Veronica: Hey everybody, welcome back. Welcome back to Stop Telling Me to Relax. My name is Veronica. I am the host I hope that everybody is well. Right now it is the middle of summer. It is July twenty-third. sorry, not twenty third. Where did I get that from? July twenty fifth. Summer twenty twenty six. It has been a long, arduous Hot summer for me. but I'm hanging in there and I'm really excited to share my thoughts for this episode today, I'm going to be talking about a topic that I feel like I know a lot about, So like I've said I've said it before in other episodes, I am a true crime junkie. I think a lot of women are I and I don't quite understand the psychology behind why so many women like true crime. I always make the joke that, you know, I I always see episodes about like, the single mom comes home from her you know, second waitressing job and goes in the garage and gets slashed in the throat and like the and it's like makes me kind of double check to make sure my doors are locked and my you know, ring cameras on. you know, I was I always feel like I watch true crime stories that are very, very relevant or adjacent to like my life and it's and it scares me. So it's like why do I like watching this? But I just do there's something very intriguing and addictive about it. So, today I want to talk about true crime cases that have been in the news lately. all mothers. I think I don't actually I don't think that anyone any of these except for one that I'm gonna briefly touch on are single parents, but I think a lot of the reason why some of the heightened emotions behind their the crimes that these women committed were related to motherhood and single motherhood possibly being something that might be a part of their lives at some point. so I think that they're all very they're that they're that they're relevant. I am considering starting a podcast on crimes committed by mothers, whether it's murder or financial crimes or kidnapping I already have a name for it so it's it's an option. I don't know if I have time to do it. I don't know I don't even know if I really want to. it's fun to record And have a podcast, but it's also very stressful and a lot of work. so we'll see. I'm gonna record this one, we'll see how it goes. Maybe I'll get some feedback from people who've listened to it to let me know how it goes. I just know true crime is such a huge it's become like a huge pop culture like topic. and I l I listen to true true crime podcasts and a lot of them like they go into so much detail. about the crime obvious I mean and and it they should go into a lot of detail and get get get the details right about the cases and they go through hundreds of pages of court documents and and they just really d are a lot of true crime podcasters are very, very thorough. and I just don't know if have time time for that. I just like to watch the YouTube stories and the datelines and the 48 hours and move on with my night. So we'll see. Well let's get started. The first case that I want to touch on is a case out of Camus, Utah. It's very, very recent. it's the case of Cory Richards. So Cory Richards was a 36 year old mom in Utah. She's a mother of three boys. She worked as a real estate agent, She had a realty company called Kay Richards Realty L L C. in March of twenty twenty two, March fourth of twenty twenty two, she killed her husband Eric Richens, by putting fentanyl in a drink, a Moscow Muriel drink that she made for him that night. She told police that the couple had been celebrating the closing of a real estate sale that she closed that day and so she made him a cocktail called a a Moscow Mule before they went to bed. And prosecutors believed that she put the fentanyl in the Moscow Mule, and he obviously overdosed and passed away. some things about this couple or Cory Richards, like I said, she's a real estate agent. the the sale, the real estate sale that she closed on, was a big huge McMansion, huge, huge home. in Midway, Utah. it was eight point seven five acres Had a 3,000 square foot guest house, eight bedrooms, eleven point five bathrooms, and she was hell-bent on buying that property, flipping it, and selling it for a profit, which is what she did with a lot of her real estate transactions. She would sell them, she would buy them, flip them, and sell them. And that is relevant to this case as well. But I'll I'll get to that in a second. Her fli house flipping business. And, you know, this case for me really triggered some emotions in me as a single parent because she on paper it really did look like Cory Richards had it all. So They had they had three boys. They had a child prior to getting married and then they had two more after. and her husband was really successful. He was half owner of a very, very extremely multimillion dollar construction. I'm I'm not quite sure what you would call it, but a masonry. So that he owned C and E Stone Masonry, which was a very successful business in the Utah area. and he was worth a lot of money. And I say he was worth a lot of money because yes they were married, but in the the terms of their prenup, and in terms of what sh money she had control over if they were ha to ha for if he were to die, it was really all the money was his money, not theirs or not hers at all. and that's kind of the gist of Cory Richards. I I think that this this case for g really got like major headlines because She wrote a book, a children's book about grief, titled Are You With Me? So she murdered her husband sent her children into grief and then wrote a children's book to help them cope about grief. So I can remember when I first heard about this case, like that was the big headline was like, my god, she wrote this children's book. it's about grief. And she is now be a at the time, when I first heard about it, was, you know, alleged to have been the one that killed her husband. and I just think It's very bold to kill your husband and then send your children into this immense amount of grief that they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives and then write a children's book full of illustrations of her children and her husband to help them cope. To help the kids cope. Like it's just peak narciss I don't want to say narcissism, but like it's just awful. I don't know. She's a she's an awful person. he was murdered by fentanyl poisoning. and it turned out when they did the autopsy that he had five times the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. Five times. I mean just a little bit of of fentanyl w c somebody coming in contact with it or ingesting it, snorting it, smoking it, whatever, however you smoke that drug, I don't know, will kill you. Just a little bit. And she put in that drink, she crushed into that drink five times the lethal amount of fentanyl to kill him. I'm kind of going over some very like brief, very brief kind of notes about this. If you want to know more, go on YouTube or you know, there are a ton of podcasts that you can listen to to really, really get into the details about this case. but pretty much just a very selfish, self absorbed woman, mother who lacks the abil to lack that lacks any humilit humility, the ability to be self aware, killing her husband for money. It turned out, once prosecutors did like a a financial forensic examination, that she was just about twelve million dollars in debt from her business and she owed the lenders money. she was upside down on loans and and properties and things like that. And so throughout the duration of the investigation, the prosecutors and law enforcement put together that she killed her husband to inherit inherit his life insurance because as his wife she would get life insurance to inherit the home. The home was in his name, but as his wife she most likely would have inherited it and then to also gain what she thought would be a financial stake or a payout in his business. I'm not really quite sure why she thought she would get money from the business because like I said in the prenup it was clearly laid out that she wouldn't get any money if he died and she thought that he he would have he if he if he passed away she would get millions and millions of dollars. And one, I don't think that the prenupers were in that way, but two, her husband Eric knew who she was and knew He knew she had something up her sleeve. There had been a previous a what prosecutors thought was a previous attempt to poison him by putting drugs into a sandwich. and he f really felt in danger around her and in that marriage. And so what he ended up doing was putting all of his at the assets that were in his name, the home, any money that he had that h Corey could have got a hold of He put in like a trust and put his sister's name in charge of the trust. And so when she murdered him, she really didn't have access to really very much money at all. And kinda sort of making it in her mind, I would assume, not worth murdering him. I mean it's just I don't know, it's just a mess. it's just th th this whole case is just unbelievably sad and I have absolutely zero respect for anybody that can willfully and just go out there and murder anyone, but let alone your husband and then let alone the father of your children, leaving your children without a father. It's just unbelievable. and then when you look at all the other things that she did, post murder to kind of sort of cover her tracks, writing that book, that horribly written children's book that she stated she wrote, but she actually used a ghostwriter. that was another ploy, kind of like a decoy to make herself look grief stricken and innocent. she went on TV and she wore one of the most awful looking outfits for a television appearance that I have ever seen. it's like this nasty leather probably pleather, I don't know, not real leather, like grayish brown jacket and then these like I I if if you don't know what I'm talking about, like Google it and watch it. W Google that appearance. It's on the show called The Good Day Utah. she just looks a mess. S she's crossing her arms, she's not engaged with the camera, her body language is off, like it's just the whole thing is just awful. but she tried to write that book and promote it and She really thought that she was doing something major with her house flipping business and and really thought that she could make something of herself, be being a real estate agent and buying and flipping and selling houses, but in reality she had absolutely no business acumen, not business savvy, no knowledge on how to successfully run a business, ran herself millions and millions and millions of dollars into debt. and turns out she was having an affair with this handyman that she hired to do s shit around the ha the houses to to do all of the kind of general contracting for the houses that she was flipping. she just she was just a messy ass woman. No morals, greedy and she had a and and and again I'm gonna say this not not related to the case but she had absolutely no style. None. Like, I mean I don't I guess I don't have very much room to talk because later I wear leggings or like some sort of short workout shorts every day with like a tank top. Like that's what I'm wearing today, but like She's just she's just not a good person. throughout the duration of the investigation and the case and the murder trial, she really told on herself. And that was what it that is what I feel like a lot of murderers and these like kind of narcissistic, self serving people do. they Google search. They message text messages, emails, and just running her mouth to people, is r is one of the big reasons that she got caught. You know, she she had some Crazy ridiculous Google searches like luxury prisons for the rich in Utah and if you poison somebody, what does it go down on d down as on the birth certificate? Like she just like She told on herself. She told on herself, which is what usually most dumbass people will do, people that get themselves in these kinds of situations. So she told on herself. she She was convicted, in April of first degree murder, attempted murder, and then some additional financial crimes. Like she had been stealing money from a best friend, and s a few some other financial crimes that she partake partook in. Partake, partook, partook in she she she stole money. She's leaving it at that. so she was convicted, sentenced in May of life In prison without the possibil possibility of parole, so she will never be released from prison. her three children, I think they're all like preteen teenagers at this point absolutely nothing to do with her. Apparently, they've been adopted by her sister in law. They all wrote, each of them wrote scathing. Scathing. I don't even know a better word. to say besides scathing, but like scathing letters to the judge during sentencing about why their mom should never get out of prison. And as a mom, listening to those, I've I it my heart was just broken in a million pieces because I don't those children have been through so much. In those letters they detailed post their father being murdered, what their life was like. Cory was always drunk all the time, all day, every day. She locked them in a basement so she could go hang out, quote unquote, with a neighbor. she didn't necessarily cook that much for them. there's a story about cold lasagna they had to throw in the trash. she was constantly badmouting their father, her dead husband's family, and she was using them, using her children as a bargaining chip with her father in law to get what she wanted as far as money from Eric's estate because her sis his sister was the trustee. so she's just she's just an awful person and why for me as a single parent this kind of at least triggers me a bit is because this is a woman who had quote unquote everything. Now I know that money and the house and the car and and all the things are not necessarily the ticket to happiness. Like I I'm aware of that. I don't I don't look at any woman who has it all, that has the husband and the house and all of those things. I don't look at anybody like that with and have and feel envious of them because I know one, there's a big sacrifice that comes with having that lifestyle. Everything looks shiny and pretty on Instagram and everything looks great. and I'm sure a lot of people have that life and have a great life. But I also I just don't envy it because it All of that comes at a cost. So, you know, for me I I stay on my side of the street and I'm and I water my own grass and all those quotes. So I don't see that see somebody that has that and and and and envious in in in a way, but I also think like I said, this case and this this murder trial touched on something for me because I am a single parent who doesn't have a partner, who doesn't have any financial support, who would feel a sense of relief if maybe if I had some of the things that she had. And like I said, I know no marriage is perfect, no man is definitely perfect. We know that. So not that her life was necessarily that great, but in terms of being a mother and what her children had, they had a father who was a father, who loved his role as a dad, who was a parent. was coaching the baseball teams and showing up to was was, you know, present for the children and had a strong bond with the children and was a dad. Like there's no r other way to really like I I I I I hate to like explain things with men and be like, they were showing up for the kids. They were doing but like they're I because I I don't think that like, you know, What w like with men, like what are we laying out? Like they were doing what they're supposed to do. Like they were a dad. Like that's it. Like, you know, sh a and and and not only was he a great father who was present and active in his children's lives, but he was also financially he was very successful and those children and she as his wife had every single th every single thing that they needed covered by him and how hard that he worked. And she was so ungrateful to him She had n she did not appreciate the father that he was, He was the provider, the financial means and access to everything that she had and that her children had because of him. I know as a single parent, like I would I pray day that I have a partner who wants to be there and wants to be an active parent and wants to I don't wanna say step it up, just is is doing what i is a dad, like doing what they need to do. I pray one day that I have that. I pray that one day that I have the financial stability of a two two person household and there's less stress on my shoulders about finances and bills and and not only like what I want like less stress on my shoulders financially, I would freaking love like a rich husband, like th you know learning in this case, like, they went on trips to Greece, they were always in Mexico, they were always buying new cars and they lived in a mega mansion and and she didn't have to work. She wanted to work, which was her prerogative. She doesn't have to stay home if she doesn't want to, but like or she doesn't have to stay home and not work and solely depend on him. But like she ha what she had, the security and the support that she had for her life and for her children and she tossed all of that out the window. she wanted t to live this life of I don't know Miss She wants to live the life of a c well, she didn't want to be married anymore, but I I just feel like she's just this really nasty, ungrateful person who had a you know, she had a ton of support from her not only her family but his family with sisters and uncles and aunts and cousins and she had a great life. And even if they were to divorce and not be in the marriage anymore, she still would have had him as a supportive co-parenting partner. She still would have been taken care of financially. His family w you know, his family and the extended family still would have been there to take care of make sure that she and the children are taken care of. And she has her own her family on her side that would would have been there as well. So There would have been no losing for her at all in this situation, no matter if her and her husband had stayed together or they had gotten divorced. But she chose not being grateful, not not knowing what it's like on the other side of things, and appreciating what she had in her home, she chose to murder her husband and she's right where she belongs in prison. It just it really ruff ruffles my feathers a case like this because like I said, like I've said, I know as a as a as a as a I know a lot of married women that would want a partner and a father of their children to be like who her husband was and I know definitely as a single parent, I feel co confident speaking for many other single moms that we would want a husband or even a great co-parenting partner and an ex-husband like who her husband was. she's in prison for life, no parole, never getting out. Her kids don't want anything to do with her. And that is right where she belongs. Alright, next one. The next one, the next case I'm gonna talk about and the next woman or mother who has murdered is Betty Broderick. So this is a case from God, I I I wanna say the late eighties probably. Yeah, late eighties maybe early nine or I think 'cause I know she had two trials. So maybe the first the first trial was like in eighty nine and then this the s the second trial was Maybe early nineties, I did not look up those dates. Like I said, the research part of researching dates and timelines for these crimes are not not my strength. but Brady Broderick is a woman who resided in San Diego, California. and this murder recently made headlines because j on May 8th of this year 2026, sh Brady Broderick died. she fell in prison in her correctional facility and that resulted in broken ribs and subsequent sep septic infections and she ended up passing away a few days later on May eighth. So Brady Broderick was, like I said, a convicted murderer. she lived in San Diego. I think she was in I think in California we only have To my knowledge, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but two women's prisons. in Southern California somewhere, but there's also a women's prison here in the valley where I live in a town called Chalchilla. It's probably like an hour north of In Clovis. and it's I I know that they have a men's facility and a woman's, but I know as far as like this state, the prison in Chowchilla is the bigger of the two women's prisons in California. And that is where Brady Brodricht had been incarcerated since the early nineties. she was found convicted of killing her husband and his new wife And I I did do my research on my notes. I got it here. Never mind. in nineteen eighty nine. So the murder hammered in nineteen eighty nine. She took a firearm and went over to their house, walked up into their bedroom and shot them both dead while they were laying in bed. I don't know if they were awake or not, but she shot them in bed. A big part of Betty Betty Broadwick's motive, for committing the murders were one, he had been having an affair with his secretary you know, women's intuition. She had like a a feeling, an inkling that he was cheating. Turned out that that was correct. they ended up getting divorced and he ends up marrying the secretary. Surprise, surprise. That's like the oldest trick in the book for loser men to cheat on your wife with the secretary and then marry her. whatever, he's been dead for a long time, so I'm just not even gonna go there, but You know, what did we expect? That's just what they do. but she and her husband had a very, very, very bitter divorce. And like I said, I think a lot of her motive behind wanting to murder them was the anger from the divorce, but also a big part of it was because she had so much anger and hostility and couldn't move past him leaving her for his secretary, she ended up getting, Betty Broderick ended up getting losing custody of her children. And she only ended up being awarded visitation during the initial divorce proceedings. I have a feeling that if she hadn't murdered them and had gone to therapy and done some work on herself and and moved past it, I think that eventually that custody order could have probably been changed. but that obviously didn't happen because her husband was dead because she murdered him. Like I said, the first trial resulted in a mistrial. her defense was a scorned ex wife. you know, in the divorce she lost assets, lost money. I think she got to keep maybe their house. They lived in a beautiful area of San Diego. I'm not sure which area. They didn't la I don't think they actually like lived in San Diego. I think it was like one of the towns surrounding San Diego. which is like if you've never been to San Diego, it's gorgeous. It's stunning. It's so expensive. I mean the prop the homes and just just San Diego in general is gorgeous. So there's a mistrial, but then in the second trial she was found guilty. If you are into true crime or this case that I'm talking about, this Breddy Broderick case case intrigues you at all, I implore you to go on YouTube. Court TV has a series, They have a whole series on this case, both trials. But if you wanna find out or just wanna watch something very intriguing about this case and about about this trial, watch Betty Broderick's testimony. I would as I I think both trial her testimony during both trials may be on YouTube, if I'm not mistaken. I know for sure her testimony in the second trial is posted on YouTube. and it's on Court TV. And like if you it's it's just fascinating to watch her discuss her relationship with her ex husband, their marriage, how their marriage fell apart, the divorce. why she was so angry, like all of it. Like all of it is just fascinating to watch. It's really like I don't know, like it's like psych psychologically intriguing to see a woman be and and I and I say that because On the stand, she never showed an ounce of remorse for murdering her husband and his new wife. Not one ounce. She shed sh quote unquote shed those fake like tears that a lot of people like like a lot of like I don't say a lot of murderers, but like like if you watch a lot of court cases, you see people that are like clearly guilty and will try to pretend to cry and like And it's like, Girl, you're not sorry at all. Like she wasn't like she tried to do that but it just didn't it didn't land well. she just never she was not remorseful sh what sh for what she did. She she was she never said it, but just in her body language, her tone of voice, the way she answered questions, like she was not regretful that she I mean, I think she was regretful that that it happened and she would have and she went to prison, but I don't think she was necessarily regretful that like he lost his life and that the new wife was killed as well. Like she did not care. And a and she was she she when she was sentenced, she was sentenced to like life with the possibility of parole. She was able to avoid the death penalty. but she was denied parole I think three times during her incarceration and a lot of those and and from what I've I've seen online, from what I've read, the big reason a lot of the reason why she was denied parole each time was because she was not remorseful. She didn't show any remorse. Even fifteen, twenty, twenty-five years later. Like she never showed remorse for her for committing her crime. So she never was able to be paroled. if she had not died a couple months ago, she would have been eligible eligible for parole, in twenty thirty two. But she was entering her seven I think she was like in her seventies. I mean I don't even know if she hadn't had fallen and hurt herself and got sick when she did pass, who knows if she would have been alive in twenty twenty th twenty thirty two to be able to whoop to be able to be paroled. But Yeah, I mean I think the Brady Broderick case, first of all, the Brady Broderick case has like I said, it's a big case, just like all the other cases we're talking about. there's been a lot there was a lot of media attention, and there have been a lot of miniseries, series made on the Brady Roderick case. The the mini the most recent series that got brought to my attention was I believe it was a FX series or maybe it was Hulu. I'm not really sure what service it was on, but it was a part of the Dear John series, of true crime romance couple you know, reenactment type series. it started Christian Slater as the husband and Amanda Pete started as Brady Broderick and it's really, really, really good. a lot of the information that I know about the case and why it really intrigued me was because of that series that came out a few years ago. It's really, really good. There's also in the early nineties a mini series. I'm not sure. Maybe on YouTube, it maybe excuse me. Maybe somewhere. I can find it, I don't know where, but it was an eighties miniseries starring Meredith Baxter, who I believe Where the backstory I think she was the mom on Family Ties of Michael J. Fox. I don't know. That was before my time. So I but I think that's who sh that's like the no the role she's most known for. But she did do a mini series playing Betty Broderick, which I've heard is very, very good as well. It's very kind of like eighties campy lifetime movie is movie like. So if you want to check those out, check those out. If you want to know like more about the case and kind of break that really gets into like the details and nitty gritty of of of the relationship and the marriage and and the murder and all of that. but why I think that this case is ki relevant to motherhood and single motherhood in general is because I think that f from what I gather from the shows that I've watched and things I've seen about this case. the she and her husband, I think his name is John. John Broderick? Don't quote me on that. I don't even know his name 'cause I didn't honestly like care th that much to find out. But they met when they were young and in college, and he was an attorney and a very successful attorney. And she I believe she went to college and graduated, but then they got married, and she paused her entire life to marry him, support him while he was in law school, support him while he was starting his own practice, have children, be that stay-at-home mom, and completely make her whole entire life. existence about being a mom and a wife, being his wife and being a prominent attorney's wife and then she got dumped. And she was angry and like rightfully so. I mean, I would be enraged. But I think, you know, she didn't want to lose her marriage. She didn't want to lose the home and the lifestyle and the money and access to everything that she had, being being Mrs. Betty Broderick. she didn't want to be a single parent. She didn't want to be away from her kids half the time. She didn't want to have to work and get a job and struggle. And I think she was embarrassed more than anything that her husband left her for a younger man and that she was gonna have to start over. She had put in so much so many years investing in him and she was being dumped. She was being left. And that, yeah, that's like extremely hurtful. Yeah, that that I can imagine that's extremely painful, very awful, very unfair. But that is why I think it's really important that women don't alienate still d still having a life of their own, still having their own finances, still having a job and things outside of the home. Because if the marriage ends up collapsing, you're not left feeling absolutely destitute. Not feeling like you have no worth, feeling like you have nothing good going for you, feeling like you're just losing your entire life. I think like I said in the previous case with Cory Richards, like if you have a great supportive partner who is financially, is a true parenting partner and and it's financially contributing and all of that, that's great and that's great and that's necessary and that can help you feel comfortable but I don't think that you need to put all your eggs in one basket and think that and and let Like I just I just think it's good to s to maintain something that's yours. To have an income stream of your own and a life of your own outside of what may be going on at home. and I think that maybe if Brady Broderick had had that and she had not stopped everything she wanted to do with herself to be his wife and and just be that f twenty-four-seven stay-at-home mom. I think that maybe divorce and being left may have landed a little bit smoother Not that it wouldn't have been painful, not that it wouldn't have hurt, not that she wouldn't have been embarrassed, but she would have she would have had something to fall back on, something to keep her occupied when she's not with her children, and something to just kind of sort of help ease the pain of everything. And she didn't have that. And I think it led to her committing the crime her children did forgive her for murdering their dad. there's an episode also on YouTube. There's an episode, an old op episode of Oprah Winfrey a lot younger than me, like they maybe don't know that Oprah used to have a talk show that aired every single day. It came on at four o'clock where I lived and I'd watch it every day after school. She used to have a daily talk show. and it was amazing. And Breddy Broderick's children went on and did an episode of that show and talked about what happened with their parents and their divorce and the marriage and the murder and the trial and the case. And it's such a good episode to watch. if you're ever bored, there are a ton of old and I say old, I mean like 80s, early 90s episodes of Oprah Winfrey on YouTube that you watch the fascinating some of them are still so relevant and pertinent to today in 2026 and then some of them are not and it's fascinating to see like how culture and life has shifted but it's also fascinating to see certain topics and how they're still relevant in a world you know 35 years later or whatever so watch that episode it's very it's very that episode with brandy broderick's children is really really good and they talk about how they've forgiven her and how they visit her in prison often and is a really interesting episode to watch. Alright the next case is a case that is going on right now. opening arguments or opening statements and whatnot will start on this upcoming Monday, so on the twenty-seventh of July. And that's the case of Lindsay Clancy out of Massachusetts. So Lindsay Clancy was a mother is a mother of three. She lives in Ducksbury, Massachusetts, and she worked, ironically, she worked as a labor and delivery nurse. Lindsay Clancy is accused by Plymouth County District Attorney's Office of killing her three young children by strangulation. Cora, who was five years old, Dawson, who was three, and an eight month old boy named Callan. I've seen pictures of the children, they were so precious. Her defense is that she was suffering from severe postpartum psychosis and she had had previous hospitalizations, psychiatric hospitalizations. She was seeing a a psychiatrist and medical professionals who had prescribed her medications. to help treat her postpartum and unfortunately it didn't look like her medication or any treatment that she had worked and she ended up killing her three children by strangulation with exercise bands. Then after she killed her children, she cut her own wrists and jumped out of a two-story jumped out of the second story of her home. and as a result of the jump from her home, she is now permanently paralyzed from the waist down. so Office charged her with three counts of first degree murder. So the children and Lindsay were found by her husband. She had just a few days prior, been released from a psychiatric hospital and was home and he went out for an hour to run errands and to pick up takeout from a restaurant for dinner and during the time that he was out of the home is when she committed the murders and when she tried to us unalive herself. And then when he came home he initially found her on the ground outside and then when he went inside he then found the ch three children dead. in the home. Her defense is gonna be severe postpartum psychosis, like I said. If you want kind of the standard, I I'm sure any mother that is listening to this is aware of what postpartum depression is and has knowledge on what postpartum psychosis is. But kind of the Webster dictionary version of postpartum psychosis is a rare but serious mental health condition that can occur after child childbirth that may involve hallucinations, delusions, and a break from reality. And it definitely seems like she was suffering from pipe postpartum. partum psychosis. I think with this case, I mean that will be her defense and I definitely think it's a valid defense. Her defense will also be that her health care providers over medicated her, didn't listen to her to her what she was saying, every time she was a hospitalized in a psych facilities. they I guess kind of if you want to put it in layman's terms, they didn't take her serious enough. and the cocktail, I guess quote unquote, of medications that she was on, drove her brain To a place of psychosis, severe psychosis, to the point where she can murder her children and strangle them. like I said, I agree that she had postpartum psychosis, and I think that it is a valid defense in a case like this, but I also feel like when I read when I watch a lot of content on this case and I read comments about like the case and and the details, I feel like a lot of people are overlooking the fact that three young children were strangled to death by their mother with exercise bands that she had lying around the house. Like I know even if she's found not guilty she's not gonna be found not guilty, but even if she's found guilty by reason of insanity or whatever She's not just gonna walk free. She's gonna be like that like Andrea Yates that case out of Texas from like nineteen ninety eight. You know, she she is now, you know, in like a psych hospital. She has been there since she was found, She's been there since she was found incompetent, and she'll be incarcerated for the rest of her life. So it's not like she's gonna walk free, but it's like There's a reason that she was charged with first degree murder. And according to the prosecutor in this case, they see some premeditation in her actions in terms of the killings. And I would honestly have to kind of agree with the charges. I think that from my knowledge, from what I've s what I've heard, Prior to actually executing the murders, she looked up ways to strangle somebody. She Googled it. Google searched it. I mean you can say she did that because she's in par postpartum psychosis, but also like picking up your phone and then Googling how to kill your children, how to strangle them. I don't know. It's just It it's it seemed a little intentional and I guess it was intentional because she was in psychosis and she not necessarily present in in a a normal state of mind, but I don't know i We'll see in the trial like all of the evidence that comes out. But just but just hearing that she Googled how to strangle somebody and used exercise bands that she had in the house. Like like exercise bands are not just sitting out. You have to go like in the closet or in the garage and go get them and go to mur to to to hurt somebody with them. Like you like when you look at the Andrea Yates case, she was like giving her children baths, I believe, and then drowned them. Which is still of course awful, but she was like doing an everyday thing that like you do as a mom, bathing your children. And then she had a moment and drowned them. Like like she didn't intentionally seek out ways to kill them. Like Just it's just I don't know. There's that and then there's her husband leaving and her her doing the murders while he was gone. She was the one that told him or asked him to leave and go pick up takeout from a restaurant. And shortly after the children are dead and she murders them. from what I understand When she was released from her most recent hospital psychiatric hospital stay They told her family, her husband, and I'm assuming mentioned it to her, whether or not she processed it is is another thing, but they told her to not they everybody was aware not to leave her alone with those children. So why they thought that it was okay why her husband thought that it was okay to go get takeout? The doctors told her not to be left alone.

Veronica Take 2: So so why she was left alone, To go get to go w so that he could go pick up dinner when it could have easily been delivered or they all could have went together. Like that part I don't understand. I don't understand why that happened. but you know, her husband and I'm sure there's a lot a lot more evidence, that will come out in the trial on as to why the prosecutors think she did it intentionally or why they charged her with first degree murder. like I said, I'm fifty fifty. I I feel like I feel like yeah, she had postpartum psychosis, but And yeah, maybe she was over medicated. Okay. Obviously those s psychotropic medications are nothing to play around with, especially when it comes to postpartum. But I just don't there's certain things that I just feel like she was aware of or cognizant of or like I just don't like like taking exercise like it like I've said taking exercise bands, strangling your children So sh and she had three children. So one of those children, regardless of how how old they were, even if it was the eight month old, watched both of their siblings get strangled to death and then went on and strangled that last child as well. And I heard somewhere the eight month old was was the only one child to initially survive. That child was like, you know, an ICU for a few days and then passed away. But that eight month old was the child that she like strangled the most or something. I d I I don't know. I d I I I to it's it's it's awful. It's awful. I just like I just don't know what to think. I don't know. It's just it'll be interesting. I I d I mean, there's gonna be no like like she'll be found guilty and she'll go to prison or she'll be found guilty by not guilty by reason of insanity and spend probably the rest of her life in a psychiatric hospital. There's it it's not like there's like somebody's gonna win, somebody's gonna lose kinda thing. But I just I don't know. I don't know what to think. It's just a very sad case. Her husband, will testify in the trial. Or I don't think they're still her they're married still, 'cause he's actually which is a whole other thing. I mean this happened in I think twenty twenty two, twenty I remember twenty three, twenty twenty two, twenty three. So it has been a while, so he's definitely entitled to move on with his life. He he doesn't have necessarily have an obligation to stay married to her and and whatnot. We know how men are, they're gonna move on very quickly and he has because he has since moved to New York City. He lives in a nice mid city Manhattan apartment. So that's not cheap. and he has married is now married to someone else. And like I said, good for him. I he he is sticking by her in terms of like testifying for her and vouching for the defense and h he and their families are also suing have a an active lawsuit against the healthcare providers that she saw prior to the murders, stating that they misdiagnosed her and they over medicated her and that led to the psychosis and the murders. 'cause a apparently she was prescribed nine medications in the months prior to the killings, including eight of those medications within the three week period just prior to the murders. So that is a lot. That yeah, that's a lot. That's too much. I don't quite understand why a medical provider would provide any medications to treat psychotic mental illness. Like that many seems crazy like I I don't know. That that's a lot. I mean I think it's worthy. I think it's I think they're justified in filing a lawsuit. I just I don't know. I just I just can't sit and think this is all postpartum psychosis when some of her actions just don't to me some of the things that I've heard don't represent that. I don't know. so yeah, that's that. there's a very, very good article in the New Yorker, the New Yorker magazine, with with her husband an interview with her husband. and there's a a quote that he said in that article. I will link the article in the show notes, but in the article he says I wasn't married to a monster. I was married to somebody who got sick. And she did get sick. I mean nobody wants to murder their children, their three children. Everybody has said she was a great mom. She was a great nurse. She was a great wife. She's a great person. I I I don't think that that I don't know. I it's like I don't think that she necessarily did it intentionally, but I also Think there's some level of culpability here. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. She's currently under 24 7 medical supervision supervision at Tuck Sperry State Hospital. So she's not out of prison now. She's probably never getting out. and it's just a very sad case. So we'll see what what happens there. But I think why I think that this is super relevant is because so many women like and this isn't even a single mom thing, but they want that life. They want the three, four kids and the house and the husband and and getting that is wonderful. But I think if it's gonna come at a cost of your mental health, I can't remember if she had been experiencing some sort of postpartum blues, depression, starting with her first pregnancy with her oldest child. Her oldest was five years old. I think I read or heard somewhere that she had had some sort of minor struggles with postpartum with her first and then she had her third a couple of years later and then the youngest at eight months. so she like like yeah, she sh she had some postpartum struggles And I just think that if you're starting there's there's so many women that I hear this happen, they end up having three or four kids. They have four kids back to back, three kids back to back. And it's your prerogative, it's your life, it's your body, it's your family, do what you want. But I just think like Not every woman can do that and that's okay. You don't have to have the perfect family with two boys and two girls and the perfect you know, you don't have to have that. If all that your mental health can handle is one child, then just have one child and live your life. Like we you don't have to have keep having children because it's what your mom and your mother in law want or it's because you want to have this picture perfect white picket fence type family image. if you can't do it mentally and you're struggling after one, like really struggling, maybe you have another and you're you're struggling again, do not keep having children. Because like this is like what what could possibly happen? It's not worth it. Like I I just think like w women really s like you need to get in touch with with with like reality. Like not all of us can do it. Not all of us can have four or five kids, have three or four pregnancies back to back and still keep it together. Pregnancy is a lot on your body. It's it's a lot on your like your hormone, you like your fit how your physically how your body processes it and deals with it is a lot, how your your hormones deal with all the change and the fluctuation is a lot, how your mental health deals with having multiple children and multiple pregnancies is a lot everybody's body is different and some women we can't do it. Don't put yourself into a place where you're trying you're having all these kids and you're trying to have that life and you end up getting sick. It's okay to have one child. If your husband wants more children, adopt. Or use surrogates if you can afford it. Or if if he wants more kids and you don't want more kids and he's pissed, let him leave and live your life with that one child and move on it is not worth it, Like this is what I feel like happened here. Like, you know, maybe she shouldn't have kept having children and she did and it and it screwed her into health. It's not worth it. Not worth it. One child is enough if that's all that you can do. So it will be interesting to see what happens in this case and what she ends up if she ends up being convicted of first degree murder or if it's not guilty by reason of insanity. I will definitely be watching on Monday watching this trial and seeing what happens. Okay, the last mom, the last case I was gonna speak on this woman and this person and kind of talk about it in more detail, but I think because of how How popular she is, and a lot of things are coming up in the media about her and her parenting recently because one of her children is writing a book about her. I'm gonna do my I'm gonna do like a episode on this person alone and their family and their life, and that person is Kate Gosling. I and I could I'll still say this to this say and I'll stand tin toes down on it, even though we found out some things that are not so great. I am obsessed with Kate Gosling. Back in the day when they had their show, John and Kate plus Eight, I was obsessed. I was one of those crazies. She released a book. It was a memoir type book. It was the first book she released. I don't or maybe the only book. I don't know if she's released subsequent since. But it was when her and John were still together and It was a book about I think like her pr I don't even remember what the book was about. I it's so long ago and I wouldn't even know where that book is. It's probably some probably donated it to Goodwill or something, but I bought that book the first day it was released. I was so excited to read it. I faithfully, religiously watched John and Kate plus Eight. I loved them. I loved that show. that was in probably like my early twenties before I had kids where I thought like, being married married and having kids is like it's the best it's like it's like a picket white fin situation and and the kids are so cute and you're a mom and you're getting the kids dressed and you're taking to the store and like it looks you know, we all kind of have this idea of what we think motherhood is. until we know the reality of it, I thought that they were just the cutest family and I was so obsessed with that show. I'd watch it every week. I loved little c little Colin Colin Gosslin, who is one of the sex toplets, that she had that her and John had. he's a grown up now. He's like eighteen, nineteen. I or I don't know. It's it's it's unbelievable to me that these kids are like adults now. Like all of them. The older twin girls and then all the sex top sex toplets, they're all like eighteen, nineteen years old. I mean it's wild to me. I used to religiously watch the show and be obsessed with those children and like I said, Colin Gosson is releasing a book about his mother, about her parenting, about being put in like a mental health hospital. I honestly don't know the details. I've I briefly watched an interview that he did for this you t with this YouTuber and it broke my heart thinking what he's been through and then it broke my heart thinking that she was actually an awful mom because Colin was my favorite. You always like you know when you watch it like I've watched little clips back now and like yeah she was kind of like very unnecessarily harsh and kind of mean to Colin. You just didn't catch it then. But being a mom now and then just seeing things from a different lens with what we know now, it's like she was kinda not that great to him. But he was just to me, Colin was the cutest. He was so cute. Second to Joel with his little glasses. my god. So the the all of their kids were so cute. my god. But I loved Colin and I loved Joel. I think I think those two little wars are what made me want to be a boy mom. Like I have to be have a boy when I have children. Because these kids, these little wars, they were so cute. I and Colin just always had Like he was just adorable and he had a little a spunk about him and I sound like a weirdo talking about children like they're when they were toddlers. Like I was obsessed. I was obsessed. And but I'm gonna do my own like I said, I'm gonna do a separate episode on Kate Gosson because she is actually a single mom. Her and John got divorced. She never remarried, to my knowledge. there's some stuff out there that Colin puts in the book about her having an affair with one of their producers or the sound guy or something, somebody that was working on their show and that allegedly she's in she's engaged to h that same guy now and gonna marry him. I I don't I I've gotta read the book. I've gotta read the book. and I need to find out more details and I will do a separate episode on her and the family. But I I'm telling you you guys, I was obsessed with that show. Obsessed. Like I think a lot of people were. Maybe I'm not so weird because a lot of people were very obsessed with Kate Gosselin and and John and Kate plus eight. and like I said, she is a single mom. I know she's once the reality s show fame fell off, she had to go back to work, she renewed her nursing license and she works she still works as of an active nurse to this day 'cause she's gotta pay the bills and I remember she went on dancing with the stars. I remember she had like a once they divorced she ended up getting her own show, Kate Plus Eight. And she also had like on TLC like a show where she went on dates. It was only one season. She went on dates with different guys. I d it's just I could I could go on and on. I'm going on but I will be talking about Kate Gosling and the the kids, the sex toplets and John John Gosling is do you guys remember when he was a DJ for a while? Like post divorce, he like was a DJ. I just I remember seeing it like on Facebook like back in like two thousand ten. He was like DJing at clubs. It's just the whole it's all it's all fascinating. It's yeah. W I'll have to look into that, write my notes, and I'll do a whole episode on Kate Gosling. all right, okay, I think I'll wrap up there. Let me know what you guys thought. I you know, I really I just I th you know, I thought this would be a good idea for an episode and I hope it wasn't too choppy. I hope it all made sense. I hope you guys liked it. If you have any feedback on this episode and and and how I did or any advice or anything you wanna throw my way, let me know. I'm always open to constructive feedback if you're gonna be nice and respectful. and I will wrap it up there. So thank you so much. Bye.