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guest that we have on today.

This is a man who's, honestly,

I am blown away.

When I first heard him in an interview

with my buddy Seth Holhouse, I was like,

okay, let me go look into his work.

And then next thing I know,

he's interviewed by Dr. Brian Artis,

who's been on this program.

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Logan has had him on a number of

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and everybody sings the praise of Morty,

I'm sorry, Morley Robbins,

and I'm so pleased to have him on

here today.

How are you doing, Morley?

Doing great.

Delighted to be here and look forward to

seeing what kind of trouble we can stir

up with our discussions.

Well,

I know it's going to be so much

trouble because we can't put this one on

YouTube.

We got kicked off.

We got kicked off in two weeks because

we had a guest bring up zinc,

an element on a periodic table.

And you talk a lot about the element

on the periodic table, as I understand it.

I do.

Well, Morley,

for all the people out there that don't

know who you are,

can you give them a background of who

you are and why you are so doggone

famous within this world?

I'm not sure famous is the right word.

Okay, thumbnail sketch.

I'm a pre-med retread.

I had designs of being a doctor when

I was in college.

I grew up in a very sickly family,

alcoholic mom who was a chain smoker,

manic depressive dad who had

schizophrenia.

My sister became a nurse,

so I was supposed to become the doctor.

until I found out how hard that was.

I still applied to medical schools and I

only got rejected by eighteen schools,

twelve in one day.

Not that there's any collusion in the

medical school industry,

but if you don't go to medical school,

you do the next best thing.

You go to business school,

which is what I did.

I got an MBA so I could become

a hospital executive.

and did that for twelve years and then

decided to go into consulting so I could

solve bigger and more complex problems all

over the country.

And so I did that for twenty years,

pulling a suitcase behind my back,

you know,

taking three or four flights a week.

It's a rough way to make a living.

It was very heady,

very intellectually stimulating,

very financially rewarding,

but it created a lot of stress in

my body.

and I developed what's called frozen

shoulder I couldn't pick my hand up above

my waist and so this goes back to

we're talking to and went to a health

food store that I had frequented for many

years uh and I explained what my problem

was they said oh you need to go

see Dr Liz and I said

I don't do witchcraft.

Just sell me some supplements.

I'm not going to go see it.

Because doctor and first name meant

chiropractor.

And I'm just like,

I'm not going to do that.

Because I was an allopathic brat.

And nothing changed.

I was miserable.

I couldn't sleep.

A lot of pain.

Went back two months later.

And the owner of the store was there

that day.

Lynn Bednar was her name.

And I explained what my problem was.

And she leans forward.

She says, Morley.

We love you.

Go see Dr. Liz.

So with my tail between my legs,

I go see Dr. Liz,

who at the time was a network

chiropractor,

which means she was working with nine

clients at a time.

I walked into her room.

I'm like, oh my gosh,

what am I getting myself into?

Well, suffice it to say,

there's a muscle in here in our TMJ

joint.

It's called the pterygoid muscle.

Dr.

Liz put on a little finger cut and

with the full weight of her body pressed

on that muscle, which was very painful.

But as she did that,

she was trying to meet the resistance of

the muscle to the pressure in her,

you know, touching it.

And as she did, my arm went up.

And I was like, oh, my God,

this is like a miracle.

I couldn't believe it.

This is the first time I've ever been

with a chiropractor.

I'm like, what is this all?

What's going on?

And she used a phrase I'd never heard

in thirty-two years of working in a

hospital industry.

She talked about an innate healer,

the healer within.

And I thought to myself,

I didn't say anything to her.

I said, if there's an innate healer,

why do we have millions of doctors around

the world?

And so I really set out at that.

That was March of two thousand eight.

I said,

I'm going to figure out who the innate

healer is.

And that's what the book is about.

The cure your fatigue is about the

importance of copper, copper metabolism.

thank you,

bioavailable copper in our body to address

a wide spectrum of issues.

And when I started this journey,

I thought, okay,

I'm going to be at it for just

a little while.

Well, that was years ago.

And I neglected to tell you the best

news.

Dr. Liz is my wife.

So she had quite an impact on my

being, as it were.

But the beauty of it is I've been

able to spend three hours a day,

seven days a week for

and i've read over twelve thousand

articles that's more than twelve thousand

doctors that you know and so i've amassed

a lot of information and by the grace

of god i have a very good memory

not perfect but pretty darn good and i

can sing sight chapter and verse articles

that i've read you know ten fifteen years

ago that have bearing on what we're going

to talk about today and i think it's

a a branch of

information that is not well known,

and it's not taught in medical school.

And I think the world of doctors,

I mean, if I had an automobile accident,

I'd want to have a doctor take care

of me.

If I have a nutritional problem,

if I have a chronic illness, no,

I wouldn't go to a conventional doctor,

because their MD degree,

which they think stands for medical

doctor,

really stands for mineral denialist.

They don't understand how the minerals

work.

They're very powerful.

They're the catalysts inside our body.

And anyone who works in farming

understands how important minerals are,

especially to the plants and the animals.

The part that I find wildly entertaining

are these very successful farmers who

raise amazing crops.

crop yields, amazing animals.

And when they get an ache and a

pain,

they go to see the doctor because they

believe in disease when in fact they know

it doesn't exist in the plants and the

animals.

And that I think will be part of

our discussion today and maybe going

forward is to help people realize that the

whole allopathic system is a scam and it's

a narrative.

And I came up with this concept many

years ago,

it was probably about ten years ago,

I was very active on Facebook.

And I just wanted to,

I wanted to stir the pot.

I wanted to see what people,

whether there was a pulse out there.

And I said,

because I had a very large following,

and I still do,

but this was at a very pitched moment.

I said, there is no medical disease.

There is only stress-induced mineral

dysregulation that causes metabolic

dysfunction.

And that phrase, when translated,

says when we get under stress in our

world,

we develop what's called oxidative stress

in our mitochondria.

And the energy production collapses.

And that's why the title is Cure Your

Fatigue.

It's cellular energy deficiency.

It's the cornerstone work of Douglas

Wallace,

who's a famous geneticist and biologist at

Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania.

And in his signature article in

scientific and clinical peers saying you

don't understand how energy is made and

and he really helped me galvanize the

whole premise of our philosophy which is

we ignore the enemies we ignore the

pathogens we ignore the toxins we ignore

the heavy metals which is where most

people are really freaking out about and

we're all about ignoring the enemies

ignite the energy

And the whole immune system runs on

energy.

And it's a completely different way of

thinking.

And really,

it's built around bioavailable copper and

its unique ability to regulate iron and

oxygen.

It's the only element on planet Earth that

can do that without creating static

electricity.

So it's a very different philosophy of

thinking.

It's a very different philosophy of

healing.

and it's been around now for about fifteen

years and it's helped thousands and

thousands of people around the world.

And it's been a lot of fun to

kind of challenge the status quo with a

whole different paradigm of thinking and

healing.

Well,

thinking about challenging the status quo,

well, let me back up.

I met some MDs as of late that

think MD stands for medical deity.

But I think I like your version of

it, too, because I think they both apply.

It's funny how a lot of these doctors...

they the whole notion of even talking

about minerals um i in fact i'm related

to one of them and he swore up

and down that you get everything you need

from your food but i've heard you speak

before has to the impossibility of what

that is in today's day and age especially

when they are spraying glyphosate on

everything out there morally you could

have knocked me over with a feather

When I heard you talk about glyphosate and

what it does to the human body,

I mean,

there is no way we're going to get

through all of this today,

so we're going to have to have you

back here for subsequent trips.

But right off the bat,

so many farmers and people that are in

the farm space are listening to this.

I want to ask you right out of

the gate.

I know you said that glyphosate kills more

than weeds, but from your perspective,

I mean, what is it doing?

What is that?

What is,

because they're telling us that copper

isn't necessarily good for us.

In fact,

there are some farmers out there telling

you copper away from your sheep and,

you know, it'll kill them,

but you're telling a very different story.

And somehow,

some way it seems to tie in with

glyphosate.

Well, it absolutely does.

And the world changed in the nineteen

seventies when Roundup was really

developed in its current use as an

herbicide.

You have to go back into the fifties.

Glyphosate in its original patent was

designed as a pipe cleaner,

industrial pipe cleaner to get rid of the

minerals in the pipes.

And it was just a quirk of fate

that someone happened to notice the runoff

from the pipe was killing the vegetation

outside the building.

It's like, OK, that's a serious problem.

But it's the seminal work of Don Huber.

He's a professor emeritus at Purdue

University.

In twenty twenty two,

he wrote this wonderful book on glyphosate

use in South Africa.

Like it's only a problem in South Africa.

Right.

It's a famous,

famous textbook that he wrote.

But in that book,

he introduces glyphosate.

a logarithmic scale of how quickly

glyphosate pulls minerals out of the soil.

That's an important thing to know because

you want the minerals in the soil to

nourish and to really stimulate the growth

of the plants.

So they then stimulate the growth of the

animals and then ultimately the humans.

in his logarithmic scale uh so just to

make sure people understand an earthquake

is measured on a logarithmic scale so an

earthquake of three yeah dishes rattle but

no one's hurt earthquake of twelve no one

survives because it's an order of

magnitude orders of ten every time you go

up a number so he applied that same

thinking to how quickly

Minerals are being pulled out of the soil.

So glyphosate pulls calcium and magnesium

out at a three.

Okay, that's quick, but not too bad.

It pulls iron and zinc out at a

nine.

pulls copper out at a twelve.

So what does that mean?

Well,

it means that copper is being chelated a

thousand times faster than iron or zinc.

And it's being chelated a billion times

faster than calcium or magnesium.

Now here's the challenge.

We can't relate to what's a thousand times

faster, what's a billion times faster.

When I was in college,

My mom was the executor of her dad's

estate.

He passed away when I was a sophomore.

And from the proceeds of that process,

she was able to buy a Mercedes sports

car.

And that's a sweet machine to have when

you're twenty years old, I'll tell you.

And I was driving that car in Florida.

Going down, ninety-five.

But I was going a hundred and forty

miles an hour.

Whoa!

Which was twice the speed limit.

And it was a very stimulating experience.

It was a wall of green going like

that.

And by the grace of God,

I didn't get caught.

Thank you, Lord.

And...

That was twice the speed limit.

Now, when I was a little boy,

a guy named Chuck Yeager, famous pilot,

he was an experimental test pilot,

he was in the X-Fifteen rocket.

And he went ten times the speed limit

when he broke the sound barrier.

That's ten times.

We don't know what a thousand times

faster.

We don't know what a billion times faster

is.

So what happens when you,

when you hear these numbers that are so

big,

they go right over our head and we

say, well, I don't understand that.

So it can't be very important.

No, it's very, very important.

And back in twenty eighteen,

There's a world-renowned scientist named

Stephanie Seneff.

Many of your listeners, I'm sure,

have read her material,

but probably seen her on podcasts with Dr.

Mercola or other people.

And we were at a conference,

but this particular moment was a breakfast

meeting,

and I was sitting right opposite her.

She leans forward and she says, Morley,

would you like to understand why

glyphosate is so hard on copper

metabolism?

And I just went,

I thought I had died and gone to

heaven.

And she started talking about aspects of

copper metabolism I'd never heard before.

So she's very well versed in all this.

And we've had subsequent conversations

since then.

But the thing is,

this is not being taught to doctors.

It's not being taught to scientists.

It's not being taught to farmers.

I've had three independent conversations

with soil agronomists about this very

subject.

And each time they say, oh, well,

what you're trying to propose is that

we're going to eliminate glyphosate.

I said,

that's exactly what we've got to do to

save humanity.

And they're like,

it's never going to happen.

I'm like, what are you talking about?

And I've looked at the battle maps to

see how much glyphosate use is being done

worldwide.

But what's happening now is

is we're into the third generation now of

people being exposed to this toxin.

And it was Jeremy Knowles,

who was then the chairman of the

Department of Chemistry at Harvard in

nineteen eighty seven,

wrote a very important article about

glyphosate and the shikimate pathway.

People may have heard that term before.

The shikimate pathway is what the

microbiome,

what the bacteria use for their

metabolism.

And we were told, oh,

this only affects the bacteria.

It's not going to affect the humans

because we don't have the shikimate

pathway.

Well,

our gut microbiome runs on the shikimate

pathway.

And so in his article,

there's seven enzymes that are used in the

shikimate pathway.

And copper knocks out one in four.

The very first enzyme,

the rate limiting enzyme is knocked out by

the copper chelation by glyphosate.

So they knew back in nineteen eighty seven

there was going to be a serious problem.

Well, here we are.

We're now forty years later.

We have a very serious problem.

And so people need to understand that

these mysterious ailments and symptoms

that they have are coming from this very

quiet,

elimination of a critical mineral and

other minerals as well.

But this one is coming out at a

rather prodigious rate and it's connected

to everything.

And that's not well understood as you

alluded to and pointed out that coppers

were told that it's toxic.

Well, let me give you an example of,

of how funny that comment is.

If you want to make energy in the

body,

you've got to have copper.

If you want to clear the exhaust,

the oxidative stress,

you've got to have copper.

If you want to move electrons in the

body, it's called reduction oxidation,

reducing chemicals and oxidizing

chemicals, just moving electrons,

you've got to have copper.

If you want to have color in the

body, hair color, skin color, eye color,

we're told that those are the only colors

that matter.

Actually, that's not true.

the heart is supposed to be red.

The liver is supposed to be brown.

The gallbladder is supposed to be green.

And the spleen,

which no one ever talks about,

is supposed to be the color of an

eggplant, a very vibrant purple.

And when I was sharing this with one

of my students,

because I teach a course in how the

body really works,

one of my students was a general surgeon.

She said, Morley,

I've never seen a purple spleen.

And what that means is if the organ

can't be the right color,

it can't emit the right frequency,

it can't do its job properly.

Color is frequency.

So color is really important inside our

body.

We have neurotransmitters.

you know, dopamine, noradrenaline,

things like that.

They're very,

very important for our day-to-day

activity.

You can't make them without copper.

We have what are called signaling

peptides.

You're probably not even familiar with

that term,

but there's forty seven hundred signaling

peptides in the human body.

I want to be technical.

It's four thousand six hundred ninety

nine.

I exaggerated.

Forgive me.

But the thing is,

most of those signaling peptides don't get

activated without one enzyme.

It's called the PAM enzyme.

And what does PAM stand for?

Peptidoglycine alpha-amidating

monooxygenase.

I get a dollar every time I say

it.

But guess where it's never taught?

It's not taught in medical school.

Guess what the rage is today?

Oh, I'm going to get peptides.

And people don't realize the scam that's

in play.

And when did peptides become really

important?

Forty years after the introduction of

glyphosate,

as it begins to ravage the availability of

minerals in the soil, plants, animals,

and humans.

There are things in our nucleus,

pretty important part of the cell,

called transcription factors.

You can't replicate the DNA if you can't

transcribe it.

Many of the transcription factors are

copper dependent.

Wow.

Also,

maybe there isn't such a thing as genetic

disease.

Maybe it's a nutritional deficiency

causing a transcription error.

Maybe.

There's stress enzymes called kinases.

And when they get tweaked because of heat

stress or some other mechanism of stress

in the body,

All metabolism changes by those kinase

enzymes because they phosphorylate things.

They put phosphorus on another chemical.

Can't do that without copper.

And finally,

forty-five percent of our connective

tissue, excuse me,

forty-five percent of our cells in our

body is connective tissue.

Wow.

tendons, ligaments, blood vessels, fascia,

all this connective tissue around our body

made by one enzyme.

It's called lysyl oxidase.

And in order to have connective tissue,

you need collagen for strength and you

need to have elastin for flexibility.

And what lysyl oxidase does is bring those

two proteins together like a zipper

So the tissue has strength, flexibility,

and ultimately integrity.

And so if you have a connective tissue

disorder,

it means you're copper deficient.

If you see anyone walking with a boot

They have a connective tissue disorder.

If you've heard of EDS,

Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome,

there are six different forms of it.

They're all connected to copper

deficiency.

So that's just an initial list of things

that copper does.

And yet we're supposed to believe,

and what's the three-letter word in the

word believe?

Lie.

We're supposed to believe that copper is

toxic.

Well, it's toxic to two things.

copper is toxic it's toxic to all

pathogens in our body and it's toxic to

path to profit says it all william take

it away so the obvious question is uh

how do we increase the copper in our

diet like is it something we can do

even if we explore into like um

like food supplementation like maybe

certain foods have higher amounts of

copper or are we stuck with doing strict

like uh pill supplementation and stuff

like that like how what's the best way

to get copper in our diet at this

point wonderful question that great

question here's where it becomes a

challenge um back in the eighties as

monsanto wanted to to um expand their

presence on the planet they came over to

europe

And the country that was most opposed to

glyphosate was France.

They didn't ban it,

but they were vehemently opposed to it.

So someone in,

in decided to study how did the French

benefit from that decision?

What they discovered in this study is that

of French citizens are peeing glyphosate

in their urine.

And so we live in a very different

world now where everyone's being exposed

because it's in the air.

table it's not just on commercial soil

people want to believe it's oh it's one

of those CAFO farms and you know I

don't have to worry about it it's not

not hurting me it's in the air now

it's all over the planet and so you're

asking a very important question how do I

begin to push back the tide of this

insanity and so historically the richest

sources of copper on the planet were organ

meats and

So shellfish, mollusks, snails,

great source of copper, believe it or not.

What do you always put snails with?

Butter, great source of retinol.

What we're going to find out is that

retinol is what makes copper bioavailable.

Really, really important.

Seeds and nuts, very,

very important source of copper.

That's where the copper is in resonance,

is the seeds and the nuts.

And the broad leafy greens,

collard greens, beet greens,

mustard greens,

they're just a very rich source of copper

historically.

And one of the main reasons why I

developed this protocol,

the root cause protocol, it's really,

it's mother nature's protocol.

I just dusted it off.

My whole goal was to increase the

production of a critical copper protein

called ceruloplasmin.

No one's ever heard of that.

Very few doctors know what it is.

They would have learned it in school to

answer one question on their boards as it

relates to Wilson's disease.

But it's a very significant protein in our

body.

It has a thousand forty-six amino acids.

That's a beast.

Insulin has forty-five.

We know how powerful insulin is.

So,

it has six to eight copper atoms inside

it.

No other protein in our body has that

kind of methylation.

It's enormously important.

And so,

the protocol was developed to increase the

production of ceruloplasmin in the body.

And to your point,

how do I do that?

Well, we've got in the protocol,

we have a series of stops and starts.

And what will surprise people is to learn

what we're telling them to stop doing.

stop taking calcium supplements stop

taking iron supplements stop taking

vitamin d only supplements they're not

designed for your well-being even though

there's this overwhelming monolithic

evidence in the science what what's the

one thing they never talk talk about

Vitamin A.

A and D need to be taken together.

They're a tag team.

Frick and frack.

Abbott and Costello.

You don't just talk about Abbott and not

talk about Costello.

But you've got to stop the ascorbic acid.

It's a very toxic chemical.

It gets all sorts of praise.

But back in nineteen forty eight,

when Holmberg and Laurel,

two Swedish physiologists who discovered

ceruloplasma, well,

they thought they discovered the Holy

Grail and they had.

And that's why Big Pharma has been trying

to deep six it ever since.

But in their in their signature article in

nineteen forty eight,

they very clearly in the very first page

of the article talked about how ascorbic

acid is.

denatures ceruloplasmin.

Well,

that's a fancy word for blowing up

ceruloplasmin.

So the copper comes out,

and then it's unbound,

and then we're supposed to be afraid of

unbound copper.

So what we've developed is this protocol

with not just stops, but starts.

And we encourage people to begin to

remineralize their water,

make sure they're getting minerals

wherever possible in their diet,

focusing on restoring strength to the

adrenal glands,

and then beginning to supplement now with

copper.

I was initially,

probably for the first ten years of the

protocol,

i wasn't pushing copper i thought what we

would get it in our diet until i

began to really study the ravaging effect

of farming chemicals and technically

glyphosate is the ninth most toxic

chemical on the farm i don't even want

to think about what the other eight are

but but the thing is we're at a

point william where we need to be vigilant

about the quality of the food we eat

you know

absolutely organic coming from

regenerative farms would be ideal but

we've got to supplement our diet because

the food the soil doesn't have the

nutrients that we need and therefore the

food and therefore the human doesn't have

it and so what we're looking at basically

is

restoring minerals and vitamins,

especially vitamin A, retinol,

that got drummed out of our diet after

Eisenhower had his heart attack back in

the fifties.

We've got to restore whole food vitamin C,

not ascorbic acid.

They're very, very different.

And we've got to restore real B vitamins,

not synthetic B vitamins from a bottle.

Those were

The B vitamins that people are so

conditioned to taking,

they are coming from coal tar derivatives.

That's not a way to get your B

vitamins.

And so people don't realize the bait and

switch that's been occurring over the last

few decades to wink, wink, vitalize us,

get us to take those supplements.

And in fact,

there's a famous exchange that took place

in the Food and Drug Administration back

in the,

I think it was the late eighties and

early nineties,

where they wanted to outlaw supplements.

And just do away with them.

And Dr. Kessler,

who was the FDA commissioner at that time,

No, no, we're not going to eliminate.

We want it just the way it is.

We want people being thoroughly confused

about what to take.

And that's exactly where we are now,

especially post-COVID.

People don't realize the misdirection,

the misinformation,

the confusion that's out there is very,

very high.

You all are probably witnessing it in your

conversations with your colleagues,

family members.

keep followers as well and people don't

know which way to turn and And all

we're trying to do with the root cause

protocol is give people a viable

alternative to the Internet chatter that's

out there and basically what what the

Internet has become is just a compendium

of gossip a compendium of opinion and what

what I chose to do is use it

as a search engine to find the source

of

articles the peer-reviewed literature to

find out how does the body really work

and so we're we're faced with the way

i characterize is we're best off if we're

eating an ancestral diet like weston a

price recommended back in the thirties

following his decade of research around

the world looking for perfect teeth and

that we can remineralize our body we can

revitalize our body

But I think in a post-glyphosate world,

we have to be extra vigilant and we

need the nutrients that we talk about

within the root cause protocol.

Morley,

before we get into the root cause

protocol, you brought up a minute ago,

the big thing right now,

because I listen to a lot of health

podcasts and stuff like that,

as you mentioned a moment ago,

are these peptides.

And then when I hear everybody talking

about something, I instinctively think,

okay,

maybe I want to kind of step back

a minute and examine this.

But right alongside it is this thing that

for a while,

because I remember hearing Gary Brecka

talk about it,

Were these gene mutations like the COMT,

the MRR, the MTFR,

how does all of that, I mean,

I'm talking about the gene because I think

you've already covered the peptide thing,

but are these gene mutations anything to

be concerned about,

or is it just you get copper, right,

everything kind of falls in line?

We would like to think it's that simple.

I don't know that it is quite that

straightforward.

But when we're talking about gene defects,

we're really talking about variants.

We're not talking about completely

unavailable gene expression.

It's really the expression of the gene

that's important.

And so one of my mentors got his

MD, PhD at NIH,

which means he's one of the smartest

chimps on the planet.

Very,

very talented people go to NIH to get

their education.

He had occasion to meet with Dr. Watson,

James Watson of Watson and Crick fame,

who got the Nobel Prize for the double

helix.

So they were having a private audience.

And so Dr. Watson said, okay, Russ,

what do you want to know?

And Russ said, well,

I really want to understand the immutable

concrete-like nature of genes,

to which Dr.

Watson burst into belly laughter and said,

oh, Russ, that's for the little people.

They're turning on and off all the time.

Now, that's not mainstream awareness.

People think that, oh,

my doctor says I have MTHFR and I'm

screwed for life.

Eh, no.

When you really study the whole process of

developing

the methyl folate reductase enzyme it's

copper dependent it's absolutely copper

dependent and so could it be that if

copper is missing the body's incredibly

efficient and starts to change and become

a variant it's not as as effective as

it as if it were still working with

the copper

COMT, methyltransferase enzymes,

have a copper dependency.

Oh, wow.

We're beginning to hear a theme here,

aren't we?

And so these critical genes are just signs

of the hierarchy of where copper is in

our body.

And MTHFR,

a lot of people are affected by that.

I have people doing the protocol.

They're feeling great on just the

protocol.

They don't have to take methylated B

vitamins or whatever the buzz is.

And so I'm very dismissive about the gene

issue.

Because we're not getting the full story.

The gene jockeys want us to believe we're

broken.

No, we're not broken.

We're just not well nourished.

And I think that,

and there's some very powerful research to

back it up.

And what I've learned about with the PAM

enzyme that I referenced,

there was big research done back in, uh,

two thousand ten and twenty fourteen at

the University of Connecticut,

where a husband and wife team had been

studying

that enzyme for forty-five years.

One enzyme.

It had funding for forty-five years.

There's a story behind that.

And so they spent twenty years at Hopkins,

twenty-five years at UConn Medical Center.

Get it?

UConn?

Get it?

But they had two different graduate

students test how copper-sensitive the PAM

enzyme is.

And so what they did is they created

genes that were haploinsufficient,

which would create a defective expression

of the gene.

And they had rodents that were withheld

copper in their diet.

So both students did independent research,

but they were basically doing the exact

same research.

And so they had haploinsufficiency.

and copper deficiency.

And the expression of the PAM enzyme was

identical.

Then they did something that no one had

ever done before.

they fed the rodents copper to see how

it would change their expression.

And both the copper deficient animals and

the haploinsufficient animals had perfect

expression of the PAM enzyme.

Wow, what a change.

Another side of this is they've done

experiments to see what genes are turned

off and turned on by copper deficiency.

There's a holy grail around that research.

I've identified twenty-five different

genes that have altered expression just by

changing the availability of copper in the

diet.

And yet they would tell you that, oh,

all of those genes are defective now.

No, they're just hungry.

And so I don't want to leave people

with the impression that, oh, yeah,

just take copper and everything will be

fine.

But don't fall prey to this idea that

you're broken because you have an

expression of COMT or variant of COMT.

And so people need to be alert.

emboldened by this message that, wow,

you mean the quality of my diet,

the quality of my supplements can help

restore my expression?

Absolutely can.

And the other thing we've got to deal

with is the stress.

People are still waiting for the other

shoe to fall from COVID.

Everyone's kind of lurking around

wondering what's next.

And that's not a healthy way to live.

And the dilemma we've got is that when

we're under stress,

Do you all know anyone who's under stress?

Like everyone on the planet, right?

So when we're under stress,

there's a hormone that gets released.

Everyone's all keyed up about bioidentical

hormones.

Oh, my testosterone, my estrogen,

my progesterone.

But no one's talking about hepcidin,

H-E-P-C-I-D-I-N.

one of the most powerful hormones in the

body.

And what does it do?

It shuts down iron recycling.

And then we got a problem.

As iron gets sequestered and stored within

the tissue, it festers.

And by festering,

I mean it creates oxidative stress,

which means energy production drops,

which means I've got fatigue at a cellular

level and things don't work right.

Do your cell phones work when there's no

energy?

No.

And so those forty seven hundred signaling

peptides, they don't work without energy.

And so there's a lot of communication that

needs to take place inside our body.

And it's dependent upon signaling and

energy and the elimination of oxidative

stress.

And so people need to realize that, yeah,

you can have these variants,

but you can also have a normal life

as well.

And you just need to be disciplined about

moving beyond the pablum that you find on

the internet

get to a higher level of information

that's talking about how the body really

works,

not how they want you to think it

works,

and give people the opportunity to take

control of their health.

Because I can assure you that our

ancestors didn't have an ologist for every

part of their body working with them.

They didn't have the time or the money

for that.

They made sure they had good food and

they dealt with their stress.

And so I think we're

Dealing with the exact same challenges

today,

but it's harder to find real food and

the stress is unrelenting.

And people need to realize that that

stress is creating oxidative stress.

The minute you perceive you have stress in

your world,

you have oxidative stress undermining your

energy in your body.

And the immune system begins to just auger

down and it can't respond to the threat,

whatever it might be,

when there's a low energy response.

Wow.

So does anything like that?

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Yeah, it totally makes sense.

Yeah.

All right.

Is there any benefit to using like copper

cups or pans or bracelets or anything like

that to increase the amount of

bioavailable copper in your body?

Or is that just useful in other ways?

Well,

you're not going to do any harm by

using those utensils or bracelets or

whatever.

But you're not going to restore

physiological levels of copper.

So to put it in orders of magnitude,

In the nineteen thirties,

they were very meticulous about studying

diet and what were the nutrients found in

the diet back in that era.

And what they discovered is that people

were getting four to six milligrams of

copper per day just in a natural diet,

standard diet here in North America.

By the nineteen sixties,

that number had dropped to two to five,

not a big drop, but a drop nonetheless.

And today, the RDA,

recommended daily allowance for copper,

is .

nine milligrams per day.

Wow.

I mentioned my grandfather, Dada.

He was born in a farm in Frederick,

Maryland.

He was a very vital guy.

I'm now seventy-three.

He was seventy-two the day I was born.

And I have this vivid memory of when

I was twenty years old.

This was about a year before he passed.

he had a big hill on his property

that always had weeds.

So we had to go out on the

hill and pull the weeds.

And I'm just aching and just complaining

about how hot it is.

And Dada was like a machine just pulling

the weeds out.

And he's just looking at me like, oh,

my gosh, what happened?

And so now I'm his age,

but I'm revitalized.

And now I know where his energy was

coming from.

And people don't realize how different

life was two, three, four generations ago.

and how resilient our ancestors were.

What does resiliency mean?

It means we're able to make energy in

the face of stress.

Now what happens when we're stressed out?

We cave, we collapse,

we can't respond because we can't properly

mineralize our mitochondria to do their

job.

And so I think it's important for people

to realize that the blueprint that runs

our body

loves energy it really digs energy and and

we've got to step back from this idea

that we're broken no we're out of balance

and our diet isn't right our capacity to

deal with stress isn't right and we've got

a lot of stuff being thrown at us

i'm not denying that

But I think even with all of that,

our body has this, I think,

limitless capacity to fillet the stuff

that they're throwing at us.

But it takes discipline.

It really takes discipline.

And this idea that suddenly we're going to

solve our problems with peptides or stem

cells or whatever the intervention du jour

is,

That's not successful thinking because

they're going to go out of favor.

And those interventions are not

inexpensive.

And they work as long as you do

them.

But the minute you stop doing them,

you're right back to where you were.

And so I think it's important to

remineralize from within and not be

relying on external forces like a cup or

a bracelet or some other technique that

might be in play.

Morley, to that point,

we live in our number one export in

this country,

and a lot of folks don't know it.

Believe it or not,

it's soil that goes down to the

Mississippi every single year.

We have no topsoil.

When Lewis and Clark did their thing,

there was ten feet of topsoil all over

this country,

which means we had biocomplete compost

down there.

We had legit stuff where people could

really feel like supermen and women based

on what they ate.

Well,

we no longer live in that world as

you described.

So let's maybe get into what you do

suggest in terms of the root cause

protocol.

It's one thing to identify the problems.

This is so much what I love about

your work is, you know,

it's the philosophy between William and I

that we never,

tell you about a problem without at least

proposing a couple of solutions at the

same time.

And you've done that very thing.

In fact, you've done a number of them.

So for all the people that are out

there realizing, okay,

I'm in a toxic world,

don't have enough copper,

where did they start?

What should they do?

Well, what I typically tell clients,

the very first thing I tell them is

go on an internet diet for a month.

Stop running to the internet.

And that's not an easy thing for people

to do today, as you can imagine.

Now AI is the rage.

Oh,

everyone's all excited about artificial

intelligence.

Well,

AI actually stands for always incomplete.

You're never going to get a good answer.

And what I've also done is flipped it

around and tell people what they need to

really be worried about.

It's not AI.

Be worried about IA,

iron accumulation in their body.

I encourage people to get out their

calculator right now and do the math.

Punch in your age and multiply it times

three sixty five.

So I'm seventy three times three sixty

five.

Got about twenty six thousand milligrams

of iron in my body.

This is not my formula.

This is the formula that all iron

biologists use around the planet.

Age times three sixty five.

Men are designed for five thousand

milligrams.

Women are designed for four thousand

milligrams.

And when you have a multiple four times,

five times,

six times what you're designed for,

it takes a toll on the body.

I look very differently today at seventy

three than I did when I was twenty

three.

And every change that's occurred,

I used to have red curly hair.

It doesn't look as red, does it?

But but the thing is,

All aspects of aging are caused by iron

accumulation, period.

Iron causes aging.

copper causes longevity.

And for the really sophisticated plant

farmers out there,

where is the copper hanging out in your

plants?

It's all in the new growth, right?

That's exactly where it is.

It's critical for the new growth.

And so when we were younger,

we had a lower iron content

and a fairly stable copper content.

And what happens as we age is the

iron just keeps rising and it overwhelms

the copper metabolism in our body.

Again, it's not my theory.

It's in the literature.

It's in volumes of the literature.

which is behind a Chinese wall,

because in universities,

they have two areas of focus.

They have the research side, Chinese wall,

medical classrooms.

And the doctors don't know to climb that

Chinese wall and get back to the research

that's being done down the hall,

proving that copper is essential for your

well-being.

So the other side of it, though, is

The meme that runs medicine on the planet

is you're anemic and you're copper toxic.

And that has a very powerful sway on

people.

I grew up to Geritol ads back in

the fifties,

watching What's My Line and Lawrence Welk.

Geritol,

that was the rage back then because

everyone had iron-poor blood.

Wink, wink, right?

And if I were Satan,

that's exactly what I'd want you to

believe is that you're anemic.

Well,

it turns out that there's two forms of

anemia.

There's...

absolute iron deficiency you've been in a

car accident or you've been in a gunshot

and you're bleeding out you are going to

be absolutely iron deficient but the vast

majority of anemia is called functional

iron deficiency and the body has an iron

recycling program so that every second of

every day we've been talking now for a

good long while but every second of every

day

We need to turn over two and a

half million red blood cells every second.

That's a lot of red blood cells.

And in the course of twenty four hours,

it's two hundred billion red blood cells.

Now,

what's fascinating about that is it only

takes twenty five milligrams of iron to

replace two hundred billion red blood

cells.

Twenty-five milligrams is so tiny.

It more than fits on the head of

a one-inch stick pen.

It's a very, very tiny amount of iron.

And the most important part,

which will shock you,

is to find out that twenty-four of the

twenty-five milligrams that you need every

day to replace two hundred billion red

blood cells,

which is only one percent of your blood,

by the way,

Twenty-four of the twenty-five milligrams

comes from this iron recycling system

that's run by copper.

Oh, I never heard that before.

And only one milligram is supposed to come

from our mouth, from our diet.

And what has medicine done?

They've flipped the narrative.

They want you thinking you need

twenty-four milligrams from your mouth,

and they don't talk about the iron

recycling at all.

It's very unsettling because it kills the

mean of your anemic.

And trust me,

the more iron you have in your diet,

fortified foods,

they're very prevalent in the

supermarkets.

The more iron you have in your diet,

the more iron you're going to have in

your body.

Even though you may show anemic on a

blood test,

so it's low on the blood test,

it's high in your tissue because the iron

recycling system isn't working right and

that's the that's the part that people

don't know about is that iron is slowly

accumulating every day while they're on

the planet and it's blocking the signaling

the metabolism the energy production

that's so critical

And so people need to be aware of

the fact that they've been fortifying our

food with iron since nineteen forty one.

during the Second World War was when

England, Canada, and the U.S.

started putting iron filings in the wheat

flour.

Wow.

Now it's eighty countries worldwide,

eighty countries.

It's over half the countries on the planet

are now fortifying their flours with iron.

Get it?

Get it?

Because you're anemic.

Get it?

Get it?

and people don't realize that all of that

the vast majority of that is because they

don't have adequate copper to ensure the

proper recycling of iron in the body

during that daily process and so iron has

a it's we can't live without it i'm

not i'm not saying stop taking iron

because we absolutely need it but we

copper is the general and iron is the

foot soldier

You don't need to be in the military

to know the difference between generals

and foot soldiers.

But if you're not really clear about it,

just read what Patton did back in December

of,

he changed world history by what he did

as a general.

And so the thing is,

we need that powerful force of copper to

regulate the iron.

And we can move in that direction with

our diet,

but then we can really close the loop

with the protocol.

And I think people just need to know

that we have much more discretion over

what we eat than we realize.

And we have to make choices.

We have to make some tough choices.

And one of the hardest things for people

to give up is their penchant for sweets.

Because what is sugar?

It's white iron.

Sugar has a capacity to increase iron

inside the body.

And that's a serious problem for a lot

of people.

I mentioned that some genes are turned on

and turned off.

But one of the genes that's turned off

by copper deficiency is a gene called

fetuin, F-E-T-U-I-N.

I'd never heard of it.

I imagine you haven't.

Your listeners are like,

what's he talking about now?

Well,

fetal A protein is really critical for the

signaling for the insulin receptors.

And in copper deficiency,

fetal A goes crazy.

And it disrupts the signaling for the

capture of insulin on the insulin

receptors.

What I'm trying to tell you is that

when you have a copper deficiency,

which most people have,

and a lot of people have blood sugar

issues, right?

It's one small gene that's being tweaked

by the lack of copper.

Oh,

it's an expression issue that's causing

type two diabetes.

It's in the literature from a study done

in nineteen ninety nine.

I was absolutely stunned by that when I

found it about six months ago.

And so now I'm on the prowl for

what are the other genes that are being

down-regulated or up-regulated?

And it's very tough information to find,

I can assure you.

The thing is,

what people need to realize is that the

body has incredible capacity to rebuild

itself,

to re-energize itself,

to revitalize itself,

when it's being given the proper diet,

base diet, and nutrients.

And I think it's something that is

certainly central to farming.

When you're feeding the soil so the plants

grow and you're feeding the animals with

the right nutrients,

it's all designed to optimize the health

and the vitality of the produce that

you're making.

Well,

we've kind of skipped the step for humans

and we've lost track of how important the

food is and how important the nutrients

are.

The challenge we've got is we're being

hammered daily with take this, take that.

And most of what's being recommended by

the internet is going to work against the

innate healing of the body.

And that's really the basis of the

protocol.

Well, on that point, good night, folks.

I want everybody to know that Michelle and

I are doing Morley's Root Cause Protocol.

You can go to his website.

But I highly recommend that you get a

book.

I even have the audio version of it,

folks.

And I think that's pretty cool how you

put a copper on the periodic table in

the beginning of your title there,

cure your fatigue.

So I can't even tell you how many

people out there I know that it's all

they can do just to put one foot

in front of the other right now.

And you definitely want to check out his

work.

In fact, folks,

I highly suggest you go there and get

all the resources that he has at his

website.

I mean, it's very inexpensive.

Most of it's free.

Yes.

So I would encourage people just to go

to the website is

therootcauseprotocol.com.

Go to the Resources tab.

in the resources tab you can request the

starter guide it's a sixteen page document

that'll get it's gonna explain the stops

and starts that'll get you started we give

away the answer we're not we're not

selling the starter guy we give it away

um but but what uh billy's talking about

is you you can buy the book it's

a it's a whopping twenty dollars on amazon

uh and when i get back from california

i'm gonna be

schlepping my way out to Asheville so I

can sign Billy's book.

And so he and William will have signed

copies so they can,

so then it's going to be worth twenty

dollars and a penny when I sign it.

But the thing is,

we have a lot of resources on that

website.

We have a whole product directory that

will tell people what products to use in

order to support the protocol.

You're going to have lots of questions.

There's a whole section that's Q&A on

questions that people have had over the

years.

This has been around the block for a

good long while.

We also have a community.

If you want to spend a whopping,

it's not even ten bucks,

it's nine ninety-seven a month,

you can become part of our community.

And then if you want to take the

training,

we'd love to have you in the class.

But the key is the information is there.

It is very well curated.

How do you spell curated?

C-U hyphen R-A-T-E-D.

Why did I start to do all this?

Because I'm a very curious guy.

How do you spell curious?

Same way.

And so I think it's important for people

to step outside the box of convention and

look at the dynamics of what you're

dealing with with fresh eyes.

and with a more copper-centric focus.

And for those people who like to get

their questions answered,

I always give out my email and my

phone number.

My email is just my first and last

name.

You've got it right there on the screen

at gmail.com.

And my phone number is area code eight,

four, seven, nine, two, two,

I get calls all day long,

all week long.

I'm happy to take those calls.

And we both learn something.

Invariably, when I'm talking to people,

I will learn about some nuance that maybe

I hadn't considered or will begin to

understand another way that stress is

playing out in their body.

But don't be bashful.

I'm very happy to answer your questions

and really hope to make this a regular

part of this program's dialogue is to get

people to be aware of this approach to

healing so you can begin to free yourself

from the medical system.

Because really what I'm seeking is medical

independence.

And so I'll leave you with one last

thought.

If you want to destroy the economy,

take gold out of the system,

which is what they did in and we

all know what happened.

If you want to destroy your computer,

take all the silver out of your

motherboard.

It won't work.

you want to destroy the human take copper

out of the diet and that's exactly where

we find ourselves those are the noble

metals copper silver and and gold they're

very very important in their own right but

don't think that this isn't an

orchestrated program to make you dependent

And what we're all about in the root

cause protocol is sovereignty.

We want independence.

And I think that's really what we're meant

to be and where we're meant to serve.

And hopefully,

it'll be of benefit to those who decide

to do this.

Well,

that's about as mic drop as it's going

to get, y'all.

Man,

go check out Morley's stuff over there at

the website.

We're going to have all the links down

below.

I'm sorry, Morley.

Sorry, man.

All you people look the same to me.

If you would, stick around.

Okay, I got you.

If you would,

stick around just for just a moment.

We're going to go ahead and end things

here.

I want to thank you so much for

coming on, and it's been such a joy.

As you can see, folks,

we're definitely going to have to have him

back for multiple trips,

and we've got tons of questions that we

didn't get to.

So until next time, stay alert.

Stay alert.

I'm going with the truth, truth, truth.

Feeling that just moves, moves, moves.

Listen to the earth, they've got us.

Black seeds of change,

watch the world spin.

From the smallest sprout to the harmony

begin.

In the cycle of life,

where the magic's alive.

Turn it to the beat,

feel the fire and thrive.

Go!