00:27:37.481 --> 00:27:39.823 people have with the whole mindset of what 00:27:39.863 --> 00:27:41.482 I'm trying to bring out with these books 00:27:41.583 --> 00:27:44.023 is I'm making you your own mentor, 00:27:45.403 --> 00:27:47.463 which is absolutely terrifying if you 00:27:47.483 --> 00:27:48.124 think about it. 00:27:48.144 --> 00:27:49.984 Imagine you call me up, Billy, 00:27:50.005 --> 00:27:51.105 and you say, Jack, 00:27:51.125 --> 00:27:52.005 I want you to be my mentor. 00:27:52.025 --> 00:27:52.684 And I say, okay, 00:27:52.704 --> 00:27:53.605 and then you're all happy about it. 00:27:53.846 --> 00:27:55.185 It turns out I'm telepathic. 00:27:57.461 --> 00:27:58.821 And every time you try to lie to 00:27:58.862 --> 00:28:00.182 me, not only do I know you're lying, 00:28:00.222 --> 00:28:01.884 I know exactly how you're lying. 00:28:02.163 --> 00:28:03.525 I know how that story when you were 00:28:03.605 --> 00:28:05.446 five years old didn't actually happen. 00:28:05.767 --> 00:28:07.708 I know exactly what happened. 00:28:08.088 --> 00:28:09.769 I know exactly what you were thinking when 00:28:09.789 --> 00:28:11.090 you didn't get out of bed this morning. 00:28:11.411 --> 00:28:12.211 Now it's kind of like, 00:28:12.251 --> 00:28:13.451 I don't know if I really want this 00:28:13.491 --> 00:28:14.373 dude as my mentor. 00:28:15.253 --> 00:28:17.055 When you build systems and you put 00:28:17.095 --> 00:28:18.576 somebody in charge as their own mentor, 00:28:18.895 --> 00:28:21.157 the natural resistance comes from the fact 00:28:21.178 --> 00:28:22.538 that you know you can't bullshit yourself. 00:28:24.185 --> 00:28:25.007 Now you can, 00:28:25.507 --> 00:28:27.228 if you just live life loosely like 00:28:27.248 --> 00:28:27.769 everybody does, 00:28:27.808 --> 00:28:29.509 but if you get into a tight structure 00:28:30.089 --> 00:28:31.852 and you hold yourself to a standard, 00:28:31.872 --> 00:28:33.893 and one of the quotes in the book 00:28:33.913 --> 00:28:35.634 that I really love is, 00:28:35.994 --> 00:28:37.915 the standard that you walk by is the 00:28:37.955 --> 00:28:39.176 standard that you accept. 00:28:40.386 --> 00:28:41.907 And that's what I've adopted in my life 00:28:41.928 --> 00:28:43.569 because as organized as I seem when it 00:28:43.589 --> 00:28:45.050 comes to all the crap on my farm 00:28:45.090 --> 00:28:47.633 and all, stuff gets laying at places. 00:28:47.692 --> 00:28:49.213 So like that became one of my things 00:28:49.233 --> 00:28:50.996 that goes in my kind of my daily 00:28:51.056 --> 00:28:52.557 review, my daily practice. 00:28:53.057 --> 00:28:53.377 And, you know, 00:28:53.438 --> 00:28:54.939 now when I walk by something slaying 00:28:54.959 --> 00:28:55.138 there, 00:28:55.159 --> 00:28:57.681 I just hear Dave Morrison was the guy 00:28:57.701 --> 00:28:58.182 that said that. 00:28:58.201 --> 00:28:59.343 And I hear that in my head and 00:28:59.363 --> 00:28:59.863 like, damn it, 00:28:59.883 --> 00:29:00.804 now I have to do it. 00:29:01.344 --> 00:29:02.125 And that's what you're doing. 00:29:02.144 --> 00:29:03.066 You're getting tied into that. 00:29:03.105 --> 00:29:04.326 But with this idea of doing what you 00:29:04.346 --> 00:29:04.906 hate first, 00:29:05.287 --> 00:29:06.587 the story I tell in the book about 00:29:06.627 --> 00:29:06.768 this, 00:29:06.788 --> 00:29:08.288 this is an honest to God true story. 00:29:08.630 --> 00:29:09.710 When I was really young, 00:29:09.730 --> 00:29:10.911 it's in my early twenties, 00:29:11.251 --> 00:29:13.732 I got my first really good sales position 00:29:13.752 --> 00:29:14.354 in telecom. 00:29:15.074 --> 00:29:16.275 And the way you make money in sales, 00:29:16.315 --> 00:29:17.155 especially back then, 00:29:17.195 --> 00:29:18.457 the internet existed, 00:29:18.517 --> 00:29:19.758 but not the way it did today. 00:29:19.798 --> 00:29:21.179 You couldn't just throw out lead ladders 00:29:21.199 --> 00:29:22.299 and stuff like that, right? 00:29:24.181 --> 00:29:26.001 You made your money in sales by cold 00:29:26.041 --> 00:29:26.323 calling. 00:29:27.138 --> 00:29:28.078 No one wants a cold call. 00:29:28.118 --> 00:29:29.220 Cold call sucks. 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.721 Cold calling is for every ten calls you 00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:33.121 make, 00:29:33.662 --> 00:29:35.962 literally getting told to F off nine times 00:29:36.702 --> 00:29:38.784 and probably being told nicely to F off 00:29:38.943 --> 00:29:39.183 once. 00:29:40.003 --> 00:29:41.105 So you got to make twenty and then 00:29:41.125 --> 00:29:43.326 you'll get one where you get a toehold 00:29:43.945 --> 00:29:45.266 and that'll get you to the next level 00:29:45.326 --> 00:29:45.866 in the chain. 00:29:46.567 --> 00:29:47.547 And then for every ten of those, 00:29:47.567 --> 00:29:48.807 you're going to get told to F off 00:29:48.887 --> 00:29:49.647 nine times. 00:29:50.188 --> 00:29:51.749 So it's about thirty times of being told 00:29:51.788 --> 00:29:53.789 to go do horrible things to yourself 00:29:54.230 --> 00:29:56.250 before you get one that even possibly 00:29:56.290 --> 00:29:56.851 leads somewhere. 00:29:57.744 --> 00:30:00.026 if you don't do it the whole thing 00:30:00.046 --> 00:30:02.247 falls apart now the problem for me in 00:30:02.267 --> 00:30:05.067 that was i'm a systems thinker and i 00:30:05.127 --> 00:30:07.147 like to design things and i had a 00:30:07.208 --> 00:30:08.848 lot of experience already at actually 00:30:08.909 --> 00:30:10.369 running jobs so i was not just a 00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:12.089 sales guy i was a sales guy to 00:30:12.130 --> 00:30:14.151 pull project manager in when i was putting 00:30:14.171 --> 00:30:15.932 a bid together and say can we redesign 00:30:15.971 --> 00:30:18.152 this save the customer money well why 00:30:18.172 --> 00:30:18.932 would you want to do that so we 00:30:18.952 --> 00:30:19.353 get the job 00:30:20.509 --> 00:30:21.470 So we're the one bringing that. 00:30:21.509 --> 00:30:22.589 So I love that. 00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:23.691 I love sitting down with a customer. 00:30:23.730 --> 00:30:24.490 I love negotiating. 00:30:24.510 --> 00:30:25.152 I love closing. 00:30:25.511 --> 00:30:26.932 I love getting into that room when I 00:30:26.952 --> 00:30:28.453 was sitting around a conference table that 00:30:28.493 --> 00:30:28.973 I couldn't afford, 00:30:29.013 --> 00:30:31.796 let alone the building they were in and 00:30:31.836 --> 00:30:34.457 talking to these people and bringing and 00:30:34.497 --> 00:30:37.358 winning them over by sheer force of will 00:30:37.398 --> 00:30:38.720 and logic and presentation. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:39.799 I loved all that. 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:40.621 I hated cold calling. 00:30:41.201 --> 00:30:42.521 But the way you got to do all 00:30:42.561 --> 00:30:44.423 the other stuff was cold calling. 00:30:45.463 --> 00:30:47.285 So here's the dumb, doofus thing I did. 00:30:48.714 --> 00:30:50.036 sitting in the gym one day i'm working 00:30:50.135 --> 00:30:51.217 out i look at myself in the mirror 00:30:51.237 --> 00:30:52.778 i got my lifting gloves on i got 00:30:52.818 --> 00:30:54.640 my shirt i'm all cut i'm sweating i'm 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.101 in that point of a workout where like 00:30:56.382 --> 00:30:58.884 you're hurting but it feels good and i'm 00:30:58.923 --> 00:31:01.826 like i'll kick anybody's ass right now i'm 00:31:01.846 --> 00:31:04.888 like that's what you need so i went 00:31:04.949 --> 00:31:07.090 back to my office i put a mirror 00:31:07.151 --> 00:31:10.733 up on my wall and i would take 00:31:10.773 --> 00:31:11.914 my dress shirt off i had to wear 00:31:11.934 --> 00:31:13.195 to work and put a t-shirt on 00:31:14.346 --> 00:31:15.406 And I'd stand in front of that mirror 00:31:15.426 --> 00:31:17.367 with a headset on, tied to my phone, 00:31:17.387 --> 00:31:18.327 plugged into a desk. 00:31:18.347 --> 00:31:19.509 That's how long ago this is, 00:31:19.808 --> 00:31:21.230 with my call sheet for the day. 00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:22.931 And my first two hours every day, 00:31:23.030 --> 00:31:23.550 I called and called. 00:31:25.211 --> 00:31:26.553 That sounds juvenile, right? 00:31:26.573 --> 00:31:27.633 And you get in there pretending he's 00:31:27.653 --> 00:31:28.012 working out. 00:31:28.534 --> 00:31:29.513 Yeah, well, in nine months, 00:31:29.574 --> 00:31:30.595 I did two and a half million dollars 00:31:30.615 --> 00:31:33.375 worth of sales for a company that had 00:31:33.415 --> 00:31:34.537 never done more than four and a half 00:31:34.557 --> 00:31:35.257 million in a year. 00:31:35.998 --> 00:31:36.057 Wow. 00:31:37.596 --> 00:31:40.499 Because the system was more powerful than 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:40.798 the world. 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.160 It's easy to say, well, 00:31:42.259 --> 00:31:43.280 I'm going to do this. 00:31:43.661 --> 00:31:46.603 But once you put a system over top 00:31:46.663 --> 00:31:49.464 of the concept and then you hold yourself 00:31:49.484 --> 00:31:52.067 to the system, everything changes. 00:31:52.106 --> 00:31:53.508 It doesn't change overnight. 00:31:54.709 --> 00:31:56.369 And we've been on here now for thirty 00:31:56.450 --> 00:31:59.392 one minutes and we've covered one law. 00:31:59.972 --> 00:32:00.173 Right. 00:32:00.212 --> 00:32:01.594 So there's a lot more to it than 00:32:01.634 --> 00:32:01.953 that. 00:32:02.555 --> 00:32:04.976 But that's the mindset that I'm coming 00:32:05.016 --> 00:32:06.537 from with what I'm trying to teach people 00:32:06.577 --> 00:32:07.117 in these books. 00:32:08.134 --> 00:32:09.035 That's fantastic. 00:32:10.195 --> 00:32:10.936 You know, the next one, 00:32:11.657 --> 00:32:13.339 there's something about that book and this 00:32:13.420 --> 00:32:15.742 one, too, where everything, 00:32:15.863 --> 00:32:17.724 every title of every chapter jumps off the 00:32:17.765 --> 00:32:18.986 page to me personally. 00:32:19.386 --> 00:32:20.708 I don't know if it's because my age 00:32:20.748 --> 00:32:22.430 or, you know, that we folks, 00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:22.971 if you don't know, 00:32:23.010 --> 00:32:24.952 there's so much overlap with me and Jack. 00:32:24.972 --> 00:32:26.535 We both grew up in Pennsylvania. 00:32:26.575 --> 00:32:28.317 We went to the same part in the 00:32:28.396 --> 00:32:28.656 Army. 00:32:29.377 --> 00:32:31.618 And then, you know, do pretty much this, 00:32:31.838 --> 00:32:32.039 you know, 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.721 a similar type of thing this day. 00:32:34.421 --> 00:32:36.241 It's like there's a lot of overlap. 00:32:36.261 --> 00:32:38.182 So I keep getting freaked out every time 00:32:38.222 --> 00:32:39.443 I look at some of your titles here. 00:32:39.463 --> 00:32:40.684 And when I went through that last book, 00:32:40.704 --> 00:32:42.566 because I'm like, good night, man, 00:32:42.625 --> 00:32:43.445 I see it this way. 00:32:43.546 --> 00:32:45.446 And then I get a eureka moment and 00:32:45.467 --> 00:32:46.508 say, oh, my goodness, 00:32:47.008 --> 00:32:48.969 this next one applies to something that 00:32:49.009 --> 00:32:51.471 happened just a couple of weeks ago. 00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:52.971 And I really would like for you to 00:32:53.011 --> 00:32:54.211 go into that a little bit more, too. 00:32:54.251 --> 00:32:54.932 It's the next chapter. 00:32:54.972 --> 00:32:56.634 Everyone's an expert at a few things. 00:32:57.193 --> 00:32:57.994 Reason I'm saying this. 00:32:58.755 --> 00:33:00.976 I was speaking at a conference down in 00:33:01.115 --> 00:33:02.057 Alabama, 00:33:02.237 --> 00:33:03.237 I want to say a couple of years 00:33:03.277 --> 00:33:03.497 ago. 00:33:04.218 --> 00:33:05.377 And I can't even begin to tell you 00:33:05.397 --> 00:33:06.679 how many people were coming up to me 00:33:06.878 --> 00:33:07.519 asking me, hey, 00:33:07.578 --> 00:33:09.059 how can I make money doing this? 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:10.559 And they all think they got to be 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:11.080 on YouTube. 00:33:11.101 --> 00:33:11.901 And I'm like, folks, 00:33:11.921 --> 00:33:13.261 you don't realize I don't make my money 00:33:13.281 --> 00:33:13.922 through YouTube. 00:33:14.321 --> 00:33:15.522 They don't pay me anything. 00:33:15.962 --> 00:33:17.282 I make my money different ways. 00:33:17.743 --> 00:33:18.923 So I asked this one guy, I said, 00:33:18.943 --> 00:33:19.523 what do you do? 00:33:19.984 --> 00:33:20.984 What do you do for fun? 00:33:21.005 --> 00:33:21.505 What do you love? 00:33:21.585 --> 00:33:23.465 What can you do that you can monetize? 00:33:24.326 --> 00:33:24.507 And... 00:33:26.262 --> 00:33:27.702 He's telling me, well, you know, 00:33:27.863 --> 00:33:30.203 I like to bang on tin and make 00:33:30.243 --> 00:33:30.844 different things. 00:33:30.864 --> 00:33:31.384 I'm like, okay, 00:33:31.403 --> 00:33:33.365 you ever thought about making a shovel? 00:33:33.404 --> 00:33:34.444 You ever thought about making, 00:33:34.785 --> 00:33:36.645 because I got one that I bought from 00:33:36.685 --> 00:33:37.605 Tractor Supply. 00:33:38.246 --> 00:33:40.707 The tines on the pitchfork broke the first 00:33:40.767 --> 00:33:41.086 day. 00:33:41.547 --> 00:33:42.547 The shovel handle, 00:33:43.208 --> 00:33:44.048 I got it in the back of the 00:33:44.087 --> 00:33:44.928 truck right now, Jack. 00:33:45.327 --> 00:33:45.948 The shovel handle, 00:33:46.167 --> 00:33:48.548 which was supposed to be hickory, busted, 00:33:48.648 --> 00:33:50.088 and you ain't breaking no shovel handle 00:33:50.329 --> 00:33:52.410 made out of hickory the first day or 00:33:52.470 --> 00:33:53.390 first week or whatever. 00:33:54.471 --> 00:33:55.230 That one's been a month. 00:33:55.830 --> 00:33:56.171 So anyway, 00:33:56.211 --> 00:33:57.791 there's planned obsolescence built into 00:33:57.952 --> 00:33:58.512 all this stuff. 00:33:58.553 --> 00:33:59.993 So I tell this guy, hey, 00:34:00.413 --> 00:34:01.714 you ever thought about making a broad 00:34:01.795 --> 00:34:02.155 fork, 00:34:02.395 --> 00:34:04.978 a specialized broad fork that actually 00:34:05.077 --> 00:34:05.518 works? 00:34:06.218 --> 00:34:07.459 And then you ever look into the work 00:34:07.479 --> 00:34:08.460 of Victor Schauberger? 00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:09.840 You ever thought about making some of this 00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:10.742 stuff out of copper? 00:34:11.362 --> 00:34:12.983 And he's like, wow, wow, wow. 00:34:13.322 --> 00:34:14.043 I said, I'll tell you what, 00:34:14.764 --> 00:34:17.106 you send me a prototype of anything you 00:34:17.146 --> 00:34:19.487 make and I'll give it a shot. 00:34:20.068 --> 00:34:20.748 And I'll tell you what, 00:34:20.789 --> 00:34:22.570 if it works and it's legit, 00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:25.192 I'll let everybody in the world know about 00:34:25.231 --> 00:34:25.291 it. 00:34:25.961 --> 00:34:27.023 Haven't heard a word from that guy. 00:34:27.043 --> 00:34:27.182 Now, 00:34:27.202 --> 00:34:28.925 that's one of I don't even know how 00:34:28.945 --> 00:34:30.766 many people, but this guy was really, 00:34:30.827 --> 00:34:31.628 really good. 00:34:31.989 --> 00:34:34.831 He even had pictures of some of the 00:34:34.851 --> 00:34:35.351 stuff he made, 00:34:35.391 --> 00:34:36.472 but he never did anything with it. 00:34:36.514 --> 00:34:36.954 Like you said, 00:34:37.454 --> 00:34:39.516 ideation without execution amounts to 00:34:39.617 --> 00:34:39.976 nothing. 00:34:40.577 --> 00:34:40.757 Yeah, 00:34:40.777 --> 00:34:42.018 if you're going to have ideas without 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.440 execution, we might as well, like, 00:34:43.621 --> 00:34:45.222 my idea is a warp drive, right? 00:34:45.422 --> 00:34:46.563 Time machine, you know? 00:34:47.505 --> 00:34:49.309 A pill that makes your dog not shed, 00:34:49.588 --> 00:34:49.730 right? 00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:53.255 If the idea matters, then go there, right? 00:34:53.275 --> 00:34:54.858 There's a chapter on that too. 00:34:54.918 --> 00:34:57.443 But on the genius thing, right? 00:34:58.449 --> 00:34:58.869 I was going, 00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:00.510 I know he ain't had time to read 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:01.650 the whole damn book because I just sent 00:35:01.670 --> 00:35:03.693 it to him today because I flaked out, 00:35:03.733 --> 00:35:05.074 didn't send it to you two weeks ago 00:35:05.094 --> 00:35:05.893 when you asked me to be on the 00:35:05.934 --> 00:35:06.934 show like I should have. 00:35:08.175 --> 00:35:08.856 I thought you were going to, 00:35:08.896 --> 00:35:09.896 like so much overlap, 00:35:09.916 --> 00:35:11.438 going to tell the exact same story from 00:35:11.478 --> 00:35:12.039 the chapter. 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:13.940 But what I talk about in the chapter 00:35:14.139 --> 00:35:16.021 where I've noticed that people are 00:35:16.081 --> 00:35:19.264 geniuses is at conferences and prepper 00:35:19.284 --> 00:35:21.505 gatherings and things like that. 00:35:22.025 --> 00:35:23.065 And this is what happens. 00:35:23.146 --> 00:35:24.567 I know you've seen this happen. 00:35:24.586 --> 00:35:25.547 You're, you know, 00:35:25.786 --> 00:35:27.668 especially indoors because people can hear 00:35:27.728 --> 00:35:27.967 better. 00:35:28.007 --> 00:35:29.228 So you're at like some conference or 00:35:29.248 --> 00:35:29.467 whatever. 00:35:29.507 --> 00:35:30.528 You're kind of in the back of the 00:35:30.588 --> 00:35:32.648 room or the hallway behind it or whatever. 00:35:33.009 --> 00:35:34.570 And, you know, you talk to somebody. 00:35:35.010 --> 00:35:36.951 I always try to talk to everybody. 00:35:37.190 --> 00:35:37.411 I mean, 00:35:37.451 --> 00:35:39.271 you know that I make a real effort, 00:35:40.072 --> 00:35:41.452 especially people that don't know me, 00:35:41.512 --> 00:35:42.931 because that's even better because then 00:35:42.952 --> 00:35:44.112 it's just the dude talking to you. 00:35:44.932 --> 00:35:47.175 and i always follow like just basic 00:35:47.235 --> 00:35:48.956 networking things to get people talking 00:35:48.996 --> 00:35:50.798 like and people like it's hard to talk 00:35:50.818 --> 00:35:52.780 to people at a conference who are you 00:35:53.121 --> 00:35:55.503 where'd you come from what what what's 00:35:55.543 --> 00:35:57.485 most interesting here right and you're 00:35:57.505 --> 00:35:59.148 talking about them so they start talking 00:35:59.507 --> 00:36:00.708 so you start talking to them and you 00:36:00.728 --> 00:36:02.030 get the kind of like the him and 00:36:02.070 --> 00:36:04.012 han and just here to learn and whatever 00:36:04.233 --> 00:36:05.855 but then you find one thing 00:36:07.085 --> 00:36:07.706 They know, 00:36:07.746 --> 00:36:10.130 like your guy with metal work or whatever. 00:36:10.610 --> 00:36:11.231 And all of a sudden, 00:36:11.251 --> 00:36:12.873 you just start asking them questions about 00:36:12.913 --> 00:36:13.134 that. 00:36:13.753 --> 00:36:13.994 And see, 00:36:14.034 --> 00:36:15.856 nobody's ever done this for them before. 00:36:16.418 --> 00:36:17.778 And they don't know 00:36:18.902 --> 00:36:21.123 They don't realize how smart they are 00:36:21.583 --> 00:36:23.385 because the only people they talk to about 00:36:23.425 --> 00:36:25.186 that are all their buddies that are like 00:36:25.588 --> 00:36:28.329 nerds for that thing together, right? 00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:30.931 So everybody knows a little bit about it 00:36:30.992 --> 00:36:32.432 and then they all combine what they know 00:36:32.472 --> 00:36:34.675 so they all learn more and they all 00:36:34.695 --> 00:36:35.795 think they're about the same and they 00:36:35.815 --> 00:36:37.056 think everybody knows this, 00:36:37.438 --> 00:36:38.137 but they don't. 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.199 And you find something that they have that 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.161 knowledge and a passion for and they start 00:36:42.222 --> 00:36:43.202 talking about it. 00:36:43.822 --> 00:36:44.023 Really? 00:36:44.043 --> 00:36:44.742 Well, how's that work? 00:36:44.802 --> 00:36:45.362 Well, how's that work? 00:36:45.643 --> 00:36:47.384 And all of a sudden you start feeling, 00:36:47.824 --> 00:36:48.764 you don't even see it at first. 00:36:48.784 --> 00:36:50.605 You just feel people behind you. 00:36:51.025 --> 00:36:52.365 You get that kind of, you know, 00:36:52.626 --> 00:36:54.025 that sense that you have that there's 00:36:54.045 --> 00:36:54.266 somebody. 00:36:54.545 --> 00:36:55.547 And you look and there's people and 00:36:55.567 --> 00:36:57.126 they're listening and they're keying in on 00:36:57.146 --> 00:36:57.646 this dude. 00:36:58.186 --> 00:36:59.427 And so you egg him on a little 00:36:59.447 --> 00:37:01.108 bit more and you start taking half step 00:37:01.128 --> 00:37:02.708 backwards. 00:37:02.748 --> 00:37:03.909 And the group coalesces. 00:37:03.929 --> 00:37:04.369 Next thing you know, 00:37:04.389 --> 00:37:06.190 there's just twenty people asking this 00:37:06.230 --> 00:37:07.170 dude questions. 00:37:08.190 --> 00:37:10.331 He's got more attention than the dude they 00:37:10.371 --> 00:37:11.911 paid ten grand to stand at the front 00:37:11.952 --> 00:37:12.692 of the room and talk. 00:37:13.891 --> 00:37:15.092 And you just let it go and kind 00:37:15.132 --> 00:37:17.313 of ease away so that people don't think 00:37:17.333 --> 00:37:18.413 they're interrupting something. 00:37:18.853 --> 00:37:20.014 You go find that dude later and you're 00:37:20.034 --> 00:37:20.673 like, hey, man, 00:37:21.655 --> 00:37:23.534 if I talk to the event organizer, 00:37:23.576 --> 00:37:25.456 would you like to speak at this event 00:37:25.496 --> 00:37:25.956 next year? 00:37:25.976 --> 00:37:27.137 And they're like, oh, man, 00:37:27.177 --> 00:37:28.038 what would I talk about? 00:37:28.978 --> 00:37:30.039 I can't do a presentation. 00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:31.958 You just did a presentation for forty 00:37:31.978 --> 00:37:33.159 people in the back of the room. 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:35.561 Well, that wasn't a presentation. 00:37:35.641 --> 00:37:37.061 I was just talking about what I know. 00:37:37.903 --> 00:37:39.085 That's what a presentation. 00:37:39.324 --> 00:37:39.425 Now, 00:37:39.465 --> 00:37:41.126 they almost never take the opportunity 00:37:41.166 --> 00:37:42.367 when you try to give it to them. 00:37:43.168 --> 00:37:44.509 But when I see that happen, 00:37:44.548 --> 00:37:48.652 I think the untapped genius in the average 00:37:48.711 --> 00:37:51.833 person is unbelievable what's there. 00:37:51.893 --> 00:37:53.114 And that same person, 00:37:53.574 --> 00:37:54.815 when they're complaining about their 00:37:54.856 --> 00:37:55.516 position in life, 00:37:55.536 --> 00:37:58.259 will talk about their potential and talk 00:37:58.278 --> 00:37:59.940 about how if I only had an opportunity, 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.382 but they want their opportunity kind of 00:38:02.442 --> 00:38:06.023 presented to them in a very on-ramp 00:38:06.043 --> 00:38:06.804 friendly way. 00:38:07.911 --> 00:38:08.811 They want a job. 00:38:08.831 --> 00:38:10.211 They want somebody to give them an 00:38:10.271 --> 00:38:10.873 opportunity. 00:38:11.512 --> 00:38:12.833 No one, folks, 00:38:12.893 --> 00:38:15.072 is going to give you crap. 00:38:15.152 --> 00:38:16.793 Even when it feels like they gave it 00:38:16.813 --> 00:38:17.074 to you, 00:38:17.494 --> 00:38:18.454 it was just because you earned it and 00:38:18.474 --> 00:38:19.233 you didn't know it. 00:38:19.974 --> 00:38:21.795 Like these movies where some billionaire 00:38:21.835 --> 00:38:23.735 comes along and looks at the poor guy 00:38:23.755 --> 00:38:25.135 in the street picking his fingernails and 00:38:25.155 --> 00:38:25.434 goes, hey, 00:38:25.454 --> 00:38:26.474 I'm going to give you a job selling 00:38:26.534 --> 00:38:26.914 stocks. 00:38:27.275 --> 00:38:28.456 That's not reality. 00:38:28.496 --> 00:38:30.596 That's Hollywood. 00:38:30.876 --> 00:38:32.456 It might make entertaining TV, 00:38:32.496 --> 00:38:35.157 but you get what you take in life. 00:38:35.942 --> 00:38:37.322 And that might sound predatory, 00:38:37.402 --> 00:38:38.943 and I do not mean it predatory. 00:38:39.623 --> 00:38:41.083 There are things that it's okay for you 00:38:41.123 --> 00:38:43.244 to take, and opportunity is one of them. 00:38:46.007 --> 00:38:47.467 Bro, I couldn't have said that any better. 00:38:48.467 --> 00:38:48.788 You know, 00:38:49.427 --> 00:38:50.728 I'm going to go off script a little 00:38:50.748 --> 00:38:50.889 bit. 00:38:50.949 --> 00:38:52.188 Well, there is no script. 00:38:52.469 --> 00:38:54.110 I will just say this because I've seen 00:38:54.150 --> 00:38:55.311 it in you more than once. 00:38:56.210 --> 00:38:56.490 You know, 00:38:56.650 --> 00:38:58.331 one thing that I always admired from you 00:38:58.411 --> 00:39:02.514 when you would go to these events is 00:39:02.514 --> 00:39:04.654 – 00:39:02.673 --> 00:39:04.956 people with your notoriety usually go up 00:39:04.976 --> 00:39:08.061 there they do the presentation and then 00:39:08.601 --> 00:39:10.143 they're like casper the friendly ghost you 00:39:10.164 --> 00:39:12.586 don't see him anymore i noticed and i 00:39:12.626 --> 00:39:14.148 learned that from you and i i'd said 00:39:14.188 --> 00:39:15.431 it to my son before i said you 00:39:15.471 --> 00:39:17.233 notice man this dude's been up here 00:39:17.273 --> 00:39:18.273 talking all day 00:39:19.806 --> 00:39:21.827 on stage, and then he gets off stage, 00:39:21.967 --> 00:39:23.148 and then you're over here talking with 00:39:23.188 --> 00:39:24.028 people on the ground. 00:39:24.108 --> 00:39:25.369 So, I mean, 00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:26.750 that was one thing I've noticed from you 00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:28.251 that I haven't seen in a whole lot 00:39:28.291 --> 00:39:30.351 of people of your caliber. 00:39:31.112 --> 00:39:33.152 They usually – you don't see them there, 00:39:33.414 --> 00:39:35.094 and they just – you and Joel Salatin 00:39:35.134 --> 00:39:36.494 are pretty much the only ones I know. 00:39:37.074 --> 00:39:37.916 There's one more guy, 00:39:37.936 --> 00:39:38.856 but I'm not going to mention him. 00:39:40.097 --> 00:39:42.117 There's only three of you guys that have 00:39:42.157 --> 00:39:44.998 ever stuck around and are proactively out 00:39:45.018 --> 00:39:48.461 there trying to – 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.181 I've seen you do similar things just like 00:39:49.221 --> 00:39:49.380 that. 00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:50.121 You know, people, 00:39:50.981 --> 00:39:53.143 I think they almost certainly knew who you 00:39:53.202 --> 00:39:53.583 were, 00:39:53.983 --> 00:39:55.605 but you don't make yourself disappear at 00:39:55.625 --> 00:39:56.304 these things, man. 00:39:56.485 --> 00:39:58.025 I always wondered how did you do that? 00:39:58.045 --> 00:40:00.007 Because there's always that one guy that 00:40:00.027 --> 00:40:01.246 wears you down to a nub. 00:40:01.266 --> 00:40:03.708 How did you manage to do that? 00:40:03.849 --> 00:40:05.909 I have some techniques I use. 00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:06.989 The guy that wears me down to a 00:40:07.030 --> 00:40:07.250 nub, 00:40:07.329 --> 00:40:09.070 I always try to have somebody with me 00:40:09.472 --> 00:40:10.911 that I can kind of give a signal 00:40:10.972 --> 00:40:13.574 to that will somebody need you because 00:40:13.594 --> 00:40:15.554 there is those people that you just, 00:40:16.626 --> 00:40:17.690 you can't stop. 00:40:17.771 --> 00:40:19.396 And, and part of that is like, 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:21.804 it might not even be a person's annoying 00:40:21.844 --> 00:40:22.206 or whatever. 00:40:22.266 --> 00:40:22.827 It's just like, 00:40:24.601 --> 00:40:26.483 There's hundreds of people here. 00:40:26.503 --> 00:40:27.244 Right. 00:40:27.264 --> 00:40:28.704 If I spend eight hours with you, 00:40:28.744 --> 00:40:30.726 then I don't get to spend like a 00:40:30.766 --> 00:40:31.626 lot in your time. 00:40:32.407 --> 00:40:34.208 So having that kind of backup or like 00:40:34.228 --> 00:40:36.110 somebody will call you or somebody will 00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:36.869 come over and, hey, 00:40:36.889 --> 00:40:38.612 the event organizer needs you. 00:40:38.952 --> 00:40:40.313 And we just kind of have a prearranged 00:40:40.333 --> 00:40:40.992 signal like that. 00:40:41.032 --> 00:40:42.273 So I'm not going to say that never 00:40:42.313 --> 00:40:44.255 happens, but it's not that common. 00:40:44.275 --> 00:40:44.815 It's, you know, 00:40:44.835 --> 00:40:46.657 having once or twice at an event that's 00:40:46.677 --> 00:40:47.418 a multi-day event. 00:40:47.998 --> 00:40:49.420 But the other thing that I've always done 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.123 is if it's not like a hotel where 00:40:51.143 --> 00:40:51.884 I have a room, 00:40:52.505 --> 00:40:54.367 like when I do John's thing or whatever, 00:40:54.507 --> 00:40:57.050 like I need a place where I can 00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:57.911 go for ten minutes. 00:40:58.751 --> 00:41:00.132 Like with John, I got that spot upstairs. 00:41:00.431 --> 00:41:02.253 If I can cut out for ten minutes 00:41:02.333 --> 00:41:03.612 and just breathe, 00:41:04.112 --> 00:41:05.313 if my wife's not with me, 00:41:05.353 --> 00:41:06.054 give her a call. 00:41:06.074 --> 00:41:07.094 If my wife is with me, 00:41:07.134 --> 00:41:08.454 spend ten minutes with her, 00:41:09.213 --> 00:41:11.655 have a drink or a snack or something, 00:41:12.074 --> 00:41:13.795 check some email, zone out. 00:41:14.416 --> 00:41:15.416 I can go right back in and I 00:41:15.456 --> 00:41:16.295 can do it all day long. 00:41:16.976 --> 00:41:20.577 I can't do it all day long nonstop. 00:41:20.597 --> 00:41:22.817 When I first started and I was trying 00:41:22.836 --> 00:41:24.898 to build the notoriety that I have now, 00:41:25.858 --> 00:41:27.380 I would do it and I'd force myself 00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:27.641 through it. 00:41:27.681 --> 00:41:28.722 And all it did by the end of 00:41:28.742 --> 00:41:29.043 the day, 00:41:29.083 --> 00:41:31.224 then I started being nasty to people and 00:41:31.264 --> 00:41:33.327 like having to like, shut yourself, 00:41:34.289 --> 00:41:35.990 go have a final drink, go to bed. 00:41:36.570 --> 00:41:38.172 And what I learned over the years was 00:41:38.193 --> 00:41:40.856 just have those strategic breaks and then 00:41:40.896 --> 00:41:43.559 have that person that's there with you 00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:44.159 that can, um, 00:41:45.143 --> 00:41:46.744 shut that down because what will happen, 00:41:47.083 --> 00:41:48.045 usually if you get somebody that's really 00:41:48.065 --> 00:41:50.166 excited and you've done what you can to 00:41:50.186 --> 00:41:52.266 help them and they just aren't done yet. 00:41:52.306 --> 00:41:53.987 The last one I had was a person 00:41:54.007 --> 00:41:54.889 that, you know, 00:41:54.909 --> 00:41:56.168 she's going to get all this investment 00:41:56.208 --> 00:41:57.050 money to do this thing. 00:41:57.090 --> 00:41:58.331 And I won't explain it, 00:41:58.391 --> 00:41:59.291 but I just thought it was a really 00:41:59.331 --> 00:42:00.331 terrible idea. 00:42:00.411 --> 00:42:00.532 Yeah. 00:42:00.771 --> 00:42:02.833 and that you were going to possibly get 00:42:02.873 --> 00:42:03.893 the money and end up in debt for 00:42:03.914 --> 00:42:04.673 the rest of your life. 00:42:04.713 --> 00:42:06.094 And you didn't really know what you were 00:42:06.114 --> 00:42:06.414 doing. 00:42:07.014 --> 00:42:08.536 And it needed to be tested in a 00:42:08.615 --> 00:42:10.336 small modular thing first. 00:42:10.396 --> 00:42:11.737 And that's as much as I'll explain about 00:42:11.797 --> 00:42:11.878 it. 00:42:12.498 --> 00:42:13.498 And she wasn't going to accept that 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:13.898 answer. 00:42:13.978 --> 00:42:15.880 Well, I don't have another one, right? 00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:17.501 You're not by force of will going to 00:42:17.581 --> 00:42:18.382 get me to tell you, 00:42:18.742 --> 00:42:20.742 I agree with your dumb idea, right? 00:42:20.802 --> 00:42:22.224 So like that was a person where I 00:42:22.244 --> 00:42:24.385 had to kind of call in the third 00:42:24.425 --> 00:42:25.806 party to pull me out of it. 00:42:25.885 --> 00:42:29.146 But I feel like when we go do 00:42:29.186 --> 00:42:29.907 these things, Bill, 00:42:31.007 --> 00:42:32.467 if all we do is show up, 00:42:32.487 --> 00:42:33.507 throw up and leave, 00:42:34.608 --> 00:42:36.449 then the reason people come to these 00:42:36.489 --> 00:42:38.070 events is to meet people. 00:42:39.012 --> 00:42:40.713 And like, I'm going to go meet so-and-so. 00:42:40.793 --> 00:42:43.773 And the fact that even one person would 00:42:43.793 --> 00:42:45.155 feel that way about me is already a 00:42:45.195 --> 00:42:45.675 blessing. 00:42:46.496 --> 00:42:48.556 And then the thought that they would show 00:42:48.677 --> 00:42:51.378 up and they don't get to talk to 00:42:51.418 --> 00:42:51.998 me is 00:42:54.847 --> 00:42:56.507 That just like, 00:42:56.527 --> 00:42:58.588 so then everything I'm about is crap at 00:42:58.628 --> 00:42:59.989 that point if I haven't done that. 00:43:00.048 --> 00:43:01.530 Now, if I don't know, 00:43:01.590 --> 00:43:02.750 if you don't come up to me and 00:43:02.789 --> 00:43:04.070 talk to me and I'm making myself 00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:05.490 available, I can't control that. 00:43:05.530 --> 00:43:07.672 But what I can control is making sure 00:43:07.692 --> 00:43:10.431 I'm available to the people that spent 00:43:10.452 --> 00:43:11.753 their money and their time to come meet 00:43:11.793 --> 00:43:11.972 me. 00:43:12.793 --> 00:43:14.454 And I'd throw this out for anybody that 00:43:14.494 --> 00:43:15.893 might be listening that it's of that 00:43:15.974 --> 00:43:16.373 level. 00:43:17.193 --> 00:43:18.394 If you're not doing that when you go 00:43:18.414 --> 00:43:20.715 to events, what are you doing? 00:43:20.795 --> 00:43:21.635 What are you doing? 00:43:22.556 --> 00:43:22.757 Right. 00:43:22.797 --> 00:43:24.818 Like just I understand sometimes because 00:43:24.878 --> 00:43:26.260 like Joel really is good about it. 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.201 Like you mentioned Saladin, 00:43:27.601 --> 00:43:29.161 but I've seen him show up and leave. 00:43:29.202 --> 00:43:30.163 But, you know, 00:43:30.463 --> 00:43:32.103 it turned out later that like that's 00:43:32.123 --> 00:43:33.626 because that's all he could do. 00:43:33.746 --> 00:43:35.266 He could like I want you to come 00:43:35.306 --> 00:43:35.427 here. 00:43:35.447 --> 00:43:35.967 Well, I can, 00:43:35.987 --> 00:43:36.967 but I'm going to have to come in. 00:43:37.349 --> 00:43:38.228 You know, I'll talk. 00:43:38.469 --> 00:43:39.449 I'll be there for a couple hours and 00:43:39.469 --> 00:43:40.570 I have to go to this other thing 00:43:40.590 --> 00:43:41.472 I'm already committed to. 00:43:41.871 --> 00:43:43.472 But if he's available, he stays there. 00:43:43.492 --> 00:43:46.596 He's a great example and actually features 00:43:47.315 --> 00:43:49.057 in my book pretty heavily with a story 00:43:49.097 --> 00:43:50.619 I heard him tell at a event. 00:43:51.347 --> 00:43:52.389 No, I'm right there with you. 00:43:52.829 --> 00:43:54.110 It's just going to be that person. 00:43:54.751 --> 00:43:56.592 I can think of two in particular where 00:43:57.114 --> 00:43:58.135 I'm trying, like you said, 00:43:58.315 --> 00:43:59.416 I don't need to be going long. 00:43:59.536 --> 00:44:00.717 I just need to be in my own 00:44:00.777 --> 00:44:02.378 head for a little while and not speak 00:44:02.398 --> 00:44:03.500 and give my voice a break. 00:44:04.141 --> 00:44:05.021 But then when I say, hey, 00:44:05.081 --> 00:44:06.103 I got to run to the bathroom and 00:44:06.143 --> 00:44:07.563 he says, I'll go with you. 00:44:07.885 --> 00:44:09.005 I'm like, hold on, Jack. 00:44:09.485 --> 00:44:12.309 You got to slow down a little bit. 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.802 That has happened. 00:44:14.822 --> 00:44:16.501 Or out in the woods, you know, 00:44:16.581 --> 00:44:17.282 in John's place, 00:44:17.302 --> 00:44:19.422 I think the first time there wasn't a 00:44:19.483 --> 00:44:21.483 place to go kind of escape for a 00:44:21.543 --> 00:44:22.965 moment or two just to kind of collect 00:44:22.985 --> 00:44:23.425 yourself. 00:44:24.005 --> 00:44:25.746 So I went out in the woods and 00:44:25.766 --> 00:44:28.766 the backside of his property got way out 00:44:28.786 --> 00:44:30.146 there where nobody could find me. 00:44:30.547 --> 00:44:32.068 And I was like, OK, because, you know, 00:44:32.108 --> 00:44:32.847 as well as I do, 00:44:32.907 --> 00:44:35.108 you won't even have an opportunity to eat. 00:44:35.697 --> 00:44:36.496 You can't even, 00:44:36.697 --> 00:44:37.958 it's all you can do just to take 00:44:37.978 --> 00:44:39.099 a drink off the water bottle. 00:44:39.518 --> 00:44:41.659 I go out there and then I'm sitting 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.719 there minding my own business, 00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:44.221 trying to eat whatever it was I was 00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:44.501 eating. 00:44:45.161 --> 00:44:46.481 And then next thing I hear this rustling, 00:44:46.601 --> 00:44:47.422 oh, there you are. 00:44:47.443 --> 00:44:50.244 I'm like, oh, good night, man. 00:44:50.264 --> 00:44:52.284 Wasn't I clear what I was doing? 00:44:53.206 --> 00:44:53.626 When I did, 00:44:54.065 --> 00:44:56.306 when Diego Footer did Permaculture Voices, 00:44:56.726 --> 00:44:57.927 the first year I did that, 00:44:58.228 --> 00:45:00.168 I literally had a dude asking me, 00:45:00.248 --> 00:45:01.570 can I ask you a question? 00:45:02.809 --> 00:45:04.371 And I'm standing at a urinal. 00:45:05.869 --> 00:45:07.190 I'm like, not while I pee, man. 00:45:07.331 --> 00:45:09.311 I'm pretty easy, 00:45:09.371 --> 00:45:11.114 but I'm going to set this boundary. 00:45:14.396 --> 00:45:15.757 So the other side of that is, well, 00:45:15.777 --> 00:45:17.159 what if you went and no one cared? 00:45:18.755 --> 00:45:20.456 So I'm not going to complain about it. 00:45:20.516 --> 00:45:20.677 Right. 00:45:20.697 --> 00:45:21.898 I might make a joke about it or 00:45:21.918 --> 00:45:22.077 whatever. 00:45:22.097 --> 00:45:23.659 I'm not going to complain about it because 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.161 that would be bad if I went to 00:45:25.201 --> 00:45:27.001 an event and I was a speaker at 00:45:27.041 --> 00:45:27.483 the event. 00:45:27.563 --> 00:45:29.103 And not only when I got there, 00:45:29.164 --> 00:45:30.304 no one wanted to talk to me, 00:45:30.324 --> 00:45:32.527 but when I got done talking, 00:45:32.586 --> 00:45:33.867 nobody wanted to talk to me. 00:45:34.509 --> 00:45:35.349 I would feel like, well, 00:45:35.369 --> 00:45:36.871 I must not be making a difference. 00:45:36.891 --> 00:45:38.052 So, you know, 00:45:39.213 --> 00:45:40.273 my takeaway from this for anybody 00:45:40.293 --> 00:45:40.574 listening, 00:45:40.594 --> 00:45:41.655 if you're ever at a thing where I'm 00:45:41.755 --> 00:45:42.456 at and you want to talk to me, 00:45:42.496 --> 00:45:43.137 come talk to me, 00:45:43.436 --> 00:45:44.117 but not while I pee. 00:45:44.838 --> 00:45:47.018 I think that's a reasonable boundary. 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.239 Or if I tell you, hey, man, 00:45:48.259 --> 00:45:48.980 I'll talk to you in a bit. 00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.119 I got to go do something. 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:51.940 You know, I might be at that. 00:45:52.521 --> 00:45:53.601 It might not have nothing to do with 00:45:53.641 --> 00:45:53.942 you. 00:45:54.822 --> 00:45:56.342 I might be at that moment where somebody 00:45:56.382 --> 00:45:57.922 just wore me out and I need five 00:45:57.963 --> 00:45:58.322 minutes. 00:45:58.402 --> 00:45:59.704 But I'll come back around. 00:45:59.744 --> 00:46:00.364 I will talk to you. 00:46:01.297 --> 00:46:02.077 Yeah, folks, 00:46:02.157 --> 00:46:03.358 I've seen it with my own two eyes. 00:46:03.398 --> 00:46:03.898 He does it. 00:46:03.958 --> 00:46:05.778 He's one of the few that actually do 00:46:05.798 --> 00:46:05.978 that. 00:46:06.018 --> 00:46:07.320 There's so many people that go to these 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.780 things, and because of their notoriety, 00:46:09.820 --> 00:46:11.780 they get out there, do their thing, 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:12.422 get off the stage, 00:46:12.442 --> 00:46:13.501 and then you don't see them again. 00:46:14.282 --> 00:46:16.143 And I've seen it with my own two 00:46:16.202 --> 00:46:16.362 eyes. 00:46:16.382 --> 00:46:19.905 Jack is very accessible and one of the 00:46:19.945 --> 00:46:21.565 most curious people you'll ever meet. 00:46:21.664 --> 00:46:23.885 So, Jack, I do want to ask you, 00:46:24.347 --> 00:46:25.746 between the first book and the second, 00:46:26.286 --> 00:46:30.329 of all these – 00:46:27.940 --> 00:46:29.322 I know there's a number of laws out 00:46:29.362 --> 00:46:32.204 there, but for you personally, 00:46:32.284 --> 00:46:34.244 which law would you say was the hardest 00:46:34.264 --> 00:46:39.168 for you to come by but thoroughly learned? 00:46:39.208 --> 00:46:41.530 So it would actually be from the first 00:46:41.630 --> 00:46:42.050 book. 00:46:43.271 --> 00:46:45.572 And it is to only take the advice 00:46:45.632 --> 00:46:47.875 of people who are proven competent in the 00:46:47.974 --> 00:46:49.596 area they're giving the advice in. 00:46:51.998 --> 00:46:53.579 And it's not because you don't know it. 00:46:54.590 --> 00:46:56.411 It's because especially as you're coming 00:46:56.472 --> 00:46:57.052 up in the world, 00:46:57.072 --> 00:46:58.311 you have all these things you want to 00:46:58.331 --> 00:46:58.632 do. 00:46:59.351 --> 00:47:01.572 And so when you spill out your idea 00:47:01.612 --> 00:47:03.134 to somebody that you want to do, 00:47:03.193 --> 00:47:03.693 and they're like, 00:47:03.773 --> 00:47:04.873 I don't think you should do it, 00:47:05.474 --> 00:47:06.474 or I don't think you should do it 00:47:06.494 --> 00:47:08.135 that way, you don't want to hear that. 00:47:08.934 --> 00:47:11.775 And if you're following that law, 00:47:12.215 --> 00:47:14.177 which totally comes out of Richest Man in 00:47:14.197 --> 00:47:15.878 Babylon, that's where I lifted it from. 00:47:16.378 --> 00:47:17.478 I would say that's where I've lifted the 00:47:17.577 --> 00:47:18.378 altered version from. 00:47:18.418 --> 00:47:19.818 So the genesis of that law is from 00:47:19.838 --> 00:47:20.338 my father. 00:47:21.092 --> 00:47:21.672 And he said, 00:47:21.851 --> 00:47:24.092 never take the advice of anybody on 00:47:24.172 --> 00:47:25.773 anything unless they're doing better than 00:47:25.793 --> 00:47:25.972 you. 00:47:27.153 --> 00:47:28.414 And as I got a little older, 00:47:28.434 --> 00:47:29.454 a little more temperance in me, 00:47:29.474 --> 00:47:31.355 I know that's kind of egotistical because 00:47:31.375 --> 00:47:32.315 what does that mean? 00:47:33.514 --> 00:47:34.235 Like, you know, 00:47:34.476 --> 00:47:35.835 are you a better podcaster than me? 00:47:35.896 --> 00:47:36.536 Maybe not. 00:47:36.556 --> 00:47:38.496 But if you're way better at writing and 00:47:38.516 --> 00:47:39.637 you give me advice on writing, 00:47:39.717 --> 00:47:40.637 I'm going to take that. 00:47:41.077 --> 00:47:44.097 So my version became only take the advice 00:47:44.137 --> 00:47:46.518 of people who are doing better at you 00:47:47.059 --> 00:47:48.438 in the thing they're giving you advice on. 00:47:48.498 --> 00:47:49.900 And then I eventually realized even that's 00:47:50.019 --> 00:47:50.420 arrogant. 00:47:51.054 --> 00:47:51.735 What does that mean? 00:47:51.815 --> 00:47:54.099 If somebody's competent, 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:56.123 even if you are in every measurable way 00:47:56.163 --> 00:47:58.347 succeeding beyond them, 00:47:58.367 --> 00:47:59.969 they can still know things you don't. 00:48:01.282 --> 00:48:01.583 In fact, 00:48:01.603 --> 00:48:03.384 one of the reasons old businesses get 00:48:03.403 --> 00:48:05.925 knocked off by new businesses is a new 00:48:06.226 --> 00:48:08.447 entrepreneur grabs everything that's 00:48:08.507 --> 00:48:10.128 available and throws everything at the 00:48:10.148 --> 00:48:11.768 wall to see what sticks from technology 00:48:11.789 --> 00:48:12.369 standpoint. 00:48:12.849 --> 00:48:14.231 And the person that's been around for 00:48:14.311 --> 00:48:16.492 eighteen years like me knows what's worked 00:48:16.532 --> 00:48:17.291 to get me there. 00:48:17.853 --> 00:48:19.353 And so something new comes along, 00:48:19.474 --> 00:48:20.454 I may not pick it up. 00:48:20.514 --> 00:48:22.375 I try not to be that person because 00:48:22.394 --> 00:48:24.155 of the curiosity thing that you noted 00:48:24.237 --> 00:48:24.597 earlier. 00:48:25.197 --> 00:48:26.978 But I would say that's the hardest one 00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:29.461 advice, not because you don't know it, 00:48:29.521 --> 00:48:32.306 but because if you follow the law, 00:48:32.445 --> 00:48:34.648 as soon as I identify that the person 00:48:34.748 --> 00:48:36.791 is competent in the area they're giving 00:48:36.831 --> 00:48:38.994 advice, now I have to listen to it. 00:48:39.608 --> 00:48:40.929 I don't have to follow it. 00:48:41.690 --> 00:48:44.614 But since now I've created that system 00:48:44.793 --> 00:48:45.574 overriding me, 00:48:46.195 --> 00:48:48.197 and let's say it's advice on business, 00:48:48.217 --> 00:48:49.420 and I'm talking to someone who's built 00:48:49.460 --> 00:48:50.902 multiple successful businesses. 00:48:51.521 --> 00:48:51.663 Well, 00:48:52.043 --> 00:48:53.425 even if I don't like what they're saying, 00:48:53.505 --> 00:48:54.847 I need to shut up and listen. 00:48:55.663 --> 00:48:57.083 And then they don't know what I know. 00:48:57.784 --> 00:48:59.105 They don't know my risk tolerance. 00:48:59.144 --> 00:49:01.786 They don't know all the other things that 00:49:01.826 --> 00:49:03.505 I've gathered on that initiative, 00:49:03.927 --> 00:49:06.068 but they know things and I need to 00:49:06.088 --> 00:49:07.108 at least listen to them. 00:49:07.648 --> 00:49:09.009 And I would also say of all the 00:49:09.048 --> 00:49:10.309 laws of all thirty two laws, 00:49:10.389 --> 00:49:11.510 if you learn that one, 00:49:11.769 --> 00:49:13.130 you'll learn the other thirty one by 00:49:13.231 --> 00:49:14.331 accident because sooner or later you're 00:49:14.351 --> 00:49:15.731 going to run along somebody that knows 00:49:16.092 --> 00:49:16.851 what to do there. 00:49:17.032 --> 00:49:17.311 Right. 00:49:17.713 --> 00:49:20.173 So finding people who are competent, 00:49:20.954 --> 00:49:22.755 seeking their advice and their guidance 00:49:23.315 --> 00:49:25.557 and then adapting it, not obeying it, 00:49:25.637 --> 00:49:27.099 adapting it to your life. 00:49:28.018 --> 00:49:28.519 Like, you know, 00:49:28.539 --> 00:49:31.222 you don't go obey in another human unless, 00:49:31.242 --> 00:49:32.583 you know, you have a contract with them. 00:49:32.603 --> 00:49:33.123 Like they say, 00:49:33.182 --> 00:49:34.403 do this job and you agree to do 00:49:34.463 --> 00:49:34.563 it. 00:49:34.603 --> 00:49:35.864 But when it comes to how you manage 00:49:35.885 --> 00:49:37.365 your life, you take their advice, 00:49:37.746 --> 00:49:39.987 you adapt it and you integrate it. 00:49:40.969 --> 00:49:42.090 And that is, 00:49:42.318 --> 00:49:43.278 The smarter you are, 00:49:43.298 --> 00:49:45.039 the harder that is to fully accept because 00:49:45.081 --> 00:49:46.561 sometimes you have to listen to people 00:49:46.641 --> 00:49:48.764 that legitimately maybe you have a higher 00:49:48.844 --> 00:49:49.384 IQ than them, 00:49:49.644 --> 00:49:51.827 but they're right because they know that 00:49:51.987 --> 00:49:53.248 one thing better than you do. 00:49:54.007 --> 00:49:55.829 And once you develop that humility, 00:49:57.251 --> 00:49:59.032 then you can become almost unstoppable 00:49:59.072 --> 00:50:00.353 because I promise you, 00:50:00.855 --> 00:50:02.635 if you're willing to be humble and seek 00:50:02.735 --> 00:50:04.458 out someone who knows something you don't, 00:50:04.878 --> 00:50:05.978 there's somebody that knows that thing 00:50:05.998 --> 00:50:06.739 that's willing to talk to you. 00:50:07.641 --> 00:50:10.103 And that advice is generally free and you 00:50:10.143 --> 00:50:11.443 probably don't need it from somebody 00:50:11.463 --> 00:50:14.224 that's an influencer or well-known. 00:50:14.463 --> 00:50:15.905 All you need is someone that's proven 00:50:15.965 --> 00:50:17.304 competent in that space. 00:50:17.945 --> 00:50:19.266 And the other dangerous thing, 00:50:19.985 --> 00:50:21.887 we have this thing called the halo effect. 00:50:21.927 --> 00:50:22.286 And that's just, 00:50:22.347 --> 00:50:23.708 I've gotten a more in the neuroscience 00:50:23.728 --> 00:50:26.389 behind this understanding that like if, 00:50:26.568 --> 00:50:28.889 if Billy Bond is really smart at 00:50:28.929 --> 00:50:29.769 permaculture, 00:50:30.269 --> 00:50:32.231 That doesn't mean that he's really smart 00:50:32.311 --> 00:50:36.755 at programming algorithms for artificial 00:50:36.795 --> 00:50:37.416 intelligence. 00:50:38.097 --> 00:50:39.898 Those two things are not the same thing. 00:50:39.938 --> 00:50:41.420 So what we tend to do in our 00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:42.940 lives is we find people that are really 00:50:43.041 --> 00:50:43.561 smart. 00:50:44.121 --> 00:50:45.603 We ask them for advice about things we 00:50:45.682 --> 00:50:46.804 actually know they don't know anything 00:50:46.824 --> 00:50:47.125 about. 00:50:48.085 --> 00:50:50.306 Because if they say, go for it, 00:50:50.688 --> 00:50:51.728 then we can tell the rest of our 00:50:51.768 --> 00:50:52.909 friends and family, hey, 00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:54.170 Uncle Dan said to do it. 00:50:54.490 --> 00:50:55.331 He's a genius. 00:50:55.972 --> 00:50:57.452 But maybe Uncle Dan's an aerospace 00:50:57.512 --> 00:50:57.833 engineer. 00:50:58.972 --> 00:51:00.193 And maybe he's a really great one, 00:51:01.414 --> 00:51:02.536 but you want to go into the real 00:51:02.556 --> 00:51:03.197 estate business. 00:51:03.237 --> 00:51:04.257 He doesn't know anything about real 00:51:04.277 --> 00:51:04.597 estate. 00:51:05.179 --> 00:51:07.121 So that halo effect can really hurt us. 00:51:07.521 --> 00:51:09.762 It's not about just seeking the advice of 00:51:09.802 --> 00:51:10.804 people who are smart, 00:51:11.385 --> 00:51:13.166 but have competence in the area. 00:51:14.226 --> 00:51:15.668 That's one of the most difficult things to 00:51:15.708 --> 00:51:16.009 accept. 00:51:16.690 --> 00:51:18.231 You know, I couldn't agree more there. 00:51:18.731 --> 00:51:18.911 You know, 00:51:18.931 --> 00:51:20.132 I got a doctor in my family. 00:51:20.152 --> 00:51:22.114 He's very well known. 00:51:23.235 --> 00:51:23.835 Highly. 00:51:23.894 --> 00:51:25.695 He's got more degrees in a thermometer, 00:51:26.717 --> 00:51:28.918 but has no common sense when it comes 00:51:28.938 --> 00:51:30.219 to Jack, you know, 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:30.860 as well as I do. 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:32.641 Would you ever put is there a situation 00:51:32.661 --> 00:51:35.163 where you would ever put layers in zone 00:51:35.182 --> 00:51:37.364 five in a permaculture system? 00:51:39.730 --> 00:51:41.990 no no you put the wires there right 00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:43.472 you know you're pretty darn you seem 00:51:43.512 --> 00:51:45.932 pretty competent as a doctor but this same 00:51:45.972 --> 00:51:49.315 doctor was putting his his chickens in 00:51:49.394 --> 00:51:50.695 zone five and then wondering why the 00:51:50.715 --> 00:51:53.436 coyotes are killing them down in texas and 00:51:53.456 --> 00:51:55.518 he's doing everything backwards so where 00:51:55.538 --> 00:51:57.880 they live there you go it's 00:51:59.346 --> 00:52:00.387 But it goes right back to what you 00:52:00.427 --> 00:52:00.666 said. 00:52:00.706 --> 00:52:00.887 I mean, 00:52:00.927 --> 00:52:02.469 you may be an authority in this one 00:52:02.509 --> 00:52:03.389 thing, but like you said, 00:52:03.409 --> 00:52:05.972 you may be a walking nincompoop concerning 00:52:06.052 --> 00:52:06.552 other things. 00:52:08.193 --> 00:52:09.574 Let me hit you on this other chapter 00:52:09.755 --> 00:52:11.717 before we come down to a close here. 00:52:11.737 --> 00:52:13.538 But I really love this one. 00:52:13.557 --> 00:52:14.719 That's why I can't wait to read the 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:15.119 book. 00:52:15.380 --> 00:52:16.780 And we're going to find out from Jack 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:17.541 here in a moment, folks, 00:52:17.561 --> 00:52:18.262 where you can find it. 00:52:18.963 --> 00:52:19.923 But I love this one more, 00:52:19.943 --> 00:52:21.925 but I'd love you to dig into it 00:52:21.945 --> 00:52:23.306 a little bit because I know this to 00:52:23.347 --> 00:52:25.128 be axiomatically true, 00:52:25.548 --> 00:52:27.250 that success comes from effort, 00:52:27.349 --> 00:52:29.851 and once it starts, it compounds. 00:52:30.472 --> 00:52:31.793 So, I mean, this is, 00:52:32.695 --> 00:52:33.735 I often say that a war, 00:52:33.835 --> 00:52:35.117 you don't win a war in miles, 00:52:35.157 --> 00:52:36.177 you win it in inches. 00:52:36.657 --> 00:52:38.039 But there are points when you're at a 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:38.880 war for a while, 00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:40.862 you can advance more than a few inches 00:52:40.902 --> 00:52:41.302 at a time. 00:52:41.322 --> 00:52:42.202 You might get feet. 00:52:42.802 --> 00:52:44.025 But yeah, break that one down for us, 00:52:44.045 --> 00:52:44.284 Jack. 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.101 Sure. 00:52:45.121 --> 00:52:46.422 And this is great because it actually lets 00:52:46.442 --> 00:52:47.621 me go back to that conference. 00:52:47.681 --> 00:52:49.063 I was talking about Joel selling that. 00:52:49.963 --> 00:52:53.945 So I was speaking at Free State, 00:52:55.125 --> 00:52:56.005 the Free State Projects. 00:52:56.905 --> 00:52:58.065 I can't remember what they call it now, 00:52:58.085 --> 00:52:59.527 the winter thing they do every year. 00:52:59.887 --> 00:53:02.007 And Joel was there speaking as well. 00:53:02.027 --> 00:53:04.949 And he talked about how when he was 00:53:04.989 --> 00:53:07.190 very early on in his career as a 00:53:07.210 --> 00:53:08.731 farmer, he had just taken over the land. 00:53:10.164 --> 00:53:11.746 their car died. 00:53:11.945 --> 00:53:14.467 And this was like a terminal disease, 00:53:15.027 --> 00:53:15.989 not fixing the car. 00:53:16.228 --> 00:53:17.568 And they have no vehicle. 00:53:18.530 --> 00:53:19.831 And Joel's a tough dude, man. 00:53:19.851 --> 00:53:20.731 He's a really nice guy, 00:53:20.751 --> 00:53:22.192 but he's a tough farmer, you know. 00:53:22.992 --> 00:53:24.673 And his voice cracked a little bit as 00:53:24.693 --> 00:53:25.594 he's telling this story. 00:53:25.614 --> 00:53:27.175 And he's talking about how this one day, 00:53:27.815 --> 00:53:28.956 he just doesn't know what they're going to 00:53:28.996 --> 00:53:29.277 do. 00:53:29.336 --> 00:53:31.538 And here comes two cars driving out to 00:53:31.577 --> 00:53:32.237 his place. 00:53:32.318 --> 00:53:33.298 And one's kind of an older, 00:53:33.338 --> 00:53:34.420 beat up old Cadillac. 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:36.721 Guy gets out of the Cadillac, 00:53:36.740 --> 00:53:38.222 walks up to him, hands him the keys. 00:53:39.402 --> 00:53:40.704 says, I don't need this car anymore. 00:53:40.724 --> 00:53:41.605 I heard you need a car. 00:53:41.704 --> 00:53:42.346 Take the car. 00:53:43.626 --> 00:53:45.548 And Joel's like, bro, 00:53:45.909 --> 00:53:47.271 I don't take things for nothing. 00:53:47.451 --> 00:53:48.853 Guy says, look, I don't need the car. 00:53:49.353 --> 00:53:50.534 It's not worth very much. 00:53:51.255 --> 00:53:53.097 I don't need money and I don't need 00:53:53.137 --> 00:53:53.577 the car. 00:53:54.057 --> 00:53:55.519 I need to buy what you're producing. 00:53:56.721 --> 00:53:57.722 And if you can't produce it, 00:53:57.762 --> 00:53:58.442 I can't buy it. 00:53:59.302 --> 00:54:01.324 So this is more important to me 00:54:02.096 --> 00:54:03.275 than the few hundred bucks I get for 00:54:03.295 --> 00:54:04.077 this piece of crap car. 00:54:04.637 --> 00:54:05.097 For you, 00:54:05.117 --> 00:54:06.436 this car is how you keep doing your 00:54:06.476 --> 00:54:06.916 business. 00:54:07.277 --> 00:54:08.318 I won't take no for an answer. 00:54:08.338 --> 00:54:09.557 He just turned around, walked away, 00:54:09.597 --> 00:54:12.239 got another car and left. 00:54:12.259 --> 00:54:13.699 He said they're holding the keys, right? 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.519 There's kind of no way to turn that 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:15.920 down. 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:18.039 And he took that, you know, 00:54:18.101 --> 00:54:20.440 and he might not have been standing on 00:54:20.481 --> 00:54:21.961 that stage of that day to tell that 00:54:22.001 --> 00:54:23.262 story if that story didn't happen. 00:54:24.451 --> 00:54:25.192 Now, ironically, 00:54:25.211 --> 00:54:26.472 and I tell this story in the book, 00:54:26.512 --> 00:54:26.833 too, 00:54:27.534 --> 00:54:29.356 I ended up in a similar short-term 00:54:29.416 --> 00:54:29.876 situation. 00:54:29.896 --> 00:54:31.498 When I first came down here to Texas, 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:34.461 I threw a timing belt on six-thirty-five. 00:54:34.521 --> 00:54:36.083 Now, you know Dallas-Fort Worth. 00:54:36.505 --> 00:54:37.965 Six-thirty-five at rush hour? 00:54:38.347 --> 00:54:40.849 Not the place you want that to happen. 00:54:40.949 --> 00:54:43.833 I'm in lane two, slightly uphill grade. 00:54:45.153 --> 00:54:45.974 No timing belt. 00:54:46.014 --> 00:54:46.835 Car don't go. 00:54:48.056 --> 00:54:48.817 You're a mechanic. 00:54:48.836 --> 00:54:49.277 Fix it. 00:54:49.597 --> 00:54:50.918 Not without a timing belt and a set 00:54:50.938 --> 00:54:51.418 of tools. 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:52.820 That's not happening. 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:53.820 It's not going. 00:54:54.382 --> 00:54:56.403 I start pushing this car uphill. 00:54:57.344 --> 00:54:59.045 I got people flying by me blowing the 00:54:59.065 --> 00:54:59.385 horn. 00:54:59.786 --> 00:55:00.306 Wow. 00:55:00.806 --> 00:55:01.427 I'm thinking, 00:55:01.987 --> 00:55:03.108 what do y'all want me to do? 00:55:03.148 --> 00:55:04.369 Break into a sprint? 00:55:04.409 --> 00:55:06.632 I'm pushing a car by myself uphill. 00:55:06.992 --> 00:55:09.054 Some redneck in a big-ass truck with big 00:55:09.094 --> 00:55:10.936 push bars pulls up behind me. 00:55:10.976 --> 00:55:11.436 Get in. 00:55:11.496 --> 00:55:12.137 I'll push you. 00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:13.780 Hell yeah, 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:14.681 I'm going to get in and he's going 00:55:14.701 --> 00:55:15.061 to push me. 00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:15.862 He pushes me. 00:55:15.882 --> 00:55:16.362 He gets out. 00:55:16.402 --> 00:55:18.043 This is about ninety three. 00:55:18.844 --> 00:55:20.085 He's got a cell phone, 00:55:20.284 --> 00:55:21.304 one of the bricks. 00:55:21.786 --> 00:55:23.387 So it's probably going to cost him three 00:55:23.407 --> 00:55:24.588 bucks for me to make a two minute 00:55:24.608 --> 00:55:25.588 phone call at the time. 00:55:25.608 --> 00:55:27.650 He could make a call. 00:55:28.309 --> 00:55:29.351 So I call my buddy, 00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:30.431 tell him where I'm at. 00:55:30.471 --> 00:55:32.253 He said, I give him this guy leaves. 00:55:32.672 --> 00:55:33.534 Why do you stop? 00:55:35.114 --> 00:55:36.454 If I'd sit sat on the back of 00:55:36.494 --> 00:55:37.856 the truck, a trunk of the car, 00:55:37.896 --> 00:55:38.697 he wouldn't stop. 00:55:40.164 --> 00:55:42.865 The fact that I was in motion trying 00:55:43.007 --> 00:55:43.907 is why he stopped. 00:55:44.467 --> 00:55:46.108 And I can tell you that in every 00:55:46.268 --> 00:55:48.869 point in my life that someone came along 00:55:49.170 --> 00:55:51.231 and said, here, let me help you. 00:55:51.710 --> 00:55:52.911 I was actively doing so. 00:55:54.422 --> 00:55:56.043 And I'd never had it happen when I 00:55:56.063 --> 00:55:57.945 was sitting around having a pity party for 00:55:57.965 --> 00:55:58.304 myself. 00:55:58.344 --> 00:55:59.346 And I'm not going to say that never 00:55:59.385 --> 00:55:59.606 happened. 00:55:59.626 --> 00:56:01.887 In fact, this microphone right here, 00:56:01.927 --> 00:56:03.608 Billy, I need to get rid of it. 00:56:04.028 --> 00:56:05.088 I won't throw it away even though it's 00:56:05.128 --> 00:56:06.070 not working right anymore. 00:56:06.630 --> 00:56:09.572 This microphone came to me in two thousand 00:56:09.652 --> 00:56:13.034 ten when I started recording from a studio 00:56:13.074 --> 00:56:14.775 because the first microphone I bought 00:56:14.894 --> 00:56:15.376 sucked. 00:56:15.835 --> 00:56:17.336 And the guy that was an audio engineer 00:56:17.356 --> 00:56:19.918 sent me this microphone and he said, 00:56:19.998 --> 00:56:21.378 I want your show to be better. 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:23.380 Now, if I'm not doing the show, 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.061 that doesn't happen. 00:56:25.269 --> 00:56:26.951 And I'm going to tell you that there's 00:56:26.971 --> 00:56:28.911 so many people out there that have so 00:56:28.952 --> 00:56:29.831 much potential. 00:56:30.411 --> 00:56:32.032 And I hear this all the time about, 00:56:32.072 --> 00:56:33.833 you know, no one cares, no one helps, 00:56:33.914 --> 00:56:34.833 no one offers, whatever. 00:56:36.034 --> 00:56:39.476 You will find help in abundance in tiny 00:56:39.516 --> 00:56:43.117 pieces along the way when you get in 00:56:43.217 --> 00:56:43.777 motion. 00:56:44.518 --> 00:56:45.398 And getting in motion, 00:56:45.458 --> 00:56:48.280 I think we've so formulated the mind of 00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:50.981 the youth to motion is go to school, 00:56:51.001 --> 00:56:52.262 do what the teacher says, go to work, 00:56:52.282 --> 00:56:53.181 do what the boss says. 00:56:54.208 --> 00:56:55.630 That's not what I'm talking about. 00:56:55.650 --> 00:56:58.190 There's a place for that, too. 00:56:58.210 --> 00:56:59.851 But what I'm saying about getting ahead in 00:56:59.951 --> 00:57:01.992 life is, well, I'll put it this way. 00:57:02.831 --> 00:57:04.193 What is the answer you'll think you get 00:57:04.213 --> 00:57:05.253 from the average person? 00:57:06.032 --> 00:57:07.054 And I'm not going to pick on you 00:57:07.114 --> 00:57:07.293 here. 00:57:07.414 --> 00:57:09.293 It could be fifty that they have this 00:57:09.353 --> 00:57:10.875 wild thing they want in their life, 00:57:10.894 --> 00:57:11.655 that thing they want to do, 00:57:11.675 --> 00:57:12.735 this big dream. 00:57:13.596 --> 00:57:14.956 And they claim there's things in the way 00:57:14.996 --> 00:57:15.277 of it. 00:57:16.376 --> 00:57:16.876 And you say, 00:57:16.956 --> 00:57:19.297 tell me three things you've done this week 00:57:20.597 --> 00:57:21.679 to further that goal. 00:57:23.166 --> 00:57:24.146 Most of them are going to tell you 00:57:24.166 --> 00:57:25.146 what, if they're honest? 00:57:25.867 --> 00:57:26.188 Nothing. 00:57:26.628 --> 00:57:27.027 Nothing. 00:57:27.867 --> 00:57:29.987 So this thing's so all important in your 00:57:30.027 --> 00:57:30.288 life. 00:57:30.307 --> 00:57:32.268 And if the government wasn't there or the 00:57:32.309 --> 00:57:34.188 man wasn't in your way or you had 00:57:34.228 --> 00:57:35.588 more money or whatever it was, 00:57:35.909 --> 00:57:36.969 you'd be doing this thing. 00:57:37.670 --> 00:57:40.130 But you've done the sum total of square 00:57:40.150 --> 00:57:42.090 root of F all this week. 00:57:42.309 --> 00:57:43.690 So how important is it to you really? 00:57:44.891 --> 00:57:46.271 And it might be very important to you, 00:57:46.311 --> 00:57:47.690 but how can anybody tell? 00:57:48.590 --> 00:57:51.711 But when you start making progress, 00:57:52.782 --> 00:57:53.963 Two things are going to happen. 00:57:54.123 --> 00:57:55.563 One, people are going to help you. 00:57:55.903 --> 00:57:57.204 And then there's another law in the book. 00:57:57.786 --> 00:57:58.706 People are going to tell you to go 00:57:58.726 --> 00:57:59.086 to hell. 00:58:00.027 --> 00:58:01.969 When you actually start making progress, 00:58:01.989 --> 00:58:03.110 you're going to get pushback. 00:58:04.030 --> 00:58:05.331 And when you get pushback, 00:58:05.891 --> 00:58:08.034 most people then kind of get really upset 00:58:08.074 --> 00:58:08.554 about that. 00:58:09.135 --> 00:58:09.574 Don't. 00:58:10.436 --> 00:58:11.956 Who's ever made a difference in the world 00:58:11.976 --> 00:58:12.856 that didn't get pushback? 00:58:13.277 --> 00:58:14.579 Who ever made a difference in the world, 00:58:14.619 --> 00:58:15.739 Billy, that didn't get haters? 00:58:16.791 --> 00:58:18.773 I leave this laundry list of people in 00:58:18.813 --> 00:58:20.175 the book in that chapter. 00:58:20.695 --> 00:58:22.677 And it's like people like Steve Jobs, 00:58:22.998 --> 00:58:25.179 Mahatma Gandhi, Thomas Edison, 00:58:25.579 --> 00:58:28.943 Nikola Tesla, Elon Musk, Henry Ford, 00:58:28.963 --> 00:58:29.242 right? 00:58:29.704 --> 00:58:30.885 And at the end of that list, 00:58:30.925 --> 00:58:31.164 I'm like, 00:58:31.184 --> 00:58:32.746 I guarantee you there's at least one name 00:58:32.786 --> 00:58:33.827 on that list you hate. 00:58:35.389 --> 00:58:36.710 And that proves my point. 00:58:37.309 --> 00:58:38.510 You might not even know why you hate 00:58:38.530 --> 00:58:38.791 him. 00:58:38.891 --> 00:58:39.813 Gandhi's got haters. 00:58:39.833 --> 00:58:41.014 Man's been dead since the fifties. 00:58:42.509 --> 00:58:42.809 Right. 00:58:43.268 --> 00:58:45.150 How much of an effect on your life 00:58:45.170 --> 00:58:46.610 can a man that's been dead since nineteen 00:58:46.650 --> 00:58:49.070 fifty two, I think, have not much, 00:58:49.150 --> 00:58:50.291 but people still hate the guy. 00:58:50.931 --> 00:58:52.271 There's in that chapter, I tell a story, 00:58:52.291 --> 00:58:52.672 this lady, 00:58:52.692 --> 00:58:53.632 I don't even know what her name is 00:58:53.672 --> 00:58:54.612 or her handle. 00:58:55.032 --> 00:58:56.333 I was on TikTok one day. 00:58:57.514 --> 00:58:58.393 And I always like, 00:58:58.574 --> 00:59:00.534 what are people doing that's successful? 00:59:00.954 --> 00:59:01.894 I find this lady, 00:59:01.934 --> 00:59:03.916 she's kind of like never really see her 00:59:03.956 --> 00:59:04.175 face. 00:59:04.195 --> 00:59:04.896 She's kind of see her hair. 00:59:04.916 --> 00:59:06.135 You can tell she's probably like a forty 00:59:06.195 --> 00:59:07.356 something soccer ball. 00:59:08.336 --> 00:59:09.958 And she has this channel and all she 00:59:09.978 --> 00:59:11.057 does is tumble rocks. 00:59:12.061 --> 00:59:14.242 like courts and felt spar and tiger's eye 00:59:14.262 --> 00:59:14.983 and stuff like that. 00:59:15.003 --> 00:59:16.423 She puts it in a little, you know, 00:59:16.443 --> 00:59:18.143 a little spinny thing and spins it and 00:59:18.563 --> 00:59:19.045 ask people, 00:59:19.065 --> 00:59:21.264 but three quarters of a million followers. 00:59:21.985 --> 00:59:22.346 Wow. 00:59:22.706 --> 00:59:22.865 Now, 00:59:22.965 --> 00:59:26.007 how can you hate a nice middle-aged soccer 00:59:26.047 --> 00:59:28.887 mom lady whose main people that follow her 00:59:28.907 --> 00:59:31.289 are like homeschool moms and grandparents 00:59:31.309 --> 00:59:32.210 doing stuff with their kids? 00:59:32.909 --> 00:59:33.949 Lady has haters, bro. 00:59:34.869 --> 00:59:35.690 She has haters. 00:59:36.411 --> 00:59:37.891 And that's because she's making a 00:59:37.931 --> 00:59:38.331 difference. 00:59:38.371 --> 00:59:39.311 And this is when you talk about, 00:59:39.351 --> 00:59:40.713 you don't understand why we get pushback 00:59:40.753 --> 00:59:41.333 in some levels. 00:59:42.911 --> 00:59:45.612 When you begin to make a difference and 00:59:45.652 --> 00:59:47.032 a person sees that, 00:59:47.112 --> 00:59:49.054 that is change and change is always 00:59:49.094 --> 00:59:49.673 resisted. 00:59:50.454 --> 00:59:52.655 And in some ways it's worse than like, 00:59:52.755 --> 00:59:54.135 I'm sure you've been in on team, 00:59:54.394 --> 00:59:55.976 you're working in the office and they hire 00:59:55.996 --> 00:59:57.996 a new boss from outside. 00:59:58.556 --> 01:00:00.077 Guy comes in, changes everything. 01:00:00.177 --> 01:00:01.097 Everybody resists it. 01:00:01.117 --> 01:00:01.317 Nobody, 01:00:01.617 --> 01:00:02.958 even if what he does is what you 01:00:02.978 --> 01:00:03.458 would do, 01:00:04.458 --> 01:00:06.059 you don't like it because you kind of 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:07.378 found your groove and 01:00:08.389 --> 01:00:09.731 And you learn to work that system and 01:00:09.751 --> 01:00:11.092 now it's all being disrupted. 01:00:11.112 --> 01:00:12.271 But that's exactly what that person is 01:00:12.291 --> 01:00:13.353 supposed to do. 01:00:13.393 --> 01:00:15.094 But in this instance where you got this 01:00:15.213 --> 01:00:15.653 lady, 01:00:15.793 --> 01:00:18.536 she's having this amazing success doing 01:00:18.576 --> 01:00:19.657 something so simple. 01:00:20.577 --> 01:00:22.398 The person who's bitter is going, 01:00:22.958 --> 01:00:23.978 they don't think about it this way, 01:00:23.998 --> 01:00:25.139 but they're really saying internally is, 01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:26.300 well, why don't I have that? 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.601 Well, 01:00:28.621 --> 01:00:30.083 the Chinese people that run TikTok must 01:00:30.103 --> 01:00:31.764 have made her a success, right? 01:00:32.244 --> 01:00:33.824 Maybe she's just really a really bubbly, 01:00:33.844 --> 01:00:35.847 nice person who came up with a unique 01:00:35.887 --> 01:00:37.588 niche and just kept doing something until 01:00:37.608 --> 01:00:38.027 it worked. 01:00:39.650 --> 01:00:41.251 And it's very hard for people to accept 01:00:41.271 --> 01:00:42.351 that. 01:00:42.431 --> 01:00:44.193 And so I think those two go really 01:00:44.454 --> 01:00:46.114 well together, those two laws. 01:00:47.115 --> 01:00:47.596 Jack, 01:00:47.655 --> 01:00:48.717 I want to ask you one more thing 01:00:48.737 --> 01:00:50.677 because you just opened up a whole other 01:00:50.737 --> 01:00:51.858 can of worms in my head. 01:00:51.878 --> 01:00:53.059 What do you say to those people out 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:53.400 there? 01:00:54.981 --> 01:00:57.083 My family put the funk in dysfunctional. 01:00:57.282 --> 01:01:00.445 So I'm asking this from that perspective. 01:01:01.965 --> 01:01:03.007 What do you say to those people out 01:01:03.027 --> 01:01:04.527 there on the heels of what you just 01:01:04.547 --> 01:01:05.068 said there that 01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:09.452 Where your biggest detractors are often 01:01:10.012 --> 01:01:11.393 the people that are supposed to love you 01:01:11.454 --> 01:01:11.815 most. 01:01:12.934 --> 01:01:14.096 I don't know if you've ever been through 01:01:14.115 --> 01:01:15.297 that, but I certainly have. 01:01:15.416 --> 01:01:17.619 It's like, man, I'm out here, you know, 01:01:17.759 --> 01:01:19.500 I'm the son of convicted felons. 01:01:19.541 --> 01:01:21.641 And here I am knocking it out of 01:01:21.661 --> 01:01:22.762 the park when, you know, 01:01:22.802 --> 01:01:24.463 the highest expectation for me was 01:01:24.523 --> 01:01:26.565 probably washing dishes and sing, sing. 01:01:27.065 --> 01:01:27.626 So, um, 01:01:28.067 --> 01:01:29.646 The fact that I'm doing something other, 01:01:29.786 --> 01:01:31.628 it's funny the amount of hate that you'll 01:01:31.668 --> 01:01:31.827 get. 01:01:31.867 --> 01:01:33.387 But other people have written to me, 01:01:33.427 --> 01:01:34.768 but what advice would you give to those 01:01:34.807 --> 01:01:35.027 people? 01:01:35.068 --> 01:01:36.387 Because honestly, 01:01:36.487 --> 01:01:37.789 just because a family doesn't make them 01:01:37.829 --> 01:01:38.409 good for you, 01:01:38.809 --> 01:01:40.509 which means I keep my distance. 01:01:41.009 --> 01:01:42.309 I don't go to family functions. 01:01:42.349 --> 01:01:43.530 I don't do any of that stuff. 01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:44.210 If you're not going, 01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:45.929 we're not walking in the same direction. 01:01:46.389 --> 01:01:47.630 I will limit my time with you. 01:01:47.670 --> 01:01:48.911 But what do you say to those people 01:01:49.391 --> 01:01:50.311 that may have, let's say, 01:01:50.331 --> 01:01:51.791 a husband who's a detractor, 01:01:51.971 --> 01:01:55.311 a wife that's a detractor, kids or uncles, 01:01:55.492 --> 01:01:56.192 aunts, whatever. 01:01:56.251 --> 01:01:57.311 What do you say to those people? 01:01:58.163 --> 01:02:00.804 So the law in the book is actually 01:02:00.824 --> 01:02:02.083 going to sound like it doesn't really 01:02:02.103 --> 01:02:03.525 apply to this, but it does. 01:02:03.545 --> 01:02:04.824 And I'm going to have to split this 01:02:04.865 --> 01:02:06.445 into two because there's two different 01:02:06.485 --> 01:02:07.525 ways this happens. 01:02:08.086 --> 01:02:10.628 But the law is don't fight fair fight 01:02:10.668 --> 01:02:11.148 to win. 01:02:12.307 --> 01:02:14.208 And that sounds like the dirty and cheat. 01:02:14.248 --> 01:02:16.050 And that whole chapter is on conflict 01:02:16.090 --> 01:02:16.610 resolution. 01:02:16.670 --> 01:02:17.809 It's probably the longest one in the book. 01:02:17.829 --> 01:02:19.050 It probably takes thirty five minutes to 01:02:19.070 --> 01:02:19.971 read just that chapter. 01:02:21.632 --> 01:02:23.612 And I do go through things like, well, 01:02:23.632 --> 01:02:24.992 what if somebody attacks you in a parking 01:02:25.032 --> 01:02:25.152 lot? 01:02:27.422 --> 01:02:28.742 They might get hurt really bad. 01:02:28.762 --> 01:02:29.782 I'll just leave it at that. 01:02:29.822 --> 01:02:32.204 But when that person is a parent, 01:02:33.445 --> 01:02:35.447 the overbearing parent that's telling you, 01:02:35.507 --> 01:02:40.010 hey, your job's okay for right now, 01:02:41.110 --> 01:02:43.672 but you need more stability in your life. 01:02:43.693 --> 01:02:44.753 And are you seeing anybody? 01:02:44.773 --> 01:02:45.934 The classic thing. 01:02:45.974 --> 01:02:48.014 But it's not what you were talking about. 01:02:48.074 --> 01:02:48.916 I want to kind of break it up 01:02:48.976 --> 01:02:50.697 because most people are dealing more with 01:02:51.538 --> 01:02:53.418 the detrimental side 01:02:54.184 --> 01:02:56.088 People are close to, you know, spouse, 01:02:56.568 --> 01:02:58.771 parents, siblings, friends. 01:02:59.733 --> 01:03:02.135 They mean well, but they're not helping. 01:03:02.735 --> 01:03:03.737 Right. 01:03:03.898 --> 01:03:05.400 If it's a parent, especially though, 01:03:06.161 --> 01:03:08.483 if you say something like you always talk 01:03:08.523 --> 01:03:10.246 to me like that or I'm grown up 01:03:10.286 --> 01:03:11.027 now or whatever. 01:03:11.516 --> 01:03:15.657 You've immediately disobeyed Sun Tzu and 01:03:15.697 --> 01:03:18.360 the art of war saying, no, the time, 01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:20.701 the place of battle, right? 01:03:21.061 --> 01:03:23.342 Because now you've chosen your childhood 01:03:23.362 --> 01:03:24.603 to argue with your parents over. 01:03:25.224 --> 01:03:26.264 Good effing luck. 01:03:27.105 --> 01:03:28.186 You're not winning that. 01:03:28.646 --> 01:03:29.847 You have no chance. 01:03:30.746 --> 01:03:31.728 And you've also said, 01:03:31.768 --> 01:03:32.688 treat me like a child. 01:03:33.628 --> 01:03:35.349 You invoked the time you were a child. 01:03:35.369 --> 01:03:35.769 Therefore, 01:03:35.829 --> 01:03:37.070 you've asked them to treat you like a 01:03:37.110 --> 01:03:37.291 child. 01:03:37.311 --> 01:03:38.092 Therefore, they're going to. 01:03:39.302 --> 01:03:40.945 When you're in that sort of situation, 01:03:40.965 --> 01:03:42.405 you need to conduct yourself like an 01:03:42.445 --> 01:03:42.706 adult. 01:03:42.746 --> 01:03:44.206 An adult doesn't say, 01:03:44.246 --> 01:03:45.347 treat me like an adult. 01:03:46.108 --> 01:03:49.070 Adults demand to be treated like adults by 01:03:49.291 --> 01:03:50.572 acting like adults. 01:03:51.271 --> 01:03:52.733 So when you respond to that parent and 01:03:52.753 --> 01:03:53.233 say, look, 01:03:54.114 --> 01:03:55.094 I understand what you're saying. 01:03:55.135 --> 01:03:56.076 I know where you're coming from, 01:03:56.755 --> 01:03:57.836 and I know it's a place of love. 01:03:58.938 --> 01:03:59.958 And maybe you can't see it, 01:03:59.998 --> 01:04:01.380 but I'm happy with what I'm doing right 01:04:01.420 --> 01:04:01.619 now. 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:02.820 I have a plan, 01:04:03.481 --> 01:04:04.422 and I want you to be proud of 01:04:04.442 --> 01:04:04.501 me. 01:04:05.697 --> 01:04:08.137 That's a hard thing to push back on 01:04:08.157 --> 01:04:08.978 your kid with. 01:04:09.759 --> 01:04:11.139 If one of my kids said that, 01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:14.322 I'm like, oh, all right. 01:04:14.442 --> 01:04:16.362 And so when I say don't fight fair, 01:04:16.422 --> 01:04:18.983 I mean don't agree to the rules that 01:04:19.003 --> 01:04:20.565 the other side never even agreed to. 01:04:21.164 --> 01:04:23.887 Don't come up with this false sense of 01:04:23.967 --> 01:04:26.467 obligation to engage in conflict that way. 01:04:26.807 --> 01:04:28.349 Now, what you're talking about, 01:04:29.188 --> 01:04:30.510 and this is when you were first asking 01:04:30.530 --> 01:04:31.951 this, some of you don't know, 01:04:31.990 --> 01:04:33.331 but apparently you do because we do have 01:04:33.371 --> 01:04:34.072 this similarity. 01:04:35.367 --> 01:04:37.088 my father's in a mental institution right 01:04:37.128 --> 01:04:37.347 now. 01:04:38.148 --> 01:04:40.128 My mother is still a drug addict and 01:04:40.148 --> 01:04:41.168 she's in her seventies, right? 01:04:42.929 --> 01:04:43.309 I mean, 01:04:44.070 --> 01:04:46.451 my two sisters are complete disasters and 01:04:46.471 --> 01:04:47.891 the rest of my family that were decent 01:04:47.911 --> 01:04:48.771 people are all dead. 01:04:49.992 --> 01:04:51.871 And I think there are times, 01:04:51.911 --> 01:04:53.233 and I hate saying this because I don't 01:04:53.253 --> 01:04:55.132 want to wish what I have or what 01:04:55.152 --> 01:04:56.193 you have on anyone. 01:04:56.934 --> 01:04:59.114 But the solution is I'm just not going 01:04:59.135 --> 01:04:59.715 to do that. 01:04:59.894 --> 01:05:00.175 I'm not. 01:05:00.275 --> 01:05:01.295 And when people say, well, 01:05:01.315 --> 01:05:02.755 they're still your mom or the senior dad, 01:05:03.695 --> 01:05:05.235 Bro, I know you feel that way, 01:05:05.295 --> 01:05:06.197 but I want you to think about the 01:05:06.277 --> 01:05:08.099 worst people you can think of in the 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.179 world that you don't know personally, 01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:10.981 but you know of, 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:12.621 like famous criminals or whatever. 01:05:12.641 --> 01:05:14.443 And those people are all somebody's 01:05:14.483 --> 01:05:18.186 brother, son, sister, mother, father. 01:05:19.228 --> 01:05:22.250 And if that happens to be your familiar 01:05:22.269 --> 01:05:22.971 relationship, 01:05:23.030 --> 01:05:25.313 you have to stay at double arm's length. 01:05:26.273 --> 01:05:27.293 And then you have to like, 01:05:29.655 --> 01:05:30.998 I still try to put temperance in that. 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.023 If you can have a relationship that's not 01:05:34.043 --> 01:05:35.005 going to drag you down, 01:05:35.045 --> 01:05:35.706 you should do it. 01:05:36.188 --> 01:05:37.148 But if you can't, 01:05:37.630 --> 01:05:38.711 then you're better off without the 01:05:38.751 --> 01:05:39.554 relationship. 01:05:39.594 --> 01:05:42.117 And I know that sounds really hard and 01:05:42.177 --> 01:05:42.920 really harsh. 01:05:43.956 --> 01:05:47.117 But you get one life to live in 01:05:47.237 --> 01:05:48.177 this continuum. 01:05:48.677 --> 01:05:50.599 We can debate what happens after we die. 01:05:50.659 --> 01:05:52.500 Some people believe in a simplistic 01:05:53.001 --> 01:05:53.501 version. 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:55.902 Some people believe in more of a religious 01:05:55.942 --> 01:05:56.202 version. 01:05:56.262 --> 01:05:57.643 Some believe in reincarnation. 01:05:57.682 --> 01:05:59.184 Some believe it's gone. 01:05:59.463 --> 01:06:00.764 I don't care what it is. 01:06:01.344 --> 01:06:04.525 For this path, for this pass, 01:06:04.885 --> 01:06:05.626 you get one. 01:06:06.485 --> 01:06:08.487 And you have to guard that and protect 01:06:08.527 --> 01:06:11.608 that because the last law in the second 01:06:11.648 --> 01:06:13.429 book is make the most of your dash. 01:06:14.110 --> 01:06:15.731 And you can't make the most of your 01:06:15.771 --> 01:06:17.713 dash trying to drag somebody along and 01:06:17.753 --> 01:06:19.094 breathe for them and make them live the 01:06:19.135 --> 01:06:20.476 best of their own dash. 01:06:21.516 --> 01:06:23.157 And the big thing with that one, Billy, 01:06:23.177 --> 01:06:25.418 is it doesn't say a really good use 01:06:25.518 --> 01:06:27.340 of, right? 01:06:27.561 --> 01:06:28.722 It's the most. 01:06:30.117 --> 01:06:32.179 You need to make the most of what 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.882 the blessing you have been given as in 01:06:35.943 --> 01:06:36.563 front of you. 01:06:37.304 --> 01:06:38.346 That is unwritten, 01:06:38.385 --> 01:06:39.867 and that is up to you to write 01:06:39.907 --> 01:06:40.128 that. 01:06:40.827 --> 01:06:42.309 And if you have people in your life 01:06:42.329 --> 01:06:44.391 that are literally pulling you off that 01:06:44.492 --> 01:06:44.952 ledge, 01:06:45.646 --> 01:06:47.126 then you have to distance yourself from 01:06:47.146 --> 01:06:47.286 them. 01:06:47.327 --> 01:06:48.427 You can be decent to them. 01:06:48.447 --> 01:06:49.268 You can be nice to them. 01:06:49.507 --> 01:06:50.768 You can show up at Thanksgiving. 01:06:51.248 --> 01:06:53.150 And if you don't eat cornbread stuffing 01:06:53.190 --> 01:06:53.911 and mom made cornbread, 01:06:53.931 --> 01:06:55.030 shut up and eat it. 01:06:55.110 --> 01:06:56.472 It's one day a year, right? 01:06:56.492 --> 01:06:57.793 You can go along and get along for 01:06:57.813 --> 01:06:58.032 that. 01:06:58.632 --> 01:07:00.474 But where you spend your time and how 01:07:00.514 --> 01:07:02.014 you spend your time is so important. 01:07:02.835 --> 01:07:03.576 And in the first book, 01:07:03.615 --> 01:07:05.056 I talked about how somebody might have to 01:07:05.097 --> 01:07:07.117 move across the country to change their 01:07:07.157 --> 01:07:07.438 world. 01:07:07.778 --> 01:07:09.079 And other people might just have to move 01:07:09.099 --> 01:07:09.840 across the city. 01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:12.420 But if you have people in your life 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.422 that are literally making you less than 01:07:14.461 --> 01:07:15.242 you can be, 01:07:16.431 --> 01:07:18.012 You need to separate from them on 01:07:18.132 --> 01:07:18.672 somewhat. 01:07:18.731 --> 01:07:19.853 It doesn't mean you never talk to them 01:07:19.893 --> 01:07:20.172 again. 01:07:20.193 --> 01:07:21.914 It doesn't mean you write them hate mail. 01:07:22.233 --> 01:07:23.994 It doesn't mean you call the police on 01:07:24.014 --> 01:07:25.355 them or whatever else you can come up 01:07:25.375 --> 01:07:27.655 with or sue them or, you know, 01:07:27.675 --> 01:07:28.697 MF them to their friends. 01:07:28.996 --> 01:07:30.418 It just means you need space. 01:07:31.538 --> 01:07:33.818 And it might be hard, 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:35.880 but I can tell you the best thing 01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:37.380 I ever did for my life was leave 01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:37.900 where I grew up. 01:07:39.827 --> 01:07:40.367 Touche. 01:07:40.768 --> 01:07:43.030 Folks, as I promised, I mean, 01:07:43.070 --> 01:07:44.391 he's not the best in the business for 01:07:44.471 --> 01:07:44.831 nothing. 01:07:45.092 --> 01:07:47.032 And you got to check out the Survival 01:07:47.072 --> 01:07:47.634 Podcast. 01:07:47.653 --> 01:07:48.574 You got to get his books. 01:07:49.054 --> 01:07:49.936 Speaking of which, Jack, 01:07:50.036 --> 01:07:52.157 where does everybody go to get this latest 01:07:52.217 --> 01:07:52.418 book? 01:07:52.458 --> 01:07:53.157 And also, folks, 01:07:53.177 --> 01:07:54.219 you need to get the first one. 01:07:55.059 --> 01:07:55.880 I think you hit it out of the 01:07:55.900 --> 01:07:56.661 park with the first one. 01:07:56.681 --> 01:07:57.601 That one I did read. 01:07:57.641 --> 01:07:59.023 This other one I will get around to. 01:07:59.083 --> 01:07:59.623 Where can they get them? 01:08:00.293 --> 01:08:02.173 So you can find everything you want to 01:08:02.353 --> 01:08:04.014 about the books themselves and some of the 01:08:04.034 --> 01:08:05.255 other stuff I do on this side of 01:08:05.275 --> 01:08:08.155 the world at jackslaws.com. 01:08:08.596 --> 01:08:10.637 Pretty easy to remember, jackslaws.com. 01:08:11.077 --> 01:08:12.438 On the first book, just real quick, 01:08:12.878 --> 01:08:14.639 the first book is now a second edition. 01:08:14.838 --> 01:08:15.778 So this June, 01:08:15.898 --> 01:08:18.079 I dropped a second edition of this book, 01:08:18.841 --> 01:08:20.740 and it was because the second one made 01:08:20.761 --> 01:08:21.801 me embarrassed of the first one. 01:08:22.466 --> 01:08:24.506 It was such a better book that I 01:08:24.546 --> 01:08:25.927 went back and not only did I fix 01:08:25.967 --> 01:08:27.509 a lot of the technical problems that it 01:08:27.529 --> 01:08:29.850 had, I completely changed it. 01:08:29.911 --> 01:08:30.992 It's actually got twenty thousand more 01:08:31.032 --> 01:08:31.712 words in it than it has. 01:08:33.184 --> 01:08:34.905 And I added things like there are 01:08:34.945 --> 01:08:38.387 framework formulas for every chapter that 01:08:38.427 --> 01:08:39.729 actually walk you through the law. 01:08:39.748 --> 01:08:41.810 There's also a chapter to still that's 01:08:41.850 --> 01:08:43.811 like the top twenty percent of information 01:08:43.832 --> 01:08:45.052 that came out of that chapter. 01:08:45.493 --> 01:08:47.175 And then there's quotes and there's what I 01:08:47.215 --> 01:08:48.515 call mental code rewrites. 01:08:49.095 --> 01:08:50.296 So I want people to start thinking, 01:08:50.356 --> 01:08:52.418 start thinking about your brain like 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:53.019 hardware. 01:08:54.060 --> 01:08:55.280 And start thinking about everything you 01:08:55.320 --> 01:08:56.942 tell yourself, everything you take in, 01:08:56.981 --> 01:08:57.783 everything you read, 01:08:57.823 --> 01:08:59.323 everything you associate with other people 01:08:59.384 --> 01:09:00.484 of that's your software. 01:09:01.613 --> 01:09:01.832 Right? 01:09:02.173 --> 01:09:04.055 That's the code that works with the 01:09:04.076 --> 01:09:04.636 hardware. 01:09:05.197 --> 01:09:06.217 Cause your brain dude, 01:09:07.139 --> 01:09:10.403 your brain can store so much information. 01:09:10.422 --> 01:09:12.125 The most advanced stuff we have in a 01:09:12.145 --> 01:09:13.707 data center right now to store the same 01:09:13.747 --> 01:09:15.408 amount of information in your brain is 01:09:15.448 --> 01:09:16.630 eight hundred pounds of equipment. 01:09:17.690 --> 01:09:19.132 Eight hundred pounds to do what your three 01:09:19.172 --> 01:09:19.894 pound brain does. 01:09:20.954 --> 01:09:22.317 And that is only memory. 01:09:23.612 --> 01:09:25.533 That's not processing capability. 01:09:25.573 --> 01:09:26.292 That's nothing like that. 01:09:26.313 --> 01:09:28.873 Your brain is like a Ferrari supercar that 01:09:28.894 --> 01:09:30.694 you didn't get an operations manual for. 01:09:30.755 --> 01:09:34.115 So I retrofitted these books to kind of 01:09:34.136 --> 01:09:36.056 be like that operator's manual that you 01:09:36.077 --> 01:09:36.737 were never given. 01:09:36.756 --> 01:09:39.257 Because when you think back when Billy Jr. 01:09:39.278 --> 01:09:42.059 was like, first got his driver's license, 01:09:42.578 --> 01:09:43.220 right? 01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:44.739 Would you have handed him the keys to 01:09:44.779 --> 01:09:45.680 a Ferrari F-Forty? 01:09:45.701 --> 01:09:47.121 Not at all. 01:09:47.220 --> 01:09:48.521 No, because it would be dangerous. 01:09:49.641 --> 01:09:51.422 Everybody's brain is more powerful than 01:09:51.443 --> 01:09:51.802 that car. 01:09:53.194 --> 01:09:54.895 And we're walking around and what we're 01:09:54.935 --> 01:09:56.796 doing without this guidance, 01:09:56.856 --> 01:09:57.797 and it doesn't have to be for me, 01:09:57.818 --> 01:09:59.198 but somewhere you have to get this 01:09:59.219 --> 01:10:01.039 guidance. 01:10:01.060 --> 01:10:03.903 Your brain can be your best asset. 01:10:04.182 --> 01:10:05.264 It can be your biggest enemy. 01:10:05.344 --> 01:10:06.765 Every time you tell yourself you're not 01:10:06.824 --> 01:10:07.805 good enough, you're writing code. 01:10:09.328 --> 01:10:12.331 You're writing code into that hardware of 01:10:12.350 --> 01:10:12.831 your brain. 01:10:12.871 --> 01:10:14.171 You're writing processing. 01:10:14.832 --> 01:10:16.412 And people are unaware of what they're 01:10:16.432 --> 01:10:17.153 telling themselves. 01:10:17.193 --> 01:10:20.074 So get a copy of both books. 01:10:20.414 --> 01:10:21.555 And if you got the first one, 01:10:21.595 --> 01:10:24.237 go ahead, invest in the second edition. 01:10:24.978 --> 01:10:26.998 Stay tuned for the courses. 01:10:27.019 --> 01:10:28.420 We'll probably have the course for the 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.841 first book out in about two weeks. 01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:31.862 And then we'll have the other one out 01:10:31.881 --> 01:10:32.421 by August. 01:10:33.072 --> 01:10:33.171 Now, 01:10:33.212 --> 01:10:34.153 where can they get a hold of the 01:10:34.172 --> 01:10:34.533 courses? 01:10:34.573 --> 01:10:36.335 Do they go to your website, 01:10:36.354 --> 01:10:37.154 your regular website? 01:10:37.576 --> 01:10:39.016 Because you have other courses as well. 01:10:39.037 --> 01:10:40.899 And by the way, folks, 01:10:41.019 --> 01:10:42.300 just a little hat tip. 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:44.180 I've talked about it before when Jack was 01:10:44.240 --> 01:10:45.181 on talking about it before, 01:10:45.242 --> 01:10:47.323 his one on composting and stuff. 01:10:48.145 --> 01:10:50.947 It was basically everything I spent, 01:10:52.627 --> 01:10:55.010 I think, between me, Michelle, 01:10:55.270 --> 01:10:58.972 and – 01:10:56.373 --> 01:10:58.515 William, and then going on further, 01:10:58.555 --> 01:10:59.537 I think we spent somewhere in the 01:10:59.577 --> 01:11:01.359 neighborhood of a fifteen thousand dollars 01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:03.541 to give the information that he gives in 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:04.561 his course over there. 01:11:04.641 --> 01:11:06.703 So you might want to look at a 01:11:06.743 --> 01:11:07.604 bargain when you see it. 01:11:07.625 --> 01:11:09.006 You got a number of other courses over 01:11:09.025 --> 01:11:09.346 there, too, 01:11:09.367 --> 01:11:10.347 for people that are interested. 01:11:10.368 --> 01:11:11.849 So those are at home food systems, 01:11:11.889 --> 01:11:12.770 the ones that are like 01:11:13.229 --> 01:11:15.453 centric to permaculture and agriculture 01:11:15.472 --> 01:11:16.453 and stuff like that. 01:11:17.373 --> 01:11:19.435 Jack's Laws is where they'll find these 01:11:19.475 --> 01:11:21.899 courses, jackslaws.com. 01:11:22.338 --> 01:11:23.801 And we have our AI course for 01:11:23.860 --> 01:11:24.600 entrepreneurs there. 01:11:24.681 --> 01:11:26.363 And I think Tom and I just agreed 01:11:26.382 --> 01:11:27.623 it's the first week of September. 01:11:28.185 --> 01:11:29.586 We're going to drop another round of that 01:11:29.626 --> 01:11:29.846 course. 01:11:29.867 --> 01:11:32.269 We do that course in, it's a 01:11:34.591 --> 01:11:36.971 And so we drop it on for sale 01:11:37.011 --> 01:11:37.592 on a Monday. 01:11:38.092 --> 01:11:40.573 It sells out that day and then we 01:11:40.654 --> 01:11:42.375 start it on the following Monday and then 01:11:42.395 --> 01:11:44.036 it runs five days a week. 01:11:44.596 --> 01:11:46.457 And you can find you can pre-register for 01:11:46.478 --> 01:11:47.698 that at JacksLaws.com. 01:11:47.717 --> 01:11:49.019 And if you want to take that course, 01:11:49.899 --> 01:11:51.159 the ones coming out for the books, 01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:52.961 you can just sign up and take it. 01:11:52.980 --> 01:11:53.902 The ones you're talking about, 01:11:53.921 --> 01:11:55.422 you can sign up and take because of 01:11:55.443 --> 01:11:56.922 the way we run that AI course, 01:11:56.962 --> 01:11:58.423 Tom and I have to oversee that on 01:11:58.463 --> 01:11:59.364 a daily basis. 01:11:59.664 --> 01:12:01.286 We limit it to one hundred people around. 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:03.542 And that one's like three hundred bucks. 01:12:03.561 --> 01:12:04.703 But the one you're talking about is like 01:12:04.963 --> 01:12:05.666 sixty bucks. 01:12:06.506 --> 01:12:06.887 Yeah. 01:12:06.908 --> 01:12:08.470 And I do think that you'll learn as 01:12:08.511 --> 01:12:10.293 much in that as you might spend in 01:12:10.335 --> 01:12:12.078 thousands of dollars on other courses 01:12:12.118 --> 01:12:12.559 because you 01:12:13.569 --> 01:12:13.949 I don't know, 01:12:14.069 --> 01:12:16.251 like just the way I do all this 01:12:16.270 --> 01:12:16.650 stuff. 01:12:17.150 --> 01:12:18.011 Can you charge more? 01:12:18.051 --> 01:12:18.271 Yeah. 01:12:18.292 --> 01:12:19.112 Can you make more money? 01:12:19.152 --> 01:12:19.391 Yeah. 01:12:19.452 --> 01:12:20.391 But what I want to do is help 01:12:20.412 --> 01:12:21.453 as many people as I can. 01:12:21.932 --> 01:12:23.573 So I try to make everything I do 01:12:23.613 --> 01:12:24.774 relatively affordable. 01:12:25.354 --> 01:12:27.215 And these courses from these books are 01:12:27.255 --> 01:12:28.694 probably going to be forty, fifty bucks, 01:12:28.715 --> 01:12:29.354 something like that. 01:12:29.435 --> 01:12:32.155 And they're going to go into deeply into 01:12:32.176 --> 01:12:33.837 the neuroscience behind this. 01:12:34.756 --> 01:12:36.679 Um, and it is, they're long, 01:12:36.698 --> 01:12:37.880 they're going to be six, sixteen laws, 01:12:37.899 --> 01:12:38.581 sixteen weeks, 01:12:39.220 --> 01:12:42.043 but they will transform who you are in 01:12:42.104 --> 01:12:43.704 a very, very positive way. 01:12:44.164 --> 01:12:46.067 Or I'm also have workbooks coming out and 01:12:46.087 --> 01:12:47.347 those are going to be ten bucks. 01:12:47.368 --> 01:12:48.208 You get the workbook and do it on 01:12:48.248 --> 01:12:49.130 your own without the course. 01:12:49.149 --> 01:12:50.029 It's up to you. 01:12:50.331 --> 01:12:51.532 All of you people out there. 01:12:51.992 --> 01:12:54.413 We got tons of homeschoolers that are in 01:12:54.453 --> 01:12:54.694 this. 01:12:54.994 --> 01:12:55.194 Look, 01:12:55.635 --> 01:12:57.537 I can't think of a couple of better 01:12:57.636 --> 01:12:59.198 books to put into your curriculum out 01:12:59.217 --> 01:12:59.438 there. 01:12:59.457 --> 01:13:00.819 It's going to pay in dividends down the 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:01.060 road. 01:13:01.731 --> 01:13:03.412 I say fifteen and up, though, guys. 01:13:03.432 --> 01:13:05.134 There's a few four-letter words in these, 01:13:05.173 --> 01:13:06.774 just to be honest, right? 01:13:06.854 --> 01:13:08.456 You know. 01:13:08.475 --> 01:13:09.296 It's all good, man. 01:13:09.317 --> 01:13:09.417 Yeah. 01:13:10.056 --> 01:13:11.597 Well, Jack, I love it. 01:13:13.259 --> 01:13:14.600 Okay, yeah, so we got a little bit. 01:13:14.619 --> 01:13:15.400 There's nothing profane, 01:13:15.421 --> 01:13:17.221 but there are some adult words. 01:13:17.801 --> 01:13:18.903 Well, sometimes, you know, 01:13:18.943 --> 01:13:21.083 that's necessary to make a point. 01:13:21.123 --> 01:13:22.404 Certainly have no problem with that. 01:13:22.904 --> 01:13:23.225 All right, y'all, 01:13:23.246 --> 01:13:24.065 I want to thank my guests, 01:13:24.105 --> 01:13:25.827 the great Jack Spierko from coming over 01:13:25.846 --> 01:13:26.908 here and checking, you know, 01:13:26.948 --> 01:13:28.109 getting us all squared away. 01:13:29.172 --> 01:13:30.555 Look, y'all, get these books. 01:13:30.574 --> 01:13:31.617 You're going to be glad you did. 01:13:31.957 --> 01:13:34.702 Till next time, stay alert, stay alive. 01:13:49.005 --> 01:13:53.046 Listen to the earth, they've got us. 01:13:53.266 --> 01:13:54.927 The last seeds of the change. 01:13:54.988 --> 01:13:56.588 Watch the world spin. 01:13:56.969 --> 01:13:59.570 From the smallest sprout to the harmony 01:13:59.591 --> 01:14:00.511 begin. 01:14:00.770 --> 01:14:02.152 In the cycle of life, 01:14:02.532 --> 01:14:04.573 where the magic's alive. 01:14:04.974 --> 01:14:06.134 Turn it to the beat. 01:14:06.534 --> 01:14:08.716 Feel the fire and thrive. 01:14:16.625 --> 01:14:17.976 So much wisdom in the song.