Speaker: Said, well, why
don't you come down south?
Like, you know, come
look at the southwest.
So she came down and her, her
actual words to me when we moved
down there to the married quarters
was, I'll give this two weeks.
So I was like, oh, here we go.
My hands Ginger, wake up, wake up.
And he's like, smacking me in the
face like, ginger, stay awake.
Stay awake.
And I, I couldn't, I
was drifting in and out.
I was like, a hundred percent that block
saved my life and we're coming down.
And then, but I remember the boss
saying, I'm sure he said something like,
if he hits the brakes we're fucked.
I had fucking red light
just come on in front there.
Why did, if he had to said that, I would.
Speaker 2: Guys, welcome back
to the Combat Fuel Podcast.
Today we are joined by another
Royal Marine, Mr. Tom Merriman,
also known as the Wando PTI.
Tom, thank you for your service and
please give us a little bit of a
introduction about you and who you are.
Speaker: Uh, so yes, Sergeant
Thomas Merriman, uh, Rome, Marine's
physical training instructor.
Um.
Father of three boys, absolute lunatics
and, uh, and a husband to, uh, Louise,
Speaker 2: what's harder
being in the Royal Marines or
being a father to three boys?
Speaker: Being a husband?
Uh, they all have the
challenges, don't they?
Yeah.
Uh, I think the, the difference is, you
know, if I, if I get something wrong in
the Marines, I get, I get shouted out by
the SAR major, whereas if I get something
wrong at home, it's, it's the wife.
So, depends who you wanna get
the, you know, the roast enough.
Speaker 2: So obviously we're evidently
been in the Royal Marines for, for,
for a while, you know, you're part of
the part of furniture now, aren't you?
Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Been
Speaker 2: for a long time.
But where did, where
did life start for you?
Speaker: So, I, I grew up in Stockport,
uh, the northwest of England.
Um, it's, I think it's like the
second biggest town in the uk.
I think Blackpool's the biggest, and
Stockport is like the second biggest.
Um, at the time it was quite a rough,
rough place to live, but now I've
heard it's, it's getting developed.
People are moving to Stockport now.
Uh, it's a suburb of Manchester, so
you've always got work, you've got
good links, you've got an airport.
Um, so it's quite a
desirable place to live.
But I grew, when I grew up there,
there wasn't really much going on
in, in the northwest of England.
If you, you was workwise, you know,
if he was a, he was good for, if he
was good at football, you had like
city and man United and Liverpool
and Everton and all on the doorstep.
You had a lot of community
clubs as well, like Wig and Bolt
and Stockport, Alden Rochdale.
There was loads of football teams.
So, you know, if he was good at sport,
if he was good at football, then
you know, you had an opportunity.
But for me, I wasn't that good.
Um, so it, it was always, um, you know,
it was military or nothing for me.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Did you know that from quite a
young age then that the military
is what you wanted to do and, and
specifically the Royal Marines?
Speaker: Yeah, I think from about the age
of eight I wanted to be in the military.
Uh, you know, I always, I was always
running around in the fields with
combats on and, you know, playing,
playing soldiers with my mates and stuff.
But it wasn't until I was
about 12 years old where my dad
introduced me to a family friend.
I can't mention his name 'cause he, he
works for companies now that we, you
know, we not really allowed to mention
names for the company that he works for.
Um, but he, he, I, he
introduced me to him.
He was Aro Marine PT at the time.
He was from a town called
Gloss Up, like up in Darby Show
and, uh, got chatting to him.
Not at the time, I
didn't realise this book.
He was quite a notorious
character in the Royal Marines.
You know, people had nightmares about him.
He was like the, you know, the
absolute monster of a PTI and you know.
I, to me, he was just a family friend
and I, you know, got introduced to him.
And from the day I met him, he just,
he just inspired me and influenced me.
And I, I think from that day on, I
didn't just wanna be aro Marine or
want to be aro Marine, PTI, which is
what led me to, to where I am today.
And he's always been there.
He's bit like an older brother to me.
He, like, I messaged, he
messaged me yesterday actually.
We, we still speak now and he's helped
me through a lot of things in my life.
So yeah, that's where it
started really for me.
Speaker 2: Standup guy.
So in your, in your early
childhood as well, so he was a,
a massive role model for you?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Big time, yeah.
Along with my father, uh, and
TaeKwonDo coach, uh, Steve
Lumley and football coach.
He was quite a lot of
influential men in my life.
Uh, along with my mum
as well and my grandma.
They were quite influential to me.
Speaker 2: How, how was your
upbringing though, any dramas or
was it pretty plain sailing for you?
Speaker: Uh, so at home,
at home it was good.
I had a, a really, like there was
me, my mum and dad and my sister, mom
and dad are still together now, so I
consider myself quite fortunate in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: In that respect.
But
Speaker 2: quite rare these days.
Speaker: Yeah, really rare.
Really rare.
And, and, and I can kind of see
why, because we've had challenges.
My wife and I have had challenges
and we're still together.
Um, so I understand now I understand
like why people do separate.
'cause I've, I've been
through similar events.
Um.
But I think my childhood, we had this like
home that I couldn't have asked for more.
We didn't have much money, uh, but we
had a lot of love and, uh, morals and,
you know, good, uh, like ethos was being
installed at home, good habits and stuff.
Like we, we all, we sat
around the table and had tea.
You know, we, we, we, when I
came home from school, we, we
did chores around the house.
Me and my sister did chores around
the house to, to make sure when
my mom and dad came home, there
was nothing that needed doing.
And my sister was better
at that than I was.
And I had needed a, a bit
of a rocket sometimes.
But, but it, it probably
installed the, the early
military, military sort of habits.
Um, you know, every, everything that
we, that we that was installed was,
was probably looking at now, like
discipline and manners and communication
skills was all, all from my parents.
But then I went to school and like cards
on the table, I was fat and ginger.
And I grew up in the nineties, so,
you know, I was definitely getting it.
Speaker 2: When you say getting
it, so were you bullied at school?
Speaker: Yeah, massively.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was about
Speaker 2: fat and ginger.
Speaker: Yeah.
Uh, you know, and, and, and I think that
for me then I, I couldn't understand it
'cause I went, I went, I grew up in a
house where it was full of love and, and,
and you know, everything that you wanted.
But then I went to school and,
and got bullied and, you know,
Speaker 2: how, how does that
affect you at a young age?
Uh, did it age you?
Was it Well, I'm not that I,
I might say we ginger, but
I'm not gonna be fat anymore.
Massive.
And
Speaker: then, so it
massively impacted that.
Yeah.
And there was a, there was an, there was
an incident in my life as well where we
prob, which probably led, I'm probably
jumping the gun a bit here, but I went
through a little bit of therapy in, in
my career where I had to, I had to think
back to a moment in my life where I was
first, like, you know, the first part of.
Trauma, you know, and, and I kept
referring back to this incident
and the psychiatrist's like, nah,
way back, way back, way back.
And I, I said, look, ev
my childhood was good.
There's nothing happened.
They went, nah, there's
something happened, which made
you the way you are today.
And um, and funnily enough,
it wasn't the bullying.
The bullying did.
The bullying did.
It did help me like come
fitter faster, stronger.
But there was an incident, we went on
holiday once and we'd, we'd managed
to save up some money to go abroad.
We'd never, we'd never been abroad.
And I was probably about four
or five or something, uh, might
might've even been younger than that.
And we're, we're, we're in the airport.
We're going to a beater, I think.
And, uh, the gate came up, like what gate
we're at, I think it was like gate three.
And actually it was at Gate 33.
My mum and dad had got it wrong.
So all of a sudden, you
know, I'm three years old.
I've got my mum and dad in front
of me, and my sister just legging
it, just running down this, you
know, down the airport away from me.
Now looking at it now, I'm like,
yeah, just run after him or whatever.
But three years old, I was young
and I, and I couldn't, everything
I loved in my life was just running
away from me and I couldn't keep up.
And that installed at such a cognitive
age that installed like a habit to,
to, to be stronger, fitter, faster.
To, to deal with that.
And I think that's what spurred me
on or, or pushed me in the, in the
fitness industry, that along with the
not being capable of doing that at
school because of, 'cause of whatever
reason, I believe that's probably
why I, I am the way I am today.
Speaker 2: Importantly.
Did you make the flight?
Speaker: Yeah, we did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: How was the holiday?
Speaker: Can't remember it.
All I remember was
running after my, after.
That's not the only thing I can remember.
Yeah.
It's probably my earliest
memory, if I'm honest.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, brilliant.
Speaker: Awesome.
But
Speaker 2: yeah.
Yeah.
Hopefully you had a nice, you got any
family pictures from, from the holiday
to look back on and be like, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Funny enough.
So, so growing up I hated Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: right.
This is where this hate, I hated
Mickey Mouse and I don't know why.
And then my first son, Harry,
I had him when I was 23 and he
used to love, uh, Mickey Mouse
Clubhouse or whatever it was called.
And every time I've put it
on I'd be like, oh my God.
Like I can't stand Mickey Mouse.
And, and there was a picture of us in
the airport that day and my sister was
wearing a, a Mickey Mouse, uh, rucksack.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So all I could see was
Mickey Mouse running away from me.
So it is mad how it works.
I was speaking to a psychiatrist, finally
went that that would be the reason why
it's cognitive and it's in you, it's fear.
You associate Mickey Mouse now with fear.
And I was like, wow.
Couldn't believe that.
But yeah, we, we have got,
uh, for always of the holiday.
You don't wanna see 'em though?
Speaker 2: No, I do.
Crazy.
You gotta go and find these,
like drop these into the podcast.
We can see a little ginger.
3-year-old Tom.
Yeah.
Cutting them out.
Um, so was your parents any
military, uh, in your direct family?
Speaker: So my dad was in the Fugi leis,
uh, and he went to Gibraltar when they
closed the, they closed the border.
Yeah.
So he used to speak
about that quite a lot.
I also had a, you know, like an
uncle that, it's not really an
uncle, but you call him an uncle.
Yeah.
'cause he's a close family
friend and he was in the Navy.
He was from Hartley Pool.
Uh, he was probably the biggest
influence on me joining the military.
That's probably the reason why
I wanted to join the military.
And then the other guy was why
I wanted to go to the Marines.
And, uh, he joined, he, he
was basically from Hartley po.
It was called Norman Robinson.
And, uh, he, he, he joined the,
uh, HMS war spray in the war.
Uh, I think he was 15 years old,
so he couldn't, he wasn't old
enough to join, but he got the
local vicar to sign his papers so
he could join the, join the Navy.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker: So he ended up going in at
an early age, or earlier than usual.
Uh, and the stories he used to
tell me just like I, I could
just listen to him all night.
You know, there'd be something on
the telly, but I'd just be sat there
asking him questions about, you
know, what was Singapore like, what
was, you know, what was Malaysia
like, what was South America like?
And,
Speaker 2: and that's one of the
opportunities military gives us, right?
Yeah.
The travel is phenomenal.
Yeah.
And it's free and we're
paid to go and do it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think to a little bit
off topic, but guys today and girls
don't, you don't capitalise enough
on, on what's on offer, you know?
Yeah.
Go ski in hundred quid.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Where you wanna go?
Go volunteer.
Speaker: Anything?
There's not a qualification
as well at the end.
Live it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah,
Speaker: yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
I'm a kayak instructor.
Speaker: Oh, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
A rock climbing instructor, mountain
leader, all of them like, yeah, why not?
Went, went to Germany to get
rock climbing for a a week.
Yeah.
But it's, um, yeah, the
travel is phenomenal.
How did your dad take it when you, you
know, he's actually very proud of, of his
history with a fusel Liz to being like.
Dad, I wanna go to the Royal Marines.
Speaker: Yeah.
So I think my mom and dad
were, were, were quite happy.
'cause I think they, they knew I
wasn't really, I wasn't the mo I,
I was that kid that I was probably
capable of getting a's in everything.
But there had to be a reason,
like what do I need that for?
And, and a perfect example, when I went
to the careers office, told them I wanted
to join the Marines, they said to me,
you need maths and English A to C. Back
then it was A to C GCSEs, like, you know.
Yeah.
And I, the only two GCSEs I came outta
school with was maths and English.
So I knew I could get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But I had, there had to be
like a, which I think, I think there's,
that's quite bad because it, it just
shows lack of discipline in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Or is it, uh, uh, again,
I can agree to an extent, but today
I think we might call it a DHD.
Speaker: Yeah.
It, I, it is.
And, and I found out,
Speaker 2: yeah, there's no end goal
for for what you are trying to do it.
What's the point then?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Don't understand.
Speaker: Yeah.
The, you know, I was, I, I didn't, I
don't normally, uh, a lot of people now,
when you talk about A DHD, the first
thing they say is, oh, this is my son.
He's got a DHD.
And it's like,
Speaker 2: it's not a label.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just a thing you have
that might make you be a certain way and
act a certain way in certain mannerisms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, but it's not, it's not, I
don't think it should be used as a label.
Speaker: No, I, I agree.
I think I found out in 2023
that I had A-D-H-A-D-H-D and
that was massage with Ranger.
When I was working at Pool,
he asked me to go get a check.
'cause he wanted to, he wanted to know.
And, and I think for
my own benefit as well.
And I was like, yeah, I'll go get a check.
Like I didn't, wasn't really bothered.
But then when they rang me off in
the doc had done an online assessment
and he said, look, you've got a DHD.
It kind of hit me and I thought, well,
hold on a sec. What does this mean now?
Do I need medication?
Do I need to change my
life or my, my habits?
And then the first person I rang,
funny, the old thing was my sister.
And she basically said, well, I could've
told you that when you was for six.
Like, you know what I mean?
She's like,
Speaker 2: yeah,
Speaker: I've got it as well.
Like, we've both got it.
And I think, I think everyone's
got an element of it.
I think this, it's a
Speaker 2: spectrum, right?
It is.
It's not a you've got it or you've not.
It's where we, we all sit on it.
Exactly.
Just some way on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Some way up.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: But yeah, I think
it's, I think it's healthy.
I think, you know?
Yeah.
It doesn't stop me from doing anything.
Speaker 2: Did it change anything in
your life when you got your diagnosis?
Speaker: It just makes me think
like, should I be acting like this?
It, it just makes me pause a
little bit and go like, you know.
Speaker 2: So it was a, it
was a overall good thing then
if it made, I think so, yeah.
Self-reflection on, on
what you were doing.
Speaker: Yeah.
And I don't medicate either.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker: So I don't, I, I've thought
about getting the medication.
I think the three year waiting list has
kind of put me off it a little bit, but
Speaker 2: same, it's not, it's not had
any detrimental effect in my life so far.
Maybe finishing, oh, I just
need to take a, a minute to
think about what I'm doing here.
Yeah, yeah.
How that might be
perceived or come across.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's,
it is not a bad thing.
And it's nice that there's not like
a, oh, I'm a DH, ADHD can't work.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You what,
Speaker: before that?
Yeah, exactly.
I agree.
Speaker 2: And yeah.
When you went to join, how old
were you when you went to join
the, the Royal Marines then?
Speaker: So, I remember, so
originally, and again, this
comes back to my, my mentor, uh.
I went, I joined the Army.
I went to join the Army.
A lot of people now are gonna
be like, he's a have you
Speaker 2: done?
Speaker: So I went, I
went to join the Army.
I went to join the artillery because
I had another granddaddy who was Royal
Artillery, and he was on the, the beat,
he was in the beach landings at D-Day.
Uh, so I went to, me and my mate, Phil, we
went to, is it Glen Co is it Glen Glencoe?
Speaker 2: Glen
Speaker: Co. Yeah.
Of Scotland to do the Armad.
Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So we went and did
that, and we went up there.
I had to come outta school.
I'd take time outta school.
So it must've been 15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: When I went to do that.
And, uh, we went through all the process
and we went up to, uh, Scotland and
I, and I did all the fitness tests.
And then the bloke in there was
like, mate, you're not going
the, you're gonna the Paris.
So I was like, what?
She's like, you've, you've, you've
come top, you know, top three
of, of all these fitness tests.
You, you've got, you
have to go into Paris.
Because I didn't realise how they did.
It was like the fittest go Paris infantry,
and then the next local, you know,
they get subcategorized and everything.
So I was like, okay.
So I come back away from that
past it, I was half that.
I passed it.
Me and my mate Phil both passed.
He was now still going to the
artillery and I was going to the Paris.
Um, and then it was like, I, I literally
got, I got given everything, I got, given
all my, my joint instructions or given
my, my service number and everything.
And this family friend rang me up
the night before and he was like,
if you go to the Army, you'll go
to Germany, Cyprus, Kenya, Ireland.
Now I don't think this is, you
know, a hundred percent true
back then, it probably was.
But he said, if you go in the
Marines, you'll travel the world.
He said, it's up to you.
So you do what you wanna do.
He said, but tell me now why
you're not joining the Marines.
Why you joining the Army?
I said, I'm not fit enough.
And he went, how many pun can you do?
I said, 20.
He just went, I'm gonna
put the phone down.
I'm gonna let you think about that.
He said, bear in mind, I'm a PT
in the roll rings and I can do 15.
And I was like, he
planted the seed in ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And from that day on, I
was like, and I think, I think that
is, we, we still, and we'll probably
come onto online coaching a bit.
Online coaching or any coaching.
It's not about what you can do, it's
what you can get someone else to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And he made me think
without that co that little like.
Conversation.
I'd be in the army now and you
know, I, I probably would've done
exactly the same in the Army as I
would've done to the Marines, but
my dream was to be a, a raw marine.
So he made me achieve my dreams,
and that's what Coach does.
Makes you achieve something that
you thought was never I imaginable.
Yeah.
So, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've fast forwarding,
we're now at Ston on that platform.
Remember it well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice.
How was the, the feeling going there
from being a fat little bully ginger kid?
Yeah.
Speaker: Hideous.
Speaker 2: Wow.
I'm about to like do something.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Pretty damn cool.
Speaker: Yeah.
So you go, obviously you go down
your PRMC, which is now A CPC, so
you, you've already experienced a
platform and everything like that.
And like the, the CPC is like hardest.
You know, all, everything condensed
into like three or four days.
So come away from that CPC, you're
thinking, oh my God, I don't know
if I can do 30 weeks of that.
And it was 30 weeks back then.
I think it's 32 now.
It changes all the time.
It was 36, 34, 32.
But you're always gonna be
around that 30 week mark.
And, uh, you've gotta remember it's
not 30 weeks of that exact day.
You know, you're not doing the
determination test for 30 weeks.
You're doing 30 weeks of commando training
and part of commando training is a
lot, lot of that is lectures and weapon
drills and you know, everything else.
So you do get a lot of downtime.
But yeah, getting off that
platform, 17 years old and I was
just, I got, you got your Iron
Belt island born on new your arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You're like getting on
the train and you see all these
people as well, sat on the train.
So you get down to the platform and
you get off the train and you're
looking around and there's loads
of people sat on the train with
island boards and you're like, mate,
Speaker 2: a bit,
Speaker: but you don't know it.
But you're like, are, nah mate, I'm,
I'm staying off, I'm not gonna get off.
And and they stay on the train.
Speaker 2: Oh,
Speaker: what You don't get off.
Yeah, they bottle it.
Yeah, they used to.
I don't if they still do that
and you can identify 'em because
they've got iron boards, you
know, and they're wearing a suit.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh my god.
You know what I mean?
Like you put all this effort in,
why would you bottle it last minute?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Do
Speaker: you know what I mean?
Uh, and look, doing the job that I do
now, I know that they instantly regret it.
'cause they all message me
now and say I've messed up.
Speaker 2: Glad.
You
Speaker: know what I mean?
But yeah, going down there was, I looked
around a lot of men down there that were
like 24, 25, 28, you know, thirties.
And I'm there at 17 years old and I looked
Speaker 2: for, for the call, correct
me if I'm wrong, but joining really
Youngs, it is a bit more uncommon
than what it is in, in the Army.
Speaker: It was, yeah.
It was there.
There's there's a lot
of younger people now.
Uh, there is a lot more younger people.
I think the optimum age
is probably about 24, 25.
Yeah.
But like, when you join at 17,
nobody really takes you serious.
Uh, but when you join, you
know, we get people joining now.
But I know a friend of mine joined before
he joined, he owned a security company.
So he flew up the ranks
and he joined quite late.
I think he was about 28
or 30 when he joined.
Yeah.
So he flew up the ranks 'cause he was
used to managing people, finances,
you know, logistics, everything.
So, so it, it does favour you a
little bit to join a little bit older.
Yeah.
There's a few people now that message me.
They're like 30, 31.
And they're like, what do you think?
And I'm like, mate, go for it.
Do
Speaker 2: it.
Speaker: Yeah, go for it.
'cause when you hit 33, you'll regret it.
You know, you'll regret never doing
Speaker 2: it.
You lose 100% of the
opportunities you Exactly,
Speaker: yeah.
Speaker 2: And yeah, what worth is,
it's four years of your life and you're
now part of a brotherhood that's Yeah.
That, that is around forever.
And, and it's incredible.
A any, any army, any army, any arm of
the military is, is well worth doing it.
I think we share the same sentiment that
if you definitely, if actually have the
opportunity to join, you should join.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Even if it's for your minimum.
So get in, do it and experience
it, and you'll look back on your
life and be like, I'm so done.
I did
Speaker: a hundred percent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do it all again.
Speaker 2: How was training for you?
Was it
Speaker: tough?
Yeah, tough.
So for the whole thing, like I,
the, the, and it's still the same
today, the, the one thing that I
prepared for the most was the fizz.
And it was the, the thing
that el least needed.
And I'm not saying that, you
know, commando trend is easy.
It's not.
But you actually, you start to look
forward to fizz because it's like,
it's the only part of the day really
where you just forget about everything.
You know, you, you are on your sport.
Uh, you do an IMF, at least you
military fitness, uh, you, you're
running around, you're climbing ropes.
You, you know, you, you're feeling good.
I've never come out of a fiz session and
gone, oh God, I wish I'd never done that.
I've never done that.
And you know, I'm 41 years old and I've
done fiz pretty much every day in my life.
Yeah.
And I've never regretted doing it.
So why would, you know, when you come off
that you get taught by robbery commandos?
The only, you know, the, the
only downside of it really is
that you're always being watched.
So it's, it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But for me, commando
training, I was like, I was
adamant that wasn't gonna pass.
I thought I'm just gonna get on the
train and just see where I end up.
Uh, and I, and I was, you know,
I thought fitness would get
me, and he, and he never did.
And then I wasn't the best recruit.
I was quite, I was, ugh.
I just, I just kind of tagged along.
Uh, and I don't regret saying
that I'll be then honest with you.
I was like part of the troop and
there was all these people there
that were like a lot older than me.
And, and they really, you know,
you, you, you just bond immediately.
Everyone's trying to help each other out.
I was probably one off, if
not the fittest in the troop.
And, and I think, well, to say
that's probably, you can't,
you can't really say that.
'cause you've always got somebody who's
first up the rope and that person won't
be first one round the cup circuit.
Yeah.
So there's all these different elements
of fitness, swimming, running, endurance,
you know, if you look at the components
of fitness, they're all tested.
So you, you're never gonna
be top of all of them.
But, uh, yeah, one of the fittest in
the troop really enjoyed the fizz.
But then when I went in the field,
I really struggled with, uh, like
the discipline and, and the, the,
like, not, not really the soldiering.
I enjoyed the soldiering, but
my mind was like elsewhere I
was thinking about so much.
And that's what really, you know,
when, when you think about quitting,
it's that, you know, you're worried
about, you're cold, you're wet, you're
tired, you're hungry, you're fatigued.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And then you've got, you're
getting tested tomorrow on a nex.
Your weapons rust stay all
dirty and you need cleaning.
You kit's wet, you sleepy.
You know, if you, if, if you've
let everything fall on top of your,
that's slowly, then where you go,
listen, for me, I'm, I'm going.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And you end up
failing yourself, you know?
Um, so the tactic I always used
in, in training or tried to use was
prevention was better than cure.
So don't let your bag get, get wet.
Don't let your your weapon get dirty
or rusty or anything like that.
And just make sure everything,
if you've got spare time, yeah.
Make a quick, wet, a quick
cup of tea or whatever.
But also just have a look at your weapon.
Just, just strip it down
and have a look inside it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Make sure you
are airing your feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, and,
and stuff like that.
Just keep it on top of
all the little things.
Speaker 2: I think that's a
brilliant piece of advice.
Well, isn't it?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Prior preparation
prevents piss poor performance.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Isn't it like they, they go
hand in hand, don't they?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was there anything
during training that you were like,
done, see you later.
Speaker: Yeah, so I got, so I got to week
26 with, with my original troop and, uh.
The week, so week 26 was when you used
to do your ka commando tests and then
you got like a green like rank slide
that you used to wear on the CS 90 fives.
And then you did, uh, field fire
in and final X and then king squad.
So you did, you kind of like pass
your test and then went on final X.
So it was, it was a bit like a false high.
Really?
Yeah.
You didn't get awarded you green bra.
At the end of the 30 mile you got
given a green sash to put on your,
on your, on your, on your slide.
Uh, week 25, you, you went to pool
to do the amphibious landing stuff.
Halfway through that week we
did a beach landing and I hit
my knee on a rock on the beach.
Didn't feel at the time just hit, hit
me li Well I felt it, but like yeah.
Cheers.
Yeah.
And then we carried on going.
We, you got the el the laing crabs
for so long, so you have to keep
going round and practising the
drills while you've got em.
So I was doing that.
Anyway, later on that day, we
got back to the, to the camp
and obviously got dressed, had a
shower, realised I'd cut my knee.
So I cleaned it and thought
it would be all right.
The next day we went back to camp and we
had, uh, the 30 miler, uh, not 30 miler.
So the, a judge course
on the Saturday morning.
This was a Friday, and I could
feel my lee getting like tight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And like I could hear it creaking
when I moved it anyway, didn't say
anything, just cleaned it, scrubbed it.
Got outta bed on Saturday morning,
my Lee was pretty much locked and
it had like a golf ball on it.
And I was like, oh shit.
So it was, it was infected.
My mate was like, mate,
you need to go sick bay.
I was like, nah, no chance
Im gonna do the insurance.
He said, mate, you're gonna fail
the insurance course and then
you'll down as a fail, and then you
won't be able to do any other test.
So it works.
If you fail one, you can carry on,
but if you fail, the next one you
have to get, you get back to it.
So I went to S Bay, I thought Right.
What'll do is hopefully
they can clean this out.
Yeah.
I'll, I'll not do the endurance
course, then I'll do my nine
miler, the taza and the 30 miler.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And then I'll, I'll,
I'll come back and do that.
Anyway, sick mate.
Just pulled me straight out.
They were like, nah, it's
infected you getting back troops.
So week 26 for me was like, I felt like
I'd just been, I'd just been told to go.
Oh
Speaker 2: yeah.
Did it feel like you were a failure?
Like I've, I've got all this
weigh in and I'm, I'm now
Speaker: Yeah.
It was like I never went, I didn't
even know what an, an original was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, I didn't, when
before I went to CTCI didn't care.
I just, I went from a Greek lid.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But then you meet these lads
who become like your brothers, your best
mates, and then all of a sudden you get
taken away from them after 26 weeks.
Yeah.
And I was like, through something
as well that I, like, before my
judge course I'd done three or
four run throughs, passed them all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
So I knew it's not like you were
being backed for being a shit cu or
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah.
Having any issues or anything.
It was a genuine, I've had an accident.
Yeah.
And I've got an injury, which is,
and that's, that's what Hunter
Troupe believe it's called.
Speaker: Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is there
for a reason, isn't it?
It's like, you, you are, you, it's okay.
You've been injured, we're gonna
get you fit and then we're gonna go.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But how is that to like,
deal with psychologically, like,
Speaker: horrific?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh
Speaker: yeah,
Speaker 2: the whole world's
Speaker: done.
So, so, so I think the worst thing
for me was I got, took out the troop,
the lads went and did the drugs.
Course you are now sat in the
accommodation on your own, and
then the lads come back and they're
all like, you have past, have
past, and you're buzzing for 'em.
You, you're happy for 'em.
Of course you are.
But you, you're kinda like,
like, what, where am I now?
Where do I go from there?
And I suppose this is where the
unselfishness comes into the core values.
You know, you've, you've got to,
you, you've got to, you've gotta
like, you know, just kind of park
that, that feeling and just move on.
And the worst part of it for me was like
going, joining or going into another
building of people that I didn't know.
And I was like.
When I would go away, uh, meet new
people and try to try to rebuild
those, those bonds, you know.
Speaker 2: How long were
you back troops for?
Speaker: Two weeks.
Literally two weeks.
He clean the knee out and
I joined the next troop.
So I went to see the south
major that the, of Portsmouth
company, one of the companies.
And I literally looked on the door and I
think he could sense by my body language.
I think I was like, like honestly
just like didn't wanna be there.
He'd obviously read all my reports and
everything, and my reports were like
physically fit, but you know, tactically
unaware, like, you know what I mean?
Because, you know, I was still learning.
You don't do soldier at school
here, you know what I mean?
Um, so, so I, I spoke to him and I just
said, look sir, I said I I just wanna
get out there as quick as possible.
Now if you say that to Port to Hunter
company, that's music to their race.
'cause you, you've got people
in there that they're not as
resilient as other people.
If they've got a little knock on
their shoulder or the, their ankle,
knee, whatever, they're like, oh, you
two weeks in Hunter or, or whatever.
And you know, they'll play on
those injuries a little bit.
Uh,
Speaker 2: they must use it
as a little bit of respite
Speaker: a little bit.
Yeah.
I, I don't like to say that, but
I've worked in Hunter as an ri
I speak to the physios, I speak
to the, the training teams.
We all know it happens.
I wouldn't recommend that I, I,
my recommendation for CTCs get
out there as quick as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Get in, get
it done, get out there.
Because the longer you, it's like a
diving board, you know, when you go
to the edge and you go, you hesitate.
Once you hesitate it, it takes you so, so
much longer to take that step, you know?
So that fear of, oh, I don't wanna join
that training team because their PT
i's a bit of a, a bit of a Hitler or
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: I don't wanna join that because
it's, it's, it's still raining outside
and I want to get in there and get it
done because you're gonna be exposed to
all this when you're a Marine anyway,
so you, you have to just suck it up.
Yeah.
Uh, so yeah, so that, that for me
was probably one of the hardest bits.
Uh, but when I told that to the South mate
was like, providing sick bay happy, we'll
get you out of air in the next troop.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Brilliant.
Speaker: Yeah.
So, so that was it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then
that, that was your done.
Yeah.
Didn't get back squatted again?
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker 2: That was, it didn't
fall over and hurt your knee.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
All good.
Speaker 2: Get boo boo.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How was it when you
finally got awarded your green lead?
Speaker: Oh, mate.
Yeah.
Uh, like still now, like
hairs have just gone up.
Uh, that was everything for me.
'cause I, so I was in Marine
Cadets when I was in, this is the
80 HC now I go back and forth.
I never, it's never a straight line.
It's always like, uh, so I, I think
that 'cause it could help you.
I was at Stop Pot Sea Cadets, which
had a marine cadet detachment.
I, it was brilliant 'cause it got
me used to being away from hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Got me used to
feel like soldiering.
I knew what an SA 80 T was.
I knew what a poncho was, a bivy
bag and knew what core history was.
But, but also you was around people
who were either failed marines or
didn't have the bottle to do it.
Yeah.
So they try and like the, the atmosphere
that was built there was like, oh,
you're never gonna make it in Marines.
Marines are like these people
that eat that just exist or
you'll never be one of them.
Almost like Avengers.
Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: So in the back of my mind there
was that like, am I gonna make this?
Am I gonna do it?
You know, it was almost, and then,
then when you turn up at CTC,
there was people there who didn't
even know what the breeds were.
They just thought it was part of the army.
They didn't have a clue
what the 30 mile was.
So you're like, you sat there
with this boy, you going, oh mate,
what you think about the 30 miler?
He is like, what's that?
What's the 30 miler?
That's somewhere
Speaker 2: I drive.
Speaker: So I don't know what the
best attitude needs to have that,
that fear of knowing what's coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Or the fear.
It's like when you, when you're
running and you know, you
don't know how long's left.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Do you just
keep running or, I dunno.
I think there's, it's probably
a double edged sword, but yeah.
So for me to achieve that, knowing what,
how much I'd been through with like,
joining the army or going to join the Army
and training and, you know, everything
else, like the, the setbacks with the,
with the, with the infected knee, it was
like a massive release of like dopamine.
And, you know, I, I just felt like, yeah,
it felt like I, I, I didn't believe it.
You know, I, my mom and dad came
down, I had loads of family come
down from pass out and to get
that Green Beret, I was like, wow.
Like, and it still feels hard to me now.
So I couldn't understand these
people that, that passed out
and just did like three, four
years and then just went outside.
I was like, did not mean anything to you.
Like, I like that that berry and that
cat badge is, means more to me than,
you know, buy my family anything.
And, and I don't understand why
people don't see the same values.
I share the same values.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker: Uh, so yeah, I think, I
think as well, sorry to, I think it's
knowing what people have sacrificed
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: For me to wear that
Barry, so many people have,
have, have gone before us.
We're the lucky ones that are left
and we have to set the standards
and the values to make sure that
that can continues and, and remains.
I think that's, for me,
that's the, the main thing
Speaker 2: that's, it's quite
refreshing to hear no disrespect to
anyone else, but I think some of the
rural Marines do really, really well.
Is the standard.
Is a standard.
Yeah.
We don't care if you are black,
white, pink, yellow man, whatever
you be, whatever you want to be on
the outside, but the standards are
the standards and if you can pass
the standards and you're one of us.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: a
Speaker: hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And, and the standards
are not changed for anyone.
And the standards have
remained the standards
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For forever.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Like we, we don't, you know, when, when
I get given 60 for fresh recruits, I
don't see, I don't identify colour.
I don't identify gender 60 people.
And when they pass out, they're marines.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: That is it.
Yeah.
I don't care if the man, woman, black,
white, Catholic, Jewish, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You are.
You wanna be part of my club,
show me what you can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Or our club, then
show us what you can do.
And if you're good enough, you're in.
Yeah.
Look, I don't ask.
Speaker 2: Love
Speaker: it.
I'm not bothered about, you know, and I
think that at the moment we're, we're,
we're getting wrapped up in a lot.
I'm not gonna get political and I'm not
gonna talk about it, or I will, you know.
We're getting so wrapped up in
who could join, who can't join.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
And it
Speaker: just winds me up
Speaker 2: trying to be like, I mean
the RF had it, um, one or two years ago
where it was, if you're a white male,
your applications are closed because
we need to increase our diversity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, why don't we just
recruit the best people for the job?
Yeah.
The same as someone comes to work for us.
You could be male, female,
whatever colour you want.
If you are the best person at your
job, you can come and work with us.
Not for us.
With us.
And it's the same, it should
be the same everywhere in life.
Yeah.
But people are so fixated on
Oh, but I might look really bad.
Like no one that's like a
real person actually cares.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like what you identify
as a unicorn for you one.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like shameless plug.
We've
Speaker: got a few of them as well.
Actually
Speaker 2: it's seven.
Love it.
I don't wanna know what
you guys get up to.
You're worse than us.
You are.
Yeah.
So we've now got, um, we
you've passed that training.
We're done.
Yeah.
Um, and looking at some
tours that you've done.
The first one I believe
was, uh, Sierra Leone.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that was
early two thousands.
Speaker: Yeah, 2006.
So it wasn't operate well,
so it got called Op Villa.
So we went out there with 40 commando.
Uh, this was my first exposure
to the jungle and I absolutely
fell in love with it.
Like everything around you,
you're like, it was just like.
Yeah, it's like something
I've never experienced before.
Uh, and we went out there because
obviously four years prior were, was,
uh, the, the, the conflict out there.
So we went out there just to provide
just as a bit of a safety net.
Should the elections kick off again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And there was, there was
corruption between the police and the,
the, the army and, and then the pe.
So you had the police, the army,
and the people, and they're all, you
know, they're all after something
like, you know, they're all scratching
each other's back or whatever.
So we went out there and, and
went to a place called Camp
Hastings where I was, uh,
it was, it was only out there
for about, it was about eight
weeks or something like that.
Uh, nothing kicked off.
Uh, so, so it turned into an exercise
and we did, we did an exercise out there.
And then, but working with the
Sierra Leon, only people, you know,
you're walking around the street.
What struck my eye was like,
how easy, like the, the, the
divide between right and wrong.
You was, you know, he was walking down
the street and he was either looking at
fighting age males carrying machetes, or
he was looking at like fighting age males
in pristine white clothing going to work.
You know, there was
nothing like in the middle.
And, and you'd look at like, that
made me realise about education and
how much we take it for granted.
In, in, in, in our country.
We was doing a patrol one morning and
we was walking through a village and,
and there was a young lad, probably
about 12, and he's come out of this
like shelter, which is his hope, and
he, it, it's literally like made a
clay and Wrigley tin and, and he's
got this white shirt on, which is
like whiter than any of my shirts.
And I'm thinking, how's he wash that?
Like what, he wears that every day to
school and the amount of like, respect
and uh, sort of energy they put into and
effort into going to school and education.
They don't take that for granted.
They, they take that as like a,
a privilege, you know, and that,
that really struck me out there.
Speaker 2: And it's, and we do, don't
we, we take education for granted.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
It's, and you know, it's very easy to,
to slate the schools in the way things
are over here, but we've got, we've
got it pretty damn good to people.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
We know that if you have a, if you
have kids, they're gonna go to school
and, you know, minus extremities,
like they're gonna have a good
education and the opportunities
that they have are, are endless.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whereas you've got
other countries where it's
like you get to go to school.
Wow.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
There's a lot of, I mean, I'm speaking
to a lot of people now that they're
lot sending the kids to school anymore.
They're doing home education
and I think, alright, I get it.
I get you.
You're looking out for your child's
education and wellbeing or future, but
you're taking about that social network.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And they can't, we are
finding people now joining the
Marines, they just can't communicate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, 50% of
communication is body language.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And they're just stood there
like just, you know, looking at you,
Speaker 2: the shell of a person.
Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's nothing about them.
Speaker: It's, yeah.
It's, it's, it's not good.
I think you need that, you know, you
need to be playing football at lunchtime
jumpers for goal pokes, and you need
to be chasing people and interacting
and talking to girls, talking to lads.
You, you lead that.
Otherwise, you, you can't
read someone, you know?
But that, that's my opinion.
Eh?
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like it, Tom Merriman
says homeschooling should be banned.
Oh no, no.
Can't take it.
But yeah, it's a brilliant thing.
You, you can have your own, you
can have your own opinion on
something and you, you're not gonna
be hung, drawn and quarter for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someone's got the right to, to
disagree with you or agree with you.
It's, you know, God bless our country.
Um, not labour.
Um, door, let's carried on.
We've then gone to an early Herrick.
Speaker: Yeah.
Herrick seven.
Yeah.
Harrick seven.
Yeah, Herrick seven.
That was, uh, when was that?
Two?
Well, 2007.
2007, 2008. So I'd just
gotten with my wife Louise.
And uh.
Yeah, she was pregnant before I went.
So I had that going on at home, thinking
about that in, in the background.
Uh, which was a joint decision.
We both, we both wanted, we both
wanted that look cards on the table.
I didn't think I was coming back now,
I was telling the tele on every day,
Eric five, like another Marines died.
Another Marines died.
And this is the way I think about things.
You know, I love my wife to bit, uh, she
was my girlfriend then and, and I thought
I'm the, I'm the only Berryman male.
This isn't like the end of our bloodline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And, uh, I've got all
this going from my head and
I'm like, I'm not going back.
So I need to like, you know,
so we, we had a child before,
uh, obviously Lou was pregnant.
Uh, I went to Afghan.
I had all that going on at home, but
didn't, you know, concentrate on the job.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: I had a really good tour.
Took, well, thank God.
Uh, we lost, we lost three,
which was, you know, terrible.
Mark Radd was on there as well.
So, so he was at F Rob.
Uh, when, when obviously he,
he had his, uh, incident.
There was a lot of IDs, a lot of blasts.
Uh, there was a lot of,
we saw a lot of stuff.
But, uh, I, I was quite fortunate in the
sense that I was moving around a lot.
So I was part of Seals t part of Mor.
I was Morrie, signaler Motors are
obviously set up at unit at, at fobs.
They don't need a signaler
'cause they've got Signaller.
So I just got shifted into Seals tack.
So I was moving around doing
like, you know, miscellaneous
jobs and we went to like Ang in
fob, Rob, fob Jaba, uh, mug West.
So did quite a lot of stuff.
Uh, and then obviously like came
back to Bastion, went out, came back
to Bastion, went out sort of stuff.
So it was good for me that I was
talking to lads with like out there
six months straight or well turning
into eight months out or, and they
were just stuck at like Inman or
Kaja or S whatever for eight months.
Solid.
And they were like going insane.
By the end of it.
They were like, I need
to get over it, you know?
But, but yeah.
Good tour.
Really enjoyed it.
Really lucky, really fortunate to,
to be here to, to, to talk about it.
Uh, yeah.
Speaker 2: And were any
of them your friends?
The three?
Speaker: No.
So, uh.
Jt, uh, took the, I took
the, took the contact report
for JT when he got blown up.
Uh, and then Dave, Dave Marsh as well.
I think he was in the same, I
think he was in the same one.
Uh, so I was fortunate enough not to,
uh, not to, not to be the same, or not to
be there when, you know, that happened.
But taking the contact report in the ops
room was like, fucking hell, no, it's
not, it's not a nice place to be, but you
put yourself there, you know what I mean?
We put ourselves exactly
where, where we are today.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, and, and
that's, that was part of the job.
Uh, I'd say like when
we went on the ground.
So it was a few times when we went on
the ground and, you know, you're at
the gate, the fob gate, you're waiting
for it to open and you're prepped.
And before, before you go out the gate,
you've done, you know, psychologically
you've done orders, you've done rock
drills, you've done, you know, briefs,
you've, you've wrecked the ground, you've
studied the ground, you know what's
happened there before and everything else.
So you've mentally prepared
yourself for what's about to happen.
And I think that is the reason why I,
well, I haven't, I haven't suffered from
anything that happened in Afghanistan.
And I think that's because I've mentally
prepared myself, but the things that
I have suffered from are from things
that have just happened like that.
And, and I like the contact,
taking the contact reports.
It still, it's still
in the back of my head.
And I, and it's like, it's not nice.
It doesn't affect me, but it upsets me.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's not nice to, to, to take
that contact report or listen
to someone panicking on the net.
You losing the friend
trying to save the friend.
That's not nice.
Uh, that upsets me that someone
else is going through that pain.
Not me.
I really care about me.
But that person, that individual, you
wanna do everything you can for you mate.
And you, you, you know,
you're in an locked room like,
ah, mate, we need men now.
And the med's like, yeah, can we just
like mate or you, he's like, I lead my
details, so you need to get these details.
And they're like, yeah, alright, fine.
You are panicking.
And they're like, say up,
give the details, you know?
Yeah.
Uh, so yeah, it's, it
was, it was a tough time.
Uh, but we got through anyway.
Yeah.
We did.
We were lucky.
Speaker 2: Uh, and again, this is where
I think you can relate to the standards.
The standards are the standards and the
honour, our friends that, that aren't
here, don't they, it is, you know,
you're doing it injustice to them.
If you were to lower your standards.
And that's why, you know, so many
guys, we, we did save, um, as like
the coalition forces because of
the discipline we carry through.
But it's, this tour was overall good.
You weren't affected mentally
or physically yourself.
Um, and you're here to tell your
story and to remember, remember
those guys that didn't make it home?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This wasn't your only
tour, you still had another bit there.
Don't think we can touch on too much,
but you've been fortunate enough
to do some stuff with Paul as well.
Speaker: Yeah, it wasn't, I wouldn't
call it at tour, it was, I deployed
with, uh, a lot later on in my career,
like pool, uh, deployed as an asset.
I wasn't badged, I was never
special forces or anything.
Normally when you talk about, you know,
feeling everything, everyone's like, oh,
you've bad, you know, and I wasn't, uh,
I always put that straight out there.
As soon as I say that, I'm, you know,
uh, I was there as an enabler just
to have a look at what they do on
the ground and, you know, uh, try
and fix it or try and not fix it,
but, uh, like prepare it better.
So there was a lot of soft tissue,
a lot of lads coming back from
deployments with soft tissue injuries.
Uh, so I, as an s and c coach and a rehab
instructor and, you know, I I, I went
to see if we could design something or
programme prior to them going out just
to make, put 'em in a better position
that, you know, spending a lot of time
sat in vehicles like this with body,
body kit on plate carriers, helmets.
And so the necks are
going, the backs are going.
Yeah.
You know, they're getting outta
the cars at the end of the day
and the, they're stiffening up.
So it's just a case of keeping 'em mobile,
keeping 'em on the ground and yeah.
You know, that was it
really, but it wasn't.
But to see how they operate
was that opened my eyes.
Yeah.
It like the assets that
they've got and Yeah.
And things like that.
And I won't, I won't talk about anything,
uh, 'cause I, well, I can't and, and
two, it'd be unfair 'cause it's not
my, it's not my the main, but to see
like the way they welcomed us in as,
as enablers and, and to watch them do
their job and how professional they were.
You know, if, if, if soldier is what
you, what you wanna do at, have a
look at that as an end game because
it's, it's quite unique what, what
these guys do on a daily basis.
Like, you know,
Speaker 2: in between these two
tours between Herrick and doing your
bits with Paul, you had a accident.
Speaker: Yeah, I did.
Yeah, it, well, it was, uh, I'll, I'll
start getting a bit, uh, like I, I'll
struggle to get, I struggle to get this
out a little bit when I talk about it.
'cause I'd start to relive it a
little bit, so apologise now if
it, if it, I go all over the place.
But it was, uh, so it was
actually before Afghan.
Uh, and, and again, this probably,
uh, brings me back to like not
preparing for what's about to happen.
So, like I said, when you're in
Afghan, you are alert all the time.
Even if you're on Baine or
Canda High, you know, the big.
You know, uh, the big camps,
you, you, you are waiting for
an a PG strike or you know, you,
there's always something going on.
You're always, you're always
thinking, you are always preparing.
And when you go to the fobs and the
outposts, you're, you're even more alert.
So you are your sensor, your
sensors are always heightened.
On this day, I, mine weren't, uh,
and I kind of dropped my guard and
I think that's what really affected
me, uh, later on in, in my life.
So we was, uh, we was on PDT
pre-deployment training for Afghan.
And, uh, like I say, I
was motor troop signal.
I was in a bv, uh, like a
Viking band and vehicle.
Uh, and I was in the front
left hand seat driving it.
The boss was in the, in the front.
Sorry, I was in the front left.
Yeah, left.
He was in the front right.
Uh, and the vehicle just broke down.
It just, it was hot day, it was in June.
Uh, it just, you know, those vehicles,
I dunno if you use 'em in the army, bvs,
but they're notorious for breaking down.
They're designed for Norway.
Yeah.
We use 'em in like summer
on Soulbury plane and stuff.
So, so I was, I was
driving, I was driving.
It broke down.
We called for help.
So we had to wait for the VMs to come.
The VMs came within about an hour
or something, fix the tow bar.
They told us back to come
as the towed us back.
We we're going up this big hill
and like, they're not powerful.
They're not designed to, to really
be like, you know, endurance vehicles
and it's chugging up his hill.
And I remember been sat in the
back and saying to the boss like, I
don't think we're gonna make this.
And, uh, we made a few jokes about it.
Anyway, we got over the brow on a
hill and he kept the accelerator on.
And, uh, we, we kind of catapulted
over the top, you know, like when
you go up on a, on a, on a, on a
fairground ride and you feel that thud.
And we, we went, it was a fixed
line, so we weren't gonna hit,
we weren't ever gonna fit, you
know, a a hit the back of the bv.
And then we started sneaking
and it was clear that he'd lost
control of his vehicle as well.
So we're coming down and you know what
solds be like, it's just full of hills and
gravel tracks and, and we're coming down.
And then the bo I remember the boss
saying, I'm sure he said something
like, if he hits the brakes we're
fucked and then this fucking red
light just come on in front of me.
And I was like, why?
If he hadn't said that, I wouldn't.
Yeah.
You know, I wouldn't have fought anything.
And uh, and then we started skidding
then, and then he obviously knew
what he was talking about, boss.
And uh, and then we start
skinning and then we went over.
He, he, he come off the track.
I think he, he must've gone onto the
grass to try and get some purchase.
'cause we're just sliding
down this gravel track.
And we went over the grass and there's
a grass verge and, and he's gone over.
All right.
And then as we've come over, we've kind of
took a bounce and then we've gone up and
we, we've started to rotate on my side.
So we're coming over and it's
all this slow motion now.
Uh, then just, just get
getting rolled over.
We did a full 360 and then as
we went over again, the bus got
thrown out and then I, it landed.
So I was like down there and like
the bv, like I don't bv you've got
like a gearbox here, you, you, you
in, and then you like, yeah, it's
pretty much similar to this seat.
To be fair.
You head, you've got no head protection.
And uh, the gearbox is
all on top of me now.
And I was like literally in this
foetal position, grinding to a hal.
And, uh, I was still breathing, but it
was literally like, I couldn't, I couldn't
expand my chest, so I was like literally
just getting little gasps of oxygen, eh,
and I looked up and I could see the vm.
He'd got out of the, he'd got out
the front and he, I, I saw him
look under, and his, his facial
expression just told me everything.
I thought either the legs come
off or something, I don't know.
Something's happened.
And then the boss come over.
Fair play of the boss.
He just, we could have
been on fire or anything.
He just fucking darted straight
underneath, crawled underneath, grabbed my
hand and he's just, ah, did wake up, wake
up and he's like, smacking me in the face.
Like, J just stay awake.
Stay awake.
And I could, I was drifting in and out.
I was like, a hundred percent.
That bloke saved my
life a hundred percent.
Uh, ah, I was just, I was out of it.
Uh, yeah, so, so he was talking to me, the
VMs on the phone calling nine, nine nine.
And, 'cause he was on a training
area, the ambulances were getting
to all the gates, but they were all
locked so they couldn't get the gates
open for the ambulance to come in.
So then they dispatched the helo.
So the helo iss on his way now.
And then, uh, the first thing that got
to me was like, uh, after 20 minutes
was, uh, like one of the estate cars.
So the doctor, he come out, he put
some ma oxygen mask over there and
put some morphine in me straight away.
And then he's talking to me, taking
all my vitals and everything.
And I'm like, I can, I can, like I
say, you know, when you are in these
sort of situations, your sensors get
heightened, hear and smell everything.
And then this fire engine turns off
and they started, they're having
a discussion about getting me out
and they're talking to the VM and
they're like, that's, that's battery.
That's fuel.
You can't go in through the back.
They put a jack underneath at
first start, winching it up.
'cause it, they made out fibreglass, so
it was just cutting straight through the
vehicle and dropping it even more on me.
So they had to, they had
to stop that immediately.
And then, uh, they, they found a way
they had to go through the batteries.
In the end it's like, we can't
cut the fuel, we have to go
through the acid, so, but there's
gonna be battery acid everywhere.
So they, they went through the,
the batteries, uh, and then they
managed to, after it was about 90
minutes, I was under there for, they,
they, they managed to get me out.
And I remember it's just release
pressure and like sunlight in my eyes.
I was like, felt like being
born, you know what I mean?
I was like, couldn't open my eyes,
couldn't see anyone, couldn't
even tell you who was there.
You know, David Beckham could've
been there for all I knew.
I, I didn't, I didn't have a clue
who was there or what was going on.
And all, all this time they'd
been giving me morphine.
And uh, and I remember this helicopter
and he put me on this helicopter.
I got some more morphine and
then lights out was, was gone.
Don't remember anything after that.
Uh, I remember the, I got
the props on the helicopter.
Uh, I think the, the light.
A light, literally they
handed me over on the runway.
I can remember, I can remember a doc.
They were giving two briefs
and then that was it.
I was gone.
And, uh, I woke up in the hospital with
a padre, stood over me saying prayers.
And it's like.
I've not seen it for a while, but
for a good 10, 15 years afterwards.
10 years, yeah, about 10 years.
I could see this padre in my sleep.
Like I'd wake up and I'd see this vision.
So that, that had a massive effect on me.
Uh.
Think the biggest, the biggest takeback
from that was how, how cheap life was.
It had been taken like that I,
I was gone and then after that
I started adopting bad habits.
I was drinking, I was smoking,
I was not doing phase.
I was, I was not doing, I was not
working, you know what I mean?
I was, I was just a bit
of a dick to be around.
Uh,
' Speaker 2: cause there were
coping mechanisms right?
After what?
Speaker: Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
I think, I think subconsciously there
was pain and I couldn't feel the pain.
I couldn't see the pain, I couldn't feel
it, but I was, I was kind of being someone
who I wasn't, you know, that, that person
who was determined to get his green
lane and determined to get his maths in
English and determined to kind of gone
kind of thought, what's all this for?
Do you know what I mean?
What, why are we even here?
What's the point?
I, I don't know.
I honestly don't know what what was
going through my head at the time.
Uh, and then I went to Afghan after
that and, and I'll be honest, I
didn't think about once in Afghan.
I didn't have time to, I was too
busy thinking about, thinking
about the operation and everything.
It didn't affect me at all in Afghan.
But then when I came back and I had
time to think that's what he got me,
you know, when it's like you're not
getting up in the morning, you're not
doing truth fair, you're not, you're not.
Speaker 2: What was the pivotal
moment when, because evidently
you've turned that around completely.
What was the point where you're
like, this isn't, this isn't okay.
I'm not okay, I need to,
I need to do something.
Speaker: 8th of March, 2020.
But, uh, so it was a long time after,
it was times in between where I'd been
to get help and to speak to people.
Uh, and I tried different things, but
on the 8th of March, 2020 was the day
where I just like, this has to stop.
Jamie Sanderson, a Ladu owns, is a
former sniper and he owns Rock to
Recovery, the Mental Love charity.
I dunno if you're familiar with
Rock Recovery, brilliant Charity.
And he, I remember he said to me,
without change, there'll be no change.
And he was 100% right.
If you keep waking up in the morning
thinking that you're gonna, it could be
anything, like you lose weight, you know,
I'll lose, I'll start my diet tomorrow.
I, I, I'll stop smoking tomorrow or
I'll, I'll be healthier tomorrow.
It's never gonna come.
Tomorrow will never be it.
Yeah.
'cause you're already in today, so it has
to be, now you have to change it now that,
along with Sam Sharif from reorg, uh,
who I was kind of inspired by him because
he was like, he would, he was like the
first Marine that I met who didn't drink.
Yeah.
And I was like, you are a fucking weirdo.
Why are you not drinking?
Like, and, uh, I think the
question I should have been
asking was, why am I drinking?
Like, yeah.
You know?
'cause there's a big, there's a
famous saying, not just in the
Marines, in the military, in
life, if you can't drink, don't.
And I couldn't drink.
I used to love it.
I used to love going out and socialise.
I'm a very sociable person.
I love being around people.
But you don't need to
drink to be around people.
You know, you don't need to drink beer
or, or alcohol to be around people.
It's the person that, that you know, that
you want to talk to, not the alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: I'm not the pissed person,
you know, so I, I think that kind
of inspired me to go, well, if
he can do it, then I can do it.
You know?
And like he's inspired so
many people with BJJ and, and
everything else that he's done.
He inspired me to, to give up drinking.
And it's the best decision I ever made.
Speaker 2: Does Sam know this?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
He won't take it.
He's very humble.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker: But uh, he
just kind of like, yeah.
Uh, have you seen that over there?
Yeah.
It just change the subject immediately.
So yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he knows
it and he knows, he knows what work
he's done and how he's helped people.
Speaker 2: At this point in your
career, by the eighth for March,
2020, were you already a PTI?
Speaker: Yeah.
I was PTI was I a sergeant?
I don't think I was a sergeant.
No.
I was a PTI, so I passed.
So that's quite an important
thing to mention as well.
Actually, I think I,
I got my PTIs, I achieved
that in June, 2008.
In 2008 or 2009, I should know this.
I'll get the OG in because I've
obviously forgotten what day I badged.
Uh, so it was June, 2000
and I think it was nine.
Uh.
And I was 23 years old.
I'd, I'd died, I'd had a
kid, I'd gotten married.
I had achieved everything I
wanted to achieve in life.
So that, from that, the next
day was the first day I woke up.
I didn't have an agenda.
I had no purpose.
I had nothing to live for.
I was like, well, I to live
for, but I had no to-do list.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
And
Speaker: that I is, is, I
think it's really important.
We, we speak about, we speak
about that and mental health
because, you know, you dream.
I speak to these, these young lads and
ladies now who want to be role marines and
I'm like, just make sure there's a plan B.
Just make sure you know where
you want to go when you pass out.
You know, what do you wanna do?
I just wanna get a green lid.
That's, you'll get a green lid.
If you put the effort
in, you will get one.
But what, for what reason?
If it's just so you can put it on
Facebook or it's just so you can
make your dad proud or whatever.
You do it for someone
else, it's not gonna work.
Yeah.
You have to want it.
And then there has to be
a So what for what reason?
Like what's next?
Ml, PTI, dl, you know, sf, what is it?
And, and that I think is important.
'cause a lot of people they pass out in
the wrong reads and they think that's it.
You've just opened the gates.
Speaker 2: But that, that's
where it starts, isn't it?
You've done, you've done the most
basic of basics to be a soldier.
Same as in the Army and I remember
of, so, um, Tom Fisher's name was, and
it was, uh, now your career starts.
Yeah.
And it really is, isn't it?
Speaker: It it, yeah.
I won't, I wouldn't say
it's the most basic.
It, it, it's obviously
a lot harder than most.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker: So you, you, but so
there is a sense of achievement.
Like you, you can join, uh, you can join
some forces and, and, and I, I think
you should join the army in the navy,
the REF and still feel achievement.
There's not, there's no superior,
you know, it's a lot harder.
It is a lot harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Look, what I'm trying
to say is, look, we are an elite
force along with the powers.
We're an elite force and people
recognise us as elite force.
Yeah.
But you can still, if, if, if
joining the Navy is what you wanna
do or joining the, the army is
what you want to do, that's fine.
That's, that's what is your goal be?
You don't try and be a Marine because
someone else wants you to be a breed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You have to know what you want
and you have to, you have to get that.
'cause no one else can be you.
Yeah.
I have to be Tom Merriman.
'cause no one else will be Tom Merriman.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So understand what you want
and why you want it, and then go.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker: And, and, and I think a
lot of people don't work this out
until halfway through commando
training or on the CPC course or
maybe even when they've passed out.
Like, uh, what doing this, oh, I've
Speaker 2: done this.
Yeah.
I think I better touch one when I say
the most basic of basics, so I don't get
slated for saying raw marine trends easy.
By that I meant like as a
raw marine, your initial.
Um, 30 odd weeks.
That's the most basic that
your career's gonna get.
The same as an RAF pilot
who's going doing that for
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right At the start of your
career, that's the most basic your career
is going to be for your chosen job.
I
Speaker: thought I'd highlight
Speaker 2: that just
Speaker: so
Speaker 2: I, shit.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: no,
Speaker: I'll, I love you
Speaker 2: before I get absolutely roasted
and me MeMed out of, across social media.
Yeah.
Speaker: But no, I, I get you,
you, you've literally, you've,
you've just put your foot in the
water, but you're in the water.
So now we need to start swimming, you
know, and we need to like, what's next?
What's next, what's next?
And, and that, I think a classic
example I always use is Tyson Fury.
When you look at Tyson Fiori,
what he achieved, how he achieved
it, he told everyone he was
gonna be the world champion.
Everyone laughed at him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And he was like, right.
That's fuel to my fire.
Yeah.
And he went out and he did it for every
single day he woke up knowing that
the goal was to be world champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And then he
went out and he got it.
Then after that, mental health kicked in
because he had nothing to wake up for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And he's a classic example
along with many others to go,
well, I need to fill my calendar.
'cause if I'm not filling my calendar,
there's no, there's no purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Have you got a golfer when
evidently at some point
Speaker: leave
Speaker 2: your career?
Will we finished?
You can't stay in forever.
Speaker: Yeah.
There's, there's stuff,
there's stuff going on.
There's, there's people who are looking
out for me, uh, and, and have asked
me to, to do some work with them.
Uh, one of them, I will mention him
because he's, he, again, he's been
another real big influence in my life.
So, Nick Olive, former core,
I said he's created a company
with our Weldon called Ethos.
And they've, they've asked me to be a
part of that, which I felt an absolute
privilege to, to be a part of it,
because I'm surrounded by good people
that just wanna achieve good things.
And it's not financially
driven, it's habit driven.
Trying to, trying to create good
habits and create good people and,
and, and teach, you know, good
behaviours, which is what I enjoy.
You know, the stuff I do online is free.
I'm not motivated by money.
I'm not, I never have been.
I, I, I respect money.
I understand it's there.
I think one of the, you know, when
I talk about my mom and dad always
creating good habits, one of the
main habits that we lived on when
we were younger is that some people
are so poor, all they have is money.
I think Bob Marley said it, and it, and
it's, it's a very, very true saying.
I, I, I speak to quite a lot of people.
I, I, I run a mental health
organisation, uh, and it's, uh.
It helps people that are struggling
with, with purpose of being in stuff.
Some of those people are millionaires.
A lot of those people are millionaires.
And you know, mental health
doesn't recognise money.
It doesn't recognise rank.
If you're having it, you're
fucking having it, you know?
And, and, and, and I think it's important
you understand that people just think
you, you either, the question all the
time you won the, if you won the lottery,
what would you, what would you do?
And still be Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
You
Speaker: know, I'm not gonna turn it
to Superman overnight or anything.
Like
Speaker 2: what, what would happen?
Like I might buy some nice
things and I'll, I'll carry
on, wake up and do what I do.
Yeah.
Today I'll just get to enjoy
some things that I might not
have been previously able to do.
But it's, yeah, it is.
I don't wanna say it's the root
of all evil, but people think
money will make you happy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It'll make you comfortable.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Won't make you happy.
Yeah.
Who you are, the people
you associate with.
That's what, what makes, especially
me, that's what makes me happy.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People I get
to associate with and do.
Um, how long have you
been in the core for now?
Speaker: 24 years.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Not a short stint.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker 2: How long have
you got left, do you know?
Speaker: So I leave, I'm due
to leave in November 20, 27.
Uh, so, you know, it, it's,
I'm ready, I'm ready to leave.
But it, it works for me.
The core works for me and, and I think,
you know, there's a lot of people.
I've had a stayed in Stockport
and I live in Miff now, so
literally, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's ideal for work.
Speaker: Yeah.
10 minutes from CTC well, five minutes,
uh, 40 minutes from 40, uh, an hour
from the Plymouth basis or just over.
Uh, so it, it works, you know, the
Southwest, I, even when I was at Pool,
I was commuting to pool and back.
Um, so I've got no reason.
I still enjoy the core.
I still, I'll always speak highly
of the core and I remember there's
a lot of people leaving now saying,
oh, it's not what it used to be.
And it's not, the core's
not what it used to be.
It's 24 years older.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, no one's, what they
used to be 24 years later and low organ,
low organisation is, I dare if you look
at Apple and Google and everything else
24 years ago are completely different.
Yep.
But I can remember when I, when I joined
40, uh, I was about three years into my
career and I was, I was doing my journey
routine and I bumped into Al Lad in the
gym and he was doing his leaving routine.
He was leaving the court and he
said, oh, you just joined us.
I was like, yeah, yeah.
He said, oh, I'm leaving the court.
I'll leave tomorrow.
He said, good luck with your career, mate.
He said, this is shit.
It's not what it used to be.
Now he was thinking that 24 years
ago, and I've just had 24 years
of the best years of my life.
And so I guarantee anyone joining
tomorrow will feel exactly the same.
And you know, there's a saying that we
have, there's no, there's no such thing
as a shit run show, just shit runners.
And it's, it's exactly that.
You can go to a camp and you
can think it's rubbish, but it's
the people you're surrounded by.
That's the core to me.
It's the people I meet,
the mates and the memories.
So no, it doesn't matter when you join the
brothers and sisters and stuff like there.
Speaker 2: Gonna change
our course that we're here.
So evidently you're not.
And I have to say this about being rude.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker 2: When you were growing
up social media and phones and
technology, this wasn't a thing.
Like when you went to school you
probably went and like a horse
and cart and had a chalkboard.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Because you're that old.
How does someone that's growing
up without this technology and a
lot of people see your face and be
like, oh, this is the commando PTI.
Yeah.
From from social media, how did
that come about and how, you know,
you've done very, very well with it
from a, you know, and I, including
myself, I didn't grow with technology.
We didn't have phones at school.
Yeah, yeah.
Mobile phones weren't a thing.
And now it's, it's there.
It's all that I'm sat here
with my iPad, like Yeah.
How to use it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: But,
Speaker: um,
Speaker 2: how did it come about?
Speaker: So, first of all, I take
no credit for the commando PTI.
Alright.
I created it.
I've probably been a little bit ary there.
Um, it, it's, it's basically
giving the candidates what
they want and what they need.
They need 100% correct content.
That's what they want.
That's what, that's what we
need to give them cost free.
Uh, we, I worked out, we, we, we was
after, when I came to CTC, I was supposed
to be transitioning out the Marine.
I left pool, done three years at pool.
I came to CTC and like anything, as
soon as I come to an environment,
I try to, I kind of just,
you know, dive in head first.
And I looked at the environment and I
was looking at these CPC candidates.
And I think there was one particular
like c candidate preparation
course where we had 60 join.
Now a lot of them will fail 'cause
of medical 'cause you have to do
your medical there and there, I
think we lost about 15 on medical.
And then by the end of it were
finished with nine, nine candidates.
And uh, being the boss and the other
PTI, we sat down at the time, we
were like, we need to change this.
So instead of speaking to the successful
candidates, I called in all the failures.
And I was like, right, what are you doing?
How are you preparing for this?
And they're reeling out all these online
culture and I'm like, God, right, what?
Show me what you're doing.
And it was, it was clear that, you know,
they weren't, it's like I said before,
coaching's about coaching is a small town
in Hungary, you know, it designed cart.
And those cats were designed
to take people from where they
are to where they wanna be.
It's not about what I can do.
It's not about how good I
look 'cause I don't look good.
It's not about how big I am.
It's not about how much I know.
It's about what I can get you to do.
And if I can get you to achieve
your dreams, I've passed.
I'm a coach.
I'm getting you from where
you are to where you wanna be.
And that's, that was the aim of the PTI.
And that's always been
the aim of the Corona PG.
It's not about me.
Very few of the videos have me in it.
It's normally my voice over the top.
'cause one 'cause I
don't like being filmed.
And two, because they need to see
what's going on in the bottom field
in the gym, on the endurance course.
They need to see that.
They don't need to see me climbing
a rope or doing pullups or anything
if I'm demonstrating an exercise.
Alright, that's fair enough.
But that was the purpose of it.
And that's what we tried to initiate, I
think the social media side of it, that's
thanks to my 18-year-old son, I think.
So I was getting up in the morning, I
was going to work and my son is now 18.
That was a Ladu, that's Harry The
Ladu we had before went to Afghan.
He's getting up in the morning.
He sat at the table and he's there with
his phone out and he's like, doing this.
And I'm like, right.
Stop.
Whatcha doing?
He's like, oh, I'm just
getting rid of that.
He's on TikTok or Instagram or whatever.
He's like, why are you getting
rid of that music shit?
Right.
Okay.
What, what makes you, you know, so,
so I, I might put video out there
and put like Oasis on it, which
are cool at the moment, but they
weren't, you know, before Live 25.
Yeah.
You know, stone Roses, it was a
Stone Roses, the Rolling Stones,
Bruce Springsteen, you know, all
these musical gods that I look up to.
And I put out there a 15, 16, 17
year old's gonna be like, boring.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So I then observed
him and I said, right, why are
you moving that on too long?
Video's too long, music's rubbish.
Doesn't come on to his feed 'cause
the hashtags aren't correct.
So he taught me everything I kind
of learned about social media
subconsciously without telling me.
I'm just watching it.
And I'm like, why is he listening to that?
And I'd start using the music off
that track and everything else.
And, and also we, we were, we were quite
fortunate to have some good media guys
around us, uh, who captured the, the, the
content and stuff like that at the moment.
The Kaman.
PTI is a bit of a grey
area with the raw Marines.
I don't know where it's going.
I don't if it'll carry on going.
I don't know.
It's, it's, it's doing a job.
It's influenced and inspired thousands.
It's recruited, attracted and prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Thousands.
And it's also saved lives for free.
Say again?
For free?
For free.
Free for free.
So I did, um, I've gotta add,
so I created a school account.
Yeah.
Because one, we didn't have a
school account, so I thought, right.
We need to get on that platform as well.
And it was a, a monthly fee of, I can't
remember how much they were charging me.
So I basically pointed to school,
can we, can we do it free?
I ba I emailed school and
said, can we do it free?
And they were like, no,
it has to be subscribed.
So I said, right, what's the, the
minimum cost I could do this for?
So they were like $10 a month, which at
the end of it, I think it ends up about
six pound and 54 or something like that.
So that money has gone into, it's
definitely not generating income or
generating profit because the amount of
money that I pay for contracts, insurance
folds, you know, adverts and everything
else, it doesn't even touch aside.
So, but there's, there's been a few
conversations where they're like, well
you, you're getting paid for that.
I'm not getting paid for that.
That's in an account.
It's ready to go to a charity
whenever I click the board.
But it's covering the monthly
costs subscriptions as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So, so that's, that
was the reasoning behind that.
And then obviously, you know, there,
there's the, uh, Instagram account
and Facebook and everything on it.
So all that's free.
Yeah, free programming as well.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
See a lot sharing a lot of stuff from
guys that are Oh star, thank you so much.
I've gone CPC, I've smashed, I've
done that, like I said, from before
where you were, what, three outta 60?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You've got through to then.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: What, where are you at today?
If you were to take a course through CPC?
How, what out those 60, how many
do you reckon would, would pass,
be able to get through to trade?
Speaker: So, so again, the
medical, the medical's a big one.
Uh, 'cause you can turn up down
there and, and, and not know that
you're gonna fail on medical.
And it's not their fault really.
So we lose about, I'd
probably say 20% medical.
Uh, you're gonna lose at
least 12, 15 on medical, maybe
sometimes less, sometimes more.
And then a lot of, a lot of
the candidates of V dub it, uh.
We're probably finishing
at the moment with a bow.
Anything from 10 to 20
out in the, out in the 50.
But as, as well, the courses
aren't as full as it used to be.
Uh, and it's a tough one
as well at the moment.
'cause this time of year we have OSCs
going through and stuff like that.
So some of the, some of the courses are
split with officers and, and candidates.
Um, but yeah, a lot of the people
are just not, I don't know.
I, I don't know why they're not,
they're not preparing, they're not
thinking about what they're joining.
Uh.
You know, not everyone can be a Marine.
We have to understand that.
Uh, just 'cause we can drive a car
doesn't mean we can go and compete against
Lewis Ham on a, on a, on a racetrack.
You know, you've gotta, you've gotta
understand what you're capable of.
You've gotta put the effort in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
And the whole world should
work with that attitude.
Like Yeah.
Just gonna hurt your feelings.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
Yeah.
You know, you're allowed
to have your feelings hurt.
If you're not good enough to do something,
you're not good enough to do it.
Yeah.
And it's as simple as that.
Like, sorry, that's, that's
what the standards are.
The standards, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
I think, I think for me, I always talk
about this whenever I speak to people.
Like there's, we'll have conversations
in the office and they'll go on for days
and they're like, what, what is going on?
What is going on?
And, and 10 years from now,
the same, the same team will be
having the same conversation.
But for me, I think everything
changed when, when we, when we
brought in that everyone wins a
medal at sports day at school.
'cause from that day onwards,
we weren't accepting failure.
Failure's a big part of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Every day you fail.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know?
And, and you have to understand when you
failed, how you failed, why you failed,
and how are you gonna overcome that?
Otherwise you don't grow.
That's growth.
You know, when you go to the
gym, you, you, you damage tissue
that then repairs and it grows.
That's failure.
The tissue's failed.
It's damaged.
Yeah.
And then it, and then
it repairs and grows.
And that's what we're doing as humans.
You know, you're never
the finished product.
You can always learn
something from someone.
I learn so much from the candidates,
you know, as I said, the wrong reads.
I probably shouldn't be
saying that, but I do.
I learn how to speak to them.
I learn how to engage with 'em.
I learn what's going through their head.
How do I shape my
content to, to suit them?
Not to suit them, but to, to attract
them or to, to get them to engage more.
Speaker 2: And saying, you shouldn't,
as a Sergeant Marines think that,
that you absolutely should be.
And that shows good leadership.
You're not there.
Like, that would be a boss.
You follow me?
You do what I say.
I know best.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But a leader, you
know, you can take, well do it.
Take advice for anyone else.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's brilliant
that you can say things
Speaker: about, one of the, again,
looking at that, I spoke to Sam
about this actually the other day.
The first, like, the first act of teaching
of coaching that we ever go through.
One of is learning how to walk.
You know, we, we learn to
walk before we can talk.
And we do that by watching.
We watch our parents and we sit
there and we'll watch and we're
like, well, I've got two of them.
Maybe I can do that.
You don't go to school, sit in a row
and go, right, these are your legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You're gonna put
this one forward, then you're
gonna put this one forward.
You learn by observing
it's learned behaviour.
And this is something that, that gets
lost a little bit, I think in society
today is our kids cognitive age,
you know, three to 11, a scientist
they'll argue and probably know, but
it's roughly around that sort of age.
We absorb so much from our parents.
Little things like, you know, behaviour
manners, road rage, you know, shouting
at a TV when the football's on.
Yeah.
All that sort of stuff.
It all transfers into life.
We forget that sometimes I forget it.
I do it.
I shout on the TV every
time I'm a Mal United fan.
So I've been shouting at the TV since
20, for a while, since 2013, mate.
Yeah.
But you know, it, it's, it's, and
we're gonna get it wrong, but we, we
have to understand that, you know,
we have to, we have to get it right.
We have to do our best, you know.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
I'm gonna selfishly now ask
you about combat fuel, but
Speaker: yeah, let's do
Speaker 2: it.
And, and just for anyone watching what's
Speaker: combat fuel?
Speaker 2: Um,
Speaker: I, joking.
It's
Speaker 2: just a thing.
It's not my protein, but not shit.
Speaker: Okay.
Then,
Speaker 2: um, just, just for
anyone to watching this is like,
Speaker: yeah.
Speaker 2: Your personal opinion.
This is nothing to do with
the ENS or anything like that.
This is just products that you use and
why you would use them for yourself.
So Yeah.
Think we've got a few of them out there.
Yeah.
Things that you, you use.
Um, do you wanna talk us through them?
Speaker: So the protein of the
creatine is, is like, I've got
creatine in my, in my water bottle now.
I think creatine is
like, uh, unbelievable.
And, and I think the research came
out recently that it can be stored
in the, in the mind, in the brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Yeah.
Really good for cognitive performance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Delaying early onset dementia.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fantastic product.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so, so creatine and,
and the, and the protein.
I, I, I love, uh, the zeta MAs, the,
the, the, the joint, the joint capsules.
I found 'em really useful, really helpful.
But, um.
I had to come off in because
I was, I was, was just taking
too many, you know what I mean?
I was, I was doing too much of it and
I was like forgetting 'em as well.
I wasn't disciplined so I wasn't
getting up in the morning taking
all my capsules and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Um, so I found it, I found it quite,
when you've got a DHD, you wake up last
minute and you've like bang, bang, bang
out the door and you shit, shit got them.
So, but what I will say is that my
13-year-old son who loves the gym,
loves rugby, loves anything fitness.
He's got the, he takes
his NMAs now before bed.
And he said to me the other day,
can you get some one of those NMAs
because I find I sleep so well.
He said like, like, and it's
interesting that he says that because
like I think I'm so, uh, hyperactive.
Caffeine doesn't have an effect
on me anymore 'cause I'm just
constantly operating in the red
and I know that's unhealthy.
I need to, I need to, you
know, bring that down.
Uh, it's, it's something
I need to work on.
But for him to say that, 'cause he's
a, you know, natural 30-year-old boy
and feels that there enemy's working.
Yeah.
I think he's proof that these, these
supplements are, are top quality
and, and do what they say on the tin.
But the protein of the creative
for me, I can't get enough.
So I've only got truck outside
and wait till Rob the factory.
When you turn, I might shout
help of getting a minute and
Speaker 2: That's right.
Leah's here.
Leah beat you up.
Yeah.
Leah actually runs combat through.
I'm just like the pretty face of it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She does everything that's
like important and she, you know, you
talked about your son being social media.
Yeah.
I'm not saying Leah's really young 'cause
she's like not that much younger than me.
Yeah.
She stood here like frowning her.
Yeah,
Speaker: yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know, like you
need to do more of your social media.
I'm like, I don't,
Speaker: yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that helped us grow like
massively through social media, you know,
like so many cogs to combat from now.
And it's,
Speaker: I think that's, that's
where we, men are quite lazy.
Uh, we, we just see what's in front of
us and I think that's where, you know,
getting back to, well, not getting back to
you 'cause we've not spoke about females.
That's where females will become really
useful I think in the Royal Marines.
Yeah.
Is that product productivity?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: They're very, you know, I
said having this conversation the
other day, a female in business is
very good at thinking about the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Planning the prep.
Yeah.
You know, the organ, have you got this?
Have you got that?
If we go to the beach.
I'll have my trunks and
a towel, you know, take
Speaker 2: trunks.
Speaker: Yeah.
Budgie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All the time.
Um, MIIS is the one who will, who
will pack the sun cream and Yeah.
And, and the, you know, the, the,
the picnic and she'll think about
the, the, the wraparound we get
Speaker 2: there.
I do wanna get there.
Yeah.
Speaker: We're like, we we're burn.
Like, you know, we have,
you know, everything else.
So, so she, you, I think we, that
is, it's interesting you say that
about the business because females
in business are, are very, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think on females, again,
it sounds like really sexy, doesn't it?
Females, but because you're
married to one, how have you
stayed married for so long?
Because mil military relationships,
Speaker: my wife asks that every day.
Speaker 2: And it's, it's, it's
not an easy thing though, right?
It's tough.
Yeah.
The demands of the military, it is huge.
Monumental.
And, and yeah, divorce
is extremely common.
Yeah.
And people are serving, uh, yeah, normal.
Whatever you're on, like your second
or third wife because it, it is
so hard, but you, it still happily
married many, many years later.
How, what, what's your takeaway
from, from keeping a happy marriage?
Speaker: I think, first
of all, I'm married.
I'm married to someone who I love.
You know, Lou was like a mate
of mine before we got together.
So I think that helps massively.
And you do grow apart.
You change, you know, and, and there's
things, we've had so many arguments, so
many, uh, you know, so much disruption.
She persevered, we're both from
Manchester, so, or Greater Manchester.
She said, look, just seeing you
on a Saturday and going over on
a Sundays, it's not gonna work.
We need to sort this out.
You either leave or we
look at like, moving.
So I said, well, why
don't you come down south?
Like, you know, come down,
look at the Southwest.
So she came down and her, her
actual words to me when we moved
down there into the married quarter
was, I'll give this two weeks.
So I was like, oh, here we go.
Do you know what I mean?
I've already, I've already
like, got the pressure applied.
Um, but then fortunately one of
the first people that she met was
from the, the same town as her,
uh, another lady called Kirsty.
And, and them, she just
became really good mates.
And I think that's, that helps is,
is your friends your friendship?
Pick the right friendship circle,
you know, don't, don't pick the lad
set and go to the pub every night.
And, and, you know, going like, I've
been offered so many trips, like at,
uh, exercise operations, loads of stuff.
I think what you've gotta
remember and, and, and I think,
you know, call me what you want.
I've been in now 24 years,
I've done every unit.
I've done ship draughts,
overseas draughts.
I've done operational tours.
I've done five jungle canopies.
I've done a jws, I've,
I've done everything.
A lot of people haven't.
And all that's, once I've been
married with kids, every decision I've
made has gone through her as well.
And there will be times where she'll
go, well, I'm not happy with that.
And I'll, and it'll be in the
back of my mind, but I'll be
like, right, I've got that.
But they're paying our wage.
They're paying for us
to live this lifestyle.
Yeah.
The Marines are, you know, I've
never gone in, I've never been one of
those blokes who knocks on the South
Majors door and says, I'm going there
because my wife isn't happy with this.
Or, I'm going there because it'll look
good on my CV and I wanna get promoted.
Yeah.
I've knocked on that door and I've said,
gimme three options every single time.
And, and, and it's probably had,
it's probably affected my career.
'cause I'm obviously still a sergeant.
I've probably affected my career, my
family's probably affected my career,
but I believe in the call with my family.
So yeah.
I'm not a W one or an officer
commissioned, but I'm a happy sergeant
who will leave happy and with my
family and everyone who I love and
my mates, and I've not a hope, I
don't think I've pissed anyone off.
That means something to me.
I've probably pissed a
lot of people off, but
Speaker 2: I think it's a
brilliant way of doing it.
And you think you're leaving with your
family that are gonna be the first thing
off, and you, you, you're potentially
not even halfway through your life.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, at 41 you've possibly
got like another maybe 60 years left to go
and you had a full crew in the military.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, I, I'd do it.
Fuck.
Speaker: Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like that, that nodding it.
Who knows what he's doing
and the one who does that.
Like, what, what's better?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
I'd love to know my end date.
Yeah, I'd love to know it
and work back from that.
Yeah.
I, I, yeah.
If I had one wish, that would be it.
Speaker: That was, that was one lesson
I got learned when, when I was at Pool,
I was working with a W one at Pool.
I won't mention his name 'cause of obvious
reasons, but he, one thing he said to
me, and again, he was so inspirational,
uh, was, if you knew what day you'd
die, how would you change your life?
And, and we worked in a department where,
quite a good job actually, at Pool,
we were working with lads that were
broken physically, mentally, medically.
But they, they didn't wanna admit it
because they, they didn't wanna get
taken out the squadrons because they knew
they'd just get replaced immediately.
But if he stayed in there, there, there
were just a problem to the squadron.
So the, one of the first questions
he'd ask him, and this bloke had
been, he'd done everything, he was on
pretty much every picture in the mess.
You know, every, not one person
walked around, camper went,
oh yeah, he's a bit a dick.
Everyone had so much respect for him.
And, and he said one of the first
questions was, if you, you know,
if you knew what day you'd die,
how would you change your life?
And it's such a deep question
that, because why are we
not, we're all gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: We're all going.
So why are we not doing that anyway?
Why are we not being happy and
speaking to someone yesterday, oh,
I've not been promoted again, I've
not done this, I've not done that.
What we doing here?
Why am I here?
I'm just like, you've put yourself here.
I put myself exactly where I am today.
Yeah.
And I'll answer any question, you
know, to, to, as to why I'm there.
And I think that's,
you've got all you've got.
You've gotta own that, you know, just
be you and, and deal with a situation.
And I think a lot of
people struggle with that.
Speaker 2: Before we draw to an end
there, Tom, can we get a bit of advice?
Let's go with your younger you.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fat ginger kid at school.
What are you telling to him?
Speaker: Strap in.
It's gonna get fucking rocky.
But we're going, I don't, I don't think,
I don't wanna know the future.
I don't want to know the fu I don't,
I don't like Mystic Meg was sat over
there now I'd be going that way.
I don't care.
I'll, I'll, you know, I'll write my path.
I'll write my chapters.
Speaker 2: Not the end point.
Is it That matters, the
Speaker: journey that
Speaker 2: No,
Speaker: that's how you get there.
And it's, and that's the same with
the, you know, everybody wants that
magic pill or that magic programme to
get them through commando training.
Just suck it up, strap in and just
embrace a journey and enjoy it.
'cause I hated commando training
when I was going through it.
But now when I think, look back at
it, I laugh and I speak to lads in my
tr we've got a little WhatsApp group
and we talk about things that we'd
done, where we'd been and everything.
And we're like, we laugh about it.
Do you remember that time
when we got thrashed for that?
Yeah.
And it just brings us smile to your face.
Yeah.
'cause you, you got through it.
It's adversity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, and, and
getting through it with a group
of friends just creates that bond.
It's pointless just getting to the
end without, without a journey.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: A piece of advice
for um, someone getting ready.
I might join the Royal Marines
at, I dunno if it's for me.
I might, what if I fail?
People don't wanna look at me.
What's the piece of advice for them?
Speaker: What if you win?
Like yeah, you might fail, you
might come top of the course.
Stop, stop listening to other people.
Be you.
You have to be you.
You have to go off instinct.
You have to listen to people who influence
you and people who mean something to you.
Not people who you've never met before.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker: Go over it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for
Speaker: boys,
Speaker 2: the journey coming down
here for your time and for being
a good friend to us and the brand.
And thank you for your service.
Speaker: Thank you.
Cheers mate.
Thank you.
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