00:01.69
alexei sayle
hey everybody welcome to episode 133 of the alexis sale podcast uh first of all i'd just like to um say thank you to all the people we we did uh did a young ones event in um in the festival in morcom in lancashire on um the 21st me nigel and and

00:09.39
Talal K
Oh

00:21.32
Talal K
yeah.

00:28.26
alexei sayle
travelled up back on the train with Lisa, which was nice, and also lovely to see Nigel. And, yeah, very devoted, devout fans of the young ones, and I hope they got their money's worth. um And, um yeah, it was so it wass a lovely evening, very people really excited we were there.

00:50.55
alexei sayle
and um you know, actually, the... they the the um so very sensibly the organizer matt had got waterstones to come along with some of my books to sign so in fact um well we sold them all so maybe we should think about it's a bit late for rope tackle isn't it really but i don't think honey we do you got to do some photos weren't you supposed to do some photos

01:05.30
Talal K
Ooh.

01:14.73
Talal K
Shit. Well, and Nigel was there who...

01:23.43
Talal K
Some photos.

01:24.60
alexei sayle
You were going to do some photos and we going to sign them and sell them and give the money to people of Gaza, but you've forgotten because you're selfish.

01:34.22
Talal K
Wow. Yeah. a ah Yeah, you had that idea that um I did forget and I am selfish. What did you want to do?

01:45.10
Talal K
You wanted to print out some headshots and get and sign them.

01:47.16
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, and then be just something to sign and then we'll give the money to...

01:52.41
Talal K
And sell them where?

01:54.35
alexei sayle
Well, like Rope Tackle.

01:54.62
Talal K
At the show.

01:55.94
alexei sayle
Yeah, the show, yeah. and

01:56.89
Talal K
ah ah

01:58.36
alexei sayle
And at the Roundhouse on the 2nd of August.

02:07.48
Talal K
Fuck me, that's a big undertaking.

02:10.69
alexei sayle
What?

02:11.98
Talal K
Printing off all those pictures.

02:14.62
alexei sayle
You'd have to do it. You'd just get somebody to do it.

02:20.22
Talal K
All right, that's probably an off podcast conversation.

02:24.82
alexei sayle
I think they like to hear us bicker, don't they?

02:25.14
Talal K
ah

02:26.77
alexei sayle
part of the kind of parasocial.

02:29.82
Talal K
um i'm I've got a Polaroid. ah I bought an old 80s, 1980s Polaroid from like a guy and was really excited about it and then went online to buy film.

02:44.66
alexei sayle
Yeah.

02:45.34
Talal K
And it's 25 quid for eight photos.

02:49.14
alexei sayle
Shit.

02:51.13
Talal K
So my first thought was that would be fun thing to do it after a gig, but how many films would have to buy? And that's a big old bill.

02:57.50
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah.

02:57.62
Talal K
And then we'd have to charge people at least that to cover the costs.

03:00.98
alexei sayle
Yeah.

03:01.80
Talal K
And then we're sending what? 50p a boat owed to Gaza? It seems a bit...

03:07.44
alexei sayle
Well.

03:07.94
Talal K
You know what? I'll just give all my cut to Gaza. How about that?

03:11.10
alexei sayle
ah No, because it's it's it's a way to interact with people anyway as well.

03:17.56
Talal K
It is nice.

03:17.85
alexei sayle
So just find a...

03:18.22
Talal K
Yeah, it's...

03:20.25
alexei sayle
I mean, I'd do it, but I don't want to.

03:24.44
alexei sayle
um And Linda's got enough on it, Blake. So...

03:29.62
Talal K
Well, I would love to do an ah photo, a new photo

03:34.78
alexei sayle
you do it You could do a photo also if you want. And we could sign it.

03:38.55
Talal K
of us or of you, but something new taken especially for this project, you know, not just some old headshot off of Google.

03:42.87
alexei sayle
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

03:47.64
Talal K
OK, all right, well, thanks for airing that out on air so that to give me the the kick up the bum necessary.

03:52.77
alexei sayle
Ha ha.

03:56.03
Talal K
It's nice to hear Nigel was at the young ones show because he wasn't he couldn't make it to the Glastonbury one we did.

03:59.32
alexei sayle
Yeah.

04:02.68
alexei sayle
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

04:03.83
Talal K
So that must have brought a new because I was worried that you were just going to do the same thing. Sorry about that. got some phone interference.

04:12.94
alexei sayle
Well, you know, no.

04:13.56
Talal K
You were gonna get the same old shit again, but Nigel being there would have added a new energy to it.

04:16.95
alexei sayle
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Lisa makes me tell the same stories about which like me being off my head on tranquilizers on the plane to Australia. I don't know why she thinks that's so interesting.

04:29.21
alexei sayle
But I'll go along with it. um

04:35.17
Talal K
Like horse tranquilizers, like ketamine.

04:37.97
alexei sayle
Now, person, Ativan, I think it was.

04:41.39
Talal K
Person tranquilizers.

04:42.65
alexei sayle
Person tranquilizers. Yeah.

04:45.27
Talal K
um Yes, we do have two shows coming up. Rope Tackle is sold out. Thank you to the people of Shoreham. But this is your last chance, listeners, to join us at the Rope Tackle. It's a big show. It's a massive room.

04:56.84
Talal K
Diane Morgan is there at the Roundhouse in Camden as part of the Roundhouse Comedy Festival on the 2nd of August.

04:57.94
alexei sayle
around us

05:04.63
Talal K
Get your tickets. This is your chance to come and join us there. We may or may not have signed photos for you as well, but we'll hang around and meet people afterwards.

05:08.63
alexei sayle
yeah yeah it's just you know nice to have something to say and say and you know give the money to you know it's

05:16.48
Talal K
Hopefully.

05:21.75
Talal K
Yeah, you normally bring like your old books.

05:24.45
alexei sayle
And I haven't got any, I think.

05:24.79
Talal K
um

05:25.77
alexei sayle
I think I've used them all.

05:26.04
Talal K
Yeah, you've used them all up. But when I first started working with you, you'd bring them to gigs and it was very nice because people could come and have a chat with you.

05:28.05
alexei sayle
Oh, they're all in storage.

05:31.29
alexei sayle
Yeah.

05:33.91
alexei sayle
Yeah, exactly, yeah. yeah

05:35.60
Talal K
Yeah, you're very sociable.

05:36.77
alexei sayle
Yeah. I had a nice chat. and I might have chat to a man who's got sarcoidosis like I have. i think is I think his was in his... Where was his? I can't remember now.

05:48.22
alexei sayle
But I think it was all right. I did have a chat to a man who's, I think I was, wasn't really paying attention, but I think runs the, the Morecambe gun club. And anytime, you know, I wanted to come down to Morecambe and shoot, fix it up. but I wasn't really, I was a bit distracted.

06:06.17
alexei sayle
He said his favorite gun was a CZ rifle that he had. My favorite gun was actually um when I used to go pistol shooting was a CZ. It was a copy of a, um,

06:19.21
alexei sayle
Browning Hyper, CZ75, I think it was. Anyway, so if he wants to get back in touch and if he's listening, yeah, I'll pay more attention. um Yeah, so anyway, it was nice of me.

06:30.52
Talal K
What's a sarcoid?

06:31.10
alexei sayle
um Sarcoidosis. I have three autoimmune conditions with sarcoidosis, which did flare up in 2016 and put me in the neurological hospital for a week.

06:47.81
alexei sayle
Lycan planus and Harlequin syndrome. Have I never talked about me? Or me, me autoimmune conditions?

06:56.38
Talal K
Not in great detail, not in any detail, I don't think. I know that you've you've mentioned that you went dizzy for a bit and had to go hospital.

07:00.53
alexei sayle
Oh, Harlequin, yeah.

07:05.10
Talal K
I think that's as kind of detailed as you went with it all.

07:08.38
alexei sayle
Yeah, I was in hospital school for a week. That's when I said, because I got i got stand-up out of it. I got like 10 minutes, got the clothes and the way out. Because i said I said, my friend Harry is dead now.

07:20.86
alexei sayle
He said to me, you really, if you're in hospital, you've got to tell the staff that you're still working, that you're still a functioning member of society, not just some old person. Because they won't, it's not our cruelty, but they'll just treat you less seriously if they think you're some just old somebody.

07:39.33
alexei sayle
old retired people. So they these two these two um young doctors were triaging me and I said to them, I was in Holby City recently in the TV, and I said, I had situs invertus, which means all your organs are on the wrong side of your body.

08:00.66
alexei sayle
And it turned out that ho young hospital doctors don't watch soaps on TV, and they looked at each other and said, how the fuck did we miss that? is it

08:13.75
alexei sayle
I said, no, no, it was, I said, no, i was acting.

08:16.51
Talal K
It's my job. I'm acting.

08:20.57
alexei sayle
And then a bit later on, I told another, and was having some um painful so surgery, painful procedure. And I told him the doctor, the reason I i was so stoic was that I was in the SAS.

08:34.10
alexei sayle
Then he asked me later, but he said, were you in the SAS? I said, no.

08:39.99
alexei sayle
And that was just week day one of the hilarity of me being in paralyzed and going blind and being the neurological hospital.

08:50.20
Talal K
Oh, God.

08:52.44
alexei sayle
ah But I recovered.

08:52.62
Talal K
Oh, man.

08:53.40
alexei sayle
But I think I did a video for sufferers sarcoidosis. Actually, my friend Andy Gill of the Gang of Four, it was actually, I mean, it can be quite serious. It's one of the things that killed him.

09:04.63
alexei sayle
can I've got a type that seems to care, break out every 30 years or so.

09:10.26
Talal K
Oh, God. Do you get the...

09:12.63
alexei sayle
And he had it permanently, so it meant that he had to take um steroids and that, course, you know, as ah as an effect on, you know, a very deleterious effect on your ah and your body, really.

09:25.30
alexei sayle
So it didn't do him any good. But Arlequin syndrome, the other thing, yeah well, I complain, we'll ignore that for now, maybe if anybody.

09:29.85
Talal K
Did anyone?

09:35.06
alexei sayle
But Arlequin syndrome, I sweat in um in patches, if never noticed this, that if I have a curry... I sweat on a certain part my head and if I'm like exercising I sweat on a different part of my head

09:46.48
Talal K
I've not noticed.

09:47.62
alexei sayle
No, was sweating weird patches. But my friend Chris Walker, she also, it's very, very rare, but my friend Chris Walker has Harlequin Syndrome as well. She only sweats from underneath her chin, so if she's somewhere very hot, she just sweats just like huge.

10:04.27
alexei sayle
All the sweat that would normally be um all over ah over your body, it just comes out of her chin.

10:07.84
Talal K
It's all just channels.

10:11.80
alexei sayle
it's very... um But the doctors were very, ah she was very, and she lives in Oxford, and um for a long time she would go into the Radcliffe Hospital and they would coat her in flour and butter in an oven and then heat her up to see where she sweat.

10:14.42
Talal K
Sorry to laugh.

10:31.08
alexei sayle
Chris Brasher, I think it was, that for the four-minute mile athlete, was a doctor at the hospital at the Radcliffe, I think, in Oxford. Yeah, she'd be naked, covered in flour, and then they'd heat her up to see what she was, with 14 different herbs and spices.

10:40.57
Talal K
So like wherever the little crumpet

10:46.94
Talal K
and then she'd get

10:52.09
Talal K
And a little crumpet would grow out of her chin.

10:54.62
alexei sayle
ah sure oh Yeah, so so it's it's a weird coincidence that two people have got a Harley Quinn.

10:55.78
Talal K
Nigga, that's the spot.

11:00.94
alexei sayle
It might be something to do with being a Maoist and liberal in Liverpool in the 60s. It's like all them people, that John Ford, John Wayne movie that was made um come in somewhere where that there'd been a nuclear test, and so everybody got cancer on that movie.

11:21.08
alexei sayle
John Wayne included and died so maybe there was something like that to do with being a Maoist in Liverpool in the 1960s who knows

11:35.76
Talal K
It's fucked up.

11:37.78
alexei sayle
yeah yeah oh my auto autoimmune conditions oh the John Wayne movie I don't know why I'm sure I'm sure the listeners know which one it was

11:43.78
Talal K
No, that John Wayne movie thing you just casually dropped.

11:50.87
alexei sayle
it was I think it was Death Valley or somewhere else where there'd been, presumably in Nevada, there'd been a nuclear bomb set off and everybody died.

11:55.90
Talal K
Oh my God.

12:00.86
alexei sayle
I mean, you have to say John Wayne was a pretty unpleasant person, but still.

12:08.06
Talal K
So Alexi, we've had a new prime minister for almost a week, for five days.

12:08.06
alexei sayle
He didn't deserve that. Yes, hello. Yeah.

12:17.91
Talal K
um I've been a in a whole world of DIY and painting and decorating, so I've not really been in the loop. Can you catch me up?

12:28.31
alexei sayle
Sure. I did all that, didn't I, Andy Bairnham? No, he just lightly grilled them.

12:33.21
Talal K
We did all that, yep.

12:34.46
alexei sayle
Yeah, I've done all that.

12:37.00
Talal K
And we had quite a few good good good additions on the YouTube comments.

12:37.18
alexei sayle
Nobody else seems to have. Yeah.

12:41.45
Talal K
So well done, everybody, on that.

12:42.14
alexei sayle
All right. Okay. Okay.

12:44.12
Talal K
um But we've only spoken to him last about him last week.

12:44.86
alexei sayle
um

12:49.18
Talal K
So how how let's do a performance review.

12:53.98
alexei sayle
All right. Well, I mean, I was hoping that, you know, I mean, that we were done with the Labour Party, that, you know, under Starmer, they were, you know, they were headed for extinction, really, that the Greens were going to take

13:11.51
alexei sayle
all their votes and councils and everything, and the Labour Party was going to be consigned to the dustbin of history, which it should be. um now but it's the fucking thing it's i mean i suppose that's one of its its qualities is the fucking thing manages to kind of reinvent itself um i think that andy bernham will eventually be i don't know but i think will eventually be a disappointment because he's in hock to the same dark forces ultimately as starma was i mean he's obviously a much less vile i mean people reacted to the awfulness of starmas

13:47.96
alexei sayle
personality that he was just he's just the most unpleasant character i know and suppose bernham's a bit less factional but you know he's the end of the kind of morgan mcsweeney era of of of of of deliberately targeting left-wingers but nevertheless i mean i think john healy is um

14:08.63
Talal K
Yeah.

14:11.13
alexei sayle
a Chancellor is a bad sign. That's somebody... looks like an orc. Is that one of those things in in the... and Tolkien and, you know, his right wing and in hock to the defence establishment.

14:29.82
alexei sayle
um he um Leaving Shabana Mahmood as Home Secretary implies that they will carry on with the persecution of of Palestine action and, um you know, will do nothing about the horrific court sentences that were handed down to the Filton Six.

14:47.96
alexei sayle
so And also, I think today, the um the feltton the the KC, Rajiv Menon, in court under the contempt of...

14:58.94
alexei sayle
He's been and the first time in all of history that a barrister has been charged with contempt of court for what he said when he defended Palestine Action, which was that they said he implied that the court was biased in terms of Elbit systems.

15:13.27
Talal K
Yes.

15:14.31
alexei sayle
and Well, duh...

15:17.59
Talal K
Yeah.

15:18.87
alexei sayle
ah You know, I mean, when Palestine Action was banned, before it was, the only people who were invited to were to consult about it by Yvette fucking Cooper were Albert Systems and the Israeli embassy. Nobody from Palestine or Palestine Solidarity or Palestine Action was ah invited. So, I mean, yeah, clearly this law has been done to um benefit elbert systems and the israeli weapons industry and you know these genocidal state of israel um but rajiv menon has been um prosecuted for saying that and it's a it's a it's a really it's a really dangerous road that we're going down really if bernam

16:08.96
alexei sayle
allows this to happen, then really he is just... It's another step towards fascism and and all this... You can keep all your fucking £2 bus fares, but, you know, that's... Barristers being prosecuted for telling the truth, I think, is is a much more dangerous thing. So that would be my one-week review of Andy Burnham.

16:34.17
Talal K
Where Streeting has joined his cabinet as defense secretary.

16:37.21
alexei sayle
Yeah, well...

16:40.41
alexei sayle
Yeah, well, that's also another, you know, so there's that line from, well, that poem that was written for me by Tom Wyman, but i that was my line, that West Street looks like Starmer's son who he made out of margarine.

16:53.43
alexei sayle
um I mean, he's tried to position himself as a left winger, but he's, you know, mean, close protégé of Peter Mandelson. um

17:04.52
Talal K
Raina's back.

17:06.04
alexei sayle
Yes, and she's back. I mean, she's another fucking two-faced monster. i mean, the Labour Party is, you know, I mean, as I say in my book, How I've Tried to Change the World by Walking Down the Middle of the Street Shouting, and available from September the 3rd, up Pre-Order It Now, launch event in London. and I think we're doing events. i don't know if it's been announced yet. We're doing events in Liverpool, Edinburgh, some other places.

17:34.04
alexei sayle
um ah You know, Lenin said, don't know, you know, can argue with some of the shit Lenin got up to, but he said that, you know, the Labour Party exists to dupe the workers.

17:49.11
alexei sayle
And I think that's true, the Labour Party's function within our system of democracy, in inverted commas, is to take the socialist impulses, which are very strong within the British working and class, the British people, and divert them um you know, away from socialism, partly if they join the Labour Party to tie them down in endless, tedious meetings.

18:12.59
alexei sayle
Point of order, a composite motion referred to the Executive Committee Mr Chairman, and um to tie them down and bore them, and, you know, yeah, or, and, you know, to delude the British public in the broader sense that

18:18.99
Talal K
Mm.

18:22.07
Talal K
Yeah, all talks and no bollocks.

18:29.43
alexei sayle
They are bringing in socialist policies when, in fact, they're the low leading us down the the road to repression and fascism.

18:30.28
Talal K
Mm.

18:40.54
alexei sayle
So, yeah, that's the Labour Party. I was hoping we were done with them. I mean, I suppose... I don't know. it been I don't know whether people will fall for Bairnham, will... um I think they will probably temporarily. in the Greens will go back to single figures, but um I imagine that... I hope that the shine will wear off that pretty quick.

19:07.54
alexei sayle
that Years ago, linda's when Linda was doing philosophy, i don't know what he was talking about now, but I think lynne somebody mentioned that you know a theory, a kind of a philosophical theory that was being long discredited, and the lecturer said, yeah, they're taking the furniture out of that office.

19:30.33
alexei sayle
So I always thought it was great. ah Great. So I hope hope they'll be taking the furniture furniture out of the out of Manchesterism. be Before too long and before it's too bleeding late.

19:45.07
Talal K
I had to double take here thinking Boris Johnson was in his cabinet, but it's Angela Eagle.

19:53.79
alexei sayle
Ugh, the lesser of two eagles. Well, she's a fucking... I mean, she was an early... One of those... um Those lies about Corbyn, the case of Angela's brick, which was one of those early, entirely concocted...

20:09.24
Talal K
Oh, God, I remember that.

20:10.61
alexei sayle
yeah And it was done so... Because her constituency party was pro-Corbyn, it was done deliberately. They pretended that a brick had been thrown through the window of Angela Regan's constituency office in Birkenhead.

20:25.72
alexei sayle
And the Merseyside police... um you know, proved that there was no, it was literally no window and no brick. But nevertheless, the Starmer, they used it, I think with the Corbyn, but they used it because they the right wing controlled the disciplinary, they used it to suspend the part, the constituency Labour Party in Bergenhead because they hated Angela Eagle so much.

20:54.06
alexei sayle
and wanting to get rid of her. And so they they concocted, the press concocted this bleeding story of Angela's brick, which was 100% alive. You'll probably still see it, you know, you'll still be able to see as if it was true.

21:10.39
alexei sayle
um ah

21:12.34
Talal K
I just Googled it and there was no sign of it not being true. Yeah.

21:16.25
alexei sayle
Yeah, it's a complete lie. It's 100%

21:19.19
Talal K
Wow. The length is going to um Chris Bryant's headshot looks like someone stuck a probe up this, but it's

21:23.61
alexei sayle
Yeah. ah Yeah, he's another hateful character.

21:32.22
Talal K
Secretary State for Northern Ireland. I don't know who Alex Norris is. Very boring face.

21:36.95
alexei sayle
No.

21:38.34
Talal K
Stephen Kinnock. From Wales.

21:42.08
alexei sayle
Git.

21:44.28
Talal K
um Ellie Reeves, Attorney General.

21:48.62
alexei sayle
Don't know, i probably a gi

21:51.99
Talal K
Housing Minister Matthew Penny Cook.

21:54.94
alexei sayle
I don't know.

21:56.09
Talal K
Not sure. Most of them. And Miata Van Bulla, Energy Secretary.

22:01.62
alexei sayle
Some people like her, but I don't know. She's in the Labour Party.

22:04.46
Talal K
Lucy. Lucy Powell, of course, education, secretary and reshuffled around as Ed Miliband.

22:08.79
alexei sayle
Fucking idiot. Fucking asshole.

22:15.48
Talal K
I didn't even know he was in the cabinet before.

22:15.83
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah, he was energy minister. or you should My phone sends me stories from the Daily Telegraph for some reason, and they done art they always hated Ed Miliband because he was a it was a you know a disciple of net zero and was trying to push it, really.

22:32.59
alexei sayle
It's just something the Telegraph thinks is worse than fascism.

22:37.21
Talal K
h

22:39.76
alexei sayle
He's a fool, I think, Ed Miliband. I've met him once or twice. I think he's an idiot. his father would be very disappointed in him.

22:47.94
Talal K
Why? Really? Oh, did they have a...

22:50.49
alexei sayle
His father was a leading Marxist. I mean, he's not as big a bastard as his ah his brother David, who's a complete shitbag. But, um yeah, I think his father would have been very disappointed in both of them, really.

23:03.44
Talal K
Interesting.

23:04.92
alexei sayle
Father Ralph was a a leading Marxist.

23:05.78
Talal K
Interesting.

23:09.47
alexei sayle
I when think Miliband was leading Labour Party, the male, one of their most disgraceful... um i mean, the father, Ralph, was a refugee from Nazi Germany, but the male did it.

23:22.06
alexei sayle
I mean, I think he was dead, by there the The male did a big hit piece entitled The Man Who Hated Britain, which was about Miliband's father.

23:22.80
Talal K
Oh

23:28.87
Talal K
my God.

23:30.43
alexei sayle
I mean, even by the male standards, it was despicable.

23:35.69
Talal K
Jesus Christ. and No need to mention Yvette Cooper. Jonathan Reynolds looks like a not David Mitchell. Webb.

23:44.47
alexei sayle
Yeah, he looks like a kind of a, like a lucky he commanded a motor yacht, doesn't he, really? You know, in the Solent in 1912. Yeah.

23:53.69
Talal K
Yeah, I can picture the hat on him. Yeah.

23:58.14
alexei sayle
Why do I know all these people?

23:58.42
Talal K
Bridget.

23:59.66
alexei sayle
I never used to. and never used days i used to be free.

24:01.04
Talal K
Yeah, someone who hates labour. yeah

24:04.56
alexei sayle
used to be free to think of, you like, flowers and, you know... cats and now my head now i have to know me out of fun bulleries mean it's terrible

24:14.84
Talal K
You know, I've been thinking about this, man. My 20s was so blissful. I was a stark raving idiot, but I was just... My political ethos was, why can't we all just get along?

24:30.84
Talal K
You know, it was just like, you know, even even regarding the Middle East and everything.

24:31.67
alexei sayle
ah well okay let me count the ways yeah

24:35.99
Talal K
um i was just so blissfully... I would even say neutral, just kind of like both siding everything and just...

24:47.06
Talal K
And not, but so not plugged in, ah completely unaware of everything. I'm not saying now I'm completely tuned in. I don't even, like I said, I don't know half of these people and I don't know how Burnham's been doing in his first week, but I'm more tuned in and care. I care more than ever.

25:03.50
alexei sayle
Mm-hmm. It's horrible, isn't it?

25:04.41
Talal K
and but Is it because shit's more serious or have I just matured? or Have we just got nothing else to fucking do?

25:09.50
alexei sayle
yeah Well, don't know. It's hanging around. I think, yeah, I think shitness shit is undoubtedly more serious. I think it's, you know, it's we're on the verge of a terrible darkness, I think.

25:21.37
alexei sayle
um ah So, you know, it's you're forced to. You know, the ins and outs of the stinking Labour Party, it's... i I blame Jeremy, really.

25:34.17
alexei sayle
When he was elected, I suddenly...

25:34.64
Talal K
Mm-mm.

25:35.97
alexei sayle
And i remember over lockdown, I read every book about the Labour Party, about his rise, like Alex Nunn's, the candidate, and there was a party called A Party With Socialists in It, which is about the Labour Party.

25:51.18
alexei sayle
And I read all the accounts of his lead his decline and fall, and the... the the book Maguire and Pogrun, the 20 Times journalist did um about, can't know what it's called, but about his rise and fall, which wasn't entirely sympathetic.

26:12.89
Talal K
ah yeah

26:13.04
alexei sayle
or you know I read all those. I devoured each and every one of them. And, you know, I'm much the worse for it, really. I'm a much sadder sad person for knowing this crap.

26:24.77
Talal K
I think you're right to blame Jeremy there. I went my whole life without ever connecting with a leader, a political, a politician.

26:32.86
alexei sayle
Yeah.

26:33.46
Talal K
And then to see a party leader who actually, i was like, oh, they can actually speak for us?

26:37.88
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. Briefly offered hope.

26:40.66
Talal K
ah they can

26:41.26
alexei sayle
Yeah.

26:42.52
Talal K
And then suddenly you realize that's what you want all the time. That's now the gold standard and anything else is...

26:47.67
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah. yeah I was very excited. i mean, I'm very excited by what's happening in the States, really, which i always thought the States was kind of completely fucked. But, um you know, the democratic socialism of America seems to be making it real inroads. And I don't know how Trump, you know, I mean, there's obviously a hideous character called Stephen Miller.

27:11.93
alexei sayle
you know, talking about left terrorism and that they may try and, you know, make voting left for left-wing parties illegal or whatever. But i mean, they're having tremendous success in various, um, in various, uh, Senate and congressional.

27:24.69
Talal K
Huh.

27:29.78
alexei sayle
I don't know what the American system, I don't know if there's a Senate, same as Congress. I don't know. um but, um,

27:35.75
Talal K
Are they really making any dents out in

27:38.39
alexei sayle
um Yeah, I think they are. Yeah, I mean, big i mean obviously Mamdani is the poster boy, but there's a lot of people following in his wake.

27:49.62
alexei sayle
And, you know, i mean this' I mean, it's also, despite, if you think of the vast amounts of money that Israel lobby plows into the United States, you know, 50% people in the United States think Israel is committing a genocide, 50 fucking percent.

28:06.52
alexei sayle
vast majority of of america of people in the United States don't want to finance Israel anymore. And that's huge, you know. Well, you know, and obviously the the Democratic Party is bought and paid for like the Republicans by the Israel lobby.

28:22.02
alexei sayle
So, you know, but they're, don't know how that's going to be.

28:26.30
Talal K
so it it

28:27.54
alexei sayle
that those These leeches going to be dislodged. But nevertheless, it's happening, you know.

28:34.46
Talal K
So is this and is this the reason why ah Trump recently started planting the seeds for for for voter fraud and stuff?

28:34.50
alexei sayle
it's very exciting.

28:43.13
Talal K
like you

28:43.22
alexei sayle
All that, yeah, and set talking about communism. and of Communism, I mean, for God's sake. um Yeah, I mean, they're a real threat, you know, they're real threat to the Israel lobby. and There's this...

28:55.74
alexei sayle
race in michigan between a guy called abdul out there this is for the democratic primary so this is just to say who the democrats are gonna put in the race between this a guy called abdul el-said and um a woman called hayley stevens and hayley stevens you should look at some footage as you use the

29:07.26
Talal K
their candidate, yeah.

29:18.95
alexei sayle
Maddest fucking woman I've ever seen in my goddamn life. But she's received support from AIPAC. And this is just a primary member. So this isn't an election. It's an election within the Democratic Party. AIPAC has pumped in something like $50 million dollars into this into attack ads against Abdullah Saeed.

29:39.29
alexei sayle
i dont and I hope it's not working. I don't know, because it did. I mean, they did that a few years ago with Corrie Bush and a couple of other people, and it worked.

29:41.75
Talal K
Bye.

29:48.82
alexei sayle
People, you know, because people don't get, you know, get believe believe attack ads when they see so many of them. I think it's... um I think it's working less now, but obviously it's younger people who get their information, not from legacy media, but and older people still believe this bullshit, but 50 million fucking dollars into a primary.

30:12.62
Talal K
Jesus. And that, so that's APAC pumping it into Haley's campaign.

30:15.68
alexei sayle
Um,

30:18.68
alexei sayle
Yeah, AIPAC and other, know. i mean, that what they've started doing now is some is's is's it's having these front organisations, Democratic Women for Change and stuff, with which is just AIPAC under another.

30:22.52
Talal K
So,

30:31.72
Talal K
How's this for a segue? It's like Hayley Stevens' political campaign is a Patreon account and APAC is their devoted podcast listeners. Listeners, if you want to be as supportive as APAC for us, head over to patreon.com.

30:47.00
Talal K
forward slash Alexi sale podcast. That's patreon.com forward slash Alexi podcast support the show. This is a really independent grassroots production, as you can probably tell, no marketing or word of mouth.

31:01.18
Talal K
But we still managed to put some exclusive content on the Patreon Alexi reacts to stuff. Hey, you speaking of shooting ranges, we've got a video up there of Alexi shooting guns, which is kind of weird.

31:17.25
Talal K
And we've got Alexi, Nigel and Lisa Mayer all watching The Young Ones, two episodes of The Young Ones and reacting to it.

31:17.69
alexei sayle
Yeah.

31:26.23
Talal K
We've got to more of those actually. um and And there's chat rooms, of course, you can join the chat rooms and get involved there. Lovely community we have.

31:36.92
Talal K
Please consider throwing us three quid a month at patreon.com forward slash Alexi's podcast.

31:41.14
alexei sayle
yeah Go on.

31:43.18
Talal K
In the description of the podcast, no matter where you're listening or watching, there are links to the Patreon.

31:48.05
alexei sayle
Christ.

31:49.45
Talal K
There's a link to pre-order Alexi's amazing book, How I Tried to Change the World by Walking Down the Street Shouting, out in September. Pre-order your signed copy today. And you can also find the link for our Roundhouse Camden comedy festival show with Diane Morgan on the 2nd of August. Please, please click those links. Have a think about it.

32:11.42
Talal K
Come and join us and support the show. um I was gonna say...

32:24.66
Talal K
blanked out. I had something in the middle of that that I reminded myself to say.

32:28.38
alexei sayle
but just what' got I mean, again, i mean it's to the internet, isn't it? But no. Apparently people from Michigan are called Michiganders. Which I didn't know that.

32:36.82
Talal K
Oh.

32:37.77
alexei sayle
course, it's got the largest Palestinian population in the United States. So that should help.

32:44.87
Talal K
Fascinating. um Well done, everyone who went out on the 18th and protests, protested.

32:53.75
alexei sayle
I did. big march actually thought it was going to be small but it was that on the the march last saturday yeah no it was it was really big i was uh i was surprised yeah yeah

32:55.70
Talal K
And you did a.

33:01.21
Talal K
Oh, that's.

33:07.12
Talal K
I saw. i saw, unfortunately, was bloody shooting all weekend. I couldn't make it.

33:13.37
alexei sayle
oh that's right you and your mates are making a film do you want to talk about that or you want to let it save it for a later date

33:17.53
Talal K
ah and We're not going to be editing for a while, but yeah, me and mates made a film over the weekend. We shot it. There's still a lot of editing and post-production to do.

33:28.79
Talal K
So watch this space. I'll let you all know when it comes out.

33:30.49
alexei sayle
Yeah.

33:31.59
Talal K
Yeah.

33:32.50
alexei sayle
Oh, I can talk about I've got a couple of projects.

33:35.80
Talal K
yeah

33:36.86
alexei sayle
um I mean, this coming up in the autumn. One is, um ah for years, it's a really interesting idea that ah I've been toying with for years. I was going to make a, try and write a film about it, but couldn't. Liverpool.

33:54.30
alexei sayle
in the 20th century, had the by far and away the finest collection of orchids in the world.

34:05.53
alexei sayle
I think William Roscoe, the the kind of founder of Liverpool, a way, had been instrumental, I can't remember, but also sea captains and stuff would bring orchids.

34:05.69
Talal K
Oh.

34:14.67
alexei sayle
So there was this... They're obviously very delicate, and so it they were kept under glass in heated... um kind of heated buildings. and then But then when um militant came into power, they were obviously faced with swinging, you know, better to break the law than break the poor. They were faced with springing swinging cuts from the...

34:38.84
alexei sayle
um Thatcher government. And so, and also, I don't know, I mean, I think, I mean, there's a kind of, I mean, there's something to talk about in the program, really. I'm i'm doing an archive hour for Radio 4 about it, but they, you know, it's that militant, that kind of left-wingism that really only thinks about kind of concrete things and has got no place for something delicate and beautiful like an orchid. Or maybe I'm being unfair to militants. i mean, it's one of the things I think I'll i really want to talk about on the, um,

35:10.87
alexei sayle
on the program But anyway, they ah closed down the orchid house.

35:18.14
Talal K
Shit.

35:18.26
alexei sayle
But the men who looked after the orchids, who spent their lives looking after the orchids, didn't. And this is my understanding. I mean, that they wouldn't accept And what they did was they took the orchids they home with them. So they filled their houses with orchids and sort kept them alive until...

35:36.44
alexei sayle
Militants had gone and in slightly better times had... Well, not necessarily better times, but you slightly more money had returned to Liverpool and they were able to to open the um

35:43.54
Talal K
Okay.

35:48.95
alexei sayle
open the ah the Orchid House again. and so I mean, again, I can't remember its years since I researched it, but I think it'll make a really interesting programme. Anyway, I'm making that in the autumn for Archive Hour and Radio 4.

36:03.35
alexei sayle
and also they pe the guys behind um Strangers on a Train, which i the the more I think about the more annoyed I get that it got cancelled.

36:16.09
alexei sayle
But I've been talking, we were just talking about, know, my father was a witness in the A6 murder trial, the as which was the trial of a man called Hanratty, who was the last man to be hanged in Britain.

36:31.73
Talal K
Jeez.

36:31.76
alexei sayle
And my father was a prosecution witness. And it's widely thought that Hanratty was innocent and was fitted up. But it it affected my father quite badly, really.

36:40.34
Talal K
Did your dad think he was innocent? Okay.

36:43.19
alexei sayle
I don't know. honestly don't know. We didn't really talk about it. but um So anyway, we're going to make a film of, just off our own bat, really make a film about, not really about the, you know, whether or not Hanratty was innocent or guilty, but really start with my father's story and work out from there.

37:08.43
alexei sayle
So we're going to be doing that in the autumn as well. And, you know, interest it.

37:11.58
Talal K
Wow.

37:13.24
alexei sayle
and

37:14.94
Talal K
That's awesome. So that that'll be a narrative film, not a documentary.

37:15.80
alexei sayle
It was a kind of documentary.

37:20.42
Talal K
Oh.

37:20.60
alexei sayle
I mean, the way peter wants Peter Lowe, the producer, director, wants to shoot it is to start it to do an hour and a half interview with me talking about what I can remember. Because I can remember it's in my first volume of memoir.

37:32.60
alexei sayle
I can remember... I actually opened the door to the, to the policeman, the door went, went and I opened it. the room mean There was just these two. I mean, I was, would have been nine at this point in 1961.

37:45.34
alexei sayle
These two giants in trench coats and trilby hats. My memory. And these were detectives who wanted to, you know, it's your dad in. And we thought it was, you know, thought was MI five finally coming in for us.

38:00.30
alexei sayle
But, um,

38:00.50
Talal K
Oh, of course, yes.

38:02.97
alexei sayle
Yeah, so they and they were shown into the front room, you know, which was kept for visits by policemen and so on.

38:15.45
alexei sayle
exclusively for the use of... And, um yeah, that was the start of it, really.

38:17.85
Talal K
So an hour and a half interview with you. ah sorry.

38:20.86
alexei sayle
And then, yeah, i mean, obviously not not use all of that, but, you know, it's only going to be like a 25-minute film, but it's just about the...

38:24.76
Talal K
Yes.

38:28.47
alexei sayle
the social i like a social history you know what britain was like then who henry was why he was probably fitted up for the murder and hung yeah there's something i've never really talked much about you know hey

38:47.35
Talal K
the murder of whom may i ask the murder of whom may i ask

38:53.59
alexei sayle
ah Well, ah I don't know. remember his name. um there was There was a couple who were both married but not to each other, and they were having sex in a lay-by on the A6 in Bedfordshire, I think.

39:08.25
alexei sayle
The woman was called Valerie... can't remember. So the guy was shot. The woman was raped and then shot five times but survived.

39:22.46
alexei sayle
And a man confessed to it quite convincingly, but they were determined to hang and ratty, really. So um that's kind of what happened.

39:33.18
alexei sayle
But I mean, the police were, as opposed to now, I suppose, but the police were tremendously corrupt back then.

39:34.51
Talal K
What are we not talking about?

39:40.92
Talal K
So this isn't Gwyn Evans and Peter Allen.

39:46.97
alexei sayle
the... no the

39:48.76
Talal K
The last men to be hanged is, you know, what?

39:51.42
alexei sayle
No, the last man to be hanged was Hanrati.

39:59.11
Talal K
Hmm.

40:01.15
alexei sayle
Yeah.

40:01.23
Talal K
Hanratty.

40:03.00
alexei sayle
yeah

40:07.05
Talal K
Oh, Hanratty.

40:12.77
Talal K
Oh, my God, there's so much here. That's fascinating stuff.

40:15.45
alexei sayle
Yeah, I didn't really realise that it's a huge industry about Hanrati. um anyways, you know, I've got that personal connection with the, with the case.

40:31.64
alexei sayle
So yeah, it should be really exciting. i mean, really interesting piece of work. and We're going to do that towards the end of the year. Yeah.

40:39.91
Talal K
It's brilliant. Lots to look forward to and a fucking book and a big show at the Roundhouse.

40:44.18
alexei sayle
And the book and a big tour. And I'm doing, yeah, I'm doing festivals up and down the country and

40:49.56
Talal K
I would love to, when you're up in Liverpool, if we can get you there for for like three days and then maybe we could do a live a live podcast in Liverpool while you're up there.

40:58.65
alexei sayle
Yeah. What happened with that we were going to do, weren't we, in Tube Rock? We never did that, did we, in the end?

41:04.66
Talal K
I really wanted that to happen. Sometimes, you know, best laid plans, et cetera, et cetera.

41:06.39
alexei sayle
Yeah. Yeah.

41:09.97
Talal K
You know, life fucking happens, man. I don't even remember what went wrong with that.

41:13.43
alexei sayle
Yeah.

41:14.23
Talal K
ah But um lots to look forward to. I'm working a lot over this summer as well.

41:20.25
alexei sayle
yeah

41:23.10
Talal K
And that kind of stuff is going to be hopefully uh public knowledge in the autumn as well um so i need to make a note and let people know about scheduling over the next couple weeks because

41:39.41
Talal K
it's a it's a funny one so this weekend this podcast drops the one you're listening to right now but then next week we're doing two live shows rope tackle and roundhouse so likely next weekend you're going to have the rope tackle show to look forward to on the podcast feed.

41:58.23
Talal K
The weekend after that, well, you know what? Because then we'll have the Roundhouse in the bank. But so, yeah, but two weeks after Roundhouse, I'm going to be at Boomtown Festival playing my returning character.

42:06.61
alexei sayle
I'm going to fucking take a week off.

42:14.54
Talal K
I'm one of the main characters at this kind of really fun dance music and immersive theater festival called Boomhouse in Winchester. Boomtown, not Boomhouse.

42:23.72
alexei sayle
Boom town, dickhead.

42:27.06
Talal K
So I might put the Diane Morgan episode out during Boomtown and maybe we'll squeeze in another regular show. But just know, listeners, that the scheduling is going to be a bit...

42:33.82
alexei sayle
All right.

42:39.10
Talal K
funny over the next couple weeks, okay? You will not be getting the usual studio podcast.

42:42.19
alexei sayle
Mm-mm.

42:45.07
Talal K
You'll be getting a couple of lovely live shows to listen to.

42:45.77
alexei sayle
Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.

42:48.79
Talal K
so But it might not be up-to-date political stuff and, you know, cutting satire that you're used to. um

42:57.09
alexei sayle
Ha.

42:58.17
Talal K
I think that'll do it for this week, Alexi.

43:02.94
alexei sayle
yeah i agree yeah i think i don't want to do a lexi reacts really that's not well that's not for this but

43:05.37
Talal K
Okay, thank you, everybody.

43:12.09
Talal K
It's a crazy time right now. Like I said, if you can watch, you're watching this on Patreon.

43:14.17
alexei sayle
yeah

43:16.53
Talal K
I'm covered in paint. I've done my back in and we're recording this late on a Friday. So I don't have time to, I need to get editing is the main headline here so that it comes out in the morning on schedule.

43:29.43
Talal K
um Love you. I'll see you next week in Shoreham, Lex.

43:32.29
alexei sayle
I love you too. Yeah, seeing shore, man.

43:35.51
Talal K
Looking forward to that.

43:35.90
alexei sayle
By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea.

43:39.22
Talal K
Sold out show.

43:41.54
alexei sayle
Fuck

43:43.45
Talal K
yeah I'll give you a lift home proper next time.

43:46.58
alexei sayle
Thank you, yes. Not than abandoning me.

43:47.70
Talal K
Last time I just dumped you in Brixton and went home.

43:49.04
alexei sayle
In the middle of the night.

43:52.22
Talal K
In the middle of the night. i felt...

43:56.35
alexei sayle
Ha ha.

43:56.44
Talal K
You made me feel terrible about that.

43:58.77
alexei sayle
Ah ha ha. Hello. My son's left me.

44:05.11
Talal K
but I'm such a dickhead. You're right. I'm selfish. I'm trying to be better.

44:12.06
alexei sayle
Good. All right. See you soon. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.