Veronica Welch: Hello everybody, welcome to Stop Telling Me to Relax. I wanted to, I'm doing this in the car. This is not like formal at all, so I hope that it records well. not sitting at my desk with a microphone or like my camera or anything. but I wanted to of do an update on my thoughts on the Lindsay Clancy case. I mention I talked about that case in my last episode. And having had the trial start and it's been going for a couple of weeks now, my opinion on it has completely changed, completely changed. and so I wanted to talk about the case and the trial and and how how I feel about everything. I just felt like This was kind of a a good space for me to get all that off my chest. so my stance on everything, I wouldn't say has completely changed, but definitely some things have changed. Watching the trial and watching all the evidence come out and the experts talk and the first responders and the psychiatrist who treated her and prescribed her medication. I feel now like There is no, absolutely no way, in my opinion, that they can convict her of first degree premeditated murder of her children. Absolutely none. I think that this case is an absolute travesty. The fact that the state of Massachusetts or Commonwealth or whatever they call it there chose to prosecute this case. And send not only there's my neighbor. Not only you know, Lindsay through all to through all of this trauma of seeing the autopsy photos, seeing body cam footage, hearing the nine one one call, and then having her ex husband Patrick go up on the stand and and relive the all of it, you know, their whole relationship and the the pregnancies and and her postpartum experience and having him identify the children in pictures and having him sit and listen to that nine one one call where he finds his children dead and he's screaming. I mean, it's so horrific. And to me, it reeks of I hate to use these words. I feel like these are such like buzzwords, but it reeks of misogyny and it reeks of the fact that women in this country are not supported, women's health care is completely overlooked. Because there is no way that this Lindsay Clancy, if you watch the trial and you see you know, experts psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists testify, you see that she was reaching out and screaming for help. it seems like a part of the prosecution's argument is that while she wasn't maybe necessarily being super a hundred percent truthful with the doctors during evaluations, during sessions, She wasn't taking her medication on a regular basis as prescribed. she wasn't telling people, you know, that she was hearing voices and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, she was going to therapy and being treated for severe anxiety, depression. the therapist, one of the psychiatrists thought that she maybe had bipolar disorder. but hadn't quite diagnosed her yet. I mean, there's so much evidence. There's so much evidence that she was doing the right thing, that her family was doing the right thing, that her husband was doing the right thing, reaching out for help and supporting her. And time after time, each doctor's office that she went to, each psychiatrist's office that she went to, each psychiatrist and and postpartum facility that she saw they completely failed her. She was a great mom and she loved her children. And I think for me the tipping point with all of this, with this case, was when I say this, when the prosecution pulled out her Facebook posts from different mom, toddler mom, moms of littles groups on Facebook mom, just mom groups in general on Facebook, and tried to use those against her. Because they said things along the lines of like, I'm so overwhelmed, my two year old, you know, it's a s constant struggle all day every day to get him in the car seat, to get him to eat, to get him to go to bed. He's very ambunctious. I feel overwhelmed. I feel exhausted, blah blah blah blah blah. And they're trying to use those posts in her journal entries where she states the same thing as evidence towards why she hated her kids and wanted them dead. And to me, that is crazy because show me a mom. Show me a mother. I don't care where you live, how much money you have, how many kids you have, married, single, divorced, widow, whatever. Show me a mom that is not frustrated with their children a lot. Motherhood, parenthood, parenting is extremely stressful and it's extremely overwhelming. I mean, you're trying to navigate a world. Like the world we live in now, where we have a million things on our plate and we're constantly being fed information and we have to work and we have to keep our house together and we have to exercise because heaven forbid you gain weight and you have to spend time with your friends and be social and you know, then if you're married you have to spend time with your husband and try to build and cultivate and sustain that relationship. I mean, there's so much on everybody's plate. That when you add in the responsibility of parenting and then different personality traits and quirks and habits of each of your children, you are fucking stressed out. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with going in a Facebook group or going on a podcast or posting anything about being stressed out and overwhelmed. That does not mean you want to kill your children. I'm just appalled. at this case and at the prosecution and that they can see how how in her journal entries, Facebook posts, and and in v how many doctors and psychiatrists she was seeing and the amount of medication that she was prescribed, that they can then go ahead and charge her with first degree murder. It is insanity and it is a huge slap in the face to every single woman, not even even if you don't have children. The fact that this woman's postpartum and her health care and her mental health care was completely overlooked and disregarded and her concerns weren't taken seriously and she was just shoved medication and expected to take it, not knowing any of her h physical health background, not knowing, not doing their due diligence and calling previous doctors and looking at medical records. The fact that they can try her for this is insane. It is a huge slap in the face, like I said, to every woman. and it's a huge indicator of how much our government and our judicial system cares about women and children. And it enrages me. I get up every morning and I watch the trial and I am just shocked. that they're trying her. she's sitting in court sobbing, looking at pictures of her children on on the the autopsy table, hearing 911 calls, just sobbing, sobbing, sobbing. This is not a woman who wanted to kill her children. You see, like I watch a lot of true crime, you know, so I see cases like a good case would be like the Lori Vallow case. She killed her children. She never once cried about Anything related to murdering the to the death of her children, not one tear was shed. If she did cry, it was for her because she was upset because she was misunderstood and upset that she was gonna have to be sitting the rest of her life in prison. But she she killed her kids and there was absolutely no remorse, and and in her head it was justified, and she's a lunatic. But you don't see that here. You see a woman who is now probably on a it's been three years, so she's on a she's residing at a mental health facility. I think it was called Two Tubury or Tuxbury Mental Health Facility in Massachusetts. she's you know, she's being treated for her mental health issues. I'm sure she's on medications. I'm sure she's now in a clear state of mind, maybe not the clearest, but like in a clear state of mind and completely understands the severity of what she's done and she has to sit in this courtroom every day and look at all of this stuff. And all of her family and all of Patrick's family has to sit in that courtroom and look at this stuff. And it is horrific. I think this is emotional and mental torture. What they are doing to this woman and her ex husband and their families. It is ridiculous. It's so disheartening and you know I've always contemplated at some point maybe having another child because I mean I'm getting older, the clock is ticking, but like if it happens, I wouldn't be upset. But seeing how many cases and and this is an extreme case, this Lindsay Clancy case, obviously it's very, very extreme. But even hearing about friends that I know, their postpartum experience, you know, how they're treated by men have they how they've been treated for having like a slight postpartum depression and and not being treated properly, and just want to hear about even you know the experience of giving birth in hospitals and not being taken seriously by nurses and doctors and medical providers, I'm like, do I really want to, would I really want to put myself through that? Because I my mental health is already kind of fragile. And so taking it there to have a pregnancy and then be postpartum and have all of that affect my hormones and my mental health. If this is how I'm going to be treated and I'm going to have to navigate a very tricky medical land medical healthcare landscape. Postpartum when I'm already kind of hanging on a thread right now not being pregnant or postpartum, I don't know if I would if I want to. I do not want to go through all of it all of that and deal with that and not have the support if I need it and have the judgment and have people disregard my feelings and what I'm going through. I just don't I don't know if I would if I would have another baby if and deal with that. I really like I really don't. I really don't. I'm just I'm astonished at the state of Massachusetts and ha what they are doing to this woman. And I think, you know, I know people who support the idea that she murdered her kids willingly. I think that they think in prosecuting her there's some sort of like justice for the kids. But I think the total opposite. The exact total opposite in prosecuting her. She was a good mom who loved her children, who wanted to be the best perfect mom that she could be, and she felt like she was failing. Like all of us feel like we're failing. So much on our plates, not enough time, not enough resources. And she felt like she was she was struggling and she was failing. Regardless of whether or not she had a bipolar diagnosis or OCD or was controlling, quote unquote. She felt like she wasn't doing a good job. But I can guarantee you, I can guarantee you that each of her children, even down to that eight-month-old, loved their mom so much and thought she was the best, perfect, prettiest, nicest, kindest mom in the world. And so n and knowing that those kids prop n thought that about their mom, knowing that now this that the state of Massachusetts and the government is prosecuting her for being sick, being extremely severely mentally ill. Knowing that they're doing this to their mom is a huge slap in the face to those children, to the family that was created through Patrick and Lindsay, and it's just a huge slap in the face to and honoring them. There's no justice in it. There's no justice in it. I'm appalled. And I'm and and and I and not only that, it's clear when you watch the trial that there is no substantial evidence to support that she did this crime did she that she killed her children. I don't want to call it a crime because I I don't feel like it's a crime. I feel like it's a a mental health travesty or tragedy. But there's no there's no evidence, no substantial evidence to support the fact that she did this willingly. at her own volition, premeditated. None. To me, there's none. I mean, she wrote in journals that she was stressed out, overwhelmed, worried, wanted to have all of her ducks in a row, wanted the nanny to know everything and and be prepared and and and all of that. That doesn't mean she wanted to kill her mom her children. She was reaching out for help to various medical providers, visiting ERs, ER offices, seeing psych seeing psychiatrists, going to therapy, maybe not be not being a hundred percent truthful about some of the symptoms she was experiencing. Because look at how women are treated in in our healthcare system. Like, look at like I mean, wish she could have been worried about CPS entering the picture. And she's a a nurse herself, so she can't have open CPS case. being a nurse, she's not gonna she wouldn't have been able to ever go back. to go back to work anytime soon if she were to mentally get clarity if she had some sort of open CPS case or any concerns about child abuse. So sh I mean, there's so women feel so much stigma and shame around what's going on for their with their mental health and so worried about being labeled a bad mom or a bad person or not looking like that you have it all together that s we're not honest about how we're feeling and exactly where we're at. Mentally and emotionally, and you cannot hold that against her because look at what happened. She was completely overlooked and over-prescribed. They just threw medications at her. And she ends up unfortunately killing her children and get charged with first-degree murder. There's zero support. there's zero like infrastructure, stable infrastructure built for moms to. completely show up for themselves and be honest and be raw and let it all out there without any consequences. So why would she be honest? People are going to judge her. You can't tell me that she and yeah there's HIPAA and there's privacy laws, but you can't tell me that in the break room or whatever, doctors and nurses don't sit around and talk about patients and clients. And maybe talk a little shit or or maybe just discuss cases and think like, my God, like what I you know, whatever, like You're women are gonna be, you know, damned if you do, damned if you don't. And I just I I personally don't think that not being a hundred percent truthful with responding to questions is evidence or not being a hundred percent truthful when being evaluated by mental health professionals means that she was wanting to kill her children. I mean she still ha even if she wasn't reporting that she's hearing voices, that she's you know, even if she wasn't reporting signs of psychosis, she was still having severe postpartum that indicated that she was in trouble. And then when you add on top of that the fact that the negligence by medical providers not being thorough in their evaluations, not doing the proper tests to test for post postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, not reading medical records and talking to previous doctors and searching for medical records to ensure That any medication that they were prescribing was ha was good for her physically, for her actual physical health, not talking to her husband, not reaching out to her parents and her family. I mean, there's so much over negligence and things that were sl like slighted sighted or whatever, like things that were overlooked. I guess in this case, it's crazy that the prosecution can use. those things and say that that is her intentionally wanting to hurt kill her children. Crazy. Crazy. I feel like in society, particularly American society, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. So sh and I'm gonna and this is how I'm gonna explain this. She reached out to various medical providers, went to the ER for anxious racing racing intrusive thoughts and the anxious heart rate and all of the severe anxiety symptoms. Saw a psychiatrist, she did 14 appointments. With the first psychiatrist that she saw, all virtual, but 14 appointments, was prescribed medication and took it, maybe not consistently, but she tried it. She probably should have like you know, it takes a a long time for medication to to work. You know, there's a what's it called? god, there's a phrase for it. I don't want to say grace period. There's a word for like that. that time to start taking medication till it till it starts working. I can't think of it right now. but she was trying. She was going to therapy, seeing a psychiatrist, asking for help, talking to her husband. Her family was coming over and helping her and the kids. She was trying to still be social and go out with her kids and spend time with her kids and go to the water park and go to the museum and all these things. She was trying to do her very best. And ya she still was felled by the health care system. and ended up falling into psychosis and murdering her children. But if she had done the opposite and not done anything and not said a word to anybody and not not took it upon herself to communicate how she was feeling to her spouse, to her family, not took it upon herself to seek out e c care in an emergency room she when she was having super anxious you know, thoughts and intrusive thoughts, not sought out and followed advice from psychiatrists to go to residential inpatient programs. If she had not taken all those steps that she had taken and then did this, she would be crucified. She would still be getting crucified in the public eye for not doing anything. They're never she there you you can't win. As a woman and a mother in this society, women ex just being a woman, period. But just in society, no matter what we do, we're not gonna win. You can do it all, you can do all the right things, you can reach out and ask for support and ask for help and fuck up and they're still gonna and they're gonna blame you. Or you can do the opposite and not do anything because you don't want to feel like a burden, because you don't want to feel ashamed, because you just don't want to you know, you just feel like it's too much to reach out and ask for help and support. And then something major happens, like you fall into psychosis and you kill your children, then it it's still gonna be your fault. You damned if you do, damned if you don't. And that would have been the case with l with Lindsay Clancy, no matter what she did. No matter what. And that's just how it is for women. Like I said, like No matter what we do, how we dress, how we act, how hard we work, we don't work hard, we work too hard, work hard we don't work hard enough, we're barely working, we're barely doing this, we're not exercising enough, we're exercising too much, we're wearing too much makeup, we're not wearing enough makeup, we're not not doing this, not do that. No matter what we do, it's not gonna be enough. It's not going to be enough. And so when something could like a catastrophe, a freaking tragedy like this happens. the mother is going to be blamed regardless. And it's very, very, very sad. And I like I said, I'm just appalled at this case. And I I'm disgusted with the prosecution in this case. You know, the pro the the two attorneys that work for that I don't know what county it is in Massachusetts, but the county in Massachusetts that are prosecuting this case are two females, two women. And I don't know anything about these two. Like obviously we don't know anything about their personal lives. I don't know if they're mothers themselves. I don't know if they I don't know anything about them. But there is no way Absolutely no way as a woman and as a mother. That I could walk into that courtroom, hold my head high, and prosecute this case against Lindsay Clancy and be proud of myself. I I I could never do that to another woman because as women, we all have similar experiences. As mothers, regardless of what our life looks like, we all have similar experiences. We've all struggled. with you know physical symptoms related to our reproductive system and periods and ovulating and menopause and perimenopause or whatever you know we all experience that and know what it's like and only us women know what that's like and if you choose to have children only like we all have this had the same experience we've All been pregnant and know what it's like and know what it's like to feel fat and ugly and tired and stressed and your ankles are big and you're bloated and waterweighed and all that's we all know what that's like. We all know what it's like to be in labor and be in that pain and then have that baby, you know, come into this world and that immense joy that you feel. Like we all know what that's like. And then we all know what it's like to get home with the baby and feel this tremendous amount of. pressure and overwhelm and anxiety and wanting to be absolutely perfect for this most beautiful baby. And and but then feeling, you know, your hormones are kicking in, maybe you're breastfeeding, maybe you've got other children to take care of as well. And just feeling overwhelmed and anxious and then just like at least for me, just wanting it to stop. What like not wanting to do it. Like you want to do it, but like you're so overwhelmed you just can't, you know? We all all all of us, regardless of our life circumstance, whatever our life looks like, we all know we all have this universal experience of womanhood and how society treats us because of that, the stigmas associated with that, and how we have to successfully navigate that so that we can do what we need to do. And so for this prosecution, for these two women to prosecute her is atrocious. It's disgusting. And I just I have no respect for them. One, because their arguments are nonsense, but two, like they don't come across as likable. That bow, if you watch the child, you know what I'm talking about with that bow that she wears every day. It's just a mess. It's a mess.

Veronica: Okay, so it's the next day. I was getting ready to edit and put out what I recorded yester recorded yesterday in the car. And then there were some more things that I wanted to add. just some things based some things that I forgot that were really important for me to say. And then after watching the proceedings today in the Clancy trial, again feeling absolutely astonished at the prosecution. I wanted to make sure that I get all my thoughts out about this. So today is let's see August 12th. And this had to have been I can't say, I mean, all the days have been like horrible if you're watching and you support Lindsay and you're an advocate for her and her illness and and mental health and whatnot. But today was absolutely just heart wrenching and makes me stand ten toes down on what I said and how I feel that the prosecution in the state of Massachusetts are treating Lindsay, Clancy, this case, this children, their these families, in a extremely inhumane manner. Today they showed They had the the medical examiner who I guess did the autopsies of the children on the stand and they showed pictures of the children during the autopsies and and f and footage of of the children dead and Lindsay is just sobbing crying, like heavy, deep, painful sobbing crying. Horrid. Hor it's just it's heart wrenching to watch. Heart wrenching. I mean it's just it feels I don't understand why they're doing this to her. I don't understand not not to her, but I don't understand why they're prosecuting this case. everything screams that this was not intentional, was not premeditated. She is clearly so distraught that she did this to her children. I just don't understand. I don't I don't understand why it's being prosecuted. There's not enough evidence to prosecute it under first degree murder charges. And I don't understand why sh why she even if they're going to prosecute it, why does she have to be in the courtroom during these extremely tough moments? I understand that this is her she's the one charged and there's probably some legal loop role thing that she has to be in the courtroom for these, you know during the entire trial. I'm sure that there is, but I think there's probably also I think that her c her lawyer could make an argument and maybe cite other cases or cite medical or cite legal law language. that she t to ask her to be excused from the courtroom during the during these tough moments where there's photos of the children and she's seeing photos of what she did to their bodies and or the effects of the strangulation that she did to the to their bodies. and she's hearing about the bruises and the and how body parts looked they're not treating her like a human being. And I I I just They're seeing her as a criminal, as a as a murderer, a criminal, and she killed her children, yes. So technically she is a murderer. But she does not deserve this kind of treatment. It is appalling. It's just it enrages me. Like sitting there today and in seeing her ball like that, you can just see her shoulders go up and down and then like hear this just sobbing. If the camera won't even be on her and you can just hear the sobbing. It's so bad they had to stop twice. Take her out of the courtroom, clear the courtroom, have have her gather herself again and come back and continue, continue with the testimony from the witness from the medical examiner. And it just doesn't it just feels like like I've said before, mental and emotional torture for everybody involved, everybody in the Clancy and Lindsay's families. It's not it's not right. It's just not. And it and I really hope, and I don't know, I I would I would highly doubt that this is possible. But I hope that if she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, that That she and her family and Patrick and everybody else can sue the state of Massachusetts, that particular county, for prosecuting her case and like sue under like civil litigation for like emotional duress, stress, mental abuse, something. I I highly doubt that's possible because they're a government agency, a state agency, and so they're probably protected from litigation like that. But if there's a Any way or loophole for them too? I really hope that they do a civil suit against them if if if she's found not guilty by reason of insanity because what they're doing to her and their families is abuse and torture, and it's ethically, it's morally and ethically and should legally not be okay. It's horrific to watch, heart-wrenching. And her defense team, her lawyer is a badass, wicked, that's like a Boston phrase. I I'm from California, I'm sorry. But wicked, badass, wicked cool, is that how you say it? I don't know. Wicked badass male attorney that my son came in. My son came in the room today as I was watching some of the court proceedings and he said, That guy looks like he would defend the mafia, somebody in the mafia in these court proceedings and that is what Kevin Reddington that's just his attitude, his demeanor. You can tell he's probably from like South Boston or like maybe like the rougher parts of Boston, whatever the rougher parts are, or the rougher parts of Massachusetts and he has that thick, you know, Boston accent ca you know, like like they say all their Rs all their Rs, how do I say this? All the R all the words that they say that end in R, the way that it they end is it ends up sounding with that Boston accent. It's like it it sounds like it's ending with the A. So ca ba like I can't even do it. I sound ridiculous. But like he has that thick accent and he is a fierce advocate for her. I mean, he is every cross examination he is Fighting tooth and nail for her, and he doesn't take any shit from anybody. And he is loud and he is he he is dramatic and he knows what the fuck he is doing. I read that he has had other very popular criminal cases in Massachusetts. He's prosecuted them and been successful. And he is just a badass and I'm so glad that he has a lawy sh she has an attorney and she has representation like him. you when when the f case first started, like the first few days, I remember seeing him on seeing h seeing that he was her attorney and really kind of thinking she was in trouble because he's a male. Not only is he a male, but he's older. He's like in his early seventies, maybe mid seventies. He's he's older. And so I just didn't think that he would be able to prosecute a case about a topic and an issue and a problem so relevant for women so modern because, you know, back in the day they didn't there was no knowledge, no education, no information, no data, no treatment, no nothing on postpartum, depression, psychosis, the baby blues. And he's just a kind of a guy that's kind of rough around the edges. So I was really, really worried that like he wasn't gonna be able to defend her properly and understand what she went through and understand the process of of having a baby and postpartum and be able to like sympathize and empathize. But he he is stellar. He's phenomenal. He when she's sobbing, he sits there and he holds her hand and he's just you know, he's just there to support her. rub you know, hugging her, rubbing her back really being there for her, not only not only like in the courtroom just being emotional support. He's phenomenal. I I feel like I cannot wait until it's his turn to put on their defense and call witnesses and you know plead his case and put his arguments out there. Like I cannot wait. I think he's gonna be amazing. And I don't think that the prosecution is going to be able to cross examine witnesses that he's called to testify and done such a great job ex you know, examining them or when they're you know, testify like talk asking questions to those witnesses. I don't think that the prosecution, 'cause I don't think that they're very strong or very smart or have any argument, I think that it that like they're not gonna be able to cross examine and get their points across and I think it's just gonna be glorious glorious. I cannot wait. Last thing I want to say about this case and everything and everything that's gone on is I want to talk about her husband Patrick. So Patrick Clancy was her husband. They had been married, I think it said since 2017, and then started having kids a couple years later, got married, started having kids. There has been a lot of chatter online about him, about his culpability in all of this, about whether or not he had something to do with the murders. Like he did it and he's framing her. there's been a lot of chatter about his new relationship and marriage that he's in and just about the relationship and when it started and if it was going on when he was still married and that's why he he was already emotionally checked out of the marriage so and he was already having an affair with his current wife and so that's why he didn't care to really tend to Lindsay's needs, postpartum needs. And I think all of that is bullshit. I think that people are taking this case and making up conspiracy theories or coming up with conspiracy theories and gossiping about and gossiping about it and it stands it doesn't stand on any facts. Like it's like you know, as much as I love like this the true crime genre and I love thinking about why this happened, who did it, you know, it's all fascinating to me. But this case is very different because it involved three very young children losing their lives and a mom who was suffering deeply and was overlooked and neglected by a system that doesn't care about her. So it's a little bit like not true crimey, it's just more like heart wrenching and you just wanna be supportive of all the victims in this case and to me Patrick Clancy is a victim. I'll be honest with you. about how I feel about his marriage and the new wife. the fact that three months after the murders he moved to New York City, I mean I think that that may have been what was best for him in the moment to move and to I mean I don't I I can't imagine him staying in that same town that they lived in driving around and seeing all the places that he used to take his kids and be with his wife and and now they're all gone. Like I I don't think I don't think he's wrong in moving. he's still alive so and he's not incarcerated or in a mental health hospital. So he has to do what's best for him and his mental health and move on. But you know, with him moving to New York City and I remember I think I if I'm remembering correctly, in the trial, him saying how for work he used to frequent New York City often for different meetings a and travel and stuff, or he would go to New York City. And then that's where he moves, and that's where he's then with the new girlfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't already in the picture in his life in some capacity. Like I I just wouldn't be surprised at that. I'm not saying that they were having an affair. Maybe they were. there's no evidence of that, so I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me because People cheat all the time and we know people can cheat, relationships, there can be affairs, you know, it seems to me like having a wife who's going through all of those issues and then having three children, and then, you know, ha just having a lot on your plate like that I don't want to say it's understandable, but it's like if he strayed and was having an affair with somebody, like that's of course not the right thing to do, but in this circumstance with with a wife going through what she was going through and all that was on his plate He might have he might have made the wrong choice and hadn't had an affair to try to escape all of what was going on at home. I'm not saying he was. He could have. Regardless, like I said, I think that she was already in the picture in some capacity. He knew her already. And I think that's probably a big reason why he chose to move to New York City. Just my opinion. Sh she was probably already in the picture. But I don't think that him moving at all, dating again, getting married, and apparently his wife is pregnant with a baby. I don't think that he's wrong for that. he has to take care of himself As horrible as that sounds, considering that his three children are dead and his then wife committed the murders and is currently on trial for murder and possibly going to be incarcerated for the rest of her life, like it seems harsh. It seems like, this guy, you know, just gets to go on with his life while everybody else's lives are totally ruined. Or whatever, but He is a victim here. He is suffering so bad. He will suffer with the guilt of leaving her with those children that night for the rest of his life. I don't care who he remarries, how many more children he has, what happens in his life. This what happened to him is the heaviest thing that can ever happen to a human being. at least to a parent. Like to lose all of your three children like that. Your wife's the one that did it. It was postpartum psychosis. She was screaming and begging. And reaching out for help and nothing was done to help her. Signs and symptoms were overlooked. She wasn't taken seriously. I mean, it's a nightmare. It's a it's a nightmare. I couldn't even imagine. And so I think that You know, people need to drop the conspiracy theories. People need to get in touch with reality. When I'm like reading comment sections on like live streams and different videos, you know, people like I said, people have all these conspiracy theories about like about the day of the of the murders and like when he saw Lindsay in the driveway, why didn't he ask right away where the kids were and go inside the house and try to find the kids right away and just leave her on the lawn, or, you know, if if you know, people are saying like if you look at the video cam footage of him 'cause he went to like a C V S first and then he went to go pick up the takeout. Like if you look at at the video he changed his he's in a different pair of shoes and in each video it in each video cam, footage of him walking into the restaurant and walking to CVS, which he's not. I just there's just so much chatter about him. I just feel like people need to leave him alone. Could he I I like from excuse me, from the testimony that I he I've heard from him, I I've not heard anything that puts him at fault for this. And I've not heard anything that makes it seem like he completely neglected her and her needs. I just have it. I think it was yesterday where her attorney, Reddington, was talking to the nurse practitioner from one of the postpartum facilities that she briefly stayed at. and he pointed out that Patrick attended both virtually and in person, four of her appointments with her and spoke with the nurse practitioner and the psychiatrist or I don't know if she he spoke with the psychiatrist, but the nurse practitioner and you know a s he was involved as much as he could with helping her get treatment. And what I really, really hate about this is the all like I said, the online chatter, the rumors, the conspiracy theories, but also you see so many people comment and say, you know, my husb he should be ashamed of himself. My husband would never leave me like that. My husband would never neglect my postpartum mental health means, you know, like, you know, it's just all the selfrighteous Sally's on the internet acting like their husbands are perfect. And we know for sure That they're not. Your husband won't even make lunches for the kids. Your husband refuses to call and schedule doctors' appointments. Your husband goes out every Friday night and gets drunk and doesn't come home till four o'clock in the morning. Please spare me your how your husband is so great and Patrick Clancy failed his wife. Because I can guarantee that most men, if they were in a situation as extreme as the one that Lindsay and Patrick were in with her postpartum issues, a lot of men would act the exact same way. men are not I think in innately they're not built to be super like emotional and you know feely like that, and they're also not built they they're not going to understand pregnancy, anything related to woman's health care, postpartum, periods, menstrual cycles, they're not gonna understand one because they don't experience it, but two Because in society, I hope it's shifting a little bit, but in society, growing up or as they become young men and start to have relationships, they're not taught anything about women's health care, women's reproductive system. They're taught how to prevent getting somebody pregnant, like wear a condom or whatever, but they're not taught How all of that really works. They're not taught about postpartum. They're not, it's not encouraged, for them to learn about what happens to a woman and her body when she's pregnant, when she's postpartum, and how to support that. They're just not. because women's health and women's postpartum care and and you know mental health related to a postpartum is not important in this country. It's completely overlooked by our government and underfunded and on and I can go on and on about that. But like some so young men are not taught anything About that, or taught to take it seriously. They're taught that, yeah, maybe your wife will cry and be a little bit emotional, but like she'll get over it. Make sure you're helping her change diapers and make sure you're, waking up taking turns waking up at night. she be a little bit sad, but she'll get over it. Ask her how she's doing and move on with your day. That's how young men are Trained and expected to act around these issues with their partners. So nobody's spouse, nobody's man is going to completely be the most perfect spouse in the world in this kind of situation. And all the judgment that Patrick Clancy is getting. Is unfair and unjust, and nobody knows how they would act in this situation until they're in it. I suffered deeply with postpartum. I feel like the result of the postpartum that I had resulted in dystymia, which is like a long-term depression that's like off and on for years. And I currently take medications to treat anxiety and depression. And some of the medications that I hear about that are talked about in the in the Lindsay Clancy case that were prescribed to her, I take currently take as well. thankfully it never went into psychosis. It never progressed in advance to psychosis. and I just don't think that there should be any judgment about it all. And I just wish that people were more educated on. pregnancy, childbirth, postpartum. And I just think that people out there need to have more compassion, more empathy, but also like more common sense. Like in what world do you think that this woman looking at the facts, the facts, not the gossip, not the conspiracy theories, the facts, what world do you think that she wanted this to happen? I just feel like a lot of people don't know about postpartum care and treatment and psychosis and mental health issues just in general and they're making judgments. You cannot have suicidal thoughts for a while and then one day you wake up and you know you start hearing voices and you want to kill your children. Anybody that has worked in mental health, has done clinical social work, has worked with clients in mental health I have my masters is in marriage child with family therapy. So I have like the knowledge and the clinical experience to understand all of this. But anybody that has worked in this field, you know that symptoms come and they go. One day somebody's feeling good, the next day they're not. and once it it's elevated to something as serious as psychosis or maybe like bipolar borderline, There's you're going to see some impulsivity in behavior of somebody who's experiencing those issues. So yeah, she may not have for prior weeks felt suicidal or on and off felt suicidal. She may not, it may not have ever crossed her mind to to hurt her children. And then one day she's at home. And she has those thoughts and the kids are strangled and dead. like I feel like I I don't know the exact statistics. I don't want to throw out numbers. But I can imagine that it's pretty, pretty high. People who choose to commit suicide, it's most often a very impulsive decision. They wake up one day, they feel like shit, in thirty minutes they're dead. They take the gun and they shoot themselves. They take the sheet and they hang them through. I just think I just wish there was more education on the topic and like I said, more empathy, more compassion, and less sensationalism. So that is it. I don't think I'll do another episode on this topic. Maybe I will, but I just I I wanted to make sure that I came on and kind of backtracked my statements that I made the first time that I talked about this case in the episode titled Maternal Malice because having watched a trial, now, there's absolutely no way that she is she killed her children intentionally and it was premeditated and it's first degree murder. There's just no way. My mind has totally shifted. And I wanted to make sure that I got that out there. And I wanted to make sure that I got out the fact that I support Lindsay Clancy and I support the defense in this trial. And I support her as a woman, as a mom, and as a woman who has suffered great deep tragedy and has been and was overlooked and disregarded. and silenced by a healthcare system in the United States that does not Make women's health care, pregnancy, postpartum a priority.