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Speaker 1
Today we're talking about ten weird things that I always thought were just part of my personality, but turns out were related to ADHD. Things like being really bendy and starting businesses. I can't wait for this one.

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Speaker 2
Welcome to Late Bloomers where we are getting our lives together eventually.

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Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
Well, because I'm leading it. I'm going to tell you the ten weird things. And you've. You've done this to me in autism.

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Speaker 1
We did Autism in Disguise a few weeks ago, and this is ADHD in disguise. Very quick disclaimer these are ten weird things we use weird as a word for good. Weird is good on the podcast. They're a bit odd. They're bit funny. These are not diagnostic criteria. These are ten things that I do and that we've also noticed kind of patterns in our gorgeous community.

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Speaker 1
But we're not saying that these are medical. So please don't go to the doctors saying.

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Speaker 2
Well yeah and we're not doctors. And if you've got all ten of these things, you don't definitely have ADHD, but you might want to speak to someone.

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Speaker 1
But you might possibly want to speak to someone. So yeah, not speaking for the whole ADHD community, but I have a strange feeling that I'm not going to be the only one.

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Speaker 2
So I'm going to start. Okay. And if you have any, if you need any clarification as to what any of those means, then please do ask me any questions. But I'm going to start right off the bat with number one. You're weirdly bendy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
So I have like double joints in my fingers and thumbs.

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Speaker 2
Not just that, it's not just there. Your arms are all on.

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Speaker 1
My arms go backwards. My shoulders, my knee joints move my wrist. It's very odd. And actually, in school, it was my party trick that I could bend my thumb, although back to my wrist backwards, not Fords. And that is also a sign of hypermobility, but going backwards. Yeah, and I thought it was my party trick. I thought it was really cool.

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Speaker 1
And then I've realized recently it's related to ADHD. How it's related to ADHD is that there is a crazy overlap between people with ADHD and hypermobility, and that ranges from 50% estimate that 50% of people with a hyper mobile up to 70% for women.

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Speaker 2
You're going to have to explain to me what hyper mobile is. Is it just weirdly bendy?

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Speaker 1
Yeah, it's like the posh word for being weirdly bendy. It goes all the way up to editors, which is Ella's Dan loss syndrome that you can actually get diagnosed with. That's a medical condition. I haven't sought that as a diagnosis. I just say hyper mobile. I'm yeah, weirdly bendy.

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Speaker 2
Like so. So why so hypermobility seems like a physical thing. Yeah, ADHD is not.

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Speaker 1
So it's the the connective tissue. Effectively. I read while thinking about this episode. I read that they are currently researching it, and actually some researchers are so excited by the idea of why there is that overlap. And I just can't wait for someone to figure that out, because it is. Why is it that like I'm bendy and messy?

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Speaker 1
How do those things go together? Bendy brains?

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Speaker 2
I would be excited about researching that.

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Speaker 1
Off you go.

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Speaker 2
Right. Number two, you dopamine dress so your clothes give you dopamine again.

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Speaker 1
Going back to school, I was like renowned for wearing really like, bright, bold colors.

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Speaker 2
You've got to share more recent activities of your wardrobe. What? Because it's become a little bit of an obsession.

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Speaker 1
Oh.

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Speaker 2
Do you want to share with the audience what the current dopamine outfits are? Yeah.

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Speaker 1
And I'm wearing one right now. So I went shopping a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, and I found a new shop that was called garage in our local shopping center, which is Bluewater. And it was amazing because the shop is separated into like color sections.

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Speaker 2
Bright colors.

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Speaker 1
It's like blue, pink. They also have black.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Burgundy.

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Speaker 1
And they have all the same clothes but in different colors. It's like a neurodivergent dream. So I went in. I felt it was like, this is really soft. I tried on like the shorts and the top and I was like, this is so comfortable. This is now my entire personality. So I bought six pairs of shorts, six matching tops, some like cardigans.

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Speaker 1
And it's been I've worn it exclusively.

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Speaker 2
It's not just that, it's all the activity that goes around it. Like you've got a dedicated wardrobe just for garage. Now I feel like I want to say garage because I'm English.

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Speaker 1
It's a Canadian brand, so it is pronounced garage. I actually look that up. Okay. Yeah. So I cleared out all my black t shirts. I moved them away. So I've got like a section in the wardrobe that is garage only, and I like, even hang up my own clothes and like, fold the shorts and that's all I'm going to wear.

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Speaker 1
That runs out.

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Speaker 2
And they come up with new colors every month.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So I've got red, I've got pink, I've got blue. But there is some colors on the website that I haven't got. I haven't got orange. Yeah. I haven't got the tiger print yet. So yeah. Dopamine dressing so furtively clothes is a way of finding dopamine. And very often you will notice with ADHD is unusual dressing right.

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Speaker 1
Bold. If you went to one of our events, there's a high proportion of brightly colored dungarees and brightly colored hair.

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Speaker 2
I was going to say a dungarees is a big one for ADHD.

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Speaker 1
A brightly colored. I don't know what it is about dungarees, but it's, you know, the outside inside, putting that inside weirdness on your body. Also bright colors. It's like magpie syndrome. They catch your eye and say, yeah, diaper mean dressing. It's very, very real.

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Speaker 2
Number three, you own 12 water bottles.

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Speaker 1
Yes. So I have always owned multiple water bottles, multiple lip balms, multiple bags because it's like you haven't got it for its functionality. You've got it for the happiness and dopamine of the novelty that it provides in the short term. So I don't have a water bottle really, to drink water out of. I have it to bring me joy that it's new and sparkly in the color and the brand that I love.

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Speaker 1
And then that kind of wears out and then I need another one. I also by the same thing a lot because I need them in different rooms.

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Speaker 2
Well, you, you, you don't need them in different rooms. I was going to say having so many water bottles sort of also helps with the fact that there will be 1 in 1 in every room.

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Speaker 1
Lip balm in every bag. So it's to stop me from having to find them.

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Speaker 2
No, sorry. A lip balm in every bag is fine because they're fine in every bag. You can pick a bag up, get the lip balm, a bottle of water that's been in a room the last week and a half does not serve the same purpose because you just need to wash it up.

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Speaker 1
So I feel like that is just more about novelty.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Okay. Number four, you cannot sleep with a ticking clock.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Is it just as simple as that? Is it any noise or is it just. It's a specific clocks. Like what are we talking here.

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Speaker 1
So with ADHD there's a lot of sensory processing issues. And people can struggle to block out what isn't important. And then like things that you shouldn't be listening to get hyper loud. So for example, a clock at night I can just like lock in on the clock. It's like. And it's like attack in my brain. It's like somebody knocking with a wooden drumstick on my own head, making that sound.

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Speaker 1
And there's no way I'm getting to sleep. Like I have had to get out of bed and take batteries out of clocks in order to sleep. But that's also like chewing. Like sometimes if we're eating dinner and I haven't got music on and I'm in a mood and you're chewing and I can hear you chewing, I can't hear anything else.

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Speaker 1
I'm not going to do the noise. Anyone with Mr. Vernier? It's the worst noise in the world.

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Speaker 2
So I get that you are also a bit of a loud tuer yourself. Especially when eating stuff like bananas. Like, I cannot understand how your teeth can be as loud as they are.

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Speaker 1
Because.

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Speaker 2
Because you go.

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Speaker 1
I for mobility. My jaw like clicks out basically. So you're hearing a lot.

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Speaker 2
Of it's not your teeth crashing together. That's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1
It's like my jaw makes a sound.

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Speaker 2
Right. Okay. You ready for number five?

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
This one's hilarious. You sound track your life. So talk to us about what this means.

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Speaker 1
So every. I basically can't human at all without. Sounds like a soundtrack to go along with it. So, for example, when I'm getting ready in the morning, I'm always listening to a podcast. Yeah, like if I'm doing my podcast, that just has to happen. If I'm having a bath, I'm listening to sometimes a book. Actually, I go for it in bath.

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Speaker 1
If I am leaving the house, I have to have music. If I forget my headphones, I will come back. I will miss my train rather than be out in the world like without sounds. If I'm cleaning, I. I used to do podcasts. Now I just join a dubby body doubling session and I'm listening to the host, like encouraging me.

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Speaker 2
Can I just say one thing? Yeah, because you've just sort of raised past it.

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Speaker 1
Go on.

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Speaker 2
And it needs talking. About what? Leaving the house with music. Yeah. You do not simply just listen to the music. You walk along the street and fabricate a whole thing in your head that you're the main character of. So it's like the soundtrack to a movie, and you picture the scene in your head of you. You striding along to the music.

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Speaker 1
Sort of depends on the song. It depends on the mood. It would have to be a hot day. I'd have to be feeling slightly nostalgic every certain song. And then, yeah, I'm like starring in a music video or a film. Like I can make entire narratives in my head, but the music, like, hits incredibly hard, and I'll often be listening to the same song over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1
So why is that related to ADHD? So it's a few things for me. Having sound, having auditory input is like an anchor for doing life without the anchor. I'm like a hot air balloon that just goes off and you never find me again. So like, the music helps me to walk where I'm going. The dubby host helps me to stay focused on cleaning.

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Speaker 1
The podcast helps me to sit and stay focused on getting ready. It anchors me in the moment and it stops me from actually getting distracted. Almost. Yeah, and the thought of doing any of those things without sounds, I'd be all over, like I'd be all over the place. It's like my brain spills out of my ears unless I've got earphones in playing music in.

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Speaker 1
So it keeps my brain in my head is my theory.

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Speaker 2
That is a that's a very creative theory, I think. Okay, before number six, let's hear from our sponsors quickly.

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Speaker 1
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Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
Lovely. Right. Let's get back to the episode, shall we?

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Speaker 1
All done. I'm ready.

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Speaker 2
Are you ready for number six?

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Speaker 1
I was born ready, baby.

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Speaker 2
You can never tell when you are hungry. And I want to add to this as well. You can't even fathom that. You might be hungry later.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
But this. This blows my mind because I'd be like, oh, do you want this for later? No, I'm not hungry. No, I know, but like for later. That's what I'm saying later. No I'm not. I don't want any.

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Speaker 1
It's impossible for me to project into the future, into a couple of hours and realize that my current state will change.

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Speaker 2
Like 100%. It will change as well. Like you are always hungry.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, but I never learn. Like. Like never learning. It's just part of it. But I think the not knowing when you're hungry, there is a word for it.

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Speaker 2
You don't know what that word is, though.

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Speaker 1
Max, can you look up what the word is for ADHD people not knowing when they're hungry or thirsty? It's like a word that basically means you are a bit disconnected from your body's own signals that would normally be there. So for me, I won't realize I'm hungry. Until I'm at like the extreme end, as in I'm starving, I'm shaking.

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Speaker 1
I'm having a blood sugar crash.

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Speaker 1
Introspection dysfunction.

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Speaker 2
Wow, that's so wonder. You can remember that?

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Speaker 1
I can't remember why I walked in the room, let alone introspection dysfunction. But it's really common in people with ADHD and that can apply to Hungary. Thirsty temperature. Looking into the future about being hungry, it's sort of like a lack of awareness about one's own physical body and its needs, which is really odd, isn't it?

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Speaker 2
And we did say weird things.

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Speaker 1
Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2
That's pretty weird in the most amazing way.

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Speaker 1
But it doesn't help you because we know that ADHD is struggle with like, blood sugar more than people without ADHD. So if you're not eating, you're like starving yourself, going hungry, and then eating snacks. You're like, on this rollercoaster of blood sugar. We actually need to eat kind of small meals consistently, but and good luck trying that.

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Speaker 2
Nutrition is important for ADHD. Which brings me perfectly for to number seven, which is a slice of cheese, can be dinner often is.

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Speaker 1
A slice of cheese can 100% be dinner. So let me set the scene. I'm starving. I haven't realized I've left it too late. I'm like, I need to eat dinner. I go to the fridge, I open the fridge, and there's things in there that need cooking, vegetables that need chopping, meat that needs preparing. And it's to do with executive function.

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Speaker 1
Like I haven't got the capacity to figure out what I can do with those ingredients. And even if I could, I'd feel overwhelmed by the process of doing it. So I opt out. It's like I opt out of the 12 steps needed to make a sandwich, and I will open a slice of cheese. It could be a handful of nuts.

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Speaker 1
It could be one solitary slice of bread. I call them like one step dinners.

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Speaker 2
Well, there is a thing, actually. I remember us talking about it once before. There was a big thing online about. It's really good for ADHD people to have no cook meals. And you tried to claim that eating a lump of cheese out of the fridge qualifies as a no cook meal.

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Speaker 1
Why wouldn't it qualify as well?

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Speaker 2
I think the idea of a no cook meal is trying to bring together ingredients that are nutritionally good for you and healthy, and require no cooking. So I think if you just ate cheese, for example, for the rest of your life, I think you'd be deficient in some.

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Speaker 1
So for example, chicken Caesar salad. If, like the chickens already cooked, and you put the bees and you put the sauce and you put the lettuce.

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Speaker 2
Or your Mexican bowl.

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Speaker 1
Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. But that even microwaving the rice for two minutes to me is cooking. That's a job. I have to open the thing. But in the bar do the time. I wait for the time.

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Speaker 2
Like these chefs better watch out. If you're cooking by microwaving rice to get you a master MasterChef. Next.

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Speaker 1
That is. Wait. Are you legit telling me that when I make the Mexican bell, you don't think I've cooked you dinner.

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Speaker 2
100%? You have not cooked me dinner.

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Speaker 1
So what would you.

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Speaker 2
You've opened packets. It's a no cooked meal. You've prepared the meal, but you haven't cooked dinner. I think there is a difference in the two, because that's a no cooked meal in my mind. You're putting together a bunch of stuff and then smashing it when I might go over ready meal. Is that cooking you dinner?

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
No it's not babe. Sorry. That's not that's not cooking dinner.

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Speaker 1
So what is this imaginary? Where does it become cooking?

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Speaker 2
Can you be a good cook based on your ability to microwave like, is there different varying degrees of how well somebody can microwave for dinner?

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Speaker 1
I'm not talking about how good you are as a cook. I'm talking about cooking.

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Speaker 2
But you understand there's a concept of being a good cook and a bad cook.

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Speaker 1
If I put rice in the microwave, I'm cooking. It isn't cooking.

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Speaker 2
Just meeting it.

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Speaker 1
If it isn't that cooking?

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Speaker 2
No. Cooking is like bringing together ingredients.

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Speaker 1
I feel like we've been sidetracked, and I think we're going to need to have this discussion later tonight. When I was going to cook you a Mexican bowl.

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Speaker 2
Oh.

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Speaker 1
Were you? But maybe you can take me out for dinner and have someone else cook for me.

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Speaker 2
I don't want you to go all to go through all of that trouble of cooking tonight. Babe, why don't you put your feet up?

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Speaker 1
What was this point? A slice of cheese is dinner.

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Speaker 2
Well, I'm going to move on to number eight.

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Speaker 1
Can I just say executive function makes cooking hard. And that's why we'll sometimes be stir the fridge eating a slice of cheese. There is no shame. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2
Number eight, to lighten the mood, you get emotionally attached to objects.

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Speaker 2
Like, I remember when we were sorting out the house after we moved in and we were throwing stuff out. The stuff that you wanted to keep because you felt sorry for it, like you were assigned personalities. Teddy bears are actually the worst, but I sort of get that because they're in the form, even though they're just fabric.

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Speaker 1
It has a face like that little squishy that I got in torn, I couldn't look, I actually had to not look. And yeah, this also really, really, really, really gets me if I'm on tour, when I'm on tour, I don't have loads of room. I'm living out of a suitcase. And sometimes fans will, like, bring like, lovely gifts and I have to try and take them home, and sometimes I can't.

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Speaker 1
It might be too big, or I might be traveling to Germany and I can't take it across the border. If they've baked a cake and I can't watch, you will like, have to throw it away. And I have to leave the room. Because if I see you throwing away something that someone's made for me, it will. It like ends me.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
And and there's there's so many ways I think this this could be in an ID lens. But the two that stand out to me is, number one, the kind of empathy problem or empathy. Pride depends on where you look at it. We have very high empathy. We're very sensitive creatures, so we're able to empathize with a bucket or a flower pot or and feel sorry for something that's thrown out.

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Speaker 1
I feel we're almost like projecting. We're so sensitive to rejection, we can't even reject an inanimate object.

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Speaker 2
But you understand that logically.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
They don't know set. Like, yeah, they don't have emotions. Even if the Teddy's got a face, it's just stitched together with plastic eyes.

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Speaker 1
I just can't I couldn't bear to look at it like laying in the skip looking. I'd go and rescue it. I have done that before. So I think there's like an empathy an empathy issue. But okay. And I'd love to say I read this in a thesis, but I think I saw it on TikTok. Somebody said because of ADHD memory problems, we use physical objects to like anchor memories and feelings.

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Speaker 1
So if you throw away everything, you're wiping your memory. And that really resonated with me, because I do like to keep anything that's got sentimental value as a memory anchor.

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Speaker 2
That makes that makes more sense. The whole empathy argument was getting a little bit, getting a little bit questionable, because a whole idea of empathy as you've been able to relate to somebody else's emotions. And of course, these things do not feel emotion.

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Speaker 1
So it's not it's not empathy.

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Speaker 2
Can't be empathy. Otherwise you are just a little bit crazy.

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Speaker 1
I mean, a lot of bit crazy babes. Let's be real. I would love to know. I can't wait for the comments because I'm sure at least I hope I'm not the only one.

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Speaker 2
Well, what.

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Speaker 1
Do I know?

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Speaker 2
What if you're the only one attached to objects?

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Speaker 1
I'm not.

00:23:29:04 - 00:24:00:01
Speaker 2
Number nine talking to yourself. Oh, this is so funny to witness. Right? So you have a form that you take where you can physically see the conversations that you're having in your head, because it's not just a conversation you're having. You're acting out. You're making the right facial expressions as if you were there. You're like pointing and it will be out of nowhere, will be driving, and all of a sudden you'll be like pointing and stuff like that.

00:24:00:01 - 00:24:08:04
Speaker 2
And I'm like, what? What's happened? Are you okay? Are you. Is this a crisis? Do we need to drive somewhere, get you some medical attention?

00:24:08:04 - 00:24:32:11
Speaker 1
It's like I'm constantly having combos and making plans and doing meetings and having arguments where I'm winning in my own head. That's constantly going on. And sometimes I betray myself, and the inner monologue slips out and I'll. Yeah, I'll point. I'll make a face or I'll mouth the words and then other people around you like, what are you doing?

00:24:32:12 - 00:24:37:13
Speaker 2
Sometimes don't mouth. Sometimes there's little noises that come out of there. Yeah. Like that.

00:24:37:14 - 00:24:50:00
Speaker 1
Oh, like you were like what? I'm sorry. I was just having a conversation with an ex friend, and I made a good point, and she didn't listen it. I mean, it's, you know, it doesn't sound that sane.

00:24:50:01 - 00:25:11:22
Speaker 2
One thing, though, that I have to say, which you said to me recently, is obviously that is well to do with ADHD, just having probably more so in attentive ADHD because it's all on the inside of you. Yeah, but golf has really helped you stop that, hasn't it? Like when you play golf on the course, you just think about golf.

00:25:12:01 - 00:25:30:11
Speaker 1
Yeah, it really, really has. I only think about golf. I think about my swing. I think it's amazing. It feels like, you know what, people talk about meditation. It's like I can't meditate because I still think, am I meditating? Am I silent? Am I having thoughts? Is this a thought? This isn't meditating. I'm bored. How long has it been?

00:25:30:11 - 00:26:04:24
Speaker 1
One minute. Can't do it. Golf, to me, feels like what meditation feels like to normal people. Like my brain is just, like, empty and, like, fully present and I'm obsessed. But yeah, inattentive ADHD is essentially the hyperactivity is internalized. So I'm not like running around turning over tables. It's inside my own head. So you're effectively having constant monologues from the minute you wake up to you go to bed, but your brain is never quiet.

00:26:05:01 - 00:26:13:09
Speaker 1
And because of the imagination, the creativity, you can imagine Whole World's films, old arguments like it's yeah.

00:26:13:09 - 00:26:23:22
Speaker 2
But you show it. So even when I'm got a lot on my mind and I'm thinking through a lot or overthinking which I can do, you won't see it in my face. You see it in your entire existence when you're doing it.

00:26:23:23 - 00:26:31:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like the line between my inner monologue and like, the outside world sometimes blurs. It's really embarrassing when it happens.

00:26:31:05 - 00:26:33:13
Speaker 2
I think I'm like, oh.

00:26:33:15 - 00:26:34:09
Speaker 1
I've slipped down.

00:26:34:10 - 00:26:36:09
Speaker 2
You're not embarrassed when you do it in front of me, though, right?

00:26:36:10 - 00:26:44:06
Speaker 1
Like a tiny bit. Not like mega, but a tiny bit. I'm like, damn, bro, because you just feel a little crazy. But that's fine.

00:26:44:08 - 00:26:45:13
Speaker 2
But are you ready for number ten?

00:26:45:14 - 00:26:47:16
Speaker 1
Oh my God, last one. I'm so ready.

00:26:47:18 - 00:26:52:15
Speaker 2
How many businesses have you started in your life?

00:26:52:17 - 00:26:53:21
Speaker 1
In my life?

00:26:53:23 - 00:26:57:13
Speaker 2
Yeah, just to the nearest hundred.

00:26:57:14 - 00:27:09:12
Speaker 1
100, like, would probably be a nice. I mean, when you say started, do you mean like, actively sold something or like, imagined?

00:27:09:13 - 00:27:11:18
Speaker 2
Because most of them never get that far?

00:27:11:23 - 00:27:14:24
Speaker 1
Because imagined would be like thousands.

00:27:15:00 - 00:27:21:01
Speaker 2
I think it's more than imagined because, you know, you're the amount of domains that you own.

00:27:21:01 - 00:27:21:18
Speaker 1
23.

00:27:21:19 - 00:27:30:09
Speaker 2
So so you go further than just imagining it, but you don't quite get to the to the actual distribution stage, because that requires a lot of.

00:27:30:10 - 00:27:52:02
Speaker 1
Yeah. Stuff like you were 23 active domain names. So that's a good that's business ideas that have taken the next step. But obviously that was when I had access to my one, two, three reg account. There were childhood like I started helping hands when I was 9 or 10, which was a business you're going to.

00:27:52:04 - 00:27:57:00
Speaker 2
Know I know about this nearly kill a rabbit.

00:27:57:02 - 00:28:11:08
Speaker 2
Is that. That's how I remember it. You would you you advertise to go and help look after people's pets. You got your first customer and then forgot about the rabbits that they own. And your dad made you go and.

00:28:11:10 - 00:28:24:20
Speaker 1
Okay, first of all, I was 9 or 10. Okay. Helping hands was a business where I offered gardening pet care.

00:28:24:22 - 00:28:25:23
Speaker 1
Car washing.

00:28:25:24 - 00:28:35:18
Speaker 2
For the moon Bay. What qualifications? What? What made you think you had the skills required to offer gardening services?

00:28:35:20 - 00:28:44:04
Speaker 1
But I'm nine. Like, they're going to know it was picking up leaves or whatever. So I made my little flier. Microsoft Words. I see it now helping hands remember that.

00:28:44:05 - 00:28:44:21
Speaker 2
Like clip.

00:28:44:21 - 00:29:04:16
Speaker 1
Art, clip art, a little pair of prayer hands, gardening, this and that, 5 pounds an hour. Please contact me, put my address, cut them all out and I went and delivered a flier to every house on my estate. By the way, so can we just say, oh yeah, start business. Entrepreneurial kid. Yeah, yeah.

00:29:04:17 - 00:29:10:14
Speaker 2
And then what happened when you got your first customer? What was the job?

00:29:10:16 - 00:29:12:14
Speaker 1
It was looking after rabbit, right?

00:29:12:15 - 00:29:15:03
Speaker 2
How did that did that play out?

00:29:15:04 - 00:29:18:16
Speaker 1
I forgot, but then my dad reminded me, and it's fine. So.

00:29:18:17 - 00:29:42:24
Speaker 2
So what you should have done is. Is what? So it was impressive, right? I'm not disputing that. It was. You were nine years old. You made these fliers, you went and delivered it. You got a customer. What would have been genius? One step more is you could have hired all your nine year old mates to go and actually do the jobs for 3 pounds an hour.

00:29:43:00 - 00:29:44:04
Speaker 1
Nine year old capitalist.

00:29:44:05 - 00:29:52:04
Speaker 2
Pocket the £2. Do you know what I mean? I bet you're kicking yourself for not doing that now. There'd be no dead rabbits. No rabbits did that.

00:29:52:04 - 00:30:17:16
Speaker 1
She didn't. I died of old age later, and I can I just, like, clear the up. Anyway, look, why do ADHD people start businesses? I feel like there is negative and there's positive. Yes, we know the negatives. Guess what? We're impulsive. We love novelty. Whatever. Guess what else had people? There is a high overlap between entrepreneurship, people that run businesses and ADHD because you can see the bigger picture.

00:30:17:16 - 00:30:24:10
Speaker 1
You can spot gaps in the market. You've got amazing pattern recognition. You've got outside the box thinking. So it isn't.

00:30:24:11 - 00:30:47:17
Speaker 2
All I, I agree, I agree, I let me put on the record we wouldn't have any of our businesses without rocks, so I completely agree. High percentage of ADHD people are entrepreneurs. I also both can be true. The a high percentage of people are ADHD. Of the people that own domain names that sit dormant.

00:30:47:19 - 00:31:07:09
Speaker 1
I feel like ADHD is are keeping GoDaddy in business. And on that note, this has been the Late Bloomers podcast. I've had fun. You've had fun. Let us know, is it just me or do you do some of these weird and odd things too? We'd love to hear from you in the comments! As always, give us a like a follow up subscribe.

00:31:07:09 - 00:31:09:21
Speaker 1
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00:31:09:22 - 00:31:11:07
Speaker 2
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00:31:11:09 - 00:31:12:12
Speaker 1
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