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Now,

the guest I got on here right now,

we tried to have him on before,

but there was a little bit of a

and it happens, y'all.

If you're in one time zone and somebody

is in another and you don't spell it

out very, very well like I didn't,

there can be confusion.

And that's happened like three or four

times.

You think I would wake up and smell

the coffee at this point, but it happens.

It happens.

And finally, we got him on here.

And he came highly recommended from my

homeboy, Hakeem Anwar from Above Phone.

He's out there doing a whole, I mean,

one of the most selfless dudes I've ever

met in my life.

So when he tells me, hey,

you need to check this dude out.

You need to get a hold of him.

You need to have him on the show.

Well, I definitely take Anwar's word.

And so, Sean,

Sean Hawkins from Cultivated Mind,

you're here with me, man.

How are you doing?

I'm doing great, really.

Thank you, Billy, for having me on.

And yeah, Hakeem's a really great guy.

He's definitely doing a lot of great work.

In fact,

what I'm doing here probably wouldn't

exist without his help.

So I appreciate you.

I appreciate Hakeem.

I appreciate everybody out there in the

wellness space.

There has been sort of this great

awakening, obviously, since COVID,

especially in the medical realm.

i'd say maybe the freedom realm has gone

a little bit back to sleep but uh

at least on the medical side of things

people are very aware of their medicine

their understanding that they need

healthier food and who doesn't it's just

kind of common sense so uh we're actually

going to be at the sovereign health summit

as well um in fact i just learned

about that whenever i was watching your

podcast and i was like you know what

that has to be a place that we

need to go to that's the type of

people we need to support so i can't

wait to see you there as well

Yeah, man, definitely.

This is definitely the crowd you're going

to want to be around.

Yeah, good to hear that.

Man, I don't even know where to start.

I got a list of things I wanted

to ask you,

but then when I heard you say the

freedom thing, my spidey senses goes off.

I'm like, okay, I don't know you well,

but I can tell by what you said

there,

you and me are going to get along

just fine.

And I totally agree with you.

The people that were once champions for

freedom,

have gone into the bottom of Plato's cave

again.

And it is astonishing to me how much

and how little they seem to care about

that part of things.

But like you said, it does seem,

in light of everything that's going on

right now,

that the people that are worried about

health because they have to,

because it's something they can't escape,

those people seem to be coming out of

the woodwork right now.

And it's people like you that are going

to make a difference out there.

Well, Sean, with that said, you know,

every...

Like I said,

if Hakeem gives an endorsement for

somebody,

I know him to be a man of

unimpeachable morals and integrity.

So when he gives a thumbs up on

somebody,

I know they got to be a good

guy.

So I don't know you well.

I have been using your products,

which we'll get to here in a minute.

But before we do, man,

why don't you give us a little bit

of your background?

Every superhero has an origin story.

Why don't you tell us yours before you

got into the mushroom space?

Yeah.

So really, I just started out, I guess,

like anybody else.

I did construction for a living.

I grew up working for my dad.

He had a roofing company and I was

slinging shingles up on the roofs for

about ten or fifteen years, actually,

before I kind of got into the office

space, did some general contracting.

Along the way,

I was gardening really as a hobby.

Wasn't something that was very serious

about.

I thought that I was going to be

a general contractor essentially for the

rest of my life.

And then I got into a pretty bad

car accident.

uh somebody ran a red light and then

i ended up hitting them i couldn't see

him there was a bunch of cars blocking

the view and um this kind of put

me into like a early midlife crisis i

guess and i'm kind of like well there's

no way i'm going to be able to

keep doing construction i got into a point

where my back was herniated i couldn't

even walk for almost a year i was

essentially like

holding myself up on a walker uh wondering

what am i going to do with my

future you know especially since the

person didn't really have the type of

insurance that's going to cover me for the

rest of my life and i started thinking

about well what can i do that not

only is going to be fulfilling but is

going to give me more of a foundational

hold on my life because i felt like

this one little incident sort of sent me

spiraling and I had no control over my

life anymore.

And I had to find the things that

would give me that control back.

Uh,

and I felt like farming and gardening were

so foundational to just creating

something.

Cause you,

you plant a seed and you see this

wonderful, glorious,

abundant harvest come from it.

And it's like almost comes from nothing,

just your, your attention essentially.

Uh, and I'm like something,

is part of this mechanism that I need

to dedicate my life to.

So I dove into really hydroponics was the

cool thing at the time.

So I started researching hydroponics,

got pretty deep into that,

did it for about seven years.

And somebody challenged me.

They were like, well, you know,

this organic is going to be better than

your hydroponics.

And I was so in my ego at

the time that I was like, no,

I can make something just as good as

your organic situation.

And

when we started doing some side-by-sides,

I realized, well,

it's time for me to fall off of

this Dunning-Kruger wave,

hit the floor and relearn everything I

thought I knew about permaculture or

organics and farming from the last seven

years.

Dove into,

Organics did the basic amendment thing

realize that's not going to work either

because you're spending so much money on

these organic amendments that it is not

feasible to have a farm or a garden

or a runoff market stand and make money.

You need something that nature is already

doing for you.

And that's actually when I stumbled across

Korean natural farming.

I thought I was going to honestly just

an advanced composting class is what I

thought it was originally.

And my mind was so blown from the

first day that I'm like,

this right here is God's blueprint.

This is what God created to make soil

so that we could have food and live

our lives.

This is like one of the foundational

pieces to understanding how we even got to

the point we're at with food on this

type of a scale.

essentially goes down to the microorganism

if you don't have biology in your soil

you're not going to have healthy soils and

korean natural farming teaches you how to

take biology from other places and

inoculate and incorporate that into your

farm very very quickly so you can do

this in a much shorter time than it

would normally take you to do just like

a normal

like permaculture situation where you're

doing your own composting.

It's more specific to certain fungi.

And as I've learned,

fungus is the keystone to everything.

If it wasn't for fungus,

we would not be here today.

So, of course, I dive into fungus.

And as it turns out,

not only is it healthy for your soil,

necessary for your soil, it's a food,

it's a medicine.

Mushrooms do a little bit of everything.

And along the way,

I've noticed it heal my friends and

family.

And as I started this company,

I've started getting more and more

reviews,

more people talking about how it's helped

them.

And the path is really clear.

And this is really what I'm probably gonna

be doing for the rest of my life.

So this is where we're at.

Man, there's so much there.

I talk so much about fungi as well.

And what a lot of people don't realize,

I mean,

it's not just like Jeff Lawton often says,

these mushrooms,

the fruiting bodies that you see up above,

they're not only the mouth of the forest,

they're also the internet of the forest.

And they do so,

and that's just a small bit of what

we think we know about this sort of

thing.

Man, I'm...

Okay, you got me hook, line,

and sinker right there, man.

You said so much there.

And I love how you said,

as far as the whole hydroponics thing,

I've been talking a lot about,

especially on this podcast and also in

other places,

that all these people that are growing

microgreens,

let's say in a spare room in your

house.

Okay, if that's all you have,

go for it.

But you're growing it in an inert medium.

And you're going in there,

clipping it off with some scissors or a

little knife or whatever the case may be.

Well, I'm thinking,

and I've been showing people,

why not grow those microgreens outside in

between the rows of whatever you're

growing out there?

For example, I got two rows of beans,

and I'm growing microgreens down the path

between them.

And I'm thinking, okay,

if the microgreens are power-packed in the

inert medium,

what are they going to be in biocomplete

compost?

what are they going to be how much

better are they going to be for me

and anybody else that eats these guys so

yeah there's a whole lot of overlap man

you got my brain all the synapses are

kicking all at the same time was there

okay you talked about being injured but

was there a you know like a specific

moment or experience dealing with that

injury that convinced you that maybe this

fungi you know there's something very very

special about it

Uh, so no,

the fungi didn't come till later.

Uh, the,

the injury was more like a awakening of,

I can't keep doing construction for the

rest of my life.

I have to do something different,

something that my soul is going to,

to more resonate with and farming just

it just seemed to fit you know when

i saw the abundance when i saw how

much you could produce from such a tiny

seed with basically just water and time

i'm like this right here is foundational i

can create something from this and i'm not

just working you know to work for someone

else and get a paycheck and hopefully i

can pay the bills for the next month

i was trying to really think of the

future what was my future going to look

like and and farming just

Kept coming back to that, honestly,

for my whole life because my grandfather

has been a farmer his entire life.

And he's always had animals, horses,

cattle, and a little home garden,

essentially.

And that was one of my earliest memories

was eating some of this farm fresh

vegetables and how amazingly delicious

they were.

I could walk through his garden as a

child,

just pull tomatoes straight off the plant

and eat them like an apple.

And it was one of the most delicious

things I'd ever tried.

And then you go to the grocery store

later as an adult because you have a

craving for tomatoes and you slice them up

and you throw some salt on them and

you take that first bite and you're like,

this tastes like water.

What has happened?

And it's just something that's always

drawn me back to what's happening here.

Where did that go?

Where did that magic go?

So it's always called me.

And then the fungi came in, of course,

when I learned about pre-natural farming,

when I learned about the foundational

aspects of how to make healthy soil and

make that food taste like it came from

a nutritionally dense,

healthy environment.

Because without that microorganism,

without that life that's in the soil that

gets killed when you put chemicals on it,

The plant can never retain its optimal

health in order to create those secondary

metabolites,

which is that flavor that you experience.

It's called secondary metabolites.

After the plant has created its

reproductive cells, it's made its seeds,

it only needs a certain amount to get

to that.

But to get to its smells and its

flavors,

you have to have biology in the soil.

And that's one thing we've destroyed is

the biology,

especially when we add all these

chemicals, when we make hydroponics.

Sure, it can look okay.

It can look great.

It can get to the next generation.

But we've lost that health,

that viability.

And that's why we have to eat five

carrots compared to one carrot nowadays,

because they're so just devoid of

nutrition.

amen to all that man um wow let's

i i guess let's get down to what

you're doing here in a medicinal sense but

before we do folks we're talking about

mushrooms and i know there's a whole lot

of folks out there that are thinking okay

uh where might this go look full

disclosure i was working down there i was

working i was working with an old boy

from bugaloosa louisiana and he was going

around like you i started off in the

construction space as well

um you know journeyman electrician for a

long long time and you know i would

go out do industrial work primarily and

i'd be on these big industrial jobs i

remember they had this one old boy from

bugaloosa louisiana going around with a

jug asking everybody if they wanted to try

some of his mushroom tea well i'll put

it this way

There was a couple of old boys out

there.

They thought they saw a cocker spaniel

pulling a wagon of balloons.

And I'm here to tell you,

this is the last place you want to

have a bunch of guys tripping on some

crazy mushrooms.

I don't know what he had in there,

but I did not partake.

And so, folks,

these are not the kind of mushrooms we're

going to talk about.

So, you know, with that said, Sean,

what inspired you to create Cultivated

Mind?

And, you know,

what's your mission with that?

What was the whole purpose of it?

Yes.

Thank you for making that separation.

Absolutely.

We don't do anything psychedelic here.

There's a whole other side to medicinal

mushrooms that are very old.

It's thousands of years old,

especially in Japan and China.

They've been using them for various

ailments.

We can get into that later.

essentially what happened was my mom got

cancer and she got a very resistant type

of cancer called triple negative breast

cancer and it usually doesn't respond well

to treatments now luckily she's the type

of person that sort of makes changes

whenever things you know are not going

quite her way so she always gets on

a better diet and she did actually very

well in her chemo treatment

And during this time,

while she was in her treatment,

I started really diving deeper into the

medicinal side of mushrooms,

because I was still farming at the time.

This is about five years ago.

And I started coming across what's known

as Turkey Tail or Coriolis Versicolor.

And in Japan and China,

they took Turkey Tail and they created

their own strand of it.

And it is now used as twenty five

percent of Japan's cancer treatment.

Whenever you get cancer in Japan,

you're going to get turkey tail mushroom

extract.

That that is like the standard now.

So.

I take this idea,

I start making my own because you always

want to get them as fresh as possible.

I didn't want to get anything from

overseas because I had no idea what old

it is or what kind of condition it

was.

So I found my own here locally.

I did my own extractions.

I've been giving that to my mom now

for five years.

She just got a checkup.

She's completely disease free.

And yeah, it's just wonderful.

We're going to keep throwing them at her,

going to keep her on the diet.

And I'm just loving the way that that

life is going.

They've also helped my wife as well.

She was

in a really bad relationship,

a really abusive relationship.

And it caused her to have to seek

a lot of therapy.

And they started putting her on

antidepressants.

And if anybody knows about the

antidepressant cycle, once you get on one,

there's another one that's going to

follow,

and another one that's going to follow

after that,

and maybe another one after that.

And she was eventually on,

I think it was about four or five

different

types of pills taking like nine pills a

day ssris antidepressants and the only

thing that these things do is just mask

the symptoms they will never cure you

they'll never fix you even the the the

uh the therapists themselves will tell you

this and some of them will say either

you're going to be on it for the

rest of your life or you're going to

make drastic changes so that you can

finally get off of them

um of course what they don't tell you

is that they are extremely addictive and

when you do try to get off of

them you actually go into withdrawals

thinking that you're still depressed when

really you're just having withdrawals from

the antidepressants so

One thing that along the way I found

through this research for my mom's cancer

is different mushrooms for the mind,

for the brain.

Lion's mane is an excellent mushroom for

repairing the nerves and repairing the

synapses that connect those nerves in your

brain.

Nerves have a very difficult time

regrowing.

Your liver could be cut in half.

It'll grow right back, right?

But the nerves, they need special enzymes.

They need special medicinal compounds to

regrow.

And lion's mane has things like trehalose,

which have been shown to regrow nerve

cells.

And through especially experimentation,

I was giving her a lot of lion's

mane.

Also another one called cordyceps,

which is known for neuroregeneration.

reishi and oyster.

And I do a combination because I like

to combine different mushrooms.

Because when you combine them,

they actually have a synergistic effect on

each other.

And one of the main things that this

really did for her,

besides a neuro regeneration,

is it repaired her gut biome as a

prebiotic.

Mushrooms are really prebiotic.

They grow out the beneficial bacteria in

your gut.

And they seem to be able to pick

and choose the good from the bad as

well, which is really important.

And over time,

with a little bit of diet change,

And a little bit of environment change as

well,

because once you change your regimen,

you change your sleep cycle,

you change supplements you're taking,

your diet,

you'll start to notice that there might be

something in your environment that's

toxic.

And of her own volition,

she decided to remove a friend of hers

that was keeping her in this spiral as

well.

And these are all little steps, right?

And along the way,

She made this choice and now after a

year and a half,

she is off of all of her pharmaceuticals

completely.

She has not ever gone back and she

is doing better than she ever has.

I would say she's essentially healed.

It's been amazing to watch the journey.

That is absolutely fascinating because it

also, as a veteran,

I'm also thinking about having worked at

the VA years ago,

and I would see guys walk out of

there with literally brown grocery bags

full of everything from back then.

I mean, it was everything from,

I'll shoot that one that everybody was

addicted to,

and it was killing them left and right,

and plus those happy pills.

Man, they would have, oh,

it was Oxycontin and a bunch of happy

people.

Oh, man,

they would walk out with a grocery bag

full of this stuff.

And I'm sitting here hearing you say this,

and I'm thinking, hmm.

I wonder how well these mushrooms would

work on PTSD and a lot of other

things that a lot of these homeless vets

on the street are dealing with right now.

I wonder how effective that would be.

And, of course,

that's all the reason why the powers that

shouldn't be don't want everybody to know

about this.

You know,

it's funny that we're talking about this

because I was watching –

I was watching a show with Emeril Lagasse

and he was talking about mushrooms,

strangely enough.

And in this,

he was absolutely annoyed that for years

and years and years that the only

mushrooms that were available to most

people in a grocery store were like these

button mushrooms.

And then now they get portabella.

And now you might find the same mushroom.

see that it's the same mushroom yeah so

he's talking about you have a variety you

know it's always blown my mind that if

you go to any grocery store you get

ten different varieties of toilet paper

but only one tomato i mean explain that

to me so it's the same thing i

mean the things you know we know the

price of everything and the value of

nothing in so many different ways but um

All of a sudden,

these mushrooms are coming on the scene.

There's a whole lot of people out there,

people I'm big fans of,

like Paul Stamets and a number of others.

Why do you think...

The medicinal mushrooms are starting to be

known and starting to become more popular

after years and I dare say decades of

being overlooked forever and a day.

I mean,

you were talking about this is being used

in Japan forever and a day,

probably almost certainly in China and

India and places like that.

Why do you think all of a sudden

it's making a surge and people are

suddenly becoming aware of them?

well we we certainly have a uh what

we would call a clinical trial biased here

in america uh if it doesn't if it's

not done by a pharmaceutical company or

some really large reputable american

institution we tend to just basically

ignore it anything that's done overseas we

we don't give as much credence to um

data and scientific rigor of chinese and

japanese research which i would say why

don't we because the japanese have some of

the best research in the world it's kind

of ridiculous actually um if they're doing

something then we certainly need to be

paying attention but i i think it really

also comes down to what i would call

um uh intellectual property rights as well

you can't

Turn this into a product and and sell

it and put it on the shelf and

make a bunch of money and have your

insurance charge a bunch from it because

they're just going to be like, well,

I'll just go out into the forest and

harvest some turkey tail off of a dead

tree stump that I find,

put it in a tea and I'll just

make my own medicine.

It's something that we've been shunning

for a very long time.

I mean, honestly,

that is what our entire institutions were

created on.

In fact,

we were actually warned about this way

back in seventeen seventy six.

There was a gentleman named Dr.

Benjamin Rush.

He was the only doctor to sign the

Declaration of Independence.

And he even said that one day there

will be a group of men that will

create a medical dictatorship.

Yes, he did.

This dictatorship will be the Bastille of

medical science, meaning prison.

And we've come to that fruition.

We've come to that conclusion.

We've watched our life expectancy go down.

I mean,

we're number forty nine in the world now

with the number one chronic sick care

spending.

So what does that even say?

People are certainly waking up.

Like I said,

COVID was one of those like getting hit

in the head with a hammer moment.

And I don't think a lot of people

can go back to that.

And that's really why mushrooms are

booming.

It's why herbs are booming.

That's why diet changes like ketogenic

diets is starting to become very popular.

Getting out into the sun, grounding.

I mean, honestly,

I didn't even really know about grounding

except maybe a year and a half,

maybe two years ago, even.

That's how out of the loop on that

I was.

Well,

it sounds like you and me are going

to get along great.

I'm glad you brought up Benjamin Rush,

man.

I'm something of a history buff myself.

In fact,

thinking seriously about creating another

podcast called Occulted History,

what a lot of people don't know about

Benjamin Rush is that he actually wanted

to put something into the Bill of Rights

regarding health,

that you have total autonomy over

yourself.

And

Thomas Jefferson and a number of others

couldn't find a single case in history

where that was ever done.

But Rush was a visionary if ever there

was one,

and he knew what would ultimately happen.

And what did we see happen over COVID?

And of course,

that's the most obvious example.

There's been numerous other ones out there

too, folks,

and they're going to be swinging back.

Which brings me in that, man,

I got a feeling me and you are

going to get along just fine.

um so let's talk about this mushroom

supplement industry out there um i've

taken some of the past i wasn't sure

about the quality and where i was getting

this stuff not sure i saw much of

a difference but then again i'm not i

don't know if i am i don't know

i'm not dealing with the kind of illnesses

that a number of others are but

Are all mushroom supplements,

this is something of a rhetorical

question,

but I think I've got to ask it.

Are they all created equal or is there

a huge difference in the quality of the

ones that are out there compared?

Folks,

we'll talk about this here in a minute,

but here's one of his products right here

for the brain.

What do you do differently that a lot

of the others aren't or do you even

know?

Oh, yeah.

In fact,

that's the entire reason I even built this

company was around this idea of making

sure that we're providing people with real

medicine, not only just real medicine,

but a higher quality of medicine.

If you look back here,

this is my my extraction machine.

Most companies,

what they do is they use a boiler

to get the medicine out because the

medicine is actually trapped inside the

cell walls of a mushroom.

They're like a hard chitin shell that kind

of wraps the medicine up really tightly.

And unless you break that cell open,

even if you grind it up into a

really fine powder and consume it,

it'll pass right through your body.

You will not be able to absorb it.

So they usually boil them, right,

to get the medicine out.

That'll flip the cell inside out,

release the medicine,

and then they can redry all that back

into a powder.

but that temperature basically at boiling

is way too hot in my opinion.

And essentially you're only left with what

are called beta-glutamines.

And they're really great for your health.

They're great for anti-inflammatory

properties.

They're great for activating the immune

system.

They're great for the gut biome,

helps with fight cancer.

Um,

but that's the only thing you'll be left

with.

And there's so many other constituents in

mushrooms.

So we do this at a lower temperature

and we use ultrasonic frequencies.

And through these frequencies,

you can actually break the shell open

through a physical vibration instead of

adding all of this heat to it.

And you can save way more of the

colder, like polysaccharides,

like ergothionine and trehalose and, uh,

um,

uh the uh things like herasiums those are

actually really sensitive they're the ones

that are in lion's mane that help with

the brain stimulation so we do things on

that level where i'm using ultrasonic

frequencies we are moving into freeze

dryers as well that's actually another

important part of it most of the time

they use what are called uh spray dryers

and a spray dryer just takes

these nozzles and sprays the liquid

mushroom into a big cylindrical tube it's

heated and air is blown into it well

you're oxidizing it and oxygen is one of

the main killers of medicinal compounds so

you not only hit them with a bunch

of heat and then you hit them with

a bunch of oxygen you've essentially

destroyed ninety percent of the medicine

that's actually in that mushroom

And I wanted to save as many of

those compounds as possible.

On top of that,

I wanted to prove this.

So we get testing done.

And one thing I learned along the way

in testing is really scary.

The gentleman who does our testing,

his name is Sean, just like me.

He's at Scout Scientific.

You guys can go look him up.

And he does beta glutamine testing and it

is heavy metals.

He took the top five lion's mane products

off of Amazon.

Two of them have nothing in it.

He has no idea what they are.

They certainly aren't mushrooms.

One of them is essentially around one or

two percent.

So the vast majority of it is fillers.

So seventy five percent of what you find

on Amazon isn't even real mushrooms.

We have no idea what it is.

You can always look on the back of

the package.

Sometimes they tell you,

sometimes they won't.

You'll see things like anti caking agent.

sodium dioxide,

microcrystalline cellulose, rice hulls.

These are fillers that they use to keep

it from clogging up in their machines.

So then not only that,

half of whatever's in there is not even

medicine.

There's this huge layer of things that

goes into supplements and goes into what I

actually call nutraceuticals because you

want the nutrition of the whole food.

And that's why we always get like whole

fruiting bodies.

Like I will never,

ever get a powder because you have no

idea what a powder is.

You can't identify that.

You don't know what the percentages are.

You have to be able to identify the

mushroom that's right in front of you.

So there are many layers to this.

I could go even deeper.

But, you know,

I think I've said pretty much all the

really, really important stuff.

And I think I need to force other

companies to go this direction.

And that's my goal.

I want to make other people's catch up

with me, people catch up with me.

Oh, my goodness, man.

I'm going to be honest with you, man.

That's blowing my mind,

but I'm not at all surprised.

I mean,

probably I'm guessing that you also had

tested some – you said it was on

Amazon,

but I'm guessing some of these ones that

are highly touted in, let's say,

Whole Foods and some of these other

places.

I won't mention what they are.

I'm guessing you tested the most

well-known,

and even those are not coming back with

–

some of them are fine um some of

them are fine God watch for the fillers

of course uh here's one of the other

things that really sets mine apart is that

I am I don't want to get mushrooms

from overseas

Pretty much there is almost no one getting

everything basically from North America.

I'm about the only one.

I do have a difficult time finding reishi.

The reishi mushroom is challenging in

America.

Nobody really grows it like this,

so I have to go wild harvest it.

There's a couple of people that do it.

Occasionally,

I have to get it from overseas.

I would love to make a deal with

somebody to start growing this here in

America.

I would basically help set you up and

buy everything you have.

I would love to make my own chain

here in America with that.

But essentially,

as local as possible and as fresh as

possible because they do have lifespans on

them.

They will start to age out and they

will start to lose their medicinal

compounds.

And you have no idea how old those

are sitting on the shelf.

That's why I don't really have too many

wholesale accounts.

And the ones that I do,

they're only about two,

maybe three months old at the very

longest.

I don't want anything to sit on the

shelf for six months, a year,

especially after a year,

you're missing like half of the medicine.

So how should, I mean,

like I'm holding up the brain here,

how should people store these in the

fridge or something or?

You can,

but just in your normal climate controlled

room is fine.

Yeah, don't put it in your car.

Okay, well, I mean,

I can imagine that would make shipping a

hazard as well.

Well, that little bit of time,

that little bit of heat.

So about that much heat,

is applied when you do the ultrasonic but

if you're like leaving it in your car

to like bake for long periods like days

at a time no no definitely don't do

that like okay like a transportation is

fine you know you'll be fine like

transporting it but like the longer it

sits the more that it's going to get

degraded yes

Okay, I'm holding up this one now,

Immune Renew.

So it's telling me that, bear with me,

it's kind of hard to let my eyes

adjust when I take off these glasses,

but I'm seeing shaga extract,

turkey tail extract, reishi, maitake,

and shiitake extract.

Is there anything else in this product

besides what you say here?

I mean,

do we have the rice hull extract?

Do we have any of that other stuff

that you find in nearly every single

product I look for out there?

no it is one hundred percent mushrooms uh

the capsule is a cellulose vegan capsule

that's the only addition essentially it's

just whatever the capsules made which is a

cellulose

Well, bro,

that alone sets you apart from everybody

else on the market.

I mean, I look, believe me,

I'm a person that reads labels and I'm

all about this.

And if that's all you got in there,

that is a big time game changer,

at least for people like me.

So let's talk about, first of all,

let me ask you another,

let me ask you a side question here.

Every single week I eat lion's mane

because I pick them up at the farmer.

I don't grow them, but

For all the food that we don't grow

here at this farm,

we pick up at the farmer's market from

people I can trust,

or at least I think I can.

Hopefully they're not picking this stuff

out of a dole box somewhere and putting

it on the shelf,

although I have seen that sort of thing.

But there's an old boy.

He's out there.

He's growing these mushrooms.

He's got them in the medium,

little square plastic whatevers,

and he's cutting them off as you're

ordering them.

So I'm eating lion's mane pretty much

every week here.

Nice.

Is it okay?

I've heard Paul Stamets and some others

talk about, hey, when you eat mushrooms,

you got to cook them first.

What's your thoughts on that?

I mean,

is it okay to eat them straight up

or what I'm doing is sauteing them with

some onions and peppers or whatever else

and I put them in my omelet every

day.

Is that the way we ought to be

consuming these mushrooms or do you see

things differently?

You should absolutely be cooking your

mushrooms.

In fact,

I would avoid eating any raw mushrooms

ever.

There's a couple of little things.

In fact,

you're talking about those button

mushrooms.

In fact, agaricus blazei,

which are also portabellos.

They just give them different names based

on their growth cycle.

Those are like the larger versions of

them.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah.

Well, welcome to America's food system.

So they do have medicinal properties,

right?

If you cook them,

they actually have beta glutamines and

they do help fight cancer when they're

cooked properly.

And when they're not, when they're raw,

they actually contain a carcinogenic

compound that can give you cancer.

So you should never eat raw mushrooms.

The heat actually destroys those

carcinogenic compounds and then releases

the beneficial medicinal compounds because

they're trapped inside the cellular walls,

right?

You wouldn't absorb any of the medicinal

compounds because you ate it raw because

the chitin trapped all of the medicine

inside the cells and it passed right

through your body.

and you just got the carcinogenic

compounds i know so paul sam is just

doesn't eat button mushrooms or

portabellos he just avoids them even when

he does cook them um i kind of

disagree i think they're fine if you cook

them properly but you do have to

thoroughly cook them you can't have like

little raw spots like in the middle we

were actually talking to someone that uh

ate some lines man the other day and

they didn't really have a great time with

it have a good experience

they went to a place where they didn't

understand how to properly cook it.

They just took the whole lion's mane

mushroom and threw it in a pan and

kind of flipped it around a bunch of

times, like for fifteen minutes, and then,

you know, put that on the plate.

And really,

it didn't have time to penetrate down into

the center.

You want to squash your lion's mane

between two hot iron cast skillets.

And smash it down into a very thin

wafer, essentially.

And cook it for a good twenty minutes.

It'll turn pretty dark.

But then when you cut the center,

you'll see that it's like center is

actually...

relatively white again.

And you can get it,

if you flavor it properly,

you can get it to taste just like

roast beef or a steak.

Like I have fooled people into thinking

that I gave them meat before when you

do it just right.

So would it be cool to slice these

guys up and saute them in a pan?

Or do you have to, like you said,

is it really that necessary to smash it

down like you would a burger or something?

Uh, so you could,

I guess if you didn't want to smash

it, yes,

you could cut them pretty thin and make

sure you thoroughly cook them on each

side.

Absolutely.

Okay.

And then break that cell wall,

get those like carcinogenic compounds out

there,

kill any bacteria that could live on the

surface as well.

Uh, because let's say for example,

in no key mushroom,

it is like a long thin mushroom.

It comes in like a bunch.

There's like a bunch of them and it

looks like a little bean sprouts almost.

delicious mushroom it's actually one of my

favorites but they have a weird bacteria

growing on them and you could potentially

get uh listeria if you don't cook them

right it has this tendency to grow you

know harmful bacteria so just want to make

sure everybody cooks their mushrooms thank

you for bringing that point up that's

actually very important

So what we have in here are essentially

cooked mushrooms in these bottles?

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

So talk to me about some,

I want to ask you specifically about some

of the individual mushrooms that we have

in here.

For example, I mean, I don't know,

I know things in a broad,

in a broad category,

but I'm just going to bring up some

of these ones like cordycepsis.

I mean,

apparently it has a pretty incredible

history,

but what makes it unique and how does

it benefit anybody?

Cordyceps is one of my favorites,

actually.

It stimulates nerve development.

It helps you focus.

It gives you that little bit of energy.

It gives you adenosine or adenosine

triphosphate.

And of course,

everybody wants that like immediate

gratification.

So it's kind of the one that you

should feel it in about thirty,

forty five minutes.

And it's just like a general alertness.

Your body wants to kind of move around.

Your fatigue goes away.

You can focus a little bit better.

And, you know, of course,

anything that kind of hits you, you know,

sort of within that hour,

anybody's going to really enjoy.

But it has so many other benefits as

well.

The way that we sell it is as

a pre-workout.

Because what made it popular is athletics.

Back in nineteen ninety three,

there was a Chinese track and field team

that set new track records.

They set five new world track records

between three people in the same team.

And of course,

we thought they were cheating.

We were like, start an investigation.

And it turns out they were using cordyceps

mushroom.

It oxygenates the blood,

improves your lung function,

and it drastically lowers your lactic acid

production.

So they were going to just run and

run and run and feel like they never

got tired and just blew out the

competition.

And through that investigation,

that's how cordyceps kind of became

popular.

It also has anti-cancer properties as

well,

especially things like ovarian cancer.

Specifically,

I have some research studies showing that

it activates what is called ferropoptosis.

It's another type of cancer cell death

that uses iron in the mitochondria to

identify cancer cells and kill them in

that type of a way.

And

They stimulate essentially your adrenals.

They are more of a pusher.

They like to activate, let's say,

your testosterone.

It will increase your testosterone.

It will increase your hormones.

They, too, tell people,

at least this is the hypothesis,

to generally stay away from cordyceps if

you have an estrogen-dependent breast

cancer.

so if you have the type of breast

cancer that feeds on estrogen the

hypothesis is that you should avoid breast

cancer because it could potentially boost

your estrogen um i i have a different

hypothesis because i have seen women with

this type of breast cancer still take

cordyceps and have good results we just

don't have any information at the moment

so just a little word of warning

Well,

and maybe they're offsetting some of that

with the turkey tail.

All right,

talk to me about the reishi because it's

called the mushroom of immortality.

Where on earth did that come from?

I mean, boy,

I need a whole bunch of reishis out

here.

Is there anything you can say about that?

Yeah,

so it's been used for a long time.

It's in the Divine Materia Medicum.

It's an ancient Chinese text that is over

a thousand years old.

And it's been used for so long and

so widespread.

The way that I see, let's say, science,

there's a few different ways that you can

do it.

Sure,

you can do the placebo-controlled science

tests,

or what you could do is called the

science of observation.

When something is handed down for

thousands of years,

generation after generation after

generation,

you don't hand down something that doesn't

work.

You hand down the things that work.

The things that don't work get forgotten

because you're like,

why am I even doing it?

Why am I wasting my time doing this?

It's not doing what I want it to

do.

So the important things,

those get handed down over a long period

of time.

And we've been sort of like essentially

brainwashed into thinking that we have to

have a bunch of money and scientists to

think that we have something with viable

medicine in it.

But reishi is wonderful.

It is calming.

It brings on relaxation, reduces anxiety,

even though it also produces energy in the

body.

It's a funny balancer right there.

These mushrooms are what you would call

immunomodulators.

They balance the system.

don't force you to go in one direction

or the other most pharmaceutical in fact

all pharmaceuticals force you to go in one

way or the other they either suppress your

system or they boost your system and

mushrooms are adaptogens they find out

where you're at and where you need to

be and put you into a balanced state

And that's why maybe some people don't

experience as good of results because you

might already be super healthy and the

mushrooms are like, you know,

trying to help something that's already

really healthy.

So if you have a great diet,

you got a good sleep exercise,

maybe cordyceps is really the one to help

you with your workout to further boost

your workout, things like that.

but um one of the things that rishi

does when they call it the mushroom

immortality is it actually slows down

cells senescence uh the the aging of your

cells and it allows them to live longer

without aging before they go into their

like uh division state um i'm sure there's

a fancy word for this that's in there

somewhere it's just not on the top of

my head right now um but um

It's also used to bite cancer.

It's what's in the immuno blend that I

gave to my mom.

It is used for hypertension.

It's used for blood sugar control.

It's used for a whole host of things.

There's like a giant list.

It's even used for libido,

things like that.

It's one of the ones that has the

longest history and the most amount of

research.

There's a book called...

the medicinal mushrooms,

the human clinical trials by Robert Dale

Rogers.

And it has about six hundred studies

listed in it, various in vivo,

in vitro studies and human clinical trials

on all sorts of different medicinal

mushrooms.

And this has been going on for a

very long time.

Really cool introduction to Rishi was it

was first

Its history was first discovered when they

found a mummy in China,

a five thousand year old mummy who was

frozen in the ice.

And when they thawed him out,

they found a little pouch,

a little bag of leather that contained a

bunch of reishi mushroom.

And that is like the first known five

thousand year old documentation of us

collecting and harvesting reishi.

I'll be dang, man.

That's crazy.

That is fascinating as well.

You talked about Turkey Tail and its

effect on cancer,

so I won't ask about that.

But the other one I want to ask

about is Chaga.

I had never heard of a Chaga.

I haven't heard any of these guys for

the most part until about maybe ten years

ago.

Is Chaga as good as everybody talks about

it?

Is it worth the hype?

Yeah.

Oh,

so chaga was one of the best mushrooms

to use during COVID.

You had the best success rate if you

were using a chaga tea during COVID to

increase your vitamin D levels because it

does produce a lot of vitamin D.

It is a mushroom that grows out in

the wild.

You can't really grow it indoors.

It will not have medicinal compounds in

it.

It takes too long anyways.

It has to grow on a birch tree.

It needs a living organism to live off

of.

And it gets sunlight.

And when it gets that sunlight,

it produces vitamin D. And vitamin D,

as we know,

is one of the most important aspects to

fighting against COVID at the time.

That's one aspect to it.

It's really antioxidative.

It is very anti-inflammatory.

And inflammation is one of our main

killers in this world nowadays.

It is one of the main cruxes to

all of our chronic disease is this

constant state of inflammation that we're

in from the environment,

from the food that we're eating,

from the clothes you're wearing.

Like you said,

we just went to all cotton, no more,

no more of this polyester in our system.

uh,

with its massive reduction in fertility.

You know, it's like a,

I think an eighty percent reduction in

your fertility.

If you have like a hundred percent

polyester on your body, it's,

it's outrageous.

They've even turned it into a medical

device now.

So getting the toxins out of your diet

and then reducing the inflammation through

things like chaga, things like reishi.

And, um,

one other thing I'll say about chaga is

I had a funny little

incident with Canada and Chaga.

Some of the best Chaga in the world

comes from Canada.

And that's where I was getting it from.

Really great company.

It was beautiful.

It was like gorgeous.

They took really good care of like the

harvesting of it.

And they had this wonderful system where

it was all sustainable and everything.

And then one day,

they stopped sending it to me and I

couldn't get a hold of them.

And I don't know why their website

disappeared.

They just like went away.

And I've come to find out a couple

of months later that Canada implemented

some extremely harsh health regulations

and they

will not allow canadians to produce

natural medicines anymore unless you go to

this really rigorous like regulation

control and sign up with the government

and pay all this money get all these

permits and everything so um it was really

concerning to to sort of see that and

it's it's made me kind of like

want to start creating these little farms

here in america where everything uh come

from a farm that i have a hand

in specifically so that's where we're

going to start going with this we're going

to start trying to promote like a

chocolate farm and a reishi farm and a

cordyceps farm actually i have the

cordyceps farm already i got a buddy in

florida who grows it for me as soon

as it's harvested he ships it to me

that way it's super fresh but um

But yeah, they have wonderful benefits.

I've even got a list of my friends

and family here that have given me reviews

over time and some customers.

Specifically, Chaga's Anti-Fatigue,

it's in our...

cordyceps blend it helps with muscle

growth as well so if you're doing like

bodybuilding chugga is really good for

actually muscle development um as well and

when you combine that with the let's say

the lion's mane and the chaga and the

cordyceps this is kind of like i guess

the three and it requires a combination of

the brain and the energy blend to get

that sort of combination of mushrooms

we've had people getting off of their add

medication

I have at least four customers right now.

Julian, Tina,

I don't want to name the other one

because he's a child.

He's like nine years old.

His mother did not want him on Adderall

to begin with.

She was like,

I'm not putting my child on a

pharmaceutical drug and nine years old.

And I watched what that stuff did to

my brothers.

They put my brother on Ritalin as well.

And I saw the zombie that it turns

you into.

And she's now giving her son medicinal

mushrooms.

It's...

improving his gut it's improving his mood

right because when you take adderall what

it does is it actually affects your mood

as well it makes you very irritable it

makes you very agitated um as like i

said if someone who used to take it

whenever i was in high school i know

exactly what that's like and mushrooms are

mood stabilizing especially because

they're fixing the gut which is a very

important part of fixing your mood your

serotonin your dopamine are developed in

the gut

And unless you fix the gut,

you cannot fix the rest of the body.

And the wonderful thing about all

mushrooms is they are prebiotic.

They actually grow out the beneficial

bacteria in your gut.

It's one of the main functions.

And in my opinion,

it's one of the main reasons why the

body is responding so well to them.

And we're having such great results from

all these customers.

And with very little,

I would say like non-results,

about twenty percent, you know,

let's just be open on this.

There's like twenty percent of people that

don't get an effect from it.

When you compare that to pharmaceuticals,

which have like a fifty five to sixty

percent non-effective rate,

I'd say we're doing pretty good.

Yeah, I would say so.

I know you said there was a synergistic

effect.

Now,

I'm looking at three of your products

here.

You sent also the dog treats,

which I meant to ask my wife because

she handles all the stuff with the

animals.

I mean, they're not there anymore,

so I imagine the dogs ate them up.

But I'm looking at Radiant Energy.

You have another one here called Immune

Renew.

And then the other one called brain or

brain to brain square.

OK, brain squared.

OK, that's OK.

That makes two.

OK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That makes.

OK.

That makes perfect sense.

Now,

I know you said there is a synergistic

effect.

When you combine certain mushrooms,

but are there any deleterious effects?

Let's say somebody wanted to take all

three of these at the same time.

Are they going to wind up seeing cocker

spaniels pulling a wagon of balloons?

I mean, is it okay to mix these?

yeah so it's definitely okay to mix

everything uh generally you want to take

the brain and the energy one uh during

the day and the immune one at night

because the immune one will sort of calm

you down it'll relax you uh the reishi

my talking shiitake of l-theanine in them

and it just relaxes the energy of the

prefrontal cortex it kind of quiets the

brain's activity so it can kind of get

you ready for bed though it's not a

sedative except you're not going to see

cocker spaniels you're not there's no uh

psychedelic properties in any of these

There are potential side effects.

with some of them.

Chaga, for example,

if you have kidney failure,

if you are prone to kidney stones,

then you should avoid taking Chaga because

it has a higher level of uric acid

and can exacerbate kidney stones.

So if you don't have that problem,

then it's not an issue.

Not to mention the study that I saw

on this.

It was a lady.

She already had some kidney problems and

she was taking like very large amounts of

Chaga,

like

like large heaping tablespoons of it a day

and there's not that much in this but

just be world warning if you had kidney

failure you definitely need to watch out

for chaga if you have a high fever

Don't take cordyceps.

If you're in the middle of a sickness,

like where you currently have a flu and

you currently have a fever,

then don't take cordyceps because it can

increase your temperature.

There's that adrenal push that it's sort

of doing as well,

and that can exacerbate a temperature.

Though,

what's really funny about saying cordyceps

and flus, cordyceps is really antiviral.

It doesn't kill the virus.

It stops its replication.

so if you can catch your disease if

you're your flu your illness you have a

tiny little scratchy throat or if you

start to get that like kind of head

swinginess where you're just starting to

feel the very beginnings of sickness

coming on i will take like ten capsules

of the cordyceps and then i'll take a

shot of turmeric and it's been three years

i haven't been sick since it like

immediately nips that sickness in the butt

and then like within twelve hours i'm

completely better uh it's been amazing to

watch that happen so

It's funny how mushrooms work.

They have this funny give and take,

this funny balance that comes with them.

You need to know when they're appropriate.

Man, this is absolutely fascinating stuff.

I mean,

the audience has a number of questions for

you here,

but we're not going to be able to

get to them today.

We'll have to have Sean back on because

I'm only hitting the tip of the iceberg

of everything I want to ask about.

But, Sean,

tell everybody where they can go

And, you know,

tell them what products you have and where

they can go to acquire them because,

you know, I don't have anybody...

I've been using this stuff,

but to say that I'm noticing...

I'm not just doing that.

I'm doing a lot of other things as

well in terms of health.

And...

you know i'm i'm feeling a whole lot

better about using these guys and i'm glad

i asked about any contraindication because

i've been using all three lately and so

i need to be using the immune renew

at night as opposed to the brain you

can use the brain at night also the

brain is pretty neutral uh it won't

necessarily give you a bunch of energy and

it won't necessarily make you tired

Okay, cool.

Where does everybody go to acquire some of

this stuff?

And I think they got to feel pretty

good about hearing how you source this

stuff and how you treat everything with

respect.

How do they how do they find this

and how do they order?

Yeah, you can go to cultivated-mind.com.

It's cultivated in a little dash in

between mind.com.

You can put in bond, B-O-N-D.

You guys get ten percent off.

It's Billy's coupon code.

And then that way you guys get a

little bit off.

And yeah, we have dog treats as well.

The dog treats are calming.

They have the reishi in them.

And there are a bunch of the really

healthy ingredients because not only do

you need the mushrooms,

you need other things like nutrition.

Nutrition is a very important part of the

dog's health as well.

So we put like our own pasture-raised

eggs, we have our own chickens,

bone broth,

pumpkin puree from a farm that actually is

down the road.

So they're super local,

healthy ingredients.

But, yeah, you go to cultivated-mind.com.

Consistency is definitely the key whenever

it comes to mushrooms.

You know, it takes, I would say,

about two weeks of consistent usage to

find a brain and gut biome difference.

And your sleep patterns,

as far as the immune one, it takes,

like I said,

about two weeks for you to fix your

gut biome and to fix your sleep cycles.

The energy one,

you should feel that in about thirty

minutes.

Mostly it's a lactic acid reduction for,

like, exercise and being active.

Or if you take it every day,

then it is a testosterone boost as well.

Though I just take it every once in

a while whenever I need to kind of

get through the rest of my day as

well.

And if anybody has any questions,

you know,

you can just write me on the website.

There's a place to like put some questions

in there and I can always write you

back.

Well, folks,

we have everything included down below,

whether it's in the audio format or right

here on the video format.

But folks, I know you have questions.

We'll just have to have it back on

to get to some of these because these

are really, really good questions.

And I got the smartest audience out there

in the business.

One more time, Sean,

tell everybody where they can find you.

sir uh you can find me at cultivated

hyphen mind.com i also am on facebook as

a open source farmer and that's just my

like farming korean natural farming side

if you ever want to talk about farming

korean natural farming i mean there's a

whole nother set of podcasts on that one

too so

I will definitely be reaching out because,

frankly,

I know a lot about certain things.

I'm on the other end of that with

Elaine Ingham,

which she poo-pooed the whole Korean

natural farming from the get-go,

but I have reasons to believe that maybe,

like so many,

she was a genius in what she did,

but also there's a number of people,

really smart people out there that have

blinders.

She's come around.

She actually has come around.

She has.

Yes.

Not anymore because she passed away.

Yeah.

When she she did come around.

Yeah.

Yeah, but early on,

she was not a big fan of it.

But I definitely got to have you back

on here to talk.

In fact,

that's on my notes to ask you when

we're all done here.

Well, Sean, I got to say,

this has been a joy, man.

This has been really enlightening.

And I'm hearing things from you that I

haven't heard before from other folks.

Well, folks, look,

I know he's going to be a popular

guest to have back.

We're going to talk about Korean farming.

We're going to talk about mushrooms and

permaculture.

Hey, y'all, go check him out.

Until next time, stay alert.

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Watch the world spin.

From the smallest sprout to the harmony

begin.

In the cycle of life,

where the magic's alive.

Turn it to the beat.

Feel the fire and thrive.

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